Am I the only one who felt bad for Ultron? His human side ended up making his character more unique and better than other marvel villains. He'll definitely be one of my favorite marvel villains.
Yeah totally, there were loads of those moments. When he said he supposed to be "beautiful" but the avengers had taken it away from him in the form of vision. "When they see they'll understand, they'll understand". At the end he says to sw "You need to leave or you'll die" in a really sad caring tone even after whom he just killed. And his quiet singing too. And his last scene. I felt bad for him too.
Jimmy Her i only wish he would of fought hand to hand with with at least a couple of avengers at the end (i would have,iced all of them ) he pulled in iron man in the wakanda scene but at the end of the movie he only got in a little fight with vision . other than that he was great. ****oh and that little tug as war with thor wasn't really a fight either
***** Yeah, but that isn't fair. Because Loki had multiple movies to develop. If Marvel decides to use Ultron again, then Ultron can easily become a better villain.
Watched it twice now and both times the entire cinema was shocked and dismayed at Quicksilver's death. I know some people didn't connect with him, but we did. My sister and I were still hoping he'd magically be resurrected because he was actually a character we were getting behind. I really did like him actually. That scene hit hard. At least in my opinion,
Things I liked: • Opening Action scene. • Great Action. • Hawkeye Development. • Ultron. • Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver. • Hulk Vs Iron Man. • Vision. • New Avengers. Things I didn't Like: • Strucker Wasted. • No Loki Scene. • What happened to the Wakanda woman in Thor's Cave Scene? • Ultron Having Jokes when he should be serious. • Hulk & Widows Love interest. • Quicksilver's Death.
Sonix625 No...they were very close, but I think that the first one was just barely better. The parts of this movie with Natasha Romanov and Bruce Banner hooking up were extremely dumb, and the whole thing with Thor and the magic pool was pointless. The original Avengers doesn't have any moments like that.
I like it overall, but my main problem is the villain. I'm extremely disappointed by Ultron. He never accomplishes anything and can't threaten a fly. Avengers weren't even hurt by the party fight, he failed to threaten the Avengers in Wakanda (something that twins did), failed to acquire the nuke codes, he lost two powerful allies in the Maximoffs, then he lost Vision's body and then he lost access to his machine... Marvel stills struggling with villains as far as I'm concerned. Great thing in the first Avengers is the fact that Loki kicked the crap out of Cap, then trashed a SHIELD Helicarrier before killing Coulson... Ultron could barely fight Cap alone in the roof of that semi-trailer truck.
mrcooldeadly85 MMM.. Sorry Both Zod and Faora were true villains and Zod intent to destroy a whole race to bring his back shows how powerful of a villain he is.
Mozts1 I couldn't agree more. Ultron was my biggest problem. I wanted him to drive the Avengers to their limit, but he got his shiny metal ass handed to.
Like: Andy Serkis and The Vision monologue. Dislike: Ultron creates a "meteor" because he couldn't hack the military launch codes (Tony Stark could in two minutes) and the Hulk/Black Widow love story. Maybe I'm old, but to much CGI action bored me now.
When they said they had a friend helping them online or whatever it was I knew it was Jarvis. Pretty well sign posted, I can't understand how you didn't get that lol. 'Just launch nukes man' lol lol lol.
Love it... all the plot holes get fixed with one line. Like in the "Thank you for smoking" scene: 'Thank God we invented the... you know, whatever device.'. lol
I think one major hero that "dies" in this movie that everyone is overlooking is Jarvis. Maybe Tony can recreate Jarvis, although he kind of did, and Jarvis evolved into Vision. However, I think Jarvis is pretty much out of the picture as far as Marvel movies are concerned because it would be weird to have Jarvis and Vision occupy screen time together. So, I think while we mourn or discuss the loss of an underdeveloped character like Quicksilver, we really need to take time to "pour one out for our homey," Jarvis, who was a far more developed character in his own right.
Yeah Moe These movies have a lot of new and exciting things. You have your own opinion but you make me wonder what movie you were watching. I give this movie 9/10. Kicks Furious 7s ass.
Yeah Moe Well I kind of disagree, but I won't go into that aha. But you have to agree that the first Avengers (whether liked or not) was probably one of the most important films for this genre. It opened the doors for teamups and was the last cog in the concept of having a comic book shared universe and having it pulled off expanding the potential of the genre.
Beowulf Adrinor To me it just felt like the 1st. One liners and too much humor. The end fight was just like the 1st. Ultron was rushed and in the trailer they made him look like a badass but he was weak in the movie.
For me it goes 1. Captain America: The Winter Soldier 2. Iron Man 3. Avengers 4. Avengers: Age of Ultron 5. Captain America: The First Avenger 6. The Incredible Hulk 7. Thor 8. Iron Man 3 9. Thor: The Dark World 10. Guardians of the Galaxy (yes I hate goofy movies with shit villains) 11. Iron Man 2
One of my biggest unanswered questions from the movie was the origin of the twins' powers. Was there an explanation that I missed? I heard rumors a while back that their powers originated from Loki's staff, but that isn't shown in the movie. We know that the staff was there, but so was a bunch of other stuff. Agents of Shield has been pushing Inhumans pretty hard, so I was expecting some Inhumans connection for the twin, but no, that didn't happen.
A Morgan They were test subjects willingly with others but they were the only ones who survived the tests. Granting there powers. I have only seen it once so I might be wrong.
Anyone else think the Thanos after-credits scene would have made more sense at the end of Guardians of the Galaxy? Especially as that movie had Ronan finding the stone for Thanos but then not bringing it to him. Why is Thanos all in a huff after Age of Ultron? No-one failed him in this movie. This after-credits scene should have been moved to the end of Guardians, after the Howard the Duck bit of course, and AoU should have been Black Panther tracking down an injured Uylesses Claw or an introduction to Spidey.
disasterblast Maybe he planned for ultron to bring it to him once he entered his new body. Remember before thor left, he said that it was no coincidence that three stones where in play on earth, and that someone was working behind the scenes. Maybe Ultron did have some strings attached.
I think they also had to kill Quicksilver because super speed can solve almost all problems they have in comic book movies. Now they dont have to think about it all the time and come up with reasons why Quicksilver couldnt solve everything in future movies. They had to leave QS behind in DoFP for the same reason, even tho it didnt make sense to not ask him for help. He would just make everything too easy.
This quicksilver is more like the comics version. Xmen quicksilver was overpowered...like the Flash is with the speed force. The flash is literally like the most powerful JL member.
This review actually made me love the movie more than I thought I did because the panel explained a lot that I did not notice or took for granted. However, I 1000% agreed with everything Schnepp said. My impression of the movie is exactly the same.
I'm honestly starting to think I watched a different movie, because I thought it was a let down. The heroes never actually seemed like they were in danger, because the villain was so lame. One of the four characters (Pietro) who actually liked died, all because he couldn't dodge a bullet, even though he had no problem doing so with Thor's hammer. I even hear people say this is the MCU's best film, it doesn't come close to Winter Soldier or the first Avengers film. Maybe it needs a repeat viewing.
TheoKabala89 Exactly! I knew I wasn't the only one that could be thinking this, seen plenty of people post the same now. Ultron was pathetic. He lost every single fight he had. Not to mention having him throw out bad jokes non stop. His robot army didn't do jack shit. The movie had zero tension.
***** Zero tension and sense of dread is the exact description. A movie about a power AI, who has a robot army should make the viewer feel like the heroes CAN lose. I never got that sense.
TheoKabala89 I thought it was good that Ultron was´t overpowered. That whould just disapoint how he gets deafeated. Do you remember the scene when Pietro got shoot through the arm by a policeman? But now I don´t remember. Did he move Hawkeye, take the shoots or put a car to protect him. Becuse I don´t remember clearly.
Also took me awhile to work out if I liked Age of Ultron more than the first one... But after I watched again.. I realised yes I do. I genuinely think that the first one was awesome obviously,, but I do think that the first one was special because its the first time we've ever seen anything like this happen on the big screen. It was a unique and awesome experience. But personally I loved Ultron better after my second viewing, for many reasons that would take to long to write on here :P
Yeah I agree.I think If Age of Ultron came out before, Avengers. and the first Avengers was the sequel. people would say that it wasnt as good as Age of Ultron.
I think Shnepp was right, the pacing was way off in spots. Ultron really came out of nowhere when he needed more build up. I personally didn't really care for Ultron as a character. I didn't expect an old school robot, but I did not expect it to have THAT much personality, it got that to the point he was annoying. Ultimatey, this film suffers from every Superhero sequel, by adding too many characters. Spider-Man 2 is the only one to focus on one villain and that is it.
In films, I usually judge my enjoyment on the film on how the characters are handled. I'm a big character guy, and that is as far as I can tell the only big problem I have with the first Avengers, the bad management of Hawkeye. It is that reason that I personally believe that Age of Ultron is better than the first. I loved how they handled Hawkeye in this film, as well as side characters like the twins. I surprisingly really grown to like Quicksilver, which shocked me due to my love of the DofP depiction. As well as the character development, I also really liked the action sequences and the dialogue between characters. There are so many quotable pieces of dialogue in this film. I'm watching the film for a third time very soon. Maybe my opinion will slightly change at some point but at the moment it is my second favorite MCU film, below Cap 2.
Its_only_martin (Forgot to say) I liked Cap 2 the most, because of the character use again, as well as the fantastic action sequences and chemistry between everyone... As well as the villain/not villain that is The winter soldier, which I feel is underapprectiated when people talk about the lack of great Marvel villains, but that may be because he isn't really evil at all and is instead being Hawkeye'd ( Brainwashed )
Its_only_martin So quicksilver was a big character to you? A well rounded Deep character? Cause except for a speach about why they hate Stark he barely said anything. He just stood next to his sister looking confused.
Funny... I rate my enjoyment of films primarily on depth of themes, and again, this one came out on top. Sure, the theme of AIs becoming self-aware isn't exactly the most original, but I'll let that go because the same themes existed in the comics far prior to the Terminator franchise which really brought them to the masses. While the first film was fun, and there's no denying that, it was just that: fun. There was very little in terms of character development, very little in terms of story and motivations which was new, and again, the themes weren't that deep. I mean come on, 'teamwork saves the day' is basically the main theme of the first movie. In this film, there is more in terms of character development, that much cannot be denied. There is much more in terms of story and motivations, especially with Tony Stark/Iron Man, Steve Rogers/Captain America and Clint Barton/Hawkeye. And then, we come back to the themes, which are deeper and more meaningful than in the first. I've pinned down exactly why the first seems so far to be the preferred option: the achievement of putting these heroes together on screen overwhelmed the eyes of critics and fans alike. It clouded their judgements, and I'll include myself in the list of those people. But with a great deal of them, they still cannot see clearly on this issue. Myself, I gave the first film a solid 9/10 when it came out. In hindsight, it's dropped to around 6-7/10 since then, and not just because I was fanboying over the sequel. This second one I give a solid 8.5-9/10. But come back to me in three years, maybe this one holds up about as well as the first one to my scrutiny.
basquat76 He was developed enough tot he point where most of us liked him enough. It was a high concept film with a lot more characters than the first, yet it handled each of them more carefully than the first did with it's characters. Granted, Quicksilver wasn't particularly handled perfectly but he did have cool moments and some good lines to which we felt more for him than we did for Hawkeye in the first Avengers. What I was trying to judge this film by ( in terms of character handling) was comparing Hawkeye, even against himself in both films. If Hawkeye died in the battle on NY in the first film, I doubt anybody would have cared. However in this film, when it seemed Hawkeye was going to die, it felt more emotional. Use this to consider Quicksilver too. When he died, people in my cinema gasped and other even said how sad it was. I feel that was a good indication as too how his character was developed to the point where he was significant. Sorry about the long 'rant' like message, I'm not trying to seem angry/ agressive, I just ramble a lot.
Its_only_martin Ah see there it was. Cool moments. A cool moment isn't the same a character development. He went from bad to good without a real explanation. From wanting Stark dead and ready to destroy half the World to do so, to saving Hawkeye, who he didn't even have a real conversation with except calling him old man a few times. This movie is so weak in it's character Development. Hawkeye has a Family. Hulk and token women has a thing for each other. It's chapter 1 in character development.
Yep, feel the same as Schnepp regarding the pacing. Wish there's more story & dialogues in between all the actions to build up the characters more. Good thing we'll have the 3.5 to 4 hours extended version coming out on Blu-Ray. I think that version will be PERFECT. Cannot wait!!
I agree, I really liked their chemistry for most of the movie, that one line just stuck out to me, also I couldn't help but hear the sad hulk music when hulk is flying away in the plane at the end lol , still loved the movie though !
Cring0r Now I have to go back to see the movie just to listen better to that scene. Everything John pointed out as missing I caught the first time but I watch very intently and alone in a theater with probably 10 people all together due to it being 11am.
I enjoyed the movie, but I didn't really care for: - Bruce and Natasha's relationship - Hulk (surprisingly). Just not as good as he was in the first movie. And Bruce didn't feel like he had much to do in this movie and came off was "whatever" and "bland/dull". Which leads up back to Phase 1 and why Hulk deserves a sequel more than any of the other heroes, because he STILL HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET ONE. - Some of the pointless conflicted moments and drama And yeah, I think the Hulk and Black Widow thing was my main issue with the movie. I just didn't care for them coming together, and Hulk/Bruce came off as annoying to me at some parts. And I think it's because we haven't had another Hulk movie with Mark Ruffalo. I really want one now! Also, some of the Marvel humor and the same formula they use for their movies can get old. I fear that it will get to a point where it gets generic. I mean, I came out of this movie excited, but at the same time, not feeling the same way when I come out of other Marvel movies. I think it all comes down to the fact that this Marvel formula of "HEROES MAKE WITTY DIALOGUE, BECOME CONFLICTED, BUT AT THE END, ALWAYS COME TOGETHER FOR A BIG EPIC BATTLE AGAINST A "WHATEVER" VILLAIN". The Avengers did it, Iron Man 3 did it, Cap 2 did, and now Avengers 2 did it, AGAIN.
SS4xG-ultimate And this leads me to another issue with Marvel movies I've been reminded of. I feel like it's getting TOO BIG. I understand why and still love their movies, but everything's getting TOO BIG and possibly TOO OVER-THE-TOP (the over-the-top thing might be a nitpick). And sometimes, there feels like there are no stakes, which is why I appreciated that someone died in this movie and it wasn't who we expected. Call me crazy, but am I the only one who's kind of missing the days when heroes had more personal, solo adventures? The days of Spider-Man 2 and The Dark Knight. Those stories. Every thing in movies feels like it has to be a BIG EVENT thing now and I get it, it makes money, and Batman v Superman is long overdue. But I just hope Marvel keeps in mind that their solo movies are important to be about their "title hero" and not an AVENGERS 2.5. However, I am looking forward to Civil War and how the Avengers still play into that, so I'm kind of being a hypocrite here. If I could offer Marvel any advice, it would be to beware of TOO MUCH. And by that, I mean I hope that ANT-MAN, DOCTOR STRANGE, CAPTAIN MARVEL, BLACK PANTHER, and especially my favorite superhero SPIDER-MAN don't become Avengers setup movies. And Phase 4 should be about smaller like Phase 1 once was. After all, I kind of miss the days of IRON MAN 1. But I guess I also have to remember that Marvel is beyond just making FUN FEEL-GOOD movies and is a serious movie studio now to the likes of Pixar and Lucasfilm, ironically all owned by Disney as well.
Just like in the early comics, Hulk will be a grouped character instead of having his own series. I'm sure they'd want to give him another chance to shine, but Universal still holds distribution rights
Sjono I understand that decision as Hulk is another reason why the Avengers movies are unique, I guess. I just want more time to get to know Bruce Banner. Avengers: Age of Ultron didn't give me that and couldn't, as only a solo film could. And it doesn't make sense that Universal holds the rights, but won't make another Hulk film? Like, what? Even Sony decided to finally partner with Marvel to do the whole Spider-Man thing. I mean, is Universal even making money from Hulk if they don't make the movies?
Universal would be more than happy to have a solo Hulk movie and make millions of cash. However unlike Sony, they don't have production rights to the character. They'd have to get Disney to create it, which won't happen won't happen because they don't want to share profits.
Sjono Alright, I get it now. Thanks! The fact that a Hulk sequel will probably never happen (at least not until after 2019 or even not in this decade) is sad, but hey, at least he'll show up in the Avengers movies.
Connor Quinn Yeah. The majority of the characters seems like they have the same personality. The tension, drama, and character moments never build because the movie undercut every scene with a joke.
HadesFist Exactly! Mark kept talking about the "darker" moments in the film, my response to that is: what dark moments? Everything that was meant to be serious, Quicksilvers death, Ultron cutting off Klaw's hand, etc all had a joke immediately after.
Luis Gonzalez Exactly my point. I thought the first Avengers had the perfect balance of "Whedonisms" in the film. It feels like they just let him go all out and I feel like the tone kind of ruined the movie for me. Felt similar to the marketing campaign vs the actual film with Iron Man 3. Trailers promised a dark and serious film, actual movie was mostly comedy. Maybe having just watched Daredevil kind of clouded my enjoyment, but damn, I was really disappointed after watching this movie.
I just want to say thank you to John and all of the AMC team. You guys inspired me to start my own channel, Right now I just do reviews, but I plan on starting a podcast soon too.
Oh and great interview with Rudd, and Douglas! When you came on I practically died, I whispering to my friends about this gem called AMC movie news... ;) and then your "peak" onto the show, the clever ad people DIED over the Jedi Council!! So big ups to that! 😉👍
Jaheel Frederick I wholeheartedly agree with Schnepp. And truthfully, if he weren't on this panel, I think this would have been a total love fest, with VERY MINIMAL discussion of the flaws.
***** Yeah man, I almost feel like he wanted to give a lower score but because he was there he would've felt guilty to be the only one giving it a lower score.
***** Its like Star Wars. You have to give people time to enjoy the new movies before focusing to much on any flaws but unlike the prequels I can still suggest people go back and see this again.
***** Hmm, I've been hearing some ppl talking about that.. but what part are you talking about? The slow motion scene when they jump on the screen? That was a cool pose tho, lol
***** The pose was cool, and actually didn't look bad, but the rest of the sequence looked really poorly edited and the CG, for whatever reason, looked unfinished. It's like they worked on it, forgot about it, and decided to put forth their work in other scenes instead.
***** Oh yeah, I did notice some jerky cgi movements with Thor when he flies/lands and fights the Hydra soldiers.. but it wasn't that noticeable to the average moviegoer I bet.. but people like you and me that notices those things in films, I saw it. But I was too hyped to even care lol
***** By the end of the movie, I didn't really care. I suppose it's best that, if any scenes were to look bad in a blockbuster, it better be the first so I don't leave the theater with it in mind.
I loved it! One scene I'm amazed none of you mentioned was the scene when the team first encountered Ultron and Quicksilver and Thor threw his hammer and quicksilver was running so the hammer was going past quicksilver very slowly and quicksilver tried to catch the hammer mid air and it sent quicksilver flying! I thought that was a great funny scene.
Also another thing I loved was the conversation Sam Wilson had with Steve Rogers about the missing person in a way giving an update to Steve about having a hard time find Bucky Barnes.
I just saw this movie today and after watching it, my first thought was its better than the first movie and as I started to think about it more and more, this movie is not good. What really hurt this movie was the pacing of it and the villain. This movie made the same mistakes as Iron Man 3 when they showed the trailers of what kind of villain we were going to be getting and once you see the movie, its not the same as what they showed in the trailers. Look we are 11 plus movies in and still struggling to great a good villain? I can not give this movie a pass and look how easy was it for Ultron to get defeated. You would think for an AI like that is to create a new and improve body and yet doesn't do that and comes across way too human...This movie is not even up there with Captain America: Winter Soldier and GOTG. I give this movie a 6.5/10..at first I was going to give it a 7 or 7.5/10 but the more I think about the more I dislike the things I saw in the movie.
sm4carnageihope and that was the problem, I would agree with the people who said Ultron was a great villain if they had shown just how strong he was but in the end...he was just weak.
blackrock316 Honestly I'm the reverse. Iron Man 3 didn't work for me because the writing takes a huge nosedive after the twist and the movie's logic falls in expense for the jokes. AoU I like more the more I think about it. I find this Ultron to be much more complex, deep, interesting and menacing because of his humanity yet how inhuman his viewpoint is. If he was just stoic and evil he would have been every other evil-AI ever, this is original, different, excellent almost straight up poetic. Moments like the final confrontation between Vision and Ultron just make me love this movie more and more. His humor didn't take away that much either since most of his jokes are presented from his own ideology and personality, like forgetting what children are called is because he honestly doesn't care for "small things as humans". He likes to think that he is above us but something tells me he is aware of his humanity and in his arrogance denies it, that's why he hate Tony so much because both is more similar then Ultron likes them to be. Pacing issues? Yeah I agree. Though there have been movies with worse pacing that aren't even ensemble movies and honestly I wouldn't even say it's that bad. It was to fast but it was consistent, the movie felt like a long intense action sequence. It would be worse if it was inconsistent.
blackrock316 Just saying what I felt. I still like Loki more but out of all the Villains I felt Ultron is the strongest right after Loki in character and personality. On just a power and strength level, yes I kinda agree. He's a powerful villain but close to end they did the same thing they did to Loki, playing his defeat more for laughs. Making him seem physically weaker then he was presented but I think character is more important then physical power.
Both Avengers movies have been incredibly UNDERWHELMING for me. They both have such a blandness to them. Ultron was such a let down, Earth's Mightiest Heroes did a better job with the character and his story than the movie.
ThatOnePixel earths mightiest heroes was the generic terminator killer robot, we got a different type of ultron that was much more original and had substance
I can see how people feel the Ultron origin was rushed. He was an idea, then a quick lab montage, in matter of minutes Ultron is born in a random converge of technology and shortly thereafter Jarvis is seemingly murdered. All that said I understood why it was handled that way, they needed him to exist asap so the story could happen. Vision was quickly assembled, as well, but his creation scene was so dynamic and how he was realized is so impressive I'm not sure you really need more. Could we do with some more conversation about who and what he is, sure, but like Campea said, his ability to lift the hammer speaks volumes. Though given Asgard's whole technomagic thing and Vision is an advanced android, he may have cheated. I felt Quicksilver's death, that if nothing else made Age of Ultron for me. I knew he was going to die having accidentally seen a spoiler, plus me not really liking his character for most of the movie I was surprised how affecting his death was.for me. I agree with Schepp though, it does in retrospect feel like a waster of a potentially more interesting powerful character. I wanted Hawkeye to die, the movie does a fantastic job of displaying his expendability, plus I can't stand Jeremy Renner at this point. One thing I do hope they do with Thanos is make him a legit alien. Movies have habit of making aliens either overtly physically or culturally alien like they do with Groot and Drax or they just throw on some jazzy makeup but the character is in every other way entirely human. Gamora was entirely too human, nothing about her spoke to an alien identity, to the deadly woman she is supposed to be either as an assassin or her being raised by Thanos.
John, the reason Dr Selvig knew information about the magic hot tub was that he was well versed in Norse mythology as a child. This was touched on several times in the prior Thor films...
I watched the 27 hour marathon, Doing that I will say I thought it was better than the first avengers. Honestly you take away the wow factor of seeing the avengers for the first time and your left with a dry plot and a phantom menace ending.
The point you brought up about the under use of Hulk got me thinking, what if, when Ultron is there when the avengers are guarding the trigger, Hulk leaps at him, but Ultron just flicked him off like he was nothing. That would have been cool.
Schnepp totally nailed it. He said all the things I would've said too... it was overall just barely ok because of the weird pacing, but the signature character interactions between the Avengers were great (as befits Whedon's strength as a writer and director) and that was its sole saving grace. *Spoilers ahead* (duh..!) Ultron himself was two pronged to me - while I loved his personality with all his quirks and awesome quip-matches with Stark and also how imposing and threatening he felt physically, chiefly due to Spader's awesome performance and Whedon's masterful dialogues, I felt we were never really shown that he *could* take all the Avengers all on his own except in the first scene a little bit. I didn't buy him as this existential threat to the Avengers - to humanity, sure, he WAS that level of a threat all on his own, but only if there were no Avengers. But I never really got how he'd be that big a threat as long as they were around. I can imagine it, but I felt they didn't really manage to show it. It seemed like Scarlet Witch on her lonesome was a far bigger threat, even with her powers exactly at the same level as they were shown to be. It would've been better if Ultron were to get hold of the Hulkbuster to try and neutralize the Hulk - temporarily at least. I would've also liked it more if they didn't "tease" and foreshadow the Hawkeye death soo freaking much at every opportunity and then have a special separate 'death scene' within the climax, because then it just felt like both those things were just put in there artificially just coz somebody thought "Oh we should have one of them die and lets not do it in an obvious way". That took me out of the movie, several times... through all the Hawkeye death foreshadowing I never bought it and I remember thinking before the final fight, man they have been so heavy handed with this foreshadowing that now either way it turns out - whether Hawkeye lives or dies - its just gonna feel weird and overdone. If you foreshadow it so much and then have him die, it feels like oh we saw that coming from a mile away and if not then it feels like an elaborate distraction was put in there just for the sake of it and just a waste of time... either way it doesn't work for me. I was 80% sure Hawkeye wasn't gonna die precisely because of the heavy handed nature of the foreshadowing but I didn't even care that much even if it were a double bluff and he would have actually died. And as many in the panel said, since I wasn't so attached to the twins' story too much, I didn't care when QS bit it in the end. It was just not done properly I think. it required more subtlety.
Also, you can't deny its been getting mixed reactions, watch THIS video that you're on, listen to some of the complaints they ALL bring up. Alica Malone didnt like it, John schnepp and Kritian harloff had problems with it as well. Explore comment sections of Avengers spoiler videos. Explore the comments in here. Some of the complaints "the stakes weren't as high as i thought it would be" "It felt rushed" "ultron was underdeveloped" "bad russian accent". I really like the film but is it that hard to wrap your head around the idea that some people out there dont like Age of Ultron?! Whats up with the 72% rating on RT? Not suree, im guessing some people didnt like the movie.
Aaron Sanders Jesus christ, asks whats up with the 72% rating when he's on a video where the people on the panel LISTS all the complaints and flaws the movie had. They didn't do that with the first Avengers movie. 72% is still good.
I liked it didn't love it action was great, vision was awesome sorta liked ultron and hawkeye's story was nicely done. However this was filled with plot holes or inconsistencies the visual effects weren't always tight and this movie just didn't pop for me. If give it 6.5 out of 10
Great review guys! I saw Ultron twice already; once with friends and once with my son. I really, really, enjoyed this film and had a blast while watching it! Marvel is just firing on all cylinders right now! "Age of Ultron" was a fun and entertaining film. Josh Whedon did an incredible job with this franchise and now that he's stepping away, I look forward to seeing what the Russo brothers will do with the sequels.
I really liked Age of Ultron. Forget about the whole comic-lore and potential money it was "suppose" to bring in; there are key phylisophical points about humanity that were made. For example, the way Vision said that humans cannot see the difference between order and chaos; much like Ultron did not see a difference in wiping out humanity or saving it, in order to bringforth peace on Earth. Also, when Captain said that innocent people die every time someone tries to prevent a war before it starts. Great quotes of wisdom to ponder on in a superheroes film is what makes this movie great; it provides a time to reflect on ourselves (even as a whole country or planet). Now, if I had to change anything about AOU, it would be to include Hank Pym (original Ant-Man) in the credit of creating ultron, like in the Marvel comics. Tony and Bruce might have taking some of his work notes in creating Ultron, or something like that. Also, the scene where Ultron was able to kidnap Black Widow by the heal, in the last split second after truck explosion in the air; it seemed forced by the studio. And, it feels that the Quicksilver ending was a direct result of Fox releasing their movie-version of this character; but worth the unexpected plot twist. (Also, it brings awareness to the general public about the contractual, movie rights of characters these studios are struggling to own). After all the drama with Joss Whedonon and the MCU, he should do what exactly what J.J. Abrams did when he went from one side of a franchise (Star Trek) to the opposite (Star Wars): JOSS WHEDON SHOULD LEAVE MARVEL MCU AND JOIN WARNER BROS IN MAKING A D.C. MOVIE TO BRING BACK BALANCE TO THE SWEATY, GEEKY UNIVERSE!!! Yes, Age of Ultron was that good. Besides, this movie should never be seen as a single story, it's an essential link to Avengers evolving story line. Just like the paper-printed comics of the the post-millennial dark ages. Also, JW engeniously created two endings in a single movie: one part of the audience thought that Vision and Ultron annialated each other; the other thinks they teleported each other to another part of the galaxy (Thano's Arena?) to "resolve" things. Here's an idea for the Hulk continuation: have the Guardians of the Galaxy abduct Banner to a Planet Hulk. BOOM, WERE YOU LOOKING FOR THIS?! -MR
bestguyintheworld15 I laughed my ass off because it thought he told hawk eye again, "You didn't see that coming?" but he actually said i didn't see that coming which i thought was very stupid anyways but it wasn't that bad the second time i saw it. I give his death an 7/10.
It's funny Maude felt the Twins were a little too "close" considering their incestuous relationship in the Ultimates. Elizabeth Olsen did say she and Aaron tried to in-cooperate some of that "beyond sibling comfort" into their performance. Overall I loved this movie and want to see it again (two times so far).
For me, the Thor Spirit Quest is setting up Ragnarok and Ragnarok sets up Infinity War Part 1 since that is the movie immediately before Infinity War. Also, what happened to the Loki scenes that was cut from the movie? Or the lady in the cloak in Wakanda who was also cut from the movie?
I thought Ultron was going to be more of a force of nature. The first trailer made him seem so menacing he just never reached that level in my opinion. I still enjoyed him as a villain just wanted a little more. Overall I really liked such great action and humor 8/10 for me.
Campea askes why The Hulk cant just go smash Ultron. First of all it would leave a hole in their defense, and second of all, it wouldn't matter. Ultron isn't tied to his body so he would just transfer to one of the others, sure his body wouldn't be as powerful, but his plan would still be in effect.
1. Visual Effects Quality - 8 Quite good overall. 2. Cinematography - 5 Nothing special here. 3. Sound - 7 Above average, but nothing that interesting. 4. Story - 6 Predictable at best, lacking character development in gap between films. 5. Script - 6 Comedy just barely offsets the many cliché lines. 6. Acting - 7 Above average, but nothing phenomenal, props to James Spader's voice. 7. General Impressions - 7 At least the action pieces were decent… Rounded Average: 6.5 Overall Comment: Underwhelming, and worse than the first one.
pablo sanchez naaa Ultron just too generic, another robot bad guy? I mean it's not like we have any ROBOT MOVIE over the last 5 years right? And let's be fair, Ultron got "gang raped" last minute.
I have to agree with Shnepp for almost everything that was mishandled (in my opinion). The pacing seemed so uneven and rushed, the fact that the original cut was 3h30 to 4h00 explains a lot, though I feel like they could have edited it better in terms of pausing for breaths throughout the incessant action (in order to set-up and develop newly introduced characters for example). The Barton house was pretty much the only pause we had not including the party scene. The strengths of this movie definitely lie in the mix of frenetic action, humor and the tone that they create throughout the movie. That being said, the character development was way too unbalanced. Now, the core Avengers team doesn't need anymore deep development given the first Avengers movie and all the stand alone movies set-up and defined these characters very well. However, my statement was rather made to address Hawkeye, Utron, the vision and especially the twins. I felt their powers were intentionally explained very vaguely (and simply) because of their comic book origins (being mutants, connection to Magneto etc.) and the fact that either Whedon wasn't satisfied with being unable to fully expand on those character ties or that he simply didn't want to dredge up the comic book nerd-rage of the masses that a fully fleshed out, completely different origin might have awakened (unlikely though, given Joss's nonchalance when it comes to haters). It seemed as if they (Joss Whedon and the writing team) felt the need to make up for the lack of development with Hawkeye from the first movie and made a point of overexposing his character in this movie as a result. They also used this for misdirection (are they setting him up to die?), but man did I feel it was underwhelming when Pietro bit the bullet(s) instead. It just felt like a waste of a character (even if I too felt it necessary and convenient given the Wanda/Vision connection and the fact that quicksilver was a quite poorly developed character). The lack of exposition for his character compared to Hawkeye, (although quicksilver's sacrifice was well set-up and executed given the Hakeye/Pietro rivalry etc.) made Pietro seem like an extra on set (or a bench warmer, whichever is more insulting) simply being "present", none of his dialogue felt "real" or had any impact. The part with his parents and his relationship with his sister for example were all well *explained* but I felt no emotional weight or attachment hitting me while I heard all this information being uttered by the character. Then there's Thor's Fever Dream WTF scene, which obviously had only one purpose (besides exposing all of Chris Hemsworth's hard work in the gym), which was to emphasize the ominous foreshadowing of the Infinity War. The way it was handled however felt rushed, forced and disconnected from rest of the movie. I also figured the Hulk exiling himself opened up a door for a World War Hulk Arc and possibly a movie. Though that's always been a point of contention for many reasons in terms of a stand alone movie. So I'll leave that bit of speculation on the sidelines for now, much like The Hulk Lastly, Ultron was disappointing. Again my feelings mirror Shnepp's 100%. His origin felt rushed, even given John's reasoning, the explanation of how he was "born" wasn't the problem for me. The fact that he became sentient so quickly and then just arrived to the "logical" conclusion of his form and function and our (humanity's) role in his mission (adapt or die, evolution or genocide) felt like such a rushed necessity for the sole purpose of having an Avengers level threat that it formed a disconnect and took away from all of his qualities in the process (though it didn't make his one-liners any less funny). I loved his personality and again the reasoning behind it holds up, Tony stark mixed with Hydra fanaticism, extremism and Baron Strucker's Madness. The problem was the lack of development. What makes Ultron so pleasantly Ironic is the fact that he contradicts his whole assessment of human evolution by simply existing. Never fully realizing just how flawed and human like he actually is, which is something I would've loved to have seen more of, not just through his personality, but more like the last conversation he had with The Vision (who I felt was very well handled in comparison). Also the fact that Vision has one of the Infinity gem's on his head will definitely make him a target for Thanos soon enough. I'm interested to see how that is handled and what consequences it will create for The Vision character. All that being said, this movie still fulfilled it's purpose, which was to entertain. I give it 7.5/10 while I gave the first Avengers 8.5/10. Still highly recommend seeing it for pure entertainment value and a visual feast. Great spoilers review as always.
Best Stan Lee cameo yet! I loved the party scene you got the felling of the team just hanging out together. Ironman and Thor having a "my girlfriend tops your girlfriend arguement", Natasha and Banner doing more than flirting, picking up Thor's hammer and James Rhodes failed joke and then he crushes it so much in that scene I don't know how Joss does it.
Can someone explain why the hulk has issues becoming and returning to normal( with bw's help) ? I thought he was in control and ok with his hulkness after the first avengers?
I'm going to be the one that says it. ...I felt this movie blew the first one out of the water, and I actually did feel for qs when he dies , I think the key scene for me that made me attached to the twins was when pietro is telling ultron their story I found that pretty powerful. There are some flaws yes, but overall imo this one takes the cake. Love this review guys keep up the good work.
One thing John and crew didn't cover was the Hulkbuster suit. I loved the way it was done. 1st, having it in orbit to reach anywhere on Earth quickly. 2nd, knowing Banner helped design it to defeat himself. 3rd, having - essentially - a factory hovering above the fight and supplying Iron Man replacement parts for what the Hulk breaks or rips off during the fight was sensible and a great touch.
This movie was such a let down for me. The pacing, cgi, and even the villain was a let down. I thought we were going to have a bad ass villian, but instead it was like the mandarin in iron man 3, trailers showed an awesome villian but once the movie started it was a whole different character. I didnt even care when quicksilver died because there was no character development for him. The one thing that Marvel lacks is there villians. Every villian in the marvel universe has been a let down, ultron was at least a step up from the villians we have seen
Daniel Ventura I still think the best one is Red Skull. Loki's actually one of the worst in my opinion and still preferred Ultron despite my problems with him.
They mentioned Quicksilver's accelerated metabolism in the story, but never really touched on it after that. Does anyone not think there is still a possibility that he is alive? Doesnt seem likely with so many shots, but still. :)
I must have seen an entirely different movie. I thought the movie was rushed... I feel like there is too much comedy in these movies. This movie was too cheesy and a fanboys wet dream. Ultron was not scary in the least bit, it was very comical.... Disappointment
Terrell060 I agree and I think just by watching this movie, it had critics confuse because they would write a good review and still give it a negative score for the movie. It had way too much comedy all over the film and most were horrible placed in the film.
Ultron made no sense. "Hey I'm Ultron, apparently people suck so I'm gonna kill them." Where the hell did that come from? Marvel fails villain again and such big villain should have been good. QS also sounded girly. Rest was pretty good.
I 100% agree with Schnepp, my other problem with it is that at times it felt like they were just checking boxes for phase 3, I'd still give it 7.5 or 8/10
Quicksilver's death definitely helps to further along Scarlet Witch and Vision's relationship (as y'all pointed out in your review) but I can see Pietro's death being used as a plot point in the upcoming Doctor Strange movie as well. I've heard that Scarlet Witch will be in it and she's supposedly gonna be trained by the Sorcerer Supreme in the movie. So Pietro's death could be used as something that weighs heavy on her and could be some sort of emotional block while she's training, or it could be the opposite and it makes her rage out of control and she will have to get trained so she can keep her powers from destroying everything in sight (kinda like Phoenix/Dark Phoenix).
XmenMagnetoAcolytes I never said he was going to come back. Not sure where you got that from, as I said that the DEATH of Pietro would weigh heavily on Scarlet Witch (because he's her twin) and that could be used as a plot point for Doctor Strange, as she will be his apprentice in the movie. Once again, the weight of Quicksilvers DEATH could be used as a plot point as to why Scarlet Witch can't master her powers in Doctor Strange. Btw I'm not saying that it will be used as a plot point, just that it could. The point being that I never said that I thought Quicksilver would be brought back to life. That would take away the purpose of him dying in the first place! They killed him mainly to show the fans that characters can actually die in this universe, which gives more weight to the stakes of the movies. Bringing him back would just piss the fans off at this point.
9?, Come on,...This movie is not good. The plot is simple and was terribly executed. The pacing is way off, the tone uneven, repetitive humor and worse of all, what could have been a great villain, was rushed and not well developed. I mean, Ultron had less screen time and back story than hawkeye and black widow. Quicksilver could've made a great avenger that would actually have cool super powers. This movie bothered me more than TASM2. I am not a hater, but this movie was really disappointing. At least The vision was a good point in the movie.
After watching Avengers: Age of Ultron of Ultron in IMAX 3D, RealD 3D (Friday and Saturday), and it was spectacular. This movie really leveled the playing field even more giving hints about 4 storylines that are about to happen (Avengers Infinity Wars Part 1 & 2, Civil War, Thor Ragnarok, and Black Panther). Divulging more into Barton's backstory was amazing. Seeing Barton having a family was beautiful. Storyline between Natasha Romanov and Bruce Banner trying to have a relationship was a nice stretch. Loved the Beauty and the Beast moments between the Widow and The Hulk. James Spader as Ultron was just menacing in so many levels and he can sing. When Spader's Ultron sings No Strings on me it gave me goosebumps. He just embodied Ultron so gracefully and you can see human type characteristic in him. Vision's entrance into the fold was great and especially Vision and Ultron having that face/off was incredible. Just seeing his transformation from Jarvis to this bio-organic android with the mind infinity stone was perfect. I think Serkis was born to play Ulysses Klaue and I was right about Ultron making his dealings with Klaue when it came to getting more vibranium to create his army. The Maximoff Twins were great and loved there sokovian accents. I kind of felt Scarlet Witch's power was a combination of Charles Xavier, Jean Grey and Emma Frost while Quicksilver was quicksilver as he reacts fast. Seeing that epic tie-in jump shot in the beginning of the film was epic. All the other nice cameos and supporting cast from Sam Wilson, James Rhodes, Erik Selvig, Nick Fury, Maria Hill were great.
I definitely prefer AoU to the original. The first avengers has no re-watch value in my opinion because it's all buildup to that moment when the team finally gets formed. The buildup is GREAT, but watching it again has little to no payoff after having seen the end result. AoU does have a better villain in my opinion, and I LOVE each and every one of the new characters. Every second that Vision's on screen is gold, and seeing the evolution of scarlet witch is great. I would rank the MCU movies: 1. Iron man 2. Guardians of the Galaxy 3. Captain America 2 4. Avengers 2 5. Avengers
The movie sucked, end of review. And why is it female critics or just average Janes always have to mention hot the male lead is? It makes it difficult to take them serious. Male critcs gets some serious eye rolls if they do the same.
Age of Ultron sucked. Too many jokes and one liners. Ultron was a pathetic ass villain, ultron struggled against iron man alone and he was no match for Vision with the infinity stone. I was hoping for a bad ass ultron that brought the avengers to their knees, instead we got the avengers easily crushing all of ultrons minions....smh
This was a good, yet messy entertainment. While I liked the banter between our heroes, the action sequences, and the hat tips to future MCU movies (you know that started with Tony's Scarlet Witch-induced trance!), I walked away from my first viewing with three problems: 1. 3D: After watching this movie, 3D has completely lost its value proposition. By the end of the movie there's no sense of 3D, and I could barely tell any of the blacks on the screen. Next time I see it will be in 2D 2. Ultron's early evolution: When he first appears to the Twins, what's left unanswered is "How did he get into this metallic form from what we saw in Stark Tower?" 3. Ultron's (lack of) ferocity: We have a villain with a god complex who takes up multiple robotic forms at once, can control computers, and is composed of vibranium by the film's climax. He could have been a bit more formidable to the world -- taking over anything within a electronic circuit, shutting down the Internet, and (literally) breaking Cap in half. He had more potential. I might change my mind after a next viewing, and after seeing the future MCU films, but for now, that's where I stand.
the "power stone" unlocks the potential of the other stones thats why thanos will go for that one first and if im not mistaken that stone is with the nova core
Finally most critics aren´t kissing Marvel´s ass as much this time. I´m glad. Their movies are just well done average flicks. At the end of the day not even the ass kissing can beat Nolan´s Batman trilogy not even when it comes to rates by critics.
sanyrub Is that the same trilogy that's shot in plenty of shadow, disorienting close ups and choppy editing to conceal the director's utter ineptitude in action sequences? It's clunky and leaden. Heath Ledger was really great though.
Iam Miasma LMAO So a movie is a as great as the action and that´s it? :) No wonder mediocre movies like Fast and Furious or most Marvel flicks are so successful with people like you buying tickets.
I can't stop thinking that last minute scene till it get to the credits with Captain America and Black widow training Vision, War Machine, Falcon and Scarlet witch in that room. It made think that Spider-Man could end up in that Training Room being Trained by Captain America himself.
If Jon Schnepp, the worlds biggest nerd, had issues with the film that means the film had issues. I enjoyed the movie, it frustrated me but still enjoyed it. I value Schnepps opinion more highly than any other member of this team when it comes to comic book stuff.
I have a theory.. If you notice the connection between Ultron and Scarlet witch, Ultron seems to be more nurturing towards her.. On the train, he says "you don't have to do this" to scarlet witch, and when the chunk of Europe fell, ultron told scarlet witch, "if you stay, you will die" this proves that ultron actually has feelings for scarlet witch! He actually cared for her health and wellbeing! Obviously in the comics vision has a relationship with scarlet witch, and hopefully Ultron's feelings for scarlet witch get passed on to vision when ultron transmitted part of his brainwaves into vision! Also one slightly disturbing theory. When scarlet witch left ultron, obviously ultron will feel sad and alone, so he kidnapped black widow to keep him company as roughly said in the movie, but is it just me or when black widow woke up in Slovakia, she was no longer wearing her bra and you could see her nipples through her suit... And her zip was slightly lowered.. To me, this feels like ultron dealt with his loss by kidnapping another woman and possibly did something "funny" to her as she was unconscious! Ultron has no genitals so I would not go as far to say rape, but ultron certainly DID do something to black widow! It's either that, or scarlet johanson's nipples just perked in the cold climate. Mmmmmm| johanson's nipples :3
Ultron had so much potential, he was done okay. I do like how they gave him a human characteristic but that also took away from him being the villain that was shown in the trailers. I wished Ultron would've fought more. Yeah he fought a little bit with iron man, captain America and very little with Thor and vision... Really little fight with vision. I wanted him to be more imposing, the trailer really got me into him and I was legit scared for the avengers because none of them seemed that strong to take down a robot like him. I was let down with how they took him out. One scene in particular that I'm mixed on is the scene when he tells Wanda if she doesn't get off the land that she'll die. Why does he care?! He wants to wipe everyone out. But I kinda get why because earlier in the movie he empathized the twins situation, but still... Come on.
I would have preferred more time with Ultron's origin instead of Hawkeye's back story. Only because he's my least favorite Avenger. But this was a super fun movie.
Totally agree with Schnepp on this. The movie was good, but imbalanced. Ultron's genesis was rushed. Too much emphasis on Hawkeye and Banner/Widow's relationship.
I'm with Schnepp. Vision's scenes were the most elevated parts of the movie for me. Bettany just had this otherworldly presence to him. I loved it! I also agree with the pacing issues. I felt them as well, specifically with how suddenly Ultron was created and how he was pretty much instantly evil. I would have liked to see that as having been a transformation. Maybe he started out as a success but then, realizing how truly futile his purpose was, turned on the Avengers or spun his purpose differently as he continued to process it. I think that sense of betrayal and failure would have contributed that much more to the weight of Ultron and the effect he would have had on Tony, and the team. I felt some real tension in the Widow-Hulk scenes, because I kept feeling like her lullaby thing wasn't going to work this time and thought Hulk was going to wind up swatting Widow away, heh. That said, everything else about the "Brutasha" relationship was a waste to me and I contend it was out of place in the movie. A lot of the beats that they had together I think could have been better handled by a deeper friendship, if they were necessary at all. One of my issues with it though was that it sort of ret-conned Banner's supposed control that he displayed at the end of the first Avengers. Whether they had this relationship or not in the movie really had no impact on his berserk scene, as that was all Scarlet Witch's doing. Out of everything in this movie, this was the thing I was the most skeptical of. And there were moments where I really thought it was going to work, I really did, but then they didn't, and it turns out that its what worked the least for me out of everything.. Now I'm not sure if this is fair or not, but one of my disappointments (and this is really rather minor, because I think the movie makes up for it) was the tone. The trailers, especially the earlier ones, made you feel like this was going to be a darker, deeper film, in much the same way the Winter Soldier was, if not more so. I was craving that tone. But scenes like the Avengers down and out and the shield broken was just a vision (darn that misdirect!), or the scene where Cap loses the vehicles over the bridge didn't actually come to have consequences because Thor just happens to fly up and save them. I really wanted to feel the weight of their failures in this film and to see how they sprung back from it, if at all. They really made it seem like nothing could go wrong. Granted, that may lend itself to making some of the coming films that much more impactful when crap does hit the fan, but it also makes me skeptical moving forward that the stakes will ever be all that high. Ultron was not as menacing or as formidable as I was expecting, but I still really enjoyed his personality. I do wish he was though. I feel like he could have been, while still being really funny and cool in other ways, and if he was, I think he would have been elevated as a villain and as a character for... well, everyone. All that said, I really enjoyed this film. Those were just some of the things I wish would have been handled differently, but so much of this film was great; the action, the wit, the humor, a lot of the character moments. It was a true spectacle and I can't wait to see it again!! xD
But what i really liked about that speech on top of the Humor from Hawkeye , was that he came across as a father figure towards scarlet. The twins more or less grew up with no father , they only had each other...they are then put in a bad spot in this fight and we see scarlet's vulnerable side like a scared child (which was awesome) so to me we saw more of this Paternal side to Hawkeye which Scarlet witch needed in that moment. I loved that scene a lot.
I found it really odd that when Captain America was on the helicarrier at the end of the battle he was lying next to Quicksilvers dead body. It made it seem like Quicksilver wasn't dead, but going to get medical attention and Cap was looking after him.
I almost teared up when The Vision asks Ultron "why are you afraid?" and they show Ultron all beat up and he answers "Because of you"...That Ultron human moment hit me.
We didn't get a set-up to 'Civil War'? Well that may be true, but we got a glimpse into what will happen when the heroes CHOOSE SIDES when Banner and Hawkeye were with Iron Man and Captain America had the Maximoff twins at his side at the scene where they wanted to create/destroy the Vision. We get to see Iron Man vs. Captain America little fight, I got goosebumps when I saw them fighting. That's what I thought....
I agree with John that Ultron's creation worked perfectly in terms of buy-in because of where Ultron came from, and also his first act was to "kill" Jarvis. I also agree that Quicksilver really did have an impact other than just the surprise. He had actual charisma and grabbed me.
I am glad they mentioned the line that Hawkeye said, "The city is floating and I have a bow & arrow. Nothing makes sense." ha ha.. I laughed so hard at that.. It was such a "Real" moment right there, along with the part they also mentioned, where Scarlet Witch sees that her brother dies, and the Ultron minions are surrounding her and she just disintegrates them all.. it really does put things into perspective as to how much untapped power she has that she isn't aware of, or anyone is aware of for that matter. It will be so awesome to see what they have for us in the future..
Hey AMC, big fan here :) About Quicksilver death scene... It wasn't surprising at all,thanks to Marvel Studio !!! See, months before this movie, they announced that Jeremy Renner is returning for Civil War. And not only that...but, several days before AOU is released, the studio made a spoiler again - by announcing that only Elizabeth Olsen (out of twins) is returning for Civil War.. Irony,right? I stood away from any message boards to avoid spoilers, and Marvel spoiled it instead...
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Now in 2020 I see this show and I realise this was the Golden era of youtube. I miss the crew, specially John Schnepp
Am I the only one who felt bad for Ultron? His human side ended up making his character more unique and better than other marvel villains. He'll definitely be one of my favorite marvel villains.
Exactly, one of the greatest things about ultron in the comics to is he doesn't realise how human he is
Exactly.
I don't but I did really like the scene where him and vision are just talking at the end.
Yeah totally, there were loads of those moments. When he said he supposed to be "beautiful" but the avengers had taken it away from him in the form of vision. "When they see they'll understand, they'll understand". At the end he says to sw "You need to leave or you'll die" in a really sad caring tone even after whom he just killed. And his quiet singing too. And his last scene. I felt bad for him too.
Jimmy Her i only wish he would of fought hand to hand with with at least a couple of avengers at the end (i would have,iced all of them ) he pulled in iron man in the wakanda scene but at the end of the movie he only got in a little fight with vision . other than that he was great. ****oh and that little tug as war with thor wasn't really a fight either
Ultron > Loki
***** Yeah, but that isn't fair. Because Loki had multiple movies to develop. If Marvel decides to use Ultron again, then Ultron can easily become a better villain.
Hank Pym i disagree
Thanos>Ultron>Loki
Sjono Nah. I prefer Ultron over Thanos.
Hank Pym you prefer a robot to GOD?
Watched it twice now and both times the entire cinema was shocked and dismayed at Quicksilver's death. I know some people didn't connect with him, but we did. My sister and I were still hoping he'd magically be resurrected because he was actually a character we were getting behind. I really did like him actually. That scene hit hard. At least in my opinion,
Things I liked:
• Opening Action scene.
• Great Action.
• Hawkeye Development.
• Ultron.
• Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver.
• Hulk Vs Iron Man.
• Vision.
• New Avengers.
Things I didn't Like:
• Strucker Wasted.
• No Loki Scene.
• What happened to the Wakanda woman in Thor's Cave Scene?
• Ultron Having Jokes when he should be serious.
• Hulk & Widows Love interest.
• Quicksilver's Death.
Mr Django good list
The scene with Thor and the woman got cut. We will see a director's cut of the film on bluray next year I guarantee it.
Agree 100%. That's literally everything I was thinking
Mr Django I feel Loki has been overused and did not miss him in this film. Thanos is the big bad after all.
Our lists are the exact same.
Better than the first!
Sonix625 yeah, I found the first one to be a bit flavourless
Sonix625 i liked the first more but i still liked it
For me Ultron is much better villain than Loki, that's why I think it's better than the first
***** Not sure who I like more. I need to see AOU again.
Sonix625 No...they were very close, but I think that the first one was just barely better. The parts of this movie with Natasha Romanov and Bruce Banner hooking up were extremely dumb, and the whole thing with Thor and the magic pool was pointless. The original Avengers doesn't have any moments like that.
I like it overall, but my main problem is the villain. I'm extremely disappointed by Ultron. He never accomplishes anything and can't threaten a fly. Avengers weren't even hurt by the party fight, he failed to threaten the Avengers in Wakanda (something that twins did), failed to acquire the nuke codes, he lost two powerful allies in the Maximoffs, then he lost Vision's body and then he lost access to his machine... Marvel stills struggling with villains as far as I'm concerned. Great thing in the first Avengers is the fact that Loki kicked the crap out of Cap, then trashed a SHIELD Helicarrier before killing Coulson... Ultron could barely fight Cap alone in the roof of that semi-trailer truck.
Ultron was a improvement but the only studio that put out good villains is Fox with X-Men both DC and Marvel are struggling.
DC have only had one movie in their cinematic universe, so it's a bit unfair to say that.
mrcooldeadly85 Improvement over what?
mrcooldeadly85 MMM.. Sorry Both Zod and Faora were true villains and Zod intent to destroy a whole race to bring his back shows how powerful of a villain he is.
Mozts1 I couldn't agree more. Ultron was my biggest problem. I wanted him to drive the Avengers to their limit, but he got his shiny metal ass handed to.
Like: Andy Serkis and The Vision monologue.
Dislike: Ultron creates a "meteor" because he couldn't hack the military launch codes (Tony Stark could in two minutes) and the Hulk/Black Widow love story.
Maybe I'm old, but to much CGI action bored me now.
Manuel Alejandro Núñez Gajardo Ultron couldn't hack it because of Jarvis.
When they said they had a friend helping them online or whatever it was I knew it was Jarvis. Pretty well sign posted, I can't understand how you didn't get that lol.
'Just launch nukes man' lol lol lol.
Love it... all the plot holes get fixed with one line. Like in the "Thank you for smoking" scene: 'Thank God we invented the... you know, whatever device.'. lol
I think one major hero that "dies" in this movie that everyone is overlooking is Jarvis. Maybe Tony can recreate Jarvis, although he kind of did, and Jarvis evolved into Vision.
However, I think Jarvis is pretty much out of the picture as far as Marvel movies are concerned because it would be weird to have Jarvis and Vision occupy screen time together.
So, I think while we mourn or discuss the loss of an underdeveloped character like Quicksilver, we really need to take time to "pour one out for our homey," Jarvis, who was a far more developed character in his own right.
Wait...so Ultron was gonna use QS and Scarlet Witch to repopulate the earth?
Ultron, you sick son of a bitch.
Lol
solodolomomo Language!
And they said he's not evil bwuahah
SquirrellyFries You kiss your mother with that mouth?
solodolomomo QS is dead.. I'll gladly take his place tho so no worries.
Also, Falcon shows up at the beginning and the end and yet doesn't do ANY fighting.
The movie was just like the 1st. Nothing new or exciting.
Yeah Moe Are you trolling, or do you not realize how silly a statement it is to say that the first Avengers offered nothing new?
Its_only_martin The 2nd Avengers brought nothing new. It really was just like the 1st.
Yeah Moe These movies have a lot of new and exciting things. You have your own opinion but you make me wonder what movie you were watching. I give this movie 9/10. Kicks Furious 7s ass.
Yeah Moe Well I kind of disagree, but I won't go into that aha. But you have to agree that the first Avengers (whether liked or not) was probably one of the most important films for this genre. It opened the doors for teamups and was the last cog in the concept of having a comic book shared universe and having it pulled off expanding the potential of the genre.
Beowulf Adrinor To me it just felt like the 1st. One liners and too much humor. The end fight was just like the 1st. Ultron was rushed and in the trailer they made him look like a badass but he was weak in the movie.
For me it goes
1. Captain America: The Winter Soldier
2. Iron Man
3. Avengers
4. Avengers: Age of Ultron
5. Captain America: The First Avenger
6. The Incredible Hulk
7. Thor
8. Iron Man 3
9. Thor: The Dark World
10. Guardians of the Galaxy (yes I hate goofy movies with shit villains)
11. Iron Man 2
One of my biggest unanswered questions from the movie was the origin of the twins' powers. Was there an explanation that I missed? I heard rumors a while back that their powers originated from Loki's staff, but that isn't shown in the movie. We know that the staff was there, but so was a bunch of other stuff. Agents of Shield has been pushing Inhumans pretty hard, so I was expecting some Inhumans connection for the twin, but no, that didn't happen.
A Morgan They were test subjects willingly with others but they were the only ones who survived the tests. Granting there powers. I have only seen it once so I might be wrong.
Daniel Ordonez But what where those experiments? How were they the only survivors? Was it terrigen mist? Everything in the movies is very vague.
A Morgan If the 3 in a half hour version is released they MIGHT explain that.
A Morgan Mate, just go with it! :)
A Morgan their hatred for stark gave them purpose which gave them the will to live.
Anyone else think the Thanos after-credits scene would have made more sense at the end of Guardians of the Galaxy? Especially as that movie had Ronan finding the stone for Thanos but then not bringing it to him. Why is Thanos all in a huff after Age of Ultron? No-one failed him in this movie. This after-credits scene should have been moved to the end of Guardians, after the Howard the Duck bit of course, and AoU should have been Black Panther tracking down an injured Uylesses Claw or an introduction to Spidey.
disasterblast honestly what he said made no sense, you are right, it would make a lot of sense if it was for GOTG, not AOU
disasterblast Maybe he planned for ultron to bring it to him once he entered his new body. Remember before thor left, he said that it was no coincidence that three stones where in play on earth, and that someone was working behind the scenes. Maybe Ultron did have some strings attached.
jsmarthy
thanos and ultron never made contact
disasterblast I would have preferred to see am after-credits scene with Ultron living again by downloading himself into a Chevy Volt or something.
Richard Raymond
or into War Machine's armour.
my favourite line was from Ultron saying something like. "vibranium is the most durable metal on the planet and they make a frisbee out of it."
I think they also had to kill Quicksilver because super speed can solve almost all problems they have in comic book movies. Now they dont have to think about it all the time and come up with reasons why Quicksilver couldnt solve everything in future movies.
They had to leave QS behind in DoFP for the same reason, even tho it didnt make sense to not ask him for help. He would just make everything too easy.
Agree completely. Any normal problem is instantly solved. Even some bigger issues that arise.
Super speed won't help you when galactic threats emerge
This quicksilver is more like the comics version. Xmen quicksilver was overpowered...like the Flash is with the speed force. The flash is literally like the most powerful JL member.
Xarko I don't understand. Is it not possible to treat the character as they would in a comic book.
kingragnork no Superman is the most powerful memeber
No mention of Andy Serkis? I'm shocked.
lordkibagami There was a lot they didn't mention lol
this wasn't really a review, more like a reaction video
***** Good one.. lol
He was one of my favorite parts.
yankeegrey2810 He has something to do with the Black Panther story line, but I agree his part in the movie was way to short.
This review actually made me love the movie more than I thought I did because the panel explained a lot that I did not notice or took for granted. However, I 1000% agreed with everything Schnepp said. My impression of the movie is exactly the same.
I'm honestly starting to think I watched a different movie, because I thought it was a let down. The heroes never actually seemed like they were in danger, because the villain was so lame. One of the four characters (Pietro) who actually liked died, all because he couldn't dodge a bullet, even though he had no problem doing so with Thor's hammer. I even hear people say this is the MCU's best film, it doesn't come close to Winter Soldier or the first Avengers film. Maybe it needs a repeat viewing.
TheoKabala89 Exactly! I knew I wasn't the only one that could be thinking this, seen plenty of people post the same now. Ultron was pathetic. He lost every single fight he had. Not to mention having him throw out bad jokes non stop. His robot army didn't do jack shit. The movie had zero tension.
TheoKabala89 the reason he cant dodge a bullet is because he can only move as fast or almost as fast as a bullet, this is confirmed by joss whehodon
***** Zero tension and sense of dread is the exact description. A movie about a power AI, who has a robot army should make the viewer feel like the heroes CAN lose. I never got that sense.
TheoKabala89 I thought it was good that Ultron was´t overpowered. That whould just disapoint how he gets deafeated. Do you remember the scene when Pietro got shoot through the arm by a policeman? But now I don´t remember. Did he move Hawkeye, take the shoots or put a car to protect him. Becuse I don´t remember clearly.
TheoKabala89 While Thor's hammer packs a bigger punch it doesn't travel as fast as a bullet. Otherwise he would have been Claw's twin as well.
Also took me awhile to work out if I liked Age of Ultron more than the first one... But after I watched again.. I realised yes I do.
I genuinely think that the first one was awesome obviously,, but I do think that the first one was special because its the first time we've ever seen anything like this happen on the big screen. It was a unique and awesome experience. But personally I loved Ultron better after my second viewing, for many reasons that would take to long to write on here :P
So you think age of ultron is better I don't think so but that's what you think I'm fine
Kelly Davis I completely agree, I just watched it for the second time today and I enjoyed it even more.
Kelly Davis I couldn't agree more with you. I found Age of Ultron way more emotional which engaged my investment for the characters exponentially.
Yeah I agree.I think If Age of Ultron came out before, Avengers. and the first Avengers was the sequel. people would say that it wasnt as good as Age of Ultron.
Was awesome the first time
Even better the second!
I think Shnepp was right, the pacing was way off in spots. Ultron really came out of nowhere when he needed more build up.
I personally didn't really care for Ultron as a character. I didn't expect an old school robot, but I did not expect it to have THAT much personality, it got that to the point he was annoying.
Ultimatey, this film suffers from every Superhero sequel, by adding too many characters. Spider-Man 2 is the only one to focus on one villain and that is it.
In films, I usually judge my enjoyment on the film on how the characters are handled. I'm a big character guy, and that is as far as I can tell the only big problem I have with the first Avengers, the bad management of Hawkeye.
It is that reason that I personally believe that Age of Ultron is better than the first. I loved how they handled Hawkeye in this film, as well as side characters like the twins. I surprisingly really grown to like Quicksilver, which shocked me due to my love of the DofP depiction.
As well as the character development, I also really liked the action sequences and the dialogue between characters. There are so many quotable pieces of dialogue in this film.
I'm watching the film for a third time very soon. Maybe my opinion will slightly change at some point but at the moment it is my second favorite MCU film, below Cap 2.
Its_only_martin (Forgot to say) I liked Cap 2 the most, because of the character use again, as well as the fantastic action sequences and chemistry between everyone... As well as the villain/not villain that is The winter soldier, which I feel is underapprectiated when people talk about the lack of great Marvel villains, but that may be because he isn't really evil at all and is instead being Hawkeye'd ( Brainwashed )
Its_only_martin So quicksilver was a big character to you? A well rounded Deep character? Cause except for a speach about why they hate Stark he barely said anything. He just stood next to his sister looking confused.
Funny... I rate my enjoyment of films primarily on depth of themes, and again, this one came out on top. Sure, the theme of AIs becoming self-aware isn't exactly the most original, but I'll let that go because the same themes existed in the comics far prior to the Terminator franchise which really brought them to the masses. While the first film was fun, and there's no denying that, it was just that: fun. There was very little in terms of character development, very little in terms of story and motivations which was new, and again, the themes weren't that deep. I mean come on, 'teamwork saves the day' is basically the main theme of the first movie.
In this film, there is more in terms of character development, that much cannot be denied. There is much more in terms of story and motivations, especially with Tony Stark/Iron Man, Steve Rogers/Captain America and Clint Barton/Hawkeye. And then, we come back to the themes, which are deeper and more meaningful than in the first.
I've pinned down exactly why the first seems so far to be the preferred option: the achievement of putting these heroes together on screen overwhelmed the eyes of critics and fans alike. It clouded their judgements, and I'll include myself in the list of those people. But with a great deal of them, they still cannot see clearly on this issue.
Myself, I gave the first film a solid 9/10 when it came out. In hindsight, it's dropped to around 6-7/10 since then, and not just because I was fanboying over the sequel. This second one I give a solid 8.5-9/10. But come back to me in three years, maybe this one holds up about as well as the first one to my scrutiny.
basquat76 He was developed enough tot he point where most of us liked him enough. It was a high concept film with a lot more characters than the first, yet it handled each of them more carefully than the first did with it's characters. Granted, Quicksilver wasn't particularly handled perfectly but he did have cool moments and some good lines to which we felt more for him than we did for Hawkeye in the first Avengers.
What I was trying to judge this film by ( in terms of character handling) was comparing Hawkeye, even against himself in both films. If Hawkeye died in the battle on NY in the first film, I doubt anybody would have cared. However in this film, when it seemed Hawkeye was going to die, it felt more emotional.
Use this to consider Quicksilver too. When he died, people in my cinema gasped and other even said how sad it was. I feel that was a good indication as too how his character was developed to the point where he was significant. Sorry about the long 'rant' like message, I'm not trying to seem angry/ agressive, I just ramble a lot.
Its_only_martin Ah see there it was. Cool moments. A cool moment isn't the same a character development. He went from bad to good without a real explanation. From wanting Stark dead and ready to destroy half the World to do so, to saving Hawkeye, who he didn't even have a real conversation with except calling him old man a few times.
This movie is so weak in it's character Development.
Hawkeye has a Family. Hulk and token women has a thing for each other. It's chapter 1 in character development.
Yep, feel the same as Schnepp regarding the pacing. Wish there's more story & dialogues in between all the actions to build up the characters more. Good thing we'll have the 3.5 to 4 hours extended version coming out on Blu-Ray. I think that version will be PERFECT. Cannot wait!!
Still dont understand why Wanda was smiling when Tony took Lokis scepter
worst line of the entire movie is when blackwidow says to hulk ' GO BE A HERO BIG GUY ' :(
Cring0r I did like what she said before that though.
I agree, I really liked their chemistry for most of the movie, that one line just stuck out to me, also I couldn't help but hear the sad hulk music when hulk is flying away in the plane at the end lol , still loved the movie though !
Cring0r Sad Hulk music as in from the TV series?
yeh, its a running joke on the kevin smith hollywood babble on podcasts :p
Cring0r Now I have to go back to see the movie just to listen better to that scene. Everything John pointed out as missing I caught the first time but I watch very intently and alone in a theater with probably 10 people all together due to it being 11am.
I enjoyed the movie, but I didn't really care for:
- Bruce and Natasha's relationship
- Hulk (surprisingly). Just not as good as he was in the first movie. And Bruce didn't feel like he had much to do in this movie and came off was "whatever" and "bland/dull". Which leads up back to Phase 1 and why Hulk deserves a sequel more than any of the other heroes, because he STILL HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET ONE.
- Some of the pointless conflicted moments and drama
And yeah, I think the Hulk and Black Widow thing was my main issue with the movie. I just didn't care for them coming together, and Hulk/Bruce came off as annoying to me at some parts. And I think it's because we haven't had another Hulk movie with Mark Ruffalo. I really want one now! Also, some of the Marvel humor and the same formula they use for their movies can get old. I fear that it will get to a point where it gets generic. I mean, I came out of this movie excited, but at the same time, not feeling the same way when I come out of other Marvel movies. I think it all comes down to the fact that this Marvel formula of "HEROES MAKE WITTY DIALOGUE, BECOME CONFLICTED, BUT AT THE END, ALWAYS COME TOGETHER FOR A BIG EPIC BATTLE AGAINST A "WHATEVER" VILLAIN". The Avengers did it, Iron Man 3 did it, Cap 2 did, and now Avengers 2 did it, AGAIN.
SS4xG-ultimate And this leads me to another issue with Marvel movies I've been reminded of. I feel like it's getting TOO BIG. I understand why and still love their movies, but everything's getting TOO BIG and possibly TOO OVER-THE-TOP (the over-the-top thing might be a nitpick). And sometimes, there feels like there are no stakes, which is why I appreciated that someone died in this movie and it wasn't who we expected.
Call me crazy, but am I the only one who's kind of missing the days when heroes had more personal, solo adventures? The days of Spider-Man 2 and The Dark Knight. Those stories. Every thing in movies feels like it has to be a BIG EVENT thing now and I get it, it makes money, and Batman v Superman is long overdue. But I just hope Marvel keeps in mind that their solo movies are important to be about their "title hero" and not an AVENGERS 2.5. However, I am looking forward to Civil War and how the Avengers still play into that, so I'm kind of being a hypocrite here.
If I could offer Marvel any advice, it would be to beware of TOO MUCH. And by that, I mean I hope that ANT-MAN, DOCTOR STRANGE, CAPTAIN MARVEL, BLACK PANTHER, and especially my favorite superhero SPIDER-MAN don't become Avengers setup movies. And Phase 4 should be about smaller like Phase 1 once was. After all, I kind of miss the days of IRON MAN 1. But I guess I also have to remember that Marvel is beyond just making FUN FEEL-GOOD movies and is a serious movie studio now to the likes of Pixar and Lucasfilm, ironically all owned by Disney as well.
Just like in the early comics, Hulk will be a grouped character instead of having his own series. I'm sure they'd want to give him another chance to shine, but Universal still holds distribution rights
Sjono I understand that decision as Hulk is another reason why the Avengers movies are unique, I guess. I just want more time to get to know Bruce Banner. Avengers: Age of Ultron didn't give me that and couldn't, as only a solo film could. And it doesn't make sense that Universal holds the rights, but won't make another Hulk film? Like, what? Even Sony decided to finally partner with Marvel to do the whole Spider-Man thing. I mean, is Universal even making money from Hulk if they don't make the movies?
Universal would be more than happy to have a solo Hulk movie and make millions of cash. However unlike Sony, they don't have production rights to the character. They'd have to get Disney to create it, which won't happen won't happen because they don't want to share profits.
Sjono Alright, I get it now. Thanks! The fact that a Hulk sequel will probably never happen (at least not until after 2019 or even not in this decade) is sad, but hey, at least he'll show up in the Avengers movies.
The humor was the biggest letdown for me. When every single character gets a quippy one liner, it stops being unique and funny.
Connor Quinn True. If done every once in a while it would have been great but I feel like they went with quantity over quality with those one liners.
Connor Quinn Yeah. The majority of the characters seems like they have the same personality. The tension, drama, and character moments never build because the movie undercut every scene with a joke.
HadesFist Exactly! Mark kept talking about the "darker" moments in the film, my response to that is: what dark moments? Everything that was meant to be serious, Quicksilvers death, Ultron cutting off Klaw's hand, etc all had a joke immediately after.
Luis Gonzalez Exactly my point. I thought the first Avengers had the perfect balance of "Whedonisms" in the film. It feels like they just let him go all out and I feel like the tone kind of ruined the movie for me. Felt similar to the marketing campaign vs the actual film with Iron Man 3. Trailers promised a dark and serious film, actual movie was mostly comedy. Maybe having just watched Daredevil kind of clouded my enjoyment, but damn, I was really disappointed after watching this movie.
***** It doesn't matter the type of sense of humor if most of the one liners fall flat.
I just want to say thank you to John and all of the AMC team. You guys inspired me to start my own channel, Right now I just do reviews, but I plan on starting a podcast soon too.
Oh and great interview with Rudd, and Douglas! When you came on I practically died, I whispering to my friends about this gem called AMC movie news... ;) and then your "peak" onto the show, the clever ad people DIED over the Jedi Council!! So big ups to that! 😉👍
Schnepp Im totally with you, movie was "meh"
He loved it 8/10 not meh 5/10 is meh
I don't think 5/10 means meh. It was meh in that it disappointed me even though I really liked it
Jaheel Frederick I wholeheartedly agree with Schnepp. And truthfully, if he weren't on this panel, I think this would have been a total love fest, with VERY MINIMAL discussion of the flaws.
***** Yeah man, I almost feel like he wanted to give a lower score but because he was there he would've felt guilty to be the only one giving it a lower score.
***** Its like Star Wars. You have to give people time to enjoy the new movies before focusing to much on any flaws but unlike the prequels I can still suggest people go back and see this again.
Good movie...
if I have one major complaint it is that opening fight scene. That CGI was absurdly bad.
I thought It was just Thor swinging the metal pieces and fighting at the beginning of the scene.
***** Hmm, I've been hearing some ppl talking about that.. but what part are you talking about? The slow motion scene when they jump on the screen? That was a cool pose tho, lol
***** The pose was cool, and actually didn't look bad, but the rest of the sequence looked really poorly edited and the CG, for whatever reason, looked unfinished. It's like they worked on it, forgot about it, and decided to put forth their work in other scenes instead.
***** Oh yeah, I did notice some jerky cgi movements with Thor when he flies/lands and fights the Hydra soldiers.. but it wasn't that noticeable to the average moviegoer I bet.. but people like you and me that notices those things in films, I saw it. But I was too hyped to even care lol
*****
By the end of the movie, I didn't really care. I suppose it's best that, if any scenes were to look bad in a blockbuster, it better be the first so I don't leave the theater with it in mind.
I loved it!
One scene I'm amazed none of you mentioned was the scene when the team first encountered Ultron and Quicksilver and Thor threw his hammer and quicksilver was running so the hammer was going past quicksilver very slowly and quicksilver tried to catch the hammer mid air and it sent quicksilver flying! I thought that was a great funny scene.
when quicksilver dies I loved how they acknowledged that we didn't expect it saying, "You didn't see that coming." before he drops.
Also another thing I loved was the conversation Sam Wilson had with Steve Rogers about the missing person in a way giving an update to Steve about having a hard time find Bucky Barnes.
I just saw this movie today and after watching it, my first thought was its better than the first movie and as I started to think about it more and more, this movie is not good. What really hurt this movie was the pacing of it and the villain. This movie made the same mistakes as Iron Man 3 when they showed the trailers of what kind of villain we were going to be getting and once you see the movie, its not the same as what they showed in the trailers. Look we are 11 plus movies in and still struggling to great a good villain? I can not give this movie a pass and look how easy was it for Ultron to get defeated. You would think for an AI like that is to create a new and improve body and yet doesn't do that and comes across way too human...This movie is not even up there with Captain America: Winter Soldier and GOTG. I give this movie a 6.5/10..at first I was going to give it a 7 or 7.5/10 but the more I think about the more I dislike the things I saw in the movie.
blackrock316 I agree, I wanted an emotionless and threatening badass, not some wise cracking robot who got his shiny metal ass handed to.
sm4carnageihope and that was the problem, I would agree with the people who said Ultron was a great villain if they had shown just how strong he was but in the end...he was just weak.
blackrock316 Honestly I'm the reverse. Iron Man 3 didn't work for me because the writing takes a huge nosedive after the twist and the movie's logic falls in expense for the jokes. AoU I like more the more I think about it. I find this Ultron to be much more complex, deep, interesting and menacing because of his humanity yet how inhuman his viewpoint is. If he was just stoic and evil he would have been every other evil-AI ever, this is original, different, excellent almost straight up poetic. Moments like the final confrontation between Vision and Ultron just make me love this movie more and more. His humor didn't take away that much either since most of his jokes are presented from his own ideology and personality, like forgetting what children are called is because he honestly doesn't care for "small things as humans". He likes to think that he is above us but something tells me he is aware of his humanity and in his arrogance denies it, that's why he hate Tony so much because both is more similar then Ultron likes them to be.
Pacing issues? Yeah I agree. Though there have been movies with worse pacing that aren't even ensemble movies and honestly I wouldn't even say it's that bad. It was to fast but it was consistent, the movie felt like a long intense action sequence. It would be worse if it was inconsistent.
garowice
its good that you like Ultron, I just thought he was presented too weak, I mean for a robot to be that smart shouldn't be easy to defeat
blackrock316
Just saying what I felt. I still like Loki more but out of all the Villains I felt Ultron is the strongest right after Loki in character and personality.
On just a power and strength level, yes I kinda agree. He's a powerful villain but close to end they did the same thing they did to Loki, playing his defeat more for laughs. Making him seem physically weaker then he was presented but I think character is more important then physical power.
Both Avengers movies have been incredibly UNDERWHELMING for me. They both have such a blandness to them. Ultron was such a let down, Earth's Mightiest Heroes did a better job with the character and his story than the movie.
ThatOnePixel Ultron was getting wrecked like a fodder hydra agent near the end
Suburamo15 Exactly, Marvel pretends to make their big villains menacing, but in the end they turn out to be a huge joke.
I think you all are fruity
ThatOnePixel earths mightiest heroes was the generic terminator killer robot, we got a different type of ultron that was much more original and had substance
I hated this ultron, too many one liners made him look like an idiot rather than menacing.
I had no feelings towards Quicksilver's death. It was soo emotionless as well as ATJ's portrayal.
I can see how people feel the Ultron origin was rushed. He was an idea, then a quick lab montage, in matter of minutes Ultron is born in a random converge of technology and shortly thereafter Jarvis is seemingly murdered. All that said I understood why it was handled that way, they needed him to exist asap so the story could happen.
Vision was quickly assembled, as well, but his creation scene was so dynamic and how he was realized is so impressive I'm not sure you really need more. Could we do with some more conversation about who and what he is, sure, but like Campea said, his ability to lift the hammer speaks volumes.
Though given Asgard's whole technomagic thing and Vision is an advanced android, he may have cheated.
I felt Quicksilver's death, that if nothing else made Age of Ultron for me. I knew he was going to die having accidentally seen a spoiler, plus me not really liking his character for most of the movie I was surprised how affecting his death was.for me.
I agree with Schepp though, it does in retrospect feel like a waster of a potentially more interesting powerful character. I wanted Hawkeye to die, the movie does a fantastic job of displaying his expendability, plus I can't stand Jeremy Renner at this point.
One thing I do hope they do with Thanos is make him a legit alien. Movies have habit of making aliens either overtly physically or culturally alien like they do with Groot and Drax or they just throw on some jazzy makeup but the character is in every other way entirely human. Gamora was entirely too human, nothing about her spoke to an alien identity, to the deadly woman she is supposed to be either as an assassin or her being raised by Thanos.
John, the reason Dr Selvig knew information about the magic hot tub was that he was well versed in Norse mythology as a child. This was touched on several times in the prior Thor films...
KEEP ANDREW GARFIELD AS SPIDERMAN
No
kimo9449 SHUT UP
Andrew FTW
I'm pretty sure he's taking the piss here.
I watched the 27 hour marathon, Doing that I will say I thought it was better than the first avengers. Honestly you take away the wow factor of seeing the avengers for the first time and your left with a dry plot and a phantom menace ending.
The point you brought up about the under use of Hulk got me thinking, what if, when Ultron is there when the avengers are guarding the trigger, Hulk leaps at him, but Ultron just flicked him off like he was nothing. That would have been cool.
HULK was under used and under powered in this film. I liked it when he jumped in the jet and Ultron said 'for god sake' lol
Flicking the Hulk in the MCU is being saved for Thanos
I thought Hulk was the better defence against the bots than any other of the Avengers, he can wipe out 10-20 at a time with a sweep of his arm
Sjono lol indeed.
MrAfroboy12345 Plus Ultron would just fly up to a height Hulk couldn't reach.
Schnepp totally nailed it. He said all the things I would've said too... it was overall just barely ok because of the weird pacing, but the signature character interactions between the Avengers were great (as befits Whedon's strength as a writer and director) and that was its sole saving grace.
*Spoilers ahead* (duh..!)
Ultron himself was two pronged to me - while I loved his personality with all his quirks and awesome quip-matches with Stark and also how imposing and threatening he felt physically, chiefly due to Spader's awesome performance and Whedon's masterful dialogues, I felt we were never really shown that he *could* take all the Avengers all on his own except in the first scene a little bit. I didn't buy him as this existential threat to the Avengers - to humanity, sure, he WAS that level of a threat all on his own, but only if there were no Avengers. But I never really got how he'd be that big a threat as long as they were around. I can imagine it, but I felt they didn't really manage to show it. It seemed like Scarlet Witch on her lonesome was a far bigger threat, even with her powers exactly at the same level as they were shown to be. It would've been better if Ultron were to get hold of the Hulkbuster to try and neutralize the Hulk - temporarily at least.
I would've also liked it more if they didn't "tease" and foreshadow the Hawkeye death soo freaking much at every opportunity and then have a special separate 'death scene' within the climax, because then it just felt like both those things were just put in there artificially just coz somebody thought "Oh we should have one of them die and lets not do it in an obvious way". That took me out of the movie, several times... through all the Hawkeye death foreshadowing I never bought it and I remember thinking before the final fight, man they have been so heavy handed with this foreshadowing that now either way it turns out - whether Hawkeye lives or dies - its just gonna feel weird and overdone. If you foreshadow it so much and then have him die, it feels like oh we saw that coming from a mile away and if not then it feels like an elaborate distraction was put in there just for the sake of it and just a waste of time... either way it doesn't work for me. I was 80% sure Hawkeye wasn't gonna die precisely because of the heavy handed nature of the foreshadowing but I didn't even care that much even if it were a double bluff and he would have actually died. And as many in the panel said, since I wasn't so attached to the twins' story too much, I didn't care when QS bit it in the end. It was just not done properly I think. it required more subtlety.
Here in 2024 after an Ultron rewatch. Mainly to hang with Schnepp
Same, brother.
I was wondering what do you think is up with the rotten tomatoes rating of 72%?
It means that 28% of the critics weren't as impressed with this movie as much as some of the other Marvel movies, simple. 72% is still a good rating.
It's not even at a 72 anymore. The score went up.
Also, you can't deny its been getting mixed reactions, watch THIS video that you're on, listen to some of the complaints they ALL bring up. Alica Malone didnt like it, John schnepp and Kritian harloff had problems with it as well. Explore comment sections of Avengers spoiler videos. Explore the comments in here. Some of the complaints "the stakes weren't as high as i thought it would be" "It felt rushed" "ultron was underdeveloped" "bad russian accent". I really like the film but is it that hard to wrap your head around the idea that some people out there dont like Age of Ultron?! Whats up with the 72% rating on RT? Not suree, im guessing some people didnt like the movie.
Aaron Sanders
Jesus christ, asks whats up with the 72% rating when he's on a video where the people on the panel LISTS all the complaints and flaws the movie had. They didn't do that with the first Avengers movie. 72% is still good.
It raised to 75% as well
RIP Schnepp
I liked it didn't love it action was great, vision was awesome sorta liked ultron and hawkeye's story was nicely done. However this was filled with plot holes or inconsistencies the visual effects weren't always tight and this movie just didn't pop for me. If give it 6.5 out of 10
Great review guys! I saw Ultron twice already; once with friends and once with my son. I really, really, enjoyed this film and had a blast while watching it! Marvel is just firing on all cylinders right now! "Age of Ultron" was a fun and entertaining film. Josh Whedon did an incredible job with this franchise and now that he's stepping away, I look forward to seeing what the Russo brothers will do with the sequels.
I really liked Age of Ultron. Forget about the whole comic-lore and potential money it was "suppose" to bring in; there are key phylisophical points about humanity that were made. For example, the way Vision said that humans cannot see the difference between order and chaos; much like Ultron did not see a difference in wiping out humanity or saving it, in order to bringforth peace on Earth. Also, when Captain said that innocent people die every time someone tries to prevent a war before it starts. Great quotes of wisdom to ponder on in a superheroes film is what makes this movie great; it provides a time to reflect on ourselves (even as a whole country or planet).
Now, if I had to change anything about AOU, it would be to include Hank Pym (original Ant-Man) in the credit of creating ultron, like in the Marvel comics. Tony and Bruce might have taking some of his work notes in creating Ultron, or something like that. Also, the scene where Ultron was able to kidnap Black Widow by the heal, in the last split second after truck explosion in the air; it seemed forced by the studio. And, it feels that the Quicksilver ending was a direct result of Fox releasing their movie-version of this character; but worth the unexpected plot twist. (Also, it brings awareness to the general public about the contractual, movie rights of characters these studios are struggling to own).
After all the drama with Joss Whedonon and the MCU, he should do what exactly what J.J. Abrams did when he went from one side of a franchise (Star Trek) to the opposite (Star Wars): JOSS WHEDON SHOULD LEAVE MARVEL MCU AND JOIN WARNER BROS IN MAKING A D.C. MOVIE TO BRING BACK BALANCE TO THE SWEATY, GEEKY UNIVERSE!!! Yes, Age of Ultron was that good. Besides, this movie should never be seen as a single story, it's an essential link to Avengers evolving story line. Just like the paper-printed comics of the the post-millennial dark ages.
Also, JW engeniously created two endings in a single movie: one part of the audience thought that Vision and Ultron annialated each other; the other thinks they teleported each other to another part of the galaxy (Thano's Arena?) to "resolve" things.
Here's an idea for the Hulk continuation: have the Guardians of the Galaxy abduct Banner to a Planet Hulk. BOOM, WERE YOU LOOKING FOR THIS?!
-MR
Honestly, I thought the first Avengers was ok, It was a little boring to me, but this one was amazing, my favorite movie i the MCU thus far!
Someone laughed when quicksilver died that was fucked up even though he sort of made it funny
R3FlEXable HAHAHA Same here! We're all just sitting there and out of nowhere i just here a soft giggle.
bestguyintheworld15 I laughed my ass off because it thought he told hawk eye again, "You didn't see that coming?" but he actually said i didn't see that coming which i thought was very stupid anyways but it wasn't that bad the second time i saw it. I give his death an 7/10.
Alex Tapia I agree and although his death the second time was a little emotional, I believed it to be unnecessary and anti-climactic.
bestguyintheworld15 Yeah true i did feel for him too.
It's funny Maude felt the Twins were a little too "close" considering their incestuous relationship in the Ultimates. Elizabeth Olsen did say she and Aaron tried to in-cooperate some of that "beyond sibling comfort" into their performance.
Overall I loved this movie and want to see it again (two times so far).
Maybe I'm totally wrong but wasn't the incest storyline from the comics and if I'm wrong what comic book am I thinking about?
Micktrex I thought Aussies are more comfortable with relationships than Americans.
Elisabeth Olson said they were meant to be closer than they should have been for brother and sister.
***** the two were married in godzilla. just sayin..... super sayin.
tee hee.
Michael Hawkins you weren't wrong. They were too close.
For me, the Thor Spirit Quest is setting up Ragnarok and Ragnarok sets up Infinity War Part 1 since that is the movie immediately before Infinity War.
Also, what happened to the Loki scenes that was cut from the movie?
Or the lady in the cloak in Wakanda who was also cut from the movie?
I thought Ultron was going to be more of a force of nature. The first trailer made him seem so menacing he just never reached that level in my opinion. I still enjoyed him as a villain just wanted a little more. Overall I really liked such great action and humor 8/10 for me.
Campea askes why The Hulk cant just go smash Ultron. First of all it would leave a hole in their defense, and second of all, it wouldn't matter. Ultron isn't tied to his body so he would just transfer to one of the others, sure his body wouldn't be as powerful, but his plan would still be in effect.
Mads Feierskov I also figure the Vibranium shell would be near indestructible anyways.
1. Visual Effects Quality - 8
Quite good overall.
2. Cinematography - 5
Nothing special here.
3. Sound - 7
Above average, but nothing that interesting.
4. Story - 6
Predictable at best, lacking character development in gap between films.
5. Script - 6
Comedy just barely offsets the many cliché lines.
6. Acting - 7
Above average, but nothing phenomenal, props to James Spader's voice.
7. General Impressions - 7
At least the action pieces were decent…
Rounded Average: 6.5
Overall Comment: Underwhelming, and worse than the first one.
Schnepp likes loki more than ultron? JOHNS RACIST AGAINST ROBOTS!
pablo sanchez Who doesn't? It's LOKI haha
Linda Cardellini looks too old to still be hot. Ding.
pablo sanchez I think he forgot that Ultron is a robot, and doesn't need 10 years of human development to form a personality and goals.
pablo sanchez naaa Ultron just too generic, another robot bad guy? I mean it's not like we have any ROBOT MOVIE over the last 5 years right?
And let's be fair, Ultron got "gang raped" last minute.
I like bloki better but maudes comment made me laugh.
I have to agree with Shnepp for almost everything that was mishandled (in my opinion). The pacing seemed so uneven and rushed, the fact that the original cut was 3h30 to 4h00 explains a lot, though I feel like they could have edited it better in terms of pausing for breaths throughout the incessant action (in order to set-up and develop newly introduced characters for example). The Barton house was pretty much the only pause we had not including the party scene. The strengths of this movie definitely lie in the mix of frenetic action, humor and the tone that they create throughout the movie.
That being said, the character development was way too unbalanced. Now, the core Avengers team doesn't need anymore deep development given the first Avengers movie and all the stand alone movies set-up and defined these characters very well. However, my statement was rather made to address Hawkeye, Utron, the vision and especially the twins. I felt their powers were intentionally explained very vaguely (and simply) because of their comic book origins (being mutants, connection to Magneto etc.) and the fact that either Whedon wasn't satisfied with being unable to fully expand on those character ties or that he simply didn't want to dredge up the comic book nerd-rage of the masses that a fully fleshed out, completely different origin might have awakened (unlikely though, given Joss's nonchalance when it comes to haters).
It seemed as if they (Joss Whedon and the writing team) felt the need to make up for the lack of development with Hawkeye from the first movie and made a point of overexposing his character in this movie as a result. They also used this for misdirection (are they setting him up to die?), but man did I feel it was underwhelming when Pietro bit the bullet(s) instead. It just felt like a waste of a character (even if I too felt it necessary and convenient given the Wanda/Vision connection and the fact that quicksilver was a quite poorly developed character).
The lack of exposition for his character compared to Hawkeye, (although quicksilver's sacrifice was well set-up and executed given the Hakeye/Pietro rivalry etc.) made Pietro seem like an extra on set (or a bench warmer, whichever is more insulting) simply being "present", none of his dialogue felt "real" or had any impact. The part with his parents and his relationship with his sister for example were all well *explained* but I felt no emotional weight or attachment hitting me while I heard all this information being uttered by the character.
Then there's Thor's Fever Dream WTF scene, which obviously had only one purpose (besides exposing all of Chris Hemsworth's hard work in the gym), which was to emphasize the ominous foreshadowing of the Infinity War. The way it was handled however felt rushed, forced and disconnected from rest of the movie. I also figured the Hulk exiling himself opened up a door for a World War Hulk Arc and possibly a movie. Though that's always been a point of contention for many reasons in terms of a stand alone movie. So I'll leave that bit of speculation on the sidelines for now, much like The Hulk
Lastly, Ultron was disappointing. Again my feelings mirror Shnepp's 100%. His origin felt rushed, even given John's reasoning, the explanation of how he was "born" wasn't the problem for me. The fact that he became sentient so quickly and then just arrived to the "logical" conclusion of his form and function and our (humanity's) role in his mission (adapt or die, evolution or genocide) felt like such a rushed necessity for the sole purpose of having an Avengers level threat that it formed a disconnect and took away from all of his qualities in the process (though it didn't make his one-liners any less funny).
I loved his personality and again the reasoning behind it holds up, Tony stark mixed with Hydra fanaticism, extremism and Baron Strucker's Madness. The problem was the lack of development. What makes Ultron so pleasantly Ironic is the fact that he contradicts his whole assessment of human evolution by simply existing. Never fully realizing just how flawed and human like he actually is, which is something I would've loved to have seen more of, not just through his personality, but more like the last conversation he had with The Vision (who I felt was very well handled in comparison). Also the fact that Vision has one of the Infinity gem's on his head will definitely make him a target for Thanos soon enough. I'm interested to see how that is handled and what consequences it will create for The Vision character.
All that being said, this movie still fulfilled it's purpose, which was to entertain.
I give it 7.5/10 while I gave the first Avengers 8.5/10. Still highly recommend seeing it for pure entertainment value and a visual feast.
Great spoilers review as always.
Best Stan Lee cameo yet! I loved the party scene you got the felling of the team just hanging out together. Ironman and Thor having a "my girlfriend tops your girlfriend arguement", Natasha and Banner doing more than flirting, picking up Thor's hammer and James Rhodes failed joke and then he crushes it so much in that scene I don't know how Joss does it.
the magical hot tub would ve been a perfect moment to introduce dr strange
daolchang or black panther, like "oh i hear wakanda has a magical hot tub"
daolchang wonder if the hot tub scene was also because of stuff about CA:CW is there not a shot of a female going into the grotto?
Can someone explain why the hulk has issues becoming and returning to normal( with bw's help) ? I thought he was in control and ok with his hulkness after the first avengers?
The pros in this movie far outweigh its cons, this movie has too much going for it to be considered anything less than good.
no one gives a fuck about what you have to say
The gaylord touched my thigh you do though, hence the comment.
I'm going to be the one that says it. ...I felt this movie blew the first one out of the water, and I actually did feel for qs when he dies , I think the key scene for me that made me attached to the twins was when pietro is telling ultron their story I found that pretty powerful. There are some flaws yes, but overall imo this one takes the cake. Love this review guys keep up the good work.
One thing John and crew didn't cover was the Hulkbuster suit. I loved the way it was done. 1st, having it in orbit to reach anywhere on Earth quickly. 2nd, knowing Banner helped design it to defeat himself. 3rd, having - essentially - a factory hovering above the fight and supplying Iron Man replacement parts for what the Hulk breaks or rips off during the fight was sensible and a great touch.
This movie was such a let down for me. The pacing, cgi, and even the villain was a let down. I thought we were going to have a bad ass villian, but instead it was like the mandarin in iron man 3, trailers showed an awesome villian but once the movie started it was a whole different character. I didnt even care when quicksilver died because there was no character development for him. The one thing that Marvel lacks is there villians. Every villian in the marvel universe has been a let down, ultron was at least a step up from the villians we have seen
*loki is the exception though
Daniel Ventura I completely agree on Ultron. But I still think Loki kinda sucks.
sm4carnageihope I agree with you, but there are a few redeeming qualities about his character nonetheless he's still a "better" villian than the rest
Daniel Ventura I still think the best one is Red Skull. Loki's actually one of the worst in my opinion and still preferred Ultron despite my problems with him.
I personally like ultron more than loki
I feel like Baron Strucker should've been developed more. Thomas Kretschmann is way too talented to play such a small role
They even killed him. What's with Marvel killing villains who could serve an overarching plot? Makes me doubt that a Masters of Evil will ever happen
And they didn't even show him dying! I feel like half the people who aren't huge marvel fans had no idea who was in the picture
Schnepp knows what he's talking about.
GOTG gem was the POWER stone, visions gem was the MIND Stone. maybe for all the gems to reach full potential it need to be powered by the POWER stone.
They mentioned Quicksilver's accelerated metabolism in the story, but never really touched on it after that. Does anyone not think there is still a possibility that he is alive? Doesnt seem likely with so many shots, but still. :)
I think Avengers age of ultron was Amazing!!
I must have seen an entirely different movie. I thought the movie was rushed... I feel like there is too much comedy in these movies. This movie was too cheesy and a fanboys wet dream. Ultron was not scary in the least bit, it was very comical.... Disappointment
Terrell060 I agree and I think just by watching this movie, it had critics confuse because they would write a good review and still give it a negative score for the movie. It had way too much comedy all over the film and most were horrible placed in the film.
Ultron made no sense. "Hey I'm Ultron, apparently people suck so I'm gonna kill them." Where the hell did that come from? Marvel fails villain again and such big villain should have been good. QS also sounded girly. Rest was pretty good.
I 100% agree with Schnepp, my other problem with it is that at times it felt like they were just checking boxes for phase 3, I'd still give it 7.5 or 8/10
Quicksilver's death definitely helps to further along Scarlet Witch and Vision's relationship (as y'all pointed out in your review) but I can see Pietro's death being used as a plot point in the upcoming Doctor Strange movie as well. I've heard that Scarlet Witch will be in it and she's supposedly gonna be trained by the Sorcerer Supreme in the movie. So Pietro's death could be used as something that weighs heavy on her and could be some sort of emotional block while she's training, or it could be the opposite and it makes her rage out of control and she will have to get trained so she can keep her powers from destroying everything in sight (kinda like Phoenix/Dark Phoenix).
XmenMagnetoAcolytes I never said he was going to come back. Not sure where you got that from, as I said that the DEATH of Pietro would weigh heavily on Scarlet Witch (because he's her twin) and that could be used as a plot point for Doctor Strange, as she will be his apprentice in the movie. Once again, the weight of Quicksilvers DEATH could be used as a plot point as to why Scarlet Witch can't master her powers in Doctor Strange. Btw I'm not saying that it will be used as a plot point, just that it could. The point being that I never said that I thought Quicksilver would be brought back to life. That would take away the purpose of him dying in the first place! They killed him mainly to show the fans that characters can actually die in this universe, which gives more weight to the stakes of the movies. Bringing him back would just piss the fans off at this point.
9?, Come on,...This movie is not good. The plot is simple and was terribly executed. The pacing is way off, the tone uneven, repetitive humor and worse of all, what could have been a great villain, was rushed and not well developed. I mean, Ultron had less screen time and back story than hawkeye and black widow. Quicksilver could've made a great avenger that would actually have cool super powers. This movie bothered me more than TASM2. I am not a hater, but this movie was really disappointing. At least The vision was a good point in the movie.
I wish Jeremy Jahns was on here!
I love you.
Elias Hodge He is just the best youtube movie reviewer.
Movie lacks loki and alien invasion 7/10 big disappointment.
Except it had the same rehashed climax with robots instead of aliens.
Nathan smith it felt for me like usual day in avengers day routine the stakes were not high enough for me.
After watching Avengers: Age of Ultron of Ultron in IMAX 3D, RealD 3D (Friday and Saturday), and it was spectacular. This movie really leveled the playing field even more giving hints about 4 storylines that are about to happen (Avengers Infinity Wars Part 1 & 2, Civil War, Thor Ragnarok, and Black Panther). Divulging more into Barton's backstory was amazing. Seeing Barton having a family was beautiful. Storyline between Natasha Romanov and Bruce Banner trying to have a relationship was a nice stretch. Loved the Beauty and the Beast moments between the Widow and The Hulk. James Spader as Ultron was just menacing in so many levels and he can sing. When Spader's Ultron sings No Strings on me it gave me goosebumps. He just embodied Ultron so gracefully and you can see human type characteristic in him. Vision's entrance into the fold was great and especially Vision and Ultron having that face/off was incredible. Just seeing his transformation from Jarvis to this bio-organic android with the mind infinity stone was perfect. I think Serkis was born to play Ulysses Klaue and I was right about Ultron making his dealings with Klaue when it came to getting more vibranium to create his army. The Maximoff Twins were great and loved there sokovian accents. I kind of felt Scarlet Witch's power was a combination of Charles Xavier, Jean Grey and Emma Frost while Quicksilver was quicksilver as he reacts fast. Seeing that epic tie-in jump shot in the beginning of the film was epic. All the other nice cameos and supporting cast from Sam Wilson, James Rhodes, Erik Selvig, Nick Fury, Maria Hill were great.
I definitely prefer AoU to the original. The first avengers has no re-watch value in my opinion because it's all buildup to that moment when the team finally gets formed. The buildup is GREAT, but watching it again has little to no payoff after having seen the end result.
AoU does have a better villain in my opinion, and I LOVE each and every one of the new characters. Every second that Vision's on screen is gold, and seeing the evolution of scarlet witch is great.
I would rank the MCU movies:
1. Iron man
2. Guardians of the Galaxy
3. Captain America 2
4. Avengers 2
5. Avengers
The movie sucked, end of review.
And why is it female critics or just average Janes always have to mention hot the male lead is? It makes it difficult to take them serious. Male critcs gets some serious eye rolls if they do the same.
this is the transformer of the marvel universe, to much action and not enough depth
Age of Ultron sucked. Too many jokes and one liners. Ultron was a pathetic ass villain, ultron struggled against iron man alone and he was no match for Vision with the infinity stone. I was hoping for a bad ass ultron that brought the avengers to their knees, instead we got the avengers easily crushing all of ultrons minions....smh
This was a good, yet messy entertainment. While I liked the banter between our heroes, the action sequences, and the hat tips to future MCU movies (you know that started with Tony's Scarlet Witch-induced trance!), I walked away from my first viewing with three problems:
1. 3D: After watching this movie, 3D has completely lost its value proposition. By the end of the movie there's no sense of 3D, and I could barely tell any of the blacks on the screen. Next time I see it will be in 2D
2. Ultron's early evolution: When he first appears to the Twins, what's left unanswered is "How did he get into this metallic form from what we saw in Stark Tower?"
3. Ultron's (lack of) ferocity: We have a villain with a god complex who takes up multiple robotic forms at once, can control computers, and is composed of vibranium by the film's climax. He could have been a bit more formidable to the world -- taking over anything within a electronic circuit, shutting down the Internet, and (literally) breaking Cap in half. He had more potential.
I might change my mind after a next viewing, and after seeing the future MCU films, but for now, that's where I stand.
the "power stone" unlocks the potential of the other stones thats why thanos will go for that one first and if im not mistaken that stone is with the nova core
Finally most critics aren´t kissing Marvel´s ass as much this time. I´m glad. Their movies are just well done average flicks. At the end of the day not even the ass kissing can beat Nolan´s Batman trilogy not even when it comes to rates by critics.
sanyrub Is that the same trilogy that's shot in plenty of shadow, disorienting close ups and choppy editing to conceal the director's utter ineptitude in action sequences? It's clunky and leaden. Heath Ledger was really great though.
Iam Miasma LMAO So a movie is a as great as the action and that´s it? :) No wonder mediocre movies like Fast and Furious or most Marvel flicks are so successful with people like you buying tickets.
sanyrub Your opinion isn't fact, fuck off, mate. You seem really delusional to be honest...
True Dot Aww what a great argument! Yours is fact, right? lmao
sanyrub Oh the DC fanboy! Too bad TDK trilogy only has one great film and 2 extremely mediocre ones.
I can't stop thinking that last minute scene till it get to the credits with Captain America and Black widow training Vision, War Machine, Falcon and Scarlet witch in that room. It made think that Spider-Man could end up in that Training Room being Trained by Captain America himself.
If Jon Schnepp, the worlds biggest nerd, had issues with the film that means the film had issues. I enjoyed the movie, it frustrated me but still enjoyed it.
I value Schnepps opinion more highly than any other member of this team when it comes to comic book stuff.
I have a theory..
If you notice the connection between Ultron and Scarlet witch, Ultron seems to be more nurturing towards her.. On the train, he says "you don't have to do this" to scarlet witch, and when the chunk of Europe fell, ultron told scarlet witch, "if you stay, you will die" this proves that ultron actually has feelings for scarlet witch! He actually cared for her health and wellbeing! Obviously in the comics vision has a relationship with scarlet witch, and hopefully Ultron's feelings for scarlet witch get passed on to vision when ultron transmitted part of his brainwaves into vision!
Also one slightly disturbing theory. When scarlet witch left ultron, obviously ultron will feel sad and alone, so he kidnapped black widow to keep him company as roughly said in the movie, but is it just me or when black widow woke up in Slovakia, she was no longer wearing her bra and you could see her nipples through her suit... And her zip was slightly lowered.. To me, this feels like ultron dealt with his loss by kidnapping another woman and possibly did something "funny" to her as she was unconscious! Ultron has no genitals so I would not go as far to say rape, but ultron certainly DID do something to black widow! It's either that, or scarlet johanson's nipples just perked in the cold climate. Mmmmmm| johanson's nipples :3
Bruce Banner Sorry Bruce.. had to go on and talk about robots groping your gal's tatas
Ultron had so much potential, he was done okay. I do like how they gave him a human characteristic but that also took away from him being the villain that was shown in the trailers. I wished Ultron would've fought more. Yeah he fought a little bit with iron man, captain America and very little with Thor and vision... Really little fight with vision. I wanted him to be more imposing, the trailer really got me into him and I was legit scared for the avengers because none of them seemed that strong to take down a robot like him. I was let down with how they took him out. One scene in particular that I'm mixed on is the scene when he tells Wanda if she doesn't get off the land that she'll die. Why does he care?! He wants to wipe everyone out. But I kinda get why because earlier in the movie he empathized the twins situation, but still... Come on.
I would have preferred more time with Ultron's origin instead of Hawkeye's back story. Only because he's my least favorite Avenger. But this was a super fun movie.
Totally agree with Schnepp on this. The movie was good, but imbalanced.
Ultron's genesis was rushed.
Too much emphasis on Hawkeye and Banner/Widow's relationship.
I'm with Schnepp. Vision's scenes were the most elevated parts of the movie for me. Bettany just had this otherworldly presence to him. I loved it!
I also agree with the pacing issues. I felt them as well, specifically with how suddenly Ultron was created and how he was pretty much instantly evil. I would have liked to see that as having been a transformation. Maybe he started out as a success but then, realizing how truly futile his purpose was, turned on the Avengers or spun his purpose differently as he continued to process it. I think that sense of betrayal and failure would have contributed that much more to the weight of Ultron and the effect he would have had on Tony, and the team.
I felt some real tension in the Widow-Hulk scenes, because I kept feeling like her lullaby thing wasn't going to work this time and thought Hulk was going to wind up swatting Widow away, heh. That said, everything else about the "Brutasha" relationship was a waste to me and I contend it was out of place in the movie. A lot of the beats that they had together I think could have been better handled by a deeper friendship, if they were necessary at all. One of my issues with it though was that it sort of ret-conned Banner's supposed control that he displayed at the end of the first Avengers. Whether they had this relationship or not in the movie really had no impact on his berserk scene, as that was all Scarlet Witch's doing. Out of everything in this movie, this was the thing I was the most skeptical of. And there were moments where I really thought it was going to work, I really did, but then they didn't, and it turns out that its what worked the least for me out of everything..
Now I'm not sure if this is fair or not, but one of my disappointments (and this is really rather minor, because I think the movie makes up for it) was the tone. The trailers, especially the earlier ones, made you feel like this was going to be a darker, deeper film, in much the same way the Winter Soldier was, if not more so. I was craving that tone. But scenes like the Avengers down and out and the shield broken was just a vision (darn that misdirect!), or the scene where Cap loses the vehicles over the bridge didn't actually come to have consequences because Thor just happens to fly up and save them. I really wanted to feel the weight of their failures in this film and to see how they sprung back from it, if at all. They really made it seem like nothing could go wrong. Granted, that may lend itself to making some of the coming films that much more impactful when crap does hit the fan, but it also makes me skeptical moving forward that the stakes will ever be all that high.
Ultron was not as menacing or as formidable as I was expecting, but I still really enjoyed his personality. I do wish he was though. I feel like he could have been, while still being really funny and cool in other ways, and if he was, I think he would have been elevated as a villain and as a character for... well, everyone.
All that said, I really enjoyed this film. Those were just some of the things I wish would have been handled differently, but so much of this film was great; the action, the wit, the humor, a lot of the character moments. It was a true spectacle and I can't wait to see it again!! xD
But what i really liked about that speech on top of the Humor from Hawkeye , was that he came across as a father figure towards scarlet. The twins more or less grew up with no father , they only had each other...they are then put in a bad spot in this fight and we see scarlet's vulnerable side like a scared child (which was awesome) so to me we saw more of this Paternal side to Hawkeye which Scarlet witch needed in that moment. I loved that scene a lot.
I found it really odd that when Captain America was on the helicarrier at the end of the battle he was lying next to Quicksilvers dead body. It made it seem like Quicksilver wasn't dead, but going to get medical attention and Cap was looking after him.
I almost teared up when The Vision asks Ultron "why are you afraid?" and they show Ultron all beat up and he answers "Because of you"...That Ultron human moment hit me.
We didn't get a set-up to 'Civil War'? Well that may be true, but we got a glimpse into what will happen when the heroes CHOOSE SIDES when Banner and Hawkeye were with Iron Man and Captain America had the Maximoff twins at his side at the scene where they wanted to create/destroy the Vision.
We get to see Iron Man vs. Captain America little fight, I got goosebumps when I saw them fighting.
That's what I thought....
I agree with John that Ultron's creation worked perfectly in terms of buy-in because of where Ultron came from, and also his first act was to "kill" Jarvis. I also agree that Quicksilver really did have an impact other than just the surprise. He had actual charisma and grabbed me.
I am glad they mentioned the line that Hawkeye said, "The city is floating and I have a bow & arrow. Nothing makes sense." ha ha.. I laughed so hard at that.. It was such a "Real" moment right there, along with the part they also mentioned, where Scarlet Witch sees that her brother dies, and the Ultron minions are surrounding her and she just disintegrates them all.. it really does put things into perspective as to how much untapped power she has that she isn't aware of, or anyone is aware of for that matter. It will be so awesome to see what they have for us in the future..
Hey AMC, big fan here :)
About Quicksilver death scene... It wasn't surprising at all,thanks to Marvel Studio !!! See, months before this movie, they announced that Jeremy Renner is returning for Civil War.
And not only that...but, several days before AOU is released, the studio made a spoiler again - by announcing that only Elizabeth Olsen (out of twins) is returning for Civil War..
Irony,right? I stood away from any message boards to avoid spoilers, and Marvel spoiled it instead...