To clarify: I'm as much of a Porsche GT lover as I am a Honda RWD lover. I ranked a stock (modded exhaust) 997.1 GT3 quite a bit higher than even this expertly modified S2K. In fact, 5 of my top 6 cars in my ranking spreadsheet are Porsche GT (997/991) cars. Maybe it's due to the way this 996.2 is set up (PSS tires, barely any camber, Moton shocks that didn't soak up bumps nearly as well as the JRZ) and/or inherent qualities of the platform, but the 997's I've driven are vastly better from a driving dynamics perspective, in my view. That said, I am definitely more accustomed to FR handling characteristics over RR, so I won't claim that there's zero bias in my perspective, but a lot less than some comments are implying.
Most of the upset people seem to be forgetting you owned/tracked a couple Porsches too huh? LOL But anyways, yeah it does sound like the setup, especially the tires, were probably not optimal on the 996 in this comparison based on your driving feedback (especially the understeer in and out bit)
@@FCustureri i don't think there is anything wrong with the tires, on throttle understeer (or understeer in general) is normal with RR cars, the new 992 GT3 kinda solved it with double wishbones in the front (finally, what was Porsche doing all day) but you have to drive those cars much differently (hard on the break, trailbreaking, slower corner entry speed) but you can also go on the throttle much earlier than FR cars but the limits of a RR car cannot be tested on public roads really. It's not so easy to "feel" the limits like in a BMW
I agree with everything you said - PCA racers rave about the feel of 996 gt3 compared to all other gens, but say setup is fickle, and I'm unsure if that is ever translatable to real life roads.
@@CarYenta-1 it is very much translatable. But the 996 cup has 1480 and 1380 lb spring rates front and rear. With such a narrow spread the car is beautifully balanced and does not power on understeer at all. Set up is not that difficult but the window is admittedly much smaller with the 996 than the later platforms, which means find a compromise between road and track is quite difficult to find. A good driver will find the limit of the compromised set up quite quickly.
Japanese engineering far Superior inside and out I wouldn’t take that ugly a** Porsche with dated interior even if get it for free..like u said egg shaped .
Really appreciate this type of comparison. I’m always curious where different cars fit in relation to each other. Appreciated how you tried to describe the full driving dynamics, not just sound, steering and transmission feel. Love to see more of this!
I have an AP2 s2k and a 997.2 GT3. I honestly prefers the s2k on the road at everyday speed, and I also find myself driving the ski a lot more for various reasons. But if I am asked to only keep one car there is no contest. The Porsche for sure. Every time I get behind the wheel of that car it feels like a special event.
You need to brake in the 911 much later and more aggressive to get the front end to bite and turn. For an average driver a front engine layout is of course going to be much easier to drive quickly without knowing the limits.
@@sklyrovka not really, the only advantage the GT3 has is power. Those generations of GT3's werent as good as the last 3 gens. Even a M3 CSL could keep up with a GT3. A well tuned S2000 can easily do the same unless the road/track is very power dependent
@@binskee677lmao at the modified car vs stock car discussion. M3 CSL was 7s off the 996 ring time, not that close. S2000 almost an entire minute slower.
Dollar for dollar, the S2000 was (and remains) one of the all-time-great 2-seat roadsters. There are low-production, expensive cars which are better. But what mass-produced, moderately-priced roadster was ever better? Any Porsche 911 is a special car, but none was ever inexpensvie.
Great review, completely agree with your assessment. 996 GT3 doesn't neutralize the drawbacks of RR platform anywhere close to as nearly as much as the 997 GT3. That S2K was also immaculately tuned by Erik
Although both cars have been modified, I believe your overall evaluation is accurate. For those not familiar with driving an S2K, it can be difficult to fully understand all the rave about the S2K. It's not so much about 0-60, or driving the car at it's top limits. It's about the great feel you get at moderate speeds, especially on mountain roads. Precise steering, snick shifting and good acceleration it is all there. Sorry Porsche, BMW, and Nissan
Another excellent video. Always enjoy your insight. Contemporary reviews of the 996.2 GT3 agreed they’re a challenge to drive - have to set it up to get front grip. Meant to be one of those cars that’s a challenge but when you get it right, very rewarding
Your videos really put me in mind of those Best Motoring videos we all grew up watching. Lots of tastefully modded cars. I know it's a PITA, but a pedal cam would be a very cool addition. You're really showcasing some amazing vehicles and you're cataloging important parts of automotive history.
This is a tough one to choose, which one of them I would like more. I think they are both very great cars. I would choose the 996 because it is faster, and it sounds a little bit better.
The S2000 is one of the greatest driver’s cars of all time. The current market prices are absolutely worth it. I’ve had mine for 16 years - driven A LOT of other cars over that time - and will never sell it. It’s sublime.
if anyone is watching and near OKC I've got an ap2 diff with a cusco lsd for sale. although every time I watch a zygrene video I somewhat miss my s2000
That GT3 is the epitome of learning how to drive and respect an older 911 and how dynamically different a rear engine car is compared to front engines. It's all about where the weight is. 911's require Patience on corner entry because the front is light and will want to push, but then aggressive on corner exit with all the weight and grip in the back. It's reverse driving style with front engines. Weight being over front wheels you can be more aggressive on corner entry, but then patient on throttle corner exit with the rear end being light.. This is also a good example of why some cars tuned for the smooth surface of a track, can not be trusted on bumpy canyon roads. Had the roads been smooth, I think your assessment would have been way more favorable to the GT3, but in this comparison, I agree with you, it was just not a good road to exploit the GT3 and it's tall gearing. A better, smoother road to stretch it's legs would have been more enjoyable in the GT3.
@@apolloandratti7922 Still do! Have owned the 997.1 13 years now and the 987 10 years. I have driven the newer Porsches too, and although they have improved and are faster, I just like the simplicity of the older cars. They are still that good, especially with a few mods to make them a bit more special. 👍
@@qikqbn77 That's great to hear. I love the 997. Don't know if you ever met Zygrene (Fenton), but I think you both would hit if off well. Maybe he will get to see your 997.
@@apolloandratti7922 I kind on "met" Zygrene/Fenton on Rennlist through a series of posts he did when struggling with his 997.1 and the jerky throttle issues he experienced with that car. Then I started following his channel to see his progress on solving that issue. It's too bad that car left a poor ownership experience for him, but I do appreciate his insights in driving other cars. I admit I am a bit envious of how he has gotten to drive so many other peoples Porsches. Especially the many different generations of GT3's. That is a very rare thing to experience, even for long term Porsche owners. I think he is doing a great job with the channel and hope it continues to grow for him. 👍
Its about the experience, the way the car drives and how they make you feel. The S2K gives you the 6-Figure sports car experience for a fraction of the price, and typically, significantly more reliability. S2K for the win!!
I have driven a 996 and 997 GT3 around the track, (both were pretty close to stock) and the 996 is my favorite car I have ever driven on track. The 996 might not have as good driving dynamics, but the way it plays, I found spectacular. It dances and pivots spectacularly and towing the line between understeer/oversteer using the throttle around a corner was incredibly rewarding. The 997 felt a lot more planted and I actually found it wanted to understeer more.
Definitely want to see more odd ball comparisons. It's an interesting and enlightening take on uncovering the nuances of each car as they're likely to stand out more against unusual company. Also it was great to see the 996.2, even if it looked like a frustrating death trap on that road. I read that the 996.2 GT3 was already too stiff and for bumpy roads from the factory so the suspension on this one probably works great on track but looks very sub optimal for the road. One thing that is supposed to be a dynamic weakness of the S2000 is the electric steering. An early system (like the NSX's) with little feedback and weird feeling. How does this stack up? Or are these track builds ditching the electric assistance for better feel? Also, please don't let immature butt hurt fanboys in the comment section influence your future content. I didn't seen anything in this review that resembled you attempting to say that the S2000 is fundamentally a better drivers car than a 911 GT3 which is how some people are reacting. You're reviewing modified vehicles, on a specific piece of road, and just describing what you feel and how they respond and in that specific situation. It's a really interesting thing that most of us won't get the opportunity to do, so please keep content like this coming. Good work :)
Bought the grand prix white s2k in 2001 when first came out. Love that thing. Felt like a go cart when I first drove it. Was my everyday driver for 6 years. Now have a 991.1 Carrera S weekend car. Can't beat that rear engine and PSE exhaust noise.
True, but It's relatively inexpensive to change the gearing in a Honda, but cost prohibitive to do so in a Porsche. A shorter gear set for my Cayman is $8K, not including labor. That's Porsche tax for you.
How about I show some love for you driving more s2000s! I know you are sick of reviewing them but your smiles and attitude say it all each time you rip that f22 VTEC! Yo!😂
I always tell people, I was very surprised sitting in the 996 turbo to find the Honda had a nicer interior, better shifter, and overall better steering feel. The engine of course in the Porsche was phenomenal. But it’s hard to argue the s2000 isn’t a competitor.
Porsche was in big financial trouble at the time, so Toyota stepped in and helped them with the 996 interior design. I agree, the S2000 has a cooler cabin, but I don't think the 996's interior is nearly as bad as everyone says, way overblown. I think it's a very nice place to be, I prefer it to the 997.
Keep the "unusual" comparisons coming! You exhibit interesting cars on interesting roads that spark interesting conversations! My experience, RR has to be enjoyed on a racetrack more so than on the street since it doesn't have "playful" limit balance and has to be driven hard to come alive. Maybe try an air-cooled 911 with skinny tires?! This 996 needs some setup work for sure, especially for that road. As you know RR does require a different driving style entirely to FR or MR. Brake later (rear weight is better for braking), light trail brake/throttle lift (depending on setup) to keep weight on the nose, later apex, hard throttle earlier for exit with allll that rear traction. It takes time to re-map your rhythm for an RR and it won't behave well if you drive it like anything else. Porsche has changed the RR game significantly though with lots of extra front track width from the 991 RS and now all 992s. No doubt the S2K is an all-time great, but variety makes cars fun! Personally would like to see more dialed-in ND2s and NC2/3s for comparison if you can find them!
Thanks for this comparison. I've had my s2k for 12+ years - it's heavily track modified, but still driven to and from events. The 996 gt3 has been a dream car for me, and this was an eye opening comparison, albeit slightly biased (but still good). Wish the gt3 was on better more modern rubber - super sports were discontinued a long time ago, and even in their prime werent a top street/track tire. I think that was the only thing missing from making this apples to apples. Still an excellent comparison review, thanks for putting it together 👍.
interesting comparison. please take the time to adjust the dampers for the road as it would be a prudent and more accurate comparison with a few minutes to tune these for your particular road surface. Unless the alignment has changed, the front camber is at 3 and the rear is at 2.7...plenty of camber, ideally suited for the track, particularly when running on hoosiers (235 front, 315 rears). further, front sway bar is on soft setting, rear is in the middle. Lots of thoughtful and meaningful input from experienced drivers, best advice is mentioned numerous times on learning to respect and properly drive a rear engine race developed Porsche; brake, turn-in, squeeze the throttle and unwind the wheel....................... keep up the interesting comparisons
Cool review. Although, by the look of the ride height and the way the wheels are sitting in the fenders of that 996 GT3, it doesn’t look like a track set up. The correct alignment is imperative to the way these cars handle. They need rake and a lot of camber to get them to their full potential. Night and day to a stock-ish alignment, even with a track focused suspension.
I don’t know how the moton is setup in the gt3, but for any 996 I have drove with coil over, 99% is not dialed in correctly for the street. It’s either a street setup or road course, there is no between setup as their window of specifications is too small. For canyon roads, a stock suspension gt3 will be almost always better by significantly chance since no one dialed coilover correctly most of time
@@Zygrene imho 996 is still more somewhat more similar to those air cooled philosophy and retain a lot more of the rear engine weight characteristics since this is Porsche first time doing water cooled engine. They didn’t have all the budget to modernize and dial out rr driving characteristics yet. 997 even it’s the same general platform but those subframe pick up point and control arms all be revised to neuter the widow maker tendencies so it’s easier to drive like a normal fr car. I guess spend enough money one can dial the 996 like 997 by changing whole bunch stuff but what the point at that just buy 997 gt3 at that point, or even 991.1 since might be cheaper
I feel like with all the parts thrown at the 996 it doesn't seem setup well at all. Does the owner know who decided to spec the rates and valving for the Motons? I know it's a track setup, but I would think with a motorsport coilover you would see a little better management over the bumps even on the mountains. My JRZs you reviewed in the M3 video didn't behave anywhere near the same. I wonder if a big part of this is suspension tuners for the 996 when it was first developed were mostly prevalent in Europe where their circuits are significantly different than ours here with much better pavement. The other biggest issue I see in the GT3 is the alignment, as you mentioned in one of the comments it is setup at -1.5 F. My GT3 is on bone stock alignment and even with RWS I get an absurd amount of understeer on track. Without dynamic camber adjustment in the front and no RWS the 996 is falling flat. The car absolutely needs -2.5 or so up front.
100% agree. Those are not track or even fast road settings for a 996 GT3. Camber needs to be closer to -3 (or ideally even more) up front, with some rake added for the front end to come alive.
Owned both before, both are fantastic cars, and both have flaws. I’d say e46m3 is more usable (because of the size), but the s2k is a more special car as a toy
Looks like the front of the GT3 is way too firm. Mine has Moton and 2.3/2.1 front rear cambers and it drives like a tarmac rally car on the road (and still good on track)
How do we get in touch for a skyline drive one of these days? You can review the new ride if you want. Should be ready in a week or two. (plus track days at Sonoma soon if weather is nice)
When it comes to measuring dynamics and "feel" this was not an oddball comparison. Both cars are rwd, light, rev over 8k, and have soul... I had a 996 C2 as a track/street car for 3 years and although it's not a GT3 what you say about the front end is true. You have to brake hard INTO the corner and demand the axle to grip. That driving style of hard late braking is what made my transition into my AP1 seamless. I brake the same way on track but just later as there's less mass to slow down. Both cars are sub-3,000 pound momentum cars. I would wager they cover the same ground at equal pace. The 996 has the torque, where the s2000 will almost always have a slightly higher minimum apex speed. That may make the s2000 feel faster but Porsche magic is why it's still worth 3x more. Nice vid
Before I bought a Porsche, I had a quick drive in a friend's 996 at the point when I owned an S2000. The 996 had a notable push on turn-in, where the Honda was pretty neutral. Trail braking probably would have cured the push but that wasn't a thing on a road in a city. I wonder if that is a trait Porsche dialed into the basic setup for 996s. I wound up with a 987 Boxster; none of the ones I tested or my current car have anything like the push that 996 had. On the steering feel, did the owner say anything about the caster or camber settings on the car? That could be a factor that would be readily changed. Based on the suspension being so stiff with standard street tires, the owner of that 996 may have made some very unusual choices in setting up that car.
@@Zygrene Reducing front camber will have an effect on turn-in. The other thing is that if that the owner lowered the car with the shock change, that could mess with suspension settings. Your impression of the car isn't the way a 996 GT3 should behave. Something probably wasn't right with that car.
The 996 especially has an inherent understeer characteristic due to the weight distribution (37/63) and subsequently light front end. Each successive 911 has dialled it out a bit by adding size/trackwidth and a little mass to the front end but not so much as to remove the 911 'ness. The 987 by comparison has a much more balanced weight distribution (46/54) due to the engine placement which means less understeer (but also slightly less rear traction).
@@z32luvr wrong. This is not a level playing field as that 996 is far from set up correctly. These GT3s were literally a race car with suspension settings dialed back to accommodate the general in-experienced driver. That GT3 would leave the S2000 for dead with the right tyres and a track alignment.
I wonder if you'd say the same about turning while heavy on the throttle in a 4, C4S, or Turbo. I don't experience this in my C4S, just grip for days. Also I don't know how fair it is to say the s2k has a more favorable grip situation. It makes around half the power, of course it does.
Not knocking the review or video but not one ☝️ person on earth 🌍 every complained about a gt3’s steering till the 992 came out with double wishbone front suspension. Check every gt3 generations reviews and they all raved about the car, it’s feel, and handling. Hell, I can’t remember one car ever besting a gt3 in a head to head review or shootout and every other car had double wishbone front suspension
@@z32luvr really…. Stock s2k lined up against any year stock gt3…. Not even fair and there’s a reason no one ever did the comparison 😂🤣😂 (s2k is a nice car but let’s not go talking crazy here)
I know your à diehard s2000 guy but cut the bull …. Y did you go out and get Porsches in your garage now because it’s the best and always been the best… and Honda is à pesant car like vw….like you said in the beginning of video you can’t compare insult to Porsche 911 a racing legend that won more races then any other car and world speed records more then any other car……
@@petert7807 The obvious criticism with the S2000 is the electric steering vs the hydraulic on the Cayman. If Honda had stuck with hydro for a little longer the S2000 might just have been perfect!
You’re driving a platform (S2K) you know well and prefer, on the type of roads that allow the same platform to shine. It seems like this 996 GT3 and the 5th gen Viper (from a prior review) are somewhat disadvantaged as they do not reflect the driving style that you’re accustomed to, driving on the roads that do not allow them to show their respective strengths. I do enjoy your overall content as your enthusiasm for driver’s cars are evident, but these comparison videos provide viewers a skewed perspective.
not necessarly, driving the cars on the exact same road and comparing it to a car he very well knows might be a very good way to compare how other cars stand on that road and to have a benchmark. As most of the owners drive those cars on winding roads, not always on tracks, it also gives a good impression of that.
@@francisgomes9976 hahaha don't know what to say so you get racist. Shows how smart you are buddy. Looks like you do understand what I was saying cause you butt hurt. Sorry no lube.
@@asianyangster916 "shows how smart you are" says the little slanty eyes boy, who replied "butt hurt, no lube" is that how a smart person start any conversation? So I'm speaking your langue yellow monkey "ching chang chong" 😂😂
Calling a highly modified S2K a car that is only 1/3 the cost of a GT3 is Slightly disingenuous. You have to acct for all of the aftermarket mods and labor. Odd comparison, as are many “my modded Japanese car is ‘better’ than your stock higher priced car”. Well played 👏 it’s about the 1 billionth time it’s been done
Another one of your heavily modded vs pretty much stock comparisons 🤭. The Porsche is on old summer tires and the s2k is on race tires. Already an invalid comparison.....
Semi sliks are definitly not an advantage on a twisty road, you can't really get them warn unless it's very very hot outside and will only slide around
@@porschenut9 define good haha and with warm i mean 20+ degrees celcius. Once you get them warm on the road you're stuck behind traffic and then they're cold again. I drive the Michelin Cup2's on the S2000
@@binskee677 a 20+ celcius, a “cold” r compound will still have way more grip than a PSS. Slowing down for traffic momentarily should not be enough to expose the operating temperature of the tyre, especially on public roads where it’s near impossible to find the limit of such a tyre without risking big.
@@porschenut9 yea totally agree 20+ celcius it's fine, but it's much harder to reach the operating temp without driving like a hoonigan and i don't mean stopping for traffic i mean getting stuck behind a very slow car without the opportunity to overtake on some twisty roads. I live in Switzerland our mountain roads are much narrower and tighter than in the US, it's not rare that you don't have a safe spot to overtake for a couple of kilometers, especially with a car which is not very fast on the straights. IMO a UHP tires like a Micheline Pilot Sport 4s or the older Super Sport is better for some B road driving and also safer as some places will have some wet spots on the road and sudden rainfall won't be an issue. Maybe i'm just driving to slowly haha but i doubt that
Too bad the s2k isn’t made for drifting. It has the ingredients (FR) yeah it can be tail happy and oversteer here and there but it’s just not built for drift.
Technically it's a mid engine car as the engine in the front is placed behind the front axcels so a front-mid engine car. But yea that layout might be not as bad to drift as a rear or mid engine car it'st still not advantageus.
I'm as much of a Porsche GT lover as I am a Honda RWD lover. I ranked a stock 997.1 GT3 quite a bit higher than even this expertly modified S2K. Maybe it's due to the way this 996.2 is set up (the Moton shocks didn't soak up bumps nearly as well as the JRZ) or inherent qualities of the platform, but the 997 gen is vastly better from a driving dynamics perspective, in my view.
@@Zygrene fair enough.. but I've noticed TH-cam car communities are like cookie cutter every car reviews always end up the same: They drive the hyped up car to a caynon road it usually goes like this: "this engine comes alive when you ring it out, I wish it was manual; more engaging, more fun, it's not all about straight line speed, naturally aspirated engine wow, blah blah blah" But majority of people who buys these sporty cars doesn't live near canyon roads, specially in States most of these cars get driven in suburban roads full of traffic stops. These days hardly anybody takes their car to a track..
@@JacesOwnWorld I meant the cars featured in the video which are both clearly track focussed. Disagree about S2k needing a lot of modifications - decent coilovers and brakes is plenty to make it a weapon on track.
The s2000 won this contest I’ll tell you why…This nice Chinese boy/man’s driving limits are 250hp/front engine basically a predictable car. No 911 unless it’s a 992/991 is east to drive fast you can’t master a 911 in a week. If this China-man drove my 800 hp LSA powered HSV he’d wrap it round a pole. This guy couldn’t get a gt3 within 10 seconds of a pro driver so not the best person to be judging a car he can’t drive.
Haven't watched the vid yet but is the s2k the best thing since sliced bread again 🤣🤣🥱 ok so s2k wins again as the drivers car 🤣 odd that here in the UK people rated it but it was never held up as one of the ultimate drivers cars but that gt3 was if i remember even though I'm not a fan of RR and would rather MR..
S2k in general is not very well sold or famous in Europe, but there are a view handful enthusiasts. Also tracks in Europe are mostly very fast tracks and very reliant on power with some exceptions in france. Japan and the US on the other hand also have very tight (almost like enlarged go kart tracks) where cars like an S2k shines. Also Suspension geometry and construction is much more advanced than the Porsche back then with double wishbones.
@@binskee677 I'm currently in a hot hatch but have had 86 and BRZ before. Do you have experience of driving both? And if so does the S2K feel like its COG feels as low as the twins as that's something i really liked qbout that platform...
To clarify: I'm as much of a Porsche GT lover as I am a Honda RWD lover. I ranked a stock (modded exhaust) 997.1 GT3 quite a bit higher than even this expertly modified S2K. In fact, 5 of my top 6 cars in my ranking spreadsheet are Porsche GT (997/991) cars. Maybe it's due to the way this 996.2 is set up (PSS tires, barely any camber, Moton shocks that didn't soak up bumps nearly as well as the JRZ) and/or inherent qualities of the platform, but the 997's I've driven are vastly better from a driving dynamics perspective, in my view. That said, I am definitely more accustomed to FR handling characteristics over RR, so I won't claim that there's zero bias in my perspective, but a lot less than some comments are implying.
Most of the upset people seem to be forgetting you owned/tracked a couple Porsches too huh? LOL
But anyways, yeah it does sound like the setup, especially the tires, were probably not optimal on the 996 in this comparison based on your driving feedback (especially the understeer in and out bit)
@@FCustureri i don't think there is anything wrong with the tires, on throttle understeer (or understeer in general) is normal with RR cars, the new 992 GT3 kinda solved it with double wishbones in the front (finally, what was Porsche doing all day) but you have to drive those cars much differently (hard on the break, trailbreaking, slower corner entry speed) but you can also go on the throttle much earlier than FR cars but the limits of a RR car cannot be tested on public roads really. It's not so easy to "feel" the limits like in a BMW
I agree with everything you said - PCA racers rave about the feel of 996 gt3 compared to all other gens, but say setup is fickle, and I'm unsure if that is ever translatable to real life roads.
@@CarYenta-1 it is very much translatable. But the 996 cup has 1480 and 1380 lb spring rates front and rear. With such a narrow spread the car is beautifully balanced and does not power on understeer at all. Set up is not that difficult but the window is admittedly much smaller with the 996 than the later platforms, which means find a compromise between road and track is quite difficult to find. A good driver will find the limit of the compromised set up quite quickly.
Japanese engineering far Superior inside and out I wouldn’t take that ugly a** Porsche with dated interior even if get it for free..like u said egg shaped .
Really appreciate this type of comparison. I’m always curious where different cars fit in relation to each other. Appreciated how you tried to describe the full driving dynamics, not just sound, steering and transmission feel. Love to see more of this!
I have an AP2 s2k and a 997.2 GT3. I honestly prefers the s2k on the road at everyday speed, and I also find myself driving the ski a lot more for various reasons. But if I am asked to only keep one car there is no contest. The Porsche for sure. Every time I get behind the wheel of that car it feels like a special event.
S2000 can compete with anything in the bends if set up properly
You need to brake in the 911 much later and more aggressive to get the front end to bite and turn. For an average driver a front engine layout is of course going to be much easier to drive quickly without knowing the limits.
Of course you would try to make the s2000 sound much less of a sports car, you must be all about German engineering
@@petrolhead8851 Did you reply to the wrong comment or do you really mean that? Because the advice that he's giving applies to MR2s and NSXs as well.
@@petrolhead8851 the S2000 is a joke next to the 996 GT3. Still a good car, but this is a very unfair comparison.
@@sklyrovka not really, the only advantage the GT3 has is power. Those generations of GT3's werent as good as the last 3 gens. Even a M3 CSL could keep up with a GT3. A well tuned S2000 can easily do the same unless the road/track is very power dependent
@@binskee677lmao at the modified car vs stock car discussion. M3 CSL was 7s off the 996 ring time, not that close. S2000 almost an entire minute slower.
Dollar for dollar, the S2000 was (and remains) one of the all-time-great 2-seat roadsters. There are low-production, expensive cars which are better. But what mass-produced, moderately-priced roadster was ever better? Any Porsche 911 is a special car, but none was ever inexpensvie.
Great review, completely agree with your assessment. 996 GT3 doesn't neutralize the drawbacks of RR platform anywhere close to as nearly as much as the 997 GT3. That S2K was also immaculately tuned by Erik
Would love to see these 2 cars on a head to head track battle
Although both cars have been modified, I believe your overall evaluation is accurate. For those not familiar with driving an S2K, it can be difficult to fully understand all the rave about the S2K. It's not so much about 0-60, or driving the car at it's top limits. It's about the great feel you get at moderate speeds, especially on mountain roads. Precise steering, snick shifting and good acceleration it is all there. Sorry Porsche, BMW, and Nissan
Disagree. The S is boring to drive sedately. Its fun lies in at the limits driving
love both. keep up da s2k stuff
Another excellent video. Always enjoy your insight. Contemporary reviews of the 996.2 GT3 agreed they’re a challenge to drive - have to set it up to get front grip. Meant to be one of those cars that’s a challenge but when you get it right, very rewarding
Your videos really put me in mind of those Best Motoring videos we all grew up watching. Lots of tastefully modded cars. I know it's a PITA, but a pedal cam would be a very cool addition.
You're really showcasing some amazing vehicles and you're cataloging important parts of automotive history.
This is a tough one to choose, which one of them I would like more.
I think they are both very great cars.
I would choose the 996 because it is faster, and it sounds a little bit better.
Love these David Vs Goliath comparisons :)
The S2000 is one of the greatest driver’s cars of all time. The current market prices are absolutely worth it. I’ve had mine for 16 years - driven A LOT of other cars over that time - and will never sell it. It’s sublime.
The transmission on the S2K and the overall characteristics are so awesome! Great driver's car, civilized, smooth, revy an reliable.
if anyone is watching and near OKC I've got an ap2 diff with a cusco lsd for sale. although every time I watch a zygrene video I somewhat miss my s2000
That GT3 is the epitome of learning how to drive and respect an older 911 and how dynamically different a rear engine car is compared to front engines. It's all about where the weight is. 911's require Patience on corner entry because the front is light and will want to push, but then aggressive on corner exit with all the weight and grip in the back. It's reverse driving style with front engines. Weight being over front wheels you can be more aggressive on corner entry, but then patient on throttle corner exit with the rear end being light.. This is also a good example of why some cars tuned for the smooth surface of a track, can not be trusted on bumpy canyon roads. Had the roads been smooth, I think your assessment would have been way more favorable to the GT3, but in this comparison, I agree with you, it was just not a good road to exploit the GT3 and it's tall gearing. A better, smoother road to stretch it's legs would have been more enjoyable in the GT3.
I remember when Matt Farah reviewed your 997.1 and 987. Still have those cars? They were really well setup.
@@apolloandratti7922 Still do! Have owned the 997.1 13 years now and the 987 10 years. I have driven the newer Porsches too, and although they have improved and are faster, I just like the simplicity of the older cars. They are still that good, especially with a few mods to make them a bit more special. 👍
@@qikqbn77 That's great to hear. I love the 997. Don't know if you ever met Zygrene (Fenton), but I think you both would hit if off well. Maybe he will get to see your 997.
@@apolloandratti7922 I kind on "met" Zygrene/Fenton on Rennlist through a series of posts he did when struggling with his 997.1 and the jerky throttle issues he experienced with that car. Then I started following his channel to see his progress on solving that issue. It's too bad that car left a poor ownership experience for him, but I do appreciate his insights in driving other cars. I admit I am a bit envious of how he has gotten to drive so many other peoples Porsches. Especially the many different generations of GT3's. That is a very rare thing to experience, even for long term Porsche owners. I think he is doing a great job with the channel and hope it continues to grow for him. 👍
Its about the experience, the way the car drives and how they make you feel. The S2K gives you the 6-Figure sports car experience for a fraction of the price, and typically, significantly more reliability. S2K for the win!!
I have driven a 996 and 997 GT3 around the track, (both were pretty close to stock) and the 996 is my favorite car I have ever driven on track. The 996 might not have as good driving dynamics, but the way it plays, I found spectacular. It dances and pivots spectacularly and towing the line between understeer/oversteer using the throttle around a corner was incredibly rewarding. The 997 felt a lot more planted and I actually found it wanted to understeer more.
Definitely want to see more odd ball comparisons. It's an interesting and enlightening take on uncovering the nuances of each car as they're likely to stand out more against unusual company. Also it was great to see the 996.2, even if it looked like a frustrating death trap on that road. I read that the 996.2 GT3 was already too stiff and for bumpy roads from the factory so the suspension on this one probably works great on track but looks very sub optimal for the road.
One thing that is supposed to be a dynamic weakness of the S2000 is the electric steering. An early system (like the NSX's) with little feedback and weird feeling. How does this stack up? Or are these track builds ditching the electric assistance for better feel?
Also, please don't let immature butt hurt fanboys in the comment section influence your future content. I didn't seen anything in this review that resembled you attempting to say that the S2000 is fundamentally a better drivers car than a 911 GT3 which is how some people are reacting. You're reviewing modified vehicles, on a specific piece of road, and just describing what you feel and how they respond and in that specific situation. It's a really interesting thing that most of us won't get the opportunity to do, so please keep content like this coming. Good work :)
Bought the grand prix white s2k in 2001 when first came out. Love that thing. Felt like a go cart when I first drove it. Was my everyday driver for 6 years.
Now have a 991.1 Carrera S weekend car. Can't beat that rear engine and PSE exhaust noise.
That long Porsche gearing kills the canyon game. Gimme that S2K! Of course, I'm biased.
True, but It's relatively inexpensive to change the gearing in a Honda, but cost prohibitive to do so in a Porsche. A shorter gear set for my Cayman is $8K, not including labor. That's Porsche tax for you.
Both cars are prepped for the track and you tested it on the street. Take it to the track man!
How about I show some love for you driving more s2000s!
I know you are sick of reviewing them but your smiles and attitude say it all each time you rip that f22 VTEC! Yo!😂
I always tell people, I was very surprised sitting in the 996 turbo to find the Honda had a nicer interior, better shifter, and overall better steering feel. The engine of course in the Porsche was phenomenal. But it’s hard to argue the s2000 isn’t a competitor.
Having owned both platforms, I concur
Porsche was in big financial trouble at the time, so Toyota stepped in and helped them with the 996 interior design. I agree, the S2000 has a cooler cabin, but I don't think the 996's interior is nearly as bad as everyone says, way overblown. I think it's a very nice place to be, I prefer it to the 997.
I'm excited for your next S2000
More oddball reviews please! S2K vs Saturn Sky vs Pontiac Solstice vs Z4M vs SLK
The GT3 must have a weird setup because mine just crushes the corners, has great feel and is easy to drive.
Keep the "unusual" comparisons coming! You exhibit interesting cars on interesting roads that spark interesting conversations! My experience, RR has to be enjoyed on a racetrack more so than on the street since it doesn't have "playful" limit balance and has to be driven hard to come alive. Maybe try an air-cooled 911 with skinny tires?! This 996 needs some setup work for sure, especially for that road. As you know RR does require a different driving style entirely to FR or MR. Brake later (rear weight is better for braking), light trail brake/throttle lift (depending on setup) to keep weight on the nose, later apex, hard throttle earlier for exit with allll that rear traction. It takes time to re-map your rhythm for an RR and it won't behave well if you drive it like anything else. Porsche has changed the RR game significantly though with lots of extra front track width from the 991 RS and now all 992s. No doubt the S2K is an all-time great, but variety makes cars fun! Personally would like to see more dialed-in ND2s and NC2/3s for comparison if you can find them!
Thanks for this comparison.
I've had my s2k for 12+ years - it's heavily track modified, but still driven to and from events.
The 996 gt3 has been a dream car for me, and this was an eye opening comparison, albeit slightly biased (but still good).
Wish the gt3 was on better more modern rubber - super sports were discontinued a long time ago, and even in their prime werent a top street/track tire. I think that was the only thing missing from making this apples to apples.
Still an excellent comparison review, thanks for putting it together 👍.
Agreed. I'd love to try the 996 again with updated alignment and Cup 2 tires or similar
interesting comparison. please take the time to adjust the dampers for the road as it would be a prudent and more accurate comparison with a few minutes to tune these for your particular road surface. Unless the alignment has changed, the front camber is at 3 and the rear is at 2.7...plenty of camber, ideally suited for the track, particularly when running on hoosiers (235 front, 315 rears). further, front sway bar is on soft setting, rear is in the middle.
Lots of thoughtful and meaningful input from experienced drivers, best advice is mentioned numerous times on learning to respect and properly drive a rear engine race developed Porsche; brake, turn-in, squeeze the throttle and unwind the wheel.......................
keep up the interesting comparisons
I feel like the point here was just to reinforce your decision to get another S2000. I think I know where this is headed 😂
Great comparison. I need to ask Eric to tune my s2k :)
Cool review. Although, by the look of the ride height and the way the wheels are sitting in the fenders of that 996 GT3, it doesn’t look like a track set up. The correct alignment is imperative to the way these cars handle. They need rake and a lot of camber to get them to their full potential. Night and day to a stock-ish alignment, even with a track focused suspension.
S2000 all day
You got that right. S2K 👑
100% agree. I would choose the s2000 every time
I don’t know how the moton is setup in the gt3, but for any 996 I have drove with coil over, 99% is not dialed in correctly for the street. It’s either a street setup or road course, there is no between setup as their window of specifications is too small. For canyon roads, a stock suspension gt3 will be almost always better by significantly chance since no one dialed coilover correctly most of time
I wonder why. For S2K, E46, BRZ, and others, it's possible to have a setup that works well in canyons and on track
@@Zygrene imho 996 is still more somewhat more similar to those air cooled philosophy and retain a lot more of the rear engine weight characteristics since this is Porsche first time doing water cooled engine. They didn’t have all the budget to modernize and dial out rr driving characteristics yet. 997 even it’s the same general platform but those subframe pick up point and control arms all be revised to neuter the widow maker tendencies so it’s easier to drive like a normal fr car. I guess spend enough money one can dial the 996 like 997 by changing whole bunch stuff but what the point at that just buy 997 gt3 at that point, or even 991.1 since might be cheaper
@@kyolmlGreat analysis. The 996 is my personal favorite 911.
Still not sure why you don't have an s2000 again
He gets to drive everyone else's that's why
I feel like with all the parts thrown at the 996 it doesn't seem setup well at all. Does the owner know who decided to spec the rates and valving for the Motons? I know it's a track setup, but I would think with a motorsport coilover you would see a little better management over the bumps even on the mountains. My JRZs you reviewed in the M3 video didn't behave anywhere near the same. I wonder if a big part of this is suspension tuners for the 996 when it was first developed were mostly prevalent in Europe where their circuits are significantly different than ours here with much better pavement.
The other biggest issue I see in the GT3 is the alignment, as you mentioned in one of the comments it is setup at -1.5 F. My GT3 is on bone stock alignment and even with RWS I get an absurd amount of understeer on track. Without dynamic camber adjustment in the front and no RWS the 996 is falling flat. The car absolutely needs -2.5 or so up front.
100% agree. Those are not track or even fast road settings for a 996 GT3. Camber needs to be closer to -3 (or ideally even more) up front, with some rake added for the front end to come alive.
Great review. Would be cool if you could compare the S2000 with an E46 M3.
Owned both before, both are fantastic cars, and both have flaws. I’d say e46m3 is more usable (because of the size), but the s2k is a more special car as a toy
@@samwisee what about a built E30 with an S54. That’s my dream daily.
@@jjchockey E30 with a F20C. Misha driven it on the Ring. It rips better than a S54 swap.
@@Unicornpirate I’d much rather have the S54. BMW engine in a BMW is better for value, a lot more torque, and sounds better.
Can't wait until you review a 992 GT3! or even a 992 Carrera S! Love your reviews, keep it up 😁
Nice review! Current s2k owner. Test drove a 987.1 s and was unimpressed, been considering a modded 996.
Stock 986 and 987 are a bit too soft to offer the edgy fun of an S2K, tighten them up some and the mid engine balance offers a unique experience
The 996 is better. Just needs a driver mod.
Looks like the front of the GT3 is way too firm. Mine has Moton and 2.3/2.1 front rear cambers and it drives like a tarmac rally car on the road (and still good on track)
Here's an interesting odd ball review, a track spec Civic ef/eg/ek vs a Porsche
I can't believe I'm saying this but the S2000 looks better than that 911..
I agree. All around and especially the interior.
One of these cars is underrated even if some are saying is expensive. The other one is very overrated.
996.2 made 381 hp factory. The 996.1 made 360 ho
How do we get in touch for a skyline drive one of these days? You can review the new ride if you want. Should be ready in a week or two. (plus track days at Sonoma soon if weather is nice)
Please shoot me a quick email! zygrene@gmail.com
a crossover video would be amazing
Next video: General Dynamics F-16 vs Honda S2000!
When it comes to measuring dynamics and "feel" this was not an oddball comparison. Both cars are rwd, light, rev over 8k, and have soul... I had a 996 C2 as a track/street car for 3 years and although it's not a GT3 what you say about the front end is true. You have to brake hard INTO the corner and demand the axle to grip. That driving style of hard late braking is what made my transition into my AP1 seamless. I brake the same way on track but just later as there's less mass to slow down. Both cars are sub-3,000 pound momentum cars. I would wager they cover the same ground at equal pace. The 996 has the torque, where the s2000 will almost always have a slightly higher minimum apex speed. That may make the s2000 feel faster but Porsche magic is why it's still worth 3x more. Nice vid
It’s value is in the rareness.
S2000 all day! Biased AP2 owner ;)
these are very fun to watch, keep it up!
Try an AP1 s2000 vs a modified older air cooled 911 (pre-89). Do a raw ness score.
I see you're in the Bay Area. What roads do you review these cars on?
I get the feeling that a stock gt3 would of been a much better experience on that road.
Honda S2000 FTW!
I’d like to see more stock on stock comparisons.
OS GEEKIN🤘🏼🤘🏼
What's next, The LG Depth MAX Refrigerator vs The Honda S2000? 😜
Not a good comparison. The gt3 wasn't tuned properly.
Is the 996 the best drivers car?
It's a great driver's car but definitely not my favorite
A properly setup one is yes. Well, out of the 2 cars featured here. No contest.
Please tell me you're planning on attending the #Gridlife event this fall... Need to try some k swap s2k...
P.S. at Laguna Seca
Sounds fun. I'll see if I can make it
Drive what you like, I am personally not interested in Euro cars. S2K for me…invest the rest of your money and lower maintenance cost.
The low maintenance costs is where the Honda shines the most.
Next: Ferrari 458 vs my mom's Dodge van 🤣
There is a substitute….and it’s better.
Make it fly
Before I bought a Porsche, I had a quick drive in a friend's 996 at the point when I owned an S2000. The 996 had a notable push on turn-in, where the Honda was pretty neutral. Trail braking probably would have cured the push but that wasn't a thing on a road in a city. I wonder if that is a trait Porsche dialed into the basic setup for 996s. I wound up with a 987 Boxster; none of the ones I tested or my current car have anything like the push that 996 had.
On the steering feel, did the owner say anything about the caster or camber settings on the car? That could be a factor that would be readily changed. Based on the suspension being so stiff with standard street tires, the owner of that 996 may have made some very unusual choices in setting up that car.
Unsure about caster, but I think camber was reduced to around 1.5 degrees for improved tire wear on the street
@@Zygrene
Reducing front camber will have an effect on turn-in. The other thing is that if that the owner lowered the car with the shock change, that could mess with suspension settings. Your impression of the car isn't the way a 996 GT3 should behave. Something probably wasn't right with that car.
These people that want to make excuses for the Porsche just don’t realize how good the S2000 is.
The 996 especially has an inherent understeer characteristic due to the weight distribution (37/63) and subsequently light front end. Each successive 911 has dialled it out a bit by adding size/trackwidth and a little mass to the front end but not so much as to remove the 911 'ness. The 987 by comparison has a much more balanced weight distribution (46/54) due to the engine placement which means less understeer (but also slightly less rear traction).
@@z32luvr wrong. This is not a level playing field as that 996 is far from set up correctly. These GT3s were literally a race car with suspension settings dialed back to accommodate the general in-experienced driver. That GT3 would leave the S2000 for dead with the right tyres and a track alignment.
0:04 Yup
911 for the straight line, S2000 for the corners :)
I wonder if you'd say the same about turning while heavy on the throttle in a 4, C4S, or Turbo. I don't experience this in my C4S, just grip for days. Also I don't know how fair it is to say the s2k has a more favorable grip situation. It makes around half the power, of course it does.
Not knocking the review or video but not one ☝️ person on earth 🌍 every complained about a gt3’s steering till the 992 came out with double wishbone front suspension. Check every gt3 generations reviews and they all raved about the car, it’s feel, and handling. Hell, I can’t remember one car ever besting a gt3 in a head to head review or shootout and every other car had double wishbone front suspension
They never compared it to a S2K though 😁
@@z32luvr really…. Stock s2k lined up against any year stock gt3…. Not even fair and there’s a reason no one ever did the comparison 😂🤣😂 (s2k is a nice car but let’s not go talking crazy here)
I know your à diehard s2000 guy but cut the bull …. Y did you go out and get Porsches in your garage now because it’s the best and always been the best… and Honda is à pesant car like vw….like you said in the beginning of video you can’t compare insult to Porsche 911 a racing legend that won more races then any other car and world speed records more then any other car……
0:07 why didn’t you say a 6 figure 996 gt3 to a 5 figure Honda s2000? Hmmm
Have not driven any modded Porsches, but Cayman S just bearly takes the win in my book over the s2k for best car to drive.
Agreed. Stock vs stock, a Cayman S/GTS from any gen is better to drive than an S2K in many ways.
I've driven both. My brother had a cayman. Once you start mods the s2000 is a much better car
@@umaireg6 I did drive a AP2 on coils. Still for me the communication from the car to the driver seemed more pure on the cayman.
@@petert7807 The obvious criticism with the S2000 is the electric steering vs the hydraulic on the Cayman. If Honda had stuck with hydro for a little longer the S2000 might just have been perfect!
You’re driving a platform (S2K) you know well and prefer, on the type of roads that allow the same platform to shine. It seems like this 996 GT3 and the 5th gen Viper (from a prior review) are somewhat disadvantaged as they do not reflect the driving style that you’re accustomed to, driving on the roads that do not allow them to show their respective strengths.
I do enjoy your overall content as your enthusiasm for driver’s cars are evident, but these comparison videos provide viewers a skewed perspective.
not necessarly, driving the cars on the exact same road and comparing it to a car he very well knows might be a very good way to compare how other cars stand on that road and to have a benchmark. As most of the owners drive those cars on winding roads, not always on tracks, it also gives a good impression of that.
this s2000 looks far better than that gt3 to be honest
In real life no.
gt3 mid af
GT3 overrated, S2000 under dog. For everyday driving GT3 but for street or track weapon S2000 all day. Been waiting for this comparison.
Lmao its a modified S2000, that GT3 he couldn't push it to its limit in public curvy road. GT3 would kill this S200 on a track
@@francisgomes9976 lmao somebody a little butt hurt. Sorry no lube.
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Proper driver in the gt3
@@francisgomes9976 hahaha don't know what to say so you get racist. Shows how smart you are buddy. Looks like you do understand what I was saying cause you butt hurt. Sorry no lube.
@@asianyangster916 "shows how smart you are" says the little slanty eyes boy, who replied "butt hurt, no lube" is that how a smart person start any conversation?
So I'm speaking your langue yellow monkey "ching chang chong" 😂😂
Calling a highly modified S2K a car that is only 1/3 the cost of a GT3 is Slightly disingenuous. You have to acct for all of the aftermarket mods and labor. Odd comparison, as are many “my modded Japanese car is ‘better’ than your stock higher priced car”. Well played 👏 it’s about the 1 billionth time it’s been done
Oh I must have missed the part where the review contained a completely stock GT3.......
@@JacesOwnWorld and what exactly qualifies you to review this review?
@@JacesOwnWorld someone is butthurt. The S2000 is just better in the corners.
Another one of your heavily modded vs pretty much stock comparisons 🤭. The Porsche is on old summer tires and the s2k is on race tires. Already an invalid comparison.....
Semi sliks are definitly not an advantage on a twisty road, you can't really get them warn unless it's very very hot outside and will only slide around
@@binskee677 you’ve obviously never driven on a good r compound then.
@@porschenut9 define good haha and with warm i mean 20+ degrees celcius. Once you get them warm on the road you're stuck behind traffic and then they're cold again. I drive the Michelin Cup2's on the S2000
@@binskee677 a 20+ celcius, a “cold” r compound will still have way more grip than a PSS. Slowing down for traffic momentarily should not be enough to expose the operating temperature of the tyre, especially on public roads where it’s near impossible to find the limit of such a tyre without risking big.
@@porschenut9 yea totally agree 20+ celcius it's fine, but it's much harder to reach the operating temp without driving like a hoonigan and i don't mean stopping for traffic i mean getting stuck behind a very slow car without the opportunity to overtake on some twisty roads. I live in Switzerland our mountain roads are much narrower and tighter than in the US, it's not rare that you don't have a safe spot to overtake for a couple of kilometers, especially with a car which is not very fast on the straights. IMO a UHP tires like a Micheline Pilot Sport 4s or the older Super Sport is better for some B road driving and also safer as some places will have some wet spots on the road and sudden rainfall won't be an issue. Maybe i'm just driving to slowly haha but i doubt that
Too bad the s2k isn’t made for drifting. It has the ingredients (FR) yeah it can be tail happy and oversteer here and there but it’s just not built for drift.
Drifting is for posers. Professionals are talking about seconds not ballet
Technically it's a mid engine car as the engine in the front is placed behind the front axcels so a front-mid engine car. But yea that layout might be not as bad to drift as a rear or mid engine car it'st still not advantageus.
Biased review as alway ugh
why do you watch them?
I'm as much of a Porsche GT lover as I am a Honda RWD lover. I ranked a stock 997.1 GT3 quite a bit higher than even this expertly modified S2K. Maybe it's due to the way this 996.2 is set up (the Moton shocks didn't soak up bumps nearly as well as the JRZ) or inherent qualities of the platform, but the 997 gen is vastly better from a driving dynamics perspective, in my view.
@@Zygrene fair enough.. but I've noticed TH-cam car communities are like cookie cutter every car reviews always end up the same:
They drive the hyped up car to a caynon road it usually goes like this: "this engine comes alive when you ring it out, I wish it was manual; more engaging, more fun, it's not all about straight line speed, naturally aspirated engine wow, blah blah blah"
But majority of people who buys these sporty cars doesn't live near canyon roads, specially in States most of these cars get driven in suburban roads full of traffic stops. These days hardly anybody takes their car to a track..
@@francisgomes9976 These are both meant to be driven on the track so I'm not sure I see your point. They're not really for driving in traffic.
@@JacesOwnWorld I meant the cars featured in the video which are both clearly track focussed. Disagree about S2k needing a lot of modifications - decent coilovers and brakes is plenty to make it a weapon on track.
The s2000 won this contest I’ll tell you why…This nice Chinese boy/man’s driving limits are 250hp/front engine basically a predictable car. No 911 unless it’s a 992/991 is east to drive fast you can’t master a 911 in a week.
If this China-man drove my 800 hp LSA powered HSV he’d wrap it round a pole. This guy couldn’t get a gt3 within 10 seconds of a pro driver so not the best person to be judging a car he can’t drive.
Haven't watched the vid yet but is the s2k the best thing since sliced bread again 🤣🤣🥱 ok so s2k wins again as the drivers car 🤣 odd that here in the UK people rated it but it was never held up as one of the ultimate drivers cars but that gt3 was if i remember even though I'm not a fan of RR and would rather MR..
S2k in general is not very well sold or famous in Europe, but there are a view handful enthusiasts. Also tracks in Europe are mostly very fast tracks and very reliant on power with some exceptions in france. Japan and the US on the other hand also have very tight (almost like enlarged go kart tracks) where cars like an S2k shines. Also Suspension geometry and construction is much more advanced than the Porsche back then with double wishbones.
@@binskee677 that makes sense!
@@binskee677 I'm currently in a hot hatch but have had 86 and BRZ before. Do you have experience of driving both? And if so does the S2K feel like its COG feels as low as the twins as that's something i really liked qbout that platform...
Sliced bread's got nothin on VTEC
I'd pay to see Chris Harris or Jethro do a video on the S2K though