Ford Ranger 10 speed automatic gearbox issues and fixes
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- This video is about the issues that I have had with my Ford Ranger 10 Speed automatic gearbox and how I was able to fix it. I have been digging for weeks to get info and tried to explain what happens and what I have done to fix it as the Ford Dealers do ignore many of the issues. I also explain to some extend on how that gearbox works. These methods worked for mine 2021 Biturbo Wildtrak. Meanwhile old rusty video's are in editing...
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Bought a new Ranger StormTrak May 2023. Gearbox trauma from day 1. Took it back to dealer. Told them to reflash the TCM and ECU and then access to Adaptive Learning and put it into "Halt Adaptive Learning". They REALLY didn't want to do it until I told them I would park it outside the dealership with a BIG sign -THIS CAR IS A LEMON DO NOT BUY FORD!!! So they did what I asked and GUESS WHAT.... no gearbox problems. Drives smooth and feels great. The lesson is KNOW YOUR RIGHTS....do your research. BTW I actually like the Ranger its Ford's terrible terrible service thats the problem. They sell us lemons and we drink the lemonade. I don't know if this will work for you but its a good start.
Thanks, and yes Ford dealers are always arguing if we ask something as the owners of the car...
had the same in poland , i rode with sign FORD NEVER AGAIN and TO SELL ON OWN RISK - in one year old ranger raptor.
Thank you mate! Good high quality piece of knowledge.
Very good video, nice and thorough and well explained
Thank you sir for sharing video. I keeping searching the solution about this problem of my 2018 F150 3.5L Ecoboost V6 10 speed automatic gearbox. I will try this step.
Our 2020 Ford Ranger was shifting roughly, especially 1 to 2 and 2 to 3. Took it to Ford dealer. They have Technical Service Bulletins referencing this issue for most of the Ford trucks/SUV 2017-2023. The latest is TSB 22-2428. In our case they performed the recommended actions, including resetting the Transmission Adaptive Learning. Just normal driving for a couple of days afterward seemed to complete the fix.
Nice one Steve. Not that I’ve got a Ford ranger and probably never need one lol 😂 But it’s always great listening to you explain things simply. 🏴
Thanks Stevie for the comments
Excellent piece of research, super great video! I still hate my F-250 trans though
Cold start is normal issue to all vehicle not just Ranger. Any car will experience cold start and that is not on the 10 speed transmission issue. Cold start most like the starter problem or battery nothing on transmission. We have 2007 model transmissiom we fix the starter and now no more cold start. The problem to all driver who drive on Automatic is the way they drive. When you drive in City push the accelerator slowly and it will change gear to low to higher gear Do not push and pull the accelerator. There are many gear inside the transmission. Now when u drive in highway push deep the accelerator and u can see the odometer go high speed and if reach to 80 to 100 kph release the accelerator and let the carl run. If the odometer is slowly down to 60 then its time to push the accelerator and if reach to 120 to 160 release again. That is the way your automatic car will last to 30 yrs without any problem. Another friendly advise to all automatic car owner when you park hit hard the brake and put to neutral and then park. If you hit the brake and put to park the vehicle will move backward and if you do that all the time your reverse transmission will damage the gear and it will not reverse. This is what I observed to all Automatic.
Summary:
All Automatic car. Do not push and pull the accerator. Push slowly to reach to 60kph if u drive in City. City speed max to 0 to 40 correct me if I am wrong. In freeway push deep accelerator if reach to 80 to 120 relase the accelerator let the car run. If u see the odometer slowly down speed and push again the accelerstor to reach to high speed 160kph and release again. Friendly advise to last forever without any problem. I say again do not push and pull the accelerator if u drive automatic car.😁😁😁😁😁 if manual no problem
I always warm the truck up. I was told that it gives the turbo and the rest of engin enough time to lube up. Haven't had issues when i do that.
Thanks for the video! I'm going to try this this weekend and get back to you. I have an appointment with Ford next week to drop off my 2020 Ranger for all these exact issues. They said they need the truck for 2 or 3 weeks to rebuild the transmission. Mine has gone from bad shifts to worse, it can't find a gear sometimes when I'm on the highway it almost feels like a stall. Thanks again.
Did you replace the entire 10R80 gearbox or just repair it?
I traded the truck in for a 2023 Ranger while at the dealer to get it fixed. The new 2023 truck had the rear end replace at 5k miles it blew the 1st month on the freeway, an oil leak from day 1, electrical/tech issues, trans shifting problems started at 7k mile it was in the shop for 30+ days. And a bad steering gear. Thankfully Ford bought it back. I turned it in 3 weeks ago.
There is a class action lawsuit for the 10R80 trans. I would never buy a vehicle that has that trans. It's made by Ford and GM so GM trucks, some sedans and Cadillacs use them. They are junk. @@nguyenvinhha75
There is a technical service bulletin for these transmissions and basically it says to update the TCM. If that doesn’t work then replace the valve body. If that doesn’t work replace the transmission. It should be under warranty. Most dealers will do a lot to not do something under warranty. It unfortunately does not pay well. This is not the dealers fault it’s the manufacturer. They set the warranty times. Truth is most car companies can no longer make a product that can be mass produced, reliable, cheap, efficient, and simple to fix. If your car is under warranty you have to get mean to get what you want unfortunately. Go on a test drive with a technician if you have to. Thanks for the video. My 22 ranger has shifting issues but it’s fine 90% of the time.
I have a 2021 US version of the Ford Ranger and so far have 36K on it. I haven't had any issues with the 10 speed transmission at all. Under normal circumstances it will always skip 2nd gear and will handle any gear down to 1100 RPM. In fact it acts more like a diesel than a gas engine. It simply has that much power coming from the 2.3 turbo engine. It does not hunt and will seamlessly shift without drama. I do not abuse the truck but don't baby it either. I think part of my success is using 93 octane gasoline as the engine produces more power, more easily with the extra octane. If you press the down shift lever on the stick in drive mode it will show you what gear you are in. In fact you can also use this feature to limit what gear will be the highest available. Say you are in the mountains and want to avoid 9th and 10th gear you can simply press the downshift lever until 7 is the highest number on the dash display. Pressing the upshift will reverse the process. Of course you can also use sport mode but it is less flexible in some scenarios. Overall the 2.3, 10 speed has proven not to be the problem some people report. I have never been to the dealer for warranty work so I got a good one. If you test drive a new one at the dealer the engine and transmission will act very differently compared to when the engine and transmission are broken in - this leads to many false impressions of the vehicle. Thanks for sharing.
Have a 2020 ranger raptor and it has run close to 80.000km and the gearbox is absolutely crazy so its going to the dealership for a check Greetings from Norway
Yeah, before every starting up the car, i always push start button to activate electronic system and listen to beating sound of pressure pump, and start the car after the beating sound stop to give time for it to get enough pressure.
I think a lot of the videos I've seen on TH-cam about Ford's Ranger and 10-speed gearbox problems are extremely unfair. This is the first video that approaches it from a technical angle and with an intelligent break down of what's going on. I've put nearly 10,000 miles on my 2023 and I haven't experienced any issues (yet) with this transmission. However, I also routinely take these steps also, so perhaps my method is not as harsh as some folks who like to turn the key and launch hard on a cold engine. We'll see in time, but everything you explained makes sense.
Thank you
My 19 didn't have issues till 60k
Hey Steve
Hope you are well
Great looking truck.
Take care
Thank you for the comments.
Right. Definitely, best to let transmission fluid warm up in snow and cold weather - 2023 XLT.
Thank you, much better information than the ford dealer
This is an issue i have on my Ford Ranger that i ve seen nobody talking about!! I do have a Ford Ranger 10 speed auto and im well familiar with that cold start issue. I do experience a violent gear shift though, mostly just on the 2nd to 3rd gear shift if i give to much throttle. Should i do the learning procedure although i dont have a OBD reader to clear the codes?
Very helpful! Great content!
Ive put about 2,400 miles on my 23' Ford Ranger Tremor and I have started to notice some of these issues as well. Some hard shifts especially in the cold, some harsh clutch engagements and disengagements after letting on/off the accelerator pedal etc. I thought maybe it was the trans fluid not flowing throughout the transmission fully but I'll still notice it after driving for 20 minutes or more with temps at operating levels. Going over hills or irregular terrain while it trying to hunt for the right gear felt very lurchy and uncomfortable. And after your spiel on it not being in a learning state for the first 1,000 miles or so of its life is a bit concerning for the future longevity of my particular unit. Almost makes me feel as though im not driving it correctly in a way or being too careless but its just the way it drives.
If the 10R80 is anything like the 6R80, (thats a ford copy of the ZF 6speed) and I bet it shares software with tweaks.
I replaced my valve body on my 6R80 with a genuine Ford complete unit to rectify harsh shifts.
The new valve body came from ford with a software code on a tag in the pladtic floating in the fluid to replace the factory one on the transmission, along with a 4 page instruction on how to update the software to a new shift strategy number to suit the calibration of the new solenoids (I used Forscan) and how to perform the shift calibration procedure.
The vehicle had to be driven several times at light throttle until it reached 4th gear at 50kmh then come to a gentle stop, then hold the break down for 10 seconds.
This had to be performed about 10 times in a row on a flat road.
I cannot remember the exact details but I still have the paperwork somewhere.
This is instructions from the manufacturer so anything else you get told on the internet is BS.
This information is not really in the puplic domain as it is intended for Ford technicians performing repairs, the same as TSB documents are, so the techs can perform repairs in ford dealerships.
The only self learning box i know of is the ZF 6speed boxes, that have a mechatronic mounted TCM that sits in the fluid similar to the early 6R80 units.
The self learning part on a Ford vehicle is the KAM (keep alive memory) and is stored by the TCM and recognises driver behaviour in regards to throttle application scenarios. Im not sure its still in use as this was a 1990s and 2000s technology.
Im sure something similar is in play now with more sophistication, but it is not a function of the TCM is Ford manufactured transmissions.
Waw, dat was een hele brok of een automatische bak ! Zeer goed uitgelegd. Btw, ik heb ook nog in discussie gegaan met Ford.
Afgewimpeld worden bij de dealer, hoewel... voet bij stuk gehouden ! Vervolgens, ingenieurs van Ford Genk (toen bestond dat nog) ! Grote discussie... dan Ford UK... idem. Uiteindelijk... gelijk gekregen, alles vergoed !
Inderdaad, dat is hun tactiek , eerst afwimpelen maar als men aanhoud zal men moeten toegeven.
Cold start is normal issue to all vehicle not just Ranger. Any car will experience cold start and that is not on the 10 speed transmission issue. Cold start most like the starter problem or battery nothing on transmission. We have 2007 model transmissiom we fix the starter and now no more cold start. The problem to all driver who drive on Automatic is the way they drive. When you drive in City push the accelerator slowly and it will change gear to low to higher gear Do not push and pull the accelerator. There are many gear inside the transmission. Now when u drive in highway push deep the accelerator and u can see the odometer go high speed and if reach to 80 to 100 kph release the accelerator and let the carl run. If the odometer is slowly down to 60 then its time to push the accelerator and if reach to 120 to 160 release again. That is the way your automatic car will last to 30 yrs without any problem. Another friendly advise to all automatic car owner when you park hit hard the brake and put to neutral and then park. If you hit the brake and put to park the vehicle will move backward and if you do that all the time your reverse transmission will damage the gear and it will not reverse. This is what I observed to all Automatic.
Summary:
All Automatic car. Do not push and pull the accerator. Push slowly to reach to 60kph if u drive in City. City speed max to 0 to 40 correct me if I am wrong. In freeway push deep accelerator if reach to 80 to 120 relase the accelerator let the car run. If u see the odometer slowly down speed and push again the accelerstor to reach to high speed 160kph and release again. Friendly advise to last forever without any problem. I say again do not push and pull the accelerator if u drive automatic car.😁😁😁😁😁 if manual no problem
The ZF 8 speed leaves this gearbox for dead. You don’t need to do anything with the ZF. It just works
hi steve, thanks for this video. I have a 2024 ranger raptor bi-turbo. i don't have any concerns right now but can i just start doing this procedure without resetting anything so i can just make sure it's in optimal condition?
Thank you very much for the great video. It will help a lot of people. You really explained it so well. ;-)
Thank you, it worked for me, so lets hope it works for others as well
Thanks for the video! Steve, would you say that a 10 speed transmission replaces the need for a two speed transfer case (4-lo)?
No not at all, there is still the need for a transfer box , so that we can even further reduce the gear to have more torque , and of course the 4H
Hi D3Sshotter, thanks for clearly explaination. I have a doubt: in my 10r80 i have seen a little red drops (i suppose oil gearbox) hanging from cooler tubes. Could it be related with any kind of usage? or it is a kind of leak not related with how i use/shif the gears?? After your explanation i supposed it is not related with bad learning proccess, isnt? Thanks in advance.
I don't think so, but rather from a miner sweating joint/seal....
@@D3Sshooter i went to dealer, i hope it will be nothing important.
Informative piece you have put together make sense.
I have an issue with transmission being in to high a gear, say 7th or even 8th traveling 50 km an hour. It's too high and has that jerking feel. Any suggestions? Service Ford just says they are all like that, not comforting to think this is what Ford wants??? Wouldn't of bought the truck if this is the way they want???
I know, and there is little to do..maybe just go through that learning sequence and see if it improves
Thank you Sir! Got a raptor 2022 and picky as i am i was noticing exact the same issues as you had. Is bad enough brand new raptor with rusted chassis then plus the gearbox i was getting mad..
That's interesting I went to see a 2022 Wildtrack and noticed the rust beneath the chassis and it is stopping me from buying it.
Love your work 👍
Thanks bud
Cold start is normal issue to all vehicle not just Ranger. Any car will experience cold start and that is not on the 10 speed transmission issue. Cold start most like the starter problem or battery nothing on transmission. We have 2007 model transmissiom we fix the starter and now no more cold start. The problem to all driver who drive on Automatic is the way they drive. When you drive in City push the accelerator slowly and it will change gear to low to higher gear Do not push and pull the accelerator. There are many gear inside the transmission. Now when u drive in highway push deep the accelerator and u can see the odometer go high speed and if reach to 80 to 100 kph release the accelerator and let the carl run. If the odometer is slowly down to 60 then its time to push the accelerator and if reach to 120 to 160 release again. That is the way your automatic car will last to 30 yrs without any problem. Another friendly advise to all automatic car owner when you park hit hard the brake and put to neutral and then park. If you hit the brake and put to park the vehicle will move backward and if you do that all the time your reverse transmission will damage the gear and it will not reverse. This is what I observed to all Automatic.
Summary:
All Automatic car. Do not push and pull the accerator. Push slowly to reach to 60kph if u drive in City. City speed max to 0 to 40 correct me if I am wrong. In freeway push deep accelerator if reach to 80 to 120 relase the accelerator let the car run. If u see the odometer slowly down speed and push again the accelerstor to reach to high speed 160kph and release again. Friendly advise to last forever without any problem. I say again do not push and pull the accelerator if u drive automatic car.😁😁😁😁😁 if manual no problem
Helpful, thanks Steve
My pleasure
Cold start is normal issue to all vehicle not just Ranger. Any car will experience cold start and that is not on the 10 speed transmission issue. Cold start most like the starter problem or battery nothing on transmission. We have 2007 model transmissiom we fix the starter and now no more cold start. The problem to all driver who drive on Automatic is the way they drive. When you drive in City push the accelerator slowly and it will change gear to low to higher gear Do not push and pull the accelerator. There are many gear inside the transmission. Now when u drive in highway push deep the accelerator and u can see the odometer go high speed and if reach to 80 to 100 kph release the accelerator and let the carl run. If the odometer is slowly down to 60 then its time to push the accelerator and if reach to 120 to 160 release again. That is the way your automatic car will last to 30 yrs without any problem. Another friendly advise to all automatic car owner when you park hit hard the brake and put to neutral and then park. If you hit the brake and put to park the vehicle will move backward and if you do that all the time your reverse transmission will damage the gear and it will not reverse. This is what I observed to all Automatic.
Summary:
All Automatic car. Do not push and pull the accerator. Push slowly to reach to 60kph if u drive in City. City speed max to 0 to 40 correct me if I am wrong. In freeway push deep accelerator if reach to 80 to 120 relase the accelerator let the car run. If u see the odometer slowly down speed and push again the accelerstor to reach to high speed 160kph and release again. Friendly advise to last forever without any problem. I say again do not push and pull the accelerator if u drive automatic car.😁😁😁😁😁 if manual no problem
Oh for the days of 4 speed manual gearbox an engine with a distributor carburettor and no electrics far less problems
Indeed
Absolutely agree with that.
I’m totally hacked off with modern vehicles, the interior poses as a huge distraction to the driver, with all this ‘infotainment’ which supposed to please the eye.
Heating controls in cars in .5 degree increments, and zoned areas in a small car cabin….WTF!.
HATE THESE VEHICLES WITH A PASSION!
You remember carbon arcs on the distributor cap? Setting the Points gap, advance and dwell setting? Float leaks? Needle valve problems?
It wasn’t roses.
but you could it now it needs to be plugged in@@bearlemley
Thank you, a very interesting and useful video.
Steve, you have the rare mix of left brain AND right brain skills. It seems you are an Engineer and an Artist. I love the variety of your content. I have a 2017 Ford F150 with a 10 speed Automatic gear box. I’ve had no issues with it and I pull a lot of trailers with it. (I’ve had issues with cam phasers but that’s another story) So it seems the firmware in the Ranger is different than an F150.
Are you sure the fluid level is correct, as low fluid can cause similiar issues. Maybe the dip stick is wrong.😟
Thanks Jim, I know I am a bit strange lol... Yes all the basics are checked.... The F150 should have the same box but possible different firmware...
Cold start is normal issue to all vehicle not just Ranger. Any car will experience cold start and that is not on the 10 speed transmission issue. Cold start most like the starter problem or battery nothing on transmission. We have 2007 model transmissiom we fix the starter and now no more cold start. The problem to all driver who drive on Automatic is the way they drive. When you drive in City push the accelerator slowly and it will change gear to low to higher gear Do not push and pull the accelerator. There are many gear inside the transmission. Now when u drive in highway push deep the accelerator and u can see the odometer go high speed and if reach to 80 to 100 kph release the accelerator and let the carl run. If the odometer is slowly down to 60 then its time to push the accelerator and if reach to 120 to 160 release again. That is the way your automatic car will last to 30 yrs without any problem. Another friendly advise to all automatic car owner when you park hit hard the brake and put to neutral and then park. If you hit the brake and put to park the vehicle will move backward and if you do that all the time your reverse transmission will damage the gear and it will not reverse. This is what I observed to all Automatic.
Summary:
All Automatic car. Do not push and pull the accerator. Push slowly to reach to 60kph if u drive in City. City speed max to 0 to 40 correct me if I am wrong. In freeway push deep accelerator if reach to 80 to 120 relase the accelerator let the car run. If u see the odometer slowly down speed and push again the accelerstor to reach to high speed 160kph and release again. Friendly advise to last forever without any problem. I say again do not push and pull the accelerator if u drive automatic car.😁😁😁😁😁 if manual no problem
So do you still have the truck? I have a 2019 and bringing it in for these issues. Just curious what I need to suggest to them. Did you performing the learning curve fix it for long term?
Hi Nick yes I do and since that time I did do that procedure , it has never had an issue again. I would ask them to upload the latest software and then have at least that procedure done
I got everything up to…”hello folks and welcome to the channel”. I accidentally hit play on your vid instead of my intended watch, “is your eyesight getting worse”
Hi, i have the 2021 ranger with the manual 6 speed. do you have any recommendations to look out for?
In Vietnam, there are too many Ford cars using 6-speed gearboxes and in my opinion, it is quite stable and rarely has scary phenomena like 10R80.
Interesting, I have a Raptor Ranger on order, curious if will have similar issues.
Hi Pat, nice .... I was thinking of it some time ago... let us know ok how it goes
Cold start is normal issue to all vehicle not just Ranger. Any car will experience cold start and that is not on the 10 speed transmission issue. Cold start most like the starter problem or battery nothing on transmission. We have 2007 model transmissiom we fix the starter and now no more cold start. The problem to all driver who drive on Automatic is the way they drive. When you drive in City push the accelerator slowly and it will change gear to low to higher gear Do not push and pull the accelerator. There are many gear inside the transmission. Now when u drive in highway push deep the accelerator and u can see the odometer go high speed and if reach to 80 to 100 kph release the accelerator and let the carl run. If the odometer is slowly down to 60 then its time to push the accelerator and if reach to 120 to 160 release again. That is the way your automatic car will last to 30 yrs without any problem. Another friendly advise to all automatic car owner when you park hit hard the brake and put to neutral and then park. If you hit the brake and put to park the vehicle will move backward and if you do that all the time your reverse transmission will damage the gear and it will not reverse. This is what I observed to all Automatic.
Summary:
All Automatic car. Do not push and pull the accerator. Push slowly to reach to 60kph if u drive in City. City speed max to 0 to 40 correct me if I am wrong. In freeway push deep accelerator if reach to 80 to 120 relase the accelerator let the car run. If u see the odometer slowly down speed and push again the accelerstor to reach to high speed 160kph and release again. Friendly advise to last forever without any problem. I say again do not push and pull the accelerator if u drive automatic car.😁😁😁😁😁 if manual no problem
I bought mine 2.0 bi-turbo, not new V6, to avoid all issues of the new model, and here we are. Tranny is jerky and dealer cant reproduce behavior 😀
How's your Raptor doing now? I'm still waiting for mine.
Really interesting Steve. I have a AMG wagon which has cold morning gearbox hesitation and stuttering on warm days so it might not just be a Ford / GM issue ? Too much technology perhaps? Great production as usual.
Thanks for the comments , same issue "time needed to build up pressure"
These gearboxes are safe for city driving. Where tow trucks are easily available. Out in the bush, we need simpler vehicles that don't break down all the time.
ford wildtrak 2017 in every morning , when i put in D position. engine is going to off, but i put in P, R, .engine is ok.
6 speed also has a delay from cold start.
I do think this is how this gearbox works and there is no fix for it since it isn’t broken. Wouldn’t hurt to recalibrate every now and then. I hope mine will be fine. It will arrive december 2022.
Indeed, it is a perception that we all have on driving gearboxes with less gears , as those rev through the RPM's .. If you have a 10 speed gearbox that rev'ing is more within a limited range and when driven modest it almost sounds like the engine runs at a steady RPM... and that is a strange feeling but normal
Cold start is normal issue to all vehicle not just Ranger. Any car will experience cold start and that is not on the 10 speed transmission issue. Cold start most like the starter problem or battery nothing on transmission. We have 2007 model transmissiom we fix the starter and now no more cold start. The problem to all driver who drive on Automatic is the way they drive. When you drive in City push the accelerator slowly and it will change gear to low to higher gear Do not push and pull the accelerator. There are many gear inside the transmission. Now when u drive in highway push deep the accelerator and u can see the odometer go high speed and if reach to 80 to 100 kph release the accelerator and let the carl run. If the odometer is slowly down to 60 then its time to push the accelerator and if reach to 120 to 160 release again. That is the way your automatic car will last to 30 yrs without any problem. Another friendly advise to all automatic car owner when you park hit hard the brake and put to neutral and then park. If you hit the brake and put to park the vehicle will move backward and if you do that all the time your reverse transmission will damage the gear and it will not reverse. This is what I observed to all Automatic.
Summary:
All Automatic car. Do not push and pull the accerator. Push slowly to reach to 60kph if u drive in City. City speed max to 0 to 40 correct me if I am wrong. In freeway push deep accelerator if reach to 80 to 120 relase the accelerator let the car run. If u see the odometer slowly down speed and push again the accelerstor to reach to high speed 160kph and release again. Friendly advise to last forever without any problem. I say again do not push and pull the accelerator if u drive automatic car.😁😁😁😁😁 if manual no problem
Disable the adaptive learning in the computer. Supposedly it corrects all the issues.
Steve, were you there when this gearbox was designed?
MBS Moshitoa south Africa
Not really, but through some friends I was able to get the information. For the rest this is a typical TCM and standard CAN bus technology together with a standard automatic gearbox... if you know all those basic principles, then reverse engineering becomes easy
I am little disappointed in this video because I was expecting to see you opening it and doing some tests. Unfortunately it didn't want you to
That is a pretty large defect in the engineering. To find a flat surface with no traffic and no speed limit so that the TCM can learn from the ECU would be impossible even if you wanted to pay the traffic fines and lose your license where I and many other people live. For it to shift to those top gears it is going to have to be exceeding the speed limit by a large margin. Here on a confined island with two lane roads and maximum speed of 55 on twisting and turning roads (not to mention winter time ice and snow, rain all year) +heavy traffic, this just isn't feasible. Not only that we have no dealership (although that does not seem to have helped you and in past experience I have found the same) available with "trained" mechanics on complicated systems. In the modern world fewer and fewer people want to become an auto mechanic and deal with the cramped impossible access issues, low pay in comparison to heavy duty mechanics, etc. so it becomes harder and harder to get service for complex issues in modern cars. Complicated solutions with many problems new off the showroom floor at very expensive prices on cars that only last a few years before they rust out and are scrap represent failed answers. If engineers and executives had to actually drive the crap they put out at a percentage of their income the regular guy has to pay to fix this junk I believe we would see rapid change. Bottom line is that cars today with all the complicated systems are way more expensive to operate, get the same fuel mileage that the 1960 era cars achieved, and last less time on the road. Add to that that when failures do occur they are almost always major expenses. It pays to remember the "KISS" maxim (Keep it simple, stupid). Complicated systems whether on Boeing jets or automobiles have a higher chance of failure especially when made of cheap plastics that self-destruct.
I can only agree with you Douglas, I don't like it either but it worked for me ( the procedure)... It is indeed a bad design, in general that 10 Speed is a piece of S...
Have a 2019 ranger, 134,000 miles. All Highway. Trans failed. Had it rebuilt, 2200 miles failed again. Back to shop it goes to get fixed, then getting rid of it.
Landcruisers ( Toyotas) never has these issues, probably never will either!
What a sad experience to have to throw away an entire car just because of this obnoxious 10R80 transmission!
This is all of my symptoms!!!
Tried it. Doesn't work unfortunately. Certainly not where I live in the UK anyway. You need a good couple of miles of uninterrupted flat road to get to 8th at 15% throttle and then on to 10th gear. And you're then at motorway speeds. Then you need to repeat several times. If you can do that without interest from the local constabulary, please tell me how... 😪
Please tell me you still have the defender?
Sold my green TD5, but have another special one waiting for restauration.... soon more
Well mine is a 2018 f150 2.7 but it has the 10 speed gear box as well. Same exact problem. Had the dealer clear the the adaptive learning tables. Fixed it. But now it's slowly coming back.
do a reset ... as I did...
3/30/24 12:30 pm
My transmission had to be replaced at 33 thousand miles.
So now, my 5 year 60k mile warranty has been decreased to approximately 2 years 27k miles.
It seems to me that Ford should give the original warranty if a warranty item was replaced due to failure.
Why would I not think I will only get 33k miles out of the replacement transmission.
It kinda makes me not want to keep my present truck nor ever buy another Ranger.
That TCM learning procedure that you have here, seems very complicated and if that is how you make a ten speed automatic shift very smoothly, then no, thank you. I like four speed, five speed, and six speed automatics and the only purpose of why I would want more gears is to cover more range of how powerful or how fuel efficient the car can get. Four speed automatics have been around for a long time and if it is not broke, do not try to fix it. Also, if you do not drive on the highway and you only drive on city streets, three speeds would be plenty for you.
I'm considering selling my '22 Ranger with 10spd because I hate the transmission and I don't think it will last 200k, heck, I don't think it will last 100k. Combine that with the turbo engine with fuel dilution issues. All this is making me think that if I sell it now, I might not lose too much money.
Get a hilux invincible!!! You won't be disappointed fella
high rev shifting can be also DPF regeneration, at least in mercedes it shifts at higher revs when that happens. Also any EGR sticking or problem effects the shifting alot. harsh downshifting and such. As for fords. Those dual clutch S-Max transmissions are a nightmare, they just fail totally really easily. Never buy those. Stick with real automatics, with turbine and clutches. Basicly every CVT is a nightmare, Also most DCT are bad. Most normal turbine transmissions are pretty good as they are most tested and used design so far. as for manual or automatic, someone said that German engineer knows more about shifting than you. So automatic is pretty good.
Thanks James, great text. One remark the Ranger has no longer a dual clutch... that was indeed not a great invention
Cold start is normal issue to all vehicle not just Ranger. Any car will experience cold start and that is not on the 10 speed transmission issue. Cold start most like the starter problem or battery nothing on transmission. We have 2007 model transmissiom we fix the starter and now no more cold start. The problem to all driver who drive on Automatic is the way they drive. When you drive in City push the accelerator slowly and it will change gear to low to higher gear Do not push and pull the accelerator. There are many gear inside the transmission. Now when u drive in highway push deep the accelerator and u can see the odometer go high speed and if reach to 80 to 100 kph release the accelerator and let the carl run. If the odometer is slowly down to 60 then its time to push the accelerator and if reach to 120 to 160 release again. That is the way your automatic car will last to 30 yrs without any problem. Another friendly advise to all automatic car owner when you park hit hard the brake and put to neutral and then park. If you hit the brake and put to park the vehicle will move backward and if you do that all the time your reverse transmission will damage the gear and it will not reverse. This is what I observed to all Automatic.
Summary:
All Automatic car. Do not push and pull the accerator. Push slowly to reach to 60kph if u drive in City. City speed max to 0 to 40 correct me if I am wrong. In freeway push deep accelerator if reach to 80 to 120 relase the accelerator let the car run. If u see the odometer slowly down speed and push again the accelerstor to reach to high speed 160kph and release again. Friendly advise to last forever without any problem. I say again do not push and pull the accelerator if u drive automatic car.😁😁😁😁😁 if manual no problem
Deze reactie van de dealer is de reden dat mijn vriend zijn Ford Ranger heeft teruggebracht naar de dealer. Hij is nu erg happy met zijn Volkswagen Amarok. Zelf heb ik ook de Ford overwogen omdat hij er goed uit ziet. Maar uiteindelijk is het vanwege de horrorverhalen over de service van de Ford dealer een Isuzu Dmax geworden, waar ik zeer tevreden over ben.
You made a good choice with the dmax, the ford ranger has not been reliable for a long time, the 2.2 diesel was probably the weakest engine in a truck I have driven…
Indeed , a good alternative.... I went for the Ford for the price I got and the 3500Kg allowed weight to pull
@@D3Sshooter you seem to have it figured out, with diesel fuel prices I had to sell my land cruiser…
@@D3Sshooter Isuzu is also 3500 kg.
Mine 2020 ford ranger sport diesel on a cold start or sometimes if it's shut off for 20 mins goes directly to S and sometimes shifts and sometimes don't shift but with within 5 to 10 mins it shifts itself over to D and as long as it is never turned off I never have a problem Lol
Crazy it's at 56000km also this it in Asia so it's never cold here
Ive requested a refund for my 2022 v6 ranger.
Constantly skips 2nd gear and applies the handbrake itself. They are telling me at the dealership that skipping 2nd is actually the design? Is this bullshit cos it sounds like it?
it is built into it, they also will skip 4th gear if under light acceleration. If you use the sport function it will use all the gears.
@oldbloke100 it shouldnt skip 2nd labouring up a hill. Just like it shouldnt skip it while going 15 km or when accelerating hard. Mines fucked
Really ridiculous and dangerous. Gears in the oil pump or gearbox will definitely break!
Here's the tragedy. Ford should have the gear box calibrated before the sale. The customer should not have to find a long road to spend 30 minutes speeding back and forth on. P.s. I've tried this, and even though it does improve the shifting, it's doesn't fix it completely. The erratic, harsh shifting is still there. It comes and goes. The truck is an absolute mess.
Cold start is normal issue to all vehicle not just Ranger. Any car will experience cold start and that is not on the 10 speed transmission issue. Cold start most like the starter problem or battery nothing on transmission. We have 2007 model transmissiom we fix the starter and now no more cold start. The problem to all driver who drive on Automatic is the way they drive. When you drive in City push the accelerator slowly and it will change gear to low to higher gear Do not push and pull the accelerator. There are many gear inside the transmission. Now when u drive in highway push deep the accelerator and u can see the odometer go high speed and if reach to 80 to 100 kph release the accelerator and let the carl run. If the odometer is slowly down to 60 then its time to push the accelerator and if reach to 120 to 160 release again. That is the way your automatic car will last to 30 yrs without any problem. Another friendly advise to all automatic car owner when you park hit hard the brake and put to neutral and then park. If you hit the brake and put to park the vehicle will move backward and if you do that all the time your reverse transmission will damage the gear and it will not reverse. This is what I observed to all Automatic.
Summary:
All Automatic car. Do not push and pull the accerator. Push slowly to reach to 60kph if u drive in City. City speed max to 0 to 40 correct me if I am wrong. In freeway push deep accelerator if reach to 80 to 120 relase the accelerator let the car run. If u see the odometer slowly down speed and push again the accelerstor to reach to high speed 160kph and release again. Friendly advise to last forever without any problem. I say again do not push and pull the accelerator if u drive automatic car.😁😁😁😁😁 if manual no problem
Thank you for your advice, it is very useful for those who drive an automatic car.
But you also need to know, I personally have used an automatic transmission since 2009 and have experienced 8 types of cars using this transmission. However, when it comes to the 10R80 gearbox, it is truly a disaster! I will improve my driving skills! Thank you very much!
10 speed... hurray another victory for the climate khmer
hahaha
Steve, maybe you should have kept the Rover.
That one is sold, but I do have another defender waiting for restauration and to keep
Hi , there is one simple solution where you wil never have this problem, we all know what it is.
Yes indeed, but that is no longer possible as they are no longer sold...
Who the hell doesn't let their car warm up for at least one minute anyways? No wonder these "cold starts" are happening to people. as in, they start their truck and then immediately put it in drive and then have issues.
I shouldn't have to teach my truck to run properly. On top of this, my battery has been replaced after 1 year. Now it won't hold a charge for more than two days. Have lost power as well. This truck is a pos. Most likely will trade soon. Maybe I got a lemon. Never had a vehicle this temperamental. My vehicle shouldn't need a therapist.
A manual transmission will always be better than any automatic.
Better in what way? Cheaper? Yes. Longer lasting? Maybe. By all other criteria? No.
@@michaelb7071 better fuel economy, easier to repair, easier to maintain, better driving experience, more control over the vehicle, more control over the engine and all other components, leading to less wear and tear overall.
@@jasonburguess Easier to repair and maintain, I'll give you those two. The remaining points are effectively invalid in modern automatics (I only own cars with manual transmissions BTW). A modern Toyota will easily do 600,000+km without problems caused by/related to the automatic transmission if the oil is changed every 200,000 km. At this level of reliability it becomes a moot point whether or not automatics are better or worse than manuals.
@@dquad if you gave me two identical cars, one manual and one automatic, and had me drive them the same distances, and then checked the fuel economy, the manual would beat out the automatic by a lot
@@jasonburguess Not anymore, the new systems are remarkably efficient with lock up torque converters. It's a simple fact that the 10 speed automatic has more opportunity to be in the correct gear for any given condition than a 5/6 speed manual transmission.
Of course theirs problems. It’s a Ford. Not to mention that they’re wayyy overpriced.
Yet somehow slushboxes from other manufacturers don't have to "learn" from your driving habits. How weird is that, huh?
indeed
Common sense folks. Dont drive this truck like you stole it unless you did. This is not a race car. Its a 2.3 litre 4 cylinder in a 4500 lbs vehicle.
I'll never ever buy a Ford. Toyota anytime.
Ford what do expect?
indeed