Considering that I always enjoyed how flashy Bayonetta was in Smash 4, I'm glad that she's far more balanced in this game so I don't have to worry about cheering for her while she was OP. It also helps that many consider her to be a mid tier, before Bloom and Lima started pulling good results. Cheering for the underdog mid tier is always fun as well.
The only downside I have with bayo is that many of her moves look somewhat similar especially side B and up B which are the most used moves. So when she goes for ladder combos, you feel like you are watching the smae move being spammed for 10 seconds. At 2:10 I like how it is expressed, the string look guarantied but are dependant on SDI and because of the moves' design, you can't see it appreciate it fully when watching them play.
@@fourniervictor9354 I disagree. The moves have the same style of particle effects, but none of them look the same. Especially since all of her moves do different things. I mean, her specials go in completely different directions, sound different, and have different knockback, and her aerials are all unique
@@fourniervictor9354 that kind of criticism is something I’ve heard for Min Min, but that’s more justified since she legitimately has huge overlaps between her moves, entirely consisting of forward punches and nair
As Tweek mentioned in his podcast Bayo is also very anti-META, she beats or goes even with every popular character right now besides Aegis. Kazuya Steve Minmin Sonic Wario Rob Palu ZSS Roy, etc she either shits on or goes even. Like she randomly does good against almost every top tier. The characters that used to demolish Bayo like Olimar, Pichu, GW, Snake, have all become unpopular or underrepresented. Bayo is also just like a hard MU check. You have to play really good grounded neutral to avoid ABK and also be patient due to witch time/reversals and know the quirks of her moves. She's bizarre and annoying to fight.
@@thistamndypo The sonic MU is even. The thing is bayo hates getting camped but she also has amazing camping; shes very hard to catch. So with sonic/joker you get the lead and run away and camp and they lose, and vise versa. its just whoever gets the lead first; so most top bayos believe its even. According to Marss Bayo is like very high tier if she has the lead, because she cant approach/has no neutral; but her punish game is broken, so camping via a lead forces the opponent to come to you so she can abuse punishing and avoid approaching
4:12 as someone who both mains bayonetta and loves her games this edit made me squeal like a kid on christmas IT'S SO GOOD Edit: they use it multiple times I want to kiss the editor
I've been saying for a while now that Bayo is a good character. After the buffs of course. But so many people doubted the character. Glad to see Lima going to stuff again.
@@verfuncht I wasn't comparing the two. Lima is from my region and I've barely seen him go to anything recently so I'm just happy to see him going to stuff again.
Look, idk about saying Bayo is "good" because "good" leave a lot of room. Good could be usable. Good could mean broken. There could be many levels, but no one would know. I wouldn't say Bayo is as good as let's say falco, falcon, Wario, or other characters like that, but she's usable. Without a doubt, they earned the good praise they got rm
I haven't seen the video yet so I'm going to list my opinions first then edit in a response. Bayonetta"s recent success is stems from one reason I don't think can be denied. It might even have her show up on people's top 20s later on if the meta develops and that reason is: Bayonetta's Weighted MU spread went up. Correct me if I'm wrong but Bayo wins against Steve, Kazuya, Rob, and Aegis right? She can escape air tight combos, has decent mobility, and probably commits war crimes on characters like Rob with a big hurtbox and Aegis who have less recovery resources than Little Mac. They've gotten more popular and likely to run in bracket hence why Bayo's WMU scale has increased favorably. Lemme watch and see if I was close and comment below if you want to add anything or correct me on Bayo's matchup spread. Edit: Oh. It's a playstyle comparison vid. Whoops, but hey, I am glad they're making this a regular thing. Honestly, this does bring up a wrench: While Bayonetta's WMU scale is getting higher, it means nothing when as they said, it takes a character specialist to main her, and those are few and far between. So even if the meta favors Bayonetta, it means nothing if the number of players can't rise to effectively shift the meta in a place where now people have to counterpick her to make a new meta entirely, which was my hope.
I see and I agree. It's both. If people were able to pick up Bayo in Sm4sh, then it won't be that hard in Ultimate. Look at how hard Kazuya and Steve are. They are hard to master. So they powercrept the meta even though we knew they was gonna be crazy. Who's to say that can't happen to Bayonetta again?
Bayonetta and Ike are the same. (Funny considering I main both) Ike came into the meta blazing on the back of MKLeo, and perception of him was considered High or Low-Top Tier. After the meta learned how to deal with him, he went into Mid Tier where he truly belongs. Bayonetta is doing this now. While nobody is going THAT far with her, people are beginning to believe she is better than what they had thought before. Whether this is a one off thing or not, we'll see. Either way, love to see it.
@@luischeco3009 I get what you mean but Bayo has one thing going against her: The Stigma. Take Pikachu for instance: People refuse to main him religiously like unless you're Esam who's been mailing him from Day 1, you can't touch Pika out of principle
she kind struggle against aegis but she can give them a good fight, is a -1 MU in my opinion, but yeah kazuya, steve and rob suffer against her, at least that's how i feel it as a bayo main
being constructive here, no hate, i think the commentator could tune it down a little bit. the emphasis on the words was a lot for me, felt like he was spitting the words at me especially during the intro. otherwise fantastic vid:)
@@imaok10 " always has been a very viable character and always had great tools" not always bayo became a character in update 8.0 when min min came out as she got buffs that made her strengths actually work but before 8.0 she was a low or even a bottom tier
Considering that I always enjoyed how flashy Bayonetta was in Smash 4, I'm glad that she's far more balanced in this game so I don't have to worry about cheering for her while she was OP. It also helps that many consider her to be a mid tier, before Bloom and Lima started pulling good results. Cheering for the underdog mid tier is always fun as well.
The only downside I have with bayo is that many of her moves look somewhat similar especially side B and up B which are the most used moves. So when she goes for ladder combos, you feel like you are watching the smae move being spammed for 10 seconds. At 2:10 I like how it is expressed, the string look guarantied but are dependant on SDI and because of the moves' design, you can't see it appreciate it fully when watching them play.
@@fourniervictor9354 I disagree. The moves have the same style of particle effects, but none of them look the same. Especially since all of her moves do different things. I mean, her specials go in completely different directions, sound different, and have different knockback, and her aerials are all unique
@@fourniervictor9354 that kind of criticism is something I’ve heard for Min Min, but that’s more justified since she legitimately has huge overlaps between her moves, entirely consisting of forward punches and nair
The game cheats against her. She is only decent now because of a ton of band aid "fixes" she got.
She’s high tier lololol
4:40 for real though, that play was sick
I hate Ultimate Bayo with a passion, and even I will admit that play was a cool use of Bayo's tool kit.
@@drakejoshofficialyoutubech5569 still better than g&w
@@MrMelonGuy42 Not going to disagree with you there. I only said that I hate her with a passion, not that she's my least favorite character to fight
@@MrMelonGuy42 G&W is atrocious. I can't believe he's this good lol.
@@MrMelonGuy42 Lmao no G&W is way less cringe than her
I’m so happy I am witnessing the Bayonetta Renaissance in Ultimate.
Keep up the great work, Lima and Bloom!!
Lima’s been an actual genius since smash 4 it’s just hard to tell because you didn’t have to be as good as Lima to win with bayo.
Bloom4Eva & Lima winning with Bayo is such good PR since Bayonetta 3 is right around the corner.
"Right on time." As Bayonetta would say.
The analysis on this is great!
Love to see Bayonetta doing well in ultimate ❤
I’ve been waiting for this since last week. I'm surprised at how well these two play an almost forgotten character.
That duel screen double KO edit in the first 30 seconds was so clean
As Tweek mentioned in his podcast Bayo is also very anti-META, she beats or goes even with every popular character right now besides Aegis. Kazuya Steve Minmin Sonic Wario Rob Palu ZSS Roy, etc she either shits on or goes even. Like she randomly does good against almost every top tier. The characters that used to demolish Bayo like Olimar, Pichu, GW, Snake, have all become unpopular or underrepresented.
Bayo is also just like a hard MU check. You have to play really good grounded neutral to avoid ABK and also be patient due to witch time/reversals and know the quirks of her moves. She's bizarre and annoying to fight.
Bayo players are everywhere on Elite Smash, now. She's definitely anti-Meta
Bayo struggles against being camped and Sonic is the king of camping
@@thistamndypo The sonic MU is even. The thing is bayo hates getting camped but she also has amazing camping; shes very hard to catch. So with sonic/joker you get the lead and run away and camp and they lose, and vise versa. its just whoever gets the lead first; so most top bayos believe its even. According to Marss Bayo is like very high tier if she has the lead, because she cant approach/has no neutral; but her punish game is broken, so camping via a lead forces the opponent to come to you so she can abuse punishing and avoid approaching
@@RoryRenee24 Update: as of last week, Lima thinks Sonic is one of her worst matchups
4:12 as someone who both mains bayonetta and loves her games this edit made me squeal like a kid on christmas IT'S SO GOOD
Edit: they use it multiple times I want to kiss the editor
Get this guy to do all the narration!! Way better than the rest!!
nah
Thatcomona does a pretty good job too. Id love to see both narrators be regulars for prstats videos!
who is this brit in my pgstats video and why is his voice so good 🤨🤨🤨
I know right. It’s so calming
NutRoast, an English commentator :)
@@skuttler1796 knew it was my goat,, ive met him irl hes so lovely
Right when another Bayonetta 3 trailer got released, too.
Also lima take 2nd placed at first attack recently
I've been saying for a while now that Bayo is a good character. After the buffs of course. But so many people doubted the character. Glad to see Lima going to stuff again.
Bloom was the one to win a major
@@verfuncht
I wasn't comparing the two. Lima is from my region and I've barely seen him go to anything recently so I'm just happy to see him going to stuff again.
Look, idk about saying Bayo is "good" because "good" leave a lot of room. Good could be usable. Good could mean broken. There could be many levels, but no one would know. I wouldn't say Bayo is as good as let's say falco, falcon, Wario, or other characters like that, but she's usable. Without a doubt, they earned the good praise they got rm
It's really the players that are good, not the character
I just wish they didnt lower the witch time effect at higher percents but its not too bad now
5:20 this through me off soo much, thought it was an ad 😂
so happy to get nutroast on this he was a natural :) hope u guys enjoyed the analysis on this !! was a pleasure to write another video
5:25 Jumpscared the hell outta me lol
nutroast has such a cool voice, please bring him back
When are you gonna drop the aMSa video?
4:12 This entire segment just looks so sick
I always thought Bayo still had a lot of potential, even if she's not as saucy as in Smash 4
Yooo we got Nutroast on the voice over?? Let's fucking goooo
My brother in Christ, where is the amsa video?
I can definitely see one coming
:3
you
@@pgstats him
This guy
Is there actually not gonna be a First Attack video?… damn :,(
Well thismis the only good news regarding Bayonetta today.
They made Bayonetta cool what the fuck
The editing in this video is absolutely beautiful
Nutroast on pgstats? awesome
Who is doing the voiceover, it sounds amazing!
The absolute redemption arc for Lima, from the person who ruined EVO to carrying Bayo on his back
Bayo hasn’t been this good since the smash 4 era
PG stats X Top Gear
TheMightyDialga solos these jits
True
I haven't seen the video yet so I'm going to list my opinions first then edit in a response. Bayonetta"s recent success is stems from one reason I don't think can be denied. It might even have her show up on people's top 20s later on if the meta develops and that reason is: Bayonetta's Weighted MU spread went up. Correct me if I'm wrong but Bayo wins against Steve, Kazuya, Rob, and Aegis right? She can escape air tight combos, has decent mobility, and probably commits war crimes on characters like Rob with a big hurtbox and Aegis who have less recovery resources than Little Mac. They've gotten more popular and likely to run in bracket hence why Bayo's WMU scale has increased favorably. Lemme watch and see if I was close and comment below if you want to add anything or correct me on Bayo's matchup spread.
Edit: Oh. It's a playstyle comparison vid. Whoops, but hey, I am glad they're making this a regular thing. Honestly, this does bring up a wrench: While Bayonetta's WMU scale is getting higher, it means nothing when as they said, it takes a character specialist to main her, and those are few and far between. So even if the meta favors Bayonetta, it means nothing if the number of players can't rise to effectively shift the meta in a place where now people have to counterpick her to make a new meta entirely, which was my hope.
I see and I agree. It's both.
If people were able to pick up Bayo in Sm4sh, then it won't be that hard in Ultimate.
Look at how hard Kazuya and Steve are. They are hard to master. So they powercrept the meta even though we knew they was gonna be crazy.
Who's to say that can't happen to Bayonetta again?
Bayonetta and Ike are the same. (Funny considering I main both)
Ike came into the meta blazing on the back of MKLeo, and perception of him was considered High or Low-Top Tier. After the meta learned how to deal with him, he went into Mid Tier where he truly belongs.
Bayonetta is doing this now. While nobody is going THAT far with her, people are beginning to believe she is better than what they had thought before. Whether this is a one off thing or not, we'll see.
Either way, love to see it.
@@luischeco3009 I get what you mean but Bayo has one thing going against her: The Stigma. Take Pikachu for instance: People refuse to main him religiously like unless you're Esam who's been mailing him from Day 1, you can't touch Pika out of principle
she kind struggle against aegis but she can give them a good fight, is a -1 MU in my opinion, but yeah kazuya, steve and rob suffer against her, at least that's how i feel it as a bayo main
aMSa video when?? and please use one of the good commentators for it
The commentators are all great
every bayo ive met has caused me mental ptsd
from the players humliatig me to the dreadful match up
It is dreadful? what character do you play?
"Bl-uu-d4eva
Nice
More nutroast voiceovers PLEASE
To be totally honest, I have nothing nice to say about Bayo, so I'll just say "Good for them."
Don't be "That Guy"
you know, respectable enough.
I don’t know how you couldn’t love this tho
Well that does make you "that guy" but I do respect your opinion
@@KevSB07 Character is cancer
"majors"
1:24 ahahah, my local scene has two local bayos and one that comes pretty regularly from another city. This character is BULLSHIT
Facts. The character cheats so hard. Chances are, ABK beats your character
Let’s go nutroast
When the
being constructive here, no hate, i think the commentator could tune it down a little bit. the emphasis on the words was a lot for me, felt like he was spitting the words at me especially during the intro. otherwise fantastic vid:)
Guys a Brit. Gotta learn how they talk mate
Agreed. Like his voice but it feels a bit overkill with the delivery at points.
That's just how many brits talk bro
bayonetta is not a mid tier. always has been a very viable character and always had great tools
wish she was a mid tier tho 👀
@@imaok10 " always has been a very viable character and always had great tools" not always bayo became a character in update 8.0 when min min came out as she got buffs that made her strengths actually work but before 8.0 she was a low or even a bottom tier
Ew
no way ppl still complaining bout bayo 🥲
How come? Most annoying character to fight in the game
@@willycheez7218 not even close
@@echospace7347 Wrong. It is pretty close between Bayo, Sonic, Steve and some others. But Bayo is the clear pick