One thing I love about Tywin is that he never gives anyone his full attention, he’s always doing something while talking to people, such a subtle power play
I kinda see why it was cut though, Tywin seems a little out of character to me here, not the sort of guy to ever think his family won't stay ontop. Also a bit naive of him to assume that most of the sycophants under his employ are doing it for any other reason then the power and influence of his house. Also would be strange that he would fault him for taking Cersi's side over Tyrion as he hates Tyrion and Cersi clearly has more power and influence at this point. He was put into a position that he was going to have to betray one of them. The whole scene makes Tywin look dim
@@riftvallance2087 I disagree with you. Firstly, Tywin did know they could be vulnerable. That’s why he was how he was, brutal and tactical and controlling with fear. As far as why he would be mad, he didn’t like Tyrion but even so he wouldn’t have someone in his house disrespected by somebody who wasn’t. It was seen as an insult to him.
I think it was cut because Pycelle couldn't possibly react like he did. How would he continue to act from now on? He can't just suddenly drop the act, but now he can't keep it up either. The appropriate course would've been to retain plausible deniability but to stop flaunting the act in front of Tywin.
This was really good and really well acted. But I think the scene with Pycell and Roz gets the same idea across more humorously, subtlety and succinctly. Showing rather than telling us he’s like that old Chinese magician from The Prestige. Single-mindedly focused on reinforcing the elaborate deception that he’s absentminded, slow-witted and frail. Though, in retrospect this scene does spell out way more clearly how much Cersei underestimated Pycell and likely played right into his game.
It wasn't a sign of respect or love. Tywin is actually saying "You defied me, as I sent me son here." He hates Tyrion, but to the outside, Tyrion is STILL a Lannister, that means Tywin has to call out the Betrayal.
Come on dawg he didn’t mean that in any type of love or affection for Tyrion . Think of it as this, imagine you send your son to work in your place and he gets betrayed, regardless of whether you love your son or not why would he betray him? Perhaps he betrays anyone no matter what house they’re apart of. Remember Tywin values his house above all things so betraying Tyrion shows to him that his house is being disrespected or betrayed. If it were revealed Tyrion wasn’t his real son biologically he’d probably want to kill him personally himself and would enjoy it
@@thecaptain9212 Tyrion don’t look like gigachad Peter Dinklage btw, in real life Tyrion was rather monstrous therefore Tywin could have a little more reason to hate him than what we can understand. Google Tyrion Lannister in book
Tywin is the perfect example of changing source material without ruining it. In the books, he would NEVER do something like catch fish himself in common clothes like that; he never believed in getting his own hands dirty, to keep up a perfect, almost superhuman image of himself to intimidate with. This Tywin is different, but so so good on his own.
One of the VERY few examples of where the screenplay was better designed than the books. I find GRRM is entrenched with ego in the view of his characters, he forgets to ground them and give them an element of relatability for viewers/readers. What they did with the screenplay to do this makes Tywin one of the best and most divisive characters of the story (exactly like Stannis) and all it took was a few small tweaks and altered POVs. You give people like the Mountain the top villain traits where he is reviled across the board - but Tywin is one of those characters you need division of appeal over to give him his level of story importance.
It was only added for its symbolism. He's catching and killing fish, which is the sigil for house Tully. It's the same symbolism displayed when he was first introduced by skinning a stag, the sigil for house Baratheon
Scenes like this one, and the ones with Arya, show us who Tywin really is. And it shows just what a great actor Charles Dance is; he is very deserving of his fame.
In many ways, Tywin was the right man for the realm. His biggest folly was his lack of attention to his children. He hated and dismissed Tyrion's genius, used Cersei as political capitol without regard to her sanity, and tried to force Jaime into a mold he couldn't fit. Tyrion was his true successor, and Jaime never wanted anything other than knighthood and honor. Cersei just needed her father's love.
@@codyrawiri-pettit5526 dud the man saved casterly rock from the huge debt and served as hand of the king with a majestic succes for years. tyrion is not an upgraded tywin, he is Just a copy tywin with a heart. plus he can reach the level of varys and littlefinger. not saying so close btw.
The way Tywin handles the sigil animals of his rival houses is quite something. He skinned a stag, burnt a wolf pelt, and now in this scene he's fishing trouts. Tywin really is like a lion. Always staying on top of the food chain.
Sadly most men remain boys or act like women and girls, real men catch their own fish and skin their own deer. the woke mob would never be able to do so, they are too preoccupied with sex and perversions.
Charles Dance commands every scene he's in, but Julian Glover really shows his acting chops here, initially playing a bumbling fool, but is truly a cunning man underneath that façade. It makes perfect sense why George Lucas would choose him for the roles of General Maximilian Veers in "Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back" and Walter Donovan in "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade."
I wish this scene wasn’t cut. It shows several things. He trusts Tyrion’s instincts about people, he is not easily fooled, he isn’t afraid to roll up his sleeves and get dirty to get the job done. It’s a great scene,
When he speculates on his house losing power shows how Tywin doesn't let his ego get the better of him. He knows the power he holds is temporary. I can't imagine anyone else other than Dance playing the character. Truly a gem of the show.
This scene was probably deleted because it already shows you what you already know and adds little. - While he clearly disrespects Tyrion, he does know his son can do the job if need be, he wouldn't give him important titles like Hand of the King or even Master of Coin if he thought it would lead to more incompetence on Tyrion's part. - Tywin has already shown he's no fool plenty of times in the show too, most especially the scenes with Arya, of course Tywin can't know it's Arya since she'd be dead if that were the case, but that part of the story showcases Arya's and Tywin's skill of deceptiveness. - "He isn't afraid to get his hands dirty", which is shown in I think his first appearance when he talks to Jaime in S1 while he skins a deer he hunted down while in his war tent. Even Pycelle's stuttering here felt a bit on the nose, since we saw who he actually was earlier on in the show in a more subtle way while getting ready for the morning, and I think that was with no dialogue too.
@@SteelBallRun1890 Honestly as someone who has not read the books this scene completely changed my perspective on Pycelle. I always just thought he was the most amazing bootlicker in the 7 kingdoms. I didn't realize his bootlicking was an act with ulterior motives.
The sad thing about this show was there are deleted scenes in the first four seasons that are better and more satisfying to watch than the entire remainder of the series.
Bro winds of winter also satisfying episode. I know there are many flaws here and there. But that episode is so satisfying. Though the season itself was pretty average. But finale is good. And i agree with u still except that episode.
the sad thing about this show is that it bred spoiled 'fans' who love to shit all over it just because the end wasn't as good as the beginning, and didn't meet their unbelievably high expectations so then it must be total garbage.
@@whitedevil2 There were a few good moments in the last four seasons, but for the most part, and in comparison to the first four seasons, it was total garbage. Relatively speaking. It was not just "not as good", it was significantly worse than the standard it set for itself. I didn't set it, neither did the fans.
It's a tragedy that he was so smart and could see through people so easily, but couldn't see Tyrion's value. They could have changed the course of history together.
It sounds like one of those: "All these hangers yet you don't hang with me." ... (You know, from those forever single quotes:- All these wires, yet we couldn't connect. All these doors yet you decided to shut me out. All these pampers yet you decided to shit on me.)
Love can make someone blind, and the same can be said about hate, maybe even more. In Tywin's eyes not only did Tyrion kill his beloved wife but also came to this world as a dwarf, which is a disgrace in Westeros' culture. Let's say Tyrion was born a normal man, he would likely be the prime successor of Tywin, since Jaime took the vow and isn't as bright and cunning. Only Cersei will still hate him because of the cxnt she is, although it wouldn't stop Tyrion from becoming the favorite child. Tyrion is the one who actually thinks of house Lannister's interest out of all siblings, Jaime only cares about his knighthood and Cersei, and Cersei is a dumb person who thinks she has the same intelligence as her father. Not to say Joffrey turned out to be a monster, and Tywin couldn't care less about his death. Tywin as a character always cares more about what you can do for the family rather than picking favorites, he doesn't care about their feelings that much. Deep down he knew Tyrion is the most capable man, just overwhelmed by the hate.
He actually has seen tyrion's value as he let him be hand of the king. Had tyrion followed his order to not bring his prostitute to court, Tywin may have let him be the true heir of house Lannister.
@@Leo-nc3yx he still had favourites thought like children ranking 1 is jaime 2 is cersei 3 is tyrion cause is tyrion literally turned deaf at everyone saying YOUR TWINS ARE FOKING each other and hasn't produced the right type of heir wanting jaime to inherit casterly rock eventhough doesn't want it doesn't have the right when it should have been given to tyrion
See I'm of the belief that he did know tyrions value but it was his one emotional flaw, the fact his wife died giving birth to tyrion that he couldn't accept it. I think despite his calm, rational demeanor he couldn't see tyrion and not see such a wretched creature being the cause of someone he actually loved dying. There are several occasions where he acknowledges tyrions worth but only for a short time. He ignored his two perfects children's incest but was enraged tyrion visits to hookers. In the end tyrion represented a less than perfect imagine of lanniasters and was to blame for death of his mother.
Pycelle was one of the most cunning characters in all of game of thrones series, a man who is seen as weak everyone let's their guard down around him, but in truth, he is the wolf hiding in the shadows waiting for the perfect moment to strike. Pycelle survived the throne changing hands, several wars, and only was killed when cersi wanted her puppet in his position, not for Pycelle betraying several kings.
One of the things I liked was how they demonstrated that Tywin was not a man simply of intellect. He used his intellect to achieve superior success in practical fields. Even if Tywin Lannister had lost everything he would be able to hunt and dress a deer or fish for his diner, unlike his less capable children.
Kind of tragic that while he himself could succeed in so many circumstances, he couldn't ensure his children could do the same. The one last thing integral for the legacy he yearned to forge, he could never get right, ultimately failing in the only area he truly cared about. He could apply his intelligence to so many things, but never to the raising of his own children. I guess that makes him a very unique kind of dumbass doesn't it?
What gets me the most is that this is perhaps the only time we actually see pycelle being who he really is. Phenomenal performance from both actors, so much character building in just a 2:20 scene. (Better then the whole of season 7 & 8 lol) This definitely wouldve helped us understand pycelles role in the story so much better but I can understand how this removes a lot of the mystery element to the show. Considering how much of pycelles character and his intentions they revealed.
@@sweatyzeusgaming It also shows it in his first scene of season three. When Tyrion is waking up to Pycell treating him in his new quarters which were not the tower of the hand.
Julian Glover and Charles Dance are both Legends. It's truly disappointing that this scene was removed from GOT. Fortunately, at least we get to see them for a couple of moments
CRAZY change, even his voice totally changed. I didn't expect such an amazing coming from this guys, both of them. His reasoning was also amazing. Unbelievable that this scene was cut.
Its strange to see Tywin fishing. Its usually a very relaxed, laid back activity and he doesn't wear any expensive clothing. Its probably the most serene you will ever see him and yet he still passes the time discussing the fate of a man.
He’s shown butchering a stag in Season 1 before the fall of House Baratheon (stag is their sigil). In this scene he is shown killing a trout (the sigil of House Tully) before the Red Wedding/surrender of Riverrun to the Frey’s. Great foreshadowing
The irony, is that every animal he kills himself is an animal he will fest on later. Just like on the house he will slaughter to enjoy the spoils of war. Quite poetic
Besides the animal foreshadowing, it's also telling that Tywin's only apparent hobby is still an inherently practical thing. His downtime still puts food on the table- literally.
@@BIastwave. It also shows that he does the work HIMSELF, instead of relying on others to do the work for him. Even though Tywin is HEAD of the Largest & most successful House in Westeros, he is still humble enough to WORK. THAT, is a True Leader. Tywin leads by example and from the front. It's kind of like actors who do their own stunts, regardless of the danger. And the only actor I know of to ACTUALLY climb a Skyscraper, is Tom Cruise. If you need to hire a stunt double, don't act.
And to think everyone was worried about the spider and little finger. The moment he drops the mask and you realize just how cunning an actor he was. What makes him so every deadly was he didn't want the throne. He was quite happy where he was. It's why no one noticed him. Despite his skill he had no ambition or hubris to undo him. A dangerous man indeed
They are the perfect trio: In the end, Littlefinger wanted to have the throne or atleast full control over whoever has the throne. The spider wanted to have a just and great ruler on the throne. And Pycelle just wanted to have someone on the throne that would let him stay "in the garden". Ironically that also meant there was little to no space for all three of them to achieve their goal at the same time
In the show, yes. But in the books, things are a bit different. First of all, Varys. It’s nice to portray him as the servant of justice, and fairness. But, in the books, he is the same as Pycelle in this scene with an allegiance towards house Targaryen/Blackfyre instead of Lannister. You see, he doesn’t care about the well-being of the realm. He cares about preparing a chaotic and terrible state ideal for a new ruler to appear. In fact, he even states it when he kills Kevan Lannister in book 4 or 5. He had to be removed, because he began to bring things back to the right way. But Varys didn’t want it. He wanted injustice towards the poor and fight between the Lannisters and Tyrrels. So when Aegon returns with the golden company, he will be seen as a long needed hero. And Littlefinger. Well, here you state it personally, why he is more dangerous than Pycelle: he desires the throne. He desires to be at top of the world, and his thirst for more can’t be satisfied. He serves no one, but himself and he can betray everyone in a glimpse the moment he sees it as a chance for him to climb higher. In the books, he doesn’t have that softness towards Sansa either. Well, Petyr does, but not Littlefinger. The man built up a mask for himself, one without emotions or empathy, one focused only on one thing: to get the throne. He is the most dangerous man in Westeros, and without the magical powers of Bran, he would have destroyed house Stark from the inside as well as he did to house Lannister. Also, if I remember correctly, in the books he is the one poisoning Joffrey too
That is definitely not why no one noticed him. Varys didn’t want the throne either. Why did people notice Varys if they both didn’t want to rule and that’s the reason he wasn’t found out?
@@Oaksteel1 my bad on that one then. In my memory, Ser Dontos was the one committing the poison in Petyr’s behalf, but then again, I read the books 5 years ago, so my memory is fading
This scene does so much to develop Pycelle’s character. His motivations, his real agenda, showing through his act. The other members of the council, little finger and Varys get fleshed out, but pycelle without this scene is just there, he’s just a Lannister toadie, why he even qualifies to be on the council makes less sense without this scene. He is a much more formidable player in the game than he appears.
I wish we'd seen more of this side of Pycelle, Julian Glover can be a terrifying actor, just look at the way he goes from the performance, rising up straight and speaking with a power in his voice to reveal the real man.
@@GreatOldOne9866 There was that one scene after being with the prostitute where Pycelle does some stretching and resets himself back to a slouch before leaving the room. He had been giving the information he was faking being feeble, but this scene would have been miles better.
I was always confused why they had shown us it was an act and then never brought it up again or had anyone notice now it makes sense they should have kept the scene
@@jdominguez6992 also in finale of s2 when tyrion wakes up and pycelle is in the room, he talks normally and stands straight up but tyrion never talks about it after
He exposed the act to Tyrion as well after the Battle of the Blackwater. He spoke with conviction just as he did here. Tyrion was already demoted as Hand, so Pycelle didnt see the need to put on the act at that moment
In this case the show really should have called out Pycelle's performance and the cut scene is great. But I can see how it doesnt really add to the overall story of GoT, its just an interesting piece of context and texture.
What a scene. It doesn't only show how simple Tywin can be, fishing without wearing some expensive clothes and without having guards, he does it by himself, but the scene also shows who Pycelle really is. It would have seemed impossible that a coward and a weak old man like him being in that position for so long, but when he straigthens up and starts talking normal way, you really see who he actually is. He was one of the players who played Game of Thrones, and he did it near perfectly. This scene shows that Pycelle is also a very powerful and dangerous man. And most importantly, Tywin hunting on fish is ironic, as few episodes later he "paid" for the Red Wedding to kill Catelyn and give Riverrun to Freys, just like he skinned a Stag and then Robert Baratheon died in the same episode. I can never understand why they deleted this
The scene is good but I don’t think the show needs to spoon feed us everything. The viewer should work out that Pycelle is playing the game well and putting on an act without this scene. Subtleness is sometimes better.
@@hbsblkk3842 yes, but let's not forget this was not the first season or beginning of the show. This is middle of third season, and learning that Pycelle had been playing all this time and actually he is a very serious and dangerous man would have been another amazing mini-twist of GoT
@@nikoloznasaridze6328 bro he was banging hookers on the regular lol (thats just one example 😂). It should’ve been clear to everyone that he was acting senile. I understand why they left the scene out.
arguably one of the few scenes on the cutting room floor that really should've been kept in. i'm glad it made it to the public one way or the other. this is in my head canon
Tywin was such a character.. He was such a grandpa figure, doing it all himself as a hobby, the cleaning of the deer the fishing along side his lectures. It's great
The stumbling before Tywin calls him out is a bit janky tbh, kind of overdoes it lol, I can see why they cut it. Especially as we later get a much more subtle scene where Pycelle shows he's much more sprightly on his own in private.
Absolutely crazy that they cut this scene. Seeing Pycelle in this light (we all know he's acting, but you never really get to see the man behind the mask) gives his character so much depth.
I mourned the death of Tywin more than any other character on this show. Charles Dance is simply incredible! He left a gaping hole on GoT that nobody could fill when he was gone...
Not Tywin as a character, just Charles as an actor you mean. I think we can all agree Tywin deserved it after all those dirty shits he planned/ordered. Killing Elia and her children, let the soldiers rape Tyrion's first wife, and plotting the red wedding with Frey.
@@Leo-nc3yx I actually missed Tywin as a character. He was such a great presence in the show and made it much more entertaining. Most characters on GoT deserve to die if you boil it down, so I don't look at it with real world morality. Just good tv and Tywin made good tv 🙏
@@MichaelHolmgaard That's what I meant lol! If it wasn't for Charles you probably won't like him as much. It's like people love Snape because of Alan Rickman, but people hate the book version of him since he was such a bummer, even J.K. Rowlings said she doesn't understand why people like Snape. And no, I don't agree that most people in GoT deserve to die, not Ed, not Robb, not Jon, not the Tyrells, not the Martells...... The people that deserve to die are mainly on Arya's lists, some get it and some haven't at least not until Grrm finishes his writing. And good people are dying like flies.
@@Leo-nc3yx I read the GoT books way before the show had come out and I really liked Tywin as a character there as well. I also really was intrigued by Snape in the Harry Potter books. Great characters don't have to be good people. In fact, the best characters are usually grey or downright evil. Tywin was one of the best characters on the show, both because of Charles' acting but also because George R R Martin had written him so well. Jaime is another example. He did horrible things but he was the most interesting character so I was rooting for him the whole time lol. These are fictional stories and characters, afterall. You don't have to import real world morals and feelings into it. Otherwise, where is the fun in it?? 😅
Yeah, it's true tywin did some horrible stuff, and had Robb stark and his pregnant wife murdered as well, but you really can't help but like him, he was a cunning character, and knew how to keep people in line. He even kept Joffree in check. Tywin definitely kept the story interesting as it went on.
I love how much of a badass Tywin is, and how down to earth he truly is for a noble man ruling such a house. He is catching his own fish, skinning and disembowling his own deer... what a man.
That, or too paranoid to let others feed him.. atleast the less he's being fed the lesser the chance someone's poisoned him.. besides, he also seem to enjoy hunting/getting his own food so that's like some birds with one stone..
@@D4rkenedskies I dont think paranoia is the issue, especially when he has it send to kitchen and cooked. It is more about him honing different skills (yes we see him mostly take care of food, but I can see him doing carpentry or forging as well). It is more like he is just basically a renaissance man.
@@tomasstana5423 Its respectable to see a man of nobility and/or royalty that is not afraid to get his hands dirty instead of letting the servants do everything for them ie although a comedy film Coming to America comes to mind where Eddie Murphy's character had servants even brush his teeth for him showing how spoiled the King (James Earl Jones) allowed him to be.
Hunting used to be a right only nobles had, as they owned the land and the animals on it, anyone else would be classed as a poacher, historically in Europe which this takes inspiration from.
@@D4rkenedskies It's more about the pride of using/eating your own craft. Tywin took pride in his hunting skills. I personally love eating food that I cooked myself. Pride is a silly thing, I tell you.
Can people stop pretending season 6 was good. It was Disney crap. The shows sell out season. Season 6 was everything GRRM hates about most fantasy stories
I love that Tywin finishes this scene sending the GREAT MASTER TO PUT FISH ON THE KITCHEN haha I love the ways he finds to show everyone that everyone is whenever he wants them and no tittle matter there
Tywin always seems to be prepping animals for the next meal whenever he’s giving a stern dressing down to someone. First Jaime with the deer now Pycelle with these fish
*The writers just forgot* that Pycelle was a pretty agile, smart man who had survived for so long out of sheer self preservation.. and wouldn’t get clapped by some kids..
@@dolamrothknight They didn't. I've seen the series through 4 times also (except the final season, only once for that abomination) and have never seen it till now. I think there's a similar scene in the books but have only read them through once.
Tywin is my fav character cause everyone ethier fears him or hates him but they all respect him cause all know he is the last proud lion of house lannister and a force to be reckoned with.
Self-sufficient... that's applying a modern connotation to his actions. No. He's a predator. Unafraid to do the dirty work. Why else kill and butcher the sigils of other houses?
I wish they would rerelease them whole show with an extended cut includes all deleted scenes! Scenes like this add so much character development. Tywin is seriously the best character on the show. Total no bullshit boss
Pycelle just admitted it was all a façade to make sure he stays on the table, tywin would definitely not keep someone like that on his council, he could rat tywin out at the best opportunity to get a better deal somewhere else
@@echosword6468 This may just be my interpretation. But, when Tyrion was having him thrown into the Black Cells, he put up a lot more of a struggle with the Hill Tribesmen than would make sense for his frailty.
I love this scene, the way Tywin so brutally calls him out, the way Pycell immediately stands tall and becomes a proud Imperial again (Star Wars fans know) and Tywin is getting his hands dirty with again, Sigils of houses he’s defeated. I also love that he isn’t sticking up for Tyrion, but for the position of hand and his order of Tyrion to make these calls and that Pycell has no right in questioning his acts. Also the “manner” in which he serves, then hands him his fish like he’s a servant just to remind him how much taller Tywin is in the garden.
I feel like this scene actually changes the character of Pycelle. Instead of a conniving coward he’s instead just a shrewd man trying to stay alive in a dangerous world. His treachery towards Tyrion wasn’t ill-willed it was simply in his own interest.
Well he is a conniving coward. Contrary to Varys and Littlefinger he isnt really plotting but just sucking up to the percieved strongest spying for them.
"That doesn't explain why I should have you back on my council" "The King's council, my lord" "I could have you return to dirt this afternoon" What a dialogue!! This shows that even old and (seemingly) weak Pycelle has got leverage in the game. I always wondered, who told Joffrey about Dany and her dragons. Varys and Littlefinger were no idiots to draw Tywin's attention, and certainly not Tyrion. It must have been Pycelle, again trying to get some leverage. But then Tywin strikes with his version of "POWER is Power". All leverages break when an iron hammer strikes
This scene is golden. They should have kept it. Great acting, great foreshadowing with the symbols / sigils, great character development. WTF did they cut it out?
Time constraints, most likely. Other scenes were deemed to be more important for the flow of the episode in which it was supposed to appear. Still a damn shame.
Charles Dance has been one of the most underrated and underappreciated actors since Alien3. I'm so happy that he is finally receiving recognition for his immense talent and presence.
Everyone's (rightly) talking about Tywin fishing and Pycelle revealing his true self, but what I really like about this scene is the actual topic of the conversation: Tywin supporting Tyrion's actions and decisions while he was acting Hand of the King.
@@DubFanLatino we already know that it's all an act, we've seen it before in the show when pycelle is arrested and when he is seeing Tyrion after he's injured in the battle of blackwater. I think they should have kept the scene, because it does make sense. It's adds a bit more to pycelle's act and his philosophy
One thing I love about Tywin is that he never gives anyone his full attention, he’s always doing something while talking to people, such a subtle power play
that makes the scene cersei tells him about the incest so much sharper. he was truly blindsided
When he does give people his full attention you see them squirm.
@@unflexian He wasn't blindsided. He knew, he just refused to believe it
Scene where he tells Arya to eat? Where they discuss legacy. What's he doing there?
Arya and Olenna have something to say about thay
It’s a CRIME this scene was cut. Absolutely brilliant acting. Especially when crafty old Pycelle finally quits his act.
I kinda see why it was cut though, Tywin seems a little out of character to me here, not the sort of guy to ever think his family won't stay ontop. Also a bit naive of him to assume that most of the sycophants under his employ are doing it for any other reason then the power and influence of his house. Also would be strange that he would fault him for taking Cersi's side over Tyrion as he hates Tyrion and Cersi clearly has more power and influence at this point. He was put into a position that he was going to have to betray one of them. The whole scene makes Tywin look dim
@@riftvallance2087 I disagree with you. Firstly, Tywin did know they could be vulnerable. That’s why he was how he was, brutal and tactical and controlling with fear.
As far as why he would be mad, he didn’t like Tyrion but even so he wouldn’t have someone in his house disrespected by somebody who wasn’t. It was seen as an insult to him.
I think it was cut because Pycelle couldn't possibly react like he did. How would he continue to act from now on? He can't just suddenly drop the act, but now he can't keep it up either. The appropriate course would've been to retain plausible deniability but to stop flaunting the act in front of Tywin.
It was cut because it's shit, a child's dream of Tywin and a bad performance of Pycelle.
Yep
The way he straightened his back and added conviction to his voice once called out was funny as hell lol
I died laughing
This was really good and really well acted. But I think the scene with Pycell and Roz gets the same idea across more humorously, subtlety and succinctly. Showing rather than telling us he’s like that old Chinese magician from The Prestige. Single-mindedly focused on reinforcing the elaborate deception that he’s absentminded, slow-witted and frail. Though, in retrospect this scene does spell out way more clearly how much Cersei underestimated Pycell and likely played right into his game.
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@@hobanagerik Excellent reference!
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"You betrayed my sons trust" i really wish Tyrion could have heard him say that.
It wasn't a sign of respect or love. Tywin is actually saying "You defied me, as I sent me son here." He hates Tyrion, but to the outside, Tyrion is STILL a Lannister, that means Tywin has to call out the Betrayal.
Come on dawg he didn’t mean that in any type of love or affection for Tyrion . Think of it as this, imagine you send your son to work in your place and he gets betrayed, regardless of whether you love your son or not why would he betray him? Perhaps he betrays anyone no matter what house they’re apart of. Remember Tywin values his house above all things so betraying Tyrion shows to him that his house is being disrespected or betrayed. If it were revealed Tyrion wasn’t his real son biologically he’d probably want to kill him personally himself and would enjoy it
@@thecaptain9212 Tyrion don’t look like gigachad Peter Dinklage btw, in real life Tyrion was rather monstrous therefore Tywin could have a little more reason to hate him than what we can understand. Google Tyrion Lannister in book
@@Uhcbfrfr just cuz he’s hideous doesn’t justify how he treated him I don’t get your point
@@thecaptain9212 Tyrion wasn't all morally good character either.
Tywin is the perfect example of changing source material without ruining it. In the books, he would NEVER do something like catch fish himself in common clothes like that; he never believed in getting his own hands dirty, to keep up a perfect, almost superhuman image of himself to intimidate with. This Tywin is different, but so so good on his own.
Exactly. It's very interesting too see the differences between the two.
I think book Tywin would never have been so kind with Arya for exemple.
One of the VERY few examples of where the screenplay was better designed than the books. I find GRRM is entrenched with ego in the view of his characters, he forgets to ground them and give them an element of relatability for viewers/readers. What they did with the screenplay to do this makes Tywin one of the best and most divisive characters of the story (exactly like Stannis) and all it took was a few small tweaks and altered POVs. You give people like the Mountain the top villain traits where he is reviled across the board - but Tywin is one of those characters you need division of appeal over to give him his level of story importance.
It was only added for its symbolism. He's catching and killing fish, which is the sigil for house Tully. It's the same symbolism displayed when he was first introduced by skinning a stag, the sigil for house Baratheon
@@Ugh-Fudge_BwanaI mean you explained why it's even better than what it seemed at the surface
Yea
Scenes like this one, and the ones with Arya, show us who Tywin really is. And it shows just what a great actor Charles Dance is; he is very deserving of his fame.
didnt even realize it was him in Aliens 3, he played the doctor in the prison
In many ways, Tywin was the right man for the realm. His biggest folly was his lack of attention to his children. He hated and dismissed Tyrion's genius, used Cersei as political capitol without regard to her sanity, and tried to force Jaime into a mold he couldn't fit. Tyrion was his true successor, and Jaime never wanted anything other than knighthood and honor. Cersei just needed her father's love.
he even deserves much much more fame the man is insanely talented
@@Lieutenant_Dude Tywin has a soldiers mentality. The iron throne demands an actors mentality. This is why Tyrion succeded him.
@@codyrawiri-pettit5526 dud the man saved casterly rock from the huge debt and served as hand of the king with a majestic succes for years. tyrion is not an upgraded tywin, he is Just a copy tywin with a heart. plus he can reach the level of varys and littlefinger. not saying so close btw.
The way Tywin handles the sigil animals of his rival houses is quite something. He skinned a stag, burnt a wolf pelt, and now in this scene he's fishing trouts. Tywin really is like a lion. Always staying on top of the food chain.
Quite ironic that most male lions are like Tyrion in nature.
Tywin is a goddamn Jaguar, man.
lets see him try that shit with a dragon
@@amity4600 A man can kill a dragon.
That never occurred to me until you said it. Woah..
@@amity4600 Good one! 😄
I fucking love Tywin. Skins his own deers, Catches his own fish.
Disses his own children...
Sadly most men remain boys or act like women and girls, real men catch their own fish and skin their own deer. the woke mob would never be able to do so, they are too preoccupied with sex and perversions.
When you have golden hands, it is better to do everything yourself
Skinning a Stag as the Baratheons fall, catching a killing Trout whilst planning the Red Wedding.
Same
Love how easily Pycelle accepts that he can’t deceive Tywin. It shows respect.
indeed, to continue this act would only insult Tywin. and we know how that ends.
0:26 Man really said Uhahmumumuhuhymahuhm
😂😂😂
He wasn't wrong
He sounds like Joe Biden. 😂
They better cast Joe Biden in the Netflix adaptation
Just watching two great actors act with good dialogue is such a joy
makes u wonder why is this deleted scene
the dialogue: my lord.. aha.. ahhh... ahhm..awa
Charles Dance commands every scene he's in, but Julian Glover really shows his acting chops here, initially playing a bumbling fool, but is truly a cunning man underneath that façade.
It makes perfect sense why George Lucas would choose him for the roles of General Maximilian Veers in "Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back" and Walter Donovan in "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade."
You know i never really cared for them, innocent or otherwise
Nah the acting is really subpar in this scene which makes it evident why they cut it
I wish this scene wasn’t cut. It shows several things. He trusts Tyrion’s instincts about people, he is not easily fooled, he isn’t afraid to roll up his sleeves and get dirty to get the job done. It’s a great scene,
When he speculates on his house losing power shows how Tywin doesn't let his ego get the better of him. He knows the power he holds is temporary.
I can't imagine anyone else other than Dance playing the character. Truly a gem of the show.
@@Si_Mondo he commanded every scene he was in.
This scene was probably deleted because it already shows you what you already know and adds little.
- While he clearly disrespects Tyrion, he does know his son can do the job if need be, he wouldn't give him important titles like Hand of the King or even Master of Coin if he thought it would lead to more incompetence on Tyrion's part.
- Tywin has already shown he's no fool plenty of times in the show too, most especially the scenes with Arya, of course Tywin can't know it's Arya since she'd be dead if that were the case, but that part of the story showcases Arya's and Tywin's skill of deceptiveness.
- "He isn't afraid to get his hands dirty", which is shown in I think his first appearance when he talks to Jaime in S1 while he skins a deer he hunted down while in his war tent.
Even Pycelle's stuttering here felt a bit on the nose, since we saw who he actually was earlier on in the show in a more subtle way while getting ready for the morning, and I think that was with no dialogue too.
@@SteelBallRun1890 Bingo
@@SteelBallRun1890 Honestly as someone who has not read the books this scene completely changed my perspective on Pycelle. I always just thought he was the most amazing bootlicker in the 7 kingdoms. I didn't realize his bootlicking was an act with ulterior motives.
The sad thing about this show was there are deleted scenes in the first four seasons that are better and more satisfying to watch than the entire remainder of the series.
Fax
Bro winds of winter also satisfying episode. I know there are many flaws here and there. But that episode is so satisfying.
Though the season itself was pretty average. But finale is good.
And i agree with u still except that episode.
Simply no
the sad thing about this show is that it bred spoiled 'fans' who love to shit all over it just because the end wasn't as good as the beginning, and didn't meet their unbelievably high expectations so then it must be total garbage.
@@whitedevil2 There were a few good moments in the last four seasons, but for the most part, and in comparison to the first four seasons, it was total garbage. Relatively speaking. It was not just "not as good", it was significantly worse than the standard it set for itself. I didn't set it, neither did the fans.
It's a tragedy that he was so smart and could see through people so easily, but couldn't see Tyrion's value. They could have changed the course of history together.
It sounds like one of those: "All these hangers yet you don't hang with me."
...
(You know, from those forever single quotes:-
All these wires, yet we couldn't connect. All these doors yet you decided to shut me out. All these pampers yet you decided to shit on me.)
Love can make someone blind, and the same can be said about hate, maybe even more. In Tywin's eyes not only did Tyrion kill his beloved wife but also came to this world as a dwarf, which is a disgrace in Westeros' culture.
Let's say Tyrion was born a normal man, he would likely be the prime successor
of Tywin, since Jaime took the vow and isn't as bright and cunning. Only Cersei
will still hate him because of the cxnt she is, although it wouldn't stop Tyrion from becoming the favorite child.
Tyrion is the one who actually thinks of house Lannister's interest out of all
siblings, Jaime only cares about his knighthood and Cersei, and Cersei is a dumb person who thinks she has the same intelligence as her father. Not to say
Joffrey turned out to be a monster, and Tywin couldn't care less about his death.
Tywin as a character always cares more about what you can do for the family rather than picking favorites, he doesn't care about their feelings that much. Deep down he knew Tyrion is the most capable man, just overwhelmed by the hate.
He actually has seen tyrion's value as he let him be hand of the king. Had tyrion followed his order to not bring his prostitute to court, Tywin may have let him be the true heir of house Lannister.
@@Leo-nc3yx he still had favourites thought like children ranking 1 is jaime 2 is cersei 3 is tyrion cause is tyrion literally turned deaf at everyone saying YOUR TWINS ARE FOKING each other and hasn't produced the right type of heir wanting jaime to inherit casterly rock eventhough doesn't want it doesn't have the right when it should have been given to tyrion
See I'm of the belief that he did know tyrions value but it was his one emotional flaw, the fact his wife died giving birth to tyrion that he couldn't accept it. I think despite his calm, rational demeanor he couldn't see tyrion and not see such a wretched creature being the cause of someone he actually loved dying. There are several occasions where he acknowledges tyrions worth but only for a short time. He ignored his two perfects children's incest but was enraged tyrion visits to hookers. In the end tyrion represented a less than perfect imagine of lanniasters and was to blame for death of his mother.
“I can have you returned to the dirt this afternoon if you like” 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼😂😂😂
Tywin was always one of my favourite characters I wish they’d kept this scene in
They never really did anything with maester guy pretending to be feeble when he is more spry. This scene adds a lot of context to both characters.
@@anorien7282 yeah completely agree! I love how his entire being changes from his posture to his eyes and voice it’s a really good scene :)
@@anorien7282 the prostitute scene where he turned from spry to feble
Is this a deleted scene? I don’t remember seeing it in the show
I remember this scene in the original HBO run.
How was this scene deleted?
Pycelle was one of the most cunning characters in all of game of thrones series, a man who is seen as weak everyone let's their guard down around him, but in truth, he is the wolf hiding in the shadows waiting for the perfect moment to strike. Pycelle survived the throne changing hands, several wars, and only was killed when cersi wanted her puppet in his position, not for Pycelle betraying several kings.
He did betray her by serving Tywin's' brother Kevan Lannister instead of herself. that's part of why she had him killed during the coup
In the Books, he's killed by Varys
Cunning? I don't think so, he just kept his head down.
@@thefracturedbutwhole5475 That’s cunning by more folks standards these days.
ammm cunning yeah, but he is not actively constructing plans, he just reacts to whatever happens, i'd compare him more to a coyote or smth
One of the things I liked was how they demonstrated that Tywin was not a man simply of intellect. He used his intellect to achieve superior success in practical fields. Even if Tywin Lannister had lost everything he would be able to hunt and dress a deer or fish for his diner, unlike his less capable children.
Kind of tragic that while he himself could succeed in so many circumstances, he couldn't ensure his children could do the same. The one last thing integral for the legacy he yearned to forge, he could never get right, ultimately failing in the only area he truly cared about.
He could apply his intelligence to so many things, but never to the raising of his own children. I guess that makes him a very unique kind of dumbass doesn't it?
Pretty sure Jaime would have been raised to hunt just as well as most. Cercei is a girl and I don't see why he'd bother teaching Tyrion about it
@@ricebix They'd find they own way, Tyrion would take his way out of it while Cersei would either threaten or spread her legs
Hes got real "Working man dad dealing with spoiled kids" energy
@@fenris5932 who is at fault for said children being spoiled? surely not their father?
What gets me the most is that this is perhaps the only time we actually see pycelle being who he really is. Phenomenal performance from both actors, so much character building in just a 2:20 scene. (Better then the whole of season 7 & 8 lol) This definitely wouldve helped us understand pycelles role in the story so much better but I can understand how this removes a lot of the mystery element to the show. Considering how much of pycelles character and his intentions they revealed.
He showed it briefly after being “with” Ros too once.
@@sweatyzeusgaming It also shows it in his first scene of season three. When Tyrion is waking up to Pycell treating him in his new quarters which were not the tower of the hand.
In S1 Tywin skinned a stag, sigil of the Baratheons. In S3 he killed fish, sigil of House Tully.
dang! nice catch! i only recently caught that a stag and a dire wolf killed eachother in episode 1 😅
foreshadowing???????????????????????????????
@UCQnR7B5NO7AYDf-0JYjjqqw It is the symbolism.
@UCQnR7B5NO7AYDf-0JYjjqqw Catelyn Stark was a Tully
He'd have taken bear hunting but Mormonts are a bit under his radar.
Julian Glover and Charles Dance are both Legends. It's truly disappointing that this scene was removed from GOT. Fortunately, at least we get to see them for a couple of moments
Such a woke lad knows the name of Pycelle
Fantastic actors
@@pulseofages How is he woke?
In another lifetime, Tywin was a henchman for Pycelle in the James Bond film 'For Your Eyes Only'.
'Get in' and then killed with a harpoon I believe. Guy can't catch a break.
And in another he is the main badguy in Last Action Hero
He also dies in the Kingsman as General Kitchner
Also not to forget, a Vampire lord in underworld
Not to mention King Charles III's uncle Dickie.
Shame that this was a deleted scene, but it's still very representative of how good this show was in earlier seasons.
CRAZY change, even his voice totally changed. I didn't expect such an amazing coming from this guys, both of them. His reasoning was also amazing. Unbelievable that this scene was cut.
Its strange to see Tywin fishing.
Its usually a very relaxed, laid back activity and he doesn't wear any expensive clothing. Its probably the most serene you will ever see him and yet he still passes the time discussing the fate of a man.
It's supposed to be forshadowing. He kills a stag, then he fishes.
He doesnt seem so relaxed while at it, though. He can make everything into a tense struggle it would seem
One more take and this scene probably would’ve been good enough to be in the show
Interesting to see Tywin doing a hobby …
He’s shown butchering a stag in Season 1 before the fall of House Baratheon (stag is their sigil). In this scene he is shown killing a trout (the sigil of House Tully) before the Red Wedding/surrender of Riverrun to the Frey’s. Great foreshadowing
The irony, is that every animal he kills himself is an animal he will fest on later. Just like on the house he will slaughter to enjoy the spoils of war. Quite poetic
Besides the animal foreshadowing, it's also telling that Tywin's only apparent hobby is still an inherently practical thing. His downtime still puts food on the table- literally.
Loved that they showed him fishing
@@BIastwave. It also shows that he does the work HIMSELF, instead of relying on others to do the work for him.
Even though Tywin is HEAD of the Largest & most successful House in Westeros, he is still humble enough to WORK.
THAT, is a True Leader. Tywin leads by example and from the front.
It's kind of like actors who do their own stunts, regardless of the danger. And the only actor I know of to ACTUALLY climb a Skyscraper, is Tom Cruise.
If you need to hire a stunt double, don't act.
1:04 Turns our Pycelle is indeed staying the longest on the small council.
Yep , just like Nikita Kruschov he keept his head down and acted like a stupid old man. Thus nobody thout he was a treat.
And died beneath the sept
0:46 oh you sneaky little goober.
charles dance as tywin 👌👌 the most perfectly casted one from the series for me.
he literally commands every scene he was in.
Two were perfect. Also Jack Gleeson as Joffrey.
He's probably the only "bad guy" I actually like in the series.
And to think everyone was worried about the spider and little finger. The moment he drops the mask and you realize just how cunning an actor he was. What makes him so every deadly was he didn't want the throne. He was quite happy where he was. It's why no one noticed him. Despite his skill he had no ambition or hubris to undo him. A dangerous man indeed
They are the perfect trio: In the end, Littlefinger wanted to have the throne or atleast full control over whoever has the throne. The spider wanted to have a just and great ruler on the throne. And Pycelle just wanted to have someone on the throne that would let him stay "in the garden". Ironically that also meant there was little to no space for all three of them to achieve their goal at the same time
In the show, yes. But in the books, things are a bit different. First of all, Varys. It’s nice to portray him as the servant of justice, and fairness. But, in the books, he is the same as Pycelle in this scene with an allegiance towards house Targaryen/Blackfyre instead of Lannister. You see, he doesn’t care about the well-being of the realm. He cares about preparing a chaotic and terrible state ideal for a new ruler to appear. In fact, he even states it when he kills Kevan Lannister in book 4 or 5. He had to be removed, because he began to bring things back to the right way. But Varys didn’t want it. He wanted injustice towards the poor and fight between the Lannisters and Tyrrels. So when Aegon returns with the golden company, he will be seen as a long needed hero.
And Littlefinger. Well, here you state it personally, why he is more dangerous than Pycelle: he desires the throne. He desires to be at top of the world, and his thirst for more can’t be satisfied. He serves no one, but himself and he can betray everyone in a glimpse the moment he sees it as a chance for him to climb higher. In the books, he doesn’t have that softness towards Sansa either. Well, Petyr does, but not Littlefinger. The man built up a mask for himself, one without emotions or empathy, one focused only on one thing: to get the throne. He is the most dangerous man in Westeros, and without the magical powers of Bran, he would have destroyed house Stark from the inside as well as he did to house Lannister. Also, if I remember correctly, in the books he is the one poisoning Joffrey too
That is definitely not why no one noticed him. Varys didn’t want the throne either. Why did people notice Varys if they both didn’t want to rule and that’s the reason he wasn’t found out?
@@hunorferencbalint4483 Littlefinger didn't poison Joffrey in the books neither.
@@Oaksteel1 my bad on that one then. In my memory, Ser Dontos was the one committing the poison in Petyr’s behalf, but then again, I read the books 5 years ago, so my memory is fading
I like how Tywin tries to stay grounded by doing everyday tasks. It implies that there's more to him.
Such a good scene in my opinion.
This scene does so much to develop Pycelle’s character. His motivations, his real agenda, showing through his act. The other members of the council, little finger and Varys get fleshed out, but pycelle without this scene is just there, he’s just a Lannister toadie, why he even qualifies to be on the council makes less sense without this scene. He is a much more formidable player in the game than he appears.
when a show is so good that even the deleted scenes are incredible
I wish we'd seen more of this side of Pycelle, Julian Glover can be a terrifying actor, just look at the way he goes from the performance, rising up straight and speaking with a power in his voice to reveal the real man.
Had me fooled for six seasons. Wish they showed more of this too.
As befitting the man who crushed the Rebels at Hoth.
@@Amann0407 lol brilliant
@@Amann0407 wait he's General Veers? I never realised
@@GreatOldOne9866 There was that one scene after being with the prostitute where Pycelle does some stretching and resets himself back to a slouch before leaving the room. He had been giving the information he was faking being feeble, but this scene would have been miles better.
I was always confused why they had shown us it was an act and then never brought it up again or had anyone notice now it makes sense they should have kept the scene
There's another scene in season 1 of him getting ready where he stretches and acts much younger than usual
@@jdominguez6992 that’s what he means about showing us it’s an act
@@jdominguez6992 also in finale of s2 when tyrion wakes up and pycelle is in the room, he talks normally and stands straight up but tyrion never talks about it after
He exposed the act to Tyrion as well after the Battle of the Blackwater. He spoke with conviction just as he did here. Tyrion was already demoted as Hand, so Pycelle didnt see the need to put on the act at that moment
In this case the show really should have called out Pycelle's performance and the cut scene is great. But I can see how it doesnt really add to the overall story of GoT, its just an interesting piece of context and texture.
What a scene. It doesn't only show how simple Tywin can be, fishing without wearing some expensive clothes and without having guards, he does it by himself, but the scene also shows who Pycelle really is. It would have seemed impossible that a coward and a weak old man like him being in that position for so long, but when he straigthens up and starts talking normal way, you really see who he actually is. He was one of the players who played Game of Thrones, and he did it near perfectly. This scene shows that Pycelle is also a very powerful and dangerous man. And most importantly, Tywin hunting on fish is ironic, as few episodes later he "paid" for the Red Wedding to kill Catelyn and give Riverrun to Freys, just like he skinned a Stag and then Robert Baratheon died in the same episode. I can never understand why they deleted this
You explained it perfectly. And there is no doubt in my mind, that this scene here - it is one of the scenes of all time.
The scene is good but I don’t think the show needs to spoon feed us everything. The viewer should work out that Pycelle is playing the game well and putting on an act without this scene. Subtleness is sometimes better.
Never knew Pycelle was not as senile as he presents to be.
@@hbsblkk3842 yes, but let's not forget this was not the first season or beginning of the show. This is middle of third season, and learning that Pycelle had been playing all this time and actually he is a very serious and dangerous man would have been another amazing mini-twist of GoT
@@nikoloznasaridze6328 bro he was banging hookers on the regular lol (thats just one example 😂). It should’ve been clear to everyone that he was acting senile. I understand why they left the scene out.
arguably one of the few scenes on the cutting room floor that really should've been kept in.
i'm glad it made it to the public one way or the other. this is in my head canon
Tywin was such a character..
He was such a grandpa figure, doing it all himself as a hobby, the cleaning of the deer the fishing along side his lectures. It's great
@TxtMeOnTelegr-FyreClips
Where can I get it
This feels like one of those scenes that really NEEDED to be in the show.
What a great scene. Shame it didn't make it into the show.
The stumbling before Tywin calls him out is a bit janky tbh, kind of overdoes it lol, I can see why they cut it. Especially as we later get a much more subtle scene where Pycelle shows he's much more sprightly on his own in private.
@@con10001 agreed, but they could have just had the actor do another take on that line and the scene would have worked.
I swear I remember seeing this scene though.
0:25 bro struggling🤓💀
Tywin is the best badass of the whole series HANDS DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Absolutely crazy that they cut this scene.
Seeing Pycelle in this light (we all know he's acting, but you never really get to see the man behind the mask) gives his character so much depth.
Tywin is the type of man to fish his own supper even with the power he has.
I mourned the death of Tywin more than any other character on this show. Charles Dance is simply incredible! He left a gaping hole on GoT that nobody could fill when he was gone...
Not Tywin as a character, just Charles as an actor you mean.
I think we can all agree Tywin deserved it after all those dirty shits
he planned/ordered. Killing Elia and her children, let the soldiers rape
Tyrion's first wife, and plotting the red wedding with Frey.
@@Leo-nc3yx I actually missed Tywin as a character. He was such a great presence in the show and made it much more entertaining. Most characters on GoT deserve to die if you boil it down, so I don't look at it with real world morality. Just good tv and Tywin made good tv 🙏
@@MichaelHolmgaard That's what I meant lol! If it wasn't for Charles you probably won't like him as much.
It's like people love Snape because of
Alan Rickman, but people hate the book version of him since he was such a bummer, even J.K. Rowlings said she doesn't understand why people like Snape.
And no, I don't agree that most people in GoT deserve to die, not Ed, not Robb, not
Jon, not the Tyrells, not the Martells......
The people that deserve to die are mainly on Arya's lists, some get it and some haven't at least not until Grrm finishes his writing. And good people are dying like flies.
@@Leo-nc3yx I read the GoT books way before the show had come out and I really liked Tywin as a character there as well. I also really was intrigued by Snape in the Harry Potter books.
Great characters don't have to be good people. In fact, the best characters are usually grey or downright evil. Tywin was one of the best characters on the show, both because of Charles' acting but also because George R R Martin had written him so well. Jaime is another example. He did horrible things but he was the most interesting character so I was rooting for him the whole time lol.
These are fictional stories and characters, afterall. You don't have to import real world morals and feelings into it. Otherwise, where is the fun in it?? 😅
Yeah, it's true tywin did some horrible stuff, and had Robb stark and his pregnant wife murdered as well, but you really can't help but like him, he was a cunning character, and knew how to keep people in line. He even kept Joffree in check. Tywin definitely kept the story interesting as it went on.
I love how much of a badass Tywin is, and how down to earth he truly is for a noble man ruling such a house. He is catching his own fish, skinning and disembowling his own deer... what a man.
That, or too paranoid to let others feed him.. atleast the less he's being fed the lesser the chance someone's poisoned him.. besides, he also seem to enjoy hunting/getting his own food so that's like some birds with one stone..
@@D4rkenedskies I dont think paranoia is the issue, especially when he has it send to kitchen and cooked. It is more about him honing different skills (yes we see him mostly take care of food, but I can see him doing carpentry or forging as well). It is more like he is just basically a renaissance man.
@@tomasstana5423 Its respectable to see a man of nobility and/or royalty that is not afraid to get his hands dirty instead of letting the servants do everything for them ie although a comedy film Coming to America comes to mind where Eddie Murphy's character had servants even brush his teeth for him showing how spoiled the King (James Earl Jones) allowed him to be.
Hunting used to be a right only nobles had, as they owned the land and the animals on it, anyone else would be classed as a poacher, historically in Europe which this takes inspiration from.
@@D4rkenedskies It's more about the pride of using/eating your own craft. Tywin took pride in his hunting skills.
I personally love eating food that I cooked myself. Pride is a silly thing, I tell you.
Its so underrated how Pycell is a great actor acting as a great actor
Incredible that this deleted scene from S3 is more engaging than the entirety of the final 3 seasons of the show.
4 seasons* Some parts of season 5 are cringe worthy.,
@@thehoodedvagabum7375 I think it's because the later seasons werent in the books.
@@Pdmc-vu5gj yea. They ran out of material in season 5.
Can people stop pretending season 6 was good. It was Disney crap. The shows sell out season. Season 6 was everything GRRM hates about most fantasy stories
@@ben1ben2ben1 i gave up after season 6. haven't even read the books btw so it's not a case of bias.
Charles Dance could tear me down and shatter my soul but damn, I'll enjoy every minute of it.
Tywin has this incredible talent for calling out people's BS.
One does not simply skip a Tywin Lannister scene
Pycelle pulling off a Keyser Söze while Tywin calls him out is gold!
Tywin’s line about the dirt was SAVAGE!
Fantastic scene. Love Tywin. One of the few characters on the show with a magnetic screen presence.
This is a beautiful scene.
Tywin: "I could have you returned to the dirt this afternoon if you like"
Pycelle: 😶
FOR YEARS IVE BEEN WONDERING WHY THERE WAS NO PAY OFF TO PYCELLE’S PERFORMANCE ART SCENE AND NOW IVE FOUND IT!! It is glorious.
Its a Shame That Such a Beautiful scene was cut from the Main Draft....
BRILLIANCE ❤️❤️❤️
I love that Tywin finishes this scene sending the GREAT MASTER TO PUT FISH ON THE KITCHEN haha I love the ways he finds to show everyone that everyone is whenever he wants them and no tittle matter there
wish scenes like this were not cut since they are so key to the character development
We needed more screentime for no-worm's 4th monologue about how he has no cock.
Tywin always seems to be prepping animals for the next meal whenever he’s giving a stern dressing down to someone. First Jaime with the deer now Pycelle with these fish
Tywin: "threatens pycelle"
pycelle: My lord AAAUAU you cannot mean UAAUAUAUAEUUAUAUAEUAU
*The writers just forgot* that Pycelle was a pretty agile, smart man who had survived for so long out of sheer self preservation.. and wouldn’t get clapped by some kids..
For real. If they were on top of it they would have shown him at least fight off a few and use his full strength for a few seconds.
Yeah. I was really hoping he was going to pull some super cool old man kung fu or something.
To be fair he did land a decently sized smack on one of them
He’s so outdoorsy !! Love him. Charles Dance is great !!!
Tywin can be one of the best antagonists ever on tv.
Yes he is!
This scene is amazing I wish they left it in
they did
@@dolamrothknight Ive watched GoT through 4 times at least and I've never seen this before in my life
@@dolamrothknight They didn't. I've seen the series through 4 times also (except the final season, only once for that abomination) and have never seen it till now.
I think there's a similar scene in the books but have only read them through once.
This is the funniest shi I seen all day. Bro straightened his back perfectly and spoke with pure conviction 😂😂 Tywin Lannister is a real one
Imagine how frighteningly far this character would go if he only managed to control his pride and love his children unconditionally
It is his pride that got him this far though
Tywin is my fav character cause everyone ethier fears him or hates him but they all respect him cause all know he is the last proud lion of house lannister and a force to be reckoned with.
All the guards in the background really turn this sorta silly scene into absolute comedy. Classic
Why TF did they cut this scene? This is brilliance in writing and acting!!!!
I always wondered why Pycelle faked his physical vigour. I’m glad this scene wraps that loose end
"I can have you returned to the dirt this afternoon, if you'd like"😂😂
I love how one of Tywin’s motifs is hunting/ fishing.
It shows how self-sufficient he is and how spoiled and entitled his children are.
He's a lion, after all. His sigil is literally a predator.
Plus he eats his own hunt too.
Self-sufficient... that's applying a modern connotation to his actions.
No. He's a predator. Unafraid to do the dirty work. Why else kill and butcher the sigils of other houses?
I wish they would rerelease them whole show with an extended cut includes all deleted scenes!
Scenes like this add so much character development. Tywin is seriously the best character on the show. Total no bullshit boss
I've not seen another man tango with Tywin like this and come close to winning. We needed this Pycelle
It's mind boggling that this scene was cut.
Tywin is definitely one of my favorite characters on this show. So calculating, so methodical.
Pycelle just admitted it was all a façade to make sure he stays on the table, tywin would definitely not keep someone like that on his council, he could rat tywin out at the best opportunity to get a better deal somewhere else
Pycelle did briefly slip in his facade once before this, a shame it was only relegated to this brief scene.
What was the time before this? Was it only in the books?
@@echosword6468 when he was with the whore
@@echosword6468 This may just be my interpretation. But, when Tyrion was having him thrown into the Black Cells, he put up a lot more of a struggle with the Hill Tribesmen than would make sense for his frailty.
He's drops the act after Ros leaves his chambers and also when he's speaking to an injured Tyrion after Blackwater.
@@msanjelica I think after the Blackwater with Tyrion it was only his true personality, not his facade of frailty like this.
I love this scene, the way Tywin so brutally calls him out, the way Pycell immediately stands tall and becomes a proud Imperial again (Star Wars fans know) and Tywin is getting his hands dirty with again, Sigils of houses he’s defeated. I also love that he isn’t sticking up for Tyrion, but for the position of hand and his order of Tyrion to make these calls and that Pycell has no right in questioning his acts. Also the “manner” in which he serves, then hands him his fish like he’s a servant just to remind him how much taller Tywin is in the garden.
Charles Dance's performance as Tywin was fucking stellar. He steals all the scenes he is in.
1.4 million views in just 2 days from a GOT video in 2022, the fandom very much still lives on
To bad this wasn't in the show, It still makes me laugh even now watching it.
this deleted scene is better than every scene in Season 7 & 8
He said he would be rotting in the dirt of the Sept of Baelor… well that’s some foreshadowing if I ever saw it.
A more candid conversation you will never hear.
Just watch every scene of tywin. He is a master class in acting and in character.
I feel like this scene actually changes the character of Pycelle. Instead of a conniving coward he’s instead just a shrewd man trying to stay alive in a dangerous world. His treachery towards Tyrion wasn’t ill-willed it was simply in his own interest.
Well he is a conniving coward. Contrary to Varys and Littlefinger he isnt really plotting but just sucking up to the percieved strongest spying for them.
That moment when a deleted got scene is better than the entire season of Rings of Power
"That doesn't explain why I should have you back on my council"
"The King's council, my lord"
"I could have you return to dirt this afternoon"
What a dialogue!! This shows that even old and (seemingly) weak Pycelle has got leverage in the game. I always wondered, who told Joffrey about Dany and her dragons. Varys and Littlefinger were no idiots to draw Tywin's attention, and certainly not Tyrion. It must have been Pycelle, again trying to get some leverage.
But then Tywin strikes with his version of "POWER is Power". All leverages break when an iron hammer strikes
"I could have you returned to the dirt this afternoon if you like." LMAO, such a simple yet direct threat, I freaking love Tywin's style of speech.
Would love to see a spin off of how Tywin came to prominence 💯💯
Pycelle sounded like courage the cowardly dog for second that shit had me laughing
This scene is golden. They should have kept it. Great acting, great foreshadowing with the symbols / sigils, great character development. WTF did they cut it out?
probably wanted to include some nude scene pointless to the plot instead of this
Time constraints, most likely. Other scenes were deemed to be more important for the flow of the episode in which it was supposed to appear. Still a damn shame.
Pacing.
Charles Dance has been one of the most underrated and underappreciated actors since Alien3. I'm so happy that he is finally receiving recognition for his immense talent and presence.
They both look like total badasses in this scene
Beautiful scene - two incredible actors putting on a spectacular performance. (Plus Charles Dance's boots 😮❤)
Everyone's (rightly) talking about Tywin fishing and Pycelle revealing his true self, but what I really like about this scene is the actual topic of the conversation: Tywin supporting Tyrion's actions and decisions while he was acting Hand of the King.
I hate that this was a deleted scene.
Why? He has not reason to fake his act and its a little stupid
@@DubFanLatino we already know that it's all an act, we've seen it before in the show when pycelle is arrested and when he is seeing Tyrion after he's injured in the battle of blackwater. I think they should have kept the scene, because it does make sense. It's adds a bit more to pycelle's act and his philosophy
@@DubFanLatino He literally explained why and it makes perfect sense. It's the same reason Varys doesn't overtly help people like Ned Stark.