It's nice seeing luthor realise that him and Batman may some similiar qualities of introspection even if their overall philosophies don't align its like YOU SEE BATMAN IM NOT CRAZY and batman is like.....No no we are
That's why i want to see more of these two together, both came from wealth, though it depends on Lex's back story. While Bruce had his loving parents taken away, Lex had abusive parents that stayed in his life in that he either killed or kept. Both run large businesses that they use as guises for other activities, Bruce using it as a means to fund his time as Batman while Lex used it for control and helped him with his criminal activities.
Another great moment of respect is during the DCeased run, is where Lex has to confirm that batman is dead before he accepts the title as world's smartest man.
@@mandalorianhunter1 Well, actually, Lex Luthor is a weird kind of villain... What makes him really a villain is his narcissism. He feels as if he was the only one who can fix all the wrongs in the world. Superman for him is a menace because of two reasons, one of which he's kind of right: Superman COULD be a threat. And Superman is spoiling the world by fixing their issues, making them sit and relax instead of taking action. And funny enough, Superman agrees with both statements. What makes here Luthor different, is the way he approach things. He's the kind of guy who thinks that the best way to solve an issue is by eradicating the issue, unless, this problem can't be completely eradicated, or there's something bigger going on, and then his trick is to use one against the other. Literally, the guy is kind of this "Blackguard" kind of vibe, Lawful-Evil. Luthor aims for the greater good, but only under his hands, with methods that are really questionable. So, yeah, they're not really that different. They just have different approaches to the same problem. Even the narcissism part. Many times you see Batman "It has to be ME!".
@@robertoj.9509 Actually just like The Joker, Lex goes through different changes. He started off as someone just robbing banks, to a corrupt business man to what we have now. He despises what Kryptonians are while wanting to be one. He wants to be above everyone, which is why he can't stand anyone being better or even his equal.
@@robertoj.9509 Luthor is basically DC's doctor doom, except he leads more into machiavellian stylings compared with doom who.. Actually turns into a benevolent ruler and the hope for humanity if granted his goals. I think the only Luthor that had a chance at being 'the good guy' is the Luthor who took superman's powers, realized how cosmically insignificant humanity and the planet earth is, and had the epiphany that 'we are all that we have'. That, specific Luthor.. if given the chance to rehabilitate, will become a hero. But a Luthor that remains unhumbled, a Luthor who never has that dawn of realization.. is just a narcissist who will have it his way, or no way.
Completely slept on story (the start was rough it was just BAM justice league is captured but it was still top tier) This is the story the suicide squad should have followed instead of having dudes with guns who all play the same kill everyone's favorite heroes. A roster of black adam, captain cold, sinestro, lex luthor, and Batman would have been top tier amd no one would have complained about killing the crime syndicate If you liked forever evil you would probably also like "Justice" with art by Alex Ross
The moment where Dick tells Bruce that he's not abandoning him, just heartwarming. They may not be biologically related, but Bruce really is Dick's father.
And we're still waiting for Batman to figure out how to do so much TBI to a villain, they can't even plan out a pair of chopsticks, much less a world takeover.
If it wasn't for losing alfred and a few other thigns before. Batman would've thought and done the heart stop disable restart method. as he and others have literally done before
If I had to guess what Luthor actually did, he likely stopped his breathing to a point by which his heart seemingly stops beating. Many soldiers back during Vietnam often learned how to breath only enough to barely keep themselves alive. It would cause their heart to stop enough to where you nor anything else outside of you would be able to tell if you were alive. That, or the reason he chose to do this outside of that being a possibility is that Batman could at least still resuscitate him.
Just think if the joker would have killed Dick Grayson instead of Jason Todd I doubt Batman with a hesitated to kill him he wouldn't have just beat him until he was in a full body cast because Dick Grayson was the only one with his words to make Batman contemplate and think about an even take care of one of the criminals he beat up 💯😭😭😭
@@marcelbyrd7745 yeah it happens in the comics, although they might have retconned it. it's not even the only time he's talked out of killing joker Gordon does it all the time even after the killing joke
@Davetonitheone wow I had no idea I thought Batman just always inspired him because of his own rule on killing people this goes to show that the comic books are totally different from the Animated Series all of them💯😅😅😅
Its fan bias,he loves Damian more. Not only cause he is his actual son but because he needs it more,Dick had a healthy relationship with his parents. He also knows he is most likely the next Batman
6:29 I have a hard enough time accepting the real Captain Marvel as the hero "Shazam". I don't blame you for being unable to pronounce the name backwards.
this is one of the many reasons why the DC Comics Continuity universe is somewhat overrated in my opinion. Especially considering the heroes seem to miss the big threat of waller's masterplanning right under their noses.
This was such a lame bait and switch "death." Do you think this was the first time Dick Grayson's heart had been stopped for a minute? That's just a rough Saturday night for a member of the Bat Family. Nobody should count that as a character death.
@@nmr7203 it isn''t, he doesn't like legacy character like Nightwing and Wally West. This is not even the first and last time he tried to get rid of Nightwing.
@@nmr7203 It isn't. His name was Dan DiDio. Openly said he didn't like the very concept of legacy characters, that certain characters straight up could not age, & he was trying to simplify things to make it easy for adaptation. When you realize that guy was running DC since around 2010, the absolute dumpsterfire that DC has turned into starts to make just a little bit more sense.
@@IceCold_Carterit's shitty writing and paints superman wrong while also giving Joker absolute plot powers, when joker goes to other cities he gets thrown out this is canon.
Not sure what you're on about, but if you really think a VILLIAN will not eventually go to another city and mess with another hero then you are crazy and know nothing about writing. They aren't STUCK in their origin city smh@@DHell-n8i
Read comics goofy there are plenty of times superman has dealt with Batman villains and lex was planning to kill nightwing you wanted Batman to just watch
It’s pretty ironic that when Batman loses his shit about someone getting killed his solution is to kill or really almost kill the killer like bro that’s pretty hypocritical haha😂
Hell no! He gets mad at Superman for getting emotional when Darkseid gets involved (his own personal arch nemesis) yet they have Batman lose his shit and kill Lex? I'm done with these Batman stories. The only reason I read an issue is for Alfred, Dick and currently Damian just because of Jon, Clark and Alfred again. Batman is so far removed. I hate his love interest crap, tired of his never ending overpower and hypocrisy that never is a hot topic. People just love his dark quotes that go back to square one.
4:36
Batman's dialouge: "LUTHOR, YOU HURT HIM AND I WILL KILL YOU!"
Batman's facial expression: "Hmmmm, I wonder what I should get for brunch..."
Imagine this said in Kevin Conroy's voice, and everything will fall onto its place.
@@anton.chigrinetc.96 Lol, true.
“You aren’t Bruce, and you never have.” Seeing nightwing tell Batman that when Batman feels he’s abandoning him, that shit hits hard in the chest guts
“If Batman threatens to kill you, you stop what you are doing instantly”
"If you wouldn't kill the Joker, you sure as shit won't kill me. Don't make empty threats, Batman."
It's nice seeing luthor realise that him and Batman may some similiar qualities of introspection even if their overall philosophies don't align
its like YOU SEE BATMAN IM NOT CRAZY and batman is like.....No no we are
That's why i want to see more of these two together, both came from wealth, though it depends on Lex's back story.
While Bruce had his loving parents taken away, Lex had abusive parents that stayed in his life in that he either killed or kept.
Both run large businesses that they use as guises for other activities, Bruce using it as a means to fund his time as Batman while Lex used it for control and helped him with his criminal activities.
Another great moment of respect is during the DCeased run, is where Lex has to confirm that batman is dead before he accepts the title as world's smartest man.
@@mandalorianhunter1 Well, actually, Lex Luthor is a weird kind of villain... What makes him really a villain is his narcissism. He feels as if he was the only one who can fix all the wrongs in the world. Superman for him is a menace because of two reasons, one of which he's kind of right: Superman COULD be a threat. And Superman is spoiling the world by fixing their issues, making them sit and relax instead of taking action. And funny enough, Superman agrees with both statements.
What makes here Luthor different, is the way he approach things. He's the kind of guy who thinks that the best way to solve an issue is by eradicating the issue, unless, this problem can't be completely eradicated, or there's something bigger going on, and then his trick is to use one against the other.
Literally, the guy is kind of this "Blackguard" kind of vibe, Lawful-Evil. Luthor aims for the greater good, but only under his hands, with methods that are really questionable.
So, yeah, they're not really that different. They just have different approaches to the same problem. Even the narcissism part. Many times you see Batman "It has to be ME!".
@@robertoj.9509 Actually just like The Joker, Lex goes through different changes. He started off as someone just robbing banks, to a corrupt business man to what we have now.
He despises what Kryptonians are while wanting to be one. He wants to be above everyone, which is why he can't stand anyone being better or even his equal.
@@robertoj.9509 Luthor is basically DC's doctor doom, except he leads more into machiavellian stylings compared with doom who.. Actually turns into a benevolent ruler and the hope for humanity if granted his goals.
I think the only Luthor that had a chance at being 'the good guy' is the Luthor who took superman's powers, realized how cosmically insignificant humanity and the planet earth is, and had the epiphany that 'we are all that we have'.
That, specific Luthor.. if given the chance to rehabilitate, will become a hero. But a Luthor that remains unhumbled, a Luthor who never has that dawn of realization.. is just a narcissist who will have it his way, or no way.
Forever Evil was one of the best storylines DC has put out in ages.
Completely slept on story (the start was rough it was just BAM justice league is captured but it was still top tier)
This is the story the suicide squad should have followed instead of having dudes with guns who all play the same kill everyone's favorite heroes.
A roster of black adam, captain cold, sinestro, lex luthor, and Batman would have been top tier amd no one would have complained about killing the crime syndicate
If you liked forever evil you would probably also like "Justice" with art by Alex Ross
I really want to see more battles between Lex and Batman, their dynamic is very interesting.
Batman vs Superman but Superman is evil
@@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286 You mean that boring troupe of Superman being Evil and is supposed to win because he doesn't have any powers?
No, i'm saying Lex Luthor is evil Superman@@mandalorianhunter1
@@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286 ummm which universe are you referring to?
The main one@@mandalorianhunter1
6:27 just realized it’s Shazam back words Mazahs
despite all that, I really hope waller gets some sense into her massive self-righteous ego.
The moment where Dick tells Bruce that he's not abandoning him, just heartwarming. They may not be biologically related, but Bruce really is Dick's father.
Since no ones addressing the elephant in the room Batman has taught the robins to stop their own heart for a period of time😐
Was wondering when someone was gonna point that out lol
Blue kryptonite is bizzaro’s weakness though
This comic takes place during the new 52, where Bizarro was just a clone of Superman.
Bizarro IS a clone of Superman@@PrincessMatrix
And we're still waiting for Batman to figure out how to do so much TBI to a villain, they can't even plan out a pair of chopsticks, much less a world takeover.
Sometimes I feel like when Superman and lex are fighting Batman’s just in the background like “he’s got a point…” 😂
Thanks friend. Keep up the good work
7:41 I knew that red hair was Luthor
0:36 Bye bye 🤫🧏♂️
If it wasn't for losing alfred and a few other thigns before. Batman would've thought and done the heart stop disable restart method.
as he and others have literally done before
If I had to guess what Luthor actually did, he likely stopped his breathing to a point by which his heart seemingly stops beating. Many soldiers back during Vietnam often learned how to breath only enough to barely keep themselves alive. It would cause their heart to stop enough to where you nor anything else outside of you would be able to tell if you were alive. That, or the reason he chose to do this outside of that being a possibility is that Batman could at least still resuscitate him.
i mean thats a cop out with that many wires in there.
Batman should have thought about slowing his heart and then restarting it if it goes to far
6:26 Dawg. Mazahs is Shazam backwards...
Just think if the joker would have killed Dick Grayson instead of Jason Todd I doubt Batman with a hesitated to kill him he wouldn't have just beat him until he was in a full body cast because Dick Grayson was the only one with his words to make Batman contemplate and think about an even take care of one of the criminals he beat up 💯😭😭😭
Batman actually tried to kill him after Jason but but superman was like no.
@@Davetonitheone what this must have happened in the comics because it didn't happen in the animated movie with Jason Todd💯🤔🤔🤔🤔
@@marcelbyrd7745 yeah it happens in the comics, although they might have retconned it. it's not even the only time he's talked out of killing joker Gordon does it all the time even after the killing joke
@Davetonitheone wow I had no idea I thought Batman just always inspired him because of his own rule on killing people this goes to show that the comic books are totally different from the Animated Series all of them💯😅😅😅
if batman says he will kill you hes talking about his first adopted son SO yeah
Technically, he wasn't officially adopted until after Tim, but I get what you're saying.
Its fan bias,he loves Damian more.
Not only cause he is his actual son but because he needs it more,Dick had a healthy relationship with his parents.
He also knows he is most likely the next Batman
he learned how to be a dad from the first 3 boys he took in @@newhybrid101
@@newhybrid101bro what?
If you don't destroy your evil it will consume you
Is this New 52? This was cannon?
Nice video bro
6:29 I have a hard enough time accepting the real Captain Marvel as the hero "Shazam". I don't blame you for being unable to pronounce the name backwards.
My brain read it as "sex luthor" for some reason
WHERE'S THE BAT FAMILY...???.. I'M COMING CRIMINALS...!!!
No, he don't kill it,
Lex luthor become turn hero in another universe in DC.
I thought when batman got tazed at 0:04 he said the hard -r
Which collection is this from? Justice league or Batman?
this is one of the many reasons why the DC Comics Continuity universe is somewhat overrated in my opinion. Especially considering the heroes seem to miss the big threat of waller's masterplanning right under their noses.
Not really
Mate it's comic books continuity doesn't matter writers just do whatever they want at this point
It's "Shazam" spelled backwards "Mazahs"
Forever evil was awesome
that's why you wear a fkn helmet, lex
I thought bizarro was only weak to blue kryptonite
6:27 he just said Shazam backwards
The Batman in my Ai videos would have ended Luthor lol
DC Comics is really going down a complicated and poorly portraying of Super-heroes path.
This happened years ago and the story was called forever evil.
Why would he need a speedsters power he's already got the power of Hermes because you know Shazam
What issue of the comic?
Forever evil 6 and 7
Why is Batman beating up Mr. Clean? What did Mr. Clean do?
Wasn’t Alexander Luthor a hero?
Yes, he is.
That's inaccurate. Kryptonite strengthens Bizzaro instead of weakens him.
I actually really enjoyed the New 52 stuff, not too sure why it’s disliked as much as it is.
Dark Supergirl clap this.
I also hate bald men. Good on Batman, love that guy :)
This was such a lame bait and switch "death." Do you think this was the first time Dick Grayson's heart had been stopped for a minute? That's just a rough Saturday night for a member of the Bat Family. Nobody should count that as a character death.
No one does. But apparently the guy in charge at the time hated Nightwing and wanted to kill him off here but Nightwing's popularity prevented that.
@huntertezz That sounds completely made up.
@@nmr7203 it isn''t, he doesn't like legacy character like Nightwing and Wally West.
This is not even the first and last time he tried to get rid of Nightwing.
@@nmr7203 It isn't. His name was Dan DiDio. Openly said he didn't like the very concept of legacy characters, that certain characters straight up could not age, & he was trying to simplify things to make it easy for adaptation. When you realize that guy was running DC since around 2010, the absolute dumpsterfire that DC has turned into starts to make just a little bit more sense.
SHAZAM MAZAHS!
I hate when batman gets his lick as lex. Lex is supermans villain you dont see clark messing with the joker.
Superman kills Joker in injustice & has messed with Joker in other comics
Its crossover event and there is nothing writing with a hero fighting another hero's villains.
@@IceCold_Carterit's shitty writing and paints superman wrong while also giving Joker absolute plot powers, when joker goes to other cities he gets thrown out this is canon.
Not sure what you're on about, but if you really think a VILLIAN will not eventually go to another city and mess with another hero then you are crazy and know nothing about writing. They aren't STUCK in their origin city smh@@DHell-n8i
Read comics goofy there are plenty of times superman has dealt with Batman villains and lex was planning to kill nightwing you wanted Batman to just watch
Lmao batman is so mad about murder he almost murders someone. What great writing everyone take the day off
Its his son. It makes sense that seeing his son die would push him to almost kill someone. He almost did the same thing when Damian died.
“father has emotional reaction after watching his son get killed, terrible writing”
Local man learns what human emotions are. News at 11.
I mean, id be pretty pissed too if they killed my son so his reaction is understandable
It’s pretty ironic that when Batman loses his shit about someone getting killed his solution is to kill or really almost kill the killer like bro that’s pretty hypocritical haha😂
Godddamnnn 😯
Hell no! He gets mad at Superman for getting emotional when Darkseid gets involved (his own personal arch nemesis) yet they have Batman lose his shit and kill Lex? I'm done with these Batman stories. The only reason I read an issue is for Alfred, Dick and currently Damian just because of Jon, Clark and Alfred again. Batman is so far removed. I hate his love interest crap, tired of his never ending overpower and hypocrisy that never is a hot topic. People just love his dark quotes that go back to square one.