What Went Wrong? Ford Ranger Tear Down
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.พ. 2023
- Rocket Rod and Trevor dismantle a 6R80 6 Speed Ford Ranger and Mazda BT50 Automatic Transmission to find out What Went Wrong. They even go as far as to leak down test the valve body against a known good valve body from Wholesale Automatics.
If you own a Ford Ranger or Mazda BT50 then this is one episode you just can't miss! - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
I cannot even fathom the knowledge needed to put something like that back together.
That's why these guys are at the top of the league! Great upload again Rod and Co.
Lucky we have a great team of smart mechanics who know these boxes inside out!
Thus why it’s a dying breed.
@@WholesaleAutomaticswhen you get a car serviced the mechanic would never go this extent on a transmission is it worth getting your transmission serviced by a transmission specialist? And at what km reading would you recommend
My transmission just started playing up under load while towing when it got warm, so I decided to check online and came across this video. You guys really put it together well. Thank you for this informative video.
Glad we could help
As a ranger owner in NZ I very much appreciated the vid , I used an Auckland based auto Trans specialist guy to sort out the shudder in the gear box and he correctly identified the valve body as the problem , Inhave suggested he get in touch with you guys and sends over valve bodies for rebuilds , the cooler thermostat was an eye opener , might get him
To replace the existing one with your kit in order to get the system
To run cooler and thus save the valve body wear much appreciated
🤦🏻♂️ I’m old skool, so manual gearboxes are what I’m happy with, but this just does my head in so I won’t be playing with one of these any time soon. Great job thanks 👍🏿
Great breakdown and analysis. I would add that the ongoing mindset of using the torque converter clutch strategy of allowing slip instead of on-off full lockup ( to compensate for these smaller engines to move a big mass) adds miniscule converter clutch material floating through the valve block wearing like an abrasive and in some cases ruins and locks the pump bushing to the converter after blowing out the pump seal. Now add the magical lifetime fluid, and inadequate trans fluid cooling leads to failure imo.
You blokes are gold walking. Please stay in business be ause your knowledge and expertise is worth every cent. I will be ordering a cooler for my everest.
Had my PX2 ranger valve body replaced with the nomand.. nice sharp gear changes.. after watching this video I know I need the billet torque converter to make the ranger spot on. Great videos
I've absorbed every step, procedure, part and tests you guys conducted blissful in the knowledge I will never have to recall or do any of it - you guys do it so much better!
Cheers!
An absolutely "CLASS" episode guys!!! 👌
Love what you have done here, and how you've done it as well. Exceptionally informative, and downright detailed.
I own & drive an '18 model 3.2 Wildtrak, back here in South Africa, and honestly don't know of anyone who could and/or would be able to do such a high end re-build of this nature.
If ever (touch wood it doesn't) my box "goes" I might actually consider getting a fully refurbished, and cooled, unit in from you guys.
BTW, my car currently has 57k kms on the odo, as I also own & use other vehicles as well as a motorcycle or two, on a "rotational" basis.
Thanks HoodyR6 and greatly appreciated.
I'm impressed with the amount of engineering that goes into these boxes, & also impressed with your mechanical skills & knowledge. Love these videos.
Thank you very much!
Very happy with our rebuilt transmission from you guys, hoping to have a good run with it now. Cheers, Dave and Fiona, Maitland NSW
As a young lad looking to buy his first car I questioned why there was a $2K premium for an auto. Now I can see why. Thanks for making this video, showing the faults and recommendations.
Awesome walkthrough. Thanks heaps lads. 👌
Good Stuff Guys!. Love the way you articulate your thoughts around causes and solutions. I can appreciate your trans cooler recommendations through your informative video. Great work. Cheers.
What an awesome video. Thanks gents.
Love these tear down type vids. Triton, Hilux, Navara boxes etc would be awesome to see broken down.
I heard about the rangers automatic transmission failed alot & going into alot of mechanic workshops alot but your video is absolutely awesome looks like you guys have done hundreds of ford ranger transmissions keep up the good work guys 👍
Well explained and educational for Ranger and BT-50 owners with and without transmission problems.
Absolutely loved it boys, and I'm a manual guy. Please follow-up with eps on all of the mainstream 4wd autos, love ur work.
love these videos - so interesting about how much goes into a transmission/how much can go wrong
Gday, I throughly enjoy these videos and good to see another member of the team, I always enjoy learning something new and your videos are really informative, thanks for taking the time to educate us all, cheers
Awesome, thank you!
Cheers guys for putting up a 6R80 tear down, do plenty of valve body replacements across the 6 Speed and 10 Speed Ford boxes.
So good to see a tear down of one of these auto’s and glad the internals are generally reliable. I have already fitted one of your coolers and a thermo bypass valve to my PXII Ranger and also a B & M filler tube/dip stick so I can the fluid regularly.
Great video Rocket, love these informative sessions, keep them coming.
Thanks, will do!
love seeing the breakdown videos
Thank you for the very informative video gentlemen. As someone who has the 3.2l Ford auto I am heard of the gremlins and its great to see 99% of the issues are an easy-ish fix when they do start. Always a pleasure watching the in-depth videos you guys do 👍👍
Our pleasure!
Recently my Ford XLT150 had undergone that Operation 😅 started with jerking and Chocking of the Transmission gear between 3 and 4 knowingly the process was just amazing to know Engineering was something to Respect
Well done Rocket and Trev,you will save a lot of money for the Ranger and BT50 family's out there, and save a few from getting ripped off.
Within a few weeks of picking up my ranger I spoke to several transmission specialist including you guys to get some advice as I wasn't fully convinced by ford telling me i didn't need to get my trans serviced until 150 000 and got a cooler fitted and the thermal bypass valve changed and it gets serviced every 20000 it's nice to know that most of the issues are to do with valve body
Great video. I had a PK and took it back to Ford 3 times during the warranty period due to intermittent faults. After the warranty expired it got worse, Ford said " you have metal in your transmission". I got it fixed and sold it and bought a manual.
I really like the teardown videos. Thanks for sharing 👍🏻👍🏻🙃🙃
Glad you like them Mat!
Great video, more of this guys!
Well done lads, very interesting TA
Thanks guys great description of the failures
Cheers
Glad you enjoyed it Lian
Worked/Trained with Trev at Swinburne Uni on Stud Rd... His a good egg... Cool video guys... Top Notch 👍👍👌👌
Love technical videos like this. Keep it up!
I think having more lighting in these hands on, working with smaller parts videos would be beneficial. I'm squinting in curiosity to try and see the smaller parts but am unable to make them out!
I just want to say thank you for going through this 6r80 gearbox tear down. I've got a 2014 bt50 that's on its 2nd auto, the first was replaced under warranty. The second box hasn't really run right for a long time, so I decided to drop the plan, replace oil and filter. I did notice small metal chunks which I reckon was from the old box as they probably reused the old converter. Regardless once I changed the oil and filter i noticed when I put oil back in the box it took 2.5L more oil than what came out! The bastards under Filled the second box which I reckon has damaged the valve body as its still shifting a bit crap, especially when cold. I used a vacuum pump to draw out the fluid which is how I know exactly how much oil came out. Anyway, I might come and visit your shop some day to see if a valve body upgrade is the way to go for what i want out of the box.
I may be wrong but there would still be fluid in the torque converter, that's where your missing 2.5L is sitting... I usually measure the oil output and refill the amount I took out. 2.5L low in fluid that gearbox would hardly be working. :)
Great video, well done.
Thank you very much!
Another great vid. You just don't see this level of detail in many places. Really good to see the valve body. I have the nomad valve body in one of my vehicles and can recommend them if you tow anything. Keep up the great work. Audio a bit low. Cheers.
What was the cost?
Loved the video, its has given us knowledge on what to look for. You provide a great service and product.
Our pleasure!
Our pleasure!
Thanks for the video. I found it so informative. Amazing. Thankyou. Bravo from Victoria Australia
Glad you enjoyed it!
Wow!
I love the way you even got me a carpenter to understand how automatic transmission works.....
I myshelf am looking for a nice T6 platform-based 3,2 Ford Ranger Wildtrek with automatic transmission, and wasn't it because I live in Poland in Europe you live on the other side of our planet in Melbourne I would get my truck serviced at your place...
Keep up the great videos.....Cheers mate!
Awesome information guys 🍻
Thanks for watching!
Thank you for the informative video guys, much appreciated.
Our pleasure!
Interesting to see behind the scene of a valve body upgrade and trans internals , you guys did mine last week and a cooler and very happy . Isuzu .
Great info guys keep them coming.
Thanks! Will do!
Wow, so complicated. You guys are geniuses.
Glad you liked it Shane
Transmissions are scary to me , thank God for men like you guys to get us chickens back on the trail... 😎👍
The first fluid and filter change should be at 15k, then every 30k after that. It is the clutch and steel debris in the oil that acts as a lapping compound wearing the aluminum valve body out. Didn't have that problem much with the old steel valve bodies because steel is harder than the aluminum being used these days.
Great video. Most of it's over my head but I get the basic idea. Cheers.
Hey great video again. Would you mind explaining sometime how the valves work? You mentioned how the landings were an issue, can you show more please? Cheers
I think the torque converter plate has sheered off my 2016 ranger, like in the start of the video. It made a bang and shut down. Now the engine starts fine but has a loud metallic clanging in bellhousing, no gears at all.
Great video and explanation guy’s
Thanks! 👍
Glad you guys know what your doing, looks like a thousand piece whit jigsaw to me
Cheers
Mate riveting stuff to watch guys. Pretty impressed with your knowledge on this transmission. We got a px mk2 at home....transmission cooler n bypass now on the mod list. Love these vids keep them coming
Cheers from 2 West Aussies in Saudi.
Great to hear!
But what was NOT very riveting, was the plate on the front of the torque converter. See what I did there..........
Cheers guys. Good video.
Glad you enjoyed it
Great video, informative and interesting. Thanks
Glad you enjoyed it!
This is why u guys are at top of the tree great video guys
Very informative, thank you
Nice work thanks for the info
Top video.
Your trans cooler and bypass valve getting fitted tomorrow.
320,000 on my BT50. Most of those towing.
❤gents, fantastic video, I don’t have a ranger but have many customers who do abs that video will really help me advise my customers and when needed, send them your way. Cheers, Matt @ HPF.
I've got a PX3 for a work car and notice that if I leave it sitting for a few days that it doesn't want to drive without giving it a heavy right boot! Great vid fellas
Drue, give Trev a call on 03-97628004 and he will be able to ask all the questions and get you on track.
Great video, guys. Very informative. I own a 2007 Ford Ranger PJ with a manual gearbox, and I have an issue with 5th gear, which pops out when I I put it into 5th and I throttle on. Keep up the good work
Have you changed the clutch to a single mass flywheel mate ?
There's a kit out there that fixes this problem
If or when you get this fixed get the gearbox mechanic to replace 1st gear also. I got the 5th gear upgrade on my pj, 6 months later found out that 1st is also common to pop out. It’s not as big a problem as 5th because you don’t sit in 1st very often, but it still will catch you out in traffic or low speed driving when sitting in 1st. 👍
Good video thanks. Its a very specialized job and your experience makes all the difference. I would enjoy the satisfaction of rebuilding and adding a few upgrades to make a better box than the factory. Much as I would love to give it a go, this is a job for the pros with the experience and the skill and the tools.
I personally would avoid Rangers like the plague but the epicyclic gearset was impressively heavy duty. and the gearbox as a whole looks up to the job of handling heavy duty without too much strain.
I agree 100% about the oil temp killing the oil and then the lifetime is finished. My Commodore had an external oil cooler and the oil never got dark even when I was a bit naughty and didn't change the fluid as regularly as I should. Manufacturers try all sorts of things to eke out a bit of extra fuel economy with thinner oils being one of their tools even if it is not the best for a long happy life. In the end just keeping fluid temps down and changing the oil occasionally is a no brainer vs the $$ of trans failure
On the subject of the solenoid calibration, I am pretty sure that electronic diesel injectors are calibrated and when replaced, the correction has to be put in the ECU for pretty much the same reason.
I also noticed the valve body didn't have lots of ball check valves like the older designs where it was critical to put them all back in exactly the right place or the transmission would malfunction requiring another teardown. Maybe something has got "simpler"?
The flexplate design has obviously been "improved" for cheaper production rather than improved engineering.
Great vid, good work
Glad you enjoyed it
Thankyou very much, very informative. Would love you to explain further as to how the gearbox works. I was expecting something closer to a manual gearbox with selectors. I can’t fathom how this works.
Great video lads
Glad you enjoyed it
im glad you know what your doing . i wouldnt have a clue. great video thanks.
Thanks for watching Gary!
Awesome video, so much knowledge shared, can you do an A750 based transmission next, it's popular used in Prado, LandCruiser, Pajero, Dmax etc
Great video.
Glad you enjoyed it
Great video...
Glad you enjoyed it
the cooler bypass will also save that leadframe, the plastic gets destroyed from high heat, we run a fleet of F150"s and a few years ago we installed a cooler bypass, larger coolers and removed the lines from the radiator, all our problems went away, we are in California so it is a warm climate, our 6r80's run at 140f
This was so good and thorough how a transmission is actually broken down. I haveba 2010 pk and at transmission shop, get new torque converter. 2nd to 3rd gear revs and thumps....
Thanks for information
Thanks for sharing, I've got a 2007 BT-50 auto with no reverse!
Doesn't sond good at all Scott but give Trev a call on 03-97628004 to discuss.
Great video and relevant to me with a PX1 Wildtrak. I read many posts in forums rubbishing the Ranger/BT-50 gearboxes but it seems your experience and this video shows that on the whole they are not that badly constructed (aside from the parts you have mentioned).
My Wildtrak is approaching 180K kms and doesn't do much towing at all but does frequent 4WD trips (High Country mostly and not seriously hard core). The only trans work that has been needed is to replace the trans fluid as it was tested and found to have a small amount of water present. Even doing that had a noticeable change in how smooth the trans operated.
I was also advised that adding an aftermarket trans cooler with my use cases would not be good value for money... however I am now wondering if spending a grand on a cooler and bypass setup might fend off the need to spend a lot more later on.
Ford Service told me that the slightly rough gear changes when the car is cold is due to the trans fluid not yet being up to operating temp and once it warms up it becomes smoother.. something I would agree with.
If a trans cooler is fitted, does the trans fluid being used also get changed ? I only ask because I was reading somewhere that the OEM fluid is rated to operate at approx 80 degrees, which is pretty much where my engine sits under most normal conditions.
Besides regularly (what is regular for this by the way ?) changing the trans oil, are there any other things that should be done to keep the Ranger transmission in good nick ?
Chris, my advise is Nomad Valve Body that comes with the thermal bypass valve and you will end up with a fully serviced transmission including new oil filter and pan gask and the oil cooler.
@@WholesaleAutomatics after showing me that flex plate I will stick to my C6 auto
It only takes one crap part to build a bad reputation even if the rest is up to the job. Fords still have a reputation for weak front ends thanks to the original falcon even though it was quickly fixed. Still wouldn't touch a Ranger though.
Awesome video keep it up...
Thanks, will do!
Please do a ranger 10R80 transmission common problems and fixes?
Very good Vid guys
Excellent video. I reckon vaccuum test is performed dry (valve body and valve cleaned and degreased)? I tore down a handful of 30yr old ZF 4HP18 transmissions and I am intending to rebuild them as a beginner.
Loved every bit of the video and I must say I have learned alot from this... Having a gear drop on a BT50 not all the time but comes one of, did a diagnostic scan and resulted in vehicle speed sensor out of testing range and one on output shaft sensor so i think its a faulty lead frame. Cleaned all the solinodes and all work fine, but if you or anyone can give tips would be greatly appreciated thanks big fan of your channel from 🇵🇬
Glad you enjoyed it! and yes a lead frame is what you are after.
TOP MAN ....Best explanation on TH-cam. !...and I love the wee spunky bird , I bet she's a little Tasmanian devil in the dark 🥴😘🏴
Great video looks like a happy workplace. Would put a cooler on my new bt50 isuzu engine but if anything went wrong then no warranty
Awesome video guys thank you very comprehensive and helpful. Could I ask I have a 2013 Ranger which is making a metallic/ ringing noise in reverse and drive. Could this potentially be the separation of the flex plate to the converter issue?
Hi Rocket.. love your Videos. It was great to see in detail what is involved in these repairs... I have a Y62 that I just purchased and Nissan said it doesn't need an auto service ever. Its done 150 thousand klms. Do you think you can make a video of you guys servicing my Transmission and showing everyone why they shouldn't believe the huge Auto manufacturers life time claims?
Oil is a lot cheaper than rebuilds. I would service it earlier rather than later.
I have a 2012 Kia Sportage with 140k on it. Apparently this is the mileage to service the trans if it has had heavy duty use such as city driving or towing which my car had not. I changed the fluid which was looked about the same as the oil out of the dead trans in the video and replaced it with Penrite LV ATF ( SP4 spec). Not too hard a job but it does seem to be smoother shifting and 10 years is plenty even for a full synthetic oil regardless of the manufacturers ideas IMHO.
Got a 2015 ranger, just starting to have a few issues at 170+ that was an awesome tutorial. Not found anyone in Seq, who is keen to play
A jigsaw puzzle has to be easier to put together than all those parts.
Would love to have known the symptoms reported before stripdown.
My BT50 was 5 years old and would slam into 3 gear. I had it rebuilt under warranty.
The problem was fixed. I was never told the problem
Did you ever figure out what happened. Mine is doing the same thing now
Very interesting. My 2012 3.2 4 x4 auto Wildtrak has done 296 000 km. Never had a problem with the gearbox. The gearbox oil has never been change. Ford stated the gearbox oil is a "livetime oil", no mention of how long the livetime is. Loved your video, only probleam, is the sound volume is low, a specialy when you turn your heads away from the microphone. Much easier than a gearbix to fix. Great going guys.
Lifetime oil = till the oil dies and subsequent lubrication failure kills the transmission.
thank you
so very interesting
so much information
God bless you all
Glad you enjoyed it
Good info
Rod just a tip. When you mention something like the torque converter plate on a Ford you should tell people how it is done correctly by Toyota. The plate on a Hilux is bolted on firmly not held on with little rivets. The diff and most other things on a Ranger are weak. Every part of the Ranger fails as you said.
Thanks for the great video. I just missed the part where you remove the filter. I have experienced that the filter isn't held in very securely so I don't know how it would stay in place with your "upgraded" oil pan because it seems that the original oil pan is the only thing stopping the filter from dropping out of the valve body.
The deep cast pans have raised posts mouled into the pan that holds filter up into place.
When a customer rings and says the word '6R80' you guys must get a cold shiver. These boxes are the biggest pieces of shit ever made
As long as you put a cooler and thermal bypass in many of the problems just don't occur.
i replaced my lead frame after work one night after watching how to do it on youtube, fixed the downshifting to second gear on the freeway at speed issue.
Awesome video guys I can't wait for the 20th match to get my car in for one of you extreme plus rebuilds on a 6R08 with your twin cooler setup it would be interesting to see what a 320000k looks like on the inside 👍
Sounds great!
Ranger is a tough work horse of a truck. The auto trans are a week point. Auto trans are great until they don't work. Then they are a pain in that rear part.
Just like the Hillman Super-Minx auto. This one was a '63 version.
Lost drive, because the lugs on the back of the so-called flex-plate snapped or wore off.
It was some kind of Borg-Warner trans.
Unsure what I did with it.
May have tried changing it to a manual, or possibly repowerd it with a 1725 manual setup, taken from a later model that got crushed when a house was demolished on top of it - it had sat, unnoticed in the garage.
Anyway, hard-case to see a similar fault reappearing some 60 years later...
Great video fellas. I service my gearbox every 40k. Putting the cooler on at 100k
Nice work!
That was great 👍 any DCT BMW stuff that you come across??