Yes I buy some ARX and I will pay again. I like the idea of supporting the work of the 'Team' Frontier. Just my contribution to the long lasting story...hope so. Keep the good work and see you all in the deep space 🫡 By the way the future Mandalay is awesome.👍
I agree 100%. The change brought me back after a long break. New ships, improved engineering, and still more to come. I happily pay for improvements the fan base is asking for.
Absolutely. Elite has a great foundation sort of speak, to build on. With the 1 to 1 scale galaxy , flight model, planet tech, etc.... . I'm loving it!
Yeah. 2 Ships in 6 years. Literally toxic gamedesign and the most boring and unfounded grind, compared to any game out there. Yeah. Keep supporting the lazy bunch that is frontier studios.
@@TheMasterdisaster14 I referred to fundamental topics, those you mention are more general, although important. And I'm able to enjoy the fundamental sound nature of Elite, with all the problems generally, aside.
The "in athmosphere flight" sounds a lot like what people been asking about for a while; planetary flight beyond what we got and actual like forest and water based worlds we can explore more closely. That would be really awesome. For my part i think we got way to many medium sized ships already, wish we had some more large ships or even a small ship. Though it seems all new ships are medium. Regarding the p2w stuff; yeh this is a better model than most other games and while we could wish they let us have more customnisation, its certainly not bad at all considering the alternatives.
@Ansicone I took it as simply a design that is cool looking and explains the higher speed and maneuvering stats useful for hunting exobiology- which is it's stated intended use case. No need for SLF hanger. We will not be getting trees and water and whatnot, atleast not with this current game engine.
So I did a few solo Titan bombing runs on Thor a couple of days before it exploded. Probably 50M worth in bonds. I understand that after each titan is destroyed that CMDR's now get some material rewards for our efforts, depending where we came, like top 75% etc. How do I see what I got ? Is there a inbox message ? I assume titan bombing counts for this reward or is it other AXI work only ?
I agree with your point on early access... I wanted the Python MKII, so I bought it early. I'll wait for the T8's free-launch, and will probably buy the new Mandalay.
The Asp Explorer. Yes it’s generally used for exploration but I have one fully engineered for combat and based on what I did with it the damn thing is a vicious fighter in the CZs and the Haz Res. IMO it will be a stretch to get it to PvP level but I did that to my I-Eagle (a build I came up with that nobody else in the community has done with that ship and which I have used in Shinrarta in PvP combat) so I think I will be successful with the Asp Explorer in PvP. My biggest issue right now is the speed which I need to increase from 502 m/s. To say flat out though that the Asp Explorer is bad for combat is absolutely wrong.
The Lockup on CMDR Death seems very similar to the Fixed Camera View you get for a few seconds when your Ship blows up and you see the pieces flying apart. I just dont know how on earth its possible that the Fixed Camera triggers on another CMDR than the one who dies lol
The monetization model upset me initially but after a few months off I'm starting to accept it for what it is. I'd rather see the game continue to develop and it appears the life cycle of the product is beyond future expansions so I'd rather have new ships and options for early access than nothing. I just hope they continue to improve and consider adding additional gameplay loops over time.
Part of me hopes that the new ships have been designed with Ship Interiors in mind. E.g they are scaled correctly internally (which I reckon is the reason they haven't done interiors so far, as all ships would need redesigning and scaling).
Good point about the damage cap on the core. If your in open there’s like 3-6 cmdr’s already hitting the core before you get there and by the time you start attacking the core it’s already down to %10 😅 makes the credit reward way worse.
While I am an avid PP player - but mostly on the BGS front where PP player factions fight against each other: it's all a big chess game, and we are really looking forward PP v2.0 with more strategic options and its renewed ties to BGS I can totally get why you are not a fun of current PP. BUT Important to note about the new ship: you mentioned we won't know specifics about its internals until October - According to past schedules, we can safely say we will learn about the Mandalay's the internal modules, hardpoints and maneuverability in the next FU, so last Wednesday of September.
Even the pre built ships don’t bother me. Everyone complaining about new players skipping the grind and getting an “advantage” in a game that’s been out for TEN YEARS. The ships are pretty moderate in terms of their capabilities and still require deliberate upgrading. I think FDEV has actually started respecting the players’ time. With the SCO drives and the engineering changes, you can actually spend way more time engaging with the game mechanics instead of grinding or waiting. Plus they have to make money to continue supporting the game which is fine with me. (To be clear I haven’t bought any prebuilt ships or even early access ships, they just don’t bother me.)
Fdev can take my money! defo getting early access for the mandalay. Might have to put my dbx into retirement :( Edit: Will you be attempting a hydra as you've done for the mk2 and type 8?
@Astyrrean Not saying you won't succeed :), It'd just be your first "Attempt" at killing a hydra in the mandalay, which I'm sure will end with a 60mil bond 😜.
Powerplay is a bit meh. Those item rewards are a bit useless too. I unlocked prismatics. Normal and bi-weave so much better in more situations. Now i am done with bgs? No other items worth getting. Jumping around, buying 10 media materials at a time
@@devoutrelic1228 No, the bans they did when the "feedback" towards odyssey was less than positive 🤣My account got banned because Artur the unimaginative said that he "Couldn't imagine what people would do with ship interiors" and I posted on the forums that "In that case, maybe they need to hire someone imaginative" 🤣
You mean from the forums or inside the game? The Elite forum moderators are volunteers and very trigger-happy folks from Canonn. So unfortunately it may be tricky. But if you submit a support ticket actual FDEV support might look into it. A game ban for a comment like that OTOH sounds really harsh if that was the case!
@@Astyrrean They banned people for similar things on the forums and on twitch, not the game thankfully. But until they acknowledge they messed up with odyssey and how they handled player reactions they havent changed their attitude at all imo.
I really don't look forward to PP 2.0... Our faction is at the edge of the current PP Bubble and we have 2-3 systems that are exploited by a power and I am really not one for getting years of BGS progress destroyed bcs of the PP bubble expanding bcs ppl play it more and messing with our BGS. BGS itself without outside interference is a lot of work... don't need the extra workload
Good, I'd rather a delay leading to a better update than Odyssey 2.0. Fdev are reworking something that practically nobody at the company first worked on, there's going to be issues down until the last minute.
@@Clockdistrict It's better to release late and alright, than on schedule and terrible, but I fail to see how a fact that we have a further delay is any "good". Granted that I'm not really quite excited for the PP2.0 itself and I'm not really sad or disappointed by this delay - honestly, I don't feel like it'll have a big and great impact on the way (don't get me wrong, I don't mind it of course, having some little trinkets different depending on the PP is nice, but not much more for the most players) - but it's a feature that was planned to release in early 2023, so it already had a healthy 1.5 years of delay and will be closer to 2 when it releases. I'm afraid it'll be symptomatic of how it'll still be with FDev moving forward. They're again waited to deliver us the news about having to delay again till the "last minute" again. When was their "great and terrible brand new feature" first talked about? And they haven't even given us the release window nor have they told us what the feature is - hopefully it'll be something more substantial and worth of the wait under the veil of secrecy than PP2.0. That's after they've said they're gonna be more open and honest in how their communication with players. I'm not saying it's doom and gloom - but I'm not at all surprised by this delay, and yeah, I don't see how the situation can be called "good".
Ha, interesting that people notice on YT as well! Yes, down from 82kg to 74kg ... goal is to get to 70kg and then put some muscle mass on ... we shall see! Almost there!
I am still not happy with this P2W system. Mostly because I feel that I don't get anything. If I buy the cheap "early acces" kit for the new ships, I don't get anything permanent. When the 3 months elapses I won't have anything, not even a paintjob for the new ship. The expensive "early access" is just too expensive for me, so I just wait. This new system is not catastrophical, it could be much much worse. And if it serves as a firefighting to get out the economical pit for the greater good, then I believe most of us are willing to accept it, but only if it won't get worse. The problem is that it is a slippery slope, and while the current form is acceptable for the greater good, I don't want it to serve as a staging ground to introduce more and worse P2W stuff.
P2W is not the term you should be using at all for this. The ships you can buy are way worse than if you just did everything yourself, people who put in the work still have the major advantage. Not everyone has the time to do all that however, even with the new changes to engineering and material collection. This also allows Frontier to make more money to continue making the game we love better. This is only a win-win for everyone involved, even the people who don't buy the early access ships. The slippery slope thing IS a valid concern though, so we should definitely keep an eye on it, but right now I consider this to be one of the best implementations of monetization I've ever seen in a game.
@@devoutrelic1228 paying to play ships beforehand is pay2skip, and pay2skip is a pay2win type. The very first thing to not let these to slip down on the slippery slope is to understand that this is already P2W, even if it is very mild type, and acceptable.
@@devoutrelic1228 Paying to play with new ships beforehand is pay2skip, and that is a type of pay2win. The first step to not let to slip down on the slope is to understand that this is already p2w even if it is very mild and acceptable.
@@Neo-vz8nh Except you don't technically NEED to use real money. While difficult to do and time intensive, I paid for my early access Python MK2 with ARX I got solely through gameplay. Also, paying to skip is only pay to win if the new feature is inherently better than previous features, and honestly? Not a big fan of the Python MK2, the optional slots are horrible.
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Yes I buy some ARX and I will pay again. I like the idea of supporting the work of the 'Team' Frontier. Just my contribution to the long lasting story...hope so. Keep the good work and see you all in the deep space 🫡 By the way the future Mandalay is awesome.👍
You go brave Commander! Fly safe.
I agree 100%. The change brought me back after a long break. New ships, improved engineering, and still more to come. I happily pay for improvements the fan base is asking for.
i hope the message will be clear, play with friends not alone. We are bringing dark and lonely times rn
Totally agree. I have no problem dropping $15 a couple times a year to support the cause and keep this game moving into the future.
Absolutely. Elite has a great foundation sort of speak, to build on. With the 1 to 1 scale galaxy , flight model, planet tech, etc.... .
I'm loving it!
Yeah. 2 Ships in 6 years. Literally toxic gamedesign and the most boring and unfounded grind, compared to any game out there. Yeah. Keep supporting the lazy bunch that is frontier studios.
@@TheMasterdisaster14 I referred to fundamental topics, those you mention are more general, although important.
And I'm able to enjoy the fundamental sound nature of Elite, with all the problems generally, aside.
Just because you don't know how to play the game it doesn't mean the devs are lazy @@TheMasterdisaster14
When Mechan talks, FEDV listens.
Great points, couldnt agree more.
The "in athmosphere flight" sounds a lot like what people been asking about for a while; planetary flight beyond what we got and actual like forest and water based worlds we can explore more closely. That would be really awesome.
For my part i think we got way to many medium sized ships already, wish we had some more large ships or even a small ship. Though it seems all new ships are medium.
Regarding the p2w stuff; yeh this is a better model than most other games and while we could wish they let us have more customnisation, its certainly not bad at all considering the alternatives.
@@elvfrem that definitely sounded like a hint
@Ansicone I took it as simply a design that is cool looking and explains the higher speed and maneuvering stats useful for hunting exobiology- which is it's stated intended use case. No need for SLF hanger. We will not be getting trees and water and whatnot, atleast not with this current game engine.
So I did a few solo Titan bombing runs on Thor a couple of days before it exploded. Probably 50M worth in bonds. I understand that after each titan is destroyed that CMDR's now get some material rewards for our efforts, depending where we came, like top 75% etc. How do I see what I got ? Is there a inbox message ? I assume titan bombing counts for this reward or is it other AXI work only ?
4:20 thank goodness it's not just me that keeps calling it PowerPoint :)
I agree with your point on early access... I wanted the Python MKII, so I bought it early. I'll wait for the T8's free-launch, and will probably buy the new Mandalay.
The Asp Explorer. Yes it’s generally used for exploration but I have one fully engineered for combat and based on what I did with it the damn thing is a vicious fighter in the CZs and the Haz Res. IMO it will be a stretch to get it to PvP level but I did that to my I-Eagle (a build I came up with that nobody else in the community has done with that ship and which I have used in Shinrarta in PvP combat) so I think I will be successful with the Asp Explorer in PvP. My biggest issue right now is the speed which I need to increase from 502 m/s. To say flat out though that the Asp Explorer is bad for combat is absolutely wrong.
I'd be interested in that IEagle build, would you mind sharing it?
@@miltenignis1017 if you are on PC and join our squad then I’ll share it. 277th Rapid Response Division (RRDV).
The Lockup on CMDR Death seems very similar to the Fixed Camera View you get for a few seconds when your Ship blows up and you see the pieces flying apart.
I just dont know how on earth its possible that the Fixed Camera triggers on another CMDR than the one who dies lol
That’s actually very insightful!
The monetization model upset me initially but after a few months off I'm starting to accept it for what it is. I'd rather see the game continue to develop and it appears the life cycle of the product is beyond future expansions so I'd rather have new ships and options for early access than nothing. I just hope they continue to improve and consider adding additional gameplay loops over time.
Part of me hopes that the new ships have been designed with Ship Interiors in mind. E.g they are scaled correctly internally (which I reckon is the reason they haven't done interiors so far, as all ships would need redesigning and scaling).
This will never happen. They couldn't even make new cockpits on the new ships, lol
Good point about the damage cap on the core. If your in open there’s like 3-6 cmdr’s already hitting the core before you get there and by the time you start attacking the core it’s already down to %10 😅 makes the credit reward way worse.
While I am an avid PP player - but mostly on the BGS front where PP player factions fight against each other: it's all a big chess game, and we are really looking forward PP v2.0 with more strategic options and its renewed ties to BGS I can totally get why you are not a fun of current PP. BUT Important to note about the new ship: you mentioned we won't know specifics about its internals until October - According to past schedules, we can safely say we will learn about the Mandalay's the internal modules, hardpoints and maneuverability in the next FU, so last Wednesday of September.
Even the pre built ships don’t bother me. Everyone complaining about new players skipping the grind and getting an “advantage” in a game that’s been out for TEN YEARS. The ships are pretty moderate in terms of their capabilities and still require deliberate upgrading.
I think FDEV has actually started respecting the players’ time. With the SCO drives and the engineering changes, you can actually spend way more time engaging with the game mechanics instead of grinding or waiting.
Plus they have to make money to continue supporting the game which is fine with me. (To be clear I haven’t bought any prebuilt ships or even early access ships, they just don’t bother me.)
they should up the wing limit from 4 to 6, or have better instancing and mission parameters for some true "raid" style content similar to most MMO's.
hey theres no loot boxes, routine passes or pay walls this is the best monetization going in a older game.
PP2 must be open only if it is to be any different from the current PP
Also don't use the shift f10 super resolution screenshot thing
In a multiplayer instance
It can dc sometimes for other cmdr in instance
It’s Alt+F10 but indeed, don’t do it in large private groups!
Fdev can take my money! defo getting early access for the mandalay. Might have to put my dbx into retirement :(
Edit: Will you be attempting a hydra as you've done for the mk2 and type 8?
“Attempting”? When have I not succeeded? ;)
If it’s got more than 2 small hardpoints overall, yeah, sure.
@Astyrrean Not saying you won't succeed :), It'd just be your first "Attempt" at killing a hydra in the mandalay, which I'm sure will end with a 60mil bond 😜.
Powerplay is a bit meh. Those item rewards are a bit useless too.
I unlocked prismatics. Normal and bi-weave so much better in more situations. Now i am done with bgs? No other items worth getting. Jumping around, buying 10 media materials at a time
If frontier want to really show they have changed, how about unbanning the people they hit when they released odyssey?
...You mean the massive wave of hacking bans they did that massively improved the quality of open play?
@@devoutrelic1228 No, the bans they did when the "feedback" towards odyssey was less than positive 🤣My account got banned because Artur the unimaginative said that he "Couldn't imagine what people would do with ship interiors" and I posted on the forums that "In that case, maybe they need to hire someone imaginative" 🤣
You mean from the forums or inside the game? The Elite forum moderators are volunteers and very trigger-happy folks from Canonn. So unfortunately it may be tricky. But if you submit a support ticket actual FDEV support might look into it. A game ban for a comment like that OTOH sounds really harsh if that was the case!
@@Astyrrean They banned people for similar things on the forums and on twitch, not the game thankfully. But until they acknowledge they messed up with odyssey and how they handled player reactions they havent changed their attitude at all imo.
@@shaeleable That's not Frontier though. Frontier aren't the moderators on the forums, people from the community are.
I really don't look forward to PP 2.0...
Our faction is at the edge of the current PP Bubble and we have 2-3 systems that are exploited by a power and I am really not one for getting years of BGS progress destroyed bcs of the PP bubble expanding bcs ppl play it more and messing with our BGS.
BGS itself without outside interference is a lot of work... don't need the extra workload
Unlocked what?
Thor was great with 2 cmdrs outfitted with shards you dont even need to get all 8 vents for full damage.
😄
A delay, who would have thought
Good, I'd rather a delay leading to a better update than Odyssey 2.0. Fdev are reworking something that practically nobody at the company first worked on, there's going to be issues down until the last minute.
@@Clockdistrict It's better to release late and alright, than on schedule and terrible, but I fail to see how a fact that we have a further delay is any "good". Granted that I'm not really quite excited for the PP2.0 itself and I'm not really sad or disappointed by this delay - honestly, I don't feel like it'll have a big and great impact on the way (don't get me wrong, I don't mind it of course, having some little trinkets different depending on the PP is nice, but not much more for the most players) - but it's a feature that was planned to release in early 2023, so it already had a healthy 1.5 years of delay and will be closer to 2 when it releases.
I'm afraid it'll be symptomatic of how it'll still be with FDev moving forward. They're again waited to deliver us the news about having to delay again till the "last minute" again. When was their "great and terrible brand new feature" first talked about? And they haven't even given us the release window nor have they told us what the feature is - hopefully it'll be something more substantial and worth of the wait under the veil of secrecy than PP2.0. That's after they've said they're gonna be more open and honest in how their communication with players.
I'm not saying it's doom and gloom - but I'm not at all surprised by this delay, and yeah, I don't see how the situation can be called "good".
It seems like you've lost weight.
Ha, interesting that people notice on YT as well! Yes, down from 82kg to 74kg ... goal is to get to 70kg and then put some muscle mass on ... we shall see! Almost there!
All those hours in zero-G, the body tends to shed unneeded mass.
I am still not happy with this P2W system. Mostly because I feel that I don't get anything. If I buy the cheap "early acces" kit for the new ships, I don't get anything permanent. When the 3 months elapses I won't have anything, not even a paintjob for the new ship. The expensive "early access" is just too expensive for me, so I just wait.
This new system is not catastrophical, it could be much much worse. And if it serves as a firefighting to get out the economical pit for the greater good, then I believe most of us are willing to accept it, but only if it won't get worse. The problem is that it is a slippery slope, and while the current form is acceptable for the greater good, I don't want it to serve as a staging ground to introduce more and worse P2W stuff.
P2W is not the term you should be using at all for this. The ships you can buy are way worse than if you just did everything yourself, people who put in the work still have the major advantage. Not everyone has the time to do all that however, even with the new changes to engineering and material collection. This also allows Frontier to make more money to continue making the game we love better. This is only a win-win for everyone involved, even the people who don't buy the early access ships. The slippery slope thing IS a valid concern though, so we should definitely keep an eye on it, but right now I consider this to be one of the best implementations of monetization I've ever seen in a game.
@@devoutrelic1228 paying to play ships beforehand is pay2skip, and pay2skip is a pay2win type.
The very first thing to not let these to slip down on the slippery slope is to understand that this is already P2W, even if it is very mild type, and acceptable.
@@devoutrelic1228 Paying to play with new ships beforehand is pay2skip, and that is a type of pay2win.
The first step to not let to slip down on the slope is to understand that this is already p2w even if it is very mild and acceptable.
@@Neo-vz8nh Except you don't technically NEED to use real money. While difficult to do and time intensive, I paid for my early access Python MK2 with ARX I got solely through gameplay.
Also, paying to skip is only pay to win if the new feature is inherently better than previous features, and honestly? Not a big fan of the Python MK2, the optional slots are horrible.
@@devoutrelic1228 I don't think you understand the concept of p2w.
Another medium. Boring.