Great work as always! We’re aware that some users have had issues with probe tapping. It’s something we are trying to fix for our next version down the line. We’re very open to input and suggestions from you regarding improvements
My reasoning for opting for Stealthchanger is simple. The support for other extruders. The barrier to entry to change everything over to dragon burner is pretty steep. I have a multitude of spare Stealthburner toolheads, so opted to go for the solution that allows for those.
Could the probing inconsistencies be mitigated with somehow reducing the pressure required? You said 2 magnets was not sufficient to hold down the Stealthchanger tool on the shuttle, but what if you tried thinner magnets? The force required to probe should be reduced, but will it hold well enough to be stable? If it is secure enough, you could play with the magnet depth in the current holes to test probing force vs stability of the toolhead. I really want to build a toolchanger, but I can't decide which way to go. Bearings vs pins. Seems both work well enough, each with its own challenges.
There can a huge variance in magnet strength (especially aliexpress one) even from the same batch. Tapchanger has 2 magnet contact points vs Stealthchangers 3 magnets. (2 of which are against screws which should also cause a bit less attraction) Therefore I would expect Tapchangers force needed to at least 2/3 of Stealtchangers one but not more than double as you meassured. Are the tapchangers magnets are flush against each other?
Probably this has been raised earlier. If we're talking about printing absolutely with supports why don't reprint it with sort of ABS+ASA and desolve ASA after all?
12:04 I can see there is a lot of ghosting on these test print. Are those because of the tool changer mechanisms? What I want to ask is that, if I build a toolchanger capable voron is that going be a worst single color printer then a voron without a toolchanger?
Yes it will, by nature, be worse The stiffer the toolhead, the better the graphs. However I don’t really know how much worse and if its negligible or not. What I know is that printing at 10k is likely to give you ringing on a stock machine as well
Really depends on the print tolerances. I do glue mine. Theoretically the forces are all perpendicular to the contect surfaces and glue is not adding much in terms of stiffness.
OMG, cannot begint to think how this could work on switchwire. There is no Y movement. Unless you want to attach docks on the bed. Very unlikely. Maybe someone comes up with a way.
@@viesturz Actually I think it would be a good idea to have the same changing mechanism on multiple printers. Even if you do not use automatic toolchange on them. The reason is quite simple: A good hotend (maybe with revo or some other more costly system) cost a lot. So even if you have only one Voron Trident with toolchanger, but multiple printers with a toolhead compatible with the toolchanger, you might maybe build your "Toolchanger Voron" with a dock for 5 printheads but only 2 toolheads normaly in dock. Often you might use the toolchanger only for two material for easy to remove support. Haveing 3 more tools not often used might be wastefull. However, if you have aditional printers who can "spend" their toolheads if you need more printheads, this might be quite nice...
My problem is that you are a one man show and not willing to let others help easily. PR's sit forever, and you give very little to no support in discord. The same questions get asked every day (and the comments here I see). I think you have seen how far Stealthchanger has come in such a short time and gotten upset.
Yes I have very limited time to work on this. If you are interested in co-owning/ forking the repo please go ahead. My initial idea was to move to stealthchanger if it is good enough. But we are not there yet. Alternatively, maybe import tapchnanger as an alternative shuttle in stealthchanger repo.
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Great work as always!
We’re aware that some users have had issues with probe tapping.
It’s something we are trying to fix for our next version down the line.
We’re very open to input and suggestions from you regarding improvements
Input shaper comparison would be really nice to see
Great idea, doing that.
my fit for stealthchanger was quite stiff at first too, i used a drill bit to clean out the inner of the bushing, after that it was smoothly engeaging
Can you link the extruded electronics cover you’re using?
My reasoning for opting for Stealthchanger is simple. The support for other extruders. The barrier to entry to change everything over to dragon burner is pretty steep. I have a multitude of spare Stealthburner toolheads, so opted to go for the solution that allows for those.
That's totally fine. I personally find SB too heavy.
Could the probing inconsistencies be mitigated with somehow reducing the pressure required? You said 2 magnets was not sufficient to hold down the Stealthchanger tool on the shuttle, but what if you tried thinner magnets?
The force required to probe should be reduced, but will it hold well enough to be stable? If it is secure enough, you could play with the magnet depth in the current holes to test probing force vs stability of the toolhead.
I really want to build a toolchanger, but I can't decide which way to go. Bearings vs pins. Seems both work well enough, each with its own challenges.
There can a huge variance in magnet strength (especially aliexpress one) even from the same batch.
Tapchanger has 2 magnet contact points vs Stealthchangers 3 magnets. (2 of which are against screws which should also cause a bit less attraction)
Therefore I would expect Tapchangers force needed to at least 2/3 of Stealtchangers one but not more than double as you meassured.
Are the tapchangers magnets are flush against each other?
Probably this has been raised earlier. If we're talking about printing absolutely with supports why don't reprint it with sort of ABS+ASA and desolve ASA after all?
12:04 I can see there is a lot of ghosting on these test print. Are those because of the tool changer mechanisms?
What I want to ask is that, if I build a toolchanger capable voron is that going be a worst single color printer then a voron without a toolchanger?
Yes it will, by nature, be worse
The stiffer the toolhead, the better the graphs. However I don’t really know how much worse and if its negligible or not. What I know is that printing at 10k is likely to give you ringing on a stock machine as well
I like tapchaner, bearings seem better. Beacon instead of tapping
I personally went with Stealthchanger because I prefer the simplicity
Will tap work with both ?
Yes, however see the stickyness issue with Stealthchanger.
oh wait you need to glue in the rods? has anyone had issues with that before?
Really depends on the print tolerances. I do glue mine.
Theoretically the forces are all perpendicular to the contect surfaces and glue is not adding much in terms of stiffness.
Will u be making one for switchwire?
OMG, cannot begint to think how this could work on switchwire. There is no Y movement. Unless you want to attach docks on the bed.
Very unlikely. Maybe someone comes up with a way.
@@viesturz Actually I think it would be a good idea to have the same changing mechanism on multiple printers. Even if you do not use automatic toolchange on them.
The reason is quite simple: A good hotend (maybe with revo or some other more costly system) cost a lot. So even if you have only one Voron Trident with toolchanger, but multiple printers with a toolhead compatible with the toolchanger, you might maybe build your "Toolchanger Voron" with a dock for 5 printheads but only 2 toolheads normaly in dock. Often you might use the toolchanger only for two material for easy to remove support. Haveing 3 more tools not often used might be wastefull. However, if you have aditional printers who can "spend" their toolheads if you need more printheads, this might be quite nice...
My problem is that you are a one man show and not willing to let others help easily. PR's sit forever, and you give very little to no support in discord. The same questions get asked every day (and the comments here I see). I think you have seen how far Stealthchanger has come in such a short time and gotten upset.
Yes I have very limited time to work on this. If you are interested in co-owning/ forking the repo please go ahead.
My initial idea was to move to stealthchanger if it is good enough. But we are not there yet.
Alternatively, maybe import tapchnanger as an alternative shuttle in stealthchanger repo.
Is the default tapchanger plates, bars or rods? I’ve got rods made, but not installed.
I recommend square rods. Round rods have a bit more flex. Plates is really a legacy thing.