The problem is how they clumsily handled afterward, because it's not hard to believe that someone would be hateful enough to want to weaponize such a disease.
It is interesting to me how much we freak out when villains actually embody and pursue true evil. I know I often don't realize how much of a sanitized villain I expect in comics and movies, etc. A true villain is going to be cruel, subtle, manipulative, hidden, psychological, and targeting the vulnerable. That's genuine evil.
@vipe650r Exactly! It's like the whole Batman/Bruce Wayne thing... in the real world, Wayne would be using his vast wealth and resources to make the city better, purge corrupt police, end homelessness, etc. Basically, make petty crime pointless in Gotham. And on the villain side, in the real world, after his first murder spree, "Joker" would be locked away _permanently_ or maybe even executed by law enforcement.
i mean, if it was just the racism OR AIDS, it would have been bad... but not the worst. can't do rascism and AIDS in one comic book. that's overly ambitious. hat on a hat here, just pick one... or neither lol
If we’re talking concepts then I’d argue Black/Brown Bomber from DC was worse as he was just a strait up racist white guy who had the power to turn black and his “costume” was pretty much a basketball uniform
@KoobanHooves thankfully they never made an actual comic of it as the editors said it would be offensive to pretty much everybody but there is a neat Easter egg with him in a JLA run I think
They'll be fine... I mean it's DC, they can find a magical healer to cure them of AIDS. Perhaps their teammate that looks like the Swamp -Thing is capable of that.
This guy is just a discount vampire, so while you might find it offensive it actually makes sense in a way. And also not really. The HIV is a very fragile virus, so to imagine that it would come into contact with this guy's immune system before being efficiently digested by whatever system he's got in place to derive nourishment from blood is a little bit stupid. Then again when this comic was released they had just realized that it's transmitted by bodily fluids, before that some people were treating it as if it was airborne.
The same series that introduced Snowflame the villain powered by cocaine and Estrano, the gay drag version of Dr Strange and the group mission was to have sex around to bring the next generation of evolution: millennials and gen Z. An unforgettable classic by Steve Englehart addressing modern themes of the time in the worst possible ways.
Not sure why you think this is the MOST offensive comic ever. Guess you haven’t diversified your reading material outside of the mainstream/better know comics (marvel, dc, even dark horse is well known now) but yes, in the very bland, very regurgitated world of DC and Marvel this is up there in offensiveness.
@@TyCollage Didn’t mean to be disrespectful. Just stating that, to me it seems it’s either as you said “shameless clickbait” or the man just hasn’t read enough different comics to see more offensive material. No deeper meaning man 😆
@@TyCollage 100% agree. A little “side note” or disclaimer would garner a little more respect for his content. I still find myself falling for clickbait titles though, even when I know they’re clickbait 😆
Floro is a reference to The Green Man myth. There were some good ideas in there but executed poorly. Shows both how far weve come and how far we have yet to go
Hey Rob, was wondering if you could do a video maybe explaining all the characters we know that are/have been stuck in the source wall? I cant seem to find anything that explains them all.
And then the Barber Shop Quartet from Family Guy shows up and sings, "You got the AIDS, you got the AIDS......not HIV but FULL BLOWN AIDS!!!!!!!!!! (You got the AIDS)!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm not sure he will. He hates Alpha Flight and has said many times how much they suck so you might want to ask another CC,shame,I'd like to see a video on them, too.
I'm horrible since I laughed at the end. I don't know why, but the fact that the vampire gave aids to the member of the new guardians is hilarious for how unexpected it was.
dude, you said my jaw would hit the floor and I was like "Bring it, Rob" all 1990's the Rock style. I absolutely did not expect it to really happen. Omfg lmfao wow
1:50 I do not agree with him in the slightest, but I can always appreciate the honesty and the laugh that it brings me from the subhuman point of view. These poor lesser evolved creatures are hilarious.
Rob you gotta cover the other comics now. No way you can bring up this monstrosity without showing us the wonderful gift it gave us known as Snow Flame.
1:20 - 1:45 Objectively, he's not wrong. The quality of life in South Africa, Rhodesia, Haiti, etc went WAY down when Whites lost power. The truth matters, feeling aside.
Alright. Now I want to know all about Engelhart. I just did a cursory look see, but I want to hear this from your perspective, and as you used to say, your *sexy voice*. This rankled me in a new and different way. But it makes me curious about the writer, and the rest of the team at DC that would have thought this was ok. It bothers me a lot. Thanks Rob, for all that you do.
my jaw did not hit the floor kind of expected it to be that or hepatitis. I know the 80s were a big how do you do with aids. Eclectically with Ryan white. I am kind of curious if you will cover the next issue in the series. In all seriousness do they get tested or do the writers just skip over that part? keep up the great work rob.
I've been referred to as a white, there's nothing offensive about it unless you're just too sensitive to be around people and need to be pampered. People need to toughen up, everybody's not going to walk on broken glass because your feelings get hurt easily.
You glossed over some of the context that makes this even worse. Alongside Jet, Extrano, the first openly gay hero in DC, was also infected and later dies from AIDS. To say it again, during the height of the AIDS epidemic they chose to infect and kill off characters from some of the most at risk demographics.
Someone please explain to me where the offense is!? because I don't see how a villain passing diseases on to superheroes could be viewed as offensive, if anything it just shows how depraved and evil he was that he was willing to pass on his sickness to others just so they could suffer like he suffered and the story itself could be viewed as no more than a cautionary tale of the dangers of being sexual with someone you don't know and just had a one night stand with or some doctor or nurse not doing their job in making sure your not stuck with a dirty needle! Lol😳🙄😉💯👍
Idk this isnt too bad honestly. Its pretty crazy when you have an open mind about how stories can dive head first into their imagination. A story like this every once in a while would be great for laughs and "wtf" factor
Obviously i cant say anuthing jere since I'm a white man but hiw is this offensive? The villain was great sinceyhey actually made him a villian the gave the actual evil attributes that villian should have. The aids thing at the end was kinda smart since it gave an actual scientific way that Hemo Goblin was able to kill.
I think it might just be that the three heroes that fought him all became HIV positive. Honestly, if we wanted to discuss things that are offensive, Daredevil 110 -112 regarding the origin of the Mandrill and Nekra. A comic that tried to discuss race that inadvertently became racist.
@@twk4977 Basically, Shanna the She-Devil, Daredevil and Black Widow team up to take down Mandril and Nekra. The Mandrill is using his enslaved women to incite hatred by doing stuff like using a laser to carve a certain German dictator into Mt Rushmore so Nekra’s strength can grow through Hatred. And the fact that this was the comic used to discuss race… disturbs me. It also reveals their origin; a black cleaning lady and a white nuclear scientist were caught in a radiation leak and seemed fine. When the woman gave birth, she and her black husband brought Nekra, a vampiric looking, bleached white skinned girl into the world. Meanwhile, the Mandrill was born to the white family of the nuclear scientist with black skin and covered in hair… eventually mutating his face into that of a mandrill. His parents named him Jerome. And the fact that he compares himself to a black person when he looks like that and his powers are enslaving women? Yikes.
I had an inkling of what the second sickness was...and yet I still couldn't help but laugh 😂 I'm going to help but holy shit. This comic is definitely wild.
They’re certain comic book story arcs and comics in general that really hit us in all of the right ways and all of the worst ways. This……………just hit us in all of the most HORRIBLE WAYS here, people!
Linkara touched on this years back. This comic is just one big creative experiment that went nowhere. When you get the chance, read the comic that introduced Snowflame, a villain whose superpowers run on cocaine! And he reappears years later in a catwoman comic.
This was so offensive, that Rob didn't have time to insult Black Bolt
It's in the patrion cut
Or Khamala Khan
Lol!!!
Damn the Inhumans stay catching strays
This is too funny and I like me some Black Bolt and Inhumans!!!
The problem is how they clumsily handled afterward, because it's not hard to believe that someone would be hateful enough to want to weaponize such a disease.
California is a super villain too, what he did wouldn't even be considered a crime there.
@@MIKE_THE_BRUMMIE You're funny
Considering they not only infected the first openly gay DC hero with HIV but also had him die from AIDS, "clumsy" is a bit of an understatement.
but they even handle the weaponizing it wrong cause to my understanding you can't pass AIDS around through bite
@@lowman5893wait what
"Man, everybody got AIDS, and shit."
From Showgirls! Excellent!
I laughed WAY too hard at this upon remembering that line.
OMG 😂😂😂😂
On the bright side it brought us the best villain ever.
SNOWFLAME
Snowflame should be mainstream. He burns with white hot ecstasy.
YESSSS 😂
The god of cocaine
I first saw this from another TH-cam channel
@@stefangreen3770 no no. Cocaine is his god and he is the human instrument of its will.
Honestly though, in a world with supervillains, one of them weaponizing AIDS makes sense.
It is interesting to me how much we freak out when villains actually embody and pursue true evil. I know I often don't realize how much of a sanitized villain I expect in comics and movies, etc. A true villain is going to be cruel, subtle, manipulative, hidden, psychological, and targeting the vulnerable. That's genuine evil.
@vipe650r Exactly! It's like the whole Batman/Bruce Wayne thing... in the real world, Wayne would be using his vast wealth and resources to make the city better, purge corrupt police, end homelessness, etc. Basically, make petty crime pointless in Gotham. And on the villain side, in the real world, after his first murder spree, "Joker" would be locked away _permanently_ or maybe even executed by law enforcement.
i mean, if it was just the racism OR AIDS, it would have been bad... but not the worst.
can't do rascism and AIDS in one comic book. that's overly ambitious. hat on a hat here, just pick one... or neither lol
@@OmniBuiAIDS used to be called "Triple H." The third H stood for Haitians. AIDS *_and_* racism, but in real life!
If we’re talking concepts then I’d argue Black/Brown Bomber from DC was worse as he was just a strait
up racist white guy who had the power to turn black and his “costume” was pretty much a basketball uniform
😅😅😅😅
White people cant play basketball? Luca?
@KoobanHooves thankfully they never made an actual comic of it as the editors said it would be offensive to pretty much everybody but there is a neat Easter egg with him in a JLA run I think
That's awesome! lol
That's hilarious 😂
ok but when snowflame,the cocaine powered super villian showed up it redeemed the new guardians for me
Finally somebody who watches huggbees
Oh this is gonna be a calm and civilized comment section
Right 😂. Here we go 🍿.
😂
Grab your popcorn kids!
Real talk bro, scrolling down, thinking the same. Lol, keep the peace I guess.
@@sapphirewolf713 All right then 🍿🍿
5:44 God forgive me for laughing 😂😭
no need. its FUNNY AF
Tough time in 1988
😭😭😭😭😭 I laughed for a full minute.
AAAAAAIIIIIIDDDDSSSSSS
😅😅😅😅😅
0:24
You clearly never heard of Minoriteam.
😂 we don't talk about that
Or the Special Awesome Squad from Wonder Showzen 😳 😂
They're all dead now
Oh no! Pai Gow! Dr. Wang's only weakness!
Is a sad story . I dont think is ofencive is a really sad story . Now please !!!!!make a video of what happend with the team !!!
It’s 2024 and hearing this comic the first time, I’m not offended or surprised this was a thing.
Would've been a bit more shocking if the thumbnail wasn't the whole twist.
Title: “Most offensive comic ever”
Me & the Boys: “Our time has come”
Nah rob you gotta post a part 2!
They'll be fine... I mean it's DC, they can find a magical healer to cure them of AIDS. Perhaps their teammate that looks like the Swamp -Thing is capable of that.
At least Marvel kept characters deceased after they died from HIV/AIDS.
"everyone's got aids! aids aids aids aids aids!" lol
This is honestly way tamer than I thought it would be
This plot ending is like a solid jj video
"Watch out superteam, or ill give you a1ds! Nyahahahaa!"
This guy is just a discount vampire, so while you might find it offensive it actually makes sense in a way. And also not really.
The HIV is a very fragile virus, so to imagine that it would come into contact with this guy's immune system before being efficiently digested by whatever system he's got in place to derive nourishment from blood is a little bit stupid. Then again when this comic was released they had just realized that it's transmitted by bodily fluids, before that some people were treating it as if it was airborne.
He-She is also a contender for most offensive comics, but this one is bonkers .
I think I've seen some Rule 34 of that one...
Yo... that ending 😂😂😢 and just the way he slowly built up to it to😂 i miss the rundown!
The artstyle tho.... fire
you mean... snowfire?
I’m much more offended by One More Day and Sins Past.
Huh?!?!
@@collinessa spiderman comic
I know but that was offensive to you?!?! I'm thinking along the lines of Nightwing being raped!
Thanks for introducing me to world of comics. Your coverage of Green Lantern and Hulk run made me fall in love with comics.
The comic says continued next month. I'm ready for the next part.
The same series that introduced Snowflame the villain powered by cocaine and Estrano, the gay drag version of Dr Strange and the group mission was to have sex around to bring the next generation of evolution: millennials and gen Z.
An unforgettable classic by Steve Englehart addressing modern themes of the time in the worst possible ways.
You’re right. That was quite a twist
Not sure why you think this is the MOST offensive comic ever. Guess you haven’t diversified your reading material outside of the mainstream/better know comics (marvel, dc, even dark horse is well known now) but yes, in the very bland, very regurgitated world of DC and Marvel this is up there in offensiveness.
@@TyCollage Didn’t mean to be disrespectful. Just stating that, to me it seems it’s either as you said “shameless clickbait” or the man just hasn’t read enough different comics to see more offensive material. No deeper meaning man 😆
I think it’s better than assuming he’s just dumb. Lack of knowledge doesn’t make him dumb, but not acknowledging your lack of knowledge does.
@@TyCollage 100% agree. A little “side note” or disclaimer would garner a little more respect for his content. I still find myself falling for clickbait titles though, even when I know they’re clickbait 😆
Floro is a reference to The Green Man myth. There were some good ideas in there but executed poorly. Shows both how far weve come and how far we have yet to go
That thumbnail was gas 🤣🤣🤣🤣. I was like “c’mon man” you’ve gotta be kapping 😅
Hey Rob, was wondering if you could do a video maybe explaining all the characters we know that are/have been stuck in the source wall? I cant seem to find anything that explains them all.
And then the Barber Shop Quartet from Family Guy shows up and sings, "You got the AIDS, you got the AIDS......not HIV but FULL BLOWN AIDS!!!!!!!!!! (You got the AIDS)!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂As soon as I saw the thumbnail...
The New Guardians pretty much showed us what happens when you try to do "A Thing" for all the wrong reasons.
Hey Rob, can you please do a video on Alpha Flight? You know they’re Canada’s premier superhero team, right? Thank you so much brother Rob! 🇨🇦
I'm not sure he will. He hates Alpha Flight and has said many times how much they suck so you might want to ask another CC,shame,I'd like to see a video on them, too.
That Tom guy is Tom Kalmaku, a supporting character from Green Lantern.
My jaw would have totally hit the floor.....expect that dramatic reveal is completely spoiled by your thumbnail.
I'm horrible since I laughed at the end. I don't know why, but the fact that the vampire gave aids to the member of the new guardians is hilarious for how unexpected it was.
It’s not really even bad not really that offensive at all
This came out during the AIDs epidemic.
@@haydennoble9253 soooooo
@@haydennoble9253 And that makes it offensive how ...
@@mustang8206 only if your a pussy will this offend you so like half of the USA then lol
@@haydennoble9253 So?
dude, you said my jaw would hit the floor and I was like "Bring it, Rob" all 1990's the Rock style. I absolutely did not expect it to really happen. Omfg lmfao wow
Offensive? What Luke Cage did to Jessica Jones' butt was offensive! This... Kinda to be expected.
Every straight man in the world would like to do something to Jessica Jones butt!
1:50 I do not agree with him in the slightest, but I can always appreciate the honesty and the laugh that it brings me from the subhuman point of view. These poor lesser evolved creatures are hilarious.
Who exactly are you referring to as "subhumans"? Seriously asking.
@@markjackson3531 Anyone using color coding for status. Racists. Folks who think others beneath them based on color.
@@Marx1684What a good boy you are, I bet all of twitter & america are clapping for you after that speech 👏😢
@@Marx1684 So, Black people who look down on Whites are, according to your definition, "subhumans"?
@@Marx1684White supremacy? Cliche
Rob you gotta cover the other comics now. No way you can bring up this monstrosity without showing us the wonderful gift it gave us known as Snow Flame.
Yesss please
Imma need you to cover Lois Lane turning black cause damn
1:20 - 1:45 Objectively, he's not wrong. The quality of life in South Africa, Rhodesia, Haiti, etc went WAY down when Whites lost power. The truth matters, feeling aside.
@@TheCalculator-lu2de I'm a grown man i have ONE account. Why dont you use facts to disprove my post? oh that's right, you CAN'T because it's TRUE!
Tough Time, 1988...
It took me way too long to get that "Haemo-goblin" is a play on "Haemoglobin"
I am intrigued, please finish the story Mister Rob!
Editor needs to dial down reverb just a little bit its kind of distracting
So,you've seen the modern landscape: that's like the only reason to bar entry - you've gone "ade's"...
Alright. Now I want to know all about Engelhart. I just did a cursory look see, but I want to hear this from your perspective, and as you used to say, your *sexy voice*.
This rankled me in a new and different way. But it makes me curious about the writer, and the rest of the team at DC that would have thought this was ok. It bothers me a lot.
Thanks Rob, for all that you do.
I'm ready to be offended.
AIDS! That’s… that’s the joke
Im offended he was the villain, where was the lie?😂
Offend me daddy
@@chiquita683 Hemoglobin's master is absolutely right, especially these days.
Aren’t we all?
There's a movie called Kids that ends almost just like this, smh. Minus the captivity.
This was one of the best group of characters ever in DC, they were really ahead of their time and DC just ruined them.
Honestly I tried to watch the Gygax interview video but he's just a rough interview to watch for some reason.
In one hand, The New Guardians is very offensive in the other hand, they created the most awesome character in DC, Snowflame.
YES!!! FEAR THE POWA OF COCAINE GOD!!! 🤪
@KoobanHoovesnow if they could just stop killing him on each appearance
This comic has the same energy as hulk screaming MINORITIES in that one skit
1:36 well this one aged...well considering what's happening to south africa in the last few years
my jaw did not hit the floor kind of expected it to be that or hepatitis. I know the 80s were a big how do you do with aids. Eclectically with Ryan white. I am kind of curious if you will cover the next issue in the series. In all seriousness do they get tested or do the writers just skip over that part? keep up the great work rob.
Less offensive and more stupid. But stupid can be offensive.
Better than actual comics right now.😂
I mean it came out during the AIDS epidemic.
Look at Haiti and South Africa. 2 countries currently built on DEI philosophy.
💢 How dare you! DiVeRsiTy iS oUr STreNgTh!!!
@KoobanHooves No need to describe yourself like that.
@KoobanHooves The irony keeps ironing
@KoobanHooves And now you're all owned by the six-star pointed tribe PDFs who run the world in their little islands touching 👶s.
@KoobanHooves Is this projection? What makes you think that's my boy? 😂
I've been referred to as a white, there's nothing offensive about it unless you're just too sensitive to be around people and need to be pampered. People need to toughen up, everybody's not going to walk on broken glass because your feelings get hurt easily.
Daaaamn🤦🏾♂️im in my office listening to this and i swear the 5:40 mark caught me off guard . I just Spit my coffee every where
You really need to cover Marshal Law
My favourite of all time
You glossed over some of the context that makes this even worse. Alongside Jet, Extrano, the first openly gay hero in DC, was also infected and later dies from AIDS. To say it again, during the height of the AIDS epidemic they chose to infect and kill off characters from some of the most at risk demographics.
Welp, time to go scour the back issues bins to find this comic!
Someone please explain to me where the offense is!? because I don't see how a villain passing diseases on to superheroes could be viewed as offensive, if anything it just shows how depraved and evil he was that he was willing to pass on his sickness to others just so they could suffer like he suffered and the story itself could be viewed as no more than a cautionary tale of the dangers of being sexual with someone you don't know and just had a one night stand with or some doctor or nurse not doing their job in making sure your not stuck with a dirty needle! Lol😳🙄😉💯👍
Rob! You know its offensive when the musoc completely cuts off when the ending is revealed
We need more so-bad-it's-good comics like this now a days.
I accidentally found this villain after doing a class assignment about hemoglobin
Wasn’t these folks used in that short DC TV show called “Powerless?”
Idk this isnt too bad honestly. Its pretty crazy when you have an open mind about how stories can dive head first into their imagination. A story like this every once in a while would be great for laughs and "wtf" factor
0:22 seconds in I already knew were it was going lmfaoo 😭
My nigga my jaw was indeed on the fucking ground. Like how the fuck?????? 😭😭😭 WHAT????
You know what that don’t go anywhere I thought it was what the fuck man
so.... he had super aids? super aids turns you into a vampiric monster? man DC has some wild lore.
that ending was funny. what a plot twist hahahaha
I keyed myself up for this to be so offensive that the ending was a letdown.
Yea we get it, you like trump
@@NexxtTimeDontMiss Not really sure how you came to that conclusion. I'm just going to assume you have brain damage.
I remember a neighbor gave me this issue and. I read like wtf
I was super worried his power was gonna be the ability to 'vampirically' infect someone and change their skin color
You need to cover the 2nd issue of The New Guardians....
Cause of SNOWFLAME!
Is it bad that I immediately recognized the Hemo-Goblin from the thumbnail? 😅
Okay but how would Kroefe a seemingly normal heavyset man even be a member of a super team ?
Obviously i cant say anuthing jere since I'm a white man but hiw is this offensive? The villain was great sinceyhey actually made him a villian the gave the actual evil attributes that villian should have. The aids thing at the end was kinda smart since it gave an actual scientific way that Hemo Goblin was able to kill.
I think it might just be that the three heroes that fought him all became HIV positive.
Honestly, if we wanted to discuss things that are offensive, Daredevil 110 -112 regarding the origin of the Mandrill and Nekra. A comic that tried to discuss race that inadvertently became racist.
@@christopherbennett5858 I've never of that comic. What happens in it?
@@twk4977 Basically, Shanna the She-Devil, Daredevil and Black Widow team up to take down Mandril and Nekra.
The Mandrill is using his enslaved women to incite hatred by doing stuff like using a laser to carve a certain German dictator into Mt Rushmore so Nekra’s strength can grow through Hatred.
And the fact that this was the comic used to discuss race… disturbs me.
It also reveals their origin; a black cleaning lady and a white nuclear scientist were caught in a radiation leak and seemed fine.
When the woman gave birth, she and her black husband brought Nekra, a vampiric looking, bleached white skinned girl into the world.
Meanwhile, the Mandrill was born to the white family of the nuclear scientist with black skin and covered in hair… eventually mutating his face into that of a mandrill. His parents named him Jerome. And the fact that he compares himself to a black person when he looks like that and his powers are enslaving women? Yikes.
I had an inkling of what the second sickness was...and yet I still couldn't help but laugh 😂
I'm going to help but holy shit. This comic is definitely wild.
Offensive? I found this to be rather hilarious... dood!
I review the reviewers that review movies, comics, and TV. 10 out 10 you sir are a 🐐
1988...what a time to be alive
I kept waiting for more after the reveal and it just ends so I’m just sitting here stun locked.
Alright, now do Snowflame
They’re certain comic book story arcs and comics in general that really hit us in all of the right ways and all of the worst ways. This……………just hit us in all of the most HORRIBLE WAYS here, people!
Wow! Sean Strickland was in a comicbook before he was even born?
If this the most offensive that is to be found history should be your final boss. Less sensitive more black bolt shaming
Wow.
How drunk was the editorial staff when they came up with that idea? And everyone else in the production line to create and publish it?
I think I know where this story is going. Yup I was right with the whole Hemogoblin thing.
Linkara touched on this years back. This comic is just one big creative experiment that went nowhere. When you get the chance, read the comic that introduced Snowflame, a villain whose superpowers run on cocaine! And he reappears years later in a catwoman comic.
NGL i was convinced he wasnt gonna deliver but Holy SHT that ending was brutal
Offensive? Maybe. But boy did that punchline hilarious 😂
Great concept for a comic. I approve
You means to tell me that no one on the JLA mage PreP?
My jaw didn’t hit the floor, but it did made me laugh
I WAS NOT expecting that. Not even a little bit
“Tap into the green” 😂 I don’t know why that’s so funny to me lol