Kim Confronts Howard | Breathe | Better Call Saul
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- Tensions are high as Kim supports Jimmy by confronting Howard.
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From Season 4, Episode 2 'Breathe' - Jimmy seeks new employment, and Gus navigates the fallout from Hector's collapse. Kim endeavours to support Jimmy in the wake of Chuck's death.
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Better Call Saul is the prequel to the award-winning series Breaking Bad, set six years before Saul Goodman (Bob Odenkirk) became Walter White's lawyer. When we meet him, the man who will become Saul Goodman is known as Jimmy McGill, a small-time lawyer searching for his destiny, and, more immediately, hustling to make ends meet. Working alongside, and often against, Jimmy is "fixer" Mike Erhmantraut (Jonathan Banks), a beloved character introduced in Breaking Bad. The series will track Jimmy's transformation into Saul Goodman, the man who puts "criminal" in "criminal lawyer."
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Kim: Clearly disturbed and upset about Chuck’s death
Jimmy: Goldfish go blub blub blub
Well his last conversation with Chuck Chuck said that Jimmy didn’t and had never meant anything to him
Well, maybe you can’t understand what’s happening inside…
@@ryankeefe6222 he knows he was lying maybe because idk HE KILLED HIMSELF AFTER THAT?
@@Jammal15 I think thats the point of the jimmys char arc. he choose the worsts coping mechanics to deal with his grief and also himself. thats why the "you are always down" hits so much. Jimmy is not thought to be healthy
@@alilweeb7684 well I think the problem some have is the assumption that it was good that Jimmy was always believed and praised by his parents. He was never taught to deal with negative emotions and adjust his behavior accordingly.
I simultaneously believe Kim’s anger is justified and that Howard doesn’t deserve it which is weird
Howard's actions are inconsiderate but he is struggling himself and he genuinely feels that he is doing right by Jimmy.
Because it is ALL Chuck's fault. Howard is incredibly self-centered, but Chuck is the actual poison here.
Howard let his truth be known too late, he was always professional and personal second.
I know Howard’s not a bad guy but he also didn’t take her advice and tried to repeatedly reach out to Jimmy with a series of rather tone deaf gestures when in reality he should have just stayed away. Offering Jimmy a job at HHM after all the trauma Jimmy went through at that place and with his brother is insane even if the intentions were good. But yeah, didn’t deserve to get scammed and shot in the head over it.
@@Nonaggress there is not a single good person here. Some better than the others. But no one is good.
Can’t believe no one said it but it’s the ABSOLUTE SINCERITY in his “What can I do to make it better??” The man genuinely doesn’t know what to do and wants nothing more than to make amends for ALL of it… But instead (and as always) he’s forced into the role of the bad guy
Howard is… a near insufferable character, who was simply trying to do the right thing 90% of the time. A perfect foil for Jimmy, who’s entertaining but a conman.
That's the comment I was looking for. The acting is really awesome, you can hear his voice cracking, the guy sounds like he's on the verge on crying and genuinely distressed.
When I've looked at Better Call Saul from Howard's point of view, he's a huge victim. He literally tries to stay impartial (aside from keeping Kim in the mail room. I still don't understand that motivation) and gets blamed for everything.
@@melodyconte i have a theory that Howard was the one who recommended Kim to Shweickart. He knew she was never going anywhere significant in the firm with Chuck breathing down both her and Jimmy’s neck, so he created a situation where she was incentivized to go somewhere she could thrive. That’s why he was so happy for her when she announced she was leaving HHM.
@@Eljacob0 "near insufferable"? Sure he puts on a fake smile and acts all chummy with people, but as the head of a company you kind of need those people skills when your job is to convince people to work with your firm. I like him
The tremble in her voice is just so perfect. What an outstanding performance.
And it makes you tearing up lol great acting
Most underrated performance in the show.
Rhea is absolutely outstanding in this generally superbly cast show. Whenever she appears, my eyes are glued to her every motion and expression. She certainly made the most of her opportunity, brilliant actress.
Great performance all around ... that scene is just ....... WOW
Imagine having to do like 5 takes.
I love how well Rhea portrays gradually escalating anger in this scene, it's brilliant. Also I kinda felt bad for Howard, guy suffers a major loss and then gets verbally slammed.
Screw Howard haha I don’t feel he deserves an ounce of sympathy he’s such a phony
Actually Howard stood his ground for the first time instead of being Chuck's loyal servant who then also gets all the shit, while Chuck avoided all responsibility and played the immaculate glorious lawyer. Chuck killing himself was also supposed to be a punishment towards Howard, but Howard is not smart enough to realize. From here on, his descent begins.
He did it to himself he could just simply keep his mouth shut and avoid talking about sensitive issues but he keeps picking at it like a bad pimple. Howard claimed to love Chuck like an older brother but he is not Chucks family Jimmy is so he has no right to speak on anything.
Rhea is the best actor on a show that has a lot of excellent actors. I say this as a longtime Bob Odenkirk fan going back to Mr. Show.
@KitchensAreHot Spot on.
"Fair? Let's talk about fair." - Kim asked calmly.
Lol
Lol
"I understood that reference" - Captain America
@@alastairmcgetrick2145 lol no its from pirates of the caribbean
“JIMMY! DID YOU PLANT THAT BATTERY IN MY BREAST POCKET???!!!” Chuck asked calmly
I love that Howard's response is just "what can I do to make it better?"
He isn't interested in defending himself to soothe a bruised ego. He just genuinely wants to help. Howard had a good heart.
Howard was the man
He should have thought of being fair to Jimmy instead of letting Chuck decide everything for him and then pretend it was his mutual decision. Howard was coward and enabler of Chuck's abusive behaviour. But deep down he was a good person and without Chuck he was finally free to prove it, but it was too late since Jimmy had him fixed as THE bad guy by then.
@@Altherot He did, and Chuck sued him because of it
“What can I do” perfectly summarizes Howard: he’s innocent but also naive and unaware, and people get into horrible stuff when they’re not strong and socially realistic enough to anticipate catastrophes
It's especially significant when we later discover that his marriage is spiralling out of control, which leads us to wonder if he's asked this exact question before, only to be told that there's nothing he could do. One wonders if he's thinking about his wife at that moment.
How Rhea didn't get an Emmy for her acting prowess is beyond me 🙌🏻
She was robbed
who won the Emmy in this year?
@@israelgalindo78 Only white people for sure
Why? Us, the audience matters not some silly award, our feedback and support for the show is better for these people.
Emmy, grammy, oscars all meaningless door prizes these days
I still can't believe that Rhea Seehorn hasn't won an Emmy.
This? This Chicanery?! What A Sick Joke!
prob bc she doesnt fill a checkbox
It’s because she’s an underrated character in an underrated show. She absolutely deserves an Emmy for her performance. What a sick joke!
I read last words of your comment with Chuck's voice
If I met her I would marry her in a heartbeat
Howard’s not a bad guy, at all. He may have some flaws to be sure but he seems to be a genuinely good person underneath the hotshot attorney persona and yet he constantly gets dumped on by everyone.
Dude went from my most loathed character to one of my most pitied. That takes some superb writing.
i honestly never got the hate on howard. He feels like a bystander on a car wreck. force to watch while absolutely horrible situation infold and powerless to do anything about it. He even has proof jimmy trashed his car but took for himself, cuz he knows how much this situation is hurting jimmy. its brilliant really, howard isa good pal
He gets dumped on because he's spineless... he let Chuck use him as his puppet and help him manipulate and hold back Jimmy. He's not a bystander, he's in the middle of that shit storm... just because he didn't have anything personal against Jimmy doesn't excuse him from the pain, failures and disappointment Chuck made him put on Jimmy. In my book that makes him a spineless coward, a fake persona.
He's like the Hank of BCS.
@@vigilante5148 Noooooo... he is definitely NOT the Hank of BCS. Hank was the hero in BrBa, Howard is definitely not a hero.
@@MickayG What I meant to say was that Howard is the only one who does his job on the show and he is the person that is probably the least bad out of all the other main characters on the show. That's what I meant
Howard is such a character to feel sorry for. He never wanted to screw Jimmy, and I’m convinced he wanted him to be a lawyer after he got graduated. But his loyalty and respect to Chuck really screwed him over. Howard always liked Jimmy for being good with people and having the creativity, he knew of his potential from day one, but was never given a chance
When he asked Chuck to leave HHM, he clearly had enough of Chuck and knew that he was wrong in screwing Jimmy, he almost wanted to apologise to Jimmy, but knowing at the same time that Jimmy wouldn’t forgive him.
Jimmy was wrong in screwing Howard, he has the right to be upset, but ultimately Howard reminds him of Chuck, and he can’t let it go.
I feel so sorry for Howard. Great writing
And at the end of season 5
*[SPOILERS BELOW]*
The way Kim and Jimmy were talking about how they would fuck him over, even going as far as framing him for murder or misconduct, I felt really really bad for him. He clearly felt horrible about what happened to Chuck, and genuinely wanted to somehow make everything up to Jimmy, so seeing everyone treat him like this evil uncaring CEO when all he wanted to do was give Jimmy a chance to recover was really sad. I'm worried what he's going to go through in season 6.
there are lots of comments here sharing pity for howard, but this one is great because you address and reframe his past mistakes
Yeah doesn’t Howard say that he would have hired jimmy as a lawyer but chuck wouldn’t let him. It seems like Howard just wants the best for everyone but that’s an impossible goal when what everyone wants is in direct conflict with one another
@@justinbieber8028 he is always at crossroads with someone and his timing is always slightly off. If Chuck had died earlier, he could have called Jimmy into the firm. And now that Chuck is dead, both Kim and Jimmy want nothing to do with him. He was spineless with Chuck, he should have told him he wasn't doing his dirty work and that if he wanted to trash his brother's career, he had to do it himself.
Plus, after Chuck's death, Howard suffered from insomnia, even going to a theraphist and had to save the firm by himself making layoffs to avoid bankrupt. Howard is a character that since his introduction has had to charge an inmense pressure in his shoulders, and now more than ever since he's now the CEO of HHM
I felt bad for Howard in this scene. I truly believe he is a good man and was trying to do what he believed was right.
So you thought he was right to tell Jimmy that? On that day? Are you Chuck?
@@manbunmyname5866 Jimmy deserves to know. Sure, you can argue that day might not have been the best (purely subjective), but if I was in James' position I would rather know than never be told.
@@manbunmyname5866 It's not that Howard was doing the right thing, it's that he honestly believed this was right
@@movieboy6 jimmy probably already knew it
he told chuck "one day you are goanna get sick,they are goanna take you to the hospital,put you into those machined,boops zaps and...hurts
and you are goanna die and nobody will be there with you"
he knew it would happen eventually
@@volnartheunforgiving3952 exactly, Howard isn’t a bad guy because he needed to vent the things that were in his mind. Was it the complete wrong time to do so? Yes. But was it an inherently evil action, absolutely not.
I always see Hamlin as someone caught in the middle of a family squabble who is trying not to take sides and keep everyone happy yet expectantly fails to do so.
Why do people keep saying "Howard never tried to take sides"? He very obviously took Chuck's side and lied to Jimmy to his face on Chuck's behalf for over a year. Howard was 100% on Chuck's side the whole way through in the brother feud and conspired with Chuck against Jimmy
@@dr.aisaitl7439 op clearly said "failed" lmfao
@@MrUsamo But Howard did not try to keep Jimmy happy at all, he lied to him directly at his expense
No. He was trying to make Chuck happy. But, also prioritizing his firm. He could've acted by himself seeing how Chuck is already suffering from mental illness yet he still waits and acts under Chuck's commands. When everything blows, he tries to save face for Jimmy. Yes Howard is not a bad guy, but he didn't know any better. Kim was already a league of her own being on a partner track S&C yet in HHM she's doing Doc review and she's 3 years ahead of Jimmy who got Partner track in D&M.
@@dr.aisaitl7439 It was Chuck's decision, but Howard admits that he would have 100% hired him as a lawyer. He was taking the heat off of Chuck, because he didn't want his brother to hate him and was willing to carry the weight of Jimmy's ire. He doesn't conspire with Chuck, Chuck played him the recording where Jimmy admits to Chuck that he switched the numbers on his documents. From that, he's justified in going after Jimmy, because Jimmy costed him and Howard a HUGE client by doing that.
Spoiler alert;
After the mid season finale this week I had to come re-watch this clip. It's heartbreaking, Howard just wanted to make things right as best he could. He didn't deserve his fate
Yeah. If he actually took Kim's angry advice then and there and just stayed away, then... it wouldn't have turned out this way. But he wanted to make things right, he extended his olive branch and offered Jimmy a job.
God, it's the worst tragedy for a man with good intentions like that.
Howard got what was coming to him.
Yea dude Howard blew our minds.
Same old thing as in BB... Innocent people end up being hurt by other people crimes. Nacho's father might be one of the few to escape this fate just because of his son's sacrifice.
@@Hemphempmind 🤣
A great part of this scene that I haven't seen mentioned yet; Kim accuses Howard of unloading his guilt onto Jimmy, but that's exactly what she's doing to Howard. She's clearly grieving, and feels complicit in Chuck's death, but with Jimmy's c'est la vie attitude she feels like she has no outlet for it. She's just passing her own guilt down the line onto the most convenient target. It's excellent foreshadowing of the turn her relationship with Howard eventually takes.
Yeah it goes both ways really
I don’t see it that way at all. I see it as the first time anyone has ever stuck up for Jimmy.
@@jackknutson2540I think it’s both
You don't see it mentioned because it's a bad analogy
Bars bro! Bars!
Kim is honestly the perfect example of a strong female character. She's REALLY scary sometimes but not too much, it's realistic
Kim es el tipo de mujer que me encantaría tener en mi vida.
I wonder how they're gonna write her off? I doubt she is gonna die, im predicting after she and Jimmy get divorced, she probably moves out of New Mexico, thats the reason shes not in Breaking Bad
@@billblaski9523 ¿Y a quién llama Francesca el 12 de noviembre?
@@omegajrz1269 i dont know, who?
@@billblaski9523 Habrá que esperar a la temporada 6. Creo que Saul envía a Kim con el vendedor de aspiradoras. Para mantenerla a salvo del cartel. Y Francesca la llama diciéndole que Jimmy está en Nebraska, y ella lo va a buscar ahí.
You gotta love Kim. She's intelligent, brave, capable, strong and the best of all she is absolutely loyal.
And HOT!!!
@@jimmyarturi6325 can’t forget that. Rhea Seehorn and Anna Gunn are two of the best female leads I’ve ever seen, phenomenal actresses and very good looking to boot.
But she's preparing to completely ruin Howard's life in season 6 because he insulted Jimmy. She's always been flawed, that's what makes for an interesting character.
All of these great qualities always feed the idea that whatever ends up splitting her from Jimmy will need to be terrible.
@@cometmoon4485 hmm not just that imo,Kim sees all the wrong of the world in Howard,pushed her around and degraded her for nothing. in her eyes he's selfish,greedy and power hungry. "you're a shit lawyer but a great salesman" in Jimmy's words,ironically. she has mad beef with him and might be part of her ending in season 6. cant wait!
I actually feel so bad for Howard,
@KitchensAreHot Hopefully .
He got burned more than Chuck
You bout to feel worse...
@@TheAlps36 you did not 😂
The fact that the audience can sympathize with both parties here is perfect writing. Life isn't always black and white and I can find myself really understanding and sympathizing with both of them in this scene. Which is just brilliant writing that was performed by amazing actors 👏
Everyone talking about Kim being outstanding in this scene, but damn howard took the beating and you can see the pain in his eyes at the end.
Kim later relives history by tell Howard's wife about his true fate to "unload her guilt and to make herself feel better" love how these scenes mirror the future in the worst ways imaginable
I never even thought about it like that, wow.
🅱️ravo 🅱️eter, 🅱️ravo 🅱️ince.
It is not the same thing. Kim had already turned herself in. At the very least she helped undo some of the damage to Howards' legacy and probably brought the wife some closure since she finally confirmed her husband was not a drug addict.
@Henry Peters Howard unloads guilt by telling Jim that he was partly responsible for his brothers death.
Kim unloads guilt by telling Howard's wife that she was partly responsible for Howard's death.
How is it not the same thing?
@@iNathanLite Because Cheryl had already expressed that she wanted the true story, and tried to get Kim and Jimmy to tell her, whereas Jimmy didn't ask for it.
“It’s like poetry it rhymes”
I adore this series and obviously it's Jimmy's story, but this is my favorite scene. Kim was maybe the only person in Jimmy's life who ever truly understood and cared for him, and she's voicing the things he won't.
Marco was a true bro too. Mike is cold and thinks little of Saul but still respects his skill and tries to guide him.
@@Ray_D_Tutto marco obviously really liked jimmy, but something he and chuck had in common was that they both thought he'd always be slippin' jimmy (the difference being marco genuinely admired jimmy's skills as a conman). kim enjoys scheming with jimmy but actually believed that he could be something else, unlike everyone else close to him
@@Ray_D_Tutto Marco was a bro, but he brought down Jimmy
She’s a sociopath who has fun by destroying other people’s lives. Worse than Jimmy. Toxic as hell. Disgusting character.
And here, she’s the one who’s unloading the guilt. Problem with Howard is that he was too much kind to tell her to shut up.
One major bright side to this series was and honestly is Kim she is ready to go to war for Jimmy and you can see her genuine concern for his well being
Howard is one of the characters I feel most bad for in the show
Jimmy and Kim made him go through a lot of shit even though he never intended on hurting anyone
I don't... he was spineless, he let Chuck use him... not wanting to hurt Jimmy personally doesn't take away that he did hurt Jimmy by being Chuck's puppet...that's possibly even worse.
@@MickayG The way I describe it is Howard is a nice man, but he isn't a good man. He wants everything to be nice and pleasant and inoffensive and serene, but when the right thing to do isn't any of those things he'll avoid it like the plague. He'll make a lot of nice gestures, but he'll never do anything heartfelt or be real with people. Howard would be a great guy at a dinner or cocktail party, but not the guy you want when someone is in the hospital or having a meltdown.
He assisted Chuck in screwing over Jimmy over years and in many significant times... It might be a tough position to be in, but he chose what he chose - there's no question of that
He could have supported Jimmy early on when he became a Lawyer. While it was all Chuck’s actions, Howard assisted in undermining Jimmy when he was trying to be a legit lawyer.
@@pittland44 u could use that reasoning in politics…specifically the political left…they think being nice all the time makes u a good person
I love that moment in which she seems to be collecting her thoughts (1:32-1:42), and then turns to him like "OK, let's do this". It looks so realistic. Rhea's performance was outstanding here.
No, she didn't want to do it, she wanted to remain calm and rational, but her emotions got the best of her.
I come back to this scene at least once a month. She's just beyond brilliant!
03:17 “What can I do to make it better?” That’s the same thing Jimmy asks the skateboarders who tried to con him in the first episode. Except where the twins asked for money, Kim asked for nothing. Just the little things that show how genuine she is
I’m pretty sure he didn’t ask that to make things better for her...
@@ObsessiveGod Still, that is a pretty good catch on Aakash Yagnik's part to be honest. If that was intentional on the writers part, that is a very good easter egg that I never in a million years would have connected.
But I think howard was actually being sincere, like he didn't know what to do
Still have the same view of kim? Knowing that she told him to do nothing so she could excuse herself to slowly eating howard alive along with her piece of crap husband?
This is one of the best performances of the entire series, on both sides, hands down.
God, the absolute chills from Rhea's performance (and Patrick's too honestly). Such an underrated scene. 10/10
I love how Howard just lets Kim unload on him, a lot of us would quickly try to deflect our behavior if we did this. Howard a really man, took it all in and even ask what he can do to make it better
If I did something like this, I would feel I deserve to be told off
Poor Howard dude. The only bad thing he ever did in the entire series was go along with Chuck's plan to secretly exclude Jimmy, and even then he could have been coerced into it.
An absolute master class in acting. The beats in this scene are perfection. I would not be surprised if she nailed this scene in one take. Also Howard plays such a robot throughout the series and it's incredible that you see a glimpse of a real person in this scene and this season.
She's got 99.1% mixture of pure class and charisma
…and her eyes are blue!
@@Gomez1915 MY BABY BLUE
@@Filipokerface truly a methamphetamine moment
@@FilipokerfaceGuess she got what she deserved.
Damn girl, you have beautiful methylamine-looking eyes
Rhea Seehorn and Bob Odenkirk NEED to win the the Emmy next year since it will be the final season
i always thought that in this scene, she's not defending jimmy as much as she is simply feeling guilty - knowing both that Chuck did kill himself and that she was partly the reason why his mental health deteriorated. her argument with Howard feels like way of fighting the burden of being indirectly tied to Chuck's suicide.
Yeah, she knew damn well that Jimmy gaslit (no pun intended) chuck about mesa verde, so she's projecting so hard here
It’s a little bit of both, PLUS the fact she had a heck of a lot of pent up aggravation toward Howard, and as his former boss, she was never able to say them to his face - until now. And boy, did she let it all go
Yeah I agree with you there.
Sorry, I completely disagree,Kim had nothing to do with Chuck’s mental health or suicide, not at all. And Jimmy gaslighting Chuck? Come on ,you forget how Chuck treated Jimmy over and over,belittle him,humiliating him,almost bullying him. Chuck killed himself because of his obsession with electricity,but also guilt,and I’m sure he had plenty.
@@judithf9297 Two wrongs don't make a right
That “Nothing.” is so fucking powerful
This series is so good that it made us forget Howard was the only honest guy, and it made us fall in love with the corrupted
I love how everyone can see that Hamlin wasn't actually the bad guy here. Jimmy and Kim dislike him, but it's repeatedly shown that he has no malice or spite in him whatsoever for all parties, and just wants to do right by his firm and his father's legacy, his mentor, and maybe do the right thing in the other situations. He's not necessarily likeable, but very much a relatable everyman that one can empathise with.
And I wrote this comment when I was at this episode, without knowledge of what came after. I think we can also agree that in hindsight, Hamlin was truly one of the most moral characters in the whole show. One wonders how he felt at 2:34, being told that he's offloading his guilt so he can 'feel okay', like he's never known anything but 'easy', while we know he's been dealing with debt, depression and a broken marriage for god knows how long.
This is one of my favorite scenes. It perfectly shows how Kim, despite appearing to be a cold and professional woman, is very sensitive to what happens with the people she loves.
I was terrified by Rhea's performance in this scene. My god gave me chills. And hands down Howard is the most genuine guy, hope be gets a happy ending.
Well well...
Yeesh
This one didn't aged well at all...
Umm...
what kinda happy ending? might be an extra service
Watching this scene will never feel the same
As much as Jimmy and Kim blame Howard i have always felt bad for him. He was a douche to be sure but he was a far more humane character than Charles. Howard tried so many times and in so many different ways to reach out and mend or mitigate the relationship issues between Jimmy and Charles and he could never do anything right. He didn't deserve the hate he got. He suffered every ounce of ire that should have been directed at the older brother and he didn't deserve that.
And I'm not even so sure that Chuck really deserves so much ire, Jimmy and Kim wanted to see Chuck as a Disney villain instead of facing the reality that, at the end of the day, Chuck was just a mentally ill old man.
@@invasorasnape there are good reasons that Chuck felt the way that he did, but he could never see anything good that Jimmy did. None of his experience justified the way he treated Jimmy. I feel for Chuck, but I believe Jimmy was driven to his end. Had he gotten a little more support from Chuck, things could have been very different. None of that opinion absolved Jimmy, BTW. He got EXACTLY what he deserved in the end. And Chuck didn't deserve his end either.
Howard was a good guy. He just happened to be collateral damage in the McGill brothers feud.
He could have done better n it was obvious
bourgeois apologism. At the end of the day, the people making this show must be told the wealthy are the good guys of the world, so they must construct a situation that paints them that way. It's the same reason Hammond, the villain of _Jurassic Park,_ the novel, had to be reinvented as one of the heroes of _Jurassic Park,_ the movie, even though he's the one who really killed all those people in both book and movie.
It's very difficult to write an argument where both sides are right and totally justified, but they somehow did it.
1:37 I love how you can hear the anger building in her voice. Amazing acting from Rhea Seehorn.
Rhea's performance here really gave me chills. Astonishing acting skills!
I honestly could not imagine someone caring about me as much as Kim cares for Jimmy
It’s beautiful
Kim is easily one of the best written characters in this series, I love her writing so much but her performance is absolutely what sells her for me
Rhea Seehorn absolutely nails her performance as Kim throughout the entire show. She's an amazing actress, can't wait to see more of her. In a cast of absolute heavyweights, she shines so brightly. Her tearing up and crying on the bus scene in one of the final episodes was incredible.
Howard is the perfect example of a guy who just can’t leave well enough alone, so much in fact that it costs him his life. All because he had to push the envelope one last time with Jimmy and Kim
and she lost another emmy to a comedic relief character im going to cry 😭
I would love a wife like Kim. What a great character
As Saul once said “His taste in women is the same as his taste in lawyers… Only the very best, with just the right amount of dirty”
@@downfromthereeefters Yeah to Walt, when he introduces Saul to Skyler.... and immediately regrets it 😂😂
@@slaughtered777 kinda applies to Kim though tbh which is the funny part. Both beautiful blondes, both get sucked in by their significant other’s dirty deeds and seem to enjoy the dirt on occasion. Kinda crazy
@@downfromthereeefters to be fair Kim enjoys it a lot more to the point where she told Jimmy she wanted to pull another Viktor with a K and Giselle Saint Claire. And Kim had every chance to leave Jimmy but she hasn’t yet at least whereas Skyler it became much more difficult with their family and Walt’s drug money paying their bills
@@downfromthereeefters Haha yess. Also agreed what Wolf said below, Kim is in it a lot more, whereas Skyler seemed more 'housewifey'... I suppose it's more to do with the severity of the crimes - one was a meth cook and the other just seems to be a harmless con-artist on the outside, who happens to charm Kim into his games.
The thing to bear in mind here is that these are the two characters that had the most interactions with the McGill brothers, separately…so it’s especially interesting when these two interact with each other.
Initially, Howard had vented his pent-up frustration he couldn’t voice with Chuck; and took it out on Kim…who had been trying to vouch for Jimmy.
It’s safe to say that since that point, there has been some friction between these two…but because they’re both FAR more straight-laced than the volatile brothers; it never boiled-over until now.
You can count the number of scenes between Howard & Kim alone on one hand…it went from professional, begrudging respect, tension, anger, indignation…and then, well…the bad one.
Lots of people saying that Howard isn’t the bad guy in this, because he wants to fix it at the end.
While he’s not evil, the only reason he offers to do so is because he’s already feeling guilty for Chuck’s death, and now he’s being confronted with the consequences of his own selfish choices. He wants it all to go away, and the only way he can think of doing so is by paying his way out of it.
Howard isn’t an evil character, no; he’s just selfish, and I believe Patrick Fabian’s performance in this scene in particular, shows that the most vividly.
Emmy voters didn't watch this episode I guess.
Her acting in this scene was amazing omg. Everyone deserves someone as loving and caring as Kim is for Saul she cares for him so much.
You know the Emmys are rigged when Rhea doesn’t win for this scene.
I remember this scene and never forgotten it. I think it’s one of the best acting performances out there, her anger permeates through you, you’re left Shocked (esp a she’s normally so calm!). I don’t understand how she hasn’t won more awards, hands down the start of the show for me.
This scene hits different now
Yeah. I really hope Karma hits Kim just like it will soon hit Jimmy/Gene, honestly
this is the level of anger i felt when BCS got snubbed for their emmy (twice)
I'm not sure our world deserves to have such incredible acting.
Meanwhile look at politicians
@@DuskLegend What a strange nonsequitur.
@@Unknown-jt1johave you paid attention to whatever country you live in’s politics? It’s not strange at all
It's so heart wrenching to see Howard get treated like that. Chuck's death was eating him inside. I can't imagine the guilt plus his collapsing marriage.
He didn't even knew it was jimmy's fault why Chuck's insurance got messed up.
Jimmy screwed it all up
I remembering watching this scene and cringing for Howard as if I was the person Kim was talking to. The woman that won the Emmy that year for best actress knows rhea see horn deserves it. That was a powerful scene only a few actresses/actors could pull off. The scene where Jimmy plants a battery in chucks pocket during chucks testimony was only slightly better. Brilliant writing meets brilliant acting meets brilliant directing.
Not to say Howard didn’t have this coming, but I think he caught a lot of the fallout for the way Chuck treated Jimmy.
He supported Chuck treating Jimmy like that
As painful as this is, in this moment they are both processing and expressing their guilt in their own ways and they will both come out on the other side better for it. Meanwhile Jimmy on BCS today hasn’t confronted himself on his part he played.
For those confused about the shenanigans in Season 6, this is one of the scenes that gives some strong context.
Rhea as Kim is perhaps the greatest performance I have seen in my life. And this is my favorite scene of hers. Her performance is divine.
this was such an insanely good scene
Rhea’s performance as Kim is certified legendary.
It's a crime against humanity Rhea hasn't got any Emmy for her performance.
This is the moment Kim shot lightning bolts from her fingertips
BCS and Br Ba have such great monologues!
Love a woman that looks out for & deeply cares about her man.
It’s a thing of beauty
Really wondering what will happen to Howard in season 6. Vince says he operates on cosmic law when it comes to character resolution, but seeing how Howard gets constantly shit on by Jimmy and now Kim intending to ruin his career, I worry for him more than ever.
0:14 Imagine if the check was literally for $5. That sounds like something Chuck would do
I don't really expect anyone to go this far with me, but for my money, this is one of the greatest scenes in the history of television
I’m with you bro, BCS is one of the best shows I’ve ever seen. I’d even put it above Breaking Bad.
how tf did she not win an emmy...
Brilliant acting by Fabian but especially powerful from Seehorn.
That one time that Kim yelled at Howard so hard it landed him in therapy.
That acting skills, insane
That was some really good acting. You really feel the scene.
Seeing now the end of Part 1 of Season 6, it so greatly illustrates for me the depth of how this all impacted Kim. Back to back, these 2 scenes play with 100% congruence.
While I understand Kim's point overall, she went a little overboard. Jimmy has been caring for Chuck for years while Rebecca has seen Chuck twice in the last 2 years. That's not a fair comparison. She's convinced herself that Howard is the bad guy, while all Howard wants to do is confide in the person supposedly closest to Chuck and apologize for his role in it. Howard is a good guy and doesn't deserve what's coming in season 6
Big time! I read it also as a slight emotional/grief ridden slip on Kim’s side, especially given that she’s usually (in earlier seasons) so pragmatic and professionally withdrawn, I’d argue that between her and Jimmy she’s the more Utilitarian of them while Jimmy’s the more generally emotionally driven. So this unleashing of rage and personal feeling is striking in her development. And as the series goes on she starts to throw her hat in the emotional ring more often, more convinced of her own conviction
and he doesn't do anything when rebecca gets all of chuck's money, when jimmy was the one who took care of him, he could have made it right, but he doesn't, because it doesn't matter to him, he basically, can't understand other people, and is all about himself, thinking how jimmy would feel about this theory of his is not a complex thing to do, but his thinking capabilities have not developed that way
@@saivamshi7091 I mean it's literally illegal to alter someone's wishes in a will post-mortem, provided nothing illegal was stated. Howard legitimately thinks he's the reason for Chuck's relapse, not knowing that it was actually Jimmy behind the scenes
what a performance here by Rhea Seehorn, just remarkable.
While Jimmy's problem is that he has a conman dark side in Saul...
Howard's problem is that hes too good of a lawyer. So he sturggles with straight up unsolvable problems.
The show never really demonstrates that Howard actually is a good lawyer though. His role at the firm mostly consists of personnel management and client relations rather than legal strategy. Howard is a natural fit as the the "face" of HHM because of his name, good looks, and charm, but he doesn't seem to be especially talented as a lawyer or even particularly intelligent in general. The only reason he made partner at HHM is because his dad founded the firm. Nepotism can take mediocre people very far in life.
The acting in this scene is so good, it feels so real. Bravo, just bravo to the both of them, especially Rhea
Howard did what he thought was right. Just because he was wrong in his judgement doesn't mean Kim and Jimmy should villainize him.
I think everybody realized that Chuck truly despised Jimmy in this scene. This will was written a long time ago and any recent amendments to it would have been thrown out due to his mental state. So this happened well before he got sick. Even back then, 5k was all he thought of Jimmy. And a letter about how haappy he is that he's working in a mail room where he belongs.
tears in my eyes every single time i hear her screaming. Like it was my fault.
Rhea Seehorn knocked it out of the park in this scene. She the way she ramps the emotion - never quite losing control, but edging so very close -- makes for a very powerful performance.
100% You basically said everything I was just about to post.
Who's here after ☠️
Kim: stay away.
Howard: ok, but please let me know if Jimmy still thinking about the job offer.
I gotta say it. i like kim because she's strong independent woman and also she's so loyal whatever jimmy put himself on problems
One of the very best scenes in Better Call Saul history. I was literally tearing up.
A lot of people feel bad for Howard, and look. In season 6, the guy gets absolutely destroyed, and that's not fair to anybody. But Howard is an arrogant, self-interested man who routinely takes out or enables petty grudges. He put impediments in Jimmy's way on Chuck's behalf, all because Chuck couldn't accept that Jimmy might be capable of change. Chuck couldn't accept that his version of a lawyer isn't the only one, and that there is, in fact, room in the world for a fairly well-adjusted Jimmy McGill in Albuquerque; after all, said Jimmy McGill probably doesn't feel desperate or angry enough to do a lot of the bad stuff he later gets up to. So, Howerd enabled Chuck's personal vendetta. He punished Kim after Kim tried to get back in his good graces by giftwrapping Sandpiper for HHM. But that still wasn't good enough. He made a point to humiliate Kim during a lunch meeting for absolutely no reason. Blamed Kim for Jimmy's commercial even though Kim honestly believed - because Jimmy misled her - that it was all aboveboard. She was punished because she believed a lie and didn't think to verify it, and that punishment continued after she brought her boss a huge client. To me, this isn't just firm business, the way Howard claims, and that's another thing that sort of seals it for me here. He is self-serving; if it benefits Howard, and Howard's interests, he'll do it. I'm not saying the man's a monster, because he absolutely isn't. But let's be real. He earned every single word of this tear-down.
This scene is awesome. Its amazing how Rhea can pass the feeling at the screen. I just can't stop watch this scene and almost cry every time.
Same I can watch it 100x because I’ve been sick of Howard for a while.
@@crazymanglocrazy6788 then your anger is misplaced. Howard isn't perfect but he truly thought he was doing the right thing, because he had no idea it was actually Jimmy who pushed Chuck over the edge and Kim doesn't know that either. Howard was guilt ridden for something that wasnt his fault and Jimmy just lets him keep thinking that because Jimmy is a coward.
She comes in with fire and brimstone and full of self righteousness that's entirely unjustifiable and dumps her anger onto him the same way Jimmy does. Howard in the end was actually a decent human being. Should he have stuck up to Chuck more when wanting jimmy to become a team nember? Absolutely, but he didnt deserve this onslaught when Jimmy is the source of all of this pain. But that's also the point. When Jimmy is in the picture people get destroyed. Plus what they do to Howard is unforgivable
Sorry for the rant, this scene just breaks my heart because Howard was shown as the antagonist a lot of the time when in reality he has the best moral compass in the show. Better than Jimmy and even Kim
I'm not even caught up and watching this scene her performance alone was enough to bring a tear to my eye. Holy fucking shit. Absolutely incredible performance.
Phenomenal acting...
I have seen this scene probably like 5 times in my life. Each time I feel goosebumps
its so amusing how horrific she looks when she snaps because she's usually so calm
i hated kim so much in this scene, so manipulative. great acting tho ofc
me too, i was raging at Kim this scene when i first saw the episode. i can't stop but coming back to admire the hell out of the actors involved here. what a tragic, but powerful scene. patrick fabian and rhea were impeccable with their performance
When I first watched this scene, I felt good. But after watching what happened next, I feel sad...