"... A device with one purpose, and this is to deliver death and destruction ..." You are the first horology commentator that I hear explain so clearly and honestly the true purpose of the creation of these watches. Very well said, and despite that I love the B-Uhr :)
No doubt the Brits and American's had just as "deadly" a range of devices with which to deliver their deadly cargoes over German cities during the war.
Ironically an instrument designed to be read on a shaky aircraft while you time the drop of your bombs is just as useful to a medic in the back of a shaky ambulance reading a patient's heart rate and applying drugs at the right time. How times change.
FINALLY a youtuber that understands the history and intended purpose of this watch! Thank you! NO (fighter-) pilot with common sense on either side of the forces would have wanted a 55mm dinner plate strapped to his arm while sitting in a cramped cockpit ... I guess. Well done Tim. Well explained. All I can add from my research is that the Type-B (shown in this video) replaced the Type-A (which was also NO watch worn by pilots) probably because the minutes readout was way more important than the hours on the dial. I think Laco does a great job of a homage in different price tears.
7rslender Yes! Actual Pilots used the Hanhart caliber 40 chronographs etc, and also Tutima chronographs. I’m sure there could be other brands but I’m familiar with these. Nowhere in the original documentation such as Wehrmacht order forms does the Luftwaffe refer to these as “Pilots watches” but as a “B-Uhr” = Beobachtungsuhr = observers watch.
Beautiful timepiece and another stellar video! Just noticed this isn't a new video and haven't read the comments but Long Island Watch in New York sells in stock the Laco brand in type A & B..
Made me appreciate my pilot watch collection even more especially my Big Pilot. This is just short and sweet regarding the history and information about the B-Uhr! Awesome video, Tim!
Hi Tim. I'm a big fan of your channel, and the content. One minor observation; the Junkers 88 cockpit picture @2:25 is accompanied with the "Stuka" name, which was not associated with this particular aircraft (that was associated with the Junkers 87 dive bomber). Kind regards.
Oh man, really appreciate all this information in this honest review! This historical explanation is very instructive, it is a beautiful piece, I definitely cannot afford something like that, so I am satisfied with my type B homage, because I love this model and its history, and you my friend, (if you allow me to call you that) very eloquent in your comments You have enlightened me quite a bit about the original purpose of this watch. So thank you and best regards. From México 👍🏼
This -according to my knowledge- is a B-Uhr with a B-dial. Can you elaborate also on the A-dial? I've just bought a Stowa Flieger with A-dial and love it. Nice video!
Great video Tim as always. I have a Laco Speyer and they are great watches. They also, as you alluded to, sell cheaper versions which still have most of the key attributes of the genre. Also they are lovely people to deal with. Still a family business I believe. Totally recommend Laco. One other thing is that the lume is normally brilliant. On a separate note: what do you think of the risk of radium on the original antique models?
Hard to tell. In information about that would demand a direct comparison of both brands with an actual WW2 piece. Actually a pretty cool video idea but the loser will just hate me :-)
Excuse me Tim. So you can actually break the watch if you pull the crown to position one (date setting) and turn it around midnight and break the movement. No?
Caseback Watches I think it depends on how the movement is modified inside. If you feel clicks as you turn the crown in the first position then it might cause some damage.
Hello everybody, Thanks for the review. So it has a ghost date function? At this price point? Do all the no-date Type B models from Laco have ghost date function? It may not be important for many people. But a ghost date function for me it is like a watch not having a dedicated movement for its model, and a way of saving money for the manufacturer. Would this affect the movement if we set the time between 9pm and 3am? I am considering getting one, that's why I am asking too.
Thank you for sharing your take on this interesting watch and it’s origins. Even though I have an 8” wrist, the reproduction version may actually be more suitable for me. Peace 🏴
the Aged dial is GORGEOUS. personally i prefer this dial on a steel case. i'm afraid i may get tired of the Bronze after a while... thanks for the great review.
The Laco Original series can’t be beat for the most historically accurate B-Uhren, aesthetically speaking. I bought myself a Dortmund a month ago. I plan to get the Westerland as well, and maybe both in bronze also. The Bremerhaven is also very nice. All three models are Handaufzug/hand winding. Yes, I’m a big Laco fan. ;) Edit: There’s a really great book on these watches by Konrad Knirim - Militäruhren: Die Uhren der deutschen Streitkräfte 1870 bis 1990. I’m unsure if there’s an English edition but as I can read a fair bit of German this edition is fine for me. I’ll try to find one and post the title here if there is. Edit: There is. Konrad Knirim - German Military Timepieces 150 Years Watches and Clocks of German Forces (Volume 1) ISBN 3-89355-232-4 Volume 2 is British timepieces. Herr Knirim’s website: www.knirim.de/english.htm
Im a huge fan, btw! I have been thinking about whic bronze watch I should get, and even though you recomended an Oris 65, I cant not get the Aquis I have been craving for 2 years! Anyways...Laco bronze flieger or Laco?
Hi Tim, at 2:29 you are referencing a Ju88 as Stuka. Stukas were Ju87 which were single engine dive bombers. Ju88 was a medium twin engine bomber. The cockpit picture is from the Ju88. So just get rid of the “Stuka“ reference. Thx.
Very nice, I'm looking to get a pilot's watch soon. Awhile back, you did a video on the correct pronunciation of German watch brands. I was wondering if you could give the correct pronunciation of the brand "Archimede" in your next video? Thanks!
Tim a recent subscriber, nice to see a watch channel which isn't hosted by a Rolex 'fanboy' 😊 I may have missed something but is this watch a 'recreation' or an actual genuine watch ? I think its fantastic thanks
I have theory about B dial that minutes on outside were there because minutes and seconds are the same makings... And seconds were super important for precise bombing. This watches were all about precision of seconds so that could be that (also i love how sec hand on bouth Aand B Dial sec hand reaches all the way over the marker so you cant miss read the sec, sutch a good design). Inner circle in 24 h in stead of 12 markings could be explained by the fact that bombings were at night and to have faster and more precise infos they communicated them like that. Also you need moment to translate 9h to 21h but you know by hart 0 to 12 reading so there could be something about fast comunication. Anyhow I hope someone could facts to this
You are a funny dude... endeed Laco is the brand for me that is why I own a Friedrichshafen type B, because of the detailed way in which, during that time, the war was run... I think it's a German thing to be so exact...as you beautifully said it to deliver D and D at the right time, very funny :-)))), but true.
A German speaking English with a slight Russian accent. All the more fun since this is about a WW2 watch. Good comprehensive review. Ju88 is not known as a "Stuka" though, just a minor nerdy correction.
I think the bronze case of the Laco goes great with the pre-aged lume color and has the advantage of not being dinged-up like the Erbstück case. To my knowledge, "Anforderz." means "Anforderzeichen", not "Anforderungszahl". The ETA Elaboré movements Laco uses are a bit basic and not to chronometer specs. Some components differ from chronometre, and the movement is regulated to 2 positions instead of 5. There are 2824 no-dates without the date position which is a nice touch, unfortunately not used by Laco. By the way, isn't there a youth hostel on the site of the former Hamburg naval observatory?
Hallo Tim, habe erst gestern Deinen Kanal gefunden. Super Videos die Du da machst. Nur die Analyse von Archie Luxury fand ich doch etwas erschreckend. Wie man solch einen Lowlife gut finden kann der nur beleidigt und rum flucht, entzieht sich mir. Aber egal. Mach weiter gute Videos und vielleicht zeigst Du uns mal etwas schönes von Hamburg. Ach ja, noch etwas. Was ist das für ein Holzkasten links neben Deinem Schreibtisch? Sieht fast so aus wie ein kleiner Sarg. Lol! ;) Gruss aus Solingen Frank S.
@@nielsschmidten6560 Völlig korrekt. Ich komme gerade mit den Kommentaren nicht mehr richtig hinterher. Mein Anspruch ist schon, alles zu lesen und wenn nötig zu kommentieren, aber manchmal bin ich da zu flüchtig. Größere Kanäle haben eine "Social Media Manager", der das dann übernimmt, aber das ist in meinen Augen auch keine wirkliche Lösung. Also vielen Dank für die Klarstellung und den Link. Die B-Uhren sind schon ein spannendes Thema und ich denke da lernen wir viel, wenn alle ihr Wissen zusammenlegen.
What is the reason to wear and glorify a watch that was pate of the SS uniform? It would be like wearing a shirt or boots that are an exact replica of a Nazi soldier's uniform every day! The story should not be forgotten but this seems a bit exaggerated. There are many other watches to be appreciated!
The biggest influence for the SS uniform came from an old cavalry unit. You find a video about this here on the channel. I've never heard that they've used the layout of a flieger watch for that uniform. Do you have a source?
@@CasebackWatches No specific source, I apologize if this is inaccurate but I personally use the term "Nazi soldier" or "SS" as a generic term to define a person belonging to the Nazi army during the Second World War, regardless of whether they are navy, air force or infantry.
@@damiano_damiano My grandfather avoided being in the SS, but he could not avoid part-time duty in the army. They were not seen as the same thing back then by the local people.
"... A device with one purpose, and this is to deliver death and destruction ..."
You are the first horology commentator that I hear explain so clearly and honestly the true purpose of the creation of these watches. Very well said, and despite that I love the B-Uhr :)
I agree, that why I liked this channel
I think thats describe how german regret their past
No doubt the Brits and American's had just as "deadly" a range of devices with which to deliver their deadly cargoes over German cities during the war.
Ironically an instrument designed to be read on a shaky aircraft while you time the drop of your bombs is just as useful to a medic in the back of a shaky ambulance reading a patient's heart rate and applying drugs at the right time. How times change.
FINALLY a youtuber that understands the history and intended purpose of this watch! Thank you!
NO (fighter-) pilot with common sense on either side of the forces would have wanted a 55mm dinner plate strapped to his arm while sitting in a cramped cockpit ... I guess.
Well done Tim. Well explained. All I can add from my research is that the Type-B (shown in this video) replaced the Type-A (which was also NO watch worn by pilots) probably because the minutes readout was way more important than the hours on the dial.
I think Laco does a great job of a homage in different price tears.
7rslender
Yes! Actual Pilots used the Hanhart caliber 40 chronographs etc, and also Tutima chronographs. I’m sure there could be other brands but I’m familiar with these. Nowhere in the original documentation such as Wehrmacht order forms does the Luftwaffe refer to these as “Pilots watches” but as a “B-Uhr” = Beobachtungsuhr = observers watch.
Fantastic video with a lot of important information about the history of the "B-Uhr"! We really appreciate it! Dankeschön! :-)
Pleasure ;-) Gerne teilen.
@@CasebackWatches Super, machen wir gerne demnächst auf unserer Facebook Seite! :-)
Nice explanation of the B-Uhr developement. Good that it’s done by a native German speaker. Most reviewers butcher the German manufacturer’s names.
I have #22 of 50 Laco B UHR WW2 manual wind replica that Laco made. I received mine in 2008 and love the watch.
Beautiful timepiece and another stellar video! Just noticed this isn't a new video and haven't read the comments but Long Island Watch in New York sells in stock the Laco brand in type A & B..
Made me appreciate my pilot watch collection even more especially my Big Pilot. This is just short and sweet regarding the history and information about the B-Uhr! Awesome video, Tim!
“Imagine Rolex with those cardboard shit.” LMAO... Thanks Tim!
I have the Laco Sterile A-dial, 42 mm. Great watch.
Hi Tim. I'm a big fan of your channel, and the content. One minor observation; the Junkers 88 cockpit picture @2:25 is accompanied with the "Stuka" name, which was not associated with this particular aircraft (that was associated with the Junkers 87 dive bomber). Kind regards.
You're right. Stupid mistake. Sorry and thank you for the correction.
Great review! Thank you for taking the time to educate us 😃
I got the laco aachen a few weeks ago love it .. thx for the review
Another great review. I appreciate the history you presented.
Thank you!
Love the video. Where can i get that strap from. Ive never seen one like this ? Regards david
Good informative video Tim, thanks for sharing 👍
beautiful watch,i like also the Stowa Flieger version 40mm
I love your videos! Thank you for sharing exceptional knowledge.
Thanks a lot for the kind comment.
Oh man, really appreciate all this information in this honest review!
This historical explanation is very instructive, it is a beautiful piece, I definitely cannot afford something like that, so I am satisfied with my type B homage, because I love this model and its history, and you my friend, (if you allow me to call you that) very eloquent in your comments You have enlightened me quite a bit about the original purpose of this watch. So thank you and best regards. From México 👍🏼
Thanks for watching! Glad to hear that people still like this video.
This -according to my knowledge- is a B-Uhr with a B-dial. Can you elaborate also on the A-dial?
I've just bought a Stowa Flieger with A-dial and love it.
Nice video!
Great video Tim as always. I have a Laco Speyer and they are great watches. They also, as you alluded to, sell cheaper versions which still have most of the key attributes of the genre. Also they are lovely people to deal with. Still a family business I believe. Totally recommend Laco. One other thing is that the lume is normally brilliant. On a separate note: what do you think of the risk of radium on the original antique models?
The risk is there for watchmakers, who actually work with the hands. Speyer is a perfect thing. Very puristic but everything is in place.
Hi Tim!
Would it be correct to say that Laco's cases are more faithful to the original WWII fliegers than Stowa's cases?
Hard to tell. In information about that would demand a direct comparison of both brands with an actual WW2 piece. Actually a pretty cool video idea but the loser will just hate me :-)
Does the bronze watch come in 42mm?
Excuse me Tim. So you can actually break the watch if you pull the crown to position one (date setting) and turn it around midnight and break the movement. No?
I didn't try it. But would be insane, or what do you think? My guess is that there is no date unit you could damage with that kind of action.
Caseback Watches I think it depends on how the movement is modified inside. If you feel clicks as you turn the crown in the first position then it might cause some damage.
Hello everybody,
Thanks for the review.
So it has a ghost date function? At this price point?
Do all the no-date Type B models from Laco have ghost date function?
It may not be important for many people. But a ghost date function for me it is like a watch not having a dedicated movement for its model, and a way of saving money for the manufacturer.
Would this affect the movement if we set the time between 9pm and 3am?
I am considering getting one, that's why I am asking too.
Sehr schön erklärt; eine interessante Uhr im Retrodesign.
Good video , as usual. you're the man🤟
Great video. Very informative and great presentation. thx
Thanks for watching!
I heard that IWC made the fewest watches, between 1000 to 2000 pieces.
Thank you for sharing your take on this interesting watch and it’s origins. Even though I have an 8” wrist, the reproduction version may actually be more suitable for me.
Peace 🏴
Ein wirklich historische Uhr!
Sehr tolles Video, danke schön!
Grüße aus Texas🇺🇸🇩🇪
Danke!
Another excellent video! Thank you.
the Aged dial is GORGEOUS.
personally i prefer this dial on a steel case. i'm afraid i may get tired of the Bronze after a while... thanks for the great review.
Thanks for watching!
Can you please review the Laco Erbstuck models and whether fake patina fleiger watches are worth it.
The Laco Original series can’t be beat for the most historically accurate B-Uhren, aesthetically speaking. I bought myself a Dortmund a month ago. I plan to get the Westerland as well, and maybe both in bronze also. The Bremerhaven is also very nice. All three models are Handaufzug/hand winding.
Yes, I’m a big Laco fan. ;)
Edit: There’s a really great book on these watches by Konrad Knirim - Militäruhren: Die Uhren der deutschen Streitkräfte 1870 bis 1990. I’m unsure if there’s an English edition but as I can read a fair bit of German this edition is fine for me. I’ll try to find one and post the title here if there is.
Edit:
There is.
Konrad Knirim - German Military Timepieces 150 Years Watches and Clocks of German Forces (Volume 1)
ISBN 3-89355-232-4
Volume 2 is British timepieces.
Herr Knirim’s website: www.knirim.de/english.htm
Niels Schmidten
Cool, I only have the German only version.
Niels Schmidten
Indeed.
My edition is from 1998. Likely why it’s only German.
Im a huge fan, btw! I have been thinking about whic bronze watch I should get, and even though you recomended an Oris 65, I cant not get the Aquis I have been craving for 2 years! Anyways...Laco bronze flieger or Laco?
Love WW2 history. So this wasn't as boring as I thought it would be.
Hi Tim, at 2:29 you are referencing a Ju88 as Stuka. Stukas were Ju87 which were single engine dive bombers. Ju88 was a medium twin engine bomber. The cockpit picture is from the Ju88. So just get rid of the “Stuka“ reference. Thx.
Very nice, I'm looking to get a pilot's watch soon. Awhile back, you did a video on the correct pronunciation of German watch brands. I was wondering if you could give the correct pronunciation of the brand "Archimede" in your next video? Thanks!
Informative video dear Tim. I don't know what to buy: type A or type B Uhr. What's your choice? Greetings from Belgium 🇧🇪
Thanks. I would buy Type A, but only as a personal preference.
@@CasebackWatches Thank you for sharing your opinion! I'm visiting Aachen this week. I'll take a look at the Laco Augsburg 39 😎
i was wondering though, did the allied forces have something similar to the flieger? how about the japanese?
start asking on youtube or type it in on your browser.
Tim
a recent subscriber, nice to see a watch channel which isn't hosted by a Rolex 'fanboy' 😊
I may have missed something but is this watch a 'recreation' or an actual genuine watch ?
I think its fantastic
thanks
Thanks for the subscription, Tony! The watch is genuine. It's a small edition but still available on the Laco website.
It's a modern recreation, to be an authentic original WWII it would be 55mm diameter.
Beautiful
Outstanding video!
I have theory about B dial that minutes on outside were there because minutes and seconds are the same makings... And seconds were super important for precise bombing. This watches were all about precision of seconds so that could be that (also i love how sec hand on bouth Aand B Dial sec hand reaches all the way over the marker so you cant miss read the sec, sutch a good design).
Inner circle in 24 h in stead of 12 markings could be explained by the fact that bombings were at night and to have faster and more precise infos they communicated them like that. Also you need moment to translate 9h to 21h but you know by hart 0 to 12 reading so there could be something about fast comunication. Anyhow I hope someone could facts to this
The Laco Type B Flieger you referred us to on Amazon uses a Miyota 621S.....which does not hack......
That's true. I've marked them as entry level pieces. The bronze watch is another price region.
which is your preference: laco or stowa?
Stowa.
You are a funny dude... endeed Laco is the brand for me that is why I own a Friedrichshafen type B, because of the detailed way in which, during that time, the war was run... I think it's a German thing to be so exact...as you beautifully said it to deliver D and D at the right time, very funny :-)))), but true.
A German speaking English with a slight Russian accent. All the more fun since this is about a WW2 watch. Good comprehensive review. Ju88 is not known as a "Stuka" though, just a minor nerdy correction.
Great channel!
My Grandfather used a Laco A Dial during the war in the Luftwaffe!!
I think the bronze case of the Laco goes great with the pre-aged lume color and has the advantage of not being dinged-up like the Erbstück case. To my knowledge, "Anforderz." means "Anforderzeichen", not "Anforderungszahl". The ETA Elaboré movements Laco uses are a bit basic and not to chronometer specs. Some components differ from chronometre, and the movement is regulated to 2 positions instead of 5. There are 2824 no-dates without the date position which is a nice touch, unfortunately not used by Laco.
By the way, isn't there a youth hostel on the site of the former Hamburg naval observatory?
Thanks for the addition. You're right, i confused the sides of the street. There is in fact a youth hostel and the hotel is on the other side.
Excellent. Thx
Such a great Vid...
Cool
Love to GERMANY 🇩🇪 ❤️
I'm with you about the box thing. It's a box people, get over it 😂
Iconic
I've read that Stowa is a better watch than Laco is this so or is it maybe a case of queering the pitch to damn the opposition??
Hallo Tim, habe erst gestern Deinen Kanal gefunden. Super Videos die Du da machst. Nur die Analyse von Archie Luxury fand ich doch etwas erschreckend. Wie man solch einen Lowlife gut finden kann der nur beleidigt und rum flucht, entzieht sich mir. Aber egal. Mach weiter gute Videos und vielleicht zeigst Du uns mal etwas schönes von Hamburg. Ach ja, noch etwas. Was ist das für ein Holzkasten links neben Deinem Schreibtisch? Sieht fast so aus wie ein kleiner Sarg. Lol! ;)
Gruss aus Solingen
Frank S.
Danke schön!
Das ist ein Gitarrenschrank, kein Sarg ;-)
How do you call a crocodile with a map? A Navigator!
I just sent you pictures of my collection to your Facebook page, enjoy and have a great weekend.
Thanks!
Мне нравятся без круг, обычные. Живу в России не знаю как купить
they ship worldwide now so we can all enjoy are fleiger watches and hamburgers at same time
Stuka was ju 87 not 88
Love Hamburg
My grail (I'm a vintage military guy)
Btw. Check out longislandwatch.com for Laco watches in US.
Anforderungszahl durfte wohl eher die angeforderte Stückzahl sein.
Stimmt, klingt plausibel.
@@nielsschmidten6560 Völlig korrekt. Ich komme gerade mit den Kommentaren nicht mehr richtig hinterher. Mein Anspruch ist schon, alles zu lesen und wenn nötig zu kommentieren, aber manchmal bin ich da zu flüchtig. Größere Kanäle haben eine "Social Media Manager", der das dann übernimmt, aber das ist in meinen Augen auch keine wirkliche Lösung.
Also vielen Dank für die Klarstellung und den Link. Die B-Uhren sind schon ein spannendes Thema und ich denke da lernen wir viel, wenn alle ihr Wissen zusammenlegen.
warum muss man als Deutscher englisch sprechen? Hätte mal gerne was über die Uhr in Deutsch gehört
Es gibt doch viele deutschsprachige Uhrenkanäle. Versuch mal den Uhrenratgeber zB.
Bae Uhr. It's a watch for your girlfriend! :p
Deutschlaaand
"dein Herz in Flammen...."
What is the reason to wear and glorify a watch that was pate of the SS uniform? It would be like wearing a shirt or boots that are an exact replica of a Nazi soldier's uniform every day! The story should not be forgotten but this seems a bit exaggerated. There are many other watches to be appreciated!
The biggest influence for the SS uniform came from an old cavalry unit. You find a video about this here on the channel.
I've never heard that they've used the layout of a flieger watch for that uniform. Do you have a source?
@@CasebackWatches No specific source, I apologize if this is inaccurate but I personally use the term "Nazi soldier" or "SS" as a generic term to define a person belonging to the Nazi army during the Second World War, regardless of whether they are navy, air force or infantry.
@@damiano_damiano My grandfather avoided being in the SS, but he could not avoid part-time duty in the army. They were not seen as the same thing back then by the local people.
Erbstük , I want one 😮