Put it this way: a laptop is meant to be carried around. That means all the parts will have a size/weight constraint to consider (aka they have to balance out the aspects they compromise). PC parts don't have that limiting factor.
Not to mention a GPU on a laptop will not have the same performance as on a desktop because of the cooling limitation of the laptop. You are buying an inferior version with the only advantage being that you can easily carry it around.
@@AragorN88 Also no battery that fits a laptop form factor will ever be able to supply 500W, which is on the low side for a desktop PC. More power often means more frames, so a 350W GPU will always be better than a 150W GPU with the same architecture and manufacturing node.
@@AragorN88 Origin disagreed. Their "Laptop frame, Desktop parts" was (when I bought it) as powerful as you could make any consumer PC on market. Hot and heavy, but it outclassed anyone I went up against. (Again, at the time)
@@prawtism We're comparing laptop parts vs PC parts here, they have different standard sizes for each. So say you want to have a part that can hit X levels of performance, but in a laptop part it has to be smaller/lighter/better heat management than a similar PC part. Even if that can somehow be achieved, it has to cost a fair bit more than the PC part, just cos of all the extra tech and engineering that goes into it. In other words, for the same amount of money, the PC parts you can buy will almost always outperform laptop parts (assuming we're not talking about shortages, of course).
As someone that has been exclusively using laptops for the past 10+ years, I agree with her recommendation. While laptops can still be great gaming machines, it is significantly more expensive than a desktop of similar quality. Unless you have a specific reason to get a laptop (e.g. I travel a lot for work and need something portable), I highly recommend desktops.
I agree. Even though my job does not require a laptop, I got a work laptop for things like typing on the go(I learned the hard way that even though you could do most work on an iPad, some things are better done on a laptop/PC environment when you're overseas). My main gaming workhorse is my desktop and my consoles, but having a laptop to do some things outside, like typing up something as a hobby, is honestly better than the annoyance of doing it on an iPad/tablet using its software keyboard.
If only the gpu prices weren't so artificially high, I probably would've had a gaming pc by now... Add to that the chip shortage and yeah... Thankfully I'll be able to get a steam deck to finally pc game! But yes, Botan's a true gamer hehe! ^_^
I haven't looked recently, but during the earlier days of the shortage, you could buy prebuilts for as much as the graphics card, so just take that out and sell the other parts.
If I remember right, last I checked the build to order sites, the GPU's aren't insanely overpriced there. Resellers and stores are where the overpriced versions were, but they weren't bad on the websites. But with that said, it was a 2-3 month wait for a build instead of 1-3 weeks.
Gpu prices are so expensive by the time you finish your build the laptop with good specs would be a more valuable deal, but laptops do still have limits even if the recent ones are extremely good. But i do understand building a desktop at msrp would give more fps
Unfortunately, due to the semiconductor shortage, you can often get a whole gaming laptop for the price of a GPU. Right now, it makes sense to get a laptop and get a desktop later on when things are less insane.
Yeah, these are dark times indeed. I should have just suck it up and bought a pre-built. Been forced to use my older GPU for a over a year now since I don't want to go through the same trouble I did to get a PS5. Though that 1070 is still going strong. I just hope it doesn't break until I can get a new one.
Also for people who travel around a lot a laptop would be more convenient to enjoy your game wherever instead of it being stuck at home and you can only play like, twice a week
@@foufoufun If you are able to... Get the RTX 3050 as soon as possible. If not other wise prices will shoot up. 1070 will definitely fall behind 3050. I originally wanted a 3060 but decided to go for the 3050 because it was recently released and much cheaper then the 3060 which was double/triple their MSRP.
Honestly, it's so cool to see how different all the girls in Hololive are, they all have special talents and knowledge that really showcase their uniqueness
Unfortunately for me, my responsibilities requires me to be on the move a lot, so I had to buy a gaming laptop even though I wanted to buy a desktop so bad
I work onsite 6-7 months a year, I have a desktop pc that I carry every time I went outstation, just buy a big luggage bag. You can find tv at any hotels and air bnb.
@@shijou2867 ayyyy legion gang, unfortunately for me I have to hide the fact that my father had gifted me a gaming laptop, because for some dumfuck reason my mother dosen't want me to own a pc (even though I was planning to become a programmer) Until I can earn my money or move out of the house, I cannot own a pc
With the absolute drought of GPUs right now for desktops, for some people if they want decent gaming performance and let's say their old GPU pooped out, a decent gaming laptop is their only choice unfortunately
That's in the boat I'm in right now. I have to just keep holding out without anything proper because I don't want to blow my money on a shitty laptop but I also can't afford the hiked up prices on parts to get something worthwhile.
Honestly though these days, gaming laptops have gotten really good on their own. And especially so factoring in the cringe desktop GPU shortages in the recent years, resulting in higher pricing, etc. Getting a good laptop then maybe plugging it into an external monitor (though laptop displays have gotten good these days too) has been a common solution for some people in the past couple years; especially for those are move around a little more often. The good ones might be more expensive to start with compared to the modular nature of a desktop for peeps on a budget though. so in the end I think it really just depends on the individual's needs and resources.
I have a gaming laptop . It's loud af, really hot when running full tilt, much more costly and still not as powerful as my PC. I only recommend it for people who are constantly on the go.
Use thermal paste,my laptop loud af either but i use headset to play any game so it doesn't concern me and with laptop you should play in a cooled room and change your thermal paste 1 time/year,lately i play dying light 2 and ready or not,my cpu temp is like 60-70° which is normal
@@gremcilia_immermurin how is it a hassle?i mean even with pc,you need to change the thermal paste more times than laptop,and i'm sure anybody that play pc always play in cooled room,i told you this because many people that bought gaming laptip didn't know about thermal paste(which is the most important for cooling the temp both for pc and laptop)
I totally get this, I have my dedicated PC and laptop. However due to the nature of my work who always set on the go on different locations, I rarely use my pc so I gave it to my dad who loves gaming. So now, I just use throttlestop/undervolt my current laptop and change it to a better thermal paste to resolve thermal issues.
@@Satan-xm4cg Probably because all the problem which "loud af, really hot when running full tilt, much more costly and still not as powerful as my PC" is significantly or even dissapear by just using PC. Also high quality PC thermal paste can last 7 year to 10+ year, and about 3-4 year to actually see some decrease in performance. Its fine without frequently change it. PC have significantly more cooling room after all.
Gaming laptop preferred only if you're constantly on the move and an ITX + monitor + peripherals is not convenient enough. I owned a gaming laptop for my uni years but have since upgraded to a proper desktop.
Gaming laptops are WAY different than they used to be back in the day. I can totally agree with the lion about choice of CPU and GPU when choosing a new laptop since it's pretty much a fix thing (it's gonna be that specific gpu and that specific cpu you'll get with the device). Speaking of experience, i use a HP Omen 15 with a Ryzen 7 4800h and nvidia RTX 2060 (costed me $1180 bucks last year) And i can play many current gen games at ultra settings without problems at 60 FPS. >YOUR MACHINE MUST SOUND LIKE A DARN HAIRDRYER Nope. Even playing same doom eternal for hours it only manages to sound just what a PS5 fan noise sound playing Elden ring. If you have the money to invest on a desktop tho, totally go for it. If you have the money for only a laptop, totally go for it. If you want further evidence of what this specific laptop can do, i have many livestreams here on youtube using said laptop with multiple games too.
Most people aren't going to have the years of experience required to squeeze proper performance out of a laptop - especially someone who's coming from console gaming.
wow thats a nice price you got there, just checking the price on my marketplace it was around $1680. each region have different price especially in my country that put extra tax on "luxury" items so a similar item could have 50% more expensive than on other places
Yes, completely agree. Had a gaming laptop, it borked right at warranty. Ended up using it as an extremely expensive office laptop. It eventually offed itself entirely because "lol laptop guts"
External graphic cards are a thing though. I predict that the return of the laptop dock will happen soon, because the thunderbolt connection isn't fast enough and the cable lenght have to be short, so it's better to have a new docking port at the bottom of laptops to attache to dock that has the graphics card, extra storage, ports etc...
true, there's already the Asus ROG flow x13 and z13. It's just that, they're expensive af. If that kind of system is made the norm within the next 2 years, hopefully budget laptops can integrate it too so you can choose to "upgrade" your graphics performance by simply buying an external gpu for your laptop.
Considering how prices have increased for PC recently, buying a laptop can be cheaper than buying a PC for the same spec if you search well. I know someone who bought a laptop for $1300 where its equivalent for PC was something like $1500-2000. So he got the advantage of being able to move anywhere he wants and for a cheaper price. (there even was a double reduction, the original price being $1700)
Botan is based, I agree with her wholeheartedly. Gaming laptop is -heresy- not a good choice xD Not to mention it's easier to fix PC and find parts than laptop
Okay but right now there's almost zero stock of desktop GPUs and for the few that are available, they're being scalped for around $1000 for just an RTX 3070. Not a good time to build a desktop at all.
@@Unchainedmaple888 bro I’ve been playing on a ryzen 3200g for the past year or 2 and I can testify that it’s not necessary to pay an extra grand to play good games. Vega 8 graphics + 2 sticks of ram (16gb total) has allowed me to play a TON of recent titles at decent frames, might not look as pretty though admittedly. If people don’t wanna go that route though and insist on a CPU over an APU they can always buy an older graphics card that occasionally shows up on the markets usually allowing for those Same higher settings for
With the advent of Mini-ITX PC builds with overall volume the size as a lunchbox, its portable enough that you can put inside a backpack with a 60% mech keyboard, mouse, headset, and a 15" portable monitor, and you're good to go. Of course you need to have a place with an available wall outlet if you're planning on gaming outside your house.
i own a gaming laptop, and the main reason why is because I'll be entering college (or university for those abroad) at around the middle of this year. I guess college life requires a lot of on the go stuff, im not much of a gamer anyways, and in my chosen course I think we'll be using a lot of autocad/other rendering software. But, I hope I can finally switch to a desktop once I've made a steady flow of income.
As someone with a 2013 MSI gaming laptop, I can confirm i5 is true you will eventually hit a wall. Granted, my computer is 9 years old but I was not able to run Elden Ring. It kept crashing upon startup.
I was about to mention that you really can get gaming laptops that will keep you well up to date with current and future games for... quite a while. Then I saw their budget and all that went out the window. Gonna have a bit of a tough time building an average desktop right now at that budget.
@@-Devy- tell me you dont have a ps5 without telling me you dont have a ps5 Dumbass i have a pc 💀✋🏻you look just like your profile gaming laptop is trash
So Shishiron's first PC is a build to order? That's a new thing to know. I thought that Shishiron's someone who's like already building her first PC when she's still a baby and tinkering with old parts.
I actually use the Nitro5 laptop for 3D modelling lessons but now I use it to play a few games like War Thunder or Enlisted. I'm not much of a hardcore gamer that needs the latest in gaming tech as long as I am enjoying playing games for now.
Gaming laptop is great but it has limited Potential 1st of all the Cooling, Its not great even devs says it really good at thermal but all laptops thermals are still the same 2nd Thermal Throttling But it can still play triple A title's but lower the settings of some games to give the fans something to do
She's right about the things you want a PC for change once you get a PC. I helped my brother build an entry level desktop for gaming not long ago, but now he wants to do video editing and blender too.
Pretty much my take on it as well, that's definitely the voice of experience. I don't need the portability of a laptop (and in cases where I do, I have my smartphone and a work laptop to cover it). So it always seemed like one of those "pay more for less" deals. Funny she mentions build-to-order. I learned how to build my own in my early teens, but these days I definitely do buy from independent vendors because it's less hassle and, frankly, I run out of patience and my airflow sucks lol.
Shows us what she knows! I spent all of my college years with a gaming laptop, and played a ton of stuff, not to mention rendered 3d animations! Sure, rendering took forever, the games would slow down to a handicapped snail's pace and the poor machine died unceremoniously while rendering a video, but it got me through! I totally never wanted a pc all that time and totally didn't get ecstatic when I got a desktop!
She's 100% right. I have an MSI GF63 with GTX 1650, 12 GB RAM, and i5 9th Gen for around 675 USD. My friend bought a prebuilt Gaming PC with Free Monitor for the same price. I know it's different from country to country, but if you're looking for a full gaming experience with a PC don't buy a gaming laptop. Build a PC because even though the initial buying price might be steep, the PC is modular. You can always change the parts later and not have to buy a whole new laptop just so that you can get a spec upgrade.
true gamer right there. she's right. I bought a gaming laptop only because of work, but yeah totally limited when it comes to upgrades plus it costs more than building a desktop.
She's right. The games I play on my laptop are 20 year old CRPGs. I mostly use it for work. My actual desktop is a dedicated gaming machine & media server hooked up to my tv in my living room
I definitely agree with her. I got a low medium end gaming PC back in 2013. I loved it even though it could only play ARK at low settings. 6 years later I upgraded most of it's insides and now I play ARK at maximum settings.
Well... that's kinda based. If you need portability and need good performance on the go, PLUS you don't want your electricity bills go up a gaming laptop is the way to go. I have a ASUS G15 with RTX3060 and happy with it. Also the prices in my country to build a desktop PC are really high, maybe twice the price comparing to United States or Japan. I think it depends on use case IMO
Not to mention that you can run into all sorts of issues with heat and thermal throttling that are a lot harder to address on a laptop than they would be on a desktop. If a desktop's cooling systems get clogged up with dust and start to thermal throttle your components then all you have to do is take the side cover off and clean all the dust out and it'll be back to normal. If the same thing happens to a laptop then it's usually much harder to clean out. Components are often a lot harder to get to and some laptops don't even let you take the back cover off without voiding the warranty. Blowing air into the laptop isn't very effective, often leaves dust inside it still, and can risk damaging components inside the laptop, etc. Overall if you want to play PC games then you're much better off buying a desktop, even with current GPU prices. That way you'll also have the option of upgrading later down the line depending on what parts you pick, where as with a laptop you'd be forced to just replace it with a better one if you wanted better performance. Laptops are only really good as backups to have in addition to a proper gaming desktop, or when you have no other alternatives. They are not really meant to be used as your primary gaming platform.
Such a gamer veteran response, I think I'd have to go for a laptop, it's not guaranteed that I'm going to get a permanent visa here in Australia (been here for 2.5 years) so having a desktop is hassle to have when moving.
I accidently had this at 1.3 speed, thanks to an addon, and I just thought she was talking super enthusiastically about how its better getting an desktop instead of an laptop. I didn't feel weird at all, seemed perfectly reasonable.
She spitting straight facts, but laptops better suit my lifestyle. I'll probably get a desktop when I get a nicer place someday and/or don't have to travel so much.
One of the key limitations of a laptop are the power and thermal constraints to ensure they're portable and doesn't set your house on fire. Using an extreme example, an RTX 4090 Laptop chip is around the same performance tier as the RTX 4070Ti/RTX 3090 Desktop. Meanwhile the actual 4090 is in a class of its own.
I have a top spec 2019 Predator Triton 500, and she's right. Thing feels like I'm frying eggs on it if I play games these days. The problem might be with the almost 4 year old hardware, or me not cleaning the fans every week. But it still boots up faster than all of my friends' PCs.
Yup, clean it. Not only on a laptop but also on a desktop. Dust will build up. Just that a laptop is build so tightly that you'll hit the thermal limits way earlier.
@@razgriz1214 just cleaned it. Well, at least as much as I could short of completely dismantling it. I'd probably need to take the entire motherboard off to get the fans out.
I have felt the limit of buying a gaming laptop, however the choice to get a laptop instead of a desktop is better for right now since I’m still a student and I needed my work station to be more mobile
Also, and this might be a personal gripe but she probably would feel the same to, the fact that if u do run high end games on laptops, they become toasters after abt 30mins-1hr of gaming, which can get worrying especially say ur on a nice workbench that might leave burn marks or warp under heat
No, she's not. The computer parts market is not what it used to be. Gaming laptops are far better value for your money currently. Despite your name try to not be a sheep, just blindly listening to others.
few months back its recomended to get gaming laptop because at that time graphic card price very expensive because of miner and slapper, but now their price going back to normal so yes follow Botan advice if you want to into gaming on PC
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Spoken like a true gamer veteran. The sneeze 🤧 finisher was Majestic.
Damn bro said everything I wanted to.
A blessing from the lord
The sneezing was from her gaming fan blowing dust in her face.
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Put it this way: a laptop is meant to be carried around. That means all the parts will have a size/weight constraint to consider (aka they have to balance out the aspects they compromise). PC parts don't have that limiting factor.
Not to mention a GPU on a laptop will not have the same performance as on a desktop because of the cooling limitation of the laptop. You are buying an inferior version with the only advantage being that you can easily carry it around.
@@AragorN88 Also no battery that fits a laptop form factor will ever be able to supply 500W, which is on the low side for a desktop PC. More power often means more frames, so a 350W GPU will always be better than a 150W GPU with the same architecture and manufacturing node.
@@AragorN88 Origin disagreed. Their "Laptop frame, Desktop parts" was (when I bought it) as powerful as you could make any consumer PC on market.
Hot and heavy, but it outclassed anyone I went up against. (Again, at the time)
Don't they have to fit into standardized cases? They have all the same considerations, just in a 10x space
@@prawtism We're comparing laptop parts vs PC parts here, they have different standard sizes for each. So say you want to have a part that can hit X levels of performance, but in a laptop part it has to be smaller/lighter/better heat management than a similar PC part. Even if that can somehow be achieved, it has to cost a fair bit more than the PC part, just cos of all the extra tech and engineering that goes into it. In other words, for the same amount of money, the PC parts you can buy will almost always outperform laptop parts (assuming we're not talking about shortages, of course).
That sneeze at the end blessed me for a whole day. Arigatou~
Gave a great tech tip and gave us a cute sneeze after that. My experience with LaLion tech tips is a 11/10
Better than Linus with all his sponsorship hahahha XD
@@kennethcastillo9667 yo Linus is pretty cute too ngl😳
@@pi5927 does he come with a cute sneeze? If not, then......GET OUTTA HERE!
On a serious note, Linus is good just not kawaii good as our SSRB 😆
@@pi5927 Hey, I'm just saying. You've never seen Linus and Botan in the same room... Maybe Linus is Botan? 🤨😳
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Hmmmm
As someone that has been exclusively using laptops for the past 10+ years, I agree with her recommendation. While laptops can still be great gaming machines, it is significantly more expensive than a desktop of similar quality. Unless you have a specific reason to get a laptop (e.g. I travel a lot for work and need something portable), I highly recommend desktops.
I agree.
Even though my job does not require a laptop, I got a work laptop for things like typing on the go(I learned the hard way that even though you could do most work on an iPad, some things are better done on a laptop/PC environment when you're overseas).
My main gaming workhorse is my desktop and my consoles, but having a laptop to do some things outside, like typing up something as a hobby, is honestly better than the annoyance of doing it on an iPad/tablet using its software keyboard.
If only the gpu prices weren't so artificially high, I probably would've had a gaming pc by now...
Add to that the chip shortage and yeah...
Thankfully I'll be able to get a steam deck to finally pc game!
But yes, Botan's a true gamer hehe! ^_^
I haven't looked recently, but during the earlier days of the shortage, you could buy prebuilts for as much as the graphics card, so just take that out and sell the other parts.
If I remember right, last I checked the build to order sites, the GPU's aren't insanely overpriced there. Resellers and stores are where the overpriced versions were, but they weren't bad on the websites. But with that said, it was a 2-3 month wait for a build instead of 1-3 weeks.
Wouldn't the Steam Deck fit under the arguments Botan made in this clip, though? You can't upgrade them, can you?
Ryzen 5 5600G is a good starting boat, you dont need gpu for your first iteration of pc
Gpu prices are so expensive by the time you finish your build the laptop with good specs would be a more valuable deal, but laptops do still have limits even if the recent ones are extremely good. But i do understand building a desktop at msrp would give more fps
Unfortunately, due to the semiconductor shortage, you can often get a whole gaming laptop for the price of a GPU. Right now, it makes sense to get a laptop and get a desktop later on when things are less insane.
I bought a laptop bcz I didn't have space and it was cheaper so yeah
Yeah, these are dark times indeed. I should have just suck it up and bought a pre-built. Been forced to use my older GPU for a over a year now since I don't want to go through the same trouble I did to get a PS5. Though that 1070 is still going strong. I just hope it doesn't break until I can get a new one.
Also for people who travel around a lot a laptop would be more convenient to enjoy your game wherever instead of it being stuck at home and you can only play like, twice a week
GPUs are only expensive for those who dont want to wait/ look for the right prices ...
@@foufoufun If you are able to... Get the RTX 3050 as soon as possible.
If not other wise prices will shoot up.
1070 will definitely fall behind 3050.
I originally wanted a 3060 but decided to go for the 3050 because it was recently released and much cheaper then the 3060 which was double/triple their MSRP.
Honestly, it's so cool to see how different all the girls in Hololive are, they all have special talents and knowledge that really showcase their uniqueness
it's almost like they're real people
ohh wait....
That's strong advice, portable devices have a hard performance ceiling. And it's even without touching on how un-ergonomic laptops are for gaming.
Unfortunately for me, my responsibilities requires me to be on the move a lot, so I had to buy a gaming laptop even though I wanted to buy a desktop so bad
same
got the legion 5, loving it so far
I work onsite 6-7 months a year, I have a desktop pc that I carry every time I went outstation, just buy a big luggage bag. You can find tv at any hotels and air bnb.
@@shijou2867 ayyyy legion gang, unfortunately for me I have to hide the fact that my father had gifted me a gaming laptop, because for some dumfuck reason my mother dosen't want me to own a pc (even though I was planning to become a programmer)
Until I can earn my money or move out of the house, I cannot own a pc
With the absolute drought of GPUs right now for desktops, for some people if they want decent gaming performance and let's say their old GPU pooped out, a decent gaming laptop is their only choice unfortunately
yeah got a ps5 and a cheap 3060 gaming laptop.
yeah fuck the miners
That's in the boat I'm in right now. I have to just keep holding out without anything proper because I don't want to blow my money on a shitty laptop but I also can't afford the hiked up prices on parts to get something worthwhile.
for around 150k yen that person can get a rather decent gaming PC, it would have a 3060 and a ryzen 5 5600x in it (price on pc koubou website)
This sucks, the future was supposed to be cool with neon and cheap computers everywhere. Can't even get good GPUs
Honestly though these days, gaming laptops have gotten really good on their own. And especially so factoring in the cringe desktop GPU shortages in the recent years, resulting in higher pricing, etc.
Getting a good laptop then maybe plugging it into an external monitor (though laptop displays have gotten good these days too) has been a common solution for some people in the past couple years; especially for those are move around a little more often.
The good ones might be more expensive to start with compared to the modular nature of a desktop for peeps on a budget though. so in the end I think it really just depends on the individual's needs and resources.
I have a gaming laptop . It's loud af, really hot when running full tilt, much more costly and still not as powerful as my PC. I only recommend it for people who are constantly on the go.
Use thermal paste,my laptop loud af either but i use headset to play any game so it doesn't concern me and with laptop you should play in a cooled room and change your thermal paste 1 time/year,lately i play dying light 2 and ready or not,my cpu temp is like 60-70° which is normal
@@Satan-xm4cg Feels like a hassle when I really could just play on my PC. Only reason I bought it is bc of the heavy apps I use for work.
@@gremcilia_immermurin how is it a hassle?i mean even with pc,you need to change the thermal paste more times than laptop,and i'm sure anybody that play pc always play in cooled room,i told you this because many people that bought gaming laptip didn't know about thermal paste(which is the most important for cooling the temp both for pc and laptop)
I totally get this, I have my dedicated PC and laptop. However due to the nature of my work who always set on the go on different locations, I rarely use my pc so I gave it to my dad who loves gaming. So now, I just use throttlestop/undervolt my current laptop and change it to a better thermal paste to resolve thermal issues.
@@Satan-xm4cg Probably because all the problem which
"loud af, really hot when running full tilt, much more costly and still not as powerful as my PC"
is significantly or even dissapear by just using PC.
Also high quality PC thermal paste can last 7 year to 10+ year, and about 3-4 year to actually see some decrease in performance. Its fine without frequently change it. PC have significantly more cooling room after all.
"I'm not saying you shouldn't buy a laptop, but don't buy a laptop."
Spoken like a true gamer.
Gaming laptop preferred only if you're constantly on the move and an ITX + monitor + peripherals is not convenient enough. I owned a gaming laptop for my uni years but have since upgraded to a proper desktop.
Glad to see the return of Botan Tech Tips
ok botan i accept your advice. looking forward to bringing my cpu, monitor, keyboard, mouse, extension wire, and desk wherever i go
Gaming laptops are WAY different than they used to be back in the day.
I can totally agree with the lion about choice of CPU and GPU when choosing a new laptop since it's pretty much a fix thing (it's gonna be that specific gpu and that specific cpu you'll get with the device).
Speaking of experience, i use a HP Omen 15 with a Ryzen 7 4800h and nvidia RTX 2060 (costed me $1180 bucks last year)
And i can play many current gen games at ultra settings without problems at 60 FPS.
>YOUR MACHINE MUST SOUND LIKE A DARN HAIRDRYER
Nope. Even playing same doom eternal for hours it only manages to sound just what a PS5 fan noise sound playing Elden ring.
If you have the money to invest on a desktop tho, totally go for it. If you have the money for only a laptop, totally go for it.
If you want further evidence of what this specific laptop can do, i have many livestreams here on youtube using said laptop with multiple games too.
doom isnt that demanding tho
Most people aren't going to have the years of experience required to squeeze proper performance out of a laptop - especially someone who's coming from console gaming.
wow thats a nice price you got there, just checking the price on my marketplace it was around $1680. each region have different price especially in my country that put extra tax on "luxury" items so a similar item could have 50% more expensive than on other places
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I like how after the practical advice you treated us to a cute sneeze. Arigatou
Yes, completely agree. Had a gaming laptop, it borked right at warranty. Ended up using it as an extremely expensive office laptop. It eventually offed itself entirely because "lol laptop guts"
this actually happened to me a few years ago lmao botan tech tips 10/10
External graphic cards are a thing though.
I predict that the return of the laptop dock will happen soon, because the thunderbolt connection isn't fast enough and the cable lenght have to be short, so it's better to have a new docking port at the bottom of laptops to attache to dock that has the graphics card, extra storage, ports etc...
true, there's already the Asus ROG flow x13 and z13. It's just that, they're expensive af.
If that kind of system is made the norm within the next 2 years, hopefully budget laptops can integrate it too so you can choose to "upgrade" your graphics performance by simply buying an external gpu for your laptop.
Considering how prices have increased for PC recently, buying a laptop can be cheaper than buying a PC for the same spec if you search well. I know someone who bought a laptop for $1300 where its equivalent for PC was something like $1500-2000. So he got the advantage of being able to move anywhere he wants and for a cheaper price. (there even was a double reduction, the original price being $1700)
Botan is based, I agree with her wholeheartedly. Gaming laptop is -heresy- not a good choice xD
Not to mention it's easier to fix PC and find parts than laptop
Okay but right now there's almost zero stock of desktop GPUs and for the few that are available, they're being scalped for around $1000 for just an RTX 3070. Not a good time to build a desktop at all.
"find parts"... In pre fluflu/ww3 season maybe now it's super hard to find a 3090
@@Unchainedmaple888 then, can you find reasonable price for laptop gaming huh? what r the prices
You dont even need the rtx 3000 series lol.
@@Unchainedmaple888 bro I’ve been playing on a ryzen 3200g for the past year or 2 and I can testify that it’s not necessary to pay an extra grand to play good games. Vega 8 graphics + 2 sticks of ram (16gb total) has allowed me to play a TON of recent titles at decent frames, might not look as pretty though admittedly. If people don’t wanna go that route though and insist on a CPU over an APU they can always buy an older graphics card that occasionally shows up on the markets usually allowing for those Same higher settings for
With the advent of Mini-ITX PC builds with overall volume the size as a lunchbox, its portable enough that you can put inside a backpack with a 60% mech keyboard, mouse, headset, and a 15" portable monitor, and you're good to go.
Of course you need to have a place with an available wall outlet if you're planning on gaming outside your house.
Absolutely. Couldn’t say it better. Other than i tell my friends I’ll source parts for them. Well that was before the part apocalypse.
Bless you.
I can guarantee you that the sneeze was part of the specs you need to remember before buying a pc
She gives you a pro gamer/pc expert advice and sneezes as an extra gift. I feel like I own her a SC.
i own a gaming laptop, and the main reason why is because I'll be entering college (or university for those abroad) at around the middle of this year. I guess college life requires a lot of on the go stuff, im not much of a gamer anyways, and in my chosen course I think we'll be using a lot of autocad/other rendering software. But, I hope I can finally switch to a desktop once I've made a steady flow of income.
As someone with a 2013 MSI gaming laptop, I can confirm i5 is true you will eventually hit a wall.
Granted, my computer is 9 years old but I was not able to run Elden Ring. It kept crashing upon startup.
Im using a gaming laptop right now due work related events but from what is worth, botan is absolutely right, desktop is better.
I was about to mention that you really can get gaming laptops that will keep you well up to date with current and future games for... quite a while. Then I saw their budget and all that went out the window. Gonna have a bit of a tough time building an average desktop right now at that budget.
Gaming laptop is bad ino
Botan lookin cute as always love her so much :'D she knows her thing huh?
Tell me you don't have any actual computer knowledge without telling me you don't have any actual computer knowledge.
if we assume people have infinite money, yeah, gaming PC is always better, but that's not the world we live in
@@-Devy- tell me you dont have a ps5 without telling me you dont have a ps5
Dumbass i have a pc 💀✋🏻you look just like your profile gaming laptop is trash
So Shishiron's first PC is a build to order? That's a new thing to know. I thought that Shishiron's someone who's like already building her first PC when she's still a baby and tinkering with old parts.
this is why i love botan
I hope i have a sister like botan
Damn
I literally have someone who knows about computers and shit, he also likes birds too
Gaming laptop is the way to go if you want to attend LAN parties in person and don't want to be playing on a literal potato.
I actually use the Nitro5 laptop for 3D modelling lessons but now I use it to play a few games like War Thunder or Enlisted. I'm not much of a hardcore gamer that needs the latest in gaming tech as long as I am enjoying playing games for now.
Basically saying , with a laptop its less customizable rather than a pc where if something breaks you can easily replace it.
Botan talking about everything else: *Giggles*
Botan when laptops are mentioned: *"Who has summoned my wrath?"*
_FINALLY_ i love Botan now!
She says the right words!
Gaming laptop is great but it has limited Potential
1st of all the Cooling, Its not great even devs says it really good at thermal but all laptops thermals are still the same
2nd Thermal Throttling
But it can still play triple A title's but lower the settings of some games to give the fans something to do
Yeah I wish I could carry my huge ass pc around when I'm traveling around the country. Desktop is a burden.
@@TheTickyTickyTicky I know that feeling too dude
You forget Nvidia shenanigans with various power variant of same gpu, like 60w, 75w, 95w & 130w rtx 3060.
@@wisdoom9153 Yes that too
the heat is insane no matter how good a gaming laptop is. you can't cheat physics
she needs to have a Botan's tech tips series I swear
True pc master race ❤
She's right about the things you want a PC for change once you get a PC. I helped my brother build an entry level desktop for gaming not long ago, but now he wants to do video editing and blender too.
Pretty much my take on it as well, that's definitely the voice of experience. I don't need the portability of a laptop (and in cases where I do, I have my smartphone and a work laptop to cover it). So it always seemed like one of those "pay more for less" deals.
Funny she mentions build-to-order. I learned how to build my own in my early teens, but these days I definitely do buy from independent vendors because it's less hassle and, frankly, I run out of patience and my airflow sucks lol.
Shows us what she knows! I spent all of my college years with a gaming laptop, and played a ton of stuff, not to mention rendered 3d animations! Sure, rendering took forever, the games would slow down to a handicapped snail's pace and the poor machine died unceremoniously while rendering a video, but it got me through! I totally never wanted a pc all that time and totally didn't get ecstatic when I got a desktop!
"They had us in the first half, I'm not gonna lie."
1:26 Blessed Shishiron noises
Never realized botan is so knowledgeable about this. She is amazing
She's 100% right. I have an MSI GF63 with GTX 1650, 12 GB RAM, and i5 9th Gen for around 675 USD. My friend bought a prebuilt Gaming PC with Free Monitor for the same price. I know it's different from country to country, but if you're looking for a full gaming experience with a PC don't buy a gaming laptop. Build a PC because even though the initial buying price might be steep, the PC is modular. You can always change the parts later and not have to buy a whole new laptop just so that you can get a spec upgrade.
true gamer right there. she's right. I bought a gaming laptop only because of work, but yeah totally limited when it comes to upgrades plus it costs more than building a desktop.
Botan sneezes. AMEEEEEEEEENNNNN!!!!
the sneeze in the end was a blessings
1:26 here u go comrade
I sneezed at the same time as her but the contrasts of the sneeze are huge in many ways.
Botan give me advice about gaming platforms
Me : I'm very thankful for ur timeless wisdom wise lion
Cute botan knows what is good and bad for gaming devices ❤️
Well said lion 💪
She's right. The games I play on my laptop are 20 year old CRPGs. I mostly use it for work. My actual desktop is a dedicated gaming machine & media server hooked up to my tv in my living room
Chat: I thinking about buying a gaming laptop.
Botan: And I took that *personally*.
The last part is the best advice
AHEK
Botan en este clip
Empezar hablando como un veterano gamer
Terminando con un adorable estornudo
Sasuga La-Lion FPS
I love thst it ended with a sneeze
I definitely agree with her.
I got a low medium end gaming PC back in 2013. I loved it even though it could only play ARK at low settings. 6 years later I upgraded most of it's insides and now I play ARK at maximum settings.
Well... that's kinda based.
If you need portability and need good performance on the go, PLUS you don't want your electricity bills go up a gaming laptop is the way to go. I have a ASUS G15 with RTX3060 and happy with it. Also the prices in my country to build a desktop PC are really high, maybe twice the price comparing to United States or Japan.
I think it depends on use case IMO
Not to mention that you can run into all sorts of issues with heat and thermal throttling that are a lot harder to address on a laptop than they would be on a desktop. If a desktop's cooling systems get clogged up with dust and start to thermal throttle your components then all you have to do is take the side cover off and clean all the dust out and it'll be back to normal. If the same thing happens to a laptop then it's usually much harder to clean out. Components are often a lot harder to get to and some laptops don't even let you take the back cover off without voiding the warranty. Blowing air into the laptop isn't very effective, often leaves dust inside it still, and can risk damaging components inside the laptop, etc.
Overall if you want to play PC games then you're much better off buying a desktop, even with current GPU prices. That way you'll also have the option of upgrading later down the line depending on what parts you pick, where as with a laptop you'd be forced to just replace it with a better one if you wanted better performance. Laptops are only really good as backups to have in addition to a proper gaming desktop, or when you have no other alternatives. They are not really meant to be used as your primary gaming platform.
I wish I saw this 3 years ago🤣 I’m stuck with a gaming laptop that cost the same as a normal pc setup
Boton spitting straight FAQs!
Not that I don't want to build a gaming PC, but due to my work I have to travel a lot so I had to settle with a gaming laptop.
Yup, that's botan tech tips for you
Such a gamer veteran response, I think I'd have to go for a laptop, it's not guaranteed that I'm going to get a permanent visa here in Australia (been here for 2.5 years) so having a desktop is hassle to have when moving.
the gamer sneeze. Bless her lionheart
Pov : When you can afford PC gaming.
I saw a 3070ti priced at $1100 days ago. Also a few budget gaming laptops around that price for not much more.
Well, this was to be expected. Botan's become our technology master over the years. She's just, amazing.
cute botan with great tech advice.
also botan sneeze tskr.
As a student who travels, a gaming laptop is the only way to go
I accidently had this at 1.3 speed, thanks to an addon, and I just thought she was talking super enthusiastically about how its better getting an desktop instead of an laptop.
I didn't feel weird at all, seemed perfectly reasonable.
bless you botan
Agreed, the only reason i have laptop is for works and lecture choose the one with enough ports and light on weight
As expected of Botan.
So lucky I built my PC in Feb 2020 before the prices went insane.
quite mesmerized by her superb knowledge, and how she sometimes helped other members desktop setting.
she's truly PC master race lion.
Superb? Thats general knowledge. Yall need to calm down lmfao
@@MirV7 fr
The fact that I got my HP omen 15 with a 2060, i7-10750H for less than 1200 and barely used was the reason I went for it.
She spitting straight facts, but laptops better suit my lifestyle. I'll probably get a desktop when I get a nicer place someday and/or don't have to travel so much.
One of the key limitations of a laptop are the power and thermal constraints to ensure they're portable and doesn't set your house on fire.
Using an extreme example, an RTX 4090 Laptop chip is around the same performance tier as the RTX 4070Ti/RTX 3090 Desktop. Meanwhile the actual 4090 is in a class of its own.
I would prefer buying a gaming laptop instead of selling both of my kidney to buy a gpu
Botan: WAKARUKA?!
Me: i-i'll just buy console...
I have a top spec 2019 Predator Triton 500, and she's right. Thing feels like I'm frying eggs on it if I play games these days. The problem might be with the almost 4 year old hardware, or me not cleaning the fans every week. But it still boots up faster than all of my friends' PCs.
Definitely needs to check the fans and reapply thermal paste.
Yup, clean it. Not only on a laptop but also on a desktop. Dust will build up. Just that a laptop is build so tightly that you'll hit the thermal limits way earlier.
@@HappyBeezerStudios legit hits 50°C on idle with Razer Synapse and 5 Chrome tabs running
Definitely clean it dude.
@@razgriz1214 just cleaned it.
Well, at least as much as I could short of completely dismantling it.
I'd probably need to take the entire motherboard off to get the fans out.
You know the advice is good when it's blessed with a sneeze.
lets hope framework will become a common thing in the future and then we can see how Botan react to that concept xD
yep desktop is better cause with laptops your stocked with what specs you have you can even upgrade it's ram thease days
I have felt the limit of buying a gaming laptop, however the choice to get a laptop instead of a desktop is better for right now since I’m still a student and I needed my work station to be more mobile
Also, and this might be a personal gripe but she probably would feel the same to, the fact that if u do run high end games on laptops, they become toasters after abt 30mins-1hr of gaming, which can get worrying especially say ur on a nice workbench that might leave burn marks or warp under heat
She knows. True Player Lion. Never buy laptops for gaming purposes
No, she's not. The computer parts market is not what it used to be. Gaming laptops are far better value for your money currently. Despite your name try to not be a sheep, just blindly listening to others.
Amen!!
few months back its recomended to get gaming laptop because at that time graphic card price very expensive because of miner and slapper, but now their price going back to normal so yes follow Botan advice if you want to into gaming on PC