Ceramic Coating Durability: how do we know they last as long as claimed? | DIY Detail Podcast #43
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- Our new ceramic coatings are unique chemistry -- with unique age statements, or durability claims. So how do we come up with those numbers? Do we just make them up, or are they based on real data? In this podcast, Nick and Yvan go behind the curtain to give you information about our new 3, 5 & 8 year ceramic coatings -- in addition to our new ceramic metal coating. What questions do you have?
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The level of transparency and practicality you provide in your advice and products is unrivaled! I am looking forward to trying your coatings!
Thank you
You two make so much sense and I could listen to you both for hours discussing my favourite subject. If I can't do it I either watch someone else doing it on TH-cam or listen to someone talking about it. Thanks again for your content.
Thank you John! What a great compliment, we appreciate your support
Please keep up the videos and the great info. I am a retired corporate guy, but not a chemist.
Love how straight out the gate of this video you tackled how it was a new company but that doesn’t mean the coating tech doesn’t have time in the game!!! Completely transparent and honest! Nick even went back to it later in the video to put the doubters to rest. Yvans 40 years of experience, the chemists 30 years and then you have Nick a very well versed and successful detailer who is willing to push back and eager to learn and has the heart of a teacher. I trust you guys and know that you aren’t going to put your names on products that don’t work and aren’t quality, others def agree and that’s why you guys have been so successful and will continue to be. This is what makes DIY Detail so good.
Thank you
Great podcast! No one in this business is as transparent and honest as you guys on ceramic coating! I am not a detailer but rather a car enthusiast who recently got rid of every single product and replaced them all with DIY Detail products as I have seen the difference in action. Just got a new Subaru Forester 2023 and was looking into options for a ceramic coating as I was looking into other brands and options. My car is parked 24/7 on the street as I live in NYC. After this podcast, I am going with DIY Detail and now I'll have to find a pro detailer who can do this for me. Thanks, guys! Please keep up the good work.
Thank you.
Counting the time to test the new line of coatings. I wish you success with the new line (and I'm sure you will if they are as good as the rest of your products) 👍
Thank you very much! Excited for folks to try them
Congratulations on your new coating. Very happy for guys. You did a lot in 1year! 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thank you
I ordered you current ceramic coating yesterday. I didn't want to wait for the new product line. I bought a new truck today and wanted to coat it as soon as possible. It will be interesting to see the price points of the new coatings.
You don’t have to worry, it’s a great coating.
Just love this. Thank you for a nerdy (in an educating positive way) podcast. Do you think you guys can do a similiar podcast talking about products like quick beads and ceramic gloss? How do they bond to bare clearcoat? How do they work as a topper for ceramic coatings etc. I feel no one really has deep dived in those scenarios.
Good idea
Been loving your products, have been using it on my 22 black label. Looking forward to installing this coating.
Thank you.
Saw the link in Reddit and trying to understand the differences. Thank you for such an informative video!
Glad it was helpful!
Just put the 3 year coating on my truck (the gloss and slickness is insane i have to say. Those are the coating i’m going to install professionally from now on). I wash my truck twice weekly and was curious if All Clean as a pre-treatment twice weekly during my washes would harm the longevity of the coating. I totally get that’s over kill, but I’d like to have the option.
It’s an option, but you will see it’s completely unnecessary.
Another excellent podcast! You're very transparent and the products do what they should and more. Then you add in your personalities and experience and you have an excellent company.
The coating life depends on how you maintain it 1000% correct. I know these are going to be great! I wish you both much success!
Thank you.
I just bought a car that I plan on getting to 400k + miles (currently has 30k 🤤) properly maintained mechanically as well as detailer clean of course. A quality coating is paramount for me.
What’s the deal with double layer or even triple layer coating applications?
Great video guys!
No need for that, add a layer every 3-4 years instead
@@diydetailofficial thank you and NOTED!
20:35 , the bare minimum of an hour to get it out in the rain, that blew my mind. I always try to find a way to keep my client's cars indoors for 12-24 hours in case of rain, which is quite difficult as a mobile detailer. There is so much information here and there, but all coating brands have different recommendations. If we could actually expose a freshly coated car to the rain two hours after the coating was applied, my life would be so much easier.
Your life will be easier with DIY Detail Ceramic Coatings. All can be exposed to rain in 1 hour. Every manufacturer has different recommendations for sure, and different formulations. The DIY Coatings are professional grade coatings, but we are able to sell them for a much lower cost since we don’t need to pay for a warranty.
@@diydetailofficial i'll try it for sure!
Let us know how you like it.
Good video describing the new coatings. They will be great
Thank you
Thank you two for all the new products and helpful videos/advice. Any idea when quick beads, and legacy sponge, will be back in stock? I have multiple gallons of products I want to purchase but want to order everything at one time, lol.
Everything should be back in stock during the month of May
Do you have a video on custom instructions for those of us who have no shade available to wash and detail our cars?
The same principles apply, but yes we have several videos recorded outside.
Cant wait to buy the 8 year coating!
Thank you
@@diydetailofficial how much does it cost the 8 years?? Can we put one layer of 8 years and second layer of 3 years? Or it nonsense. Thanks? Thabks!
The 8 year is $159.99, you have a window of 2-8 hours to apply the 3 year Graphene coating over the 8 year.
Just curious as to what your thoughts are about having coating customers return for yearly maintenance. Not necessarily a one year topper (coating) but just a deep cleaning to revive the coating.
I would like to think that my customers, at least the ones that truly commit to regular washing, should be able to get their vehicle coated and drive off and never need to see me again.
It’s a great idea.
If you haven't seen their video yet on using their water spot remover to open back up the pores of the coating, look it up. That would probably be a great recommended follow up for your clients to return to you for a refresh, if they're not having you do their maintenance washes. My 2 cents
Without 1hour wait time before to go out, can we apply other product over to "sacrifice" and help the coating to cure?
You still need to wait an hour to apply a topper
Fantastic video!! Thank you for sharing this info, I definitely feel more informed about the product now!
You bet!
Thanks for this great discussion! Im prepping myself to install a DIY coating but still undecided if i’ll go for your 3 or 5 yr as Im also considering the benefits and maintenance. Given this, i have some questions:
1. If I install your 3yr:
A. will it be glossier when I top it off with ceramic gloss? Or is quick beads good enough to make it glossier?
B. topping up with ceramic gloss, will it temporarily mask the graphene of the 3yr coating?
2. If I install your 5yr coating:
A. will it maintain its gloss level when I top it with quick beads?
Reason for asking is basically I want the benefits of graphene to reduce water spots and also go for the highest gloss possible. If you can give a recommendation that would be great also
Both will do a great job. If you want the best protection, install the 5 or 8 year, and 2-8 hours later install the 3 year. We call this combination The DIY Stack.
Adding either DIY Detail Quick Beads or DIY Detail Ceramic Gloss will only help, one isn’t better than another.
Great information and explanation!! Thank you.
Thank you
Hey! Awesome
Can’t wait to try them out!
Question: can all these go on the windshield??? Or is there wiper jitters?
They can for sure.
I would rather a product that sheets than beads honestly just like Ivan said beading leads to water spots also leaving containments behind as well vs a lake and the water pooling and pulling the contaminants with it or having more water to pull it off than a water drop bead
Coatings do both, depends on how much water is on the surface
This is true but after a down poor let's say id rather see the water lake up then bead up also the bigger the pool of water the more likely it's to run off due to weight of it
Weird question, why can't I search for videos on your youtube page? Is it an option you have to toggle on? It would be useful if I'm looking for videos on a specific product.
We have playlists devoted to each product
So what damages the coating that I cannot easily fix?
Abrasion Damages coatings
love you guys! just laid down the 5 year on a '23 mercedes glc 300!
Excellent
Hi guys, we're about to take delivery of a brand new car and I'm looking forward to installing your 5 or 8 year coating (haven't decided which yet) my wife commutes with the car 4 days a week, which includes dirt roads so it is guaranteed to be dirty on the first day of her commute. After I install the coating, I can probably get 48 hours curing time before it hits the dirt. Do you think this will be a problem?
One hour is enough, 48 is better
I've only used your coatings with your foam applicator pad and then I toss the pad in a bucket of rinseless wash. I'm curious, do the 3, 5 and/or 8 year coatings harden up if left overnight on a thin suede coating applicator like some of these high solids SiO2 coatings I've used in the past? Or are they more of a flexible type coating with a little bit of hardness?
I'm really liking these DIY coatings. I have 8 bottles of 8 and 3 year to apply here over the coming months for friends and family. I also really like that the packaging is just a simple box that's pretty much perfectly sized for the coating bottle and not some over sized 8"x8"x4" box that just costs more to make, ship and then gets thrown in the recycling bin. So thank you! I've had some of my coatings come with a small piece of white foam on top of the bottle to keep it from moving in the box and others that don't. Is that Carzilla adding that foam or is that a newer thing you guys have started doing?
Do your 3, 5 and 8 year coating contain the same pre-ceramic resin that the C6 coating has? Does C6 contain graphene oxide?
Are you able to say what chemical makes C6 permanent compared to the 3, 5 and 8 year DIY Detail coatings?
DIY Detail coatings will harden on the applicator if allowed to dry, but not like glass. One of the biggest factors with coating degradation is fracturing. Earlier generations of coatings didn’t take this into account.
Minimalist packaging is an ever evolving goal.
Both DIY Detail and C6 Ceramics have similar ingredients. The main building blocks are Polysilazane, Silicon Carbide, Silicon Nitride, and Silicon Dioxide. Properly maintained and not abraded, DIY Ceramic coatings will perform much longer than the stated years.
Only the 3 year contains reduced graphene oxide because of the short term nature of the graphene characteristics.
The big difference with C6 is the addition of Detonated Nano Diamonds. They increase durability, gloss, and hydrophobics.
I'd like to try your ceramic coating, but I applied another coating to the car a few months ago (let's just say it's a popular one that comes in a can that is rated for 6 months to a year). Do you have any advice on how to prep the vehicle to maximize the adherence of the new coating? I've been slowly trying out DIY detailing products when my current chemicals run out, and I've been very happy so far. Switching the coating is the only thing I'm a little nervous about.
Thank you, a light polish is all that’s needed.
great vid, good info. You two have opposite hair cuts. I mean that in the nicest way possible.
Thank you.
Why sell 3 versions? Just sell one, the best one and at a slightly lower price to put the fear in the competition and bring a real valueto customers?
They all have different characteristics, not only durability, but self cleaning ability ( 8 year) gloss ( 5) and water spot resistance (3). Not all can be combined in one
What are the practical uses for the different coatings other than price costs? Let's say I buy the 8 year coating, can I not polish it again for 8 years? Even just a light jeweling polish would probably not remove it all but surely it would damage the coating. I say this as it doesn't seem possible to 100% remove the risk of fine scratches from the wash process. Even with all the correct washing methods, 2-3 buckets, correct tools, mitts, prewash, drying aids etc etc it seems impossible to entirely eliminate scratches. So for a daily driver, which option would be better? I've currently got a 12 month fusso coat that I top with diydetail quick beads (great product btw)
For many consumers it’s the ease of cleaning they are looking for. They don’t see the light wash marring that takes a trained eye to spot.
@ItsMeYourRealDad - you do realize that ANY TYPE of rubbing that you’re doing to the paint (washing & drying) is already removing ANY coating that you have on the paint.
If you throw a polish on top, it’s game over. Ain’t nothing gonna be left behind expect bare paint, even from the lightest polish, applied gently by hand.
Im all about rinsless wash would this process be considered proper maintenance. Other than obvious reasons. After ceramic coating. Thanks!
Yes, definitely.
My car is outside at all times. If I coat my car with DYI, what is the best way to maintain my coating? I happen to have McKees grapheme coating wax, would this be a good choice as drying aid? Thx!!
we have a podcast coming Friday about maintaining your ceramic coated car!
What would you recommend on a new 2023 car that has nice new paint of course but I’ve been using all kinds of sio2, waxes, graphene detail sprays etc weekly sometimes twice a week - and I want to use your ceramic coating on it? It seems panel prep is just for oils from polishing but not capable of removing waxes and sio2 products like turtle wax ceramic spray? So isopropyl alcohol?
The best would be a light polish with The Gold Standard Polishing System.
@@diydetailofficialI figured! Thanks I’ll pick some up.
Sounds like you’re getting way better shine and gloss with weekly application of a spray detailer after washing vs having a long term coating in the paint.
Ain’t NOWAY this thin layer of protection will last 3+ years. 😂
If i wanted to coat my car gradually, one or two panels at a time, and wanted to accelerate the full curing process, could I use an IR lamp to fully cure the panel? I'm a chauffeur doing high miles, and have to keep the car very clean, so it's very difficult to avoid chemicals for 7 days.
IR curing doesn’t help. Being a chauffeur more that likely your vehicle is black. A day in the sun and you can gently wash with rinseless.
@@diydetailofficial thanks, and yes, it is black. 😀
Coat it all at once, then enjoy an easier to clean car
Can you please tell me can you get your product's in the UK.
Yes, the are available from www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/diy-detail more to come soon
What do you use to coat glass? And how long does it last? Does your 8 yr coating last 8 yrs on glass?
The 8 year is good, C6 Ceramics Hydro Glass is best
@@diydetailofficial how long do they last on glass? Thabks
Are they professional grade coatings? I going be getting the 5 year first.
Yes, very much professional grade
Do I just need one layer for your coating?
Yes
just about to order your 3y graphene-oxide one. can you please confirm it's also compatible with these outside surfaces: body-PPF, winscreen-PPF (i.e. Stek DYNOflex )?
and is that your fancy red applicator coming with it? thanks
Thank you, Yes, Yes, and Yes.
Yep!
Great video!
Thank you 😊
Who won your 20k giveaway?
Chris Carpenter
What about price??. Make it cheap. Please. And i will. Buy 2 bottles of graphene for 3 years!
The 3 year Graphene Coating is 59.99
@@diydetailofficial what about in uk??
@@diydetailofficial great!
how much does it cost the 8 years?? Can we put one layer of 8 years and second layer of 3 years? Or it nonsense. Thanks? Thabks!
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Thank you
What do you recommend doing with the towels after applying the coating. Even if washed right after sometimes they seem to have hardened spots which will scratch paint so i anytime I apply a coating I pretty much am gonna throw away the towels used just to be safe.
Put them in your wash bucket.
@@diydetailofficial thanks. would soaking them in rinseless wash or an APC immediately help to dilute the coating/hardeners so they can be cleaned out of the towel when washing?
I can take a 5 minute coating and make it fail in 5 minutes. Valid.
Yes
I’m sorry, I can’t take Nick seriously with that haircut, lol, did u lose a bet? I’m just kidding, kinda, maybe it was the camera making it look weird but man, 😂😂. I’m sorry. Good video otherwise. Looking forward to trying some of the products.
It’s disturbing to most people, except Nick.
@@diydetailofficial 😂🤣
Love this information! Can’t wait to use them. Congratulations on 20k subscribers 🎉!!!. I want to see that 5 year. Because sometimes camera does not do justice !
Thank you.
This success 20000 it’s impossible without your support, thanks you for your support !!!
@@Yessolution37 anytime Sylvie!! Amazing products and chemistry is what makes people come for more. I enjoy using the line as well.!
I bought the three year coating. Works great. Some feedback regarding the product.
1- Coating comes in a metal bottle which is nice. No dropper cap though. This is a problem for most but I used pipettes that is used in the scientific industry. Maybe attach it with the coatings.
2- side of the box has a QR code that is a nice idea but poor execution. The QR is only to your channel but not the specific directions for this specific product. I think that could be better done by having a link to a specific video that gives instructions for that specific product.
Thanks and I hope you guys have the best success
Thank you! Yes, the bottle is aluminum. We had an issue with our warehouse where the didn't put in the dropper inserts -- it's been fixed now. Our apologies.
We are also working on the QR code, it does give you a few options I believe in terms of SDS sheets, the website and how-to videos. But I agree that designated the QR code to a specific product-related video would be ideal. Thank you!
the level of honesty is beyond anything I have ever seen thank you so much I wish i could buy your products here (aus)
You can, CarCareCo has the DIY Detail line.
This company transparency and treating all TH-cam commenters as actual people, is why your packages are usually sold out 😅
Thank you.
So if I go with the 3 year coating, is it preferred to use Ceramic Gloss or Quick Beads as a topper once in a while for my maintenance washes or it doesn't really matter?
Your choice
later lets talk bottle prices and typical market value and charging price for these coatings. Great video team!
Good idea
These new coatings are going to be amazing!
Thank you
Will the 5 year and 3 year combo be a good choice on a black SUV?
Yes
So,,,,,,, here’s my problem. I finished coating the vehicle in the afternoon. The next day(let’s say 18hrs later) the customer picks his buggy up and drives home. The roads here in Western Canada in winter are wet and slushy and have road salt on them(or that liquid de-icer). Those are chemicals in the salt or liquid. The customer can’t wash his car to get chemicals off because it’s -10 out. Is the coating toast?
The coating will be fine.
Thanks guys for the upload, do you need to apply 2 layers with your coatings?
Can they be layered, or would this be a waste of time?
Thanks, 1 layer is all you need
Hey guys, great informative video. I plan on buying the new ceramic coat but I have one question. Would I need to do any prep work to a fresh set of headlights with no imperfections?
Just Panel prep.
Thank you for always educating us detailers. There is a lot of science about coatings which I am ignorant to and your lessons are truly appreciated!
Thank you.
You made a 24 minute video feel like a 5 minute video !
Thank you
whats the reason for that initial "slickness" disappearing pretty quickly even tho it's performing superbly as it should later?
From scarring
@@diydetailofficial based on that question, could you do the gold polish and waffle pad polish it up without messing up the coating?
@waxmanvids5015 - that’s because the coating is basically gone at that point, hence why it’s better to do a quick spray detailer every few wash cycles vs a long term coating.
@@I_know_what_im_talking_about slickness has nothing to do with how a ceramic coating performs. It's just an attribute that we like to feel… Ceramic coatings can last for years without feeling super slick at touch and still have that gloss, self cleaning, characteristics and water beading. you don't have to take my word for it. Ask todd at Esoteric Detailing in Columbus, Ohio, one of the best detailers in the country..
@@I_know_what_im_talking_about can I know how long you’ve been a detailing?
Can’t wait to try the 3 year graphene 🔥🔥
Thank you
is it ok to put sealants like P&S beadmaker on top off a ceramic coating ??
im just currently waiting for your 5year 5.5inch kit to come back into stock to giver ceramic coating a try
Yes it is. But DIY Detail Ceramic Gloss is much better suited.
Thanks for the Video , can't wait to try the new coatings, I have few question
1-do you recommend layering any of your coatings ? does it change performance and longevity ?
2-what size bottles will be available ? and how many normal size cars it can coat ?
Thank you Ivan & Nick !
No need to layer the coatings, if you want to though just wait 2 hours after applying the first layer. No it won’t change performance and longevity. 30 ml bottles, you should get 2 cars per bottle. We’re excited for you to try them!!
@@diydetailofficial make them slightly bigger 40 ml!!! Please
Another company claims its graphene product is 10H and last 9 years, it this possible? ( vs the 1 year you mention in the video)
We will find out in 9 years
As a new company in a very competitive market - choosing to discuss "who" you are and "why" you are - is nothing short of brilliant. This level of transparency promotes trust in your potential customer base. Great job
Thank you!
Hi, I really want to try Diy detail 3 year ceramic coating to see how it holds up in Norway in the winter as we have to use a lot of petroleum based degreasing to get rid of all the traffic salt film in the winter. Haven't tried Waterspot Remover on salt yet instead of petroleum based degreasing
Is there any possibility to buy online to send to Europe?
We have several distributors in the EU
Https://diydetail.com/pages/distributors
Can a ceramic coating be applied to a motorcycle engine that has a smooth painted surface?
Yes
So if i coated a vehicle and the next day a bird bomb drops over the car, can i rinseless wash?,, Regards from México.
Yes.
Where do you find the different coatings, 3, 5, 8 year? The DIYdetail website only has one ceramic coating?
They will be Available may First
amazing!
do you guys plan to come up with a PPF coating?
Im afraid that if installing this to the ppf it will prevent the film to self heals
Our coatings are safe to use on PPF and wraps.
Can these coatings be applied in Florida Summer heat with high humidity outside? Love what you guys are doing, thank you.
Yes, you will need to work a little faster
I saw a video of 5 years ago you were saying Opti-Coat was a permanent solution how you compare to this new coating
Both are based on SiC , well maintained they will both last indefinitely.
Your ceramic coating is 1 oz is that enough to cover a pickup truck.?
Yes, and more
Any benefit to layering the 3,5, and 8 year coatings one after the other?
No
Which coating is Sio2? Which is Si3n4? Which is SiC?
They all contain Polysilazane, SiC, SiN, and Si02
What's the difference between these ~$100 consumer grade ceramic coatings vs $1000+ professional coatings? What' makes them 10-20x more expensive? Would be awesome to do a video on this!
In many cases marketing and warranty
@@diydetailofficial Yeah makes sense from a warranty and longevity aspect. But from a ingredient/formulation perspective, surely there has to be some different ingredients or more R&D and technology that goes into these high end coatings? I find it hard to believe that it's mostly just marketing...
@@KingRockets- oh there’s a difference alright. A proper coating will make your applicator pad STIFF the next day. All the watered down coating will not. 😂 because they’re crap.
will the coating stand against road debris like the bottom panels because after heavy rain I notice the hydrophobicity tends to wear off
Yes. When that happens, use some waterspot remover to clean away the mineral accumulation
That’s because the coatings tend to wear off and you’re back to bare paint. 😂
Outstanding, my friends... outstanding!
Thank you.
LET'SSS GOOOOO!!!!!!
Thank you
Any chance to see these coating and more of your products available on Amazon? I don't live in the US (or Europe) and wish to try your products and Amazon is an easy way for me to buy them.
Yes, we are working on Amazon
We might also have a distributor near you
Https://diydetail.com/pages/distributors
I love all the teaching you two provide. Always giving back while always trying to improve things. You two are huge assets to the detailing community. Since the graphene in the coating lessons over time, does it help to use a graphene shampoo like McKees along with Quick Beads to enhance the graphene?
DIY Detail Quick Beads is definitely a good way of maintaining it.
DIY came in to the detailing business by storm! I wish You the very best!
I'm a (soon to be former) GTECHNIQ CSL/EXO coating user. On more than one occasion, I've gotten 3 years out of those with lots of care/maintenance. I cannot fathom a coating lasting 8 years? OMG!! That's insane!!
Nick, go back to Your previous haircut! 😳🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yvan, if You were serious, I applaud You! I've also never had drugs in My life. Proud to admit it. No alcohol either.
Excellent Jay, yes very serious. You will enjoy our coatings.
@@diydetailofficial Looking forward to trying them.
I will be trying this soon! This combination is amazing. I feel like Nick wanting to know every detail of everything. He ask a bunch of questions and Yvan is the encyclopedia with detailed answers. Nick you forgot to ask, can I apply 3-5-8 coating in all surfaces like glass, trim, headlights? I know you have a dedicated metal coating.
Yep! Safe on glass trim and headlights…and thanks for watching 😀
Can they be used on the vehicles windows as we'll.
Thanks
Yep!
Do they work on single stage?
Yes
Will the 3 year coating with graphene have the same gloss and feel to the touch as quick beads?
Very similar.
What do I do when the coatings lifespan ends? Do I do a polish and panel prep and reapply?
Yes, and if you maintain it properly, you won’t need to reapply it.
That dudes mustache is creepy. And…… the coating typically goes onto the clear coat. Not the paint.
Thanks