right? their videos have been feeling so rushed and half-naked lately... like I get that "youtube compression blah blah you can't hear what it actually sounds like"... but at least give us a little taste. with a good mic and headphones you can definitely get an idea if what it sounds like.
@@DaBrute because he probably thought there was something to learn. But instead we nothing more then an ad that didnt really explain what was going on.
all youtube videos are secretly tools to permit drop shipping to unsuspecting viewers. If it was a small channel, it'd be a $5 light up bluetooth speaker, not a $500 theater speaker, but the premise is the same.
I pretty much gathered that since there are numerous products that extract deep, powerful and even efficient bass from a small box and do it far better. This is no innovation.
without plotting the frequency response, taking dB measurements (at 1 meter distance) and not mentioning the specs, this just seems like a standard marketing ploy. the first two might not be something your familiar with, but the third you should definitely bring up. otherwise there is a significant possibility that the price has a placebo effect for you, making you think the speaker sounds better than it actually does.
As the studio engineer for the last 20 years, I can cosign what he saying in that for a Bluetooth speaker. The base is insane. Now I haven’t measured the decibel however I can say it’s on par with our studio speakers that I use from mastering but it’s only, exceptional at base. The high in mid leave much to be desired for though they are above the average for a Bluetooth speaker, but not above the average for a Bluetooth speaker of that size by much.
No mention is made how this so-called negative spring will change anything about the physics of the relationship between the thiele small parameters of the driver and the speaker cabinet. For any given driver and its parameters, there is a limit to what sound pressure level it can achieve without distortion if its inside an acoustic suspension cabinet. No evidence is provided that this speaker changes that limitation. What I suspect is going on is that the qtc is so high that a strong bass boost is provided in the bass frequencies most noticed by most listeners, thus giving the impression that the bass is extraordinary; even though the same could probably be achieved with an ordinary driver, given the proper ts parameters, with the same sized cabinet.
Don't forget adding extra "permanent magnets" around the back of it to counteract the effect of the air compression. I'll bet Brane engineers used to work at Bose, lol.
In a past life, they were no such hidden advertisements but measurements such as directivity, response curves for various pressure levels, Total Harmonic Distortion (THD), efficiency......
Totally agreed, and I'm a dinosaur from that era too. All that useful, objective measurement stuff went out of the window when Bose came into being LOL!
@@caddelworth Indeed and the situation is similar in many domains of science (including the vast majority of research papers). AI are fed with this insipid soup the WEB is becoming and in return add more rubbish data to the pool. According to me, the near future will likely look like "Idiocracy" or "Don't look up", not even sure Americans will be able to make it back to the moon, unless we suddenly find a way to use the new tools to clean the information mess, stop rights infringements, help real creators and built new consolidated scientific databases.
This audio product follows a long time tradition of not breaking physics while still managing to break wallets. It probably sounds wonderful for a mono Bluetooth/plug in speaker that fits nicely in your backpac... eh, car.
@4:40 -- since when has a 10" subwoofer been a "massive" speaker? Most of the touring rigs I've used 15"-21" drivers. One of them had subs where each subwoofer had quad 15" drivers.
@@permanenceinchange2326 I'm running dual 18" subs in my listening room at home. Definitely more than what the room needs, but I have them dialed way down.
I had the fortunate "ultimate base" experience of being less than five feet away from a full grown male african lion during a photoshoot. Ralph was getting a bit cranky and let out a protest growl as if to say, "I've had enough of this shit for one day..." and refused to exit his enclosure when called. My entire 6"2" 235 pound frame reverberated with that growl and everyone else in the studio froze. It was an extraordinary form of physics to experience and almost felt electrically shocking! The handler just replied, "Okay, you're the boss, we'll head home."
There is no point in demoing a speaker other than irl. You are not listening to that speaker, you are listening to the one in your device. You would only be looking at a guy saying "oooh, that's a lot of bass", and the video already established that.
@@JH-lo9ut There is. As much as youtube compresses the shit out of our videos, it just gives us a rough idea of how good a speaker is, even with the compression. Also, what if the guy has studio monitors? What if he has studio headphones? Either way, you can still hear extra bass from a video using your cheap £3 headphones, cant you? What if they don't really have much bass and he is just sitting there telling us that the speakers better than it really is? Even with all these limitations its a key part of the video that can verify whether its good or bad.
@@ncr-is-washed If you wanna hear a speaker/headphones you gotta hear it IRL so there isn't really much to do of a "sound test" through a video, recorded via "we don't know what kind of microphone", in a "we don't know what kind of room", compressed via editing softwares, then TH-cam, then played by another speaker/computer speaker/headphones which doesn't sound like the one being tested
@@ncr-is-washed ... if the guy is willing to lie to you about what he heard, then he can also just use his EQ in post to boost bass, or just place the recording mic closer to the speaker. Speaker demos are not "key part" of a video, and that's not because of "yOuTuBe cOmPrEsSiOn" (which you will NOT be able hear), but because you're not hearing the speakers, you're hearing the signal recorded by a microphone placed in a specific spot in a specific room through your own speakers or headphones, which is a set of four filters that drastically change sound EACH. In fact, anyone "demoing" a set of speakers is lying to you through these parameters, whether they know it or not. Speaker demos are utterly worthless and you're kidding yourself otherwise. What is not worthless are frequency response plots made in an anechoic chamber or at least an acoustically treated space, and blind ABX tests for measuring how people perceive them. Those are claims that are verifiable and reproducible. Anything else about the sound is bullshit you can ad-lib. Clamor for those means literally asking the guy to shill harder.
Specs from the manual: Amplifiers Four class-D digital amplifiers with combined output of over 200 watts Sub woofer One high excursion 6.5" x 9" (165 mm x 229 mm) R.A.D. subwoofer for thundering bass and sub-bass Midrange Two 2.5” (64 mm) midrange drivers provide distinct stereo separation in the mid frequency band Tweeters Two 0.75” (19 mm) dome tweeters produce clear highs and an ultra-wide soundstage Microphones Four waterproof microphones for accurate voice recognition Adjustable EQ Adjustable bass, midrange and treble via the Brane mobile app Aside from it have an FPGA for the DSP, there's no mention of anything special in the manual.
@AluminumHaste In this case, "specs" clearly means "marketing hype." No frequency response or polar response diagrams? I'm out. PS: I also don't want or need any *speaker* that contains *microphones* so that's (yet another) red flag for this thing.
3:04 You can read here that a ported box (a box with a hole in it) still counts as a sealed box. This is because the port increases the pressure that the speaker has to push against, when operating near the port's resonance frequency.
@@socksumi Yep, there's an older dude that builds speakers out of his garage on here. Recommend talking to him. He makes compact and medium sized setups that get down (like 32hz before rolloff and clear highs) Chris DIYer.
Have you seen that guy on youtube that made a rotary subwoofer? That thing reaches like 2Hz with insane power, enough to literally make cracks in his house walls, it's really cool
@2:17 You said LOUD, but for the rest of the video, you refer to that property as Efficient. So which is it? (From Wikipedia, it's "high output sensitivity". Translation: Efficiency.)
If something does break the laws of physics, there will be new papers, scientific debates, and the science world will go crazy! Physics isn't all about truth, sometimes we learn the things that can be proven wrong in future! For example, In the late 19th century, classical physics couldn't explain the spectrum of radiation emitted by a blackbody (an idealized physical body that absorbs all incident electromagnetic radiation). According to classical theories, the radiation intensity should increase without limit as wavelength decreases, leading to the so-called "ultraviolet catastrophe. Another one can be that In 1905, Albert Einstein extended Planck's idea to explain the photoelectric effect, where light shining on a metal surface ejects electrons. Classical wave theory of light couldn't explain why only light above a certain frequency could eject electrons, regardless of its intensity. Einstein proposed that light itself is quantized into particles called "photons," each carrying a quantum of energy proportional to its frequency. This idea was revolutionary and eventually earned Einstein the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1921... There are many more examples like these, and that's how science itself changes a lot based on our observations and calculation!
A great video going into extensive detail on how a more typical speaker is flawed and then spend no time at all on how the BRANE works around these limitations!
As someone that recently bought one, I am absolutely blown away at what it can accomplish. Would be fascinating to see a larger speaker from them with even more surface area, battery and amplification
Hmm, a permanent magnet forming a spring, with some electrical thing in it. Put a piece of cardboard on that "Spring" and youve basically got a speaker. You know this kinda reminds me of Yamahas active servo tech, with its negative impedance thingy. Although that one actually has some stuff going on and the speakers I have with active servo do sound fantastic.
hoffman's equation makes it clear you have to trade between size, bandwidth and power, _at a given efficiency_. use a more efficient design, get more out of your speaker/enclosure combo. this is achieving the same goal as existing servo subwoofers running in an under-dampened configuration.
I went to "T.H.E. Show" a couple of weeks ago, and saw this thing in person. They side-by-side compared it to Sonos and JBL bluetooth speakers, and it was beyond amazing. That sound is not possibly coming from that little box. With their $50 off show discount bringing it down to $550, I was still not tempted. I would love the speaker, but it's simply too rich for my blood! Looking at a Sonos Move 2 now--was on sale for $359, but back up to $449. Darn it! 😵💫
@@mattb4251I have 2 JTR Captivator 4000ULFs in my home theater. 4 18s total, 520lbs of pure, house destroying subsonic bass. 110dB at 10Hz, 125dB at 20Hz. My first sub was an SVS PB-1000 I got on sale for about $400, bigger than that Genelec (although arguably not as good, better value for sure though). I'm willing to bet that Bluetooth speaker doesn't even have as much bass as my Wharfedale bookshelves.
If you want a bassy speaker then you don't want a good speaker. Bass Reflex speakers produce a longer lasting bass reponse that will remove clarity from the sound eventually. Acoustic Suspension speakers produce the best sound but they need beefier amps capable of getting the vibrating surfaces where they need to be. I don't have the money to get neither of those so I use Bass Reflex speakers. BTW, with modern digital amplifiers Hoffman's law doesn't apply - it did apply in 1961 when the only way to get good amps was by using vacuum tubes. Since the Tripath release the TA2020, digital amps became good with nice SNR and low distortions. Tripath was eventually purchased by Texas Instruments. "Laws of Physics" aren't actually Laws - they are models that describe the physical worls as we perceive it. In the late 19th century Physicists were sure they could describe the physical world perfectly - with the exception of a few minos discrepancies. Thoser were the orbit of Mercury, the speed distribution of molecules in gases, the ultraviolet collapse when black bodies were heated and some weird black lines that showed up when a wide enough spectrography of light coming from stars were produced. The first problem (Mercury's orbit) was solved by Einstein's Relativity and the other ones by Quantum Physics. And even after that we still think we live in the in the Newtonian world ... a world where everything can be explained by simple mechanistic relationships. What made the world we live in turn into an improved version of Hell is the ideas propagate by Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan: The British PM made us believe there's no society just individuals while the former Hollywood B movie actor simply got a microphone and said "Greed is good". Now we have problems that, if we don't fix them, will end human life on Earth - and these problems aren't linear and escape Math's ability to long term predictions. Meanwhile, we became linear bots who think how much money one has is the only measure of someones value.
@@ABa-os6wm There are plenty of YT videos that can demonstrate great sound and sound effects. He didn't even try. Could've given a disclaimer about limitations with viewer equipment, etc.
You want bass? Infinity RS4 1990 tower speakers (not the RS4Bs) and put them in the corner of a room. The bass is OUT OF CONTROL and yet it still doesn't overtake the other frequencies when used with other speakers! Insane for 1990!
In order to make base you have to displace a lot of air. One of the most efficient ways to do so with minimal space is a hemholtz resonator. Tuning the resonator to a subsonic frequency alleviates a lot of the group delay problems. Simply putting a hole in a speaker cabinet does not relieve the back pressure. In fact there is a phase delay at certain frequencies down to the resonant frequency at which point the air is out of phase with that hole or event and it actually creates more back pressure at the resident frequency reducing the speaker cone Excursion dramatically. As such the hole or vent becomes the primary dominant source of Bass output.
It would be awesome if these amazing new speakers were actually affordable. I mean i get it, it's breakthrough technology that's very expensive to R&D, but dang, $600 portable Bluetooth speaker? Thats actually crazy.
@@tentobeans If you want to learn about how speakers actually work, there are plenty of actually informative videos here from people who acually no what they are talking about not just a guy claiming to know his stuff. No need to humour this video ad if you learnt something you didn't expect to.
@@ashyouknow7420 i don't really care to learn the intricates of how speakers work, but it was a nice fun fact to learn while enjoying a video from one of my favorite channels. no need for hate, bud.
Those iLoud micromonitors are incredible for their size. I own three sets of them; one for my bedroom tv, one to compliment my mixing/mastering setup and a travel kit when I have to mix at other studios. They are my 'realworld' reference and I use them extensively.
Ellis and marques… just hear the Anker Soundcore Boost… this tiny water bottle sized speaker produces enough bass for most people and also has neutral and clear imaging. People wont be needing more bass than this as the deep and mid bass is quite boosted than the rest of the frequency response.
I remember being so excited about my Bose 901s. And it seems like this is a real breakthrough that's got you excited too! I don't do much audio these days but glad to see innovators are still pushing the envelope.
Your explanation was really bad, you say the three factors are "small, loud, and bassy" and then you start talking about "efficiency" being one of the three factors.
What a cool video. Great job in explaining the more technical audio topics in a clear and concise way. We know it's not so easy 😉 Also, now I'm very curious how those speakers sound. I want to check them out!
If you are actually into audio engineering, you should know this video is bad. Because: without plotting the frequency response, taking dB measurements (at 1 meter distance) and not mentioning the specs - it's just (indirect) marketing ploy.
Who ever you are, managing the Lewitt page, ask an engineer before supporting this kind of marketing trash that pretends to be technical. Lewitt makes good products and this type of comment leads to belive that the company is headed in the wrong direction.
Guys, I am confused that there are only a few videos about this speaker on the web till this date. I want to see some good comparisons to get an good idea what this thing is capable of. I own a JBL Extreme 3 too and really want to get an reasonable upgrade that still fits in my backpack. The next bigger JBL Boombox 3 is waaay to big for my backback. So I am really looking forward to get _more_ content about this speaker. I already read the review on rtings which lowered my excitement for the brane x speaker. So I want to figure myself out if this thing is good or not for my usecase with A vs B comparison videos. But atm there are none!
I agree. This thing's prototype lit up the Consumer Electronics Show in January, then...crickets. You can look up a JBL or Ultimate Ears speaker and spend an entire weekend reading reviews, specs, and measurements. This speaker? Nothing. It's like whatever the opposite of marketing is.
haha. yeah they do nearly no marketing at all. i followed them on facebook. I am even a bit mad they offered a 100$ discount as an "back to scool" thingy and additionally 50$ off if you purchase the speaker in their store. They still dont ship international. So no discount for me as an german. But after i saw more content showing up on youtube, I am convinced this thing can deliver an experience that wasnt possible before in this speaker size. On the other hand i heared they might release next year another version of their speaker. All in all I am not happy with this. Bad Marketing. Still not enough reviews. No comparison with devialet mania on youtube. What will the next Modell be? Should I wait? International Shipping in fall. meeeeeh.
But they do not even list the speakers' frequency response and range on their own side under the features. How am I going to know if it can go as low as 20Hz?
So uh... you going to show us it in action or ramble on about how great of a product a 560$ speaker is with zero proof to back it up? well I just just wasted like 10minutes of my life
You totally glossed over how the "magnetic spring" works. You mentioned it's a magnet. Also it's an electromagnet. The way you describe it sound like a speaker magnet and coil. So is this a secondary internal speaker to compensate for the primary one or what?
software is the biggest reason so many Bluetooth speakers sound way bigger than they are, They make a half decent speaker/box/passive radiator combo and then physically tune out the unwanted harmonics and boost the ones they want. It's alot the reason why its so hard to make small DIY speakers that come anywhere near as close as commercial ones without a programmable amp and the mic and monitoring software for it.
I can confirm this speaker is a legit sound bar replacement, you can pair up to 8 in stereo and each one outputs 200 watts on battery. The company has grown immensely in the last year and the X is worth every penny. Cant wait for them to release more speakers that focus on pinpoint directional highs with special electrostatic drivers. Brane isn't just a one off company, they are shaping up to be a true pioneer in audiophile grade portable speakers.
They should label ads or something. And this is a bass speaker -but not a subwoofer. You can use all sorts of different methods to move a cone - but the origin of the sound comes from the speaker cone. A cool new way to shake the speaker cone - does not change the speaker cones range of movement.
You can’t break physics, you can just find better way to use physics 🤓📝
Wait! you're 40 minutes late.
Rip the original comment
🤓☝️
@@NicoMontoya They even pinned it :/ RIP my luck!
Damn you just said another’s comment louder and it worked
That awkward moment when you realize you're watching an ad that isn't labeled as an ad.
About 10 minutes In?
Welcome to tech "journalism". This is the industry standard. The Verge, Cnet, etc etc all do the same thing.
Sponsor block extension is the answer
Lance Hendrick for coffee, you can watch an entire video without realizing he is selling a product for a company owned by the Breville conglomerate.
@@cheaddaca3532 does that exist?
Thank you for NOT testing the speaker. That really was the best part.
Not even showing what was different.
right? their videos have been feeling so rushed and half-naked lately...
like I get that "youtube compression blah blah you can't hear what it actually sounds like"... but at least give us a little taste. with a good mic and headphones you can definitely get an idea if what it sounds like.
@adnamamedia What? This was a great video aside from not hearing the speaker.
Because it’s sponsored but not flagged as sponsored, which is extremely misleading
RTINGS have already tested the Brane X. Its nothing special... The battery runtime is sub-par. So basicly, this video here is just an ad :(.
I feel like I got suckered into an advertisement
I almost liked this comment, but then I watched the whole video
@@sj000if you learned something then you started out pretty dumb.
@@rcpmacif you already know everything why bother watching the video?
@@DaBrute because he probably thought there was something to learn. But instead we nothing more then an ad that didnt really explain what was going on.
he didnt test the thing, he didnt open it up, nothing
The only laws that appeared to have been broken, are the failed morals of hidden advertising.
remember people, this is an ad
THis shiet is SMART
all youtube videos are secretly tools to permit drop shipping to unsuspecting viewers. If it was a small channel, it'd be a $5 light up bluetooth speaker, not a $500 theater speaker, but the premise is the same.
Thanks. I'm going to skip this video.
@@tamascoleman in India Religion does that
I pretty much gathered that since there are numerous products that extract deep, powerful and even efficient bass from a small box and do it far better. This is no innovation.
I was waiting for a audio sample of the speaker so that I confirm its bass while watching this on my phone.
Perfect inside joke!
Right, this speaker is so amazing, it makes recordings of it sound better.
Marques: Ellis, we gotta limit the rants on Waveform.
Ellis: I will not be silenced. (Studio video birthed)
lol I'm glad
instructions unclear, I bought the speaker and things are now floating around the room
Bass Canon, kick it!
Same I bought one and am now in the shadow realm pls help
What button turns gravity back on? Can anyone help?
Only this channel and unbox therapy have a video of this speaker.. that says alot . considering it's like a year old
Hahaha
the only thing broken here, is the trust I had in this channel's titles.
The longest ad I have ever seen
without plotting the frequency response, taking dB measurements (at 1 meter distance) and not mentioning the specs, this just seems like a standard marketing ploy.
the first two might not be something your familiar with, but the third you should definitely bring up.
otherwise there is a significant possibility that the price has a placebo effect for you, making you think the speaker sounds better than it actually does.
As the studio engineer for the last 20 years, I can cosign what he saying in that for a Bluetooth speaker. The base is insane. Now I haven’t measured the decibel however I can say it’s on par with our studio speakers that I use from mastering but it’s only, exceptional at base. The high in mid leave much to be desired for though they are above the average for a Bluetooth speaker, but not above the average for a Bluetooth speaker of that size by much.
yeah, this whole video is nothing but a clickbaity advert in disguise
its bass role of is at 150 hz Hardy Sub Bass
When the first statement was "This speaker breaks the laws of physics", I thought, "Oh, someone doesn't know physics... or speakers."
Exactly, there isn’t a single Frequency response even on their website. They just claim things, no data sheets.
I call this an advertising. That was a complete "trust me bro" test product.
well, the video description is basically a shopping cart.. what else were you expecting?
Did I just watch a 10 minute ad on a speaker?
No mention is made how this so-called negative spring will change anything about the physics of the relationship between the thiele small parameters of the driver and the speaker cabinet. For any given driver and its parameters, there is a limit to what sound pressure level it can achieve without distortion if its inside an acoustic suspension cabinet. No evidence is provided that this speaker changes that limitation. What I suspect is going on is that the qtc is so high that a strong bass boost is provided in the bass frequencies most noticed by most listeners, thus giving the impression that the bass is extraordinary; even though the same could probably be achieved with an ordinary driver, given the proper ts parameters, with the same sized cabinet.
Don't forget adding extra "permanent magnets" around the back of it to counteract the effect of the air compression. I'll bet Brane engineers used to work at Bose, lol.
That's exactly it -- they're likely powering and providing equalization. That's it.
David in the back one the vision pro😂
Paying homage to the latest Event 😂
😅😂
I wasn’t the one that noticed that 😂
“..first, we need to learn about how speakers actually work”.
Ellis is the David Imel of Audio. Confirmed.
lol exactly
I was thinking that too. We all require context.
@@samsam21amb love it.
"next we travel to Japan to meet the inventor of the speaker to ask him how he intended bass to be used"
it seems he still doesnt know how speakers work if he thinks that it breaks law physics
Ellis has two things on his mind at all times: audio and dune 2.
Dune 2 was good, and way better than Dune 1 (which was average at best) but nowhere near "best movie ever".
0:34 "These speakers are the same size"
I'm not trusting this guy on physics 😂
He said they're "about the same size".
@@TylerDS13 That iLoud would actually be at least twice in size, it's not even close.
@@ashyouknow7420 That's mostly the case the round part is the same size
@@ashyouknow7420 your head is about twice the size of mine, but my brain is still seemingly larger. Crazy how that works.
In a past life, they were no such hidden advertisements but measurements such as directivity, response curves for various pressure levels, Total Harmonic Distortion (THD), efficiency......
Totally agreed, and I'm a dinosaur from that era too.
All that useful, objective measurement stuff went out of the window when Bose came into being LOL!
@@caddelworth Indeed and the situation is similar in many domains of science (including the vast majority of research papers). AI are fed with this insipid soup the WEB is becoming and in return add more rubbish data to the pool. According to me, the near future will likely look like "Idiocracy" or "Don't look up", not even sure Americans will be able to make it back to the moon, unless we suddenly find a way to use the new tools to clean the information mess, stop rights infringements, help real creators and built new consolidated scientific databases.
Ellis is the type of guy to actually BE all about that bass
With a balanced and even treble :p 🎶
This audio product follows a long time tradition of not breaking physics while still managing to break wallets. It probably sounds wonderful for a mono Bluetooth/plug in speaker that fits nicely in your backpac... eh, car.
The course on audio was so basic, skipped that, then I just got “special spring, extra magnets = more air movement” which doesn’t make any sense.
At 1:11, David's pretend working is so convincing, he should give lessons to the guy from the last Apple event!
Great host Ellis !
@4:40 -- since when has a 10" subwoofer been a "massive" speaker? Most of the touring rigs I've used 15"-21" drivers. One of them had subs where each subwoofer had quad 15" drivers.
But that's for a venue. For a small living room you need at least 2x12 inch imho.
@@permanenceinchange2326 I'm running dual 18" subs in my listening room at home. Definitely more than what the room needs, but I have them dialed way down.
@@grayrabbit2211 Does the term "audiophile" apply to you, by any chance? :)
I had the fortunate "ultimate base" experience of being less than five feet away from a full grown male african lion during a photoshoot. Ralph was getting a bit cranky and let out a protest growl as if to say, "I've had enough of this shit for one day..." and refused to exit his enclosure when called. My entire 6"2" 235 pound frame reverberated with that growl and everyone else in the studio froze. It was an extraordinary form of physics to experience and almost felt electrically shocking! The handler just replied, "Okay, you're the boss, we'll head home."
Real bass💀
Was anxiously waiting for him to show the speaker disassembled or explain it's internal cavity design and speaker drivers
It's an advertisement. They don't want you to know how it works. They want you to buy it.
Goodness. I waited for 10 mins for a demo on the speaker but there's none. What a huge disappointment!
There is no point in demoing a speaker other than irl.
You are not listening to that speaker, you are listening to the one in your device.
You would only be looking at a guy saying "oooh, that's a lot of bass", and the video already established that.
@@JH-lo9ut There is. As much as youtube compresses the shit out of our videos, it just gives us a rough idea of how good a speaker is, even with the compression. Also, what if the guy has studio monitors? What if he has studio headphones? Either way, you can still hear extra bass from a video using your cheap £3 headphones, cant you? What if they don't really have much bass and he is just sitting there telling us that the speakers better than it really is? Even with all these limitations its a key part of the video that can verify whether its good or bad.
@@ncr-is-washed If you wanna hear a speaker/headphones you gotta hear it IRL so there isn't really much to do of a "sound test" through a video, recorded via "we don't know what kind of microphone", in a "we don't know what kind of room", compressed via editing softwares, then TH-cam, then played by another speaker/computer speaker/headphones which doesn't sound like the one being tested
@@ncr-is-washed ... if the guy is willing to lie to you about what he heard, then he can also just use his EQ in post to boost bass, or just place the recording mic closer to the speaker.
Speaker demos are not "key part" of a video, and that's not because of "yOuTuBe cOmPrEsSiOn" (which you will NOT be able hear), but because you're not hearing the speakers, you're hearing the signal recorded by a microphone placed in a specific spot in a specific room through your own speakers or headphones, which is a set of four filters that drastically change sound EACH. In fact, anyone "demoing" a set of speakers is lying to you through these parameters, whether they know it or not.
Speaker demos are utterly worthless and you're kidding yourself otherwise. What is not worthless are frequency response plots made in an anechoic chamber or at least an acoustically treated space, and blind ABX tests for measuring how people perceive them. Those are claims that are verifiable and reproducible. Anything else about the sound is bullshit you can ad-lib. Clamor for those means literally asking the guy to shill harder.
Specs from the manual:
Amplifiers
Four class-D digital amplifiers
with combined output of over
200 watts
Sub woofer
One high excursion 6.5" x 9" (165
mm x 229 mm) R.A.D. subwoofer
for thundering bass and
sub-bass
Midrange
Two 2.5” (64 mm) midrange drivers
provide distinct stereo separation
in the mid frequency band
Tweeters
Two 0.75” (19 mm) dome tweeters
produce clear highs and an
ultra-wide soundstage
Microphones
Four waterproof microphones for
accurate voice recognition
Adjustable EQ
Adjustable bass, midrange and
treble via the Brane mobile app
Aside from it have an FPGA for the DSP, there's no mention of anything special in the manual.
Does it say the frequency response?
an FPGA is just a stack of programmable DSP "slices" in a trench coat, so that is not special either
@AluminumHaste In this case, "specs" clearly means "marketing hype."
No frequency response or polar response diagrams? I'm out.
PS: I also don't want or need any *speaker* that contains *microphones* so that's (yet another) red flag for this thing.
3:04 You can read here that a ported box (a box with a hole in it) still counts as a sealed box. This is because the port increases the pressure that the speaker has to push against, when operating near the port's resonance frequency.
No he doesn't use the speaker. This is just a long ad. You're welcome.
Yeah, it a lotta hype over a well know design technique that exists for many products..
@@socksumi Yep, there's an older dude that builds speakers out of his garage on here. Recommend talking to him. He makes compact and medium sized setups that get down (like 32hz before rolloff and clear highs) Chris DIYer.
Have you seen that guy on youtube that made a rotary subwoofer? That thing reaches like 2Hz with insane power, enough to literally make cracks in his house walls, it's really cool
Sam "look mum no computer" Battle by any chance?
I have. I wouldn't call that a subwoofer since its not actually capable of playing any music. Its more of a low frequency resonance machine.
Yeah crazy stuff
@@SianaGearz No, it's Daniel Fajkis
Rebasses cam make that subwoofer have misical use
@2:17 You said LOUD, but for the rest of the video, you refer to that property as Efficient. So which is it? (From Wikipedia, it's "high output sensitivity". Translation: Efficiency.)
00:01 sorry there Bro, literally NOTHING breaks the laws of physics
If something does break the laws of physics, there will be new papers, scientific debates, and the science world will go crazy! Physics isn't all about truth, sometimes we learn the things that can be proven wrong in future!
For example, In the late 19th century, classical physics couldn't explain the spectrum of radiation emitted by a blackbody (an idealized physical body that absorbs all incident electromagnetic radiation). According to classical theories, the radiation intensity should increase without limit as wavelength decreases, leading to the so-called "ultraviolet catastrophe.
Another one can be that In 1905, Albert Einstein extended Planck's idea to explain the photoelectric effect, where light shining on a metal surface ejects electrons. Classical wave theory of light couldn't explain why only light above a certain frequency could eject electrons, regardless of its intensity. Einstein proposed that light itself is quantized into particles called "photons," each carrying a quantum of energy proportional to its frequency. This idea was revolutionary and eventually earned Einstein the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1921...
There are many more examples like these, and that's how science itself changes a lot based on our observations and calculation!
Ummm... God.
@@some1human cant argue with that
True
@@some1human Um...Sheela Na Gigs
A great video going into extensive detail on how a more typical speaker is flawed and then spend no time at all on how the BRANE works around these limitations!
As someone that recently bought one, I am absolutely blown away at what it can accomplish. Would be fascinating to see a larger speaker from them with even more surface area, battery and amplification
Which would confirm that real bass hides in bigger boxes ;)
david with the vision pro was so necessary for this one
An electromagnetic force acting against air pressure difference. So you are telling me they've created a... dynamic driver?
Hmm, a permanent magnet forming a spring, with some electrical thing in it. Put a piece of cardboard on that "Spring" and youve basically got a speaker.
You know this kinda reminds me of Yamahas active servo tech, with its negative impedance thingy. Although that one actually has some stuff going on and the speakers I have with active servo do sound fantastic.
They probably just did a motion feedback circuit and called it 'negative spring' lol. Marketing.
Love the amount of love you guys are putting into The Studio channel 🔥
"Love the amount of love you guys are putting in this advertisement 🔥"?
hoffman's equation makes it clear you have to trade between size, bandwidth and power, _at a given efficiency_.
use a more efficient design, get more out of your speaker/enclosure combo.
this is achieving the same goal as existing servo subwoofers running in an under-dampened configuration.
I went to "T.H.E. Show" a couple of weeks ago, and saw this thing in person. They side-by-side compared it to Sonos and JBL bluetooth speakers, and it was beyond amazing. That sound is not possibly coming from that little box. With their $50 off show discount bringing it down to $550, I was still not tempted. I would love the speaker, but it's simply too rich for my blood! Looking at a Sonos Move 2 now--was on sale for $359, but back up to $449. Darn it! 😵💫
**Ellis carries a "huge" subwoofer out of frame**
**me, realizes how crazy my home theater really is when he thinks thats "huge"**
For real. I have 15”s, those are big
As the owner of a full Marty 18" and svs sb3000, his idea of bass is cute.
@@mattb4251I have 2 JTR Captivator 4000ULFs in my home theater. 4 18s total, 520lbs of pure, house destroying subsonic bass. 110dB at 10Hz, 125dB at 20Hz. My first sub was an SVS PB-1000 I got on sale for about $400, bigger than that Genelec (although arguably not as good, better value for sure though). I'm willing to bet that Bluetooth speaker doesn't even have as much bass as my Wharfedale bookshelves.
Yeah. That was a tiny subwoofer. Mine isn't as crazy as the others in this thread, but mine with 4 ft³ gets me to subsonic.
Haha yup! I he was saying that I looked over at the PB16 Ultra. Little does he know 😂
Corrected title: "How this Speaker Used Physics"
If you want a bassy speaker then you don't want a good speaker. Bass Reflex speakers produce a longer lasting bass reponse that will remove clarity from the sound eventually. Acoustic Suspension speakers produce the best sound but they need beefier amps capable of getting the vibrating surfaces where they need to be. I don't have the money to get neither of those so I use Bass Reflex speakers. BTW, with modern digital amplifiers Hoffman's law doesn't apply - it did apply in 1961 when the only way to get good amps was by using vacuum tubes. Since the Tripath release the TA2020, digital amps became good with nice SNR and low distortions. Tripath was eventually purchased by Texas Instruments.
"Laws of Physics" aren't actually Laws - they are models that describe the physical worls as we perceive it. In the late 19th century Physicists were sure they could describe the physical world perfectly - with the exception of a few minos discrepancies. Thoser were the orbit of Mercury, the speed distribution of molecules in gases, the ultraviolet collapse when black bodies were heated and some weird black lines that showed up when a wide enough spectrography of light coming from stars were produced. The first problem (Mercury's orbit) was solved by Einstein's Relativity and the other ones by Quantum Physics. And even after that we still think we live in the in the Newtonian world ... a world where everything can be explained by simple mechanistic relationships. What made the world we live in turn into an improved version of Hell is the ideas propagate by Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan: The British PM made us believe there's no society just individuals while the former Hollywood B movie actor simply got a microphone and said "Greed is good".
Now we have problems that, if we don't fix them, will end human life on Earth - and these problems aren't linear and escape Math's ability to long term predictions. Meanwhile, we became linear bots who think how much money one has is the only measure of someones value.
And this is how you create an off-topic rant. LMFAO !
Why is this dude's default facial expression "cynically disgusted by smelling the nastiest fart"?
Brane!!! I have 2 of those and the Stereo mode is absolutely incredible.
NEW ELLIS VID LETS GO
planar magnetic IEM's have all three, at least when you plug them in your ears. Loud, bassy, small
Cant believe I watched a whole video about a speaker without actually hearing the speaker. Maybe I watched it wrong
Or, just maybe, it makes no sense to record and replay a sound that your setup cannot reproduce right...
@@ABa-os6wm There are plenty of YT videos that can demonstrate great sound and sound effects. He didn't even try. Could've given a disclaimer about limitations with viewer equipment, etc.
You want bass? Infinity RS4 1990 tower speakers (not the RS4Bs) and put them in the corner of a room. The bass is OUT OF CONTROL and yet it still doesn't overtake the other frequencies when used with other speakers! Insane for 1990!
In order to make base you have to displace a lot of air. One of the most efficient ways to do so with minimal space is a hemholtz resonator. Tuning the resonator to a subsonic frequency alleviates a lot of the group delay problems. Simply putting a hole in a speaker cabinet does not relieve the back pressure. In fact there is a phase delay at certain frequencies down to the resonant frequency at which point the air is out of phase with that hole or event and it actually creates more back pressure at the resident frequency reducing the speaker cone Excursion dramatically. As such the hole or vent becomes the primary dominant source of Bass output.
THE BACKGROUND JAZZ MUSIC SLAPS!!!!
The implied design sounds like a duplex speaker; 2 speakers face to face, one in phase and one out of phase. A push-pull setup.
That would just be a Ripol wouldn't it.
Yes, but it sounds like they're trying to do that magnetically, not 2 cones, but 2 sets of magnets.
I guess the morale of the story is to make sure you add "not sponsored" to your video or you will get endless unfounded hate comments...
congrats! your channel is in my blacklist from now on!
First video I’ve seen of yours other that the podcast
Very entertaining 😊
It would be awesome if these amazing new speakers were actually affordable. I mean i get it, it's breakthrough technology that's very expensive to R&D, but dang, $600 portable Bluetooth speaker? Thats actually crazy.
this is a brilliant video. ellis, make more of these. this is so intriguing, and the editing and music is so chill.
it's a useless video - they don't even mention the supposed specs, let alone validate the claims. it's just marketing ploy.
@TheExileFox I didnt even know how speakers worked, much less subwoofers, before this video. Don't comment if it's just going to be negative 😊
@@tentobeans If you want to learn about how speakers actually work, there are plenty of actually informative videos here from people who acually no what they are talking about not just a guy claiming to know his stuff. No need to humour this video ad if you learnt something you didn't expect to.
@@ashyouknow7420 :) but i did learn something i didn't expect to, because i just clicked on this video cuz im an ellis stan :)
@@ashyouknow7420 i don't really care to learn the intricates of how speakers work, but it was a nice fun fact to learn while enjoying a video from one of my favorite channels. no need for hate, bud.
I passed Ellis the other day on a street and he told me to watch Dune 2.
This is the “Perfectest” video i’ve ever watched From the explanation to the editing, everything is just superb 👌🏽
"How This Speaker Broke Physics" : Proceeds to walk through a whole 10minute video with zero calculations or physics demonstrations.
I really enjoyed this video style. It was really refreshing 👍
no actual specs on their website - I remain sceptical
For $600 it also breaks your bank!
Those iLoud micromonitors are incredible for their size. I own three sets of them; one for my bedroom tv, one to compliment my mixing/mastering setup and a travel kit when I have to mix at other studios. They are my 'realworld' reference and I use them extensively.
Wow such a great speaker review…. That sound test was just amazing. That bass blow my headphones
You make kind of a promo video for a speaker and not even once you made the audience hear it compared to any other speaker 🤣🤣
This has the best audio of any tech video I’ve ever watched
6.5 inch 200 watt? That jawn has no subwoofer. Thats just a woofer.
200 what's, or 200 W PMPO?
I bet for most music it's GREAT, but 7:28 especially for watching movies? With not even decent stereo separation?
Ellis and marques… just hear the Anker Soundcore Boost… this tiny water bottle sized speaker produces enough bass for most people and also has neutral and clear imaging. People wont be needing more bass than this as the deep and mid bass is quite boosted than the rest of the frequency response.
Is this sponsored content?
100%
Good question, now I’m curious as well!
Definitely has to be
Nope, otherwise they would have disclosed it.
@@Aeleas333 There wasn't even a demo of the acoustics, LOL. It was pure marketing materials delivered via "trust me, bro".
Do not waste time on the video if you want to “hear, what it’s capable of.
how tf do u expect it to be? You will never hear how it actually performs through a video
Look up rotary speakers. They're so potent that they'll literally put cracks in the walls of your house.
Like Leslies on a B3
the sneakiest ad Ive ever watched, damn son, logging off internet now.
I remember being so excited about my Bose 901s. And it seems like this is a real breakthrough that's got you excited too! I don't do much audio these days but glad to see innovators are still pushing the envelope.
Your explanation was really bad, you say the three factors are "small, loud, and bassy" and then you start talking about "efficiency" being one of the three factors.
What a cool video. Great job in explaining the more technical audio topics in a clear and concise way. We know it's not so easy 😉 Also, now I'm very curious how those speakers sound. I want to check them out!
If you are actually into audio engineering, you should know this video is bad. Because: without plotting the frequency response, taking dB measurements (at 1 meter distance) and not mentioning the specs - it's just (indirect) marketing ploy.
Who ever you are, managing the Lewitt page, ask an engineer before supporting this kind of marketing trash that pretends to be technical. Lewitt makes good products and this type of comment leads to belive that the company is headed in the wrong direction.
The price 😭
Guys, I am confused that there are only a few videos about this speaker on the web till this date. I want to see some good comparisons to get an good idea what this thing is capable of. I own a JBL Extreme 3 too and really want to get an reasonable upgrade that still fits in my backpack. The next bigger JBL Boombox 3 is waaay to big for my backback. So I am really looking forward to get _more_ content about this speaker. I already read the review on rtings which lowered my excitement for the brane x speaker. So I want to figure myself out if this thing is good or not for my usecase with A vs B comparison videos. But atm there are none!
I agree. This thing's prototype lit up the Consumer Electronics Show in January, then...crickets. You can look up a JBL or Ultimate Ears speaker and spend an entire weekend reading reviews, specs, and measurements. This speaker? Nothing. It's like whatever the opposite of marketing is.
haha. yeah they do nearly no marketing at all. i followed them on facebook. I am even a bit mad they offered a 100$ discount as an "back to scool" thingy and additionally 50$ off if you purchase the speaker in their store. They still dont ship international. So no discount for me as an german.
But after i saw more content showing up on youtube, I am convinced this thing can deliver an experience that wasnt possible before in this speaker size.
On the other hand i heared they might release next year another version of their speaker.
All in all I am not happy with this. Bad Marketing. Still not enough reviews. No comparison with devialet mania on youtube. What will the next Modell be? Should I wait? International Shipping in fall.
meeeeeh.
But they do not even list the speakers' frequency response and range on their own side under the features. How am I going to know if it can go as low as 20Hz?
YOU DID NOT EVEN TEST THE SPEAKER THAT YOU SPENT AN ENTIRE VIDEO PRAISING!!!!!! 🤯🤯🤦🏾♂
How to make the most boring Speaker Ad disguised as a review.
Isn't it good TH-cam removed the dislike button.
4.9k dislikes at this time
😂
Wow it’s an ad. Well done luring me into that for 2 min. 😮
Love Elis and his audio talk. More of this please!
So uh... you going to show us it in action or ramble on about how great of a product a 560$ speaker is with zero proof to back it up? well I just just wasted like 10minutes of my life
You didn’t explained the physics behind the speaker. You only made advertising. 😡
Why is he always squinting so hard??
Mkbhd should do recruitment as an additional career. This team is superb.
You totally glossed over how the "magnetic spring" works. You mentioned it's a magnet. Also it's an electromagnet. The way you describe it sound like a speaker magnet and coil. So is this a secondary internal speaker to compensate for the primary one or what?
software is the biggest reason so many Bluetooth speakers sound way bigger than they are, They make a half decent speaker/box/passive radiator combo and then physically tune out the unwanted harmonics and boost the ones they want. It's alot the reason why its so hard to make small DIY speakers that come anywhere near as close as commercial ones without a programmable amp and the mic and monitoring software for it.
Wow...i tought i would hear it break that law but the only thing that happened is watching a advertisment of a commercial without the product demo
I can confirm this speaker is a legit sound bar replacement, you can pair up to 8 in stereo and each one outputs 200 watts on battery. The company has grown immensely in the last year and the X is worth every penny. Cant wait for them to release more speakers that focus on pinpoint directional highs with special electrostatic drivers. Brane isn't just a one off company, they are shaping up to be a true pioneer in audiophile grade portable speakers.
So, this is a 3 way portable speaker with DSP tuning from anechoic chamber calibration. Neat.
Opening hs8 in front of the camera but can't do that on this product plus no sound demo or see the inside or specs of that speaker is crazy
Give us the freq response and the max spl of those lower frequencies.
You're incorrect about one of the three parameters of Hoffman's Iron Law.
It's not loud, its efficient.
They should label ads or something. And this is a bass speaker -but not a subwoofer. You can use all sorts of different methods to move a cone - but the origin of the sound comes from the speaker cone. A cool new way to shake the speaker cone - does not change the speaker cones range of movement.
I enjoy seeing how the apple diving glasses looking thing is being used properly in a work environment.
4:36 Is it really a boost, or just less dissipation of those frequencies?