We need to talk about Teenage Engineering (and GAS)
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- W need to talk about Teenage Engineering (and GAS)
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0:00 My Discord is Poppin’
0:11 About Teenage Engineering
4:45 GAS and the gear / synth industry
7:20 When does GAS become a problem ? (in my opinion)
8:30 Teenage Engineering’s Impact on GAS
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The poor quality control, the lack of documentation and the crap customer support are the things that bug me about TE.
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@@LiamKillen thumbs down you agree?
I had the same thing when I bought the OP-Z. I had all the problems: bending, double triggers, oplab module doesn't fit. It lasted about 18 months, then became practically un-sellable. And I take care of my gear.
I was on board with them until I experienced one of their products. But, I'd never buy from them again, and I advise everyone against doing so.
If style over substance was a tech brand, it'd be TE.
I am so incredibly let down with the way they handled the opz.. so much so that despite loving it I sold it and never bought a op1 field or will I buy a new opz field either.. completely over anything like that from them..
Yet just like in this video.. they suckered me again somehow and I did buy a ep133 despite really not wanting to support them.. and I absolutely love it.. everything it lacks compared to the competition, is what makes it so incredible.. it is just so much fun to use and I love how it is so customizable.. it does only exactly what I need and does it in a fun and super concentrated easy way.. I hate to support them, but they knocked it out the park with that knockout..lol
I had gas for the Monomachines, but the bugs made me angry, so I resold it.
Now it costs millions 😅
Gas seems manifest itself near the end of day. The secret is to sleep it off, and see how you feel about it. Clarity is somehow better in the morning as compared to lower will power in the evening.
Wise words my friend
It's an amazing phenomena that most buying decisions are easier to take during the night time.
Shit almost every day a browse web and Im like "Why do I even think about buying this thang when I have never thought about it before?"
3am scrolling TH-cam is the worst time for impulse purchases. I’ve bought so much TE stuff and it’s all in a drawer untouched for months like a box of pebbles.
@@markstephenson9280 Thanks for making me feel better on a rainy day in late June.
That is even scientifically accurate. There are whole economic models based on this, people that bet against people that buy stock late at night (bc their judgment is impaired). Neuro-economics
That whole "I buy a piece of gear to rush to make an ad about it using my lifetime of experience as a musician... and then publish it on a platform I spent years building" part... that's at a similar depth as humans being a part of the universe looking inwards marveling of its own existence.
Your other point about that shiny new gear chipping away from the time you could spend mastering your existing gear is also spot on. Yes, exploring different workflows to understand which ones you enjoy the most is worth it, but only to a degree.
Thanks for a great video.
It’s my pleasure! Thx as always for your addition here and for watching 😊
When you look at the groovebox market, TE just doesn't make a compelling full featured product and probably never will. Anyone who's been around the space for more than a couple of years has ended up choosing 1 of 3 workflow options. 1. Elektron 2. MPC 3. Tracker (M8 or Polyend). Just choose one of the 3 workflows and go with it. Learn the device you choose well, and forget TE ever existed.
You’re forgetting Roland but also yes
@@LiamKillen Your right. Roland too (begrudgingly)
Deluge
I have learned to spend as little time as possible talking about Teenage Engineering.
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During lockdown I bought a PO-33 and discovered the world of music. After I learned a machine I bought the next step up. Now I have Elektron products and really, that is the end goal for me. Learning to make music through these machines while having fun. Getting the machines and learning them is part of me learning to make music. And all of it is fun.
That’s the ultimate end goal!
As Im learning to make some music (my girlfriend calls them techno noises), I ran into Ableton's website, it has a "learn music" link, which is pretty cool as it brushes on the surface of many topics, and it is not super dense, and you have some exercises as you go along. As you go along you see some popular songs being dissected so you see how to build some parts yourself.
I watch your channel to avoid purchasing gear I don’t need. So in many ways you are the GAS antidote. I also like the fact that you are usually not a day one guy. I prefer reviews, tutorials, and jams on gear that you have worked with for a while.
Don't forget about their involvement with Nothing (the electronics company). I personally believe a huge part of their success as a brand new entrant into the smartphone/smartphone accessories industry has to do with Teenage Engineering doing the industrial design.
They really are the kings of design
They also worked on Rabbit…
@@akuro2685 that's featured in the video..
@@akuro2685Did you watch the video?
I don't see them ever stopping production of the OG pocket operators but with the K.O. II it seems pretty clear that they're done with expanding what was once their cheapest range of synths. I wish they ended up going to production with the individual synth modules from the po modular range because those had a very strong DIY ethos. I'll always be a fan of the "metal series" pocket operators ever since I purchased a used tonic but to me it's clear TE are moving towards being more of a design firm and luxury brand. They fully take advantage of drop culture, the magic speaker, field desk and the collab with Off-White were unfortunately just the beginning.
Great take on this- thx for adding this!
This is why my favorite videos of yours are those where you have someone on who talks about how they set up their live sets, or when you talk about how pt together your own setup. There are so many companies and people trying to sell me something all day long, its refreshing to just see how you all are making music.
Exactly!!!
Not referring to Teenage Engineering, but if it helps smaller synth companies survive by selling desirable trinkets to non musicians, then good for them, the rest of us benefit. Hello Elektron 😉
lol- yes … hello Elektron!
I’ve always appreciated your honesty and joy. It’s good to talk bout this kind of thing.
Absolutely 😊 thx as always for watching
great video. thank you for being so honest!
Pleasure! Thx for watching
looking forward to your future posts and how they relate to this one...cheers!
I got some dope set ups coming up
Thanks! A very good and important video. I like your honesty!
Always a pleasure! Thx for watching
Thanks for keeping it honest, vulnerable, and genuine!
🤝
Thanks for that, Liam. Nice to hear an honest assessment of "GearTube" in general, and to be reminded that the goal is to actually make music, not just to accumulate more stuff. I think there's a fine line - especially when you're new - between finding the pieces that you really vibe with and simply buying into the hype. There's a lot of amazing gear that doesn't get much attention, and for me, it's often the more obscure items that end up being the most essential - not because of their obscurity per se, but because they're uniquely suited for the role they play in my setup.
For anyone that reads this, here's a tip when it comes to GAS: try to identify what your setup is missing first, then, once you have an idea of what you need, start looking for synths that have those features. While it might seem obvious, I think we're all guilty of doing the opposite sometimes; we buy a piece of gear because it has a great set of features, and then we try to shoehorn it into our workflow. That's not always a bad thing (it's how I came to own the Octatrack, which I absolutely love, and which has totally changed the way I make music), but oftentimes it's the reason a purchase leaves us feeling underwhelmed or frustrated - we get ourselves worked up, thinking of all the amazing things we could do with some unit or another, spend hundreds or thousands of dollars to acquire it, only to find out that our music sucks as bad (or worse) than it did before.
Don't worry. It happens to all of us.
There's nothing wrong with buying gear. I love it, personally, and I've probably got more than I need right now. I know I do, actually, and pretty soon I'll probably have to sell a few things off to make way for whatever's next. Buying gear is fun, but it's more fun when you get it right - when you hook up that new synth, and it fills the exact niche you were looking to fill, and suddenly everything clicks, and your workflow gets easier, and your music sounds better, and you start having more fun... that's when you know you chose wisely: another piece of the puzzle falls into place, and you get one step closer to wherever it is you're trying to get.
This video is a pretty good example of what I mean: th-cam.com/video/OwTLnQ9VmX0/w-d-xo.html (it also happens to be the first of Liam's videos I ever watched). Keep up the great work, homie. ♥
There’s def a sense of hoarding in the gear / TH-cam community
Very thoughtful video. 12 years later i’m still rocking an OG OP-1
Hell yeah
I’ve learned a lot from your Discord ❤
Thx for being there 😊
99% of modern gear is all hype and geared (no pun intended) to make us feel like we're not relevant musically unless we have the shiny new product advertised! I do have a resentment to a lot of content creators not just in music but in the photography business too! The camera industry releases more cameras 4k 6k 8k more pixels more features etc. When most people view photos and video content from their 5 inch phone screens when you can't tell the difference between 4k and 8k on something so small!
Props to you for making this video and explaining how we're all getting taken for a ride with these gear companies!
Yeah it’s a problem- i admit it’s hard to navigate that balance though as a creator
well thought out and even handed vid, dude. thanks
It’s my pleasure
Bravo! Best video!
Thx for watching!
I was really hoping to see a clip of my Grip Car video in this video! Appreciate the chat, Liam.
Haha! Thx for dropping by
Interesting video. Definitely agree with a lot of what you talked about. For me, videos of the OP1 got me into groove boxes and “dawless”. I never got an OP1 but my first hardware was a KO33 and it just opened my eyes so much to how fun music can be outside the computer. Before that I was only making music in FLStudio and had kind of taken a break from it. So from that standpoint I owe a lot to TE for getting me back in in such a strong way. Since then I have gotten an OPZ and Dirtywave M8 and couldn’t be happier. Haven’t opened FLStudio since. I agree that it’s a problem when you feel the need to collect them all though. Especially at their current prices. I think it was essential to me to choose to master the gear I have before getting new gear. Certainly a problem in the community though.
Thx for watching and for this addition! 😊
This is by far the best video I’ve seen from you in my opinion. I like your content, but this video really invokes thought and self-reflection, as well as shows us a little bit more about you as a person, and I appreciate that a lot.
It’s a pleasure- thx for watching. The discussion’s already going further over on the Patreon if you’d like to invoke some more thought haha.
@@LiamKillen btw I’m not saying your other videos don’t. This one just got me, probably because I saw it as I’m scrolling reverb looking for my next piece of gear when I really should be paying down my credit cards rather than spending more. I’ve been struggling with GAS for years now.
This is a great video! Thank you for addressing this topic and kudos for not excluding yourself. Teenage Engineering POs are a great gateway into the electronic music world as well as GAS. A good way to curve the GAS is also selling your gear. I had some POs but really wanted the OP-1. I ended up selling my PO's for an OP-1 which I don't regret. When the OP1 Field came out shortly afterward I got my OP 1, I had no interest in the OP1 Field and still am happy with that decision. Maybe TE has hit a ceiling, which is fine because they still have very strong products and are always find ways to improve themselves. I still reference your TE videos and tutorials. Thanks again for addressing this and as always keep up the good work 🙌
My pleasure and thx for your take as well!
I find myself hopelessly buying new synths and groove boxes and never mastering anything. Then I sell them and start all over again. I see my character flaw but I haven’t fixed it yet.
It’s never too late!!
this is so true, Hologram has made me want to buy a chroma console so bad, but also realizing that i have great gear already, and don’t need to get more.
Good move!
Thanks for the heads up on this whole product driven world .. going out on a limb to highlight the highs and lows of this consumer ideology we all too often fall prey to ...as we are constantly being fed the idea that we absolutely " need " something .. when in fact if one steps back and reflects .. comes away realizing .. no.. i do not .. we all have our " weak spots " .. your video is a great wake up call to all of us to stop and think more before rushing into the purchase of a product whatever that product may be ... thanks for being open .. honest .. transparent ... we need more of that .. over .. buy .. buy .. buy! Cheers !
Thx for watching and of course…cheers to you!
Great video. I got into this channel (and back into making music) cause of the KO II. It was the first time in a long time i saw a thing i just had to have, even though i didn't know exactly what it did. The TE design ethos is powerful. I've just had to accept that this is my hobby now and i like to collect this stuff. I've since got an mpc key 61 and some other gear. I'll never go platinum, but there's something about messing around with black boxes that go bleepy bloop that makes a stressful day at work fade a little bit. Some guys collect $20k plus watches that they store in their closets. Other guys buy $10k mountain bikes that they never ride. Of the crazy expensive stuff to collect, i feel like synths aren't the worst thing... At least, that's what I've tried to convince my wife of
Haha thanks so much for watching! 🍻 and for your input
Hey Liam! Best experienced I can share is I bought the KO 2 on day one direct from TE. Took ages to arrive in Belfast. I made one TH-cam video and then soon realised I didn't need it and sold it soon after
You went through the cycle lol
I actually told my self that after the last module I bought in may, I will not buy another gear until next year. We'll see how that will workout by the end of the year.
You can do it!!
I am a designer and a music maker… but.. if the design is the main priority of a brand, without a specific and meaningful purpose, it is only a trendy product, not an essential creative tool. This, plus the pricy aspect makes TI a « non serious » brand in this specific industry. As simple as that!
Yeah they're targetting a different demographic for sure. That being said the devil's advocate is that there are some great beat makers using TE gear on the regular !
"what is right for you"
I think this is the key. It's easy to focus on the creator and or the company. The hard part is to look inward and be honest with yourself. Is it right for me. We already know how things work. We know the theory if something is too good to be true it is, yet still fall for it. The game changing moment is when we begin to make our own decisions vs being influenced by another human being.
Yes! And what’s right for you comes with experience- maybe it’s just part of the game
Great video. And i feel like you are being honestly honest. Unlike many other youtubers who do these honest videos, with honesty used as an instrument to make money.
That being said... Yes, you are right, there is a problem with GAS. But i feel like we should blame ourselves, not companies that are doing great products like TE.
Dont poop onto❤ TE. We are invaded by shitty products. TE, just like Apple, has been changing this for the better.
The internet is a reflection of human behaviour you’re right
Ey, me too…I wouldn’t have begun dawdles and grooveboxes without pocket operators
Well there ya go
Love it or hate it, and price aside, the OP1 Field is an absolutely amazing product. Sounds great, built like a tank, visually stunning
I agree with everything except built like a tank. I had to send my OG op1 back to TE twice to get it fixed
This video makes me want a Rabbit R1 even more! Lately I've been sucked into the TE rabbit hole(again after not liking the op1 years ago), KO2 then OP1 field, then m1, then OB4, then TX6, and then TP7... Today after about a week's ownership of the TP7 I got into a TE existential crisis thinking "have I fallen into a trap?"...I'm not sure, but what I do know is the design, aesthetics and playability of the TE stuff I value more than the pure functionality of them. If that weren't the case there isn't anything better for functionality than a DAW, no? What am I using my DAW for, loaded with great software, to watch this video. Not sure exactly if my point went through, but TE's design proposition I think to many out weighs their function proposition. When talking to other TE folk, a bunch are profitable off their music and aren't just hobbyists, but the TE designs help them(and myself) deal with gear and daw burnout.
Design is important too! But I noticed that other functionality takes a back seat as a result
My AuDHD brain has been totally sucked in to this cycle of lusting after the new thing while the other six samplers I own sit gathering dust. I made tons more music in the early 2000s when I just had a cracked copy of Sonic Foundry Acid, and then a proper copy of Ableton. Now I’m just overwhelmed by all the gear I own and I make hardly any music, and have a big credit card balance to try and clear down. I feel a bit stupid, tbh, but (and slightly off topic) I think this is just how high capitalism takes advantage of people who share my neurotype. Being able to ignore all the noise and actually focus on doing The Thing is very much the AuDHD experience. I haven’t found the answer yet but thank you for this video, I feel it’s helped me a step or several in the right direction on that!
I’m stripping down to a simpler set up and have also been wayyy more productive- it’s just the way it is!
don't blame your consumerism on your adhd
Have you checked out HealthygamerGG?
@@i-never-look-at-replies-lol Firstly it's AuDHD, secondly I'm not blaming anything on anything, I'm talking about my neurotype and how it influences my thought processes and behaviour, thirdly what's it to you anyway?
@@LiamKillen Definitely the way forward! Related: know anyone who wants to buy six samplers off me? :)
Thanks for a little honesty. There isn’t much in this space.
It’s my pleasure
If you stop thinking of it all as Gear and instead as Instrument, you start to treat it as such. Yeah, guitarists buy multiple guitars, bassists the same, drummers buy too many toms, etc...but they stick with a main one...and learn it and love it and it becomes a part of their sound.
Gear is instrument. Practice and master yours.
This is an amazing point!! That’s pretty much how I look at it
I literally bought a Roland mc 303 today because it’s cheap and works for what I need it to. Having said that though, holy moly are the urges to buy into GAS crazy, I want a digitakt II so bad almost purely because it’s the new shiny thing.
Yeah it’s bonkers - although gotta say…the D2 is fkn dope lol
I have a mc303. Its awesone.
@@LiamKillen Yeah, it's what's keeping me from just picking up a cheaper used D1, lol. But yeah, with a synth showcase every year and countless releases between, It's really hard to not just buy up every cool new thing.
@@ripmrnegativeOnly had this for a few hours, but already starting to love it, though I can definitely see where the complaints come from.
They also worked with ikea on a few things. I have a Bluetooth speaker from them that I got for $30 on sale a few years ago. The thing actually sounds pretty good for what it is. Definitely wanna try an OP-1 field though
Yes! Their aesthetic is perfect for ikea lol
Insightful....
Thx for watching 😊
Thank you.
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Yeah, spot on at the end there. Despite it being an overpriced toy mostly targeted towards yuppies, I do like how they’ve brought the power of design and form into the conversation. I have a modest amount of keyboards and instruments, but I don’t use them as often because I work at my desk and have to clear it off to switch to music. Meanwhile I use the OP1 every day as i can simply flick it on and get some ideas down. I also bring it around other musicians and they love it, and can start jamming immediately-(till it becomes awkward when they ask how much it costs). All to say that while its downsides are immediately apparent something here is working.
We’re having this whole discussion in my discord about how TE builds gear for now and not the future in terms of build quality
I'm as guilty as anyone with gear GAS...I can honestly say I have NEVER had any interest in anything TE makes
Interesting
Yeah, I think it’s pretty simple really.
Don’t buy products as soon as they are released, they invariably have bugs or missing features that the marketing hype doesn’t mention. Wait for all the early adopters to find those issues for you. Then, if after the hype has died down, and you still want the damn thing, pick it up on the cheap, second hand a few months later - but only if it really fills a need in your workflow.
Simple.
It seems to be the norm these days
@@LiamKillen Yup - although, like you, I will concede that I copped the Digitakt 2 shortly after it dropped, but as someone with a DT1, it wasn't too much of a gamble - and I've been super stoked on it, and the improved functionality it brings.
Glad to hear you include yourself in the category of humans. That's reassuring.
Im not so sure I’m human
Pocket Operators were their best product. Affordable and good. I can not afford anything else they sell.
Maybe the ep-133!
GAS is powerful, and has especially become a problem with advent of TH-cam synthfluencers. I've bought quite a few new pieces of gear with a conviction that it's something I need to make more/better/different music. But as with all trends, it seems to be dropping. I missed out on the initial batch of the K.O. II and by the time it was back in stock GAS had subsided and I was no longer as excited about it, especially with no 16 pad grid and the scroll through steps sequencer with no dedicated buttons per step.. Same with Digitakt II, it just doesn't feel enough for the asking price. It would seem, the problem solves itself - once it comes out, it's sold out and by the time it's back in stock, the first wave of reviews has passed, so has GAS (pun intenden).
Yeah it’s true - usually after about 1-2 months the interest drops dramatically for thT reason
I would argue that hardware is a better option than software. At least you can sell it and make back a decent chunk.
Yeah that’s true!
Homie needs to turn that AcC on lol
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On point. It's easy to fixate on the rush of a new, shiny thing than deepen my relationship with the fantastic tools that I have even though that is where the magic happens.
It's easy to buy into the idealized concept of the new thing, the sweet promise of its potential, especially if that let's you defer putting in the work with the gem you have already.
Oh god, am I describing marriage? 😂
I think one of the appeals of eye-watteringly expensive vintage gear is that it provides an countervaling force. It's already proved its worth by standing the test of time, and sunk cost means that you're incentivized to deepen your relationship and learn to get the most out of it. If I bought myself a Buchla Music Easel like Caterina Barbieri, you'd better believe I'm milking it for all it's worth.
lol to the marriage point! Thx for watching!!
I like your crystal skulls! That's another "Gas" problem I have.😂 I have 200 little crystal skulls.
200!? That’s a lot!
@LiamKillen yes! I was thinking about maybe starting a channel dedicated to crystal skulls, and other crystals too.
Kudos to you for saying out loud what so many people need to hear. We gotta stop fanning over products and start fanning over the art and artists. TE has been a prime example and it seems like most synth youtubers are unwilling, or maybe even scared, to say the truth, you may feel like your platform isn't big, but I promise it means more to people looking up gear than you may realize.
The DT2 has so many issues as well and no one with a platform is willing to call it the rushed, incomplete thousand dollar box that it really is, again, probably out of fear? I'm not sure. But in reviewers failure to call it as it is, it is pushing people to spend tons of money only to find out it doesn't work as promised.
Keep these videos coming!
Lots more to come and thanks for your addition here!
GAS is not as strong in the DAW side of the Force, once you got a couple controllers you're pretty much done.
The only DAWless gear i decided to keep forever is my Deluge which keeps on getting better over time thanks to its community.
When you step into live performance dawless is a whole different ball game though
Not me watching this after buying a Roland SP404 MK2 about a year ago but procrastinating learning it, then buying the EP133 about a month ago and beep booping the pads for 40 mins before going back to Koala Sampler on my iPad…which I have an Arturia Minilab 3 and Minifuse 1 still in boxes that I got for my birthday specifically to use with Koala…while my MPC 1000, Maschine MK2, Maschine Mikro MK3, Launchpad X, Launchcontrol and Ableton on my Mac all collect dust.
Oh and I have 5 Pocket Operators in a box haha
I think I need to do a cleanse 😂
Oopsie daisy!
@@LiamKillen that Microcosm in your video sure do be looking mighty tempting though…😳😳😳
You've pretty much summed up why i've never been tempted to buy anything from TE, especially when you consider the price of their gear. It's always just looked like "insta-influencer-bandwagon" gear to me, but hey, i'm just a miserable old gen-xer 😂
They still have some cool stuff. The EP-133 is actually pretty great for the price but yeah they cater to a specific audience overall
@@LiamKillen I must admit that's the one piece of their gear that has tempted me, but I've decided to put my money into a SP-404 MK2 to pair with my Deluge 🤞
eyy they started my journed too :D
with a lil pocket operator
For me it was the opz 😊
I got the dirtywave M8 three years ago and ended up selling off a ton of elektron gear, some synths, etc. I kept my 404mk2 and eventually replaced my octatrack but the little M8 really killed my GAS for other stuff. Every time something new comes out I sort of stop and think like “ok but does M8 do this in some way?” And almost every time the answer is yes and when it does turn out to be no, usually it isn’t something I really need anyway. Not to stump for buying more gear or anything but when you find the right thing for you, you don’t really need other stuff. Go through your gear and sell off everything that doesn’t get used every week. You’ll see that your favorite machines tend to be all you really need. Also, I talked myself out of getting plugins by getting much cheaper apps on iPhone/ipad that essentially do the same thing. ButterSynth for 20$ pt me from buying phase plant for 200$
M8 is a piece I haven’t messed with much!
@@LiamKillen it replaced a lot of things for me. Once I recognized that I was able to downsize in a big way and I’m not saying everyone should have an M8 I’m just saying once you find something that works well for you, just get really good with that and maybe take it easy on getting new stuff
Of course I know you already know what you’re doing I just meant in general people have way more than they’ll ever use and nobody is particularly great with any one thing they have. Except Baseck. That dudes a wizard on everything lol
The M8 is an absolute game changer
@@matthewdavis473 absolutely! Best piece of hardware I’ve ever used.
I enjoy my ep 133 but TE is basically the poster company late capitalism, in the way that they exist only to transform culture into commodity. TE product designers subsume a previous history and render it into these weird cultural artifacts that are very removed from their original context. TE's emphasis on novelty and aesthetic over utility illustrates how late capitalism absorbs and metabolizes anything that it comes into contact with, strips it of meaning and assigns value that is purely monetary. i find them to be a deeply problematic company but then again so are many of the other synth companies that i buy crap from -- and as someone who likes to play synths but can't build my own, i ultimately buy TE stuff even if I know I'll feel guilty about it later.
Thanks for watching and for your take on this!
And then we have Roland packing a million features into a tiny piece of gear like the S1, but it’s so inconvenient to access and much more effort to learn and get the most out of it 😅
I do find that about the s1- it’s very menu divy
TE is a good entry device for a lot of people but it’s interesting that most people move on from the brand after they start getting more serious about their equipment. The problem though, is TE is asking boutique prices for entry level equipment.
I agree ! Op1 is too expeezy
I remember seeing thr OP1 'centre for ants' video (i think it's by red meand recording?) probably during lockdown. I didn't know anything about synths but i thought to myself 'if that is about £400 I'll buy one'... Needless to say I never got one. When the ko2 came out i got that same sense of excitement and the price point was really decent! It was a massive gateway for me and i now have that, the opz, syntakt, sp404mk2, roland s1 and i couldn't be happier (like a pig in proverbial..). It's an amazing hobby and TE (and creators like you) absolutely got me into it. GAS is real but i don't mind it and that's just fine for me!
It’s really different for everyone- all about finding that balance!
It actually wasn't RMR, but it makes a lot of sense that you'd think it was since the creator of that video definitely ripped off RMR's video style for the op1.
@@adeenooo5799 ah yes I've just checked and it was Yuri Wong. Sick video either way.
I would buy more of their gear if I was wealthy enough. Everything I've gotten from them is legit. Ultimately to found out about other gear companies and have fleshed out my mini studio with other products. Let alone software. I'll eventually own a TP7 tho
That’s one I can’t see myself ever owning
In some cases, anxiety plays a huge role in the development of addictions.
Yup
After owning the octatrack for a while and absolutely loving it, then buying an analog 4 and an analog rytm, I realized that I think I already have the best machine I could ever want. New gear is always fun to get and mess around with, but nothing compares to the endless depth and fun of the OT. The A4 and AR, while great, don’t really add to that, and they don’t go nearly as deep.
In conclusion, the OT cured my GAS, it is literally peak hardware for me.
Yeah you’re stacked with what you have already
I hear they just released the Octatrack mk3 .... (JOKE!!)
@@LordoftheBadgers I would cream my pants
I see from a video o have the ssl big 6 so is that new over the playdifferently or do you use both
SSL is great as a production tool and for summing stems but it DOES NOT replace the model 1.4 as a live performance tool! 😊
TE products seem to be more like lifestyle products. Don't get me wrong, they have top notch machines and I absolutely love some of them, but their design screams more prestige object then professional tool.
I agree!!
I'm currently waiting for my Digitakt 2 to arrive. Think i've cured my gas for a while.
You’ll have tons to explore with it!
I have few physical synths and guitar pedals they are not the thing I go to when making music I use My DAW Reason. Keeping gear set up and clean is just not practical in My space.
IMO it’s a hybrid that makes the most sense.
@@LiamKillen Yep that was the plan however its not happening.
Polite ask: Please don't do this static image slightly shaking over a monochrome background eg at 2:47. It legit made me dizzy and I had to look away from the monitor at something fixed in the real 3d world. :D
If it obviously moves, that's a different story, but with the faded edges over the monochrome my brain had a hard time interpreting image vs laptop movement or sth.
Their design reminds me of Tomy toys. They’re getting a generation of people right in the nostalgia gland.
That’s def a part of their approach and they’re fkn masters at it
Hobbyist here. I see no problem with collecting gear under a strict budget. Also, I work in hardware engineering in mass market consumer electronics for a FAANG. Industrial design rules the roost. The only higher drivers areexecutive direction and program management. We do a tremendous amount of engineering to make whatever device it is work well within the boundaries of the design intent.
It really depends what your goals / interests are!
If you’re an engineer I feel like you’re under a different bracket because your interest in how the gear functions might be as interesting, if not more interesting than creating music with it. If you like to take things apart and then build them again, as I’d imagine you do, then I would say you’re in this category.
In this case, for example, owning 6 grooveboxes that essentially do the same thing / have similar limits from a musical standpoint makes sense.
The overlap from a music creation standpoint is a different story imo and that’s more what this video is about
Unfortunately, we’ve all become “Slaves to the algorithm”
Break freeeee!
@@LiamKillen sure but then that would mean giving up TH-cam 😂
This video comes at the perfect time for me.
I just took a big step (for me) from just controlling Ableton Live with midi-controllers, to use external effects and a synth. And instead of playing with it and learn it, i spend my time to let youtube show what else is there. Often times this is just easier dann building new synapses.
Luckily teenage engineering doesn´t do it for me. Often times I just don´t get the concept which seems impractical to me and as much as I like reduced design, it´s a bit too retro-toy-like for me. But I didn´t have nintendo when I grew up, maybe it´s just that. :D
But beside it being a supposed scam: I´m really baffled that the rabbit-thingy is seen as "good design". For me this looks just like a 90s throw-away toy add-on from a kid´s magazine. Is the nostalgia that strong? I do obviously miss the point, don´t I?
Yeah purchasing new gear is often more exciting than dedicating time to creating music!
You can purchase a PRO 3 for the same price as a new OP-1 field……. Ok 👍🏾
Yyyyup
First! Nice to be part of the discord, nice community you are building there.
Thank you for being there ! :-)
I didn't know TE was involved with the rabbit.
Yes!
I got into synths because I thought the op1 and opz looked cool but I’ve just been using ableton and a midi keyboard and see no reason to buy any this else so far. If I had gotten an opz as my first instrument I probably wouldn’t have stuck with the hobby.
I’m personally really into hybrid combos- best of both worlds
I wish a fraction of the energy put into new products could just be focused on things like the Synthstrom Audible. There's just a couple of youtube channels just scratching at the surface of the device and its capabilities and the thing is over five years old.
I don’t even know that one lol
@@LiamKillen
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You don't know of the truly boutique groovebox that's OPEN SOURCE?
I had an OP1. I sold it for a big profit. Good riddance - not a popular opinion, but i think its really overrated as a music production tool. Looks great though, admittedly.
It’s very specific for sure
They McKinseyed too close to the sun like many other companies
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I have an r1. It is kinda cool, but it doesn't work well and is more of a toy than a "pocket companion"
Yeah it looks like that’s the general consensus
Great Video as always. i kinda learned my lesson with guitar pedals. did i? NVM. actually i try to watch less youtube...
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Yeah the Teenage x Kanye device is real. I saw someone listed it on ebay last year.
They were selling it off hand for 1,000+. I wanted to buy because its not for sale but I couldn't afford it.
Oh shit really?
Interesting- so they’re out there in the wild
TE didn't just design the R1, it's clearly documented that Jesper and Jesse are in bed with each other - R1 and TE have shared stakeholders in their c-suite and boards.
The relationship between TEPlaydate and TER1 is very different.
Wasn’t aware of this!
“ I WANT THAT “ for me trigers how expensive/quality is the SOUND and how expensive/quality is the circuitry inside which makes the sound.
the real 303 is just plastic outside and no clone replica give you the depth that the real unit dies because it is cramped with more quality circuitry inside than any modern monophonic / polyphonic analog synth.
my advice is PAY EXPENSIVE MONEY FOR EXPENSIVE SOUND / EXPENSIVE CIRCUITRY
We’ve all entered into an expensive world here- aka we’re fucked for life!
I think TE was what apple tried to say it was, and is slowly turning into what apple actually is.
Perhaps
i sold my OG OP1, man i miss it .
Did you sell to fund the op1 f?
@@LiamKillen no, sold it before the field was out
harsh truth! i don't own any teenage engineering. I'm a Gen Xer that sees right thru their schtick.
If it ain’t for you it ain’t for you
It's just absolute crap, build wise and appeals only to the more money than sense crowd.
FINALLY, someone speaks the truth about TE.
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This hobby is got nothing on the Camera industry price wise haha. For the price of one lens you can buy 3 groove boxes .
Yeah it’s true- I’m glad I’m not sucked into THAT industry lol
Jesse Lyu, the creator of rabbit r1 is a board member of teenage engineering.
It’s all a little skuzzy
Makes you wonder how the Polyend Tracker is half the price nowadays
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Cuckoo going crazy that we can FINALLY sample in stereo with digitakt II is prime GAS creation in my eyes. I love his stuff but that video had me laughing out loud 🙂
Cuckoo’s the man I’m not gonna diss my guy
@@LiamKillen tru dat 👍
please vacuum the nord drum 🙂
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