What CAN'T you talk about at Work?
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I do not want to watch the full WAN show. I like these shorter topical videos so I can decide which ones to watch.
Dead a$$. Between WAN Show, Lew Later, Joe Rogan, and Television + Gaming. Even with covid, there simply is not enough time to just watch everything!... and still have a social/healthy life.
@@baked_horse lmfao same I just rewatch the most interesting parts but I usually watch the WAN show live
There is a comment in every wan show with timestamps. Thats my goto
For me it depends. Some weeks I'll feel like taking the time to watch the whole show. Other times I don't feel like watching the full show, but see a thumbnail of something I'd have wanted to see and I can just watch that part.
@@Jeff-su8tc Yup, seems everyone and their grandmother has a fricking podcast of some sort.
One particular sports site I used to follow often had a podcast, by 3rd party people not affiliated with the site, after each game to kind of talk about the state of things. COVID hit, and now writers don't want to write articles anymore and there are at least 5 different podcasts that pop up on a weekly basis, and it's still in the off season!
The company I work for discourages talking about politics at work. It's in part due to people getting excessively angry, especially during these last 5 years.
At my high school a kid got screamed at and cursed at by 2 latinas because his family was pro trump. He kept himself under control and calm. He was latino too. Not only could they harass him in the middle of class, but they weren't even punished or given a warning.
@@davidgutierrez8297 For some reason just hearing the name Trump turns some people into rabid animals.
Ever since getting to my current position at work I've had people come to me complaining about he said this or she said that and that makes me angry because politics. My response is the exact same thing every time. I tell them what is the problem they're at work you on my time not your own I don't care if it makes them angry they're here to work not be in a safe space. If it makes them that mad they can request a shift change to get away from that person who made them mad.
Like at one point I actually considered having business cards made with that phrase on them. Like I know I seems I'm a dickhead and to an extent I am but that's because I am. However I have people I report to as well I can't waste my time dealing with what amounts to he said a bad word at least that's what I would compare to.
Last I checked I still worked in America which means the first amendment guarantees freedom of speech even for people you don't agree with. That's something I believe in and it's not going to change anytime soon.
@@davidgutierrez8297 latinxs*
/s
I just wonder how the world would be if USA was pro-blue instead
Growing up in Mexico both of my grandmas used to have birds at home. So it was odd listening to Lukes bird sing and feeling weirdly comfortable at grandma's again hahahhhahaa
same
Que gracioso que lo menciones, cada que oigo a su pajarillo, me acuerdo de mi abue.
That's just lovely.
hahaha nice!
Same
"Human Resources, how disgusting is that.." Perfect quote from Linus.
They should just call it what it really is: the grown up principal’s office.
Sounding like Micheal Scott
Linus 🤝 Michael Scott
Oh please! You act like that is the first time someone has been disgusted that the department that provides a company with employees is called human resources. It was disgusting when this title first came out. Where have you been this whole time? Seriously, the term 'human resources' is older than you have been on this Earth. And you are just now hearing about it? Get real! And you can forget renaming it, no matter what you name it the behavior will remain the same. A rose by any other name...
@@danielduncan6806 ok dude...
I think the difference between Linus and the vast majority of Tech bosses and CEOs and the manager class generally, is that he still thinks of himself as kind of an employee of the business. Obviously he runs the place, but he is so involved with the every day running of videos that he never has an oppurtunity to detach himself from what the people "under him" are doing to the betterment of all the workers at LMG
That's a nice mindset for sure, but the more WAN show I listen to the more I realise that, through that mindset, he often seems to forget that there's still an inherent power-imbalance at play. He IS the boss and no matter how what moral/ethical standards he holds himself to, that power dynamic will not change.
@@DamnZodiak I'm an anti-capitalist, and the compagny could be shared among workers and stuff (to equal out the power dynamic a bit more), but I think I wouldn't be as much anti-capitalistic if other compagnies ran things the way he seems to run things. That ethical mindset he has (or seems too through out the WAN show) is one thing that's really missing from other bosses, and I think it's one of the reasons why capitalism today is so unethical.
@@DamnZodiak I 100% agree - on one of the videos without unions he said he would be confused if his employees wished to unionise because he thinks they're treated well by LMG, which is a misunderstanding of the real point of collective bargaining. But under current capitalist restraints, ethical bosses might be the best we get without regulation with mandatory worker representation in board/managerial positions
I just finished the WAN clip about housing market and student debt, and honestly its just nice to have a vocal voice in the tech space actively support liberal (even socdem) ideas. Obviously I would love to see outright leftism, but you can't expect that in the tech space
@@SwainixFPV wait how would sharing a company work with employees
I used to work as a Video Game Tester. HR gave us 4 topics that we could talk about at work as it would cause fights / offend people and so on... Religion, Politics, Sex and Word of WarCraft.
That is a pretty solid rule tho
That last one though 🤣
A fun thing to do is to walk up to a group of people discussing wow and say that the goblins are one of the best races in the game. After a few mins you can leave because one of them will most likely think highly of the goblins and will be arguing with the others
Four topics we *could* talk about at work. I see your HR believed in the value of strife :P
Looks like you only listed 3 😄
Seems like the company wanted to self purge, and the CEO knew exactly what to say to get a certain group to quit.
Is it really a purge if they quit?
@@wolfsden6479 isn't it better for them to quit than to get fired?, cause if they fired them they would have to get paid and all of that, but if they quit they forfeit that.
@@MrCazador123 they got 6 months pay severance. It wasnt about the money
@@MrCazador123 Not only that, but suddenly firing a third of your entire workforce, with all of them having one thing or trait in common, would ruin your public image imo. This way, he made THEM pulling the trigger, and his hands are "clean", so to speak.
It’s brilliant
He tells people that they’re no longer allowed to spread their own political views through company affiliated social media to make it look like the companies opinion
And they quit
I have worked at Wal-Mart for 2 1/2 years and just recently got promoted to "team lead" in my department. We've been told for a long time that we are overstaffed in Online Grocery, but we used to have a salaried manager who argued for our hours every month. The current step above that position has said directly to me that it's okay we are overstaffed because we're planning on losing people.
How are we going to lose people? By enforcing new rules which go above company policy to punish workers for not being accurate enough despite how the metrics which inspired this rule are heavily influenced by a separate department.
I don't know if that would make sense to those outside of OGP without a much longer explanation, but the main point is that I have a salaried manager who talks about people as though they are nothing more than equipment that should be thrown away and replaced if they aren't performing to his expectations. He sees them as human "resources".
I get it, they keep trying to introduce targets in my company, but we are one link in a chain, and performance from the links either side have a direct impact on our efficiency. Our metrics swing wildly from day to day because of this, yet nobody seems willing to take a step back smooth out inefficiencies across the whole chain
So, "human resources" may be a disgusting term, but at least it's honest then...
@@LRM12o8 It's a disgusting term for a disgusting mentality.
Got to raise that first time pick rate somehow 🤑
That's normal..
Bill Burr has a great bit on that billboard part, about domestic violence.
I was going to comment about that just before I saw your comment lol
Ole billy no hair
For real, man if only 1930s Germany had more billboards...
"Human Resources" used to be called "Personnel Management"
Human remains
That was before humans became a resource that can just be burned up like fuel and then replaced, right?
Human Resources has always sounded so morbid to me, like someone from HR just goes to a slave market somewhere and gets some brand spanking new humans from the store, compares their specs and price, and moves on
Yeah thats what we call it in Germany "Personnel Department" Not fucking "Human Minecraft Item Stack"
@@mds3697 HR people especially those in charge of hiring do act like glorified slavers
look at the shit they demand from people who are only there for an entry level freelance task
My guess is that it’s just not political discussion but rather that the political discussions wasn’t able to be civil. And that made people uneasy and that is what waist people’s productivity being around hostile discussions.
Must have turned into a social media arguing in real life at work. Impossible to work in those condition.
@@liptonicetea393 exactly! I know i would loos my spark in such condition even if I was not part of the discussion.
I don't think there was much of a discussion at all. Just two caps that formed. One that felt the people should be held more accountable for "past decisions" and one that was either defending those "decisions" them or just wanted to drop the issue.
So more a climate of constant passive aggression, than actual arguing.
@@danielschroedinger2090 I mean, its gonna go to arguing when one side wont shut up about it despite many attempts to tell em to shut up because on average they bring it up in the wrong time and place
My employer stopped calling it Human Resources and instead refers to it as Employee Services, now. It was a good change, I think. Much less negative connotation.
That's like renaming a Slaughterhouse to Eternal Rest. Yes, the name is friendlier but "Employee Services" still see you as a number and still handles you like cattle.
@@LordFokas but I imagine you feel less like a slab of meat with Employee Services. As long as the people working in that department treat you properly.
@@kairon156 not really, as long as you're still a number and they are still there to protect the employer from you... are our minds so shallow that we can't look past a name or a fancy label?
@@LordFokas jeeze. someone is being a downer.
I was mainly talking about how what your called lowers the feeling that your just a pice of shit taking up a paycheck when looking for time off.
Not I repeat not that you somehow weren't a cog in the machine of the cooperation because of a name change.
"Human Relations" sounds like what HR would nominate to call itself in response to complaints about the insensitive name for HR.
this guy was smart he knew exactly what to say to make only the people he wanted to quit angry
Yea, I mean if there are people that quit over these fairly normal and generally socially typical rules (for a workplace) than they had a different kind of people and culture at the workplace that clearly wasn't beneficial and he did exactly what he had to do to take the "trash" out so to speak
I wonder if the owner realized it was going to be that huge a % of people though.
But with so many massive corporations cutting their staff now is the time to cycle out your dead weight employees.
Luke looks after his budgie well becuase it does that scream. When budgies make that kinda scream it says that the budgie is happy and or excited
Luke's pet bird got feisty at the exact moment he was going to read about the controversial change. Obviously a sign that we should take bird law seriously.
0:48 yep that sounds like Twitter to me
The billboard thing, I agree that it probably won't change the mind of a hardened f***stain but I think that it's more about trying to show those people that they're not a majority. While also showing that people are trying to make it better.
I think it may also help inform people who… aren’t necessarily aware of the problem. Like if you aren’t close with any people of X group you may not be aware of whatever they’re up against, and the billboard could help clue you into that.
The “dwelling” thing sounds like maybe there were really passive aggressive people who can’t let other people’s mistakes go. Or people who refuse to make further mistakes because they’re afraid of the consequences.
If it’s the former, let them go. If it’s the latter, change your culture...
Sounds more like the higher ups are tired of people bringing up their incompetence.
@@operator8014 Nope it wasn't considering the other rules. It was clearly an attempt to annoy those that find "problems" to attack others with.
He wanted to clean the companies from the political activists that want to have meetings all the time and talk about supposed behavioral problems etc etc.
Basically he is cleaning his company from the woke to keep employees that work more and talk less and are not entitled lazy brats.
consider how bad it must have been that they had to take such measures..
By "they" I assume you mean the CEO/company - unless you were referring to the employees who left - but my alternative perspective would be, consider how the CEO's personal ideology being projected onto the whole company in a quick and unstable way could cause serious rifts with the employees. These "changes" don't sound like they came from a company-wide discussion, more of a top-down "I'm Mr. CEO-Man and I can do whatever I want because it's my company" type approach... which will never go over well.
The CEO was probably trying to purge his company of SJW's who were inevitably causing trouble.
Good on him I say.
@@Ryan-lk4pu What do you define as a SJW?
@@Ryan-lk4pu You’re telling me that a CEO would want to get rid of 1/3 of their work base because of their political opinions? I understand if an employee is wasting company resources that the right thing to do is fire them, but for a company to mass exodus people of a specific political group just sounds like George Orwells nightmare. Its literally like 1984 is coming to life.
@@idkproductions01 political opinions that are leading to actions that are literally destroying our way of life, and making everyday life like an Orwellian nightmare by dictating what can be said and which people/words are "problematic"?
He did absolutely the right thing 👍
I’ve worked for a few firms with a 0 politics culture and I’m a big fan. You can easily get on with people with similar interests without getting lost in differing political views.
Honestly i think that is a bit weird. So many topics are in some way "political". I think if everyone just has the common sense to keep their most extreme opinions to their own and furthermore stay civil and polite where occasional discussions emerge, you are fine.
The fact that banning all talk about politics is seen as necessary to keep workplaces from turning hostile is very telling about our current culture.
As an English teacher, not being able to talk politics would kneecap my teaching (and I teach in China). Politics are an easy way to explore critical thought, close reading, independent thinking, respect, etc.
@@WMDistraction But you are not discussing politics with your colleagues, so that is different.
Also where i live (public) teachers are actually prohibited from sharing their political views with their students. Of course they can teach politics, history etc. and their ideals usually shine through anyway, but technically they have to present everything as impartial as possible.
What was considered politics?
I dont mean any disrespect, but are you American? the reason i ask is American culture appears to be deeply divided between "left" and "right". I'm sure some other countries have this as well but it's quite an weird concept to other places where politics is about actual policy rather than party.
Don't say pay. Most companies say "You can't talk to other members of staff about pay" that's because they don't want people to question "Why am I getting less pay than Dave when I do more than Dave". Companies don't want you to talk about pay because they want to keep ripping you off.
yeah even today modern slavery is fueled by lobbies preventing governments from investigating it because cheap slave labour in third world countries subsidizes the products of many companies and keeps their profit margins high
It's actually illegal to hinder talk about pay.
@@stephenponnet462 Yep but there is a stupid culture in the UK work where you aren't supposed to "talk about pay" if they hear you are, you normally get moaned at by management.
@@TheStevenWhiting report it. It's a protected right and if they are hindering it you can get you a massive payout
They aren't "ripping you off".
I've got news for you, Dave thinks he's doing more then you.
The only person who sees everything you did at work is you, so obviously everyone overestimates their contribution and underestimates everyone else's.
Basecamp 100% was hoping to cut some liabilities from their employment roster and regain some control of the company
i would endorse any immigration policy that leads to Linus developing a better pronunciation of “cojones”
co-jones?
And cutting way back on his use of the worthless word “actually”.
@@mavfan1 it's not worthless, it's a synonym for "in reality" that emphasizes the contrast of the statement you're saying with one previously stated
I run a small business, and have a "professional atmosphere" policy. No news, no politics, no sex, no religion. We're here to work, and provide value to our customers.
👏👏👏
100% agree. I don't want to be preached at or hear about peoples politics at work.
Period.
This used to be how every workplace was a decade ago...
Exactly how it should be, unfortunately a lot of companies think that their business is now to shove political BS down their customers throats, I'm looking at Big-Tech and huge corporations.
You can't separate work and politics in a zero-sum system. Work leads to money leads to power, which dictates politics.
i wish luke would look into the camera more! Linus has definitely got his presentation style honed and it’s a sight to see. Great duo building off eachother. it’s sweet
In my country Human resources name was changed to Human talent, and employee was change to collaborator, same thing but difference but still the same.
Collaborator sounds 1000 times worse. Makes it sound like you're part of a criminal scheme
@@Orcus__ well you are
@@seemysight i like you
when I hear the word collaborator, the first think that comes to mind is not
"a person who works jointly on an activity or project; an associate."
it always goes to the default meaning
a person who cooperates traitorously with an enemy; a defector.
and talking about employee as collaborator is not a positive thing,
as we the employees due disagree with many thing that the upper management at the companies do and we are just there because,
it's just the job that pays the bills.
If it's not a co-op it's not a collab lmao
Just went through a year of redundancy and seeing the company where I worked for years, lose 97% of their employees, me included. And yet no one in the company wanted to talk about the situation. Just crazy. People are scared to talk about the company, politics and religion, even in a small break meeting, purposefully meant to have chats that are not about work.
No politics on the workplace seems like a pretty easy thing to understand practically: if it's not related to your job and/or not universally agreed upon you discuss it elsewhere.
If you're sewing shirts and talk about sewing techniques that's appropriate, if you talk about your day that's fine, if you talk about things that not every sane person agrees with wether you do it on purpose to stir up drama or by accident you need to stop. It's simple.
If a concept has a heavy political connotation to it then don't talk about it. even if there's an udnerlying common sense response, if it's politically charged zip it. For example: should America be great? well unless you want it to be mediocre or bad then obviously the common sense answer is yes. But if you say "we need to make america great" what people understand is not the common sense answer but the political slogan. Should black lives matter? yes obviously. but if you say "black lives matter" what people think about is not the common sense answer but the political organization with all its features and flaws, which can be endlessly argued upon to no agreement. So zip it.
It does seem (and is) stupid that some moronically obvious things cannot be discussed because they are politicized. But that's life. As stupid as you think another person is for disagreeing with you on something the workplace is NOT the place to argue with him.
Most adult human beings spend the overwhelming majority of their waking hours engaged in labor for pay; when the fuck else are they supposed to talk about things that are important to them? Freedom of expression is a fundamental human right. Where do people get off thinking employers have any authority or responsibility to curtail that right?
@@bartolomeothesatyr After your 9-5 job.
Not talking politics in the work place makes a lot of sense because it can quickly go from a discussion to an argument and then both party’s stop doing work
@@swapnilmankame Not talking politics in the workplace allows capital to exploit labor without complaint or discussion. Fuck that.
I'm all for everything the base camp CEO put in his document, if people at the company felt their work was defined by talking about politics and going to the farmers market ...then that answers any question about why he needed to write this
It''s more, 'why all the weird rules'? If the CEO is going to make a very odd list of rules now, what's stopping him from pushing more and more limits on the employees. I'd see the signs and probably be gone cause I love talking shit with my coleagues.
6:00 my office is definitely run by our almighty TALLEST
I appreciate Linus as not everyone has the mindset to manage people, much less as a CEO, but Linus takes it in stride as he can get on a very personal level while still looking out for his company.
Thank you Luke for inspiring me to grow my beard and have a god tier stache like you.
Rumor has it, he hides his retro games in it.
12:38 is when the context is given as to why Basecamp's policy on "lingering or dwelling on past decisions" (2:03) is an issue.
Oh wow. Companies wanting to focus on making money. Shocking.
But stopping people from sharing ideas just because people can't remain calm while discussing contentious topics is the wrong way of approaching it.
Which is why I tend to make the most extreme position possible when I'm dealing with someone who's either far left or far right, you shine the light of absurdity by being absolutely absurd yourself.
You're right of course, but the problem is there are enough disingenuous opportunists to spoil it for the rest of us.
@@MandoMTL True dat.
@@FrogOf4Chan you shouldn't be discussing politics in the work place
@@vorbo01 I discuss every topic regardless of where I am, if the conversation comes up then I will absolutely add it
One of my jobs didn't say Human Resources instead the used Human Capital
i feel like that's even worse lmao
Mine too
Yeah, because that is so much better. LOL!!!
@@danielduncan6806 right, I suggested they do away with it and just call it Human Cattle as it seemed they liked to treat us
At one old job, I heard people occasionally refer to HR as "Human Remains".
I mostly follow software devs on Twitter and this has made up the majority of my timeline all week
Then you're most likely following the wrong software devs. But I might be wrong about that, I'm not on Twitter at all and never have been.
@@DivanVisagie anyone worth their salt would either have a dead twitter account or none at all
so many discussion comments meanwhile i cant stop laughing at that voice crack at 1:55
I had to watch that twice to make sure I wasn’t just hearing things lmfao
me name is jefff
I love linus soooooo much for his comments towards then end there.
Linus with the Bill Burr take on the billboard.
Why does it always seem like Linus is pulling teeth getting Luke to talk about what he wants him to talk about?
That's kind of their dynamic, Luke is happy talking about things, but Linus seems to enjoy egging him on
Luke is highly invested in everything he says. He speaks less off the cuff, so he needs a little more coaxing.
I think the easiest analogy is that Linus was in sales and considering that he's the face and mouth/voice/main presenter/host of his own company now, he kind of still is. That kind of work requires you to be able to talk very fast in an almost improvisational way. Just to be clear, I know he's an expert in all things tech and knows more than sales, I'm strictly speaking manner of speech.
Luke has always been more on the logistics end of things, IIRC even back when he was contracting with NCIX. There's a reason he now manages/runs Floatplane's backend, he's more reserved and it seems to take him more energy or effort to talk in that way Linus has learned to. It doesn't seem to come quite as naturally and that's cool.
And there's nothing wrong with either style to be clear. I love their dynamic and the trade off in the WAN Show. I'm very glad they still do it together.
Racially sensitive topics will always be met with 1/3 support, 1/3 rejection, and 1/3 apathy for basically any solution, mostly fighting between "The past is the past" vs. "On the shoulders of giants" fundamental philosophies that we ascribe to regarding to how the past and present intertwine. "The past is the past" camp doesn't mind the wrongs of the past, as long as the present is functioning as it should. It's not necessarily coming from a place of hate (tho it could be), but is rather a more pragmatic, albeit insensitive approach i.e. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". I think we should be pushing for the "On the shoulders of giants" approach tho, since we do have to realize, at some point, the contributions of those that came before and the sacrifices each particular group made in order for the present to be possible, and understand how those sacrifices have transformed into systematic flaws which include neglect, under-representation, etc. which could lead further to hate, if unchecked.
Unfortunately, not a single reformist has attempted to frame their contentions and demands as rationally as you have here.
These social movements are typically subverted by opportunists the minute they show potential for marketability.
There's just something I really respect about this guy just going "okay I've heard enough bye" pretty inspiring honestly.
Regarding the term "Human resources" @14:20 ~
In german (and other germanic languages i'd guess) its actual more aptly called the "personnel departmant".
TBH 1/3 of the company translates to 18 people. (For Basecamp at least)
Base camp? More like based camp 😎
So based they lost more than 1/3rd of their employees lmao
@SkyNet You of all of intellects should understand the notion of necessary sacrifice.
This comment is vibes, but it boutta get blown up with hate in a few.
@@naspointOthats not really a good example.. .lol, exactly how you get rid of cancer matters alot.... it would also matter how bad the spread,, the type of cancer,, etc... in your own example targeted therapy is far better than tossing you into full body radiation therapy. The difference is months of recovering vs weeks of recovering. losing 1/3 of your staff at once is never good. Its fine if you can have the old people train the new people however, en masse its not going to be good. In a technology setting, You lose overall knowledge of your own products, services, customers. Time overall will be wasted relearning lots of your own company. That is, you also lose progress and direction on the things you liked along with the things you consider problematic. I have experience with this via a multi billion dollar company I worked for, when it was purchased by a larger multibillion dollar corporation. We lost sooooo many customers, and money, conforming. We suffered months of changing systems, processes. In just a small example, have you ever lose all the programmers who are actively coding something? The person that starts in their position has to waste loads if time studying the code to understand what each section did/does and then they typically will want to rewrite lots of it due to the approach not being what the new person thinks is best. Even if reaching the same goal, every programmer does so in unique ways. Thats just one example and in a large business setting this will be 10 fold all over the company.
@@naspointO up to you buddy just making a point that its not as black and white as you say.
Worrying or overthinking past decisions is ok and normal behavior, but if you are seeing it in multiple employees, it may not be an employee issue. It would be an employer issue. The question is why do they feel that pressure over last decisions. Are there any consequences for those decisions?
Linus seems like a good manager whenever he talks about his managerial philosophies
Politics make people angry. Because at its core it's about interest groups against other interest groups, which inevitably devolves into hate and aggression.
Over the last year or so I've consciously tried to distance myself from anything political, which had made me a lot happier in general.
The ability to disengage from politics is like turning a blind eye to a fire in your living room. It almost always favours power imbalances and reeks of privilege. Just because something makes you uncomfortable, doesn't mean that it doesn't impact you or other people. Its a very naive way of thinking about society. Many people don't have the luxury to abstain from politics and it is morally reprehensible to be able to distance yourself from politics when your support and understanding could improve the lives of other people and people related to you. There is of course, a way to not be overly concerned by politics while still understanding it. Whether you know it or not, politics is everything you do even the very decision to abstain from it is political and supports people in power over people trying to create equality in the world.
Don't combine work and politics. Simple.
my previous boss did that which was hard because he was a politican.
@@pathologicalliar8728 Well that's one of the few acceptable exception
But politics is 75% about work.
You should mix work and politics. Because if you don’t. Someone will again a you
@@seemysight Nah, it's not. Work is about making money, you can keep your pathetic excuse for tribalism at home
@@A.Froster yeah we all know that work was never mentionned in any political books and clearly no political ideologies center around work / workers
"My politics aren't politics; only your politics are politics" -Linus
Yep.. It is a tough gig. Just live, and enjoy it.
my company doesnt have and HR department we have a Talent Management department.
lol. Almost the same thing. When you want to delegate your responsibility to one person you create a Chief Inovation Officer. Hopefully it is better and less racist and apathetic than an HR department.
I’m not an employee, I’m an actor.
Acting for the entire circus
and we don't have janitors, we have cleaning specialists
they still do the same thing though
Change HR to Employee Relations or something. It's workplace not a hangout spot
11:30 Linus does a perfect impersonation of one of my managers at work
I used to rely on BC3 for Project Management for Creative Project Launches. I'm terrified to see what it has become now.
Linus: Things that are bad are just bad.
Yeah, if only it was that simple, Linus.
It is. Social norms learned through youth defines what is bad and what is good. If your wires are crossed, something is wrong with you.
Canada isn't as segregated as the US. That's why Canadians like Linus and myself state it as obvious. There's no better way to seed racial harmony than growing up with (playing, schooling, etc) ethnically diverse individuals. Many of us up here lived that reality. We don't need cancerous American propaganda poisoning the beautiful communities we've created.
@@MandoMTL maybe but yall do hate natives that's for sure
Notice how I emphasized propaganda, not American people. It's the same thing up here with politicians on both sides of the issue. They get rich off the suffering they themselves engineer, and sell themselves in public as heroes.
@@MandoMTL funny when you blanket statement everyone from another country lol
I think the way to prevent politics at work is it provide challenging work to employees. We talk about politics at my workplace all the heckin' time, but the reason is because most of the time, the work involves waiting for something to break, and talking about our pets isn't going to fill a 48 hour workweek. If the work were actually fulfilling and challenging, I'd want to talk about work related topics.
Why do you have 48-hour work weeks?
@@martir.7653 "Unfortunately, we're a bit behind schedule, so we're gonna have mandatory overtime for the next four weeks" (repeat each month, indefinitely.)
@@ashtentheplatypus Do you happen to work for Ajinomoto?
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As a mid level supervisor, make a decision. If it is the wrong decision, we can train on why it was the wrong choice and what you may have missed so you can do better the next time, but make a decision. If you decision is the wrong one either I failed to train for such a situation or it was a situation in which is rare and I did not consider when training you. Shit happens. Learn from it, do better next time, but do not let it drag you down tomorrow. We are all in this together and we learn by making mistakes, why waste our time, energy, and mental capacity worrying about a simple mistake?
I'm in the eventsector, might steal your club idea, sounds awesome 😂
1/3 left that used the company as a platform to throw their shit out? As if there are not enough platforms out where people can say what they think and argue with others that they will never meet?
A thought: this could be a case of "I'll make extremely strict, overbearing rules, and then enforce them extremely loosely." That's a common sentiment in the world we live in. However, Luke and Linus are right, and wording it as strongly as they did was NOT a good idea.
They are not meant to be enforced harshly in the employees that stay but to scare those that he wanted to leave.
They were ruining his company, he wanted them out. We all know what kind of people we are talking about.
The kind that think people should respect their "experiences" and can find "issues" that they always need to talk about.
So of course he thought they were replaceable.
He wanted to clean the business from the political activists that want to have meetings all the time and talk about supposed behavioral problems etc etc.
Basically he is cleaning his company from the woke to keep employees that work more and talk less and are not entitled lazy brats.
Man, what a video and what a comment section. Definitely deserve each other.
Speaking from personal experience: talking about CBT is a total no-go
Gets you fired immediately
CBT? Cognitive Behavioral Theory? You have threatened the position of the HR showing that you could be at his place xD
@@hugodc1225 he is talking about chemicals found in weed .
@@hugodc1225 cbt is a chemical
That's sad. When baseless presumptions and prejudice weigh more than your talent and the work you put in to the company.
@@LRM12o8 yea
this company as far as i understood it deals with remote working, both in how they operate and the services they provide. that being said, i imagine that the type of people and discussions are entirely different from the ones of physical based companies that just so happens to have made use of remote working because of the current landscape. sounds more like a disfunctional discussion forum rather than a traditional company.
This. It started out as a web dev company and then started to create basecamp for their own purposes and then publicized it. The CEO is the co-founder of the company and if you read into the rules it's just clear the company's mission wasn't corrupted, the workforce was. I wasn't there but if you have that insane amount of paternal services connected to that workplace, such an extreme amount of comitees... I have a hunch of what happened at the company. I think in good will they allowed this, thinking it would promote inclusion in a proper, decent, way but it got completely out of hand and the corruption got into the upper-management...
Then the CEO (again; co-founder) pulled the plug on their scam in the best way he could.
kinda agree with the "we are not a social impact company"
13:20 I've been reading a dune prequel where in a city they have a "human resources district" which is just an open air slave market
The company I work at calls HR, People and Culture. I too agree that HR is an ugly term but so many companies do view employees as a resource to be used up and discarded when they are no longer useful.
What's wrong with asking to be apolitical
At LTT, anything but Floatplane
We usually call it in direct transation personneldepartment. HR has snuck in because of the usual anglification of the workplace in non-english speaksing countries.
Even Luke's bird was angry
Morgan Freeman was asked how to combat racism he said stop talking about it.
12:00 - Luke explains Lenin's idea of democratic centralism
I agree with Linus. We should divide people based on nostril diameter.
I have worked for myself and others for 23 years...and there was never rules about what we can talk about...barring the policy surround data confidentiality and security. I mean, no one sits around randomly saying passwords allowed...right? Anyway, not until Trump did I ever encounter a "no religion, no politics" rule at an job. Not even in the school system was it ever said allowed...though I think it was assumed in the case of schools.
The CEO did the right thing.
Disagree
So glad Linus thinks the term HR sucks too. I always hated that term for exact same reason.
Thumbnail be like:
"This man moaned at least this loud"
i'm surprised there is so much confusion and upset people by this. Banning political and religious discussions is standard procedure at the vast majority of companies. It's not strictly enforced, but it has to be on the books so that when an employee complains because a coworker said something that upset them, the management can formally reprimand the offender. And without that on the books, it opens the door for lawsuits of hostile work environments. Someone could be talking about activist causes and making another person uncomfortable, but the uncomfortable person doesn't directly bring it up for a while and builds up a case for "the management did nothing, they let these conversations keep going on". And if it's not on the books, and you try to give an employee a verbal or written warning, they can fight it saying there is no company policy that states they can't have those conversations. So it's just a VERY standard "cover your butt" policy. It's more surprising that some companies haven't implemented it yet. And i've been around enough of those conversations, it usually only happens because two people have conflicting viewpoints, and the debate gets heated pretty quickly and work gets almost completely halted as they just start going off on each other until a supervisor intervenes. Loss of productivity isn't looked well upon at any company that actually makes profits.
Just because something is standard procedure does not make it morally just. Morality is not governed by 'oh but everyone else does it'. By that logic, why would people ban slavery in industry, everyone else does it. That argument sounds exactly the same. Politics is part of the human condition and the profits over people mentality inherently is politics. Even you saying that firms should ban political discussions, is a political statement and discussion. Ignoring politics is like having a fire in your living room and closing your eyes, thinking if you cant see it, it must not exist. Tech industry is filled to the brim with sexism and homophobia, especially in the older generation and needs to be dealt accordingly. Whether you like it or not, politics is everything and there's no running away from that fact.
Sounds like a super easy company to work for. They just got rid of some service that went above and beyond. I don't need work helping me spend my money at a farmers market... and I definitely don't want to talk politics or religion with Frank at work.
I don't understand the question. What do they mean by their Basecamp account? meaning they're using their own software and people are posting stuff within? Shouldn't this be a normal rule of thumb in a company? Or do they mean like Twitter Bob @ basecamp said something stupid.. and Bob shouldn't link his employer in his twitter account.?
basecamp is a company and a management software
Your first assumption is what they're talking about. Think of it like "No posting politics on our internal company forum board". Yes, this should be standard, but often is not. Particularly in companies based within large coastal cities (Basecamp is Chicago, but that's close enough). Here in Seattle I was hired to a company last July and the CEO likes to chat with new employees. It was great until they got to "We need to do more about Black and social justice issues," and I'm like, "I'm reading computer code for you. What does that have to do with social justice?"
Seeing them both in beards is like they hit puberty at the same time
Lol I'm a partner at my company I can say what ever I want at work, people just don't know how to talk to one another that's the biggest problem.
Don't complain if you don't have a solution is a bit a meaningless thing to say though. Sure, complaining for the sake of complaining isn't helpful, but pointing out a problem can be helpful even if you don't have the solution ready.
If a company hires someone to do a job, then they focus more on politics than doing that job, then how can they expect to keep it. Seems like changing the rules to reflect management's opinion on the problem, rather than outright firing people, was them saying "we don't wanna fall out over this".
I get the stance. As someone who's worked a lot of retail. From base level through to management you don't talk about governmental politics, or religion. Because nothing good can come of it. Sure you might luck out and someone agrees but what benefit does that have? And chances are if you are talking to more then one person someone in the group is going to disagree and passionately because religion and politics inspire passion in people. So yeah when I was a manager my rule was always no religious or political conversations with or around customers. What you did on break I didn't care about. But that was also a situation where no more then 2 people were on break at any one time. If I was running a large company where lots of people are afford the chance to speak to each other on the regular I probably would have had the same rule. No religion or political conversation during work hours.
People aren't referred to as human resources anywhere. That would at least acknowledge them. At best, they're numbers on a spreadsheet.
Human Resources departments are meant to be a group of people whose job is specifically to make sure the numbers on the spreadsheets are treated as people. The problem is, the people running the spreadsheets also determine how much money HR gets and don't like that they have to sacrifice some of their spreadsheet toward humanizing the jobs behind it. So HRs get pared down to the things that insurance companies require the guys with spreadsheets to pay for. Then the spreadsheet guys spend the minimum and make sure that the HR department is the first to be pared down should they need to make their spreadsheets look better. So what you end up with is a bunch of low paid robots whose job is actually to check boxes so they can report back to the insurance companies and regulatory bodies that they're doing all the things.
In the end, it's a set of checkboxes that the spreadsheet guys have to pay for.
I think the point of #stopasianhate is like an awareness thing. Like a lot of people don't keep up to date with the news but they might see a billboard wonder what that's supposed to mean and Google it
But Linus's point still holds up here. The people likely to see that billboard, ask themselves "What's up with that?", and search it up mostly likely didn't have any anti-racist thoughts in the first place, or at worst, have a few to some stereotypical opinions of Asians but won't actually act upon said opinions.
A little hashtag and a billboard relaying said hashtag isn't going to stop the target people of said hashtag.
The campaign wasn't about changing hate it was about trying to drum up support from the Asian community. Awareness campaigns don't change behaviors good people are already not participating and bad people don't change their bad behavior based on awareness.
It was yet another attempt to manipulate the public sentiment. It has all but disappeared in part because it didn't grab the traction they wanted. Also because certain aspects of the issue don't fit the narrative.
I think something like a billboard with that message is meant to make racist biggots less comfortable with expressing their hate, which is a great goal because that expression can be violent. It's about showing opposition to their point of view so they feel less comfortable expressing it. Yeah, people might not change their minds, but if they think the world will come after them for attacking an Asian grandma (for example), hopefully they won't.
So where is this hate? One guy shot up massage parlors because he had sexual emotional problem. The employees just happened to be mostly Asian. This does not translate to widespread hate. The closest thing to institutionalized discrimination against Asians is how Harvard changed their standards to accept fewer Asians (Google it). I am against discrimination enough to be against it when I see it, but not so much that I feel the need to invent it when I can't find any.
@@harrkev Here is one news story to check out. There are many more. beta.ctvnews.ca/national/coronavirus/2021/3/23/1_5358955.html
Wan show after wan show, Luke looks more like the basement feeling software dev he has become...that or a lumberjack.
Either way, he's working with logs. ;)
Linus walking on eggshells here.
I saw this really good interview about companies and politics. Basically how companies shouldn't do politics, but why are they saying employees cant be political.
13:20 ; One phrase we had to learn in an economics course at Uni was: " responsible use of human ressources, despite limited budget", I mean it makes sense, but it just felt wrong to read it like that
We had a class "People Management" which basically described human resources, and imo thats a way better term for it. Altough changing its name wont change its true meaning :p
A collegae was complaining on how he was treated. I pointed out to him how the department, that he thought should have helped him, where called. You're just another resource to them buddy...
The lingering at past decisions bit sounds like a way to shut people up about the change that they just made.
Re Severance: That was a very ballsy and honest move from the CEO. He knew many ppl wouldn't like it and would stay because they depend on the salary. That would brood resentment and toxicity. So he thought, let's bite the bullet and send them on their way, and start fresh. Major props to him/her.
Its more cowardly, to be unable to confront employees directly. Plus it didn't work for the company at all financially.
Respect my authorityyy
I think this is often ignored, but if a generous severance is offered, alot of people might take it regardless of any new rules.
5:53 Tinder: Muppet looking around meme