Linda Clair ‘I Am Enlightened’ Interview by Renate McNay
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- Linda Clair ‘I Am Enlightened’ Interview by Renate McNay
inda was born in Sydney in 1958. She had virtually no interest in meditation or spiritual matters until the age of 37, when she was introduced to Peter Jones, who became her first teacher. This meeting was an intense experience for her. There was a depth to the communication she had never experienced before, and it triggered a search for freedom, which was soon the major focus of her life. At this time she had two teenage children and was running a small business, but she managed to make time for intensive meditation. In 1997 she had a profound awakening during a ten-day retreat in northern New South Wales. She later described the experience as 'deeper than bliss'.
There was a marked change in her after the awakening, which was really a very strong glimpse of enlightenment. She knew now what was possible, and she also knew that she would not be satisfied until that state became permanent. She maintained the humble attitude of a student and continued to practice.
During this time she met the Japanese Zen Master, Hogen Yamahata, who also impressed her with his deeply enlightened presence and humility.
In 2004 she travelled to Japan and spent six weeks at a Zen monastery with Hogen-san's Master, Harada Tangen Roshi, known as Roshi Sama. Her time with him was intense. She sensed she was close to the culmination of her journey. She returned to Australia in a deeply detached, peaceful state. Roshi Sama gave her the name Dai'an Jishin, which translates as 'deep peace, compassionate heart/mind'. Her search ended during a ten-day retreat with Hogen-san at Springbrook, in the mountains behind the Gold Coast in Queensland.
'Everything changed. All fear disappeared. I was left with nothing and nothing to lose. The depth of peace and satisfaction overwhelmed me, and it continues to deepen every day. Life is immediate. There is no desire for anything more or different. This is enough.'
The transcript of this interview is available to view here.
www.conscious.tv/text/86.htm
The transcript of the guided meditation is available to view here.
www.conscious.tv/text/87.htm
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....what a GORGEOUS PERSON you are! I am so grateful for your presence in this world
Great courage, commitment and love. I love hearing the freshness of her direct experience and understanding. I found her perspective so clear and helpful. I was very surprised to see Linda aroused so much derision, anger and hatred, then I remembered the fate of the man who 2000 years ago proclaimed himself to be The Way, The Truth and The Life. The Son of God. In today’s language an enlightened being.
What i love with Linda is her silence and humility. Instead of parroting advaita concepts she has gone through a difficult purification process and matured into definite state about which many merely guess and talk.
Good video, though I haven't seen all of it. What strikes me most about Linda is how relaxed her face is.
I can relate to what she says. I also like her way of expressing 'this' as she is very .. blunt and transparent/honest. thanks
Wow...... " I can't remember what it's like to suffer."
Excellent interview. Inspiring. Great channel.
Funny when Renate says " when im looking at you I keep spacing out " ..I like this part...meeting everyone for the first time was the discussion ppint.it came through right there. . Than you!
The point of enlightenment is that there is noone there to be enlightened. :)
everybody is enlightened and thats all their is to it!😇😎
Renate asks a very clear question early on in this interview "but what were you seeing?" which unfortunately Linda is unable to answer in a clear and concise manner. Enlightenment is not whole bunch of NEW concepts and metaphors which are different to the BEFORE concepts and metaphors we had prior to meeting the mystical bloke who claimed to be enlightened. Mystical blokes can stimulate all sorts of imagined "states" which can last lifetimes. But there is a difference between something with tangible reality and being detached and peaceful. People who claim to be enlightened should really work on describing the experience.
This woman isn't offering gems of wisdom while spreading rose petals amongst rows of devotees, she's withholding highly sought answers, and neglecting direct questions wlth the sole purpose of selling her book..
.............yawn
@@elizabethecarlisle1045 I just hear a woman who is sharing her experience honestly.
There is no ‘should’ , she’s graciously sharing her experience in the best way she can.
She said she saw herself. Freedom
It was very clear to me and is exactly what I want and what I see in her…. to the extent I am able.
@Emerito, Professor of Love! my point is to the comment above that she was asked: what did she see - and she was unable to answer.
My statement is she did answer. She said she saw herself, her potential. That is a very clear, concise, direct response.
Funny, lots of negative posts because she used the phrase "I am enlightened" -- which is a taboo in the nonduality circle. However, she explained why she used the term as a sign post for people looking for an enlightened teacher -- even though she is very aware that there is no one who is enlightened.
The key thing I took away was in her meditation when she said that "the body is an illusion -- but the closest thing to reality that we have to guide us" (paraphrasing). I have noticed as well that the energy and feelings within the body is the doorway. I appreciate her words.
I just discovered enlightenment wasn't what I thought it was. I was wrong about everything. Now I'm doing much better.
I am not feeling anything from her but I guess I am sceptical and negative . Maybe her life has changed that radically she feels enlightened compared to what she was . Has she reached some great truth or knowing I guess only she knows but the very best to her on her journey
Ok..I believe she had an awakening but the question arises, to what degree?
I'm with the understanding that there are levels of awakening.
+GnosisMan50 Enlightenment can happen to anyone at any time and anywhere and with any yard stick. Maybe not cool enough for you or me. Love her truth.
The easiest way to discover whether or not an individual is enlightened, pay close attention to a particular series words that they all utter.... The moment you hear these individuals describe themselves as "enlightened" is the very moment you can be sure that they are not.
People commenting are worried by her ordinariness, she may not be perfectly enlightened but in Buddhist terms she may have achieved stream entry, therefore she won’t fall back but she will still have awareness to deepen, delusions and clinging to dissolve and still have plenty of residual ego and resistance to transform.
I think enlightenment is a false concept, a head game that some people play with themselves. Rather, there are only expanding levels of awareness - not some specific point in time where one instant before that point you're "ignorant," and the next instant, you are fully aware of the true nature of reality. Cheers.
why believe it before it happens to you?
Great meditation at the end. It really got me in to it! Nice interview ladies
I liked her a lot! She gets my vote..
wow
The transcript of this interview is available to view here.
www.conscious.tv/text/86.htm
The transcript of the guided meditation is available to view here.
www.conscious.tv/text/87.htm
To the naysayers : How about just saying well good for her she may well have got it. "Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery none but ourselves can fee our minds". If we are honest with ourselves we will see that only by ourselves can we free ourselves. So if someone is (or even may be)free wish them well. It may just help you get there too. But if you wish to wallow in doubt and suffering well you are free to for as long as you like! All good things truly and really.
Winning is losing and losing is winning
Say no to competition and duality and inequality and prostitution and porn and multiple partners, say no to illness and disease and the love and knowledge and respect that breaks hearts or bodies and creates death instead of space for life (plus if there is one solution for all the problems may that happen too)
I'm not convinced here
37:15 "i can't remember what it's like to suffer"
Wow I wish I could say that some day
@@rumpsugg yeah I've had enough of that certainly.
Seeking personified. If this is enlightenment then who wants it
Yes its just ordinary
I do
How can one say they are enlightenment, if there is no I?
So what we decide who wants to live and doesn't? along with the time? Real and fake drama? To create fear and hurt?
I am always wary of people who deem it necessary to proclaim they are enlightened. Enlightenment is dissolution of the personal self so who can claim it? It certainly makes for a good sales pitch if you are promoting a book though! Something tells me that Renate is not even convinced; 30:50.
+Ur gulp
Actually, no less than Nisargadatta Maharaj, the renowned Indian sage, once said that about himself when speaking with someone who showed up at this residence. He added that it was a three year process. It's in that book, "I am That."
kwixotic I have read the book but do not recall his admission. Can you post the full quote?
+kwixotic Another quote from Sri Nisargadatta; " 'I Am' is The Impersonal Being, 'I am this' is creating a person".
She say's; "reality is something you're in".. and that's what enlightenment is. Vedanta calls this indirect knowledge or self realization. Enlightenment/self-actualization is direct knowledge with no veil at all.. Let me see if I can explain here: To be in something would mean that there is something more or higher than you the self. There is only one self or essence here. Non duality means; "I am reality". So direct self-knowledge is:- Reality is something I am. This is why Linda say's that "she" is enlightened. Actually everyone is in the light by default. She has just become aware of this fact. She actually has another step to take and Vedanta would close the show for her. But she thinks that she is a teacher now. She say's at the end of the interview that freedom is the most difficult thing in the world, that is was incredibly hard. When a person is qualified according to Vedanta i.e they are dispassionate and discriminating with a burning desire for freedom then enlightenment is very easy because.. the I is already free! It is the light in which everything appears, actionless limitless whole and complete aware conscious existence. It is so simple an 8 year old could understand it, and many have.. Knowledge does the work itself. Reality is something that is always here and reality/awareness at a certain point because of the deeply inward turned mind re-places the ego with the knowledge "I am ever free whole and complete ,limitless consciousness. From this point on we are the light looking through an apparent person looking out at the world, which is seen as non-separate from Me-the light and this real I, I am unlimited, boundless eternal LIFE.
I think she is awakening on thinking level, but not one the level of pure consciousness!
The real deal. Can’t you see it/ feel it?
@Emerito, Professor of Love! I don’t know if it’s special but it serves me because she can guide me to it. Very practically like any other guide or skill.
The sentence. I am enlightened. So centered in the ego. There are no pronouns in enlightenment. She is in a place where she has a point of view.
I am enlightened is an oxmoron.
What an odd title - as if there is a noun, "enlightenment," this external thing we seek. Seems bizarre to me. Body-minds come & go, but not awareness - not Spirit or whatever ridiculous noun we use to represent That. We, as That, just are - just is - just am.
Yet our playground, i.e., Cosmos, is infinite-eternal. Lifetimes, bodies, planes, dimensions - perhaps they are the rides at the divine fun park? Do we truly believe there is some heaven that is an end to our trek? Some enlightenment that is an end, a final arrival? Into what?
Who/what wants an end, anyway? Ends & beginnings partake of time, which we know, in higher consciousness, is illusory - sensible & useful tho it is in 3D. What end is not equally a new beginning? Is there one teacher, one teaching suitable for all?
There are endless awakenings that bring truly deep internal change. There will always be another layer/level/step/mountain to enjoy - in the realm of 3D. To higher consciousness - all just Now - nothing behind, nothing ahead at all. This step, this Now - IS the destination, IS the point. It goes beyond mind.
All of this doing - practices, dogmas, methods - doing, doing, doing. I see it as evidence of mind running the show - rather than That - awareness - that which cannot be named.
And why can there not be many ways into realization of That? There are many & diverse flowers, yes? What if all the birds had to sing the "right" song - wear the "right" plumage? An obscenity, yes? Let us sing our song, not to enlighten or correct or inform anyone, but for the simple joy of singing - for the beauty, the bliss of song. The Robin is not right & the Blue Jay wrong. Or - what if we've got Robins trying to teach Blue Jays to sing? LOL. Makes about as much sense as one way/path/enlightenment.
Seems to me my way isn't the "right" way for anyone but self. And that is fun. Just to be in Now, in simple Joy of Being - to shine as the sun for no cause beyond Being. Sun = shining. Unconditional, nonjudgmental shining - loving my path, but loving/respecting the path of each one. Each Inner Self is the perfect Guide - for that self :))
Besides, the differences of the seeming "others" spice up the journey. No one is completely clear in 3D - it's not the realm for that, this realm where our perfection can be found in our imperfection - where every coin has 2 sides. Perhaps we're trying to use a screwdriver to do the job of a hammer - or a cake to do the job of a violin? Yum. Always something to teach, something to learn - in 3D. Why? For joy. Or - why not? :-)
~♥~
I agree.
The buddha reached a state of no body mind identification and still recognized it wasnt full enlightenment.
Theres always more growth to be made. Personal evolution is like pulling weeds. Theres always going to be something to pull. Once you pull ALL of it, you'll be there. Temporarily. Because everything is temporary and just like weeds, something else will arise and the perfect state will be gone untill you start pulling those weeds again.
People who claim to reach the "end" are merely ignoring the weeds in their backyard that have grown again.
Unless i experience an end to this cycle, i will not claim there is one.
Well, besides literal death ofc. Lol.
...humans...
I am very disappointed in this interview. It reduced awakening and enlightenment to a totally self-centered, narcissistic pursuit where only a select few can hope to achieve freedom. Her viewpoint is more reminiscent of medieval clergy who read the bible in Latin in order to maintain their power and false superiority. If awakening is in her view such a rare thing then it offers no purpose and has no relationship to the wholeness that is supposedly what consciousness is. It is then just another way self-obsessed spiritual egos aggrandize themselves and place themselves above others. I hope this lady turns her attention back on her family and stops trying to spread an extremely masochistic form of spirituality that only a reserved few samurai diehards can ever hope to benefit from.
Davld Jenkins I see your point. There is lots of evidence these days that people realize this timeless reality without needing to go through such hardship. The genuine interest in recognising false beliefs does the job in many instances.
However, it is totally natural to look for happiness, and to deny this is another form of pretense. I would not call this natural urge a narcissistic pursuit. A narcissistic pursuit will prevent anyone from realizing the timeless. This interview is an example that shows that teachers draw on their own past experiences they had 'on their way' prior to their teaching. That seems to be only natural. I consider it inappropriate to suggest the need for suffering before freedom happens. Suffering happens or it doesn't, irrespective of any announcement that 'it HAS to happen.'
+Davld Jenkins
Those who fall into that trap are just spiritual snake oil salesmen, hardly representative of what genuine Enlightenment is. And yes, it is pretty much a rare thing if you take into the entire population of the Earth.
Davld Jenkins It is so rare because you have to lose everything and die to "achieve" it. Most people arent ready for that. Are you willing to put your family, career, .. everything on the table for freedom? You wont know what it will change in your daily life. You might end up as Ramana in a cave or as Francis Lucille, there is no knowing, and no manipulating out of fear. Most people dont want this. I'd say its only possible for those who have no choice. You have to be so discontent that you are willing to - figuratively speaking - throw yourself out of the window of a 100 story skyscraper. Everybody wants all the goodies, but nobody wants to pay for it. Lol!
I have spent 12 years with this lady Linda Clair. When I met Linda Clair I was very depressed & suicidal throught out my life. I had no understanding or interest of enlightenment or whatever anyone wants to call it. There was something nice about her & something inside me trusted her, when I had little trust in anything. Within 5 years my depression just didn;t exist anymore & it has been 9 years since I have had a suicide thought, when through out my life I have been plagued with them. My heart is now open more than ever & the love I feel today towards people especially around my family has been incredible. The one thing I have always loved about Linda is that she teaches through her experience. From my experience sItting with Linda, the only thing she has spread is Love.
@@ordinaryguy815 no, it's a false belief, a nutty concept that you have to lose everything - really? sounds like cultist, religious dogma..period.. nothing has to be or happen in any one way shape or fashion for everyone - that's silly! there are so many examples that bear this out...just smdh.
really poor guest. She gives no real wisdom or insight, makes exaggerated claims with no evidence and stumbles her way through basic questions. I'm sure she believes she's enlightened but this interview is frankly embarrassing. Her interview on BATGAP was terrible too.
I'm not even convinced she believes she's enlightened. The way she "stumbles her way through basic questions" as you corectly note, looks like a person who's trying to guess her way though (based on what she's read here and there).
As an example: 31:38
Linda: Enlightenment (...) was so difficult (...)
Renate: What was the most difficult thing?
Linda seems to think: "Darn, I can't think of anything..." and answers after 5 seconds: Everything... I can't pinpoint one thing.
Then, after 15 seconds, she's had some time to think and starts answering the question....
Oh no she's not
She can't answer a lot of the interviewer's easy questions. It would seem to me that with enlightenment would come wisdom and would be able to answer any question with a wise answer.
+D'andre Chesterfield
Not necessarily. It should include the humble admission or acknowledgement about the mysteries in life and that certain things are simply beyond our understanding. I'd be suspect about someone who claimed to have the "wisdom" to answer everything thrown at them.
They moved to be close to him?? This is what “enlightenment” is all about? Such an attachment to other people that you have to move to be close to strangers? Weird.
Not now keep 2 metres apart please
Sacrifice and violence towards any gender
Nope you are your teacher
I'm not convinced by this woman. She's just talking about herself and her life all the time. Sh's even a bigger ego than a normal person. Somebody enlightened would never say he's enlightended for there is no longer a "I" to make distictions.
Sounds like she was enlightened by peters Peeter. Lol
All this pretentious posturing... The woman has a self, is a self, is not extraordinary, is rather boring and uninteresting, is posturing in all the usual ways of the non-dual crowd. Do yourselves a great favor, and relegate all of these self-appointed and lightened ones to the scrap heap. Embrace yourself, your humanity, your emotions can don't fall into the trap of becoming a supposed vacancy where a human being used to be. Pinch you inadvertently step on your foot, and salt some aspect of your being which you are still attached to, and in a moment you shall find a real, living, reactive human being. Do not buy into these ultra precious discussions and their ultra precious pretenses. A word to the wise!
I feel no Love or Joy for life in Linda, I wonder if she should be teaching. If this is enlightenment, I will stop searching (lol, that will probably do it). The meditation felt rushed and mechanical.