Are LMG Employees Free on Social Media?
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LMG employees are not restricted. They are actually allowed to choose between 3 different haircuts.
Pinnacle of freedom
Haven't seen people choosing the bald one more
@@eastvern5147 Anthony's just in denial. Give him time
@@ConnorHammond ye probably
I'll have number 3, the Dennis special
I love when the WAN show turns into a meeting with shareholders, at least that's what it feels like and it's interesting to see
But... There are no shareholders. Well, except Linus, that is.
why don’t they go public... like why not??? even a crypto token they could have 🤪
I would buy in. It's moments like this that show the true depth of knowledge, wisdom and genius behind Linus.
@@Tech2188 Ironically he's genius enough to not go public.
@Gabby facts
its sometimes super easy to forget that luke and linus are super old blood in this industry. i think its because they still set the pace for it after all these years
yeah, they still haven't settled into a neat space but still growing and expanding
@Gabby facts dude, facts
@Gabby i believe that was one of sam walton's big strategies as well.
Well...I mean... there's a reason they've been around this long compared to those that where around when they where new.
I think its more that they look like mid twenty
This is how true adults talk. Respect, truthful, and straightforward but not intimidating.
alot of people could learn with Linus beyond the technologic stuff
Not intimidating? So it’s just me that seen him speak to the commenter/viewer like he was a pos on his shoe and not worthy of employment for even having the gall to mention non competes are unenforceable? Linus also has a lot left still to learn. This video has made me completely clear unsubscribe where as if he just hadn’t mentioned the topic I’d still be subbed.
Intimidation is perception. One can't just decide to be intimidating. And most people thing adult talk is intimidating.
@@shaolinrasta2289 if you truly believe that then I don’t even know how to start or have this conversation with you. One can choose to be intimidating, whether the other person takes it as intimidation does not void the fact you have deliberately tried to intimidate someone.
Adult talk is hard as evidenced by the fact Linus becomes a complete child and throws a tantrum of I’m right you’re wrong and making a character judgement/assassination over a perfectly valid comment because he has no actual comeback to it.
@@NawWeeMan May I ask what you disagree with in Linus' statement? We may have different definitions of what we consider intimidation. It appears that Linus' is speaking with a tone of authority on a matter he is well versed in and attempting to instill some of his own knowledge into the viewer to help him. It is also important to listen closely to the nuance of his statements, he is specifically talking from the perspective of a "small business" owner vs a corporation such as Walmart where they will treat you like a number instead of a person.
He also acknowledges that it "may not always be the case", but from his job experience and experience with his employees that if you are looking for ways around an employment contract then that is a instant disqualification from being hired in his eyes. In my opinion I agree with Linus' as that feels extremely disrespectful, and shows a lack of loyalty to the company. Once again this is for "non-mega corporations" (ie. Walmart, McDonalds etc)
I have to give it up to Linus on this one. Linus is one of too few whom are open, honest and transparent in how they operate.
That's one thing that sets Linus apart from the others.
I at one point thought linus had the main goals of improving consumer choice and understanding in tech, and expanding that premise he used to collaborate constantly and recommend other tech channels in his videos, he wanted the community to grow as a whole!(Why doesn't he do this?)
now its about the company and its growth. do you know what happens to company's that consider their numbers before anything else? they go public and they never go back.
the fact that linus's response to for example anthony wanting his own tech channel would be one of fear that he may loose something, tells me that the goal has changed.
i can only hope linus sees this and reevaluates his choice. it scares me even more to see people normalizing these ideas in these comments just because there industry standards and happen all the time, YES! controlling employees outside of their work is normal. NO! it should not be and future employers should avoid this practice.
well theirs my attempt at mitigating damage.^^^ i just hope someone reads this and it matters to them, more than it matters to linus.
@@Shishou_Shi 1:yes
2:i feel like there's been far less of it
3: OOhhh! that's a fair point i hadn't thought of.
If a murderer is open and honest and transparent about how they operate, would you have to give it up to that murderer too? Sure it's a gross exaggeration I make, but simply being honest about your control freak tendencies isn't admirable. It's still exploitation.
@@nullvoid3545 They constantly collaborate and call out other channels... They mention Steve almost every time they see a bad computer case lol. You call out "these ideas" but I don't think you understand what they are and you certainly didn't articulate what your issue is.
Those guys in the comments are 100% wankers irl
13:22 the look from Luke when he sees the bird fly by. lol
🤣🤣🤣 I'm to stoned for that shit
15:53
We're not aiming for the truck
I have made this same face so often while streaming/making videos, all because my bird wanted to ruin a shot lmaooo
You guys gotta understand that Linus Media Group is literally the direct consequence of NCIX not protecting themselves from Linus the way Linus protects LMG. NCIX had Linus on camera, and Linus eventually became so popular that when he left NCIX and started his own channel, he took all of NCIX's audience with him.
NCIX were small time version _Curry’s PC World_ so no, an incorrect analogy.
@@fwd79 by the same token, linus as well used to be on the same level at one point. He became what he is thanks to their support, small, yet crucial.
I'm not sure if you are aware of this or around the time but NCIX was a computer parts seller. I used to shop quite frequently at the Viking road location in Van. NCIX wasn't in the TH-cam market beyond showcasing some new products. Maybe as promotion and supply gains.
I had the chance to talk to Linus back when he worked for them and wasn't a big deal. Nice guy. But found Greg to be a lot nicer and easier to deal with imo.
The fact that NCIX was a hardware retailer and LMG is a media company seems to make this argument moot imo.
@Ethan Cranford but LMG wasn't always a media group. LTT was a side channel for product reviews, exactly what NCIX did on TH-cam. After Linus left is when it became a media group and less of a product pusher. So no his point isn't moot as LTT basically was what NCIX was back then. NCIX let LTT become NCIX but better, and that's exactly what Linus is trying to keep from happening.
I appreciate this free-wheeling approach for sure. My favourite example, Taran talks about macros and Premiere Pro on LMG videos, but on his own channel he does those 4 hour editing tutorials, which in no way would have been a good fit for the main channel
gold! more of this and less of what i just watched!
Ultimately, LMG is a company in a very volatile industry, its reasonable that linus needs to protect his business and, he needs to protect his employees livelihoods. No matter what he's going to be hated for it by the community. If his employees hated him, they'd walk with their feet and the quality of the content would fail.
I’ve seen a number of channels fall apart because they want to be buddies and play fast and loose like they were before it became a business. I had a dealer who would always count the money with me, even though we got along really well, because “settled accounts make for good friends.”
It’s generally hard to handle relationships when they’re both personal and professional. It can produce great results, but without setting clear boundaries and restricting problematic actions, it just isn’t sustainable.
I mean, I don't see the community hating Linus. Maye just a reality check for a few people that LMG is a company, and like a company, it needs to protect its investments.
It's still a business controlling your life and ability to feed a family or save money doing a side gig in your own time. Businesses need to be federally limited in what they can control on someone's own time. "Small business" or not, are we really okay in a multimillion dollar company controlling what you can and can't do to make money after hours? It's fundamentally a question for what you're okay with. Can a Best Buy say you can't work at a Staples to make more money? Sure, you're selling those protection plans like crazy at work. After all, if it weren't for Best Buy you wouldn't be making that sweet cash for them. Business owners are great at selling control. By the end of it you just end up nodding your head so you don't get fired.
@@tytyterrell But where do you draw the line when social media is part of it? Just putting the fact that you work at LMG in your bio would guarantee you traction on any platform that you could easily monetize, making money off of Linus' name. If you are content creator and so desperately want to work on your own stuff then maybe you should do just that? You can't blame Linus for not wanting to train his own competitors can you?
@@100mexk it's a slippery slope when trying to quantify "well you're only popular because of my business". That's just a shitty attitude and way to keep more money and food out of someone's family's mouth. Where do you draw that line? Where is it okay to say no side gig for you... But you and below this metric can? What's the metric we're measuring with? Fame? Is that based on Twitter or social media followers? Should Linus have been allowed to leave NCIX and start his own tech channel? Some companies have contacts that have no compete clauses for YEARS after employment. Work sales at Pepsi? Can't work or create a competitor for X amount of years ( yes I know a guy that did this and got sued) so where do we say it's okay for employers to have control over your family after hours and when are the examples that they cannot? I think it's slippery and gross and shouldn't be allowed at all. If they had cleaning crew employees can they not film tech videos in their off time? It's stupid.
As a massive wrestling fan, WWE’s move to ban third party income for their talent is horrific. Their performers are not protected by a union, they are “independent contractors” which means they have to pay for all travel expenses and it limits their income unless WWE can see a way to make a profit from it.
This is a 1000% right
union isnt always the best solution. lot of times its just different people fucking you over. i was in one, i know from experience. fact is, if its a shitty deal, dont take it. they signed that they agreed to the terms, thats on them.
If they get injured, there's no paid leave or any health benefits. They're royally fucked. Plus they can't just give 2 weeks notice, they then can't perform for a year for anyone else (no income), and also some people can't even use their real names as their ring name, because despite all of the independent contractor bullshit, WWE owns EVERYthing from the wrestlers, even their gimmicks.
Same direction the MMA scene is going with fixed rates per fight and disallowing personal sponsors.
@@bradhaines3142 That's true. Don't like it, don't work for them. But also that doesn't make it any better or ethical. They can't have it both ways. Be independent contractors, get zero benefits, but also get such restrictions as if they signed for 10 years of indentured servitude.
I gotta say the various streaming endeavours of the ltt staff have gotten me much more involved in the community. So me going from sometimes watching ltt to watching madison and nolan on twitch and also watching pretty much everything lmg puts out is a net positive for lmg, so it kind of works both ways.
But it works more in favour of the streamers in my opinion because LTT videos definitely divert a significant amount of attention towards their character.
Not necessarily, if employees leave after getting an audience from lmg cause they can make more money off twitch it wouldn't be beneficial. That's basically the issue. I'm sure linus has no personal hate for his employees making more money.
@@hop-skip-ouch8798 yes but that doesn't hurt lmg so there's really no damage here
@@hop-skip-ouch8798 Ok but who cares at the end of the day they arent competing with LTT because LTT dont make twitch or gaming focused content
@@ryanborg4099 True, although he said that that hasn't been an issue so far.
I connect with linus as a supervisor. I like to hang out and have fun with the crew, but when there's an issue I have to switch from friend mode to supervisor mode because I'm required to aknowledge the situation and handle it while trying to not make the situation awkward. My philosophy is that if your team is happy they work harder which in turn gets more work done, makes our numbers look better, and avoids making our job a place we hate.
I have a feeling this is about Madson
What happened
maybe it's about anthony
@@jeffhardyrockthehous anthony and ASMR build xd
At the same time it doesnt seem like it because she doesnt post tech stuff, just gaming and art and singing apparently
it could be about madison, and also anthony who posted about LGBT community recently.
The bird flying across the camera killed me 😂
Timestamp?
@@Stavex112 around 13:00
@@Stavex112 15:53 for the better one.
im a mechanic, almost every company i have worked for allowed side work or moonlighting. the only rule is to not pull their customers away from them. i now work for a rental company and work on our customers owned equipment on the side all the time because my company wont work on customers equipment. these companies invest alot of money in their mechanics so they can do the repairs better fully knowing that most of these mechanics will leave for a higher paying position or to start their own company.
I work for r&d at a major auto manufacturer and I'm not even allowed to say on social media that I work for them and I'm not even allowed to tell many people what I do for a living which is funny bc I do not handle any trade secrets or anything of the sorts but they just have these rules in everyone's contracts even if you are like a custodian or something it's just how it works for me tho it is worth it bc they pay me well enough and all the other benefits make it worth it to me... In the end of the day if I wasn't okay with it and I didn't love my job I wouldn't stay there
Are you in US? Hopefully that's not even legal in most of developed countries.
@@Derlaft yes in the us I do not mind as the benefits far outweigh the slight inconvenience of the small things they ask of me
@@Derlaft yes in the us I do not mind as the benefits far outweigh the slight inconvenience of the small things they ask of me
@@Kurtyburt "no healthcare" or "no worker protection laws" does not sounds like small things to me.
@@Derlaft we actually have both of those things in the US. We don't have national healthcare but any business worth working at packages healthcare into your benefits and as far as my company goes it's really good. We also have worker protection laws, I know this because they're required to be posted in the breakroom.
I find it amazing how much insight linus has and how truly professional he is. Truly made for this gig
It's almost like he's been doing this for a decade plus and there's a reason all of the channels he runs are highly successful.
A restaurants protected IP is very separate from the skills and work of their employees. If a restaurant employee wants to run their own restaurant at the same time... That is perfectly fine, as long as they are not directly stealing IP from their employer.
i mean taran uploads his entire workflow on his personal youtube so they aren't THAT on lockdown
I don't think workflow videos is considered as proprietary or sensitive information. And the video is so long not everyone will actually watch it from end to end.
He's occupying a different "space," though. LMG's channels don't deal with workflow, so there's no overlap.
@@muzallisam5068 yeah it’s like if an employee was going to review video games. They play games on the channel but don’t review them so it’s fine
@@muzallisam5068 while not always sensitive, workflow is as proprietary of a knowledge as it gets.
if it's developed in-house and it costs the company money and time to develop and adjust to work with existing tools and other departments' workflow, it's proprietary knowledge.
@@dwirandypradhika6752 Well, it's Taran's workflow, the self proclaimed macro king. I think his workflow is different from the rest of his team.
Some people don't understand that the best way to handle work relationships is to do like any other business agreement, both need to be happy, otherwise it won't work. Doesn't matter if it is in the law or follows some ideology, if one side is unhappy it won't work. It might work on the short term, but on the long term it won't.
yep. I think a lot of people have never experienced that kind of relationship, where it's win-win for the employer and employee. Where they're satisfied with their pay and treatment, and the employer is happy with their work.
People who have only worked to basically not starve, in jobs they don't like, see everything through these adversarial lenses. They're the ones posting on Reddit every week with stuff like "LPT never go the extra mile or stay late or do anything for your job ever because they don't give a fuck about you".
They don't see the difference between a small business and a major corporation, everything is Global Mega Evilcorp to them.
@@creedolala6918 I try not to see stuff that way, but as someone who has still only worked at companies that are basically Global Mega Evilcorp to not starve... yeah. That's kind of the perspective until you get a better opportunity. Which I'm working towards btw just not yet.
@@creedolala6918 Honestly, it all depends on your job and kind of exposure it gives you. If you are working for a corpo, you can still go an extra mile to gain exp in order to switch to a more desirable job. In that case, going extra in your job or doing something in II if your goal and job are not aligned will be worth it. Putting ideological lense on everything is unproductive. But regardless, it is true that corpos don't give two fucks about you and might not recognise your extra effort. You must proceed with that reality in mind
treat employees like adults and with respect you usually get it in return.
The Rivian factory is 20 miles from me here in Illinois. The benefits, pay, and PTO at Rivian is WAY better than Tesla. Some can call it poaching, but it is a no brainer for talented engineers and laborers to leave the anti union Tesla company.
Yeah, it's not poaching, it's called the free market.
Musk wants any excuse for a court case
@@kylenetherwood8734 It's not an "excuse" if the workers signed a contract. They made a choice.
The lawsuit against Rivian isn't about stealing employees or anything like that it's about IP being stolen through employees and it is absolutely enforceable and winnable.
@@yourpreston1 don't know why you're bothering to tell some who is pro unionization how the law works. There's no point.
Look at the latest extreme tech upgrade for David, his Twitch channel is all over that video
I just love linus for pointing out these issues that hes going througout his business, like him thinking about every single person, even those who are behind, rather than those liked on camera, and for many people, especially i noticed after linus mentioned that on some previous wanshow that employees cant post tech vids on youtube, it kinda meant like its a restriction? Really good video on clarifying it. Also, good luck on solving your company issues in a very frriendly manner, because thats what keeps people working good and wanting them do what they are doing.
Isn't this how Linus and Luke started, Side Gig using the reach of the company Linus worked for, the skills he learned, the access he had and turned it into what they are now. But i'm all for the success they have created for themselves through hard work, but I'm surprised he didn't mention the past.
Bingo, all other arguments aside, this exactly what happened. I don't think LMG has a ton of discourse in its ranks so they are probably safe, but this is what essentially they are trying to prevent. Non competes, with the right lawyer will gladly slice through the "I made you who you are" clause, the "trade secrets" clause and insert "any random McGuffin" clause, because its hard to narrow down if it was out of hard work they gained a following, or if association with a company gained them following. Sure the company benefited them in gaining some following, but it was only advantageous to them, it isn't what "made them".
Except what happened with Linus is that he started as an ncix youtube channel, for the company, and later bought out the equipment and the rights to the channel.
apparently he had to sign a non compete clause on leaving, although I don't know whether he honored it
I love how Luke is trying to stay professional, but I think he actually just laughed super hard ALSO because his bird was just flying around everywhere.
IGN lost almost all of their stronger voices as soon as they allowed their employees to have a second platform. As soon as they turned that tap on they haven't been able to turn it off again.
Yeah, same with Rooster Teeth. It's an industry where a pre-existing following more or less guarantees you a jumpstart, so you can do it on your own, even if hiring a couple freelance editors, designers, etc. I'm not surprised so many of them go independent, and also not surprised that Linus is safeguarding against that.
@@DiogoExMarques That how Linus started....
RKG being a good example of that as well.
@@koenignero Linus didn’t start as a webstore
@@koenignero not really since ncix was a retail business that involved computers their main business wasn't youtube or video content. Ncix's youtube channel was built mainly by linus and was his idea so it's a bit different.
I also never felt like LTT is just THE LINUS show. I particularly enjoy videos starring Riley, Alex and Anthony. And I love when Brandon chimes in. Since I started watching a couple of years back it always felt like a team, which I always appreciated.
Seeing Linus and Luke laugh feels so wholesome for some reason 😅
hahaha i love you boss even though you stunt my growth as a content creator even though that's the same way you got your start in the business so im forced to stay loyal to you forever hahahaha
@@Nyarlathotep637 so you think luke should be able to plug his twitch streams?
@@Cargo_Bay sure why the hell not
Most kitchen staff, bar staff, servers all work at multiple restaurants and moonlight - just to make it work and pay rent.
It's perfectly reasonable to protect LMG as a brand and it's employees as the assets that they are, but I don't think LMG could ever STOP an employee from streaming on Twitch (for example) in their own time with their own equipment. Promoting on LTT, absolutely fine not to allow, but actually stopping it would imo not be okay.
But like he said they would be using the exposure gained from being at LMG for financial gain through twitch which muddies it up a bit. effectively, a phrase Linus skillfully avoided this whole video, LMG "made" their online presence and without them they would have to work alot harder for an audience.
The point of a "non-compete" agreement is that they don't compete. That's why Linus doesn't care about twitch, but what he wouldn't allow is for an employee to make content that could otherwise appear on an LMG channel. Like if Alex started a TH-cam channel where he did janky water cooling of weird things, he would probably blow up just because tons of people follow his twitter/instagram/whatever because of his job at LMG. If he felt like he had enough following he could then quit his job at LMG and continue with his own channel, which wouldn't be nearly as popular if he hadn't worked at LMG.
That's the kind of thing Linus is trying to prevent, especially from new people coming in, gaining skills and an audience, and then quitting to make their own version of LTT.
And of course the enforcement at some point would come down to "stop or you're fired". I doubt Linus would bother suing anyone like Tesla is doing.
and they did not stop employee from streaming on twitch
think you kinda missed the point. If LMG was twitch channel, yea, you re not streaming independently.
They can stop you from being an employee, though.
I love Luke and Linus' relationship. Only true friends can laugh about frank and hard conversations
honestly, if its purely a personal thing, something you do in your free time and it's not supported or promoted by a company, the company should have absolutely no say in what the employee does
In my previous work I saw it time and again, no sooner a fellow college goes into management they go from treating me as an equal to treating me like a tool. And because of that I reject all places of positions because I wasn’t interested in becoming like that.
Amazing for a company so big and so much reach, although with not that many employees, to be so open nowadays. I have a lot of respect for LMG (and of course Linus) for being so open and encouraging to their employees, especially being a media group such as this one with a focus on social media. I hope you can be an inspiration to other companies/ corporations.
What an interesting conversation.
How do you feel that I replied to your comment?
If Madison's has anyone to thank, it's Asus.
Non Compete, NCC or CNC clause are on almost any tech or sales job i Sweden. Usually no issues to start working for a competitor or start your own business but a payed grace period between jobs are common and they will take you to court if you start poaching customers
US version of non-compete in the EU are enforceable only to board members and even then, they'd have to pay salary for the non-compete period. Going after customers may vary between different EU member states, so I guess all you need is registering the company in another state (say Finland). Having the customers data after leaving the company may be a subject of GDPR, though but GDPR is a whole different story.
Luke is basically Linus' second wife, huh
*luke headnods in blind agreement*
Although I belief Linus never tried paying Luke with sexual favors.( roast reference)
he speaks from experience, coming from NCIX. his business is a spin-off company of NCIX
ncix failed, and he continued on his own. he was honouring the agreement
Sad you have to scroll that far down to see it. Same thing happened with New egg where they had two people leave after a bit to turn out to be pretty successful some near Linus. Should've just said, I'm trying to prevent someone doing what I did to NCIX lol
I have to say one thing about this topic. If a company is able to successfully poach a huge number of employees from one single company, it shows that the company being poached from is absolutely abysmal at providing the employees with adequate incentives to stay.
If, for example, I work as a blacksmith and spend hundreds of my life's hours being trained and then using my skills that I learned under my teacher to create profit for that blacksmith. Then, after several years, I learn that I could open my own shop and compete against that blacksmith and make multiple times the amount I make under them, of course, I would take that opportunity. Even if it's not setting up my own shop, if I find out that a competitor is paying more than my current employer and the current employer is unwilling to pay me the same, then it's unfortunate but I'm out. My life isn't about making my teacher the most money possible while I get shit on. I have to be willing to increase my wages when I can, within reason.
Now imagine the same scenario but I paid to go to school to learn blacksmithing. Sure, I absolutely learned under the first employer and that took time away from their duties to train me. That time is a small fraction of the time I was there, in this scenario, and therefore it was quickly outweighed by my man-hours. ("What about trade secrets!" I don't believe that any transferable skill should ever fall into the realm of "trade secrets". If you have a human doing it and other companies use the same type of skillset, that employee is free to use whatever it is you taught them. That doesn't mean they get to bring specific "eyes only" knowledge and implement that into the new company's designs but using CAD or whatever shouldn't count in that.)
Now, if I work for them just long enough to get trained and then leave, that blacksmith has lost out. That sucks and I agree that a contract that makes it so that I work there long enough to recoup the time spent training for the company is reasonable. That shouldn't be "We trained you for two weeks, now you're required to work here 5 years!" The employer should always be cognizant of the fact that these are people trying their best to survive in a world that increasingly making it harder to afford the cost of living.
I am not saying LMG is doing anything wrong but maybe Tesla was. If you lose that many employees to a competitor it means that you absolutely shit the bed on your pay and incentives. Loyalty is important and people should respect that a company has invested in them at times. However, that employee went to school for that trade, they went to work for you because they expected you to be something special, and if you can't respect that employee and make their time with you worth it, then don't get whiny when they leave.
It doesn't sound like the same case as tesla. Pretty sure the other company placed a ton more money in incentive and salary for the people they poached in exchange for R&D. They wanted the proprietary information to jumpstart their business.
@@albertyoshida2440 Yeah, that's no bueno. Like I say, taking someone's secret information to a new company so that company can snipe your original company is gross. I'm fairly certain it's illegal as hell, too. Corporate espionage and all that.
Again though, if that company is willing to pay their employees that much and *not* do so for Tesla's trade secrets, then that's on Tesla for not paying their employees what they are obviously worth. Since it was obviously worth it to the new company to pay that cost. Again, only if they aren't actually after the secret sauce.
@@fictionmyth it's not on Tesla at all.
You pay what you can afford to pay and saying that every company needs to pay more isn't fucking feasible.
You realize that as soon as you stop acting like a victim of companies and learn the logistics of running a business.
Rivian is paying out the ass for trade secrets, because once they have those secrets of how to make an affordable car that the mass market wants, like Tesla has, do you really think they are going to keep everyone that they poached?
No. Those people that took the deal just strapped a time bomb to their chest because once their value has run its course, they're going to be cut in order to save costs.
Once they lose that job for a small upfront payment vs a long term career, good luck ever getting a job in the same market or a similar one because you have now been called out in a legal court as being someone that can't be trusted with company information.
You just ruined everything you've worked for all because you wanted a sign on bonus lol.
Theres a big difference between not being paid properly so you leave, and being offered more money than youre worth somewhere else. id imagine thats what happened with tesla. Competitor thought hey, lets use these people who know what theyre doing to get one up on tesla. how do we get them? pay them a shitton
"It would be a problem if people were just coming in, using us as a stepping stone, and then booting out as soon as we have invested a ton of resources into training them up"
hm...
Similar to linus and NCIX 🤔🤷♂️
@@kianabbsi no, that’s not what happened
@@whatskraken3886 what happened?🤔
@@kianabbsi madison
LOVE your style of being boss Linus being friends with your boss or at least having a friendly relationship also works out way better easier to ask things and feel like there not gonna look at you like your dumb but look at you like your trying not to mess this up cause you don't want the grief of that and you know they dont need it. all in all as someone whos worked with bosses that take that friendly hands on approach are greatly appreciated.
I liked the honesty and reasonableness in this discussion.
Our employer a while ago redrafted our contracts and one of the things we all pointed out was a new clause which effectively mean't that whatever we worked on, no matter what and no matter when, would belong to company. People respectfully objected (myself included). Our employer came back and said "It wasn't out intention to take ownership of everything you do, but we acknoledge that is what it looks like on paper. As such, we're happy to discuss and modify the clause." . It was discussed and we now have a better policy where they will only claim work to do with what we work on/with and there's wiggle room of things that are somewhere in between. It's all about what is reasonable from both sides.
This was a really neat video. I appreciate taking the time to talk about real world work place issues. I will for sure being carrying some of this with me on my next endeavor
I really enjoy when Linus talks about his business philosophy. It doesn’t come up often but when it does it’s very interesting. Thanks
So everyone is talking about madison and nobody is talking about Luke's bird?
Haha, Linus is literally protecting himself from what and how his career started from NCIX videos :D
Obviously. NCIX made a huge mistake and Linus doesn’t want to repeat that with his employees
NCIX sold him the channel as they were dying then had him sign a no poaching clause.
Exactly, Linus is not allowing his employees what he was able to do at NCIS. That being said I understand this stance.
NCIX was a completely different company though. They were, at their core, in the business of selling hardware. LMG is a media company.
Linus did not directly co pete with the core business of NCIX right? He did not become a (re)seller of hardwareike NCIX was.
We are all totally free to do what we want.
You have the choice to stay with your current employer under the terms of agreement you voluntarily signed up to
OR
You can walk and do something else.
No problem with these arrangements. Employment is a two way relationship, they provide you with money in exchange for your services, on certain conditions and expectations (such as non-compete). You provide them with labour and skill in exchange for money, and you will have certain conditions and expectations to (such as a nice comfy office chair perhaps and being paid on a certain date, paid holiday, sick pay, health cover etc.).
If you dont like the terms of the agreement put to you, either negotiate or walk away, simple. But dont take advantage of the opportunity somebody has given you by breaking the terms of agreement you sign and then feel agrieved when they call you out on it.
Luke’s stash is on point 😆
It's very Seth Bullock (Deadwood) or maybe Wyatt Earp (Tombstone)!
Stache is good, rest of the beard not so much
It depends, if you use common cinematic techniques used worldwide for a company you should be free to do the same at home with your own personal free will and time to make your own individual, "original-esque" content that happens to be film because the content produced is not spilling some detrimental trade secret so it's acceptable.
there is much more than the way you use a camera that goes towards building a youtube channel
@@ossharkuenmeursault5609 that's a given
at this restaurant i worked at one of the cooks had left and started his own food truck… selling the exact same food as the restaurant lol
When you get EPIC training, an America Health data management system EHR, you usually sign a multi-year contract because the training is so expensive. As you increase your company's worth, you also increase your own. This type contract is just good business.
LMG seems like having a healthy and open business culture and transpatency in management is key to lonevity in any business
The thing I feel like people really aren't taking away is the whole brand deals thing. People like Anthony or other people who work infront of the camera are gonna get way more attention on social media than say a editor or someone in the marketing department. A company that say make keyboards might want to cut costs and attempt to contract one of them to review their product. This means they still get some of the exposure of the LMG follow base, but still only pay 1 person instead of LMG who have to pay multiple employees.
These kinds of conversations definitely show a different side to LMG.. I like it.
I don't know how I feel about this. As a teacher I sure as shit spend at least parts of the summer teaching extra "on the side".
And my friend who works for a photographer sure as shit spend her free time working extra on her own. Really don't see how their employer can tell her not to do that. She can't use ANYTHING owned by the company for the side gigs and that makes 100% sense.
You pay me for my work, and that is all you get.
I've been watching for a few years now, and really admire what you do. I see your job as being a continuous PR campaign for a tech industry that is filled to the brim with people that would rather be left to do their work than spend time appealing to the feelings of viewers. So I find it ironic that you are speaking about lacking the human element being the reason some people are poor. I have known many people in a range of positions in the tech industry. Many of the ones who advanced were fairly reclusive, and there is a major reason why.
It would come as no real surprise that many people in the industry define themselves through the quality of their work. It is what gives their lives meaning. There are many people that do not revere the individual, and are fine with the enactment of cruel barriers based on these individuals personas as to portray them as deserving hardship(and there are forums that represent these merciless enactments), and in that you end up with a cascading affect that leaves a person questioning whether they should be focusing on doing a good job, or instead hanging out and playing cards with everyone else(metaphorically speaking). You thus end up with people who get leaned on so hard that they burn out, or are blamed for everything that is going wrong because they are the only one doing anything, or if they do "play cards", they never reach their true potential. Or in another strange universe, you have HR receiving only complaints about the people who are actually working who have absolutely no idea what is going on, so to protect themselves, some preemptively attempt to create a dialogue with HR. On the flip side of that you might have an HR that wants something from the individual, and essentially takes the side of the accusers rather than remaining objective. So these individuals operating in such an environment rely upon hard work, and hope that it protects them, because they don't want to date the HR representative, with a result being they default to the side of the accuser, or you have no interest in a coworker, the individual doesn't want to compromise their employment by underperforming, but they also don't want to be up against their coworkers and lose their jobs by having to be constantly out thinking the attempts they make at compromising their employment, source of security, and lifeline to an enjoyable life. Each of these circumstances can be spun to make obtaining better employment very complicated
Striking that balance might be easy in concept, but in reality the stress that comes from being manipulated in this way has a lasting affect. Self hatred and bitterness start to develop because you are being told that you are the problem without the consideration of there being other reasons for your circumstance. Such was the reason for the civil rights movement, but that was more about being recognized as a complex human being rather than just a projection of what the majority dictates. It was for everyone. Words are such a complex, turbulent, and often clumsy representation of intent. I don't want to be seen a a passive aggressive goon that nitpicks and undermines progress through only focusing on where I can exploit what isn't said, or focusing on the things that are misspoken, or go all lawyer on you for not having fine print with every statement you make. I don't see you as a manifestation of ill intent.
I can understand for public image the limits that you might want for your employees. I would counter by stating that Tesla(the person) discovered utility in radio through play on his own time. I think that it is pretty clear that you intend on lifting people up within your company, and I admire that fact that you appreciate and revere your employees to the degree that you do. In my own personal opinion, a lot of the reason people get into tech is that they love to tinker, and problem solve. And especially in the creative side of tech like in music as well as games and movies, they have their own stories that they would like to tell, or advancements that they would wish to explore. Being a leader in what you do, you are looked upon as a setter of standards, and that probably weighs heavily upon your decision making. Personally I would want to hire people I know that could leave and do their own thing, but instead choose to stay with the reward being that they get to explore in whatever way they wish as long as it serves their job and role, or advancement in that role.
One of the things that limits IP is the amount of constraint put upon the thinker, and the deprivation of receiving(or not receiving) a true reward for performing beyond their title. Like a University for instance owns what you create as a professor even if it took your entire life to make a discovery. These discoveries benefit all of humanity, and draw people to the university and yet the football coach will almost always make more money than the guy who is working on a cure for cancer. Then the argument is made that they aren't doing it for the money, which is such a slap to the face of the intellect fostered within these institutions, and link between what it costs a person in terms of sacrifice versus what we are willing to acknowledge and reward. Sports are a good draw though. So the question then is how valuable are you? The answer is that you are essentially the performer that is creating the draw, and I personally hope that the standard you are setting is good for the potential of the individual because few are doing it as well as you are.
The wrestling example is also somehow strange as its similar to Formula 1 head organzation FIA - there is kind of a monopoly when you don't really have a choice as an athlete. As a photographer, gamer, writer you have various options in different industries to work on the same or a similar topic. In sports, especially in the major leagues (NBA, NFL, NHL, F1, Nascar.....) you basically don't have a choice to go to a different organization (if this is the one who dictates the rules, different situation for team specific rules)
That is normal in the food industry though. I regularly work multiple jobs and I've worked with chefs that own food trucks on the side. Food industry is different though because the only way to really move up, is to gain knowledge and skills from various chefs.
I think the point was not that you work in other places it’s that you use their info/recipes. I think it’s more like “we play games on this channel but don’t review them so if you review them then that’s fine”. Same with food industry. You work in a taco place let’s say and wanna start a cheesecake truck go for it but if you start a taco truck then you are directly competing. I live and used to be a waiter in NYC and I can tell you that the more “fancy” places let’s say won’t let you work for someone in the same area that has a similar menu. Go further away where it doesn’t affect me or do something different where you won’t use my recipes let’s say to Ben if it either yourself or someone else
@@AlwaysBolttheBird Yeah I've been a cook for 12 years and a bartender for 4. You're right but if you are good enough then people recognize *you* rather than the restaurant. For instance, Gordon Ramsay is an excellent chef, but name 3 of his restaurants by memory. I have had to sign a contract at a pizza place I worked at that said I was not allowed to work at a competitors restaurant for 12 months past my resignation date
Also, copying/modifying recipes is literally how you learn, that's why I was saying food/beverage is dissimilar to the entertainment industry. I've been drinking and I'm not explaining myself well. What I mean is the volatility is drastically different. If a well known chef put one dish on a restaurants menu, the restaurant will do well, but it will never do as well as the chef. One of LMG staff could start a channel that supercedes LMG, that's just how the entertainment sector works
@@daze8410 Gordon Ramsey Pub and Grill NV. Gordon Ramsey Hells Kitchen NV. Gordon Ramsey Steak NV. Used to live in Vegas and worked at the MGM Grand haha. Seriously though you are right also. There is a lot ways you can compete against someone you work for. The big difference is in NYC at least it can be difficult (not impossible) to enforce a non compete after employment is over. So in your case it probably wouldn’t stand up in court.
@@AlwaysBolttheBird I think the better example would have been using the kitchen's equipment to make food that you sell on the side
"If you are stuck in a dead end job you migh want to take a long, hard look in the mirror" thats super privileged way to look at things.
Basically, it is a non-compete situation
No, it isn't. You aren't COMPETING with LTT, the employees with YT channels and Twitch channels are the biggest free advertisements for LTT EVER. And they literally are just giving more content for LTT to watch. Linus is just being greedy, and controlling of the company's hard workers. He would be divorced and a dead yt channel if he didn't have his employees.
@@drakonis8138 woah, go get back in bed and get back out on the other side please...
What is the actual issue behind all this that has your feathers so ruffled?
@@drakonis8138 You still didn't get it. Of course LTT success comes from the awesome personalities of the employees and Linus but at the same time LTT gives them a big stage, in Madison's case, it just skyrocketed her media presence. That's all great, it only becomes a problem when people start abusing this and only want to work for LMG to get a big stage to promote themselves and then leave. From Linus perspective, he has to protect his business while at the same time make sure that he keeps a healthy environment for employees. That is hard to balance, he is doing a good job though.
@@ChrisBurnes "What is the actual issue behind all this that has your feathers so ruffled?" i dont know about him but lack of freedoms and having to walk on eggshells doesn't sound like a work environment that should be pushed let alone accepted
@@Nyarlathotep637 Who complained? Who is walking on eggshells?
They can still Twitch stream.. Really anything posted on FB, Twitter, or TH-cam (all social media) would reflect on the company. You know, the MEDIA COMPANY...
The point about Tesla and Rivian sounds dangerously similar to the line of reasoning that Apple most likely employs to justify demoting ex-employees to 'Associate' in their records. If it's too genuinely massive corporations, or even a massive corporation who loses employees to a smaller one, it's not poaching, putting the issue of intellectual property or data theft aside.
The fact that a company essentially declaring that they, in some respects, own the rights to a certain person has become more prevalent in the technology and online media industry, it seems. This is perturbing, to some extent, and it's also considerably perturbing that a company might declare their ownership of accrued skills, or even a more general knowledge (Although there are scenarios where this does differ). Others have pointed out how the cooking example doesn't work, and it's the same with other industries; And it really should be, despite that even fields like cooking often involve much smaller and less affluent companies than, say, technology.
The capitalist definition of 'intellectual property' seems constantly expanding. Both here and elsewhere, it appears that the idea of employees owing some real 'loyalty' to these market-based corporate entities; But what loyalty can or should exist to such entities of such a character and with such interests, to what even Linus himself has described Linus Media Group as?
The idea of a 'friendly' worker-boss relationship also disquiets me somewhat in this context. It's clear that Linus, or someone like Linus, sees himself as a sort of two people - the person Linus, and the entity which serves as a representative of Linus Media Group, who exists only to serve those interests and character of capital peculiar to a modern, Western market corporation. Such a 'relationship' (As well as such a way of living, as an aside) seem like they must terminate in a sort of schizophrenia.
Taking your server example almost all major restaurants require servers to like %10 tip share. This then goes to bar tenders and bus boys that are a essential part of the service they can provide. So the bar tenders tend to bank because they are working their ass off for their customer and the ones they aren’t directly in contact with.
I know that non-compete clauses aren't usually legally enforceable after the end of employment because the grocery store I work for tried to say I'm not allowed to work for any other retail operation for 3 years after the end of my employment. What are they trying to protect, they don't want the industry standard way I fold sandwich wraps to be leaked? I think everyone jumped to correct him on non-compete clauses being unenforceable because from most peoples perspectives this is the way most "regular" companies use non-compete clauses, as opposed to actually protecting real assets the way companies on the bleeding edge like LMG need to. At this point you pretty much need to assume that everything everyone says in chat is from the perspective of someone who works at a soulless megacorporation.
If you treat your employees well, and compensate them well they wont be able to get poached, I imagine Brandon has had a tonne of offers so you're obviously doing something right.
I don't know that I agree with the analogy of a baker and a food truck or whatever. Example: I am a software engineer, but after hours and weekends, I often still developed various software for various needs both personally and professionally. I have a skill set and I should be able to use that skill set to improve my station. Now obviously I shouldn't be an employee of a direct competitor, but freelancing is life.
Buzzfeed... people join Buzzfeed, they get popular, they leave Buzzfeed to have their own TH-cam channels with the fans they made from Buzzfeed
"our retention wouldn't be what it was" Cults have high retention. Whether people consider themselves abused and whether they are, aren't always the same thing.
I am an Electrician, I also work as an Electrician on the side, most tradesmen work with their trade on the side. if my boss doesnt like it he can suck it
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure most of your employers didn't build your skills or buy your tools. Don't most trades people buy all their own tools, and pay for their schooling? In most cases I don't think you would be using the reputation of your employer to get those side gigs either.
@@Ryan-093 correct employers play for literally nothing except tour hourly wage 🤣
@@Ash_Lawless It only gets complicated if you gain a benefit in your side job from working with your employer that you don't pay for. Like an audience boost. Or if you started using proprietary techniques researched and built by your employer for your side gig sorta thing. If you're just using transferrable skills that you have yourself invested in learning, unless you're taking work away from your employer it shouldn't be an issue.
@@Ryan-093 Is LTT buying personal use Mics and camera equipment for their employees Twitch channels? Sounds like they buy their own tools too.
Sounds like he’s burning the bridges that he used to cross. Didn’t he do pretty much the exact same thing with NCIX?
Employment contracts can be good or bad. I'm all for employment contracts that benefit both the employer AND employee equally, and I don't just mean "well your getting paid so that's your employee benefit from the contract". But sadly a lot of employers use them to totally benefit the company and totally screw the employees.
this reminds me of when people would become bus drivers just because the council would train them and once they got the licence they needed for large vehicles they would leave and go to a better paying trucking job, they ended up making people pay for their own training if they didn't have it already
I think the more you invest into your employees the more they'll invest into you (on average, some will take advantage). Which I think goes into allowing them to build up their own profile. As that will draw them into their main gig, which would be your company. So I think it's reasonable allowing people to do their own thing on the side, I think that's forward thinking myself. But I can see why you definitely want to have policies in place because you obviously want to handle cases where people are gonna take you for a ride.
The attitude you express about 17:30 is awful for a boss. Whether you realize it or not you are saying "if you assert your legal rights I will make you miserable"
100%.
Of course he is an awful boss, he runs an entertainment company where he catered his camera image to be likable, but his actual persona is that of someone who relates to Tesla over Rivian, where Rivian simply offers much better employment package than Tesla who is anti-union, anti-employee freedom.
That's where this stands.
This is the guy who took advantage of NCIX and now he's projecting his own shitty behaviour on all employees.
This is a guy who unironically in this video told you "If you're poor, it's probably your fault".
This guy is another white dude who got lucky when he was young and got rich of it, and now is completely disillusioned with what it's like for people in 2020 to be stuck in dead end jobs.
Nothing new in that context for Linus but a takeaway from this is always the same.
Entertainers' on screen personality is not who they really are. More often than not, behind the camera those people are straight up fucked in one way or another and will eat you alive or make your life hell if you don't obey them. Which is something to think about when Luke nervously shakes his head and nods throughout the video unenthusiastically. Him knowing just what Linus is capable of more than anyone else.
Most of these things that allow employers to control aspects of people’s personal lives should 100% be illegal.
Actually, the WWE mandate says they can have those platforms, but they were to turn over their login information and the money that is generated through those platforms are to go through WWE for them to ultimately decide the percentage of what the wrestlers get.
NCIX gave you a leg up.
And it's the only part of NCIX still living.
@@TheAverageAxeljulin So true man, in retail this has worked for me and it is if you let people grow to there full potential to an extent where they can start there own things you just get better employees I have been involved in places were today 10 years later all of the sales staff have there own business, did the original business suffer, No. Do you really think for example if Anthony started his own channel Linus Media groups viewers would go down no.I will just subscribe to that as well.
plenty of the employees have twitch channels and Linus is perfectly fine with it, Linus never made videos while NCIX was making videos (its when NCIX wanted to abandon it that Linus got permission to take it)
@@agafaba Look I am not a troll , and I love Linus Media Group. Keep up the good work. Different strokes for different folks👀😉
@@cheugy5685 ya I didn't think you were a troll, I think a lot of people misunderstood how the ncix thing happened making it seem like Linus is being a hypocrite so I clarified on a few similar posts.
I’m really really glad that my boss lets me continue to work on my own media company project even though my company and the company I work at do very similar things but we serve very different markets and budgets. He actually encouraged me to continue with that project as long as I don’t try to poach any customers.
Sounds like a great boss tbh - this is the attitude most bosses should have.
@@EricNorcross he’s awesome!
In mom and pop pharmacies they usually make you sign a contract were you can't work for another pharmacy while working there. Also you can't work for another pharmacy with in the 5 mile radius for a few months after terminating employment with the pharmacy.
Almost no restaurants share tips with back of house
Also sucks that the workers at wwe don’t get health care or what not.
Yeah, the whole organization is basically garbage, I feel really bad for anyone involved.
"Play ball with me and I'll play ball with you" is pretty unfair given that the employer inherently has all the power. I'm a bus driver and I'm allowed to uber. It takes business away from my company and I'm using some skills that the company taught me. I value my freedom to earn income more than my employers greed for income, seeing as they're much bigger than me and can do things that I cannot
i worked at a grocery store when i first moved and had t sign a contract that said for 2 years after leaving the company i will not go work for another store
When luke's budgie started talking, mine woke up and started screaming and I was so confused how it started 😂
Hearing this makes me wonder what the social media rules are for working for LMG. I know that many of the people that have left have promoted their own TH-cam channel but does that mean they aren't allowed to do TH-cam while working with LMG?
This video taught me that Luke and Linus don’t know how restaurants and bakery’s work.
This is exactly how all my automation tech contract were done, plus I was going into other shops for the company. I had 3 years without any contact with client after employment done, nothing expressing politics or touchy subject on social media's, and no sidebuisness since we have to be available always. They made me very better. That was only a price for me to pay to get knowledge from the best in their trades and also gather my license hours
The whole social media thing with bakery doesn't make any sense. Working at a restaurant will improve your skills and techniques but every chef is allowed to cook at home and even sell their own food out of work. Any job will teach you something but that doesn't mean your not allowed to expand as an individual and search for other ventures. The best way to not lose any of your employees that you trained is by treating them well. The only issue would be advertising your side jobs on your main job. Then that is understandable to not allow. Or if someone doesn't do their job at work. But anything else doesn't make sense to prohibit
It's an interesting discussion, because while Linus has a point that they get a leg up in terms of audience/publicity and also proprietary knowledge behind the scenes, those two things also provide a benefit to LMG in the form of a more effective employee for the company while they are working there. Their success at their LMG role is also largely possible thanks to the resources of LMG, which they don't have on their own.
If the staff members are moonlighting using entirely their own tools, I don't personally agree with restraining that trade unless they are actually directly competing against their employer. In places like Silicon Valley you get ridiculous restraints of trade that basically claim all your productive output regardless of whether you did it on your own time or not, and claim that your 'pay' is compensation for this. I strongly disagree there.
All in all though I find myself generally agreeing with LInus again, who seems to be a pretty level headed character when it comes to most of these sorts of things.
That superchat d-bag saying he can do what he wants, is the reason rules have to be put in place and enforced. Bet he doesn’t have a job he likes, or one that pays well for the work because of his poor attitude.
Nah I've met a lot of very entitiled people in the working world and the most selfish ignorant people often do very well for themselves.
@@flucazade This is very true. It's a high risk - high reward gamble.
@@flucazade you've only met the ones that have succeeded then. I can assure you that most of them are doing exactly what Linus's closing statement entailed. "in a dead end job, fight against the big corpos"
@@ThisIsAitch yes but by that logic the same applies to those that follow all the rules. Im not justifying to say screw a Non compete, because if you agree to it you should honor it. Its yup to whatever that person whats to do, but me personally im not burning any bridges on purpose.
Some people, including me, just think that some noncompete agreements go a bit too far. That's all.
Love the buisiness owner perspective on some vids. Like the $1k Apple stand as a work tool. "If a tool is quite expensive, but it saves me overall in healthcare costs, it's a worthwhile investment."
Love how Luke has a budgie flying around and Linus has a kid in the background.
I can understand why his company may not want their employees to flake BUT the industry dies if media groups and companies have such a tight grip on their own employees. There is a reason why trades jobs die, they are so paranoid about competition they stop training. The lack or competition KILLS industry.
they are only not allowed to do tech stuff, which is directly competing against LMG. Everything else is off the table. If his employees wants to start their own channel, they CAN leave LMG. Now, that begs the question, why haven't they? Running a channel is more complex and they may not want to do that themselves. Not everyone wants the stress of having their own business.
God, this is such a good video.
Like with the NCIX bankruptcy WAN show before, we get to see like this deeply analytical side of Linus that he doesn't show on his on-camera persona.
Linus in WAN show: intelligent, actively pro-consumer analytic expert
Linus in videos: goofy guy who makes weird faces, builds contraptions out of crap in the garage and drops tech
So I don't know how it works in Canada but in the states tipping is one of 3 ways the wait staff keeps there tips the wait staff share all tips or the wait staff shares tips with the bussing staff the front house and back house rarely share tips as back staff makes more only than front staff
2:43 i work as civil servant and we have that problem constantly and the "company" doesn't see it as a problem. we're "happy" that we're training people up and sending them out in to the work force. ahhhh government efficiency.
How did NCIX feel about you making LTT?
It was a part of their agreement, actually.
there are some videos on the internet somewhere, look up linus sebastian talks about leaving ncix or something; i think it was also discussed on wan show somewhere, so you can try to look through the videos on this channel
He was compensated less than minimum wage for it, if you broke it out separately from his regular job with NCIX, but he did it anyway because he loved getting his hands on all the tech.
@Lewis Brown theres a video linus being interviewed about how was it to work in Ncix and how LTT started, TLDR NCIX didnt do jackshit and it was all linus
Linus has explained that in depth more than once ... Look back in the WAN show archives.
LTT was built on the back of linus taking the knowledge and resources he used at NCIX
LTT was originally owned by NCIX. And later Linus bought the LTT brand and it's assets to himself.
And I'm sure Anthony or Riley or Alex could take the skills learned from their time at LMG, take the built in audience and then quit and create their own channel. That's not really what's being talked about here
u not wrong,but he get it all that on black and white,and ncix doofun dont even know what the hell.they agreein wif
It's super common for companies, even ones that have nothing to do with tech or social media, to have paragraphs about social media in their employee contracts.
12:21 love the bird flying around