We've been saying this for a very long time. Both Jene and I are mental health advocates and we've pretty much have had the same conversation about being mentally ill, and having ASD while being disabled. All of the responsibility of Disability is placed on the individual and not the society we live in. Which makes Disability harder to live with. Especially things like internalized shame and self doubt. Disability needs to be a combination of the individual coping with the disorder and the way society lends us access. And Neurodivergent Disorders need to be recognized as a disability and society needs to provide more neurodivergent access and accessibility to make life easier to function. We can go to therapy and do all the things we need to do to cope with our disorder, but if society is not going to give us accessible ways to function, they work against the efforts of the individual. Thank you so much for this video. Hard agree.
- Imagine if dorms had rooms with extra sound proofing for people with PTSD that you could get with a simple paper from your psychiatrist. We were triggered so many times by our neighbours and drunk students shouting at 3am. - Imagine if you could take longer breaks from school without repercussions. - Imagine if there was food delivery support not only for systems but all people who deal with executive dysfunction. I had gone days without eating many many times because I couldn't get food myself or afford delivery. - imagine free cleaning services you could call and prevent drowning in garbage by the third week of a depressive episode. - imagine enough capable therapists for everyone who needs them and imagine them being FREE and imagine SEVERAL SESSIONS A WEEK for those who need it. - imagine ACTUAL GOOD REHABILITATION CENTRES that you could visit whenever and for however long you needed. imagine you could actually take a break from society several times a year for a few weeks in a place that knows what you need and helps you build good habits and provides therapy.
Our host always says "the worst part about the truama wasnt what happened but that no one did anything to help us". Honestly the current medical model really feels like an extension of that. The burden is placed on people who already shouldn't have gone though what they went though, and if we fail to meet their "criteria" we get nothing more then parting words to "help" us. Our internal teams helped us survive, it's only when faced with a world not made for us it becomes an issue. When the rules the mind set in place are set off balance. When these changes that once protected us are seen as "wrong" and "weird" when they were once our greatest defence. If accommodations for amnisea were accounted for, acceptance of switches existed, honestly just general respect and kindness, it wouldn't be a cure all by any means but it would be a fantastic start of making that transitional stage of realization so much easier.
I think one thing that would help a lot of disabled people regardless of their disability is affordable healthcare, including things like medication, glasses, wheelchairs, and therapy. The current system makes it extremely difficult to access these things which are necessary to live a healthy life and successfully interact with society. I know there’s a lot more we as a society should change to make things more accessible but at the very least we should make people able to get the care they need
You are really good at this. You're a quick speaker and you don't trip over your words. You seem to continue going on even as you take a quick second here and there to look at you're notes. You don't seem to rely so heavily on clip editing and removing all the dead air. You have some clip editing that I've noticed but it's not that noticable and you don't rely on it as heavily as many other TH-camrs do .
Thank you! I really appreciate all this, not because it's true and more because it speaks to how well I edit things! This video was 40? 45? mins long before editing - not because there was more content, but because that's how long it took for me to repeat myself until I said it without tripping over my words 😂 I'm glad our videos come off like this, and are clear and clean and well understandable. 💜
This literally brought me to tears. I’m a singlet married to one part of a system and in different types of relationships with the rest of the system. I could never imagine how truly different the world is for him until hearing this. Thank you 😭
I've said this a lot to my friends and on my blogs but I honestly think school teachers should be required to learn how to recognize signs of trauma or abuse. I always found myself wishing someone noticed and did something, yanno? And teachers can end up escalating the issue and causing more trauma because they just don't get it, they don't get the outbursts and other "unwanted behaviour" is a sign of abuse and not just a child overreacting and then punish them for it and tell their parents, who could end up abusing them even more for it. And so what if a child *is* overreacting? I would rather them recognize and seek help for a child by accident and help other children actually in need in the process than leave them all to suffer.
This reminds me of a documentary I watched on the people who were affected by the thalidomide crisis. Some of them were born without legs, and this was back in the 50s (I think) so prosthetics options weren't very great (they're still not great now because quality prosthetics aren't very accessible financially). So they'd try and force these kids to wear prosthetic lower-halves that basically looked like a bum-shaped cup with non-bending legs on the bottom. They were uncomfortable and incredibly dangerous but people were so stuck on this idea of what "normal" should look like that they thought "how can I give this person legs, a person should have legs" instead of "what's the best way I can help them get around". I can't remember his name, but there's a guy who did a TED talk about his experience being born without legs, and he uses these very short legs that just lift his torso off the ground a bit. They're adapted to suit his needs, not purely for aesthetics at the expense of his quality of life. (Prosthetics are an interest of ours lol) The medical model says "This here is the 'right' way to be a human. Oh? You don't quite fit that diagram. I'm so sorry, let me help you fix that." There's so much pity and not enough compassion. Different is not necessarily bad. It's like plurality- the problem is the trauma. Focus on healing the trauma- being plural itself isn't an illness or a disability, but what causes the issues for us is the PTSD symptoms and navigating in a world that isn't accomodating for us.
I loved both halves of this video... I had never thought about breaking down disability like that before, and I understand so much better now! It would be so nice to have grounding rooms in public spaces 💕
Thank you!! There’s 100% spaces that have grounding rooms - disability centric conferences and events often have them. We’ve been in two and they are the best things ever
I have dyslexia and this is something I've thought about a lot! After all when I was a kid not being able to read or write well was a MASSIVE disability, especially in education, but then rolled on into the rest of life. Preventing many people from holding down good jobs leading them to poverty, stigmatization and very often prison (I've seen some figures that as many as 30% of the UK prison population may be dyslexic while only around 5% of the general population is). Virtually all knowledge was stored in printed words and tests were completed in hand writing. You basically needed a whole other human sitting next to you to read the text and then write down what you told them. Hugely expensive, time consuming and embarrassing. Not to mention not available to the vast majority of those who needed it. But less than 100 years previously and for most people over the entirety of human history dyslexia was not only not a major disability, it wasn't even a thing. How can your inability to read be a problem when no one can read and there is nothing that needs to be read? And even now some 20 years on we have computers that can read text, take audio dictation and there is vast amounts of information stored in the form of video and audio to start with that doesn't requiter translation. While that stuff is by no means available to everyone who needs it yet I can see a time not too far away where dyslexia is once again not only a manageable disability but not a problem that is even noticed. The fact that such a crippling disability could just appear out of no where, exist for a hand full of decades, and disappear again as society changes around people is a good example of the social model of disability in action.
This video is going right into my favorites. What an awesome explanation of the social model of disability. You've even included poverty. Bravo. I've shared this video in my Facebook group for adults on the autism spectrum.
Ok I like forgot to turn off captioning from the last video I watched, and I noticed the accurate captions help me understand the video better and not loose ten minutes of information because I was zoning out. Really wish more people took the time to put good, accurate captions on their videos.
We need more accommodations in college because omg. It’s hard to get them and there are so few options. Thank you for mentioning that some disabled people don’t wanna to do certain things because people forget especially for mental health issues.
Thank you, Silver and Ring system for being so open. We see you. We appreciate it so much. We just accidentally found your TH-cam, someone else must have been looking someone who is understanding and patience with us. As it seemed like you were talking to just me, not the internet. 💜Vi+Peterson.
Having been born with OCD and likely autism and having been raised with no one to help me and with parents who either weren’t there or responded to me with anger, thank you for continuing to thrive and talk about things like this(albeit this is an old video). I recently explored this space and ended up coming out knowing these were not my experiences however having a coping mechanism for stress that’s taken a severe toll on my ability to do anything in life gives me an appreciation and empathy for y’all’s experience, especially having suffered through dp/dr(Luckily I am out of that :>). I would love to work as an ally on raising awareness and as a writer to explore the experiences of people, especially with experiences of people who are often misunderstood and stigmatized. Wish you all well and hope you all continue to thrive :>.
I hear you, but remember, twenty years ago people were saying "marriage equality likely won't happen in our lifetime." Twenty years before that, it wasn't even acceptable to be out at all, and was actively dangerous. You could lose your job, your community, your family, your life... everything (sound familiar?). In those days the idea of the world we live in today would sound like a total pipe dream. But here we are. It's taken a lot of blood, sweat, and tears, but we made it to today. It happened. And each new generation is getting better and better about talking about mental and emotional health and well being, and the social changes are happening faster and faster as a result. We're going to see it happen, even if it takes a few years for our day to come. It won't be tomorrow and likely not this year or the next... but we'll still get there, and likely faster than you think.
So happy to hear someone discuss mental health using the social model of disability! The mental health community and the disability community are somewhat separate and I really wish they would overlap more. We have way more in common than it seems at first glance.
Great ideas and great conversations to start!! All of these "how might we design for mental health" prompts would be perfect for design school, design co-ops, and organizations practicing design thinking for innovation. I would love to see more projects like this. Let's all keep discussing and envisioning!!! 💜
As someone going to uni to do special educational needs and disability inclusion studies, this is exactly what i intend to do with our life!! Educating people on what needs to be done for our world to be accessible to everyone, and forcing people to confront their own prejudices. I wanna devote myself to bringing those "what ifs" to fruition. No-one deserves to have less agency just because society doesnt want to change itself
I started crying while you were listing the what ifs. All of this seems like a far away dream and even though I thought about the possibility of that stuff before I always dismissed it because "society will never do that". You give me hope with this. You give our system hope. One of the things we're the most angry about is that society expects deaf and Hoh people to learn how to speak. That's like super audist and just not okay. We're currently learning sign language in our free time just so we can properly interact with people who use it (and also so we can interact when we're nonverbal/a mute alter fronts). And lemme tell you, there's enough on ASL but I haven't found anything close to enough for most other sign languages. I can't even learn the sign language of my country because the courses get cancelled because not enough people apply. It's sad tbh. And there are close to no online resources. We really wanna help with all of this stuff but don't know how or where to start (we live in Europe), do you have any advice on that?
For ASL stuff, check out youtube - there's a lot of BSL on there, and many other sign languages. For general accessibility stuff, start with doing some reading: mia mingus's blog, leaving evidence, is wonderful groundwork (and we'll be covering a lot of that content and tying it to DID in the future). Sins invalid (linked in the description, also googleable) are absolutely wonderful. Lydia Brown has a LOT of good neurodiversity writings on their blog, autistichoya. Then, see if you have any transformative justice, disability justice, disability rights or neurodiversity groups/organizations in your area, and if you do, reach out and see how you can help! If there's not, it's never to late to start building community where you are - in-person community is our strongest tool to making changes like this. Lots of love, and good luck w the ASL! 💖
We all hate masking as a singlet. I want it not to be awkward. It feels near impossible to mention ourselves to anyone. Can plurality just be a thing people know about already that we don’t have to hide? I want to talk to people genuinely and hear them say my name. - Emilia
Very well said, you have an awesome presence! I stumbled on this searching for an assignment for a disability management course I'm taking and this really helped me understand the models and consider more barriers we face than we see on the surface!
@@TheRingsSystem im at a place where i can just barely afford at least the adhd specialists but any further than that and we're in trouble 😔 the world you described sounds like such a wonderful place ... ive been thinking how badly i wish i had the years to catch up on missed childhood development...! great video, as always!
HECK yeah!! I absolutely agreed before, but the actual suggestions for what to do in terms of systems hadn't really been something I knew what to do about. Hell, the fact that they help people who just have bad memory, are traumatised without DID or OSDD, or are trans and don't have a new name ready yet or are genderfluid or hell, helping endogenic systems and tulpamancers too, is just extra reasons why all of this stuff should absolutely be a thing that happens. Glad I have some ideas of what to actually advocate for, haha.
I love the video, it made me emotional hearing you describe what a better future could be. I have so many ideas so here's a few: school and workplaces allowing multiples to use their names in an official capacity, possibly linked to an id number. Giving disabled people (and people in general) free/ subsidized housing. Acknowledging alters with individual access needs, and then accommodating them (a blind/deaf alter, alters w/ anxiety or psychosis). Acknowledging that there is a lot of grey area between a singlet and did/osdd systems. Encouraging multiples to exist however they're most comfortable, whether that be a v large system or integrated. Actual societal rights for children.
I also just remembered be my wife both do have Medicare and Medicaid we also have waivers to help us out as well everything unfortunately it’s under the medical model and things haven’t changed from that unless there’s enough help out there it’s never going to change because society won’t allow it
14 says: these vis are so helpful. On "accents" .... because of your hairclippy vid, we had the literal best day at work we've -ever- had by fronting around the colored -hairclippy- instead of the accent and going one by one through the numbers. 01 and 07 are our "computer people"... and also are the most dependent on how they talk. The end result feels like driving a car made of the generic state accent instead of theirs, but --good day at work-- and yes, Accents have been a problem for a long time for us. ... kinda a lot.
(Tip/In my experience) Okay so as an fairly covert system who (on Reddit) uses our system name, we use "The cover of ignorance" as a shield, most people don't know what system means and, the people who do tend to have DID/OSDD or are supporters. Honestly, most people just don't know enough to say anything. And a lot of usernames are weird there so no-one really notices.
Exactly! We accidentally popped into a zoom call w 3 people who didn't know about our plurality and our name was automatically "The Rings System" and no one batted an eye :)
This is a great video for sharing, thank you for it. This terminology, "social model vs. medical model" is new to us personally, and very much appreciated. If some of us need to do something a different way ior could do it better ior more easily a different way, ior need something about the environment which most others are oblivious to, we all ought see that as routine and perfectly ordinary: there are so many of us under that umbrella, we might actually be in the majority, so the term "special needs" seems rather ironic at best, and at worst out of touch with reality. _It also makes the world a whole lot more friendly_ when no one encourages us to feel like some basic aspect of who we are is hard to understand, burdensome, intimidating, et cetera.
Okay so I’m making a comic(probably won’t be available for years) and there’s going to be a character I plan on having D.I.D .they are not going to be a a main character ,but a love interest for a main character.I have done an incredible amount of research but the story takes place in a world with superpowers and magic. So I have some questions and to see if any of my plans for the character are offensive or just not appropriate. (Mainly on how I should handle the “magic” bit.I want to give them a shapeshifting power and for them to use it when they switch (not always)is that okay?I want to give them a power that Relates to the disorder. Should I change it to something else?Like ;cloning,shape shifting,HIVE mind etc.or should I give each alter there own power?(this would be hard because the powers are gene related) but I’m also willing to change it if it’s seen as offensive and give them a power non-DID related.ALSO I’m going to make them all be in poly relationship with the main character which I heard was a okay from another TH-camr with DID.Would that be fine?Anyone could answer but I really wanted feedback and an okay from a person with DID.Thank you so much!
Hello! We actually just made a twitter thread on our thoughts about fantasy DID characters - you can read it over there, our url is TheRingsSystem. Feel free to reach out via twitter DM’s for questions about your character too after reading it :)
As a system member, I don't just fear the reaction from the rest of society, I also fear other systems too. If we were out and proud about it on TH-cam and making videos, since we are not yet diagnosed I'm quite concerned about 'sysmedicalism' - the gatekeeping that goes on the plural community, requiring you to have been officially diagnosed. We really do deserve a better society. I will do better to make sure society is improved at every opportunity I see
Yes, we understand that. We were self-diagnosed for a few years, and got some flack for that in the community - and we still get random hate? comments about how our choice in healing (healthy multiplicity instead of integration) is wrong/incorrect/ect. We deserve both a better society, and a community that accepts us unconditionally ❤️️
All your videos are so informative... My husband (who I work for) quit his job today because my manager wanted to fire me for not having as much energy as the other employees (I've been through blood tests twice and nobody knows what the cause is yet). I was wondering whether that counted as disability discrimination or not. This kind of helps me understand that it is, while before I kinda just assumed that I shouldn't have worked anywhere that there was a slight chance this would impact my work ethic. Ugh I'm rambling again aren't I :P basically just wanted to say great video as always!
I think another problem is also that therapists just... keep quiet. I had someone figure out that I had DID in 2015. I'm not counting him though, because he had no intention of helping me, but instead used his "new found power" to ab*se all the children in the system that I was unaware of. Fun times. However, after that I got a new therapist and in our first(!) session he mentioned seeing amnesia, but I didn't realize it at that time and was like "huh, but this is normal". After I myself(!) finally figured out that I might have DID (>1.5 years later), I told him about my suspicion and he was like "oh yeah, I suspected that from the start". Like wtf? I mean, I get that I therapist should not force a diagnosis on you, but he could've at least tested me for dissociative disorders or just explain to me that systems exist and what a system is. If anyone had told me about the existance of systems, I would have figured out that I have DID years ago. I have diary entries stating stuff like "I feel like I'm different people" all the way back to 2015 (or maybe even before that, I threw away all my diaries from before 2012 at some point, so I only know that I didn't mention it between 2012 and 2015). I don't even think we need DID education in schools (although it would be great), just have every therapist run the standard dissociative disorder test on every person they know experienced trauma. (Or a shortened version maybe.) And educate doctors on trauma symptoms. I had to do a few medical procedures as a child that don't hurt and are just a tiny little bit uncomfortable, but I was screaming every single time for years and trying to fight them off as though they wanted to kill me (again: it doesn't even hurt!), just because they wanted to put a stick into my mouth for three seconds. And no one(!) ever thought "hm, well, this isn't normal, this child should probably see a therapist". I mean, yeah, probably not every child who reacts that way has been r*ped before, but ... at least send them to a therapist? On another note though, at least we have an at least semi-functioning healthcare system in germany. I get to have therapy that I don't need to pay myself. I'll just have to wait until late 2020/early 2021... I got my diagnosis in december 2019. That's why I'm saying semi-functioning. I also could not afford therapy on my own. Heck, I couldn't even afford to live without healthcare. I haven't been able to work for three years. So yeah, germany is great and all (if you're patient). Alsooo ~ yes to the "introducing yourself with a collective name" part! We kinda use the bodies name as a collective name, but it feels really weird and uncomfortable... I have gone on a rant, haven't I? The point is, all this would be really cool (and necessary) and I hope, some day at least 50% of it can be implemented. ~ Lana
It would have been really good to have screening early on. I think one key I'm seeing is that often it's not just good to be represented or recognized. It's also necessary to have the right kind of representation. I'm in a system which strongly suspects they are autistic, but screening did not exist when I was a kid. However some more extreme treatments for autism seem... like they would have hurt our system. Others-- especially those that encourage supports to address sensory issues-- would have helped. I really hope that positive changes (like those you suggest) are made. -Defender [Regarding testing for DID/OSDD or other issues] I think I would have benefited greatly from just knowing what was going on. Resources from others I found online were greatly helpful on their own. Therapy itself was incredibly helpful. If I had been recognized and treated sooner, I would not have nearly as much work to do now :-) Still I also feel a fear that I would have been judged or not seen as capable. Rather than in truth being more capable, given that I would have had help. -Host
With physical disabilities, I feel like we used to be too far toward the medical model but now have swung too far toward the social model. The narrative leans strongly on what is known in the disability community as ‘inspiration p*rn’ where we are shown disabled people who have achieved amazing things like climbing a mountain with 2 prosthetic legs or complete a triathlon in a wheelchair and told ‘if this person can achieve this, what’s your excuse!’ There is less financial support for disabled people because of the belief that every person can be an equal part of society and the work force with the right accommodations, and it is almost impossible to get medical or mental health support if you are house or bed bound. With mental illness/disability, as you’ve said, it’s the other way around. If you can’t pass for ‘normal’ then there is very little acceptance or accommodation. I think the biggest problem comes when a person has both physical AND mental health conditions. When you ask for mental health support/treatment, you are told you are being non compliant and therefore will not be given help if your physical symptoms make it difficult or impossible to have a certain level of independence or activity. When you seek treatment/support for physical symptoms/needs you are often not taken seriously if they are aware that you also have mental health issues, or they will see you as a safety risk and ask you to leave if you act in a ‘not normal’ way. I think this is partly because health and social care is broken down into little specialised sections rather than working with a person holistically, so mental health professionals are often not trained enough in how to cater to physically disabled people and medical/social care staff who are not specifically specialised in mental health are not trained enough in mental health issues. It’s stupid really when you consider that people with physical disability or chronic illness are statistically more vulnerable to things that can cause mental health issues and vice versa. There just needs to be more awareness that people are complex individuals and a ‘one size fits all’ approach will rarely work.
I would argue that inspiration porn isn't the social model of disability, I would say it's just ableism - another way for abled people to twist our narratives to hurt disabled folks. Some folks who are the biggest activists for the social model of disability are vehemently against inspiration porn, and for good reason. ... it's just abled people using disabled narratives to feel good about themselves, and then be ablest to other disabled folks. If anything, the social model is against this - because the ableism is what's disabling us, and getting in our way of accessing society! And yeah! Love your critique of the intersections of mental health and disability ❤️️
otherwise it wouldn't make sense to use it when introducing yourself. the body's name would be a better choice because it's linked to it officially. if you want to change one, the other should precede it. edit: obviously systems should take the naming process seriously and not be able to change it whenever they feel like it.
What if mental illness and disorders in general were more aceppted and understood by society? I wish I didn't had to hide my mental illnesses in school in fear of getting rejected and bullied. I wish I just could've gone to a comfortable grounding room where I could calm down instead of hiding in the schools restroom self harming in fear of getting caught and punished. I wish we had more than just one counselour (that was also religious) I wish there was a support system for students like me with depression and anxiety and other mental illnesses that helped us during stressful times like exams and individual issues. I wish sex ed was more inclusive and invormative. I wish there was a LGBTQ+ support group! Society has a lot to learn and do about these issues. Because we are not a minority. Mental and physical health, sexuality, intolerance, etc affects everyone in this world!
Hi I really enjoy the content of this channel it helps alot because my partner has 3 alters one which is present 99.9% of the time an 2 others normally when she switches the alter maybe stays a few hours or a dayor two but now she is gone for a week and this never happened before its hard because the alter that fronted is rather self destructive I can't leave her alone without someone watching she'd hurt herself it happened once that our old house was burned down by the alter... I am worried how long is it possible for such an alter to stay? Because the last 1.5 years there were no switches
I really don’t know and I don’t think there’s an answer, it varies System to System. As always, talking to a therapist about this is probably your best bet to help the alter and make sure it doesn’t happen again in the future 💕
btw is there only OSDD-1a and OSDD-1b or are there more types of OSDD? the "1" makes it sound like there's more but I can't find anything on the web so I'm confused.
@@TheRingsSystem that just reinforces my opinion that they should simply call it "DID-1a" and "DID-1b" or something like that. I don't think you can compare a disorder with alters to one without alters.
All introjects form without... any influence of the other alters. Splitting - how, when, and who you split - is all out of the system's control. So any introject, regardless of what or who they're an introject of, is valid. 💜
This comment is only for people who are comfortable with talking about triggers/trigger warnings. When it comes to content and trigger warnings, there are things that are pretty obvious, but since triggers can be anything, I’m never quite sure what I should put a warning on (apart from the obvious ones). I mean, if I know someone’s triggers then there’s no problem, but what should be my “default”? And how can I find out what common triggers are? Since I think it’s probably triggering in itself to just ask people to name their triggers right away, that feels disrespectful and I would never do that unless I know they’re comfortable with it. So I guess my question is, are there lists somewhere out there of common triggers that I could look up and see if I missed things that should better get a warning? Finally, I have another question. I’m in the process of building ideas for a TH-cam channel, it’ll probably be about writing and literature etc, and I was wondering if people would benefit from videos where I analyze if a book is triggering or not, like “this is safe to read” etc. Would that be helpful or is it a weird idea? (Obviously it still needs work)
Thank you so much for this video I am legally blind I also have multiple mental health diagnoses latest dissociative identity disorder and I also have problems with reading writing math skills everything because all of my life nobody would read stuff to me for me to comprehend or understand properly everybody always tried to make me read or write and I couldn’t do it my brain was not capable of doing any of that there’s so much more I could tell you but it would take so long Plus my wife is in a power wheelchair which is extremely expensive expensive and she barely has any way of well she can’t actually bear weight whatsoever she has extremely limited use of her hands and she has to have help with eating while in bed and a lot of other things I take care of her along with help from my provider that helps us we both receive Social Security supplemental disability income off of our parents we do make still below minimum wage but enough to help pay for our own home utilities food does not leave us much room for a whole Lotta clothes shopping or being able to get out and do other things transportation is also limited because of my fears my triggers especially when I had to go into the hospital for COVID-19 when they were those are breathing apparatus devices that son was like a regulator from a scuba tank that scares me I get terrified from that and whenever I hear it or I get too crowded I can’t concentrate or focus that well my physical health and my mental health are not exactly the greatest at this time I have COVID-19 as well my wife was in the hospital for pneumonia and COVID-19 we’re still under quarantine until the 28th of this month meantime I’m struggling with being able to do a lot of things and have for years because of traumas that I’ve had from very early childhood and abused by my brother and my sister which I do remember those abuses and on top of that I also have medical traumas from when I was a baby all the way up until I was four years old that I know of but I was told and many other things so yeah you said a complete mouth fall from all sides of disability levels and problems I was even told by my sister my brother used to hit me over the head with a toy fire truck and many other things I didn’t find out later until my mom told me eventually when I was in my teens that my brother used to destroy and burn my toys I was wondering what happened all my toys and my life is been a total nightmare it’s been disabled in many ways thank you for this video I thought I would give you this much information about myself and my wife for others to hear and no PS we are also advocates in the disability field as well as we have also been working with the Indiana Coalition Against Domestic Violence and working on a task force regarding disability and domestic and sexual abuse which should also cover mental abuse as well which we are going to address in the group to because of mental problems that many probably happier people may happen I hate using that word though so that’s it otherwise I could keep talking literally forever
We've been saying this for a very long time. Both Jene and I are mental health advocates and we've pretty much have had the same conversation about being mentally ill, and having ASD while being disabled. All of the responsibility of Disability is placed on the individual and not the society we live in. Which makes Disability harder to live with. Especially things like internalized shame and self doubt. Disability needs to be a combination of the individual coping with the disorder and the way society lends us access. And Neurodivergent Disorders need to be recognized as a disability and society needs to provide more neurodivergent access and accessibility to make life easier to function. We can go to therapy and do all the things we need to do to cope with our disorder, but if society is not going to give us accessible ways to function, they work against the efforts of the individual. Thank you so much for this video. Hard agree.
Yes!!!!! Hard agree w everything you said too 👏👏
- Imagine if dorms had rooms with extra sound proofing for people with PTSD that you could get with a simple paper from your psychiatrist. We were triggered so many times by our neighbours and drunk students shouting at 3am.
- Imagine if you could take longer breaks from school without repercussions.
- Imagine if there was food delivery support not only for systems but all people who deal with executive dysfunction. I had gone days without eating many many times because I couldn't get food myself or afford delivery.
- imagine free cleaning services you could call and prevent drowning in garbage by the third week of a depressive episode.
- imagine enough capable therapists for everyone who needs them and imagine them being FREE and imagine SEVERAL SESSIONS A WEEK for those who need it.
- imagine ACTUAL GOOD REHABILITATION CENTRES that you could visit whenever and for however long you needed. imagine you could actually take a break from society several times a year for a few weeks in a place that knows what you need and helps you build good habits and provides therapy.
Oh my gosh yes to all of these!!! 💖💖 Great ideas!!
Our host always says "the worst part about the truama wasnt what happened but that no one did anything to help us".
Honestly the current medical model really feels like an extension of that. The burden is placed on people who already shouldn't have gone though what they went though, and if we fail to meet their "criteria" we get nothing more then parting words to "help" us.
Our internal teams helped us survive, it's only when faced with a world not made for us it becomes an issue. When the rules the mind set in place are set off balance. When these changes that once protected us are seen as "wrong" and "weird" when they were once our greatest defence.
If accommodations for amnisea were accounted for, acceptance of switches existed, honestly just general respect and kindness, it wouldn't be a cure all by any means but it would be a fantastic start of making that transitional stage of realization so much easier.
Yeah. Snaps to literally everything y'all said 💖
I think one thing that would help a lot of disabled people regardless of their disability is affordable healthcare, including things like medication, glasses, wheelchairs, and therapy. The current system makes it extremely difficult to access these things which are necessary to live a healthy life and successfully interact with society. I know there’s a lot more we as a society should change to make things more accessible but at the very least we should make people able to get the care they need
Yes! Even strictly medical model supports aren’t accessible to a lot of people, which needs to be fixed too
As someone who lives in a country with free healthcare, yes yes yes yes yes!!!
You are really good at this.
You're a quick speaker and you don't trip over your words. You seem to continue going on even as you take a quick second here and there to look at you're notes. You don't seem to rely so heavily on clip editing and removing all the dead air. You have some clip editing that I've noticed but it's not that noticable and you don't rely on it as heavily as many other TH-camrs do .
Thank you! I really appreciate all this, not because it's true and more because it speaks to how well I edit things! This video was 40? 45? mins long before editing - not because there was more content, but because that's how long it took for me to repeat myself until I said it without tripping over my words 😂 I'm glad our videos come off like this, and are clear and clean and well understandable. 💜
@@TheRingsSystem keep it up. You're really good at this.
This literally brought me to tears. I’m a singlet married to one part of a system and in different types of relationships with the rest of the system. I could never imagine how truly different the world is for him until hearing this. Thank you 😭
I've said this a lot to my friends and on my blogs but I honestly think school teachers should be required to learn how to recognize signs of trauma or abuse. I always found myself wishing someone noticed and did something, yanno? And teachers can end up escalating the issue and causing more trauma because they just don't get it, they don't get the outbursts and other "unwanted behaviour" is a sign of abuse and not just a child overreacting and then punish them for it and tell their parents, who could end up abusing them even more for it.
And so what if a child *is* overreacting? I would rather them recognize and seek help for a child by accident and help other children actually in need in the process than leave them all to suffer.
Yes!!!!!!!
This reminds me of a documentary I watched on the people who were affected by the thalidomide crisis. Some of them were born without legs, and this was back in the 50s (I think) so prosthetics options weren't very great (they're still not great now because quality prosthetics aren't very accessible financially).
So they'd try and force these kids to wear prosthetic lower-halves that basically looked like a bum-shaped cup with non-bending legs on the bottom. They were uncomfortable and incredibly dangerous but people were so stuck on this idea of what "normal" should look like that they thought "how can I give this person legs, a person should have legs" instead of "what's the best way I can help them get around". I can't remember his name, but there's a guy who did a TED talk about his experience being born without legs, and he uses these very short legs that just lift his torso off the ground a bit. They're adapted to suit his needs, not purely for aesthetics at the expense of his quality of life. (Prosthetics are an interest of ours lol)
The medical model says "This here is the 'right' way to be a human. Oh? You don't quite fit that diagram. I'm so sorry, let me help you fix that."
There's so much pity and not enough compassion. Different is not necessarily bad. It's like plurality- the problem is the trauma. Focus on healing the trauma- being plural itself isn't an illness or a disability, but what causes the issues for us is the PTSD symptoms and navigating in a world that isn't accomodating for us.
I loved both halves of this video... I had never thought about breaking down disability like that before, and I understand so much better now! It would be so nice to have grounding rooms in public spaces 💕
Thank you!! There’s 100% spaces that have grounding rooms - disability centric conferences and events often have them. We’ve been in two and they are the best things ever
I have dyslexia and this is something I've thought about a lot! After all when I was a kid not being able to read or write well was a MASSIVE disability, especially in education, but then rolled on into the rest of life. Preventing many people from holding down good jobs leading them to poverty, stigmatization and very often prison (I've seen some figures that as many as 30% of the UK prison population may be dyslexic while only around 5% of the general population is). Virtually all knowledge was stored in printed words and tests were completed in hand writing. You basically needed a whole other human sitting next to you to read the text and then write down what you told them. Hugely expensive, time consuming and embarrassing. Not to mention not available to the vast majority of those who needed it. But less than 100 years previously and for most people over the entirety of human history dyslexia was not only not a major disability, it wasn't even a thing. How can your inability to read be a problem when no one can read and there is nothing that needs to be read? And even now some 20 years on we have computers that can read text, take audio dictation and there is vast amounts of information stored in the form of video and audio to start with that doesn't requiter translation. While that stuff is by no means available to everyone who needs it yet I can see a time not too far away where dyslexia is once again not only a manageable disability but not a problem that is even noticed. The fact that such a crippling disability could just appear out of no where, exist for a hand full of decades, and disappear again as society changes around people is a good example of the social model of disability in action.
Yes!!!!! Yeah! That's such a good example.
This video is going right into my favorites. What an awesome explanation of the social model of disability. You've even included poverty. Bravo. I've shared this video in my Facebook group for adults on the autism spectrum.
Thank you so much!
Thanks for helping spread awareness. As a fellow disability activist- I salute you!
Thanks! I salute you right back!
Ok I like forgot to turn off captioning from the last video I watched, and I noticed the accurate captions help me understand the video better and not loose ten minutes of information because I was zoning out. Really wish more people took the time to put good, accurate captions on their videos.
We need more accommodations in college because omg. It’s hard to get them and there are so few options. Thank you for mentioning that some disabled people don’t wanna to do certain things because people forget especially for mental health issues.
Thank you, Silver and Ring system for being so open. We see you. We appreciate it so much. We just accidentally found your TH-cam, someone else must have been looking someone who is understanding and patience with us. As it seemed like you were talking to just me, not the internet. 💜Vi+Peterson.
Thank you! ❤️
Having been born with OCD and likely autism and having been raised with no one to help me and with parents who either weren’t there or responded to me with anger, thank you for continuing to thrive and talk about things like this(albeit this is an old video). I recently explored this space and ended up coming out knowing these were not my experiences however having a coping mechanism for stress that’s taken a severe toll on my ability to do anything in life gives me an appreciation and empathy for y’all’s experience, especially having suffered through dp/dr(Luckily I am out of that :>). I would love to work as an ally on raising awareness and as a writer to explore the experiences of people, especially with experiences of people who are often misunderstood and stigmatized. Wish you all well and hope you all continue to thrive :>.
bruh when you started going on about the "what ifs" 😭 i feel like that's never going to be possible in our lifetime. man idk i hope but ...
I hope it’s possible in our lifetimes, or at least some of it💕
livingame I know. It was so good.
I hear you, but remember, twenty years ago people were saying "marriage equality likely won't happen in our lifetime." Twenty years before that, it wasn't even acceptable to be out at all, and was actively dangerous. You could lose your job, your community, your family, your life... everything (sound familiar?). In those days the idea of the world we live in today would sound like a total pipe dream. But here we are. It's taken a lot of blood, sweat, and tears, but we made it to today. It happened. And each new generation is getting better and better about talking about mental and emotional health and well being, and the social changes are happening faster and faster as a result. We're going to see it happen, even if it takes a few years for our day to come. It won't be tomorrow and likely not this year or the next... but we'll still get there, and likely faster than you think.
Wow those things would really help 😱 I hope this will happen in the future...
Me too 💜
So happy to hear someone discuss mental health using the social model of disability! The mental health community and the disability community are somewhat separate and I really wish they would overlap more. We have way more in common than it seems at first glance.
Yeah! Mental health is fundamentally entwined with disability, and our communities really need to work more together 💕
Great ideas and great conversations to start!! All of these "how might we design for mental health" prompts would be perfect for design school, design co-ops, and organizations practicing design thinking for innovation. I would love to see more projects like this. Let's all keep discussing and envisioning!!! 💜
As someone going to uni to do special educational needs and disability inclusion studies, this is exactly what i intend to do with our life!! Educating people on what needs to be done for our world to be accessible to everyone, and forcing people to confront their own prejudices. I wanna devote myself to bringing those "what ifs" to fruition. No-one deserves to have less agency just because society doesnt want to change itself
Woooo!!! I'm so proud of you!!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
I started crying while you were listing the what ifs. All of this seems like a far away dream and even though I thought about the possibility of that stuff before I always dismissed it because "society will never do that". You give me hope with this. You give our system hope.
One of the things we're the most angry about is that society expects deaf and Hoh people to learn how to speak. That's like super audist and just not okay. We're currently learning sign language in our free time just so we can properly interact with people who use it (and also so we can interact when we're nonverbal/a mute alter fronts). And lemme tell you, there's enough on ASL but I haven't found anything close to enough for most other sign languages. I can't even learn the sign language of my country because the courses get cancelled because not enough people apply. It's sad tbh. And there are close to no online resources.
We really wanna help with all of this stuff but don't know how or where to start (we live in Europe), do you have any advice on that?
For ASL stuff, check out youtube - there's a lot of BSL on there, and many other sign languages.
For general accessibility stuff, start with doing some reading: mia mingus's blog, leaving evidence, is wonderful groundwork (and we'll be covering a lot of that content and tying it to DID in the future). Sins invalid (linked in the description, also googleable) are absolutely wonderful. Lydia Brown has a LOT of good neurodiversity writings on their blog, autistichoya. Then, see if you have any transformative justice, disability justice, disability rights or neurodiversity groups/organizations in your area, and if you do, reach out and see how you can help! If there's not, it's never to late to start building community where you are - in-person community is our strongest tool to making changes like this.
Lots of love, and good luck w the ASL! 💖
We all hate masking as a singlet. I want it not to be awkward. It feels near impossible to mention ourselves to anyone. Can plurality just be a thing people know about already that we don’t have to hide? I want to talk to people genuinely and hear them say my name. - Emilia
Same here. Hopefully that day will come soon 💖
Fantastic video and amazing points. I really hope we can see these changes made in our lifetime...
Me too 💕
Very well said, you have an awesome presence! I stumbled on this searching for an assignment for a disability management course I'm taking and this really helped me understand the models and consider more barriers we face than we see on the surface!
Thank you so much!
i always get therapists who are $120+ i never see anything less than that (adhd related especially)
Yup, therapy costs are a BIG yikes... I hope you find one less than that, or find a way to get it covered 💜
@@TheRingsSystem im at a place where i can just barely afford at least the adhd specialists but any further than that and we're in trouble 😔 the world you described sounds like such a wonderful place ... ive been thinking how badly i wish i had the years to catch up on missed childhood development...! great video, as always!
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HECK yeah!! I absolutely agreed before, but the actual suggestions for what to do in terms of systems hadn't really been something I knew what to do about. Hell, the fact that they help people who just have bad memory, are traumatised without DID or OSDD, or are trans and don't have a new name ready yet or are genderfluid or hell, helping endogenic systems and tulpamancers too, is just extra reasons why all of this stuff should absolutely be a thing that happens. Glad I have some ideas of what to actually advocate for, haha.
I can also quickly drop: pluralactivism.carrd.co :)
*TRUTH*
Ezcellent video for beginners on this topic! Very clear explanations. Thanks 💜
Thank you! 💓
I love the video, it made me emotional hearing you describe what a better future could be. I have so many ideas so here's a few: school and workplaces allowing multiples to use their names in an official capacity, possibly linked to an id number. Giving disabled people (and people in general) free/ subsidized housing. Acknowledging alters with individual access needs, and then accommodating them (a blind/deaf alter, alters w/ anxiety or psychosis). Acknowledging that there is a lot of grey area between a singlet and did/osdd systems. Encouraging multiples to exist however they're most comfortable, whether that be a v large system or integrated. Actual societal rights for children.
Yes!!! All of these are really good additions!!!
I also just remembered be my wife both do have Medicare and Medicaid we also have waivers to help us out as well everything unfortunately it’s under the medical model and things haven’t changed from that unless there’s enough help out there it’s never going to change because society won’t allow it
14 says: these vis are so helpful. On "accents" .... because of your hairclippy vid, we had the literal best day at work we've -ever- had by fronting around the colored -hairclippy- instead of the accent and going one by one through the numbers. 01 and 07 are our "computer people"... and also are the most dependent on how they talk. The end result feels like driving a car made of the generic state accent instead of theirs, but --good day at work-- and yes, Accents have been a problem for a long time for us. ... kinda a lot.
(Tip/In my experience) Okay so as an fairly covert system who (on Reddit) uses our system name, we use "The cover of ignorance" as a shield, most people don't know what system means and, the people who do tend to have DID/OSDD or are supporters. Honestly, most people just don't know enough to say anything. And a lot of usernames are weird there so no-one really notices.
Exactly! We accidentally popped into a zoom call w 3 people who didn't know about our plurality and our name was automatically "The Rings System" and no one batted an eye :)
This is a great video for sharing, thank you for it.
This terminology, "social model vs. medical model" is new to us personally, and very much appreciated.
If some of us need to do something a different way ior could do it better ior more easily a different way, ior need something about the environment which most others are oblivious to, we all ought see that as routine and perfectly ordinary: there are so many of us under that umbrella, we might actually be in the majority, so the term "special needs" seems rather ironic at best, and at worst out of touch with reality. _It also makes the world a whole lot more friendly_ when no one encourages us to feel like some basic aspect of who we are is hard to understand, burdensome, intimidating, et cetera.
Thanks for being so kind!
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This is a fantastic topic that needs to be discussed more.
Okay so I’m making a comic(probably won’t be available for years) and there’s going to be a character I plan on having D.I.D .they are not going to be a a main character ,but a love interest for a main character.I have done an incredible amount of research but the story takes place in a world with superpowers and magic. So I have some questions and to see if any of my plans for the character are offensive or just not appropriate. (Mainly on how I should handle the “magic” bit.I want to give them a shapeshifting power and for them to use it when they switch (not always)is that okay?I want to give them a power that Relates to the disorder. Should I change it to something else?Like ;cloning,shape shifting,HIVE mind etc.or should I give each alter there own power?(this would be hard because the powers are gene related) but I’m also willing to change it if it’s seen as offensive and give them a power non-DID related.ALSO I’m going to make them all be in poly relationship with the main character which I heard was a okay from another TH-camr with DID.Would that be fine?Anyone could answer but I really wanted feedback and an okay from a person with DID.Thank you so much!
Hello! We actually just made a twitter thread on our thoughts about fantasy DID characters - you can read it over there, our url is TheRingsSystem. Feel free to reach out via twitter DM’s for questions about your character too after reading it :)
You are very brave, thank you very much for your appropriate and compassionate content.
Thank you!
As a system member, I don't just fear the reaction from the rest of society, I also fear other systems too. If we were out and proud about it on TH-cam and making videos, since we are not yet diagnosed I'm quite concerned about 'sysmedicalism' - the gatekeeping that goes on the plural community, requiring you to have been officially diagnosed.
We really do deserve a better society. I will do better to make sure society is improved at every opportunity I see
Yes, we understand that. We were self-diagnosed for a few years, and got some flack for that in the community - and we still get random hate? comments about how our choice in healing (healthy multiplicity instead of integration) is wrong/incorrect/ect. We deserve both a better society, and a community that accepts us unconditionally ❤️️
All your videos are so informative... My husband (who I work for) quit his job today because my manager wanted to fire me for not having as much energy as the other employees (I've been through blood tests twice and nobody knows what the cause is yet). I was wondering whether that counted as disability discrimination or not. This kind of helps me understand that it is, while before I kinda just assumed that I shouldn't have worked anywhere that there was a slight chance this would impact my work ethic. Ugh I'm rambling again aren't I :P basically just wanted to say great video as always!
Yes! That absolutely counts as disability discrimination, and I'm sorry you & your husband had to deal with that. I hope things get figured out soon 💖
@@TheRingsSystem Thanks
Ahhhh we love your content and attitude so much!
Aaaah Thank you!!!
I think another problem is also that therapists just... keep quiet.
I had someone figure out that I had DID in 2015. I'm not counting him though, because he had no intention of helping me, but instead used his "new found power" to ab*se all the children in the system that I was unaware of. Fun times.
However, after that I got a new therapist and in our first(!) session he mentioned seeing amnesia, but I didn't realize it at that time and was like "huh, but this is normal". After I myself(!) finally figured out that I might have DID (>1.5 years later), I told him about my suspicion and he was like "oh yeah, I suspected that from the start". Like wtf? I mean, I get that I therapist should not force a diagnosis on you, but he could've at least tested me for dissociative disorders or just explain to me that systems exist and what a system is. If anyone had told me about the existance of systems, I would have figured out that I have DID years ago. I have diary entries stating stuff like "I feel like I'm different people" all the way back to 2015 (or maybe even before that, I threw away all my diaries from before 2012 at some point, so I only know that I didn't mention it between 2012 and 2015).
I don't even think we need DID education in schools (although it would be great), just have every therapist run the standard dissociative disorder test on every person they know experienced trauma. (Or a shortened version maybe.)
And educate doctors on trauma symptoms. I had to do a few medical procedures as a child that don't hurt and are just a tiny little bit uncomfortable, but I was screaming every single time for years and trying to fight them off as though they wanted to kill me (again: it doesn't even hurt!), just because they wanted to put a stick into my mouth for three seconds. And no one(!) ever thought "hm, well, this isn't normal, this child should probably see a therapist". I mean, yeah, probably not every child who reacts that way has been r*ped before, but ... at least send them to a therapist?
On another note though, at least we have an at least semi-functioning healthcare system in germany. I get to have therapy that I don't need to pay myself. I'll just have to wait until late 2020/early 2021... I got my diagnosis in december 2019. That's why I'm saying semi-functioning. I also could not afford therapy on my own. Heck, I couldn't even afford to live without healthcare. I haven't been able to work for three years. So yeah, germany is great and all (if you're patient).
Alsooo ~ yes to the "introducing yourself with a collective name" part! We kinda use the bodies name as a collective name, but it feels really weird and uncomfortable...
I have gone on a rant, haven't I?
The point is, all this would be really cool (and necessary) and I hope, some day at least 50% of it can be implemented.
~ Lana
Yes!!! All this is so great!! I'm so glad Germany has supported y'all like that ❤️❤️
Your suggestions are amazing 💖 i really look forward to your videos
Thank you!
It would have been really good to have screening early on.
I think one key I'm seeing is that often it's not just good to be represented or recognized.
It's also necessary to have the right kind of representation.
I'm in a system which strongly suspects they are autistic, but screening did not exist when I was a kid.
However some more extreme treatments for autism seem... like they would have hurt our system.
Others-- especially those that encourage supports to address sensory issues-- would have helped.
I really hope that positive changes (like those you suggest) are made.
-Defender
[Regarding testing for DID/OSDD or other issues]
I think I would have benefited greatly from just knowing what was going on.
Resources from others I found online were greatly helpful on their own.
Therapy itself was incredibly helpful.
If I had been recognized and treated sooner, I would not have nearly as much work to do now :-)
Still I also feel a fear that I would have been judged or not seen as capable.
Rather than in truth being more capable, given that I would have had help.
-Host
Thank you for this extremely informative and important video!
Thank you!
Thank you so much 🙏
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With physical disabilities, I feel like we used to be too far toward the medical model but now have swung too far toward the social model. The narrative leans strongly on what is known in the disability community as ‘inspiration p*rn’ where we are shown disabled people who have achieved amazing things like climbing a mountain with 2 prosthetic legs or complete a triathlon in a wheelchair and told ‘if this person can achieve this, what’s your excuse!’ There is less financial support for disabled people because of the belief that every person can be an equal part of society and the work force with the right accommodations, and it is almost impossible to get medical or mental health support if you are house or bed bound.
With mental illness/disability, as you’ve said, it’s the other way around. If you can’t pass for ‘normal’ then there is very little acceptance or accommodation.
I think the biggest problem comes when a person has both physical AND mental health conditions. When you ask for mental health support/treatment, you are told you are being non compliant and therefore will not be given help if your physical symptoms make it difficult or impossible to have a certain level of independence or activity. When you seek treatment/support for physical symptoms/needs you are often not taken seriously if they are aware that you also have mental health issues, or they will see you as a safety risk and ask you to leave if you act in a ‘not normal’ way.
I think this is partly because health and social care is broken down into little specialised sections rather than working with a person holistically, so mental health professionals are often not trained enough in how to cater to physically disabled people and medical/social care staff who are not specifically specialised in mental health are not trained enough in mental health issues. It’s stupid really when you consider that people with physical disability or chronic illness are statistically more vulnerable to things that can cause mental health issues and vice versa. There just needs to be more awareness that people are complex individuals and a ‘one size fits all’ approach will rarely work.
I would argue that inspiration porn isn't the social model of disability, I would say it's just ableism - another way for abled people to twist our narratives to hurt disabled folks. Some folks who are the biggest activists for the social model of disability are vehemently against inspiration porn, and for good reason. ... it's just abled people using disabled narratives to feel good about themselves, and then be ablest to other disabled folks. If anything, the social model is against this - because the ableism is what's disabling us, and getting in our way of accessing society!
And yeah! Love your critique of the intersections of mental health and disability ❤️️
you should be able to use your system name as your official legal name.
otherwise it wouldn't make sense to use it when introducing yourself.
the body's name would be a better choice because it's linked to it officially.
if you want to change one, the other should precede it.
edit: obviously systems should take the naming process seriously and not be able to change it whenever they feel like it.
Yes!!! Absolutely!
What if mental illness and disorders in general were more aceppted and understood by society?
I wish I didn't had to hide my mental illnesses in school in fear of getting rejected and bullied.
I wish I just could've gone to a comfortable grounding room where I could calm down instead of hiding in the schools restroom self harming in fear of getting caught and punished.
I wish we had more than just one counselour (that was also religious)
I wish there was a support system for students like me with depression and anxiety and other mental illnesses that helped us during stressful times like exams and individual issues.
I wish sex ed was more inclusive and invormative.
I wish there was a LGBTQ+ support group!
Society has a lot to learn and do about these issues. Because we are not a minority. Mental and physical health, sexuality, intolerance, etc affects everyone in this world!
Yeah!!!! These are all so good! ❤️
Hi I really enjoy the content of this channel it helps alot because my partner has 3 alters one which is present 99.9% of the time an 2 others normally when she switches the alter maybe stays a few hours or a dayor two but now she is gone for a week and this never happened before its hard because the alter that fronted is rather self destructive I can't leave her alone without someone watching she'd hurt herself it happened once that our old house was burned down by the alter... I am worried how long is it possible for such an alter to stay? Because the last 1.5 years there were no switches
I really don’t know and I don’t think there’s an answer, it varies System to System. As always, talking to a therapist about this is probably your best bet to help the alter and make sure it doesn’t happen again in the future 💕
btw is there only OSDD-1a and OSDD-1b or are there more types of OSDD? the "1" makes it sound like there's more but I can't find anything on the web so I'm confused.
Yes! There's OSDD-2, -3, and -4; but only OSDD-1 results in alters & a system :)
traumadissociation.com should tell you more!
@@TheRingsSystem that just reinforces my opinion that they should simply call it "DID-1a" and "DID-1b" or something like that. I don't think you can compare a disorder with alters to one without alters.
the rings system... what is your view on religious introjects?
All introjects form without... any influence of the other alters. Splitting - how, when, and who you split - is all out of the system's control. So any introject, regardless of what or who they're an introject of, is valid. 💜
Very thoughtful. What if we could get disability without becoming homeless and further trauma?
Yeah! That would be lovely
This comment is only for people who are comfortable with talking about triggers/trigger warnings.
When it comes to content and trigger warnings, there are things that are pretty obvious, but since triggers can be anything, I’m never quite sure what I should put a warning on (apart from the obvious ones). I mean, if I know someone’s triggers then there’s no problem, but what should be my “default”? And how can I find out what common triggers are? Since I think it’s probably triggering in itself to just ask people to name their triggers right away, that feels disrespectful and I would never do that unless I know they’re comfortable with it. So I guess my question is, are there lists somewhere out there of common triggers that I could look up and see if I missed things that should better get a warning?
Finally, I have another question. I’m in the process of building ideas for a TH-cam channel, it’ll probably be about writing and literature etc, and I was wondering if people would benefit from videos where I analyze if a book is triggering or not, like “this is safe to read” etc. Would that be helpful or is it a weird idea? (Obviously it still needs work)
You should do it. Some of the worts trauma I've had has been trigger by books, movies, or stories.
Thank you so much for this video I am legally blind I also have multiple mental health diagnoses latest dissociative identity disorder and I also have problems with reading writing math skills everything because all of my life nobody would read stuff to me for me to comprehend or understand properly everybody always tried to make me read or write and I couldn’t do it my brain was not capable of doing any of that there’s so much more I could tell you but it would take so long Plus my wife is in a power wheelchair which is extremely expensive expensive and she barely has any way of well she can’t actually bear weight whatsoever she has extremely limited use of her hands and she has to have help with eating while in bed and a lot of other things I take care of her along with help from my provider that helps us we both receive Social Security supplemental disability income off of our parents we do make still below minimum wage but enough to help pay for our own home utilities food does not leave us much room for a whole Lotta clothes shopping or being able to get out and do other things transportation is also limited because of my fears my triggers especially when I had to go into the hospital for COVID-19 when they were those are breathing apparatus devices that son was like a regulator from a scuba tank that scares me I get terrified from that and whenever I hear it or I get too crowded I can’t concentrate or focus that well my physical health and my mental health are not exactly the greatest at this time I have COVID-19 as well my wife was in the hospital for pneumonia and COVID-19 we’re still under quarantine until the 28th of this month meantime I’m struggling with being able to do a lot of things and have for years because of traumas that I’ve had from very early childhood and abused by my brother and my sister which I do remember those abuses and on top of that I also have medical traumas from when I was a baby all the way up until I was four years old that I know of but I was told and many other things so yeah you said a complete mouth fall from all sides of disability levels and problems I was even told by my sister my brother used to hit me over the head with a toy fire truck and many other things I didn’t find out later until my mom told me eventually when I was in my teens that my brother used to destroy and burn my toys I was wondering what happened all my toys and my life is been a total nightmare it’s been disabled in many ways thank you for this video I thought I would give you this much information about myself and my wife for others to hear and no PS we are also advocates in the disability field as well as we have also been working with the Indiana Coalition Against Domestic Violence and working on a task force regarding disability and domestic and sexual abuse which should also cover mental abuse as well which we are going to address in the group to because of mental problems that many probably happier people may happen I hate using that word though so that’s it otherwise I could keep talking literally forever
I’m sorry to hear about all those rough things - it’s also so cool you guys are disability advocates and doing all that work! I’m proud of y’all ❤️