@@JechtNH while Yeah it was proven it was destructive, it ultimately was because of chuck, Lalo and the world who kept putting them down till like Walter they exploded.
_"You are like an alcoholic who can't admit he has a problem!"_ That's rich, coming from Chuck... a man so delusional that he thinks he's allergic to electricity.
“That’s your problem Jimmy, thinking the ends justifies the means, and you’re forever shocked when it all blows up in your face” That really hits home now 😭
@@noneofthiseverhappened If you take a step back and think about the timeline of the show, it starts at the point in time most favorable to Jimmy. He's a fantastic brother, and all the years of his Slippin' Jimmy antics are only occasionally revisited through flashbacks. I'm just saying, if we'd seen a few seasons of Jimmy conning people and Chuck hearing about it / maybe even dealing with the fallout, we might not be so unsympathetic to his position.
@@noneofthiseverhappened exactly. it’s a tragedy. Chuck’s attitude and insults and how he treated Jimmy made Jimmy Saul. Chuck is right. but he’s right bc he made himself right.
He refuses to resort to Jimmy's methods, or "stoop to his level" as he no doubt sees it. To Chuck, the law is sacred and nothing matters more. To Jimmy the law is just a game to win.
Lol, he's a nice guy? Really? People who say that don't remember the show correctly. Watch it again. Edit: Not justifying what happened to him, but you can't say he was just a puppet for Chuck. Everyone is responsible for their own actions.
@@mikeg2491My country doesn't have a Plea Bargain system, at most you have some high level criminals who can make deals to name others in the system for a reduced sentence but that's not true for 90% of the cases.
Kim Wexler didn’t deserve to be treated the way she did at HHM. She was probably their best lawyer, and they tossed her away twice after decades of hard work. All Chuck says is “this shows a lack of judgment on her part.” Like seriously bro, a woman’s life is ruined and your going to straight up say it’s her fault for ever liking your younger brother. Then if that wasn’t insulting enough enough, he straight up steals her client just to feel good about himself. No wonder why she ended up being Gisselle, because the man who she respected the most tried to ruin her life over nothing.
It’s interesting how, in the beginning of Season 2, he refuses to illegally sabotage Jimmy’s career because of his own principles (even if he does want to). Yet when Jimmy keeps winning against him, at the end of Season 2 and in Season 3, he sabotages Jimmy anyway, but inside the boundaries of the law, that way his conscience is clear of any guilt. Chuck believes that, IMO, if it’s within the law to do something, he can do it, even if it means finding loopholes to exploit. I hate Chuck, but wow is he one of the most interesting characters on tv. His dynamic with Jimmy is so unique and unparalleled.
"Chuck believes that, IMO, if it’s within the law to do something, he can do it, even if it means finding loopholes to exploit." That's what separates them the most: Jimmy has very strong moral principles but doesn't care about the law, meanwhile Chuck is a complete fanatic of "the rules" who wouldn't mind decapitating babies if it was lawful.
@@dwight3555 I think that's a good interpretation of their dynamic, though I wouldn't say that Jimmy has strong moral principles per se. I think he has weak morals, but has a lot of empathy, which is what informs his decisions when push comes to shove.
@@dwight3555 To be fair, I suppose it's all semantics. Even if Jimmy is generally immoral, that doesn't mean that he doesn't "have" moral principles (and ultimately, morals come from a sense of empathy), so what you said was still all true.
" Season 3, he sabotages Jimmy anyway, but inside the boundaries of the law, that way his conscience is clear of any guilt." Except in season 3, he did break the law by illegally taping that confession, and extorting a false confession out of jimmy. He finally stooped down to his level. Not to help kim, but just to get revenge on his brother. What a jerk.
I love Jimmy and Kim and how gentle, loving, caring, respectful, selfless, protective and supportive they are towards each other. The fact that they would sacrifice anything they wanted just to make the other happy with only small hesitation is just admirable and heartwarming, they are everything Walt and Skyler isn’t
I don't see anyone talking about Chuck's little gesture at 3:27, it's like the cherry on top of this whole scene for me. Jimmy just hit the nail right on the head, he's saying exactly what Chuck wants, and for a second Chuck lets his real feelings slip before putting on a serious face again. You can just TELL he wanted to say something about how amusing the idea is.
@@yourinnerlawyer4035 exactly, but he tells Jimmy the opposite every time they argue about it, even in this very scene. He says otherwise, but in that moment you see an instinctual response that shows his true colors
It’s like the incredulity of being hypothetically offered something beyond your wildest dreams. Millions of dollars for your average person, Jimmy leaving law for Chuck.
I get what you are saying but the gesture also means "don't be silly, why would I want that ? " It works as a way of dismissing Jimmy's whole theory that Kim is being punished to put pressure on Jimmy.
It felt like Jimmy really wanted Chuck to say that he didn't want him to quit the law, like he was still digging for that little hope deep down that he can still get Chuck's approval...
It hurts because I think you’re right. He was hitting a rock already in a hard place and Jimmy really wanted to see a diamond or gold but sadly… Chuck can’t be moved because the law is too sacred.
@@danduhlion it was never really about the law though. It was about not letting his brother be his equal in his own field because of the deep seated resentment he had towards him since childhood
This is really where the show begins to demonstrate that chuck doesn’t have love for the law out of some hunger for justice and the intricacies of right and wrong. He merely uses the law to cling to and claim moral superiority over everyone else. His adherence to what is written and set out in rules is what makes him better than everyone else, fuels his ego
Bingo. Chuck felt an inequity growing up. He worked the hardest but Jimmy was funny and charismatic and was the favorite of his parents even though he wronged them. In the law everyone is equal. At least how Chuck sees it. And in that even playing field he’s king. He’s dedicated his life to the law, and in that world he’s superior. It’s when he bends the rules and loses we see his downfall. Because that persona was ruined, and he truly had nothing left.
It's really telling that Jimmy hands Chuck exactly what he wants on a golden platter, and he isn't taking it because it means the thing he hates about Jimmy: breaking the rules. And in the end, he's just as guilty of hurting innocents.
That's not what he hates about Jimmy. His ego wouldn't allow him to help Kim here, he endured what he considers torture to sabotage Kim. He can't bend to Jimmy, he can't deal with Jimmy, he can't suffer a blow to his ego - he needs to always be exalted and in control. The only reason he hates that Jimmy is a lawyer is because he can't handle the idea of Jimmy being his equal. Chuck is a malignant narcisist that doesn't care at all about other people. He will go to any lengths to be in charge and grind them down, no matter who else suffers because of it. He has no internal concept of right or wrong, so he embraced "legal vs illegal" as a learned code of morality that he could learn better than anyone else, and therefore elevate himself over them as more moral, more righteous, always justified in what he did.
Look at how much Rebecca resembles their mother. Watch Chuck when Jimmy makes Rebecca laugh. What Chuck wants isn't really for Jimmy to quit the law and his problem with Jimmy isnt Jimmy breaking rules or cutting corners. That is a convenient and self-righteous framework to give his hate shape and structure, but old-fashioned hate it is.
it's funny to think that both Chuck and the skater twins were the catalysts for the huge butterfly effect that would not only end up taking Howard's life, but would end up changing the face of (fictional) Albuquerque forever
@@sirmagnifico04 Never gave Jimmy a chance? I'm pretty sure Jimmy has been given a thousand chances before Better Call Saul, hence why Chuck in Better Call Saul simply refuses to believe Jimmy would turn his life around, because...well, why would he?
Chuck: You’re my brother, and I love you, but you’re like an alcoholic who refuses to admit he’s got a problem. Howard: maybe if enough people tell you you’re Drunk, maybe it’s time to sit down.
We go back to the condo drum of "the end cannot justify the means" which Chuck abides by. Jimmy's and Chuck's ethical compasses are at opposition here.
I was relieved his arc was over and he was written out, but it was sad to see him suffering this much from his mental illness and going out in such a brutal way.
The back and forth here is so good. While Chuck is admittedly right about JImmy thinking the ends justify the means, Jimmy is just as right about Chuck being a petty hypocrite.
Saul have been a hypocrite a lot tho, Walt have been, Skylar have been, kim have been. It's not a great point to make when wll the characters are flawed
I feel like nobody talks about this scene enough. It's 5 intense minutes of nuanced argument that perfectly encapsulates what's so brilliant about the show. The layers upon layers unfolding between flawed characters believing they're in the right. Every intricate detail of the conflict and plot surrounding it playing its part to convey extraordinary character study. Mike vs Tuco was great, but this here is why I'm drawn to this show.
Talk about EXLERTLY written and acted out... these two are TITANS among mere boys when it comes to their craft. They both have acting chops FAR beyond their pay grade.
I think this show was at it's highest before Chuck died. I mean it was great right up to the end, but these two together really did create something incredible. They're both the villain and the hero in the show, being equally bad as each other, for complete opposite reasons. I can't actually think of any other show that has this kind of relationship between two brothers.
I think so too. I think as time goes on and the more I rewatch it, seasons 1-3 are the best seasons because of Chuck and Jimmy's relationship building up until it peaks with Chicanery. And also I love early Jimmy and I start to dislike him a lot more by seasons 5 and 6. All that to say, seasons 5 and 6 are also amazing. This show is so damn special
i was struglin to follow the kim plotline in season 5 but rewatching the series i realize that she has plenty of reason to be pissed about HHM, howard, chuck and corporate lawyers in general, and it makes sense that jimmy's shady style of going solo against the establishment would rub off on her....
3:49 I feel like this is the biggest disconnect between the two brothers. Both are highly logical in their thinking, but have two completely different perspectives on how the world DOES work and SHOULD work. Chuck sees everything through the lens of the law, so he can't identify with Jimmy on a familial level - which is really all Jimmy wants.
Wow Chuck's words about Jimmy breaking the rules and being surprised it blows up in his face, making Kim an accessory and embarrassing Howard for no reason is also prophetic considering what's happening so far in the final season.
To be fair, that whole thing was Kim's idea. Jimmy didn't want to do it. Even at the end, he was convinced that what they did was, as Kim described it, a "career setback." He says as much to Howard in the apartment. What's more prophetic (to me at least) is Chuck saying Jimmy is an alcoholic who can't admit he has a problem. Any idiot could see what they were doing was cruel, but between his love for Kim and the rush he gets from "winning," he literally couldn't care enough to see it. The flash forwards in the last season were like watching his final relapse.
Chuck is an asshole, but everything he says about Jimmy here is pretty accurate. He adheres way too strictly to the 'ends justify means' mindset and refuses to acknowledge the damage he causes no matter how blatant it is which in a lot of scenes like this one is just infuriating because it's insulting to the people who suffer the damage
He's also a hypocrite. Hurting Kim's career to hurt Jimmy is also ends justifying the means. Jimmy embraces moves like that, but Chuck does it and acts like nothings wrong and he's above Jimmy. He can't admit that he doesn't want Jimmy practicing law
@@poisonpotato1 Jimmy did make Kim look very bad and it wasn't Chuck's doing in this case. Because of Kim's misjudgment of Jimmy, Howard looks like an idiot for recommending him, Cliff looks like an idiot for hiring him, and both firms are damaged. Now if you want to talk about when Chuck goes out of his way to meet with Mesa Verde despite the amount of discomfort just to take them away from Kim, that's another story
@@domskillet5744 Not really. Mesa Verde is like the apple of this universe. If you're not doing everything you can to keep apple then you might as well just sell your business and retire cause you clearly have no idea what you're doing
Chuck to Jimmy: "...you're like an alcoholic who refuses to admit he's got a problem." Howard to Chuck: "...if enough people tell you that you're drunk, maybe it's time to sit down."
I love the lighting, composition, and camera work in Chuck’s house. Scenes like this feel like they could be straight out of a play or a black and white movie
This scene is the best summary of Jimmy's character. J: What did I do that was so wrong!? C: You broke the rules. You turned Kim into your accessory. You embarrassed Howard (...) You made Cliff and his partners look like schmucks. Shall I go on? Jimmy does not think about the consequences of his actions. He does what he wants to without a thought for how it will affect the people around him. world The last thing in the world that Jimmy would want is to damage Kim's career, but he did it anyway. And what was the benefit to breaking the rules and damaging his own career as well as Kim's? Nothing. Jimmy did it because he didn't fit in at his new firm and he wanted to be a showman. There was no possible upside to doing it.
God every scene with these two is so great. If you told me they were real siblings I’d believe you. Such a relatable sibling dynamic, best ive ever seen portrayed on television.
I just realized the simplest way to describe these two's dynamic. Someone else has probably already said this but I don't care. Chuck believes morality is derived from the law, if it's legal or within the rules then he's completely okay with doing it, even if it seems immoral, while Jimmy believes the law should bend to morality, and if it doesn't then he's completely fine with breaking it so long as he thinks he's doing the right thing in the end.
Jimmy believes if he does something right even tho it is outside the boundaries of Law then it is justified, but Chuck believes even if he does something wrong but it's within the boundaries of Law then it is justified .... The parallel between the brothers is just genius! 👏
Both hurt people around them but in different ways. Chuck pushes people away, mostly out of ego. Jimmy hurt people around him with his actions, his schemes and crimes without thinking of the consequences.
Chuck wanted it both ways and he got it. He just was unsure of himself at the worst moment when it came to identifying who he was. Remember Howard gave him the check to leave HHM and that was not satisfactory enough for him. Could not handle someone not as smart as him would outperform him. So much so he had to the leave the world because it could not meet his expectations which if were being honest were forthright but not realistic.
When I think about these details, I love that, for example, in Breaking Bad, Skyler puts their money inside those plastic bags in her closet and it falls because of the weight, so she puts them under the house At the time, it's such a silly scene that we forget about But by the end of the season, we have the scene where Walter laughs under the house, crazy and dirty from the cobwebs there It adds so much drama to the scene and it feels natural When I started this show, I thought "Chuk has this mental illness so that when he enters the room everybody turns the lights down, he's gonna be such a threatening character" I love these series
The dynamic between these two, Howard and Kim is some of the best drama and acting I've watched. To think some people found the early seasons of BCS 'boring'.
It’s so poetic how Chuck never had any hesitation ending Jimmy’s career, only ending it illegally (extortion). His only moral obligation was to the law, not to helping his own flesh and blood.
The irony is that Chuck was no different than Jimmy. The main difference was that chuck had good intentions but couldn’t see the consequences of those lawful intentions. Played the same game as Jimmy except through influence and authority.
Given what went down in the finale, I 100% believe Jimmy would have given up being a lawyer for Kim. But at the same time, where would he have gone after? Back to being a con-artist like Slipping' Jimmy where he seemed the happiest? God, the writing on this show is good.
I know Chuck had to go to make room for Saul, but I really felt his absence later on. Their relationship was so complicated and great, things got a little hallow in later seasons.
Honestly, after a huge amount of analysis it’s crazy to admit how right chuck was about Jimmy. He always said Jimmy couldn’t stop but in trying to prevent it he made Jimmy into the most heartless criminal in the bb universe
“positively mystifies me” Key phrase that I never noticed before. Shows that Chuck actually appreciates Slippin’ Jimmy and is jealous that he himself can’t “bend the rules”, being book smart. In a way, in that phrase alone, Chuck redeems himself here for being a “hypocrite”. He even says “because deep down, you want me to believe I am some kind of hypocrite” But Jimmy never notices this, rejected by pain from his own brother, and I never noticed this either. Brilliant writing.
For real Kim dedicated decades of her life working for Chuck. He was Her idle, and he punished her simply for being with Jimmy. Chuck is Cruel human Being.
@@antonioalos7687 In this scene it's very apparent that Chuck put Howard up to putting Kim back in the mail room. You notice when he "finds out" she was demoted he doesn't claim hes going to look into it or rectify the situation, he immediately goes into some practiced lawyer spiel about "management" . He orchestrated her demotion to get to jimmy but didn't want to take responsibility for it. Whether or not Howard was mad at her as well, he was the one pulling all the strings.
@@Moviesforlifexxx Did he, because gaslighting and pretending you support your brothers ambitions while secretly sabotaging his career behind his back seems like an awful way to show that love.
Jimmy offered Chuck exactly what he wanted, Chuck wanted Jimmy to quit being a lawyer, that's what it's all been about but if he had agreed then it would have been on Jimmy's terms and he couldn't allow his brother to have the smallest victory. Chuck was such a narcissist and in the end that is what ruined him. he should have taken the deal
“She knows you she should’ve know better. Her one mistake was believing in you.” this is one of the cruelest things Chuck ever said. He thinks Jimmy is undeserving of trust or love from anyone, even his one true companion. No matter how sleazy jimmy is and no matter how many times Chuck is “right” about what Jimmy did (although I maintain that Chuck pushed and provoked Jimmy into doing worse and worse things), this is not something you should ever say to anyone - especially not your brother.
The bickering and arguing here feels way more genuine. You can tell they are still close, even if Chuck has been solidified as an antagonist to Jimmy. They still love eachother, but it isn't repressed in any way or capacity, even if they're both still lying their asses out in some moments. It's a sharp contrast to their relationship in season 3.
"(...)That would be extortion!" "Yeah!" The lighting on Jimmy's face, reminiscent of Bela Lugosi's Dracula movies. Spine-chilling. Perfection. Also Chuck struggling to seem like he wouldn't jump on that deal in a heartbeat if he didn't cling so hard to his sense of pride and self-image.
All the relationship Kim and Jimmy have gone through, what they’ve done for each other. I’m almost terrified to think how it might end. Will Kim die because of him? Will one tear the other’s heart out somehow? Will Jimmy- or her even- go too far with their chicanery and it rips them apart? I can’t wait. This is an incredible drama. Breaking bad was one for the ages, but this takes a far deeper look at close relationships.
1:35 For some reason, this specific scene and how Jimmy says “I implied it” takes me back to season one, where the two brothers would constantly argue back and forth about Jimmy’s antics, but in a way where there wasn’t an obvious wall between them, a wall that Chuck established at the end of the first season.
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Chuck's illness is a genius excuse to have really dramatic lighting in this show
*Chuck's delusion
@@deoxal7947 I AM NOT CRAZY
@@zumabbar I am not crazy....!
The lighting of this room is very X-Files.
@@deoxal7947 mental illnesses are still illnesses
"Life is not one big game of Let's Make a Deal."
"Yes it is!"
Brilliant.
What's behind door number two?!
It's obvious Chuck never saw Al Pacino in "And Justice for all".
Jimmy was surely right in here
And both brothers were a bunch of hypocrites
"Everything everywhere is always moving forever." - Logan Roy
White boy don't like let's make a deal huh 🐢
It’s a sign of good writing when the protagonist and the antagonist are both right, according to their own perspectives.
Thats right, thanks for your view on BCS!
also good writing when the antagonist and protagonist aren’t established & the roles are open to interpretation as to who exactly is who
@@swerv8809 This series should be studied in educational institutions
From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!
@@CLxJamesWELL, THEN YOU ARE LOST!
The fact that Jimmy was willing to quit the law for Kim was a big act of unconditional love on his part. He’d do anything for her.
Sadly together they are poison... ;(
@@JechtNH while Yeah it was proven it was destructive, it ultimately was because of chuck, Lalo and the world who kept putting them down till like Walter they exploded.
No he wasn't, he just wanted to bring Chuck down to his level
And she dropped him when the first sign of trouble that’s women for you
@@chrissantos5580 ?? Did we watch the same show?
_"You are like an alcoholic who can't admit he has a problem!"_
That's rich, coming from Chuck... a man so delusional that he thinks he's allergic to electricity.
Who psychologically made himself physically sick because of his own hatred and/or guilt toward Jimmy.
He's technically not wrong...but it's true that he has not looked himself in the mirror.
Neither brother is willing to admit their flaws.
English time, what tf does "that's rich" mean?
It means the other person is guilty of the same thing.
“That’s your problem Jimmy, thinking the ends justifies the means, and you’re forever shocked when it all blows up in your face”
That really hits home now 😭
Chuck was right and people hate that so much. Makes it all better
@@summ.3433 Omg
@@summ.3433 He was right but he also indirectly helped make Jimmy into Saul, don't understand why people are acting as if he's a prophet
@@noneofthiseverhappened If you take a step back and think about the timeline of the show, it starts at the point in time most favorable to Jimmy. He's a fantastic brother, and all the years of his Slippin' Jimmy antics are only occasionally revisited through flashbacks.
I'm just saying, if we'd seen a few seasons of Jimmy conning people and Chuck hearing about it / maybe even dealing with the fallout, we might not be so unsympathetic to his position.
@@noneofthiseverhappened exactly. it’s a tragedy. Chuck’s attitude and insults and how he treated Jimmy made Jimmy Saul.
Chuck is right. but he’s right bc he made himself right.
Hats off for both actors. One of the best scenes in the show.
Agreed
I loved it. And I don't even watch the show!
Their both great actor shame that Chuck has to go.
It's weird because almost everytime i see a clip of them, i have exactly the same thought
This show is so amazing!
Fun fact Both of them were stand up comedians acting was not their first career
thats exactly what chuck wanted, he just doesnt want to get his hands dirty.
That’s the high Mark of his hypocrisy
Chuck justifies all the injustice he does through methods that aren't against the law.
He refuses to resort to Jimmy's methods, or "stoop to his level" as he no doubt sees it.
To Chuck, the law is sacred and nothing matters more. To Jimmy the law is just a game to win.
As much as he was an asshole, he had his principles and never broke them...
Are you a captain?
I feel sorry for Howard. He's a nice guy with the McGill brothers hanging from his neck.
Yeah, you immediately expect him to be a douchebag, but he’s really likeable.
@@Telechontar09 he does seem like a dick until we realise he wasn't the one who refused to hire Jimmy.
Lol, he's a nice guy? Really? People who say that don't remember the show correctly. Watch it again.
Edit: Not justifying what happened to him, but you can't say he was just a puppet for Chuck. Everyone is responsible for their own actions.
Yeah I felt bad for him after Chuck death in the season three finale.
If Jimmy was only half as good and only half as legit
"Life is not one big game of Let's Make A Deal," _said the lawyer._
If plea bargains aka deals didn’t exist the whole court system would collapse
@@mikeg2491 96%-98% of all court cases end in either settlements or plea bargains
It that wasn’t the case, there would be no lawyers.
“Yes it is”
@@mikeg2491My country doesn't have a Plea Bargain system, at most you have some high level criminals who can make deals to name others in the system for a reduced sentence but that's not true for 90% of the cases.
Chuck: I am not the bad guy.
Narrator: He was.
I actually agree with Chuck here.
They both were
He was an asshole but not the bad guy
Kim Wexler didn’t deserve to be treated the way she did at HHM. She was probably their best lawyer, and they tossed her away twice after decades of hard work. All Chuck says is “this shows a lack of judgment on her part.”
Like seriously bro, a woman’s life is ruined and your going to straight up say it’s her fault for ever liking your younger brother. Then if that wasn’t insulting enough enough, he straight up steals her client just to feel good about himself.
No wonder why she ended up being Gisselle, because the man who she respected the most tried to ruin her life over nothing.
@@jr5925 thank you finally
It’s interesting how, in the beginning of Season 2, he refuses to illegally sabotage Jimmy’s career because of his own principles (even if he does want to). Yet when Jimmy keeps winning against him, at the end of Season 2 and in Season 3, he sabotages Jimmy anyway, but inside the boundaries of the law, that way his conscience is clear of any guilt. Chuck believes that, IMO, if it’s within the law to do something, he can do it, even if it means finding loopholes to exploit.
I hate Chuck, but wow is he one of the most interesting characters on tv. His dynamic with Jimmy is so unique and unparalleled.
"Chuck believes that, IMO, if it’s within the law to do something, he can do it, even if it means finding loopholes to exploit."
That's what separates them the most: Jimmy has very strong moral principles but doesn't care about the law, meanwhile Chuck is a complete fanatic of "the rules" who wouldn't mind decapitating babies if it was lawful.
@@dwight3555 I think that's a good interpretation of their dynamic, though I wouldn't say that Jimmy has strong moral principles per se. I think he has weak morals, but has a lot of empathy, which is what informs his decisions when push comes to shove.
@@Kyrieru You're right, I just didn't remember the word empathy at the time.
@@dwight3555 To be fair, I suppose it's all semantics. Even if Jimmy is generally immoral, that doesn't mean that he doesn't "have" moral principles (and ultimately, morals come from a sense of empathy), so what you said was still all true.
" Season 3, he sabotages Jimmy anyway, but inside the boundaries of the law, that way his conscience is clear of any guilt."
Except in season 3, he did break the law by illegally taping that confession, and extorting a false confession out of jimmy. He finally stooped down to his level. Not to help kim, but just to get revenge on his brother. What a jerk.
I love Jimmy and Kim and how gentle, loving, caring, respectful, selfless, protective and supportive they are towards each other. The fact that they would sacrifice anything they wanted just to make the other happy with only small hesitation is just admirable and heartwarming, they are everything Walt and Skyler isn’t
Agreed, Walt wanted to die or turn himself in, Skyler pushed him back into the abyss. People often forget that.
That makes it even sadder knowing how things play out in breaking bad. I’m dreading this last season because I know Kim and Jimmy are gonna split 😭
Aren't
Skyler🤡🤡🤡
They're codependent
I don't see anyone talking about Chuck's little gesture at 3:27, it's like the cherry on top of this whole scene for me. Jimmy just hit the nail right on the head, he's saying exactly what Chuck wants, and for a second Chuck lets his real feelings slip before putting on a serious face again. You can just TELL he wanted to say something about how amusing the idea is.
He didn't slip, it's known that Jimmy not being a lawyer is Chuck's dream!
@@yourinnerlawyer4035 exactly, but he tells Jimmy the opposite every time they argue about it, even in this very scene. He says otherwise, but in that moment you see an instinctual response that shows his true colors
It’s like the incredulity of being hypothetically offered something beyond your wildest dreams. Millions of dollars for your average person, Jimmy leaving law for Chuck.
Well noted and well performed in this scene.
I get what you are saying but the gesture also means "don't be silly, why would I want that ? "
It works as a way of dismissing Jimmy's whole theory that Kim is being punished to put pressure on Jimmy.
It felt like Jimmy really wanted Chuck to say that he didn't want him to quit the law, like he was still digging for that little hope deep down that he can still get Chuck's approval...
It hurts because I think you’re right. He was hitting a rock already in a hard place and Jimmy really wanted to see a diamond or gold but sadly… Chuck can’t be moved because the law is too sacred.
@@danduhlion it was never really about the law though. It was about not letting his brother be his equal in his own field because of the deep seated resentment he had towards him since childhood
This is really where the show begins to demonstrate that chuck doesn’t have love for the law out of some hunger for justice and the intricacies of right and wrong. He merely uses the law to cling to and claim moral superiority over everyone else. His adherence to what is written and set out in rules is what makes him better than everyone else, fuels his ego
Well spoken
Bingo. Chuck felt an inequity growing up. He worked the hardest but Jimmy was funny and charismatic and was the favorite of his parents even though he wronged them.
In the law everyone is equal. At least how Chuck sees it. And in that even playing field he’s king. He’s dedicated his life to the law, and in that world he’s superior. It’s when he bends the rules and loses we see his downfall. Because that persona was ruined, and he truly had nothing left.
aha
@@agiannakop713 When did Chuck bend the rules of the law?
Chuck is the very definition of a gatekeeper
"What, for pointing out that her one mistake was believing in you?" So savage Chuck lmao
How Jimmy managed to stop himself from clocking Chuck in the face idk... LOL.
It's really telling that Jimmy hands Chuck exactly what he wants on a golden platter, and he isn't taking it because it means the thing he hates about Jimmy: breaking the rules. And in the end, he's just as guilty of hurting innocents.
That's not what he hates about Jimmy. His ego wouldn't allow him to help Kim here, he endured what he considers torture to sabotage Kim. He can't bend to Jimmy, he can't deal with Jimmy, he can't suffer a blow to his ego - he needs to always be exalted and in control. The only reason he hates that Jimmy is a lawyer is because he can't handle the idea of Jimmy being his equal.
Chuck is a malignant narcisist that doesn't care at all about other people. He will go to any lengths to be in charge and grind them down, no matter who else suffers because of it. He has no internal concept of right or wrong, so he embraced "legal vs illegal" as a learned code of morality that he could learn better than anyone else, and therefore elevate himself over them as more moral, more righteous, always justified in what he did.
Look at how much Rebecca resembles their mother. Watch Chuck when Jimmy makes Rebecca laugh. What Chuck wants isn't really for Jimmy to quit the law and his problem with Jimmy isnt Jimmy breaking rules or cutting corners. That is a convenient and self-righteous framework to give his hate shape and structure, but old-fashioned hate it is.
True, as much as Chuck refuses to break the law he still hurts a lot of people through his unethical methods.
You must be delusional... Jimmy breaking the rules resulted in countless deaths and broken laws, Chuck didn't even do a scratch the damage of that.
“You think the ends justifies the means, and you’re forever shocked when it blows up in your face”
Got me thinking about the end of Plan and Execution
Chuck isn’t entirely wrong about Jimmy. It’s just that he never gave Jimmy a chance to be better, and it was all Jimmy needed to go down that road.
it's funny to think that both Chuck and the skater twins were the catalysts for the huge butterfly effect that would not only end up taking Howard's life, but would end up changing the face of (fictional) Albuquerque forever
@@sirmagnifico04 Never gave Jimmy a chance? I'm pretty sure Jimmy has been given a thousand chances before Better Call Saul, hence why Chuck in Better Call Saul simply refuses to believe Jimmy would turn his life around, because...well, why would he?
Last chance to look at me Hector
Chuck: You’re my brother, and I love you, but you’re like an alcoholic who refuses to admit he’s got a problem.
Howard: maybe if enough people tell you you’re Drunk, maybe it’s time to sit down.
And Chuck embodies what he's talking about in his own false condition that he can't face.
Writing in this show is god tier
Chucks projection onto Jimmy
@@carlosantoniomanriquezprim9632 FLAVO GLINCE
And now they are both dead... haunting
Had Chuck committed just one felony. He could’ve prevented many more.
The Trolley Problem in the nutshell
Nah. What would Jimmy do, get a job as a web developer and be normal the rest of his life? He can’t do that. He can only be himself.
We go back to the condo drum of "the end cannot justify the means" which Chuck abides by. Jimmy's and Chuck's ethical compasses are at opposition here.
“You turned [kim] into an accessory”
If only Chuck were still alive to see them today.
I swear every Chuck and Jimmy scene deserves an Emmy
I remember I felt really bad when chuck died and I felt kinda relieved.
I was relieved his arc was over and he was written out, but it was sad to see him suffering this much from his mental illness and going out in such a brutal way.
@@ikeamonkey7372 I agree. Nobody deserves to go out like that especially someone who clearly had a mental illness.
The back and forth here is so good. While Chuck is admittedly right about JImmy thinking the ends justify the means, Jimmy is just as right about Chuck being a petty hypocrite.
Saul have been a hypocrite a lot tho, Walt have been, Skylar have been, kim have been. It's not a great point to make when wll the characters are flawed
@@faresenoAt least Jimmy would probably be the first to admit it. Has Chuck ever done that?
If you had watched the whole series you have to aknowledge this scene as one the best written dialogue between these two
4:57 this is the moment when Chuck becomes the bad guy...
Its the equivelent of me saying
'I'm not skinny'
Sometimes foreshadowing is relatively obvious
Lmao. It is.
Esau and Jacob XXI Century
I love Jimmy's joyous, exuberant expression when he replies "yeah, it would" to Chuck's extortion statement.
This is the scene Walter White became a Hoover Max Extract Pressure Pro Model 6
I feel like nobody talks about this scene enough. It's 5 intense minutes of nuanced argument that perfectly encapsulates what's so brilliant about the show. The layers upon layers unfolding between flawed characters believing they're in the right. Every intricate detail of the conflict and plot surrounding it playing its part to convey extraordinary character study. Mike vs Tuco was great, but this here is why I'm drawn to this show.
Talk about EXLERTLY written and acted out... these two are TITANS among mere boys when it comes to their craft. They both have acting chops FAR beyond their pay grade.
Expertly
and the fact that they're both comedians
It is amazing how well acted this is. What a great scene. You know how much Chuck is tempted to cut a deal, but he just cannot sully his own hands...
The writing in this show feels so real and grounded it's like eavsedropping into an actual conversation sometimes.
Such masterful writing and acting in this scene. Both these actors give their characters so much life .
If only Chuck removed his halo for this one moment, so many lives would’ve been saved.
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His halo was just an accessory thats the worst part.
It’s interesting how Chuck says “I never said that. I would NEVER say that.” He basically did say it, I love this show.
You know it’s a good show when you can’t tell who’s in the wrong
Both of them are
Chuck isn't
@@TaxingIsThieving bro chuck is the most sinister selfish and vile chacter in the show. He even killed himself because he knew.
Chuck is right in spirit. But he's wrong morally.
Jimmy is. He is nothing but a sleazeball lawyer who is only in it for the money. Chuck has more honor than his brother
I think this show was at it's highest before Chuck died. I mean it was great right up to the end, but these two together really did create something incredible. They're both the villain and the hero in the show, being equally bad as each other, for complete opposite reasons. I can't actually think of any other show that has this kind of relationship between two brothers.
They had spesial connection .Thats for sure
I think so too. I think as time goes on and the more I rewatch it, seasons 1-3 are the best seasons because of Chuck and Jimmy's relationship building up until it peaks with Chicanery. And also I love early Jimmy and I start to dislike him a lot more by seasons 5 and 6.
All that to say, seasons 5 and 6 are also amazing. This show is so damn special
i was struglin to follow the kim plotline in season 5 but rewatching the series i realize that she has plenty of reason to be pissed about HHM, howard, chuck and corporate lawyers in general, and it makes sense that jimmy's shady style of going solo against the establishment would rub off on her....
Incredible, intense chemistry! Superior acting, that you never want to end!
from this to Saul Goodman, what a series.
The relationship between these two is the most complex I have ever seen in television and film
This is the moment when Bob Odenkirk becomes Kevin Costner
3:49 I feel like this is the biggest disconnect between the two brothers. Both are highly logical in their thinking, but have two completely different perspectives on how the world DOES work and SHOULD work. Chuck sees everything through the lens of the law, so he can't identify with Jimmy on a familial level - which is really all Jimmy wants.
Incredible acting. Long, intense debates scenes have been a lost art.
"You're my brother and I love you"
*way later*
"You never mattered all that much to me"
You never matter that much to me is the lie, he just wanted to hurt jimmy, he even feel sicker because of this
4:14 for Good------man "Better call Saul theme plays"
Wow Chuck's words about Jimmy breaking the rules and being surprised it blows up in his face, making Kim an accessory and embarrassing Howard for no reason is also prophetic considering what's happening so far in the final season.
To be fair, that whole thing was Kim's idea. Jimmy didn't want to do it. Even at the end, he was convinced that what they did was, as Kim described it, a "career setback." He says as much to Howard in the apartment. What's more prophetic (to me at least) is Chuck saying Jimmy is an alcoholic who can't admit he has a problem. Any idiot could see what they were doing was cruel, but between his love for Kim and the rush he gets from "winning," he literally couldn't care enough to see it.
The flash forwards in the last season were like watching his final relapse.
Chuck is an asshole, but everything he says about Jimmy here is pretty accurate. He adheres way too strictly to the 'ends justify means' mindset and refuses to acknowledge the damage he causes no matter how blatant it is which in a lot of scenes like this one is just infuriating because it's insulting to the people who suffer the damage
He's also a hypocrite. Hurting Kim's career to hurt Jimmy is also ends justifying the means. Jimmy embraces moves like that, but Chuck does it and acts like nothings wrong and he's above Jimmy. He can't admit that he doesn't want Jimmy practicing law
Chuck is a follower of Hans Kelsen: he obeys the letter of the law and is unfair on everything else… but spotless on the written law.
@@poisonpotato1 Jimmy did make Kim look very bad and it wasn't Chuck's doing in this case. Because of Kim's misjudgment of Jimmy, Howard looks like an idiot for recommending him, Cliff looks like an idiot for hiring him, and both firms are damaged.
Now if you want to talk about when Chuck goes out of his way to meet with Mesa Verde despite the amount of discomfort just to take them away from Kim, that's another story
@@domskillet5744 Not really. Mesa Verde is like the apple of this universe. If you're not doing everything you can to keep apple then you might as well just sell your business and retire cause you clearly have no idea what you're doing
@@BhBc8f8 It still seems likely there was an element of spite involved
Imagine being crew and get to see their performances live omg
Chuck to Jimmy: "...you're like an alcoholic who refuses to admit he's got a problem."
Howard to Chuck: "...if enough people tell you that you're drunk, maybe it's time to sit down."
Just realized Chuck gave himself away around 0:40
"You Help Kim, I Quit The Law..."
"I didn't say that. I would never say that."
Chuck's such a crap weasel. That's not a denial.
Greatest show along with Breaking Bad. Thanks for posting this clip.
Exactly Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul can't wait for season six.
@@abramsullivan7764What did you think of Season 6?
I love the lighting, composition, and camera work in Chuck’s house.
Scenes like this feel like they could be straight out of a play or a black and white movie
I've seen it said before, but Chuck really is one of the most interestingly written characters in any show I've ever seen
This scene is the best summary of Jimmy's character.
J: What did I do that was so wrong!?
C: You broke the rules. You turned Kim into your accessory. You embarrassed Howard (...) You made Cliff and his partners look like schmucks. Shall I go on?
Jimmy does not think about the consequences of his actions. He does what he wants to without a thought for how it will affect the people around him. world
The last thing in the world that Jimmy would want is to damage Kim's career, but he did it anyway.
And what was the benefit to breaking the rules and damaging his own career as well as Kim's? Nothing. Jimmy did it because he didn't fit in at his new firm and he wanted to be a showman. There was no possible upside to doing it.
God every scene with these two is so great. If you told me they were real siblings I’d believe you. Such a relatable sibling dynamic, best ive ever seen portrayed on television.
Showdown of two great actors!!
Comedic actors are the best actors.
This is a great scene.
I just realized the simplest way to describe these two's dynamic. Someone else has probably already said this but I don't care. Chuck believes morality is derived from the law, if it's legal or within the rules then he's completely okay with doing it, even if it seems immoral, while Jimmy believes the law should bend to morality, and if it doesn't then he's completely fine with breaking it so long as he thinks he's doing the right thing in the end.
Jimmy believes if he does something right even tho it is outside the boundaries of Law then it is justified, but Chuck believes even if he does something wrong but it's within the boundaries of Law then it is justified .... The parallel between the brothers is just genius! 👏
Chuck also believes that the ends justify the means, he just doesn't break the law
What a great acting here, I love this scene!
Chuck: You will hurt everyone around you.
Also Chuck: *hurts everyone around Jimmy*
Also Chuck: hurts Howard, Kim(he tried to take away her case for Mesa Verde), and Jimmy
Both hurt people around them but in different ways. Chuck pushes people away, mostly out of ego. Jimmy hurt people around him with his actions, his schemes and crimes without thinking of the consequences.
Chuck wanted it both ways and he got it. He just was unsure of himself at the worst moment when it came to identifying who he was. Remember Howard gave him the check to leave HHM and that was not satisfactory enough for him. Could not handle someone not as smart as him would outperform him. So much so he had to the leave the world because it could not meet his expectations which if were being honest were forthright but not realistic.
Right. Chuck treats everyone like they're below him. Apart from Rebecca, which is why he married her.
Fantastic acting from both men
3:18 "Life is not one big game of lets make a deal"
Uhh no life is that way, ESPECIALLY the courtroom.
The McGill brothers deserve each other
The only thing stopping Chuck is extortion is "against the rules" not wrong
Chuck is extorting Jimmy he just won't come out and admit it.
Love the drama of the early seasons: elder law, phony commercials, Jimmy V Chuck.
"Kims one mistake was believing in you." - that hits different after seeing the fate of Howard
The Chuck and Jimmy arc are on par with Breaking Bad
I know right? I think every arc is expertly written but the Jimmy-Chuck arc will always be my favorite part of the Better Call Saul
When I think about these details, I love that, for example, in Breaking Bad, Skyler puts their money inside those plastic bags in her closet and it falls because of the weight, so she puts them under the house
At the time, it's such a silly scene that we forget about
But by the end of the season, we have the scene where Walter laughs under the house, crazy and dirty from the cobwebs there
It adds so much drama to the scene and it feels natural
When I started this show, I thought "Chuk has this mental illness so that when he enters the room everybody turns the lights down, he's gonna be such a threatening character"
I love these series
i love this friggin show and bob is such an awesome actor
Ends justify the means 👏🏻 great writing
The dynamic between these two, Howard and Kim is some of the best drama and acting I've watched. To think some people found the early seasons of BCS 'boring'.
I felt that way at first. Now I love the first three seasons far more than the last three (though Nippy was pretty damn good)
"I know you like to think the world revolves around you, Jimmy" Funny because Chuck's world did revolve around Jimmy
“I am not the bad guy here.” Lol he probably thought the same thing when he was going to sue Howard and HHM into oblivion.
Haha! Chuck, who in his mind has never made a mistake his whole life.
God damn I miss this show, pure genius.
Well final season yet to come... fingers crossed
This was the exact moment that Jimmy got down to brass tacks
It’s so poetic how Chuck never had any hesitation ending Jimmy’s career, only ending it illegally (extortion). His only moral obligation was to the law, not to helping his own flesh and blood.
"I'm not the bad guy here"
-The bad guy here
Jimmy: The alcoholic who refuses to admit he has a problem.
Chuck: The sane man who believes he is allergic to electricity……
Hearing the styrofoam as chuck takes off his blazer is SUCH an underrated important detail to this scene. Sound designers need to get more credit
The irony is that Chuck was no different than Jimmy. The main difference was that chuck had good intentions but couldn’t see the consequences of those lawful intentions. Played the same game as Jimmy except through influence and authority.
@@andrewfox368 Really makes you question what is "good" and "bad". The road to hell is paved with good (selfish) intentions.
Chuck was right in this situation though
Given what went down in the finale, I 100% believe Jimmy would have given up being a lawyer for Kim. But at the same time, where would he have gone after? Back to being a con-artist like Slipping' Jimmy where he seemed the happiest? God, the writing on this show is good.
I know Chuck had to go to make room for Saul, but I really felt his absence later on. Their relationship was so complicated and great, things got a little hallow in later seasons.
Honestly, after a huge amount of analysis it’s crazy to admit how right chuck was about Jimmy. He always said Jimmy couldn’t stop but in trying to prevent it he made Jimmy into the most heartless criminal in the bb universe
What of my fav scenes. Odenkirk and McKeane killed it
Joke's on Jimmy: Kim helped him and *she* quit the law.
“positively mystifies me”
Key phrase that I never noticed before. Shows that Chuck actually appreciates Slippin’ Jimmy and is jealous that he himself can’t “bend the rules”, being book smart.
In a way, in that phrase alone, Chuck redeems himself here for being a “hypocrite”. He even says “because deep down, you want me to believe I am some kind of hypocrite”
But Jimmy never notices this, rejected by pain from his own brother, and I never noticed this either. Brilliant writing.
Chuck is just... the worst.
He hates his brother and takes it out on an innocent employee just to make a point (which is wrong by the way).
For real Kim dedicated decades of her life working for Chuck. He was Her idle, and he punished her simply for being with Jimmy. Chuck is Cruel human Being.
Nope,i n fact a few scenes later after kim gets mesa verde it is in fact shown that it was howard the one mad, and not chuck
@@antonioalos7687 In this scene it's very apparent that Chuck put Howard up to putting Kim back in the mail room. You notice when he "finds out" she was demoted he doesn't claim hes going to look into it or rectify the situation, he immediately goes into some practiced lawyer spiel about "management" . He orchestrated her demotion to get to jimmy but didn't want to take responsibility for it. Whether or not Howard was mad at her as well, he was the one pulling all the strings.
Chuck didnt love him as a lawyer but he did as a brother.
@@Moviesforlifexxx Did he, because gaslighting and pretending you support your brothers ambitions while secretly sabotaging his career behind his back seems like an awful way to show that love.
Jimmy offered Chuck exactly what he wanted, Chuck wanted Jimmy to quit being a lawyer, that's what it's all been about but if he had agreed then it would have been on Jimmy's terms and he couldn't allow his brother to have the smallest victory. Chuck was such a narcissist and in the end that is what ruined him. he should have taken the deal
Both Chuck and Jimmy are really screwed-up men, more similar to each other than either one would ever admit. They both must have had awful childhoods.
My goood, these two actors are mind-blowing
“She knows you she should’ve know better. Her one mistake was believing in you.”
this is one of the cruelest things Chuck ever said. He thinks Jimmy is undeserving of trust or love from anyone, even his one true companion. No matter how sleazy jimmy is and no matter how many times Chuck is “right” about what Jimmy did (although I maintain that Chuck pushed and provoked Jimmy into doing worse and worse things), this is not something you should ever say to anyone - especially not your brother.
The bickering and arguing here feels way more genuine. You can tell they are still close, even if Chuck has been solidified as an antagonist to Jimmy. They still love eachother, but it isn't repressed in any way or capacity, even if they're both still lying their asses out in some moments. It's a sharp contrast to their relationship in season 3.
"(...)That would be extortion!"
"Yeah!"
The lighting on Jimmy's face, reminiscent of Bela Lugosi's Dracula movies. Spine-chilling. Perfection.
Also Chuck struggling to seem like he wouldn't jump on that deal in a heartbeat if he didn't cling so hard to his sense of pride and self-image.
All the relationship Kim and Jimmy have gone through, what they’ve done for each other. I’m almost terrified to think how it might end. Will Kim die because of him? Will one tear the other’s heart out somehow? Will Jimmy- or her even- go too far with their chicanery and it rips them apart? I can’t wait. This is an incredible drama. Breaking bad was one for the ages, but this takes a far deeper look at close relationships.
Oh boy
1:35 For some reason, this specific scene and how Jimmy says “I implied it” takes me back to season one, where the two brothers would constantly argue back and forth about Jimmy’s antics, but in a way where there wasn’t an obvious wall between them, a wall that Chuck established at the end of the first season.