@@rwdavis22461really ? It’s very easy to determine what a players value range is. It’s all numbers. Pete let emotion get in his way. He’s 💯 at fault. Nobody else !
Usually Scott’s clients are worthy of the large contracts they ask for. Alonso thinks he’s better than he is and needs to realize he’s a good hitter, but nowhere near great. If Alonso wants the haters to shut up just hit 50+ home runs and stop swinging at every pitch outside the zone, that simple.
Just watching replay of Pete's blast to save Mets from elimination. That AB also allowed us to play the hated Phillies so we could pull some awesome comebacks, and have Lindor finish them with a grand slam crushing the soul of their wretched fan base. Which allowed us to compete with the Dodgers until late in game 6 of the NLCS. Pete should be a Met.
@xKillZone99 First of all, we don't know that, the odds were highly against it. So much so that Pete was the 1st to ever do it. Second, he DID do it. He won that game, no one else. Don't take that from him or downplay it.
@lauracoover3738 odds were not against it 2 runners were on and mets still rallied after petes homerun, you pretending like after Devin Willaims wasnt struggling to every single batter he faced that inning
@@xKillZone99 Check out the win probabilities then. The additional runs came in garbage time, AFTER Pete put the game away. Isn't that how all you Pete haters describe his homers when the winning run has already been scored? Suck it up buttercup.
@@xKillZone99 I hate this kind of revisionism. If Pete made an out, the Mets would have been in a 2-out elimination proposition. There is absolutely no way to know that they "100% win that game anyway." That is simply absurd. What we know, based on facts, is that Pete put the Mets ahead and they were able then to add on ONE security run.
All this Santander contract tells me is that Alonso is absolutely asking for too much money. Santander has many similarities to Alonso, and with Santander only getting a $18.5 million AAV (without subtracting signing bonus & deferrals), tells me that Alonso, AT MOST, is worth $22 million per season. I'll give him $3.5 million more per season because he plays 1B vs DH only, is homegrown, and has a realistic chance to top Strawberry's Mets HR record. With that being said, if I were Stearns, I would hold firm on 3 years, $70 million ($23.33 AAV). I would give him a $20 million signing bonus to make his 25' AAV only $10 million (yes, front load this deal). If he Opt-Outs after the 25' season, so be it. However, if he doesn't have a monster season and prefers to stay with the Mets for 2 more years at $20 million per, I would then have Alonso DH for those two years while still making Vladimir Guerrero Jr our long-term 1B. LGM!!!
I totally agree.. Santander contract does not help Alonso, 18.5 AAV for 5 yrs.. Makes a 75M 3 yr. contract AAV of 25M look really good and very fair .. so what is Alonso & Boras thinking.. u are continuing to piss off the fan base .. we are NOT 🚫 stupid !!
@@salvation2979that might be the case, that the blue jays are all in. But all in doesn’t matter when the player wants to leave, for a better team. Look at Soto. Obviously Yankees are all in. AND the Yankees had matched Soto’s highest offer. And Soto left the Yankees. Vladdy can do the same.
It is about the years and total contract value. Alonso got a 3/68-70 million offer and Santander got 5/92.5+ million. There is a difference there. Mets can try to negotiate a little more AAV if they don't want to give him more than 3 years.
I strongly disagree with the idea that the Mets don’t need Pete as much as Pete needs the Mets. It doesn’t matter how it gets done-just figure it out and make it happen.
Its crazy how the mets went from a possible Soto, Alonso, Santander, Bregman, and Lindor lineup. To hoping the Farm system can make up the possible 40 home runs they lost by not resigning Alonso. Lets not forget where we were a month ago with who they could have signed and who they watched sign elsewhere. The best GM on the mets is the Owner. He should have made all the decisions. This off season has been half assed.
There ARE NO suitors for Alonso now with the Jays off the board. The Mets have all the leverage. Profar is a good first baseman. So the Mets should offer Alonso a 2-year deal for $46M. That’s very fair considering the market.
@@Patrick-o8l6mthe Jays just might be desperate enough to make Pete a ridiculous offer, as they did for Santander. They know their window to contend closes after 2025 when their two remaining stars leave.
@@brutusmaxyou're right, it would be an overpay. But they've already showed they're willing to overpay (Soto), so they're likely to bend a little for their homegrown star so he stays to break more team records. I wouldn't e surprised by 3yr/$70-72mil with opt outs each yr.
@@salvation2979I'd say they're going for it in 2025 because they know they won't have much of a team afterwards w/their two remaining stars leaving after '25. They know no one wants to sign there.
Hi, Wardy! Let’s please get Pete already!! Come on, let’s do this already!! Let’s get this done already!! Come on!! Please Pete come back, come back home already!! You’re the Polar Bear!! We need you!! Please!!!
If Pete comes back he needs to bat with Soto behind him not ahead of him. It's Pete who has been needing that real true protection in the Mets lineup and now they have Soto. So if he works out he should bat right in front of Soto. My lineup is on another level. It's different from how the Mets are most likely going to line it up. I think what's really slowing this down is Vlad. If Vlad wasn't going to be available Pete would've been signed a long time ago. Probably right after they signed Soto or even before.
It’s all krap! From every single angle! From Pete it’s krap! From The Mets it’s krap! From The Media it’s krap! From ALL The Social Media Influencers it’s krap! From My Fellow Mets Fans it’s krap! This whole GD situation is KRAP!
Decent ain't going to get it done. This is why I was pushing for Bregman and Alonso. That lineup doesn't scare the dodgers. The Phils with their monster rotation or the Braves. If the Mets had a combo of Bregman and Alonso or Bregman and Yandy Diaz, that would put fear in opposing pitching staffs hearts. Will it happen, of course not but doesn't mean it shouldn't if the Mets are really trying to win it all bc it will be difficult with what is in our league and our division at that
Wardy, I haven't believed a thing Martino says ever since in 2015-6 winter he looked straight into the camera. He said "sorry, you poor delusional Mets fans but no chance Céspedes signs back here. Just stop hoping, it's NEVER happening." He's FOS with no real sources then & even less now. Proved it with Soto signing too. I hope with all my ❤ Pete signs, not only bc we love him & he belongs here, but Mets need him in the lineup. They better make him feel good & wrap it up soon bc his pride can only take so much beating.
Boras blew everything up. Never really focused on Pete until all the elite pieces were placed. He's a good agent for some, but not for others. Unless you are elite, don't even think of using him. That's now crystal clear.
So Santander is only 30, but Alonso is in decline at 30. It all comes down to the years/total dollar value and not the AAV in a shorter-term deal. Alonso got offered 68-70 million while Santander is getting 92.5 million plus at the same age and Alonso has had a better career.
@ I have no idea since I am not sure what their conversations are about, but I am sure they are trying to get the highest total contract amount. Alonso apparently asked for 3/90 and Mets offered 3/68-70, they should be able to meet somewhere in the middle. I am sure Mets won’t offer 5 years
If the Mets sign Profar for say $15 million and eat most of Marte’s contract, they could be paying $30-$35 million instead of signing Alonso. Makes no sense unless they keep Marte, but still pay $35 million.
I think Pete must be panicking right now. I would go back to the Mets, get an opt out for the first year, have a career year behind Soto, then test FA again.. because there will be teams that miss out on Vladdy and they’ll pivot to Alonso
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Vientos at first base he has no glove to play first base. Alonso has a tremendous defensive glove at first base and has saved a lot of games with his defensive play at first base.
That ship has sailed. We made him several good offers. I prefer he takes a hike and we let the young prospects play. Let's see what they can do. As it is our pitching is suspect, use this year to see what we have of use in the farm.
The Times of India had a breaking news article about Pete going to the Angles. Only problem was that the Times of India got Pete's name wrong...Pete Morgan. Was that a Freudian Slip or is it the first step towards obscurity?
I don’t think it’s an outrageous ask- give Pete 3y for 27 with incentive laden contract where a guaranteed 4th yr kicks in or a mutual option then the 4th yr would be Give him opt out after year 2
@ I just do not see any attractive bat options left unless we unload the farm for a trade bat. Although I agree whole heartedly and my opinion of Pete has changed drastically I don’t feel that’s an outrageous pkg to offer when we desperately need that bat in the line up. Otherwise I feel we’re a 3rd place roster at best- unsure we match the luck and magic of last year s currently built
Fans won't go for it, but maybe Stearns would. Fans, many of them anyway, are just so locked into the "screw Pete" mindset that they -- whether they admit this to themselves or not -- would rather see Pete get screwed than see the Mets "give in to him" and put the best team on the field this year. It is a bizarre phenomenon, to be sure. But it is cropping up everywhere.
I wouldn't honestly bet that neither of those things happen. If there is an addition, I think it will be a low-cost RH reliever (Stanek?). But anything beyond that would surprise me. I'm fully expecting the Mets to open the season in '25 with Vientos at 1b and Baty at 3b. I guess we'll see. Is what it is.
@Tony.1974 he's not getting a better offer so he will eventually take what he can get from the Mets. His market just got even worse with Santander signing. Mets offer should drop further. We're gonna get Pete at clearance sale price.
@@TheMacdod I don't know. I'm guessing Pete has some pride. If it comes to taking a "clearance sale price," .. I could legit see Pete take a one-year deal with someone like the Angels just to get a reset after this season. From my perspective ... we heard so much in the recruitment of Soto that the Mets are a "family," .. yet now with Pete -- who has been a great Met -- finally hits free agency, it is "just business." I think there are some intangibles that should be taken into consideration here, but I don't think Stearns cares about that. At this point, I basically view him as a robot.
@ I'm sorry, but I get off the train at this point. It is NOT just business, or at least it shouldn't be. It is sports, something about which so many are passionate. It should, especially, not just be "business" when the $25 billion dollar owner of the team you cheer for declares at outset that he is committed to winning multiple WS, at least one within 5 years. Sorry, if this becomes "just business" for me, as a current fan, at any point down the road ... I'm just out. Why would I want to cheer for a "business?"
With Santander out I would sign PETE for 4 yrs / $95 w Deferrals NOTE - This SHOULD NOT affect getting VLAD at ALL. Winker is only ONE year . We can have PETE and VLAD FROM 2026 -2029 together being Pete DH.
Guys - Pete should be signed and CARLOS MENDOZA also has to protect Pete. Last year he used Iglesias after Pete in the 5th Spot ???? We need to protect SOTO AND PETE
@@dwaynebanks4194 Santander doesn't want to do FA at 33, 35... He could retire if he wants. 5yrs w/ 30+ Hrs & near 100 rbi. (150+ Hrs & 500+ RBIs) That's what Alonso wants!!! (I'm shaking my head)
Love seeing Met fans think that Santander signing with Jays means mets have a better chance at Alonso. It all comes down to will Boras give in and sign the Mets offer. If Boras/Pete dont want the mets offer and another team offers him more Pete is good as gone. Dont think Santander signing with Jays has much affect on Pete. Jays are apparently still in on Pete as well
I doubt the jays would get Alonso on top of Santander. Plus Springer is in RF. It would be much to platoon Vlad, Santander, and Alonso into the lineup. Besides the jays, there isn’t a market with Alonso.
@@DannyD0816your buggin, if that happens you think that helps or hurts their negotiations with trying to sign him long term? Dude he wouldnt even blink to tell the Jays to go screw themselves and bounce if forced to play third.
People don't want to come here. Surely the Mets beat that offer. As for Alonso: the contract talks have gotten too ugly. I don't see him coming here no matter what
Surprised by your extreme optimism of a Alonso return... Anything is possible at this point... I think we learn NOTHING, until we know if Vlad Guerrero resigns with Blue Jays... If he resigns, then Mets might think we need a 1st basemen for the next few years... If Vlad DOES NOT resign, NO WAY Mets sign Alonso!!!! They will wait to see what happens next off season... And fill the year gap in house... Like Vientos to 1st, and Mcneil and Iglesias taking 3B and 2B etc.
@roccodelellis7254 VLAD GUERRERO JR IS A VASTLY INFERIOR PLAYER TO PETE ALONSO. PETE ALONSO IS THE GREATEST OFFENSIVE FORCE IN BASEBALL AND THE GREATEST OFFENSIVE FORCE OF HIS GENERATION.
@roccodelellis7254 @roccodelellis7254 IN THE 2024 POSTSEASON PETE ALONSO SCORED MORE RUNS THAN FREEMAN AND JUDGE; MORE HITS THAN JUDGE; MORE HOMERUNS THAN OHTANI, JUDGE, SOTO, AND FREEMAN; MORE RBI THAN SOTO AND FREEMAN; MORE WALKS THAN JUDGE AND FREEMAN; FEWER STRIKOUTS THAN JUDGE AND OHTANI; MORE STOLEN BASES THAN SOTO, OHTANI, AND FREEMAN; HIGHER AVERAGE THAN OHTANI, JUDGE, AND FREEMAN; HIGHER OBP, HIGHER SLUGGING % AND HIGHER OPS THAN JUDGE, OHTANI, AND FREEMAN IN FEWER AT BATS THAN FREEMAN, JUDGE, SOTO, AND OHTANI. PETE ALONSO IS A HISTORICALLY UNPRECEDENTED POSTSEASON PERFORMER WHO HAS CONSISTENTLY DELIVERED IN CLUTCH SITUATIONS AND SAVED THE METS SEASON WITH HIS OFFENCE AND DEFENCE.
Would rather have Vlad jr next year. Pete passed on 158 million 7 years and lost his gamble on himself. You know that is realty when you lose gamble. Played 6 years with Mets all this supposed Met fan sweet talk like him been there for 12 years. Get over it. We could get a better entering his prime. Pete's prime is gone now.
Pay him 23 million a year then give him incentive s to make more money. Like a million for 40 or 500,000gor 35 hrs.A million for 100 rbies or 500 000 for 90 or more A million for mvp
You're obviously not very versed in contracts negotiations. First rule: Don't set precedents. Other owners will hate you. Second rule: You do it for one player, you have to do it for all.
Can't be bonuses/incentives for stats. MVP, Batting title, All-Star are OK. It's like shaving points... the players are working for their own stats, not the team outcome. For example, Last place team, player hits 50HRs, 130 RBIs, 50 steals, crazy # of Dbls, sac flies/bunts, whatever they could affect/ manipulate.
The Blue Jays had a blow him away to get him 3 years okay he's definitely not worked 5 years and I did not want him on this team a two or three year yes not 5 years
I’m not going to lie, I’ll get really annoyed if Stearns’ goal is just to get Alonso to take a cheaper deal (which he’ll come back disgruntled) than signing a player like Santander. I will be LIVID. Pete is not a scary AB enough to protect Soto. Find a way how to get Vladdy Jr between this year and the next or I smell underwhelming success.
Yeah, he's been sh_t talked by every announcer, GM, reporter, etc. Some of it is exaggerated and nothing but projection or reiterated "copy." Iglesias was 34 and had a great year.
At this rate, the METS and PHILLIES will have something in common in the 2025 season. They'll look like two AAA teams trying to dethrone the DODGERS. MISSION IMPOSSIBLE!!!
I definitely more prefer Santander over marte, Santander is a much better offensive hitter alot better than marte, n should've still trade marte for pitching so that opens the DH and RF SPOT for Santander. Extremely huge mistake from mets manager
The Mets don't have to save face. They've made Pete 2 very generous offers which he turned down. He's either too greedy, overvalues himself, or both. Saving face is on Pete.
Don’t worry guys we have Sterns the best general manager ever to come to the Mets. Don’t worry guys we got this. We’ll pick up every trash out there. Bring it to the Mets. We’ll make them better. We already lost Santander now we’re going to lose p Alonso thanks to the general manager David Sterns, the best of the best????🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
I agree, in no way does the Santander signing mean that there's a better chance of Pete's return. It is very, very doubtful that Pete returns. Really, the Mets front office doesn't want Pete back, and there's a lot more evidence of that.
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Love you Wardy, great job. God bless you. Continued success.
I too think Pete is coming back. Atleast I really hope he is. We still need another back. Bring Pete back Steve, enough is enough.
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Pete never should have hired Scott Boras. A deal would have been done by now.
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The deal would have been done last year if he never listened to that fucking guy.
@jwvvvv nobody knew that Pete's market would close like it did .
@@rwdavis22461really ? It’s very easy to determine what a players value range is. It’s all numbers. Pete let emotion get in his way. He’s 💯 at fault. Nobody else !
Usually Scott’s clients are worthy of the large contracts they ask for. Alonso thinks he’s better than he is and needs to realize he’s a good hitter, but nowhere near great. If Alonso wants the haters to shut up just hit 50+ home runs and stop swinging at every pitch outside the zone, that simple.
Just watching replay of Pete's blast to save Mets from elimination. That AB also allowed us to play the hated Phillies so we could pull some awesome comebacks, and have Lindor finish them with a grand slam crushing the soul of their wretched fan base. Which allowed us to compete with the Dodgers until late in game 6 of the NLCS.
Pete should be a Met.
mets were buzzing so much that inning that even if pete doesn't hit that homerun they 100% win that game anyway
@xKillZone99 First of all, we don't know that, the odds were highly against it. So much so that Pete was the 1st to ever do it. Second, he DID do it. He won that game, no one else. Don't take that from him or downplay it.
@lauracoover3738 odds were not against it 2 runners were on and mets still rallied after petes homerun, you pretending like after Devin Willaims wasnt struggling to every single batter he faced that inning
@@xKillZone99 Check out the win probabilities then. The additional runs came in garbage time, AFTER Pete put the game away. Isn't that how all you Pete haters describe his homers when the winning run has already been scored? Suck it up buttercup.
@@xKillZone99 I hate this kind of revisionism. If Pete made an out, the Mets would have been in a 2-out elimination proposition. There is absolutely no way to know that they "100% win that game anyway." That is simply absurd. What we know, based on facts, is that Pete put the Mets ahead and they were able then to add on ONE security run.
All this Santander contract tells me is that Alonso is absolutely asking for too much money. Santander has many similarities to Alonso, and with Santander only getting a $18.5 million AAV (without subtracting signing bonus & deferrals), tells me that Alonso, AT MOST, is worth $22 million per season. I'll give him $3.5 million more per season because he plays 1B vs DH only, is homegrown, and has a realistic chance to top Strawberry's Mets HR record. With that being said, if I were Stearns, I would hold firm on 3 years, $70 million ($23.33 AAV). I would give him a $20 million signing bonus to make his 25' AAV only $10 million (yes, front load this deal). If he Opt-Outs after the 25' season, so be it. However, if he doesn't have a monster season and prefers to stay with the Mets for 2 more years at $20 million per, I would then have Alonso DH for those two years while still making Vladimir Guerrero Jr our long-term 1B. LGM!!!
I totally agree.. Santander contract does not help Alonso, 18.5 AAV for 5 yrs.. Makes a 75M 3 yr. contract AAV of 25M look really good and very fair .. so what is Alonso & Boras thinking.. u are continuing to piss off the fan base .. we are NOT 🚫 stupid !!
No, what this should tell you is VLAD is staying in toronto. Blue Jays are alll in
Perfectly said!
Very well thought-out reply
@@salvation2979that might be the case, that the blue jays are all in. But all in doesn’t matter when the player wants to leave, for a better team. Look at Soto. Obviously Yankees are all in. AND the Yankees had matched Soto’s highest offer. And Soto left the Yankees. Vladdy can do the same.
Santander signs for 18.5M AAV but people want to say 22-23M for Pete is somehow a lowball offer 😂😂
Now that I think about it why couldn’t we sign Santander? Definitely could’ve, I can see Alonso trying to negotiate soon
SANTANDER IS AN INFERIOR PLAYER TO PETE ALONSO. PETE ALONSO IS THE GREATEST OFFENSIVE FORCE OF HIS GENERATION.
@@homerunhitters333😂😂😂😂😂
Santander had better numbers than Alonso this season
It is about the years and total contract value. Alonso got a 3/68-70 million offer and Santander got 5/92.5+ million. There is a difference there. Mets can try to negotiate a little more AAV if they don't want to give him more than 3 years.
Good job wardy .i like your stuff
Nice hat, you gotta sell those special nice ones. Those are hard to find
I strongly disagree with the idea that the Mets don’t need Pete as much as Pete needs the Mets. It doesn’t matter how it gets done-just figure it out and make it happen.
If the Mets get Anthony Rizo, this will be a disaster. He’s trash.
It will be a disaster with Baty at third
I think it is more likely that Rizzo gets signed than Alonso at this point. Hope I'm wrong.
@@Patrick-o8l6m Agree completely.
Alonso will sign for a 2 year 50-55m contract back with the Mets. Save this comment. Common sense guys come on
I think he'll hold out for a third year just to save face. Maybe 3/$72-75mil.
Its crazy how the mets went from a possible Soto, Alonso, Santander, Bregman, and Lindor lineup. To hoping the Farm system can make up the possible 40 home runs they lost by not resigning Alonso. Lets not forget where we were a month ago with who they could have signed and who they watched sign elsewhere. The best GM on the mets is the Owner. He should have made all the decisions. This off season has been half assed.
Nailed it. Stearns is over analyzing things into nothingness. Afraid to sign a bad contract but that’s not how you win championships.
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Thank you Frank!
Pete is not getting nearly enuf credit as a defensive 1b. He has really worked at it successfully
❤❤❤ yeah Wardy!!
There ARE NO suitors for Alonso now with the Jays off the board.
The Mets have all the leverage. Profar is a good first baseman.
So the Mets should offer Alonso a 2-year deal for $46M.
That’s very fair considering the market.
3 years at $75 million
Sf maybe
Jays are still in on Pete
@@rodneyrichards5343 SF, LA Angels, there are still possibilities. But they are shrinking.
@@Patrick-o8l6mthe Jays just might be desperate enough to make Pete a ridiculous offer, as they did for Santander. They know their window to contend closes after 2025 when their two remaining stars leave.
Alonso 2 years 50 million option for 3rd . A opt out after 2025.
He’s lucky if he gets 20 at this point.
you dont get more when there are no bidders. $22.5 mil AAV is an overpay. Look at the market
@@brutusmaxyou're right, it would be an overpay. But they've already showed they're willing to overpay (Soto), so they're likely to bend a little for their homegrown star so he stays to break more team records. I wouldn't e surprised by 3yr/$70-72mil with opt outs each yr.
I want Vladdy!
He’s staying in toronto. Blue jays just got santander. They are going for it
Okay. Then become a Blue Jays fan.
@@salvation2979I'd say they're going for it in 2025 because they know they won't have much of a team afterwards w/their two remaining stars leaving after '25. They know no one wants to sign there.
Pete, fire Boras!
And Fast 😅
Its too late. Mets have all the leverage. Pete's screwed no matter who his agent is.
Omg, it gets worse for Alonso every day it seems. He'll be back in the 🟧🟦 by the end of this wk.
Let's go Mets bring Pete home.
Hi, Wardy! Let’s please get Pete already!! Come on, let’s do this already!! Let’s get this done already!! Come on!! Please Pete come back, come back home already!! You’re the Polar Bear!! We need you!! Please!!!
Hi Wardy … Please talk about our starting pitching. Not feeling too good about it.
Clay Holmes and senga not enough for ya huh? Yeah ehhh I don't know just what the plan is. I'm hopeful but ...
If Pete comes back he needs to bat with Soto behind him not ahead of him. It's Pete who has been needing that real true protection in the Mets lineup and now they have Soto. So if he works out he should bat right in front of Soto. My lineup is on another level. It's different from how the Mets are most likely going to line it up. I think what's really slowing this down is Vlad. If Vlad wasn't going to be available Pete would've been signed a long time ago. Probably right after they signed Soto or even before.
It’s all krap!
From every single angle!
From Pete it’s krap!
From The Mets it’s krap!
From The Media it’s krap!
From ALL The Social Media Influencers it’s krap!
From My Fellow Mets Fans it’s krap!
This whole GD situation is KRAP!
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..from @kevinfarrel I think you should sit down and take a nice pile of krap pal
It’s Crap , not Krap😂
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Minter is a great reliever
Wardy, have looked at the RE24 stats? Enlightening!
Bring back Alonso !! 4 years for $100m is fair to both sides.
Lindor Soto Alonso vientos sounds like a decent top 4 of the lineup
Decent ain't going to get it done. This is why I was pushing for Bregman and Alonso. That lineup doesn't scare the dodgers. The Phils with their monster rotation or the Braves. If the Mets had a combo of Bregman and Alonso or Bregman and Yandy Diaz, that would put fear in opposing pitching staffs hearts. Will it happen, of course not but doesn't mean it shouldn't if the Mets are really trying to win it all bc it will be difficult with what is in our league and our division at that
@@santosavila9312no to Bregman where you play Vientos… too many DHs
Lindor Acuna Soto Alonso Vientos
I agree with you Wardy totally Pets needs us asap !!!
Hopefully Pete will be back, and they go after Profar, with Vientos, Lindor, and Soto, a formidable line up?
just offer him a 1 yr deal 24-27 Mil range and give him option free agency next year ..Mets can then grab Guerrero 😂
I like that. But i dont think Pete will sign for just a year.
Wardy, I haven't believed a thing Martino says ever since in 2015-6 winter he looked straight into the camera. He said "sorry, you poor delusional Mets fans but no chance Céspedes signs back here. Just stop hoping, it's NEVER happening."
He's FOS with no real sources then & even less now. Proved it with Soto signing too. I hope with all my ❤ Pete signs, not only bc we love him & he belongs here, but Mets need him in the lineup. They better make him feel good & wrap it up soon bc his pride can only take so much beating.
Boras blew everything up. Never really focused on Pete until all the elite pieces were placed. He's a good agent for some, but not for others. Unless you are elite, don't even think of using him. That's now crystal clear.
I'm still giving Pete and Scott a deadline since February is getting close.
Good for the ‘Jays. C’mon Mets…c’mon Pete-get this deal done!!
So Santander is only 30, but Alonso is in decline at 30. It all comes down to the years/total dollar value and not the AAV in a shorter-term deal. Alonso got offered 68-70 million while Santander is getting 92.5 million plus at the same age and Alonso has had a better career.
I immediately picked up on that one also 😂
@@juanizquierdo1737 ok so give Alonso 5 for 95. Would he accept that offer? I would hope so but with Scott Boras, the answer is a resounding hell no
@ I have no idea since I am not sure what their conversations are about, but I am sure they are trying to get the highest total contract amount. Alonso apparently asked for 3/90 and Mets offered 3/68-70, they should be able to meet somewhere in the middle. I am sure Mets won’t offer 5 years
Also, for what it is worth, Pete is actually more than 1/2 year younger than Santander. Just sayin'.
@ good catch. Yes indeed
Whats the hold up Stearns is playing small market mind 🤔
@roccodelellis7254 true
If the Mets sign Profar for say $15 million and eat most of Marte’s contract, they could be paying $30-$35 million instead of signing Alonso. Makes no sense unless they keep Marte, but still pay $35 million.
That is an excellent point.
I think Pete must be panicking right now. I would go back to the Mets, get an opt out for the first year, have a career year behind Soto, then test FA again.. because there will be teams that miss out on Vladdy and they’ll pivot to Alonso
I doubt it...Boras is probably feeding him and Bregman "this is all going according to plan" line
@@gary-gt-tsangterrible Scott !
I hope he doesn't mope when he comes back.
@@GregoryJanuska he better mope with .245/40HR/100RBI next year if he wants to opt out and hit free agency with success next year
I still would like another pitcher besides a hitter.
No Vientos at first please
Why not? Just curious
@ he cannot play there.. You want him concentrating on hitting not trying to learn a new position. Too much pressure on a 2nd year player
Pete Alonso, has been the BEST bet ever! Let’s go Mets for Pete’s & Mets sake! Stop going around in Circles! The Polar Bear 🐻❄️ is a no brainer! FantasticoMets69 for over 5 Decades & counting! Pete will have best season, Ever ! ! 😅😢🎉🎉
Vientos at first base he has no glove to play first base. Alonso has a tremendous defensive glove at first base and has saved a lot of games with his defensive play at first base.
Iglesias still on the loop?
Pete on our terms or take a hike
Yes. Where else would he go? There isn’t a market plus any more delay and he’s missing or coming late into spring training.
He either takes it or sits out. If he sits out he can kiss the MLB goodbye.
That ship has sailed. We made him several good offers. I prefer he takes a hike and we let the young prospects play. Let's see what they can do. As it is our pitching is suspect, use this year to see what we have of use in the farm.
@@JimmyIsYesmanpro Pete could go to Japan probably
@@campbeja001if your referring to Baty give me a break rather overpay for Pete then have Baty play third he stinks
The Times of India had a breaking news article about Pete going to the Angles. Only problem was that the Times of India got Pete's name wrong...Pete Morgan. Was that a Freudian Slip or is it the first step towards obscurity?
I give it a 4 in 10 chance of him coming back on a 3 yr deal. Ah, the beauty of DH in the NL
We should of gotten him
San Fran🤮 San Francisco 👍 Thank you
Wardy you might be surprised that Pete is not a Met.
18*5=90 mill for Antony Santander?
Why couldn’t we pay him… if he is consistent I would say he is worth more than 90 mil over 5
David stern is going to Destroy the Mets.
LOL! I just heard that the Dodgers are signing Pete Alonso.
Come home Pete
😢😢😢😢 Crying about Alonso?
Man on that contract I wouldve took Santander in a heart beat
Stearns ain't giving up that many years to a slugger.
I don’t think it’s an outrageous ask- give Pete 3y for 27 with incentive laden contract where a guaranteed 4th yr kicks in or a mutual option then the 4th yr would be
Give him opt out after year 2
@@Bu-Dog absolutely not, he dug himself that hole, mutual opt out after one
@ I just do not see any attractive bat options left unless we unload the farm for a trade bat. Although I agree whole heartedly and my opinion of Pete has changed drastically I don’t feel that’s an outrageous pkg to offer when we desperately need that bat in the line up. Otherwise I feel we’re a 3rd place roster at best- unsure we match the luck and magic of last year s currently built
Fans won't go for it, but maybe Stearns would. Fans, many of them anyway, are just so locked into the "screw Pete" mindset that they -- whether they admit this to themselves or not -- would rather see Pete get screwed than see the Mets "give in to him" and put the best team on the field this year. It is a bizarre phenomenon, to be sure. But it is cropping up everywhere.
We have to get this deal done with Alonso point simple LETS GO METS
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like i have been saying. BLUE JAYS ARE ALL IN. Us mets think we will get everyone. and btw, VlaD is staying in toronto!
Vladdy is not staying
In toronto… he is going to get $500 mil from at least 3 other teams in the states
This week Stearns will sign either Alonso or Profar.
I wouldn't honestly bet that neither of those things happen. If there is an addition, I think it will be a low-cost RH reliever (Stanek?). But anything beyond that would surprise me. I'm fully expecting the Mets to open the season in '25 with Vientos at 1b and Baty at 3b. I guess we'll see. Is what it is.
Boras is a bad influence
Ask Soto.
Stay patient. We're gonna get Pete dirt cheap.
How are they gave 2 good offers turned them both down get a clue
@Tony.1974 he's not getting a better offer so he will eventually take what he can get from the Mets. His market just got even worse with Santander signing. Mets offer should drop further. We're gonna get Pete at clearance sale price.
@@TheMacdod I don't know. I'm guessing Pete has some pride. If it comes to taking a "clearance sale price," .. I could legit see Pete take a one-year deal with someone like the Angels just to get a reset after this season. From my perspective ... we heard so much in the recruitment of Soto that the Mets are a "family," .. yet now with Pete -- who has been a great Met -- finally hits free agency, it is "just business." I think there are some intangibles that should be taken into consideration here, but I don't think Stearns cares about that. At this point, I basically view him as a robot.
@dashx1103 in the end it is just business. Be patient. We will get Pete cheap. He f'd up and has no leverage.
@ I'm sorry, but I get off the train at this point. It is NOT just business, or at least it shouldn't be. It is sports, something about which so many are passionate. It should, especially, not just be "business" when the $25 billion dollar owner of the team you cheer for declares at outset that he is committed to winning multiple WS, at least one within 5 years. Sorry, if this becomes "just business" for me, as a current fan, at any point down the road ... I'm just out. Why would I want to cheer for a "business?"
meet in the middle at 3 years 80 mil
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ISNT alonso only at the age of 30
Yep for the whole 2025 season
Yep. He's actually younger than Santander, who will turn 31 shortly.
I would still like them to sign a "full time" DH even if they sign Alonso.
That ain’t happening. They are doing dh platoon with winker and marte or whoever is hot at the time.
If they sign Pete are they out on profar
Depends if Marte gets traded but probably
With Santander out I would sign PETE for 4 yrs / $95 w Deferrals
NOTE - This SHOULD NOT affect getting VLAD at ALL.
Winker is only ONE year . We can have PETE and VLAD FROM 2026 -2029 together being Pete DH.
For PETE to go back to 40+ HR’s he CANNOT play every game of the season . MAX 150 games or so
Pete in 2025 for 3-4 years
VLAD in 2026 for 12 yrs
We need PETE / VLAD / SOTO / NIMMO and LINDOR in 2026,2027 and 2028
For that we need PETE NOW and VLAD NEXT YEAR !!
Guys - Pete should be signed and CARLOS MENDOZA also has to protect Pete. Last year he used Iglesias after Pete in the 5th Spot ???? We need to protect SOTO AND PETE
What world are we in. Stop with Vlad. Toronto is giving vlad a monster contract. Read reports out of toronto and not what Wardy says
Baltimore qualifying offer to Santander was for 21 millions in November, and he signs for 18.5 millions with Toronto???
90 million over 21
Long term security
@@dwaynebanks4194 Santander doesn't want to do FA at 33, 35... He could retire if he wants. 5yrs w/ 30+ Hrs & near 100 rbi. (150+ Hrs & 500+ RBIs)
That's what Alonso wants!!! (I'm shaking my head)
@ but he also could get worse is the issue
The Dodgers are going to be one tough cookie to beat again. They have an Embarrassment of Riches!!
Love seeing Met fans think that Santander signing with Jays means mets have a better chance at Alonso. It all comes down to will Boras give in and sign the Mets offer. If Boras/Pete dont want the mets offer and another team offers him more Pete is good as gone. Dont think Santander signing with Jays has much affect on Pete. Jays are apparently still in on Pete as well
I doubt the jays would get Alonso on top of Santander. Plus Springer is in RF. It would be much to platoon Vlad, Santander, and Alonso into the lineup. Besides the jays, there isn’t a market with Alonso.
Where is Pete playing if he signs with Jays?
@@hobb125Pete will play 1B. Vlad jr was a 3rd baseman before covid but he came back overweight and they moved him to 1B. He can easily go back to 3B.
@@DannyD0816Yeah, I’ll believe the Jays commitment to Vlad at 3B when it actually happens again
@@DannyD0816your buggin, if that happens you think that helps or hurts their negotiations with trying to sign him long term? Dude he wouldnt even blink to tell the Jays to go screw themselves and bounce if forced to play third.
Santander at 18.5 mill aav just ruined any chance pete has of signing anywhere but the mets
People don't want to come here. Surely the Mets beat that offer. As for Alonso: the contract talks have gotten too ugly. I don't see him coming here no matter what
Come back polar bear
😢😢😢 crying about Alonso never get olds
@ is olds a car?
Surprised by your extreme optimism of a Alonso return... Anything is possible at this point... I think we learn NOTHING, until we know if Vlad Guerrero resigns with Blue Jays... If he resigns, then Mets might think we need a 1st basemen for the next few years... If Vlad DOES NOT resign, NO WAY Mets sign Alonso!!!! They will wait to see what happens next off season... And fill the year gap in house... Like Vientos to 1st, and Mcneil and Iglesias taking 3B and 2B etc.
Toronto and vlad are close on a contract
@@salvation2979 I haven't heard that... But, we'll see...
NO PLAYER IN BASEBALL CAN PROVIDE PETE ALONSO'S NUMBER OF HOMERUNS AND RBI AND DEFENCE AT CITIFIELD EXCEPT PETE ALONSO.
Right keep dreaming with that nonsense
@roccodelellis7254 VLAD GUERRERO JR IS A VASTLY INFERIOR PLAYER TO PETE ALONSO. PETE ALONSO IS THE GREATEST OFFENSIVE FORCE IN BASEBALL AND THE GREATEST OFFENSIVE FORCE OF HIS GENERATION.
@roccodelellis7254 @roccodelellis7254 IN THE 2024 POSTSEASON PETE ALONSO SCORED MORE RUNS THAN FREEMAN AND JUDGE; MORE HITS THAN JUDGE; MORE HOMERUNS THAN OHTANI, JUDGE, SOTO, AND FREEMAN; MORE RBI THAN SOTO AND FREEMAN; MORE WALKS THAN JUDGE AND FREEMAN; FEWER STRIKOUTS THAN JUDGE AND OHTANI; MORE STOLEN BASES THAN SOTO, OHTANI, AND FREEMAN; HIGHER AVERAGE THAN OHTANI, JUDGE, AND FREEMAN; HIGHER OBP, HIGHER SLUGGING % AND HIGHER OPS THAN JUDGE, OHTANI, AND FREEMAN IN FEWER AT BATS THAN FREEMAN, JUDGE, SOTO, AND OHTANI. PETE ALONSO IS A HISTORICALLY UNPRECEDENTED POSTSEASON PERFORMER WHO HAS CONSISTENTLY DELIVERED IN CLUTCH SITUATIONS AND SAVED THE METS SEASON WITH HIS OFFENCE AND DEFENCE.
Santander was always going to Toronto
Starting to understand stearns strategy just wait to get who nobody else wants……..
Yes, Boras is a pain in the rear🤦♂️🤷♂️
Would rather have Vlad jr next year. Pete passed on 158 million 7 years and lost his gamble on himself. You know that is realty when you lose gamble. Played 6 years with Mets all this supposed Met fan sweet talk like him been there for 12 years. Get over it. We could get a better entering his prime. Pete's prime is gone now.
I think Pete will sign with the Mets 3yr/80 million
The Mets are not budging they’re ready move on from declining player
Get Vlad NOW and PITCHING good for him
Pay him 23 million a year then give him incentive s to make more money. Like a million for 40 or 500,000gor 35 hrs.A million for 100 rbies or 500 000 for 90 or more
A million for mvp
You're obviously not very versed in contracts negotiations.
First rule: Don't set precedents. Other owners will hate you.
Second rule: You do it for one player, you have to do it for all.
Mvp.. lol..
Can't be bonuses/incentives for stats. MVP, Batting title, All-Star are OK. It's like shaving points... the players are working for their own stats, not the team outcome.
For example, Last place team, player hits 50HRs, 130 RBIs, 50 steals, crazy # of Dbls, sac flies/bunts, whatever they could affect/ manipulate.
The Blue Jays had a blow him away to get him 3 years okay he's definitely not worked 5 years and I did not want him on this team a two or three year yes not 5 years
I believe the Blue Jay's are looking at Alonso as a cheaper option than resigning Vladdy...
1year 30m DH
tyler i think vlad is going to stay with the jays and mets are going to resign pete know
Vlad is going to the highest bidder just like Juan Soto.
@@jwvvvvYes, toronto is currently giving vlad what he wants.
Scott Boras is a leech on the game of MLB
I’m not going to lie, I’ll get really annoyed if Stearns’ goal is just to get Alonso to take a cheaper deal (which he’ll come back disgruntled) than signing a player like Santander. I will be LIVID. Pete is not a scary AB enough to protect Soto. Find a way how to get Vladdy Jr between this year and the next or I smell underwhelming success.
Vlad is staying in Toronto
Don’t worry guys sterns knows what he’s doing we got Soto. Remember, we don’t need nobody else with Power. We only need Soto and Soto.
Cohen got Soto not stearns . David would have never paid that much . That’s more then his whole time in Milwaukee lol
lol one day the want Alonso the next they they are completely out now they want him wtf
Thanks for the update, now back to Trumps inauguration.
I don't watch crap.
There is a reason no one has offered Pete!
Of course there is Boris overvalued his prospect, if he would’ve started out with a reasonable aav he would’ve signed by now
Yeah, he's been sh_t talked by every announcer, GM, reporter, etc. Some of it is exaggerated and nothing but projection or reiterated "copy."
Iglesias was 34 and had a great year.
4yrs at 115 with incentives with no opt outs
He’s not getting that he’s not topping this aav
Fwiw : Today the Sporting News predicted the Mets will sign Anthony Rizzo.
@ I agree. Just passing along info.
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The Jays land Santander? Really? 😡
5/$90M sounds a lot better than what Alonso wants for 3/$90M, heck even better than 3/$70M imo. That’s my point.
Polar bear in 2025 Vladdy in 2026
At this rate, the METS and PHILLIES will have something in common in the 2025 season. They'll look like two AAA teams trying to dethrone the DODGERS. MISSION IMPOSSIBLE!!!
Mets have Marte who can fill in at DH. That is why they didnt sign Santander. Eben though he has alot less power, Marte has other offensive skills.
I definitely more prefer Santander over marte, Santander is a much better offensive hitter alot better than marte, n should've still trade marte for pitching so that opens the DH and RF SPOT for Santander. Extremely huge mistake from mets manager
@mordezylberminc9134 Santander is a bluejay and unavailable
Alonso 3 years/$81 million with opt outs….More than fair deal as each side gets to save face on this deal and Alonso AAV is equal to Freeman
The Mets don't have to save face. They've made Pete 2 very generous offers
which he turned down. He's either too greedy, overvalues himself, or both.
Saving face is on Pete.
Did u see Freeman in WS Alonso nowhere near Freeman’s production
Don’t worry guys we have Sterns the best general manager ever to come to the Mets. Don’t worry guys we got this. We’ll pick up every trash out there. Bring it to the Mets. We’ll make them better. We already lost Santander now we’re going to lose p Alonso thanks to the general manager David Sterns, the best of the best????🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
I agree, in no way does the Santander signing mean that there's a better chance of Pete's return. It is very, very doubtful that Pete returns. Really, the Mets front office doesn't want Pete back, and there's a lot more evidence of that.