When Zhang Liao dies by wu wasn't he a really old man..... and still was a menace. Zhang Fei being a drunken mess at times would be the thing to also hurt Shu
Historically Zhang Liao died of illness not injured by an arrow. And he's still a great threat for Sun Quan. The Sanguozhi related that, especially before the battle of Dongkou at 222 between Wei and Wu during the reign of Cao Pi. At this time Zhang Liao was still a threat for Sun Quan despite his old âge. The biaised book Romance of Three Kingdoms ignored that fact I wonder why ... Surely to restore the honor of Wu 😊. This is why Zhang Liao is definively the best general of Three Kingdoms.
This was a really cool video! I love how you use the historical aspects to get a better idea of how the fight would actually go. The animation was great too!! Fantastic video! I feel I have found a home in this community I’ve never met anyone else who has liked these games or the history as much as I do 😂
Yooo! The CHILLS I got from just watching the intro again are absolutely insane. You did such an absolutely amazing job of hyping this for all of us, it’s insane; genuinely felt like I was getting ready to watch the next big box office hit. That said, I wasn’t sure how this video was gonna go down (ie: how you were going to determine the winner), so I LOVED the various categories you popped in to truly weigh (*wink wink, nudge nudge*) in. Also can we give a shoutout to your animator for crafting that final scene? It really gave some nice old-school anime vibes that got us all hooked in this general genre in the first place. The amount of work, love, and research that went into this is palpable. It was 1000% worth the wait. Also highkey loved Zhang Fei getting merked by his own team… again. And I’d be a darn liar if I didn’t say I was immeasurably ecstatic that Wei > Shu. Yet another incredible video, be prepared for a series of comments as I rewatch over and over again for new things I missed the first time around. Amazing work, Nighowl. 👏🏻✨
Appreciate you Ms Empress! I honestly had to read the wink wink again cause I did not get it at first but I now see the WEIght of that comment... 👀😅😁 Always appreciate your comments and glad you enjoyed the details that went into making this vid! Animator is credited in the description as well! Cool dude
I dont know about guan yu losing 1v1 against zhang liao even though zhang liao my favorite. Zhao yun is accurate as hell just beast mode. Dian Wei as well beast mode.
It was tough to decide how to kill him, so I went with this is fan castle guan yu who seemed to lose his edge and lost a duel to pang de so I gave it to Zhang Liao, In a 1 v 1 in their primes respectively, I think Yu takes it but, the team aspect along with everything combined into both characters, I gave it to Liao, appreciate u!
@@TheNightowlGaming dude your a wei fan wdym?? Of course wei wins.. so this little whatever your doing I appreciate it but Shu is way stronger than that. The only reason Liu Bei an his empire lost is because Bei couldn't control his emotions after Yu was betrayed and murdered along with his sons..
Thing is the five elites of wei all deserve to be called great generals imo, they all had long and successful military careers spanning like 30-40+ years. True, the tiger generals were all great warriors, but for me Huang Zhong is the only one you could call a great general, wei’s elites are just on a different level tactically + they often did work together and did so very effectively!
What an interesting idea for a vs type of scenario, this would honestly be pretty tough to decide for a lot of reasons like legit I don't know who would win here personally so I'm definitely excited to see other people's takes with something so precise.
@@TheNightowlGaming for sure, I mean thinking a bit about it for a little bit I think ultimately wei would come out with the "W" in this situation it's the whole teamwork and comradeery aspect that really made the difference to me, cus the wei forces have always just demonstrated top tier teamwork and comradeery in pretty much every game so it makes sense for them to eventually wear shu down.
I used to be team shu when i was younger until i watched the series and realised Liu Bei and his sworn brothers became arrogant which lead to their deaths, Now im Team Wei since when they made a mistake they right that wrong
100% And I agree with the other comment, every kingdom 100% has their flaws, I still like the way the games display the characters, still makes them likeable characters, which I enjoy
@@TheNightowlGaming there are some people in shu I like but I cannot stand liu bei and his brothers they ruined things for themselves and instead of blaming themselves they blamed everyone else Cao Cao when he made a mistake he owns it and never blamed other people, unless it was other people who did do something wrong
@@brendenreecegaming284 Well that's not fair as Cao Cao did said '"If Guo Fengxiao was around, I wouldn't have ended up like this' after the battle of Chibi. But actually Jia Xiu did warned Cao Cao not to further attack Sun Quan after occupying the province of Jing.
I agree with the outcome man! I’ve been team Wei ever since DW2 but this is my UNBIASED opinion. Individually, Shu is stronger but what will eventually lead to their downfall is their egos. For example, Guan Yu wanted to duel Ma Chao to see if he earned his right to be one of the 5 Shu Tiger Generals. On the other hand, Wei is united my one common purpose and that’s to see Cao Cao’s dreams come to fruition. Same here bro! This series will forever hold a special place in my heart. Been playing this series since DW2! But out of all DW games, DW3 is my GOAT. 🤙🏾
Yes! Thats what came down to deciding Wei, Cause in the animation im limited to show how shu would really dissolve in this fight, the only real hint to it was zhang fei's friendly fire death, but Wei's teamwork I think would put them over the edge for this one for sure
Fire ass video man my favorite was the animated duels towards the end between shu and Wei Man U elevating on this channel I been subscribed for a few months and watched all your videos keep feeding us content man I love three kingdoms and Dw games 🔥🔥🔥
Yo Huang Zhong friendly fire, friendly fire! NOOOO 😭 Bro that fight was brutal I loved it! Im glad you took into account all other aspects other than the novel and games because just going by the novel itself it would be an easy win for Shu. Got to take historical aspects into account for these comparisons to work! Zhang Liao I've got to rate in terms of overall feats, leadership skills, and fictional portrayal as the one being able to outlast the Shu general onslaught and even do a little 2 vs 1 action there. I think Zhang Liao under Lu Bu would have Guan Yu get the better of him, but peak He Fei era Zhang Liao when he was in straight up kill mode? Guan Yu might have his head lopped off. Zhao Yun had some crazy cool action in there too! I freaking love this types of what if videos and character comparisons. My favorite content from you and I will always be looking forward to a review series of the mainline games when you get around to it! I know that would be a big project for you so I can wait a long time for those videos to come out. Looking at the animation has got me thinking, DW needs an M rated title with blood and maybe even dismemberment. It adds so much more to the fights as well as the warriors. I can only dream that they would go that route. Suggestion: Now maybe Shu can make a comeback with a 5 vs 5 against Wu generals? For Wu's 5 maybe Gan Ning, Taishi Ci, Zhou Tai, Lu Meng, and Ling Tong? I think it would be a heck of a matchup! Keep it coming bro!
BILLY! Yeah Fei had to go down from that lol! And yeah it was tough to decide and because it is a team battle instead of 1 v 1 and the limited amount I could do with the animation, I had to kill certain people at certain times and all that, another 5 v 5 will be way later cause Ill need to fundraise up again and all that! and the reviews for the games are written, i just dont know where to start with those, but they will happen! Appreciate u!
@@TheNightowlGaming I totally get that! It doesn't matter how long these videos take, because boy they are absolute treats when they hit my notifications! What sets you apart from other DW creators is your high tier quality videos and your fans would rather have the quality than quantity for sure. 💪
I’m gonna be honest shu all the way like I’m not being biased, but they have the reach of their weapons. They have reach and speed and they have strength. They also have the Marshall. Powers they also have tacticians military experience off the Ying yang, and they all work very very well together, like the only one that might be a little out of it would be macho. But even then he can hold his own and he’s not stupid. He might break formation, but he would stay close enough for his team to help him out. He could also break formation to other team members while he’s engaged with an enemy like this is no way that shu can lose there’s only two warriors on Wei now if you were to put their leaders in the equation, that would be a turning point one of the very few, but even then I still think they would win
I did not expect the outcome - underestimated Dian Wei's input I suppose. I'm glad we agree that Shu would've won if it was against the original Elite Five (even though I like Wei much more than I do Shu 😬) I enjoyed watching this a lot, devoured the whole vid in one breath. Thanks for your hard work, The Nightowl!
him "killing" GUan yu in the animation isnt representative of a 1v1 its a conglomeration of the all the characters and I had to kill him with someone lol
This was fine. I disagree what Zhang Liao could beat Guan Yu especially with no help. Yeah i understand Zhang Liao's feats at He Fei but Guan Yu's a Fan Castle is similar, they both died in their respective scenarios but if you took Guan Yu and put him in Zhang Liao's scenario it's hard to see him dying vs putting Zhang Laio in Guan Yu's fan castle scenario. Zhao Yun 2 v 1ing and beating Dian Wei during it? Ehh. Huang Zhong shooting Zhang Fei in the eye by accident? Idk, Zhang Fei is only messy when he's drunk. Sober and Focus Zhang Fei is right beside Guan Yu in every aspect. Li Dian i don't think should be here over Xu Chu who is basically the capable replacement to Dian Wei for Cao Cao when he passes away. I have a lot of disagreements to how this all went down. Good job with the effect nonetheless though
With the animation, I have a lot of limitations on what I could actually show + I couldn't talk about everything for each character, the reason characters died certain ways was because of those limitations. In a team aspect, that's what is taking a lot of the characters out along with their weaknesses and flaws. Everything is considered for this, also Li Dian isn't in this. Also Zhang liao didnt die at Hefei, he died of illness, his death in the games/novel is fabricated. There's a lot of small details I had to keep out due to time, like Zhao Yun being nearly perfect in history & lots of others, more than happy to discuss alot of research and time went into this vid 😁
Not sure I agree with the end result based on how much of a beast Guan Yu is generally depicted as, I mean you don't get called the "God of War" for no reason. Now granted the only one of Wei that I think stands a chance of beating him would be Zhang Liao, but overall I just don't see Zhang Fei or Ma Chao going down that easy. Ma Chao was debatably only tied for 2nd behind Guan Yu in terms of battle prowess. As I believe that Zhao Yun, Zhang Fei and Ma Chao are in a three-way tie. Zhang Fei being there due to his resilience and raw power, Zhao Yun for his martial skill and prowess, and Ma Chao for his mix of strength and martial skill. Huang Zhong is definitely the weakest of the five but that's only due to his age, his skill and prowess are why he's so dangerous, it's just that age will dull you at a certain point. Also Ma Chao cause of death is a grey area, fairly unknown, but it's more so accepted that he died of illness, which given how much fighting happened throughout his life speaks to his strength. Though regardless it was an interesting video.
glad you enjoyed it! the strongest factor for Wei is there teamwork, Wei is able to work much more together as a unit than Shu ever did, the animation I can only show so much due to budget and time, but in terms of pure tactics of the 5, Wei has a strong advantage, among the 5 Shu none of them are tacticians, but Zhang He on Wei was said to be so adaptable he was pretty much a strategist and navigating his other 4 teammates to get an advantage over the boisterous Guan Yu, Fei and Ma Chao they would find a way to overcome them, definitely is a close one but Wei as a team and faction is monstrous, theres a reason the origin of unification is in Wei
Much respect to you for including Ma Chao in this. As my all time favorite officer, biased or not, I always felt like he was very unappreciated in the games.
That was brilliant lunch break viewing 💯 subbed instantly and can't wait to get Origins to get back into the franchise, currently getting my 'fix' with One Piece Pirate Warriors but nothing is like the first love lol so bring on the new game ASAP.
Historical analysis Wei side Zhang Liao - the living horror that haunted Sun Wu. 11/10 General. This guy overshadows every other general in Wei. Dian Wei - I also agree Yu Jin's later moments were not great. Dian Wei is probably the more impressive General. Koei Tecmo seemed to rolled both Dian Wei and Xu Chu to make their DW character. Actually made Lu Bu retreat. 10/10 bodyguard. Can't say much about general career because it's too short lived but the fact he pushed Lu Bu back should make him at least a 7/10. Honestly Yu Jin would have been a 8/10 if I squinted my eyes hard enough to ignore his downfall. Yue Jin - Was there defending Hefei castle against the insane odd. But that feat is overshadowed by Zhang Liao. He was nevertheless consistent throughout the career. Notably he fought Guan Yu and drove him away. 8/10 Xu Huang - Also fought Guan Yu and won. I'm starting to think the odds might be against the Shu here. Underrated. Had a long military career under Cao Cao and Cao Pi and never lost. The account of him being shot in the forehead by Meng Da was fictional. He died of illness. 9/10 Zhang He - Originally Yuan Shao's general but Yuan Shao didn't value him and his insights. Surrendered to Cao Cao when he had enough of Yuan Shao's incompetence and arrogance. In my opinion, such maneuvre should be more highly regarded. And it turns out he's a beast and Yuan Shao should have listened to him. Zhuge Liang's first Northern Expedition was a disaster. This guy was the reason. He pursued after Zhuge Liang and got killed in an ambush in Mount Qi. It's not clear if he volunteered to do that or Sima Yi ordered him. 8/10 Overall: 43. Shu side Guan Yu - I'm afraid impressions on this guy has been twisted by fictions and exaggerations. Slaying Hua Xiong easily when Hua Xiong was seemingly invincible, well, invincible Hua Xiong was fictional. Historically, Hua Xiong didn't have any notable achievement. Same for Yan Liang and Wen Chou. It wasn't that he spared Cao Cao in battle of Chi Bi, he was driven away by overwhelming reinforcement. Still, he did kick asses. 7/10 Zhao Yun - Oh boy. The scary thing about this guy is the story of him rushing back north in the battle of Changban to rescue Liu Shan and Lady Gan seems historically accurate. Although we don't know how it was done and if there was really an effort by Cao's army to exterminate them. The battle of Changban was a defeat for him, but that is because Cao Cao was a better general than Liu Bei. He fought Cao Cao force in the battle of Han river with terrible odd, and outwitted Cao Cao completely. He didn't devastate Cao Cao the way Zhang Liao did Sun Quan, but he didn't manage to catch Cao Cao by surprise, and Cao Cao was a much better general than Sun Quan. 10/10 Zhang Fei - He wasn't drunk and lost Xiapi to Lu Bu. Lu Bu was just too strong for him. This makes him a better general in my opinion, rather than the fictional account. Didn't shout and kill Xiahou Jie at Changban, but was a good rearguard. Fought Zhang He with an advantage and won. If I squinted my eyes hard enough he's 8/10. Huang Zhong - Highly regarded by all. Interestingly there isn't many thing recorded about him other than the Battle of Dingjun, but that was an impressive battle. 7/10 Ma Chao - Historically this guy was reputedly inhumane, but let's not hold that against him as a general. He lost to Cao Cao, but really he lost to Jia Xu, whom I think is probably the smartest guy overall in that period. This guy started his career in the worst situation of all these generals and suffered a string of failures, but I think if it had been anyone else, they would have died quite early. He only lived because he was so violent and vicious. 7/10 Overall: 39 Wei wins for me. Honestly even before deep analysis, just Zhang Liao alone gives me the impression that Wei wins.
@TheNightowlGaming also you seem to be one of the few people that enjoyed DW9. I would love if u could make a video about why you like dw9. Because I'm loving every minute of it
I could be extremely biased but when watching this, the whole time im just like theres no Fing way Shu would lose, that team is stacked especially with Guan Yu
That's totally fair! I think the team aspect is what would kill it for Shu, I couldnt do a super extravagant animation, so I did what I could with the limited time and resources, but yeah thats what tipped them over
@@TheNightowlGaming I agree, I’ll even admit being a Shu fan that their team skills has always been rough and their downfall lowkey without Zhuge Liang. Although I do believe in this scenario the only one holding the team back in this is Ma chao but only in terms of team coordination. even without Liu Bei, Guan Yu and Zhang Feis brotherly connection in combat is probably one of their strongest traits. And Huang Zhong I do agree is probably the heavily underrated, Id even go as far to say the most but thats me. Huang Zhong just works good with anybody in team coordination. He literally was one of the only people that actually worked with Wei Yan instead of fearing him
@@TheNightowlGaming I agree honestly. If you keep making these fight scenarios try a free for all of the 3 OGs, Liu Bei, Cao Cao and Sun Jian. Just as a suggestion
Man I love this series and I’m so invested please make more. I agree with the assessment up until you said zhang fei dies to friendly fire, even if we overlook he is one of the strongest of all of them the bigger problem is huang zhong doesn’t miss and for him to make the mistake of shooting his own team mate is a big no for me I feel as tho dian wei is one of my favourite out of the bunch he also is likely to be one of the first dispatched as he has never shown he is capable of competing with someone of the level of zhang. I admit in a one on one I would probally choose dian wei as an opponent last due to his scary nature but in terms of feats and experience he ranks quite low here all though being biased I’m glad he looked so good here. I believe shu would win due to the above points however If zhang fei fell this would be the correct outcome Also Zhang Liao and guan yu fight i personally don’t believe would end that way not cause I think the result is wrong but simply I don’t see either being able to kill the other. ( if I had to pick one I do believe guan yu would win in a one on one given he was the god of war and is famous for only being matchable by Lubu PS if you ever did a podcast on this I would absolutely love to get involved I always love there hypothetical battles but have no one else interested to have the discussions with All in all whilst I disagree you sure earned that subscribe good work keep it up
I appreciate the sub! More coming! So its tough, I have to showcase the conglomerate of everything of a character within that small animation, so if you take only the positives of Zhang Fei/Guan Yu they certainly come out on top. However, you ahve to take that Guan Yu has shown to been beaten by Zhang Liao (DW7) if not at least similar strength (DW5) and Im taking those as canon events since they were part of the story for the main games. Also Guan Yu lost to Pang De who is significantly weaker AND Guan Yu couldnt defeat Ji Ling where Zhang Fei could. He's immensely powerful but with everything considered he falls to Zhang Liao who's basically had a perfect record and his only real stub is his death in DW7. Also, Huang Zhong is amazing but, if he shoots an arrow he can no longer curve the arrow, Jiang Wei caught an arrow shot by Guo Huai and used it to kill him and he's significantly weaker than Dian Wei. I could've had him catch it, but zhang fei needed to be killed off, as soon as the arrow flies, Huang has no control over what happens anymore. Just my thoughts, I did a ton of research for this and my top 50 strongest characters vid so I think it's as accurate as it can get until DW10 come sout
@@TheNightowlGaming honestly that’s a great explanation this is kinda debates I love so props for that - happy to be here if you keep up this mini series I’d even be happy to become a member not sure if that costs etc but the amount of work your putting in I’d be more than happy to get onboard with that - e.g the show death battle on TH-cam I really like but this is like that but with my favourite series and I’m all for that - ps Samarai warriors version of this would be lit especially Honda vs lubu is a must I agree with the animation there cool as hell anyway and yeah you can only do so much but there still a cool addition and personally I thought that was a great animation I agree guan yu is a little overrated but I still believe if you put it to a vote he would get the most votes to be last man standing Zhang fei is a tough one cause his impulsiveness kinda means he could be last man standing or first to die so I understand why he had to fall cause it’s hit and miss Also just to put it out there pang de whilst yes he isn’t guan yu he is renowned as one of the toughest generals in the whole era but the games dont elaborate on him enough he kind falls into that category of people like xu zhu zhou tai and tai shi ci where despite by legend arguably being up there as the strongest there just simply isn’t enough info about them to rank them among the best, but mark my words there is no shame in losing a one on one to pang de. In a simple duel I think he could take most of these guys but it a battle mid war he loses to a lot of them if that makes sense not sure if it does it’s late where I am but the games doesn’t do pang de justice from what i understand Just to be clear im not challenging your knowledge I started watching you 2 days ago and im learning a lot I didn’t know so I may be wrong In conclusion I feel as though in a five vs five shu wins however if these five assembled armies and went to war with the military might wei takes it by a landslide
Honestly was expecting Dian Wei to get up despite his injuries (since Zhou didnt double tap him) and sac himself holding Zhou in place so Zhang could finish the battle. It could've been a nod to his defence of Cao Cao despite his injuries from Jia Xius traps and plots
100% that's why I did the arrow in the back, with the small amount of time that I could get with the animation I tried to show as much as possible, but only so much that could be done, glad u liked it!
I really enjoyed the video it was great! Do you know anyone who is in the Dynasty warriors modding community? I think you would do awesome and have the creativity to put together some match ups kinda like the ( Elden Ring ) community does. Like seeing the animation and also getting to see an in game 5v5 all npc match up would be cool
Glad you enjoyed it! No i dont know anyone in the mod community but it would be cool to mod the game to implement battles of who would come out on top, but my modding knowledge for DW is non existent lol
Zhao Yun wouldve killed Zhang Liao man.. hes waaay batter waaay more skilled faster and just a GOAT.. the ending just showed me the truth!! Your for wei. Point blank and simple. So do better man. Do actuallity. Put aside his loyalty for Liu Bei but even if Zhao Yun didnt meet Shu he wouldve bodied Zhang Liao no problem and you know it
Mm I don't think so, the ending isn't a representation of a 1 v 1 between the characters, the entire animation is a representation of a team battle but due to budget and animation constraints its shown as multiple 1 v 1s, the teamwork and cohesiveness of Wei outdos the characters form Shu, don't believe me? Look at hefei, Yue Jin, li dian, Zhang liao, Hao Zhao and others, small unit outnumbered 1 to 125 and because of Liaos decisiveness they won, the teamwork can not be overlooked, in a 1v1 idk who would win ID have to sit down and analyze but in a team battle, the 5 from Wei have the advantage
@TheNightowlGaming of course lol coming from a wei fan.. you may believe what you say is true which is ok. But your wrong. He literally killed 2 or 3 (have to re-watch it) and was still alive.. if only you were just a fan of the game itself I could believe you more but your a cheerleader for wei. And like I said lol it's ok.. but Shu would devastate wei
@@ianbattiest3448 lol okay, I understand now, no matter what I say that is what you'll chalk it up to, i respect all opinions but imo this is the way it would be, very high diff, thats it. appreciate u watchin.
I'd love to see Wu in one of these fights, but I think in terms of great warriors they would get pummeled. So a video with the strategists of the three kingdoms would fit them better
Lol, it was a little dorky, but a fun video nonetheless. I'm surprised you chose to leave out Xiahou Dun though, from the Wei side. I always felt like he was "the guy" of Wei. At least early on. I could be wrong though, my perspectives on the series are from my childhood lenses, lol.
@@TheNightowlGamingsee that's what I'm saying man your a wei rider.. so of course you ANALYZE and actually put the actions of Shu which did lead to their defeat but if Guan Yu wasn't betrayed by his own men and killed by the wei army then Shu based off ability strength and skill would've beat wei for ure
In ROTK series i think Shu have slight edge. They have Zhao Yun, Guan Yu, Zhang Fei, Ma Chao, Huang Zhong. They have better War stat than 5 Wei highest War stat
War stat I dont go off of, it's hard to just use those as blanket wins when the feats and things the characters have done in the novel & games really show off thier skill, historically, maybe, but even then Wei was the one who technically won it all.. teamwork was impeccabllee for them
Shu would beat Wei not by much but they would definitely win . Zhang Liao is a badass but C'mon how they going to do Guan YU Zhang Fei Zhao Yun and Liu Bei like that when GY ZF and LB was able to hold off the Mighty Lu Bu. Guan Yu vs Zhang Liao = Tie Zhang Fei vs Dian Wei = ZF win by a little Zhao Yun vs Xu Huang = Tie Ma Chao vs Yue Jun = Ma Chao win Huang Zhong vs Zhang He = Huang Zhong win If you ever played ROT3K you would see that Koei rate the Shu general Stat pretty high compared to the Wei general.
For sure, its a tough matchup either way however, the teamwork between wei vs shu is significant, the kingdom of Wei's cohesiveness is honestly what carries them over AND Zhang Liao beat GY, ZF & ZY all at once in DW7, there's a huge point there too, of course I cant go into everything and with limited funds I cant create the most accurate depiction I want with the animation, but the results are a conglomeration of everything put together between all characters not just what was said/shown in the vid, for time & money sake I had to keep most information out, I do respect the take as it is a very very close matchup
@@TheNightowlGaming Keep up the good work can't wait for the new DW. My Top 5 warrior 1. Lu Bu 2. Guan Yu 3. Zhang Liao 4. Zhang Fei 5. Xu Huang Honorable mention - Xiahou Dun - Wei Yan - Dian Wei - Ma Chao - Zhao Yun - Taishi Ci - Zhou Tai - Gan Ning -
Have only watched the opening, which was sick. But I have to say...as a Romance of the Three Kingdoms but, this is so stacked in Shu's favor. How can the Wei folks you picked even begin to challenge the Five Tiger Generals? Also, you totally should've put Xiahou Dun instead of Yue Jin in there. Dian Wei though is terrifying.
With Dun his historical counterpart would bring him down since im averaging everything, on an average of all sources, Yue Jin is stronger than Dun, I shouldve put Xu Zhu over Yue Jin, but his in game iteration be slacking..
I dislike shu but i still wont say they suck. They probably got the strongest officer line up out of the gate infact. They fall off hard shortly afterFan Castle though
lol Fei getting drunk and sniped is canon, but with Wei's team cohesion and Zhang He being basically a strategist, they would come out on top through strategy vs the physicla/brute strength
If Wei didn't have Zhang Liao, they would have lost. I think the dude could have soloed Shu, or at least out of 5of them he would win against like he did in the game
😂 Dan! yeah it was tough to depict a team battle in the 1v1s, the death of Yu to Liao isnt a representative 1v1 but it takes into account all of the teams flaws and weaknesses and I just had Liao kill Yu to represent that
I'm actually ok with that part. I think there nobody else he could lose to honestly. Even though I disagree with the overall outcome. I think Shu really should've had this. A team with Guan Yu Zhoe Yun and Zhang Fei should defeat literally anyone else in this game I believe. I'd say they are the top fighters in this match up and they all on 1 side. This should've been a clap
Xu Huang would bail out, he only took action in battles he knew he would win.. Zhang Liao would likely be the last man standing vs Shu with Yunchang, Bacho and Zilong left.. Zhang Liao is such a bad ass that he is pretty much a second Lu Bu.. this would be a battle similar to the three brothers vs Lu Bu.. i would have no doubt thar Zhang Liao could find a way to win this.. but Zilong and Yunchang prove to be just a little bit much for him.. now think about a world where Mengde actually decided to trust Lu Bu.. Cao Cao would have won it all for sure..
Can definitely agree with most you said, Xu Huang bailing out in almost a cowardice way? Idk about that, and Liao taking all 3 would not be an easy win, but with a strategist like Zhang He on the side of Wei where Shu has only pure generals + the team cohesiveness Wei I think would take it but just barely, Lu Bu w Cao Cao would be Game OVer
@@TheNightowlGaming it's always been said he would only take part in battles he was sure he would win.. the defeat of yunchang was prime example cause it was two squads vs yunchang..
I dislike shu but i still wont say they suck. They probably got the strongest officer line up out of the gate infact. They fall off hard shortly after Fan Castle though
@@TheNightowlGaming fair enough. It was more of a personal opinion. The 5 included were the Five Tiger Generals of Shu, so it makes sense why you chose the 5 you did. Though I think the 5 Shu generals would beat the 5 Wei generals here.... Guan Yu + Ma Chao is an insane combo.
@@thomasanastos2815 they are pretty strong, but I think the team cohesiveness would be working against the team of Shu and thats what led to Wei just slighty eeking out a win
Before watching, I say that Shu will win the fight there is no doubt about that, but wei will be carried hard by Zhang Liao (and probably Xu Huang too)
Their teamwork carries hard for them, the margin in which they win is very small, definitely a close match but the forces of wei got the dub on this one
Remake this but five tiger generals vs wei five elite generals, yujin instead of dian wei (history records). Also take battle accomplishments into account
@@TheNightowlGaming how about do a 1 v 1 series or even a 2 v 2 (you had a video about the best duos) of characters who you see fit. Something like zhuge liang vs sima yi, cao cao vs liu bei. Guan yu zhang fei vs the xiahou bros
@@희연-g9u definitely working on it! The animation part is expensive to make, so as much as I would love to pump out these kind of vids its hard when i include the animation, ive been thinking of ways to do it without the animation but i just dont feel like it would be as good
@@AnyThing-et3us Random Game ? lmao its based on the characters from history and novel, the novel is amazing piece of literature. From the knowledge of history I know, Zhang Liao & Sun Jian has him beat by default
Yun is the only person who can 1v1 Bu? Idk about that, my top 5 in the top 50 strongest i say could handle themselves, in a 1v1 Liao might not win against Yun but in a 5v5 where teamwork and strategies matter, Wei gets the edge ever so slightly, appreciate the comment! 🙏
Guan Yu and Zhang Fei can take out Wei all by themselves, then there's Zhuge Liang, Wei never had a chance until Sima Yi came along, Cao Cao was always too arrogant otherwise he alone would have been undefeatable
perhaps, they were incredibly strong for sure, but i think the teamwork aspect for Wei is what pushes them over, there's a reason Wei is the origin of unification for the 3k, Guan Yu and Zhang Fei as a duo vs anyone is def a win except for maybe Lu Bu & Zhang LIao
@@TheNightowlGaming Yeah your right, the amount of times Zhang Liao defeated me with just a few hits and Lu Bu with just one hit, definitely the strongest duo.
I liked it but I wonder why you have "Shus Five Tiger Generals" (Guan Yu, Zhang Fei, Huang Zhong, Ma Chao, Zhao Yun) fight four of The Five Elite Generals of Wei (Zhang He, Zhang Liao, Yue Jun, Xu Huang) and then Replace Yu Jin With Cao Cao´s bodyguard Dian Wei. I would have wanted Yu Jin to replace Dian Wei and see which of the 5 "Generals" would have won.
HAHAHAHA GUAN YU LOSING, ma chao as well. This is bs. Guan Yu, zhang fei, ma chao and zhao yun. This roster alone is goated. Overrated wei, especially dian wei 💀
Perhaps, but from a teamwork aspect they got the edge, there's a reason wei technically won it all, the 5 from wei have a cohesiveness that would exploit Shus weakness and push their strength and they actually have a strategist on thei team with Zhang He while Shu, yes they're intelligent, they're nowhere near strategjst vs great generals and skill, very close match-up but putting EVERYTHING together I think wei wins it, also Wei outlives most of the Shu characters 🤙
Wei team would win without a doubt. Shu is too overexaggerated, especially how some of Zhao Yun's accomplishments were actually acheived by Chen Dao. Guan Yu never killed Hua Xiong, Wen Chou, nor those 5 gate generals, and all Ma Chao did was sit in Han Zhong because Cao Cao was scared of him.
Bruh that animation was SICK! Subscribed
Thanks yoU!!! Appreciate it !
When Zhang Liao dies by wu wasn't he a really old man..... and still was a menace. Zhang Fei being a drunken mess at times would be the thing to also hurt Shu
100% yeah Zhang liao in history died after being injured when an arrow shot by ding feng hit him in the thigh, in dw7 he gets stabbed by sun quan
Historically Zhang Liao died of illness not injured by an arrow. And he's still a great threat for Sun Quan.
The Sanguozhi related that, especially before the battle of Dongkou at 222 between Wei and Wu during the reign of Cao Pi. At this time Zhang Liao was still a threat for Sun Quan despite his old âge.
The biaised book Romance of Three Kingdoms ignored that fact I wonder why ... Surely to restore the honor of Wu 😊. This is why Zhang Liao is definively the best general of Three Kingdoms.
@@hamst8236 yesh dudes got like 4 different deaths lol dudes a beast
@@TheNightowlGamingreally so Ding Feng shot Zhang Liao w an arrow n hit him in a thigh dam how old was Zhang Liao?
@@hamst8236wait so Zhang Liao died by an illness? how old was he?
This was a really cool video! I love how you use the historical aspects to get a better idea of how the fight would actually go. The animation was great too!! Fantastic video! I feel I have found a home in this community I’ve never met anyone else who has liked these games or the history as much as I do 😂
Hell yeah! I'm obsessed with three kingdoms history and Dynasty Warriors, lol😂
You absolutely found a home here! And I'm glad you are here Beauty Emperor Coven 😎😎
Nightowl drops another Banger video, worth the wait for sure
AYE YOU"RE THE REASON I COULD DO THIS (and Jill too!) Appreciate you, glad you enjoyed it! 🙏🙏
Omg the animation was so awesome on god it was so awesome so hyped the whole video as a whole was awesome man it did not disappoint one bit!
HAMZA! Appreciate you! Glad you enjoyed it! 😎
Yooo! The CHILLS I got from just watching the intro again are absolutely insane. You did such an absolutely amazing job of hyping this for all of us, it’s insane; genuinely felt like I was getting ready to watch the next big box office hit. That said, I wasn’t sure how this video was gonna go down (ie: how you were going to determine the winner), so I LOVED the various categories you popped in to truly weigh (*wink wink, nudge nudge*) in.
Also can we give a shoutout to your animator for crafting that final scene? It really gave some nice old-school anime vibes that got us all hooked in this general genre in the first place.
The amount of work, love, and research that went into this is palpable. It was 1000% worth the wait. Also highkey loved Zhang Fei getting merked by his own team… again. And I’d be a darn liar if I didn’t say I was immeasurably ecstatic that Wei > Shu. Yet another incredible video, be prepared for a series of comments as I rewatch over and over again for new things I missed the first time around. Amazing work, Nighowl. 👏🏻✨
Appreciate you Ms Empress! I honestly had to read the wink wink again cause I did not get it at first but I now see the WEIght of that comment... 👀😅😁 Always appreciate your comments and glad you enjoyed the details that went into making this vid! Animator is credited in the description as well! Cool dude
That intro 🔥
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Your best work yet. I disagree on the outcome but still loved every minute of this 🎊
And thats okay to disagree! I appreciate it! Glad you still enjoyed it!
@@TheNightowlGaming so your a wei fan?
This has to be the biggest project you've done so far.
Yeee!! Hope you enjoyed it 😊
I can’t believe you disrespected Yu Jin by replacing him with Dian Wei
LOL how's that disrespectful, I dont got anything against but, Dian Wei would schlop up Yu Jin along with everyone else in this matchup 😂
@@TheNightowlGamingYa put all 5 tiger generals together and the Wei elite…except for Yu Jin…
@@infinitememegod Yee cause 5 tiger from shu destroy 5 elite from wei, so to make it more even i put big boi in 😎
@@TheNightowlGaming yu jin was literally one of the most succesful generals of wei, overall achieved soo much more than others on this list
Zhao Yun solos all 5 of them
Damn really thought itd be Shu Zhang Fei getting hit by Huang Zhongs arrow was disrespectful 😂 love the videos man❤❤
😂😂 glad you liked it!
sad to see my guys from shu lose but wei is no joke. great vid as always man
Appreciate you Emperor Meth!
Damn, the animation was really amazing! Keep up the great work man🔥🔥🔥
Thank yo so much!
I dont know about guan yu losing 1v1 against zhang liao even though zhang liao my favorite. Zhao yun is accurate as hell just beast mode. Dian Wei as well beast mode.
It was tough to decide how to kill him, so I went with this is fan castle guan yu who seemed to lose his edge and lost a duel to pang de so I gave it to Zhang Liao, In a 1 v 1 in their primes respectively, I think Yu takes it but, the team aspect along with everything combined into both characters, I gave it to Liao, appreciate u!
@@TheNightowlGaming dude your a wei fan wdym?? Of course wei wins.. so this little whatever your doing I appreciate it but Shu is way stronger than that. The only reason Liu Bei an his empire lost is because Bei couldn't control his emotions after Yu was betrayed and murdered along with his sons..
Thing is the five elites of wei all deserve to be called great generals imo, they all had long and successful military careers spanning like 30-40+ years.
True, the tiger generals were all great warriors, but for me Huang Zhong is the only one you could call a great general, wei’s elites are just on a different level tactically + they often did work together and did so very effectively!
Absolutely they were all great generals and had a stellar track record
Actually what happened to Sun Quan after Wuzhang Plains.
I’m sure he still alive?
Yeah he lived he died around 270 I think? Way after wuzhang
well technically the successors of the Wei won...
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What an interesting idea for a vs type of scenario, this would honestly be pretty tough to decide for a lot of reasons like legit I don't know who would win here personally so I'm definitely excited to see other people's takes with something so precise.
an extremely tough decision to make for sure
@@TheNightowlGaming for sure, I mean thinking a bit about it for a little bit I think ultimately wei would come out with the "W" in this situation it's the whole teamwork and comradeery aspect that really made the difference to me, cus the wei forces have always just demonstrated top tier teamwork and comradeery in pretty much every game so it makes sense for them to eventually wear shu down.
Meanwhile the Wu Officers are crying in the corner 😂😭
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Funnily enough, Wu lasted longer than both of them, if you don't count Jin as a part of Weu
@@nabillahlabat5570 Didn't a bunch of Wei convert to Jin?
Me personally I’m a Wei fan
Nicee 😎😎
The animation is amazing TEAM WEI FOR LIFE
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zhang fei dying of friendly fire was a perfect stroke haha
Haha glad u enjoyed it!
I used to be team shu when i was younger until i watched the series and realised Liu Bei and his sworn brothers became arrogant which lead to their deaths,
Now im Team Wei since when they made a mistake they right that wrong
Yeah, each kingdom has it's own flaws and weaknesses, it all depends on your own choice and preferences
100% And I agree with the other comment, every kingdom 100% has their flaws, I still like the way the games display the characters, still makes them likeable characters, which I enjoy
@@TheNightowlGaming there are some people in shu I like but I cannot stand liu bei and his brothers they ruined things for themselves and instead of blaming themselves they blamed everyone else
Cao Cao when he made a mistake he owns it and never blamed other people, unless it was other people who did do something wrong
Hmm only Guan Yu's death should be tied with his arrogance.
@@brendenreecegaming284 Well that's not fair as Cao Cao did said '"If Guo Fengxiao was around, I wouldn't have ended up like this' after the battle of Chibi. But actually Jia Xiu did warned Cao Cao not to further attack Sun Quan after occupying the province of Jing.
I agree with the outcome man! I’ve been team Wei ever since DW2 but this is my UNBIASED opinion. Individually, Shu is stronger but what will eventually lead to their downfall is their egos. For example, Guan Yu wanted to duel Ma Chao to see if he earned his right to be one of the 5 Shu Tiger Generals. On the other hand, Wei is united my one common purpose and that’s to see Cao Cao’s dreams come to fruition.
Same here bro! This series will forever hold a special place in my heart. Been playing this series since DW2! But out of all DW games, DW3 is my GOAT. 🤙🏾
Yes! Thats what came down to deciding Wei, Cause in the animation im limited to show how shu would really dissolve in this fight, the only real hint to it was zhang fei's friendly fire death, but Wei's teamwork I think would put them over the edge for this one for sure
that's Five Tiger Generals of shu
It sure iss
Fire ass video man my favorite was the animated duels towards the end between shu and Wei Man U elevating on this channel I been subscribed for a few months and watched all your videos keep feeding us content man I love three kingdoms and Dw games 🔥🔥🔥
Ayee I appreciate that very much & glad you been enjoying the content!
Wei GOATED
wei always best but still goted
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Man the other designs are fire 🤯 especially Xu Huang and Zhang He
Haha yep!
Yo Huang Zhong friendly fire, friendly fire! NOOOO 😭 Bro that fight was brutal I loved it! Im glad you took into account all other aspects other than the novel and games because just going by the novel itself it would be an easy win for Shu. Got to take historical aspects into account for these comparisons to work! Zhang Liao I've got to rate in terms of overall feats, leadership skills, and fictional portrayal as the one being able to outlast the Shu general onslaught and even do a little 2 vs 1 action there. I think Zhang Liao under Lu Bu would have Guan Yu get the better of him, but peak He Fei era Zhang Liao when he was in straight up kill mode? Guan Yu might have his head lopped off. Zhao Yun had some crazy cool action in there too!
I freaking love this types of what if videos and character comparisons. My favorite content from you and I will always be looking forward to a review series of the mainline games when you get around to it! I know that would be a big project for you so I can wait a long time for those videos to come out.
Looking at the animation has got me thinking, DW needs an M rated title with blood and maybe even dismemberment. It adds so much more to the fights as well as the warriors. I can only dream that they would go that route.
Suggestion: Now maybe Shu can make a comeback with a 5 vs 5 against Wu generals? For Wu's 5 maybe Gan Ning, Taishi Ci, Zhou Tai, Lu Meng, and Ling Tong? I think it would be a heck of a matchup! Keep it coming bro!
BILLY! Yeah Fei had to go down from that lol! And yeah it was tough to decide and because it is a team battle instead of 1 v 1 and the limited amount I could do with the animation, I had to kill certain people at certain times and all that, another 5 v 5 will be way later cause Ill need to fundraise up again and all that! and the reviews for the games are written, i just dont know where to start with those, but they will happen! Appreciate u!
@@TheNightowlGaming I totally get that! It doesn't matter how long these videos take, because boy they are absolute treats when they hit my notifications! What sets you apart from other DW creators is your high tier quality videos and your fans would rather have the quality than quantity for sure. 💪
I’m gonna be honest shu all the way like I’m not being biased, but they have the reach of their weapons. They have reach and speed and they have strength. They also have the Marshall. Powers they also have tacticians military experience off the Ying yang, and they all work very very well together, like the only one that might be a little out of it would be macho. But even then he can hold his own and he’s not stupid. He might break formation, but he would stay close enough for his team to help him out. He could also break formation to other team members while he’s engaged with an enemy like this is no way that shu can lose there’s only two warriors on Wei now if you were to put their leaders in the equation, that would be a turning point one of the very few, but even then I still think they would win
Great video, no way that would be the outcome tho. But I can't be mad at a fellow DW fan^^
Hahah I appreciate that and glad you enjoyed! Definitely a tough bout 💪💪
Awesome video . I hope one day koei techmo and omega force make an m rated dynasty warriors game.
That would be sick!! They kind of did it with Wo Long but yeah a DW game rated M would be great! Or at least like the option to turn it on!
I have been so long waiting for this video❤
Hope it was worth the wait 🙌
Calling Zhang He well-endowed twice, and based off how much I've seen you love him in some of your other videos, you're totally gay for him ;)
HAHAH AYOOOOO 😂😂 he is my dude 😎
fun fact zhou yun was also known as the immortal general they even made a movie of his life
Yep it was said he was never scratched!
damn the opening got me to sub to you lol
haha I appreciate that!
Poor Zhang He got spanked but to be fair it really could've gone either way.
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Uhh, you actually swapped out Li Dian, not Yue Jin.
For the 5 elite generals? Yu Jin is the last 5th one, not Li Dian
I did not expect the outcome - underestimated Dian Wei's input I suppose. I'm glad we agree that Shu would've won if it was against the original Elite Five (even though I like Wei much more than I do Shu 😬)
I enjoyed watching this a lot, devoured the whole vid in one breath. Thanks for your hard work, The Nightowl!
Leo! Appreciate you and your kind words!
Man it was so weird seeing some of my favorites have a gruesome death 😂
Awesome video!
😂 glad you enjoyed it!
I see that Dian Wei replaces Yu Jin. Maybe Xu Chu instead of Yue Jin. xD
We gonna have a Ma Chao vs Xu Chu rematch.
Xu Chu is one tough cookie i tell ya
Lord have mercy….what an epic intro. I can’t wait until this channel takes off. You’re putting in the work bro. It’ll pay off 👍🏽💪🏽
I appreciate the kind words very much! I hope so! 🙏
Dope intro bro!
Appreciate it very much!
awesome animation we need more if these 5v5
Im glad you enjoyed it!!
Good stuff lol but i honestly wouldn’t think zhang could beat Guan Yu
him "killing" GUan yu in the animation isnt representative of a 1v1 its a conglomeration of the all the characters and I had to kill him with someone lol
This was fine. I disagree what Zhang Liao could beat Guan Yu especially with no help. Yeah i understand Zhang Liao's feats at He Fei but Guan Yu's a Fan Castle is similar, they both died in their respective scenarios but if you took Guan Yu and put him in Zhang Liao's scenario it's hard to see him dying vs putting Zhang Laio in Guan Yu's fan castle scenario.
Zhao Yun 2 v 1ing and beating Dian Wei during it? Ehh.
Huang Zhong shooting Zhang Fei in the eye by accident? Idk, Zhang Fei is only messy when he's drunk. Sober and Focus Zhang Fei is right beside Guan Yu in every aspect. Li Dian i don't think should be here over Xu Chu who is basically the capable replacement to Dian Wei for Cao Cao when he passes away.
I have a lot of disagreements to how this all went down. Good job with the effect nonetheless though
With the animation, I have a lot of limitations on what I could actually show + I couldn't talk about everything for each character, the reason characters died certain ways was because of those limitations. In a team aspect, that's what is taking a lot of the characters out along with their weaknesses and flaws. Everything is considered for this, also Li Dian isn't in this. Also Zhang liao didnt die at Hefei, he died of illness, his death in the games/novel is fabricated. There's a lot of small details I had to keep out due to time, like Zhao Yun being nearly perfect in history & lots of others, more than happy to discuss alot of research and time went into this vid 😁
Not sure I agree with the end result based on how much of a beast Guan Yu is generally depicted as, I mean you don't get called the "God of War" for no reason. Now granted the only one of Wei that I think stands a chance of beating him would be Zhang Liao, but overall I just don't see Zhang Fei or Ma Chao going down that easy. Ma Chao was debatably only tied for 2nd behind Guan Yu in terms of battle prowess. As I believe that Zhao Yun, Zhang Fei and Ma Chao are in a three-way tie. Zhang Fei being there due to his resilience and raw power, Zhao Yun for his martial skill and prowess, and Ma Chao for his mix of strength and martial skill. Huang Zhong is definitely the weakest of the five but that's only due to his age, his skill and prowess are why he's so dangerous, it's just that age will dull you at a certain point. Also Ma Chao cause of death is a grey area, fairly unknown, but it's more so accepted that he died of illness, which given how much fighting happened throughout his life speaks to his strength. Though regardless it was an interesting video.
glad you enjoyed it! the strongest factor for Wei is there teamwork, Wei is able to work much more together as a unit than Shu ever did, the animation I can only show so much due to budget and time, but in terms of pure tactics of the 5, Wei has a strong advantage, among the 5 Shu none of them are tacticians, but Zhang He on Wei was said to be so adaptable he was pretty much a strategist and navigating his other 4 teammates to get an advantage over the boisterous Guan Yu, Fei and Ma Chao they would find a way to overcome them, definitely is a close one but Wei as a team and faction is monstrous, theres a reason the origin of unification is in Wei
Wowwww. This was really awesome!!!!!
Thanks Quez!!
Zhange He was really talented. Remember seeing that Zhunge Liang feared Zhange He says something
Yup! Him and Liu Bei both
Much respect to you for including Ma Chao in this. As my all time favorite officer, biased or not, I always felt like he was very unappreciated in the games.
Definitely dwindled in content as the games went on, such a shame, only 1 cutscene in dw6 & dw9 (not including dlc)
That was brilliant lunch break viewing 💯 subbed instantly and can't wait to get Origins to get back into the franchise, currently getting my 'fix' with One Piece Pirate Warriors but nothing is like the first love lol so bring on the new game ASAP.
Haha glad you enjoyed the video! I'm definitely excited for Origins!
Historical analysis
Wei side
Zhang Liao - the living horror that haunted Sun Wu. 11/10 General. This guy overshadows every other general in Wei.
Dian Wei - I also agree Yu Jin's later moments were not great. Dian Wei is probably the more impressive General. Koei Tecmo seemed to rolled both Dian Wei and Xu Chu to make their DW character. Actually made Lu Bu retreat. 10/10 bodyguard. Can't say much about general career because it's too short lived but the fact he pushed Lu Bu back should make him at least a 7/10. Honestly Yu Jin would have been a 8/10 if I squinted my eyes hard enough to ignore his downfall.
Yue Jin - Was there defending Hefei castle against the insane odd. But that feat is overshadowed by Zhang Liao. He was nevertheless consistent throughout the career. Notably he fought Guan Yu and drove him away. 8/10
Xu Huang - Also fought Guan Yu and won. I'm starting to think the odds might be against the Shu here. Underrated. Had a long military career under Cao Cao and Cao Pi and never lost. The account of him being shot in the forehead by Meng Da was fictional. He died of illness. 9/10
Zhang He - Originally Yuan Shao's general but Yuan Shao didn't value him and his insights. Surrendered to Cao Cao when he had enough of Yuan Shao's incompetence and arrogance. In my opinion, such maneuvre should be more highly regarded. And it turns out he's a beast and Yuan Shao should have listened to him. Zhuge Liang's first Northern Expedition was a disaster. This guy was the reason. He pursued after Zhuge Liang and got killed in an ambush in Mount Qi. It's not clear if he volunteered to do that or Sima Yi ordered him. 8/10
Overall: 43.
Shu side
Guan Yu - I'm afraid impressions on this guy has been twisted by fictions and exaggerations. Slaying Hua Xiong easily when Hua Xiong was seemingly invincible, well, invincible Hua Xiong was fictional. Historically, Hua Xiong didn't have any notable achievement. Same for Yan Liang and Wen Chou. It wasn't that he spared Cao Cao in battle of Chi Bi, he was driven away by overwhelming reinforcement. Still, he did kick asses. 7/10
Zhao Yun - Oh boy. The scary thing about this guy is the story of him rushing back north in the battle of Changban to rescue Liu Shan and Lady Gan seems historically accurate. Although we don't know how it was done and if there was really an effort by Cao's army to exterminate them. The battle of Changban was a defeat for him, but that is because Cao Cao was a better general than Liu Bei. He fought Cao Cao force in the battle of Han river with terrible odd, and outwitted Cao Cao completely. He didn't devastate Cao Cao the way Zhang Liao did Sun Quan, but he didn't manage to catch Cao Cao by surprise, and Cao Cao was a much better general than Sun Quan. 10/10
Zhang Fei - He wasn't drunk and lost Xiapi to Lu Bu. Lu Bu was just too strong for him. This makes him a better general in my opinion, rather than the fictional account. Didn't shout and kill Xiahou Jie at Changban, but was a good rearguard. Fought Zhang He with an advantage and won. If I squinted my eyes hard enough he's 8/10.
Huang Zhong - Highly regarded by all. Interestingly there isn't many thing recorded about him other than the Battle of Dingjun, but that was an impressive battle. 7/10
Ma Chao - Historically this guy was reputedly inhumane, but let's not hold that against him as a general. He lost to Cao Cao, but really he lost to Jia Xu, whom I think is probably the smartest guy overall in that period. This guy started his career in the worst situation of all these generals and suffered a string of failures, but I think if it had been anyone else, they would have died quite early. He only lived because he was so violent and vicious. 7/10
Overall: 39
Wei wins for me. Honestly even before deep analysis, just Zhang Liao alone gives me the impression that Wei wins.
Love the deep insight and analysis of both, it could go both ways, but as you saw I give the edge to Wei in this team deathmatch!
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Thank you! I appreciate the kind words very much!
@TheNightowlGaming also you seem to be one of the few people that enjoyed DW9.
I would love if u could make a video about why you like dw9. Because I'm loving every minute of it
I could be extremely biased but when watching this, the whole time im just like theres no Fing way Shu would lose, that team is stacked especially with Guan Yu
That's totally fair! I think the team aspect is what would kill it for Shu, I couldnt do a super extravagant animation, so I did what I could with the limited time and resources, but yeah thats what tipped them over
@@TheNightowlGaming I agree, I’ll even admit being a Shu fan that their team skills has always been rough and their downfall lowkey without Zhuge Liang. Although I do believe in this scenario the only one holding the team back in this is Ma chao but only in terms of team coordination. even without Liu Bei, Guan Yu and Zhang Feis brotherly connection in combat is probably one of their strongest traits. And Huang Zhong I do agree is probably the heavily underrated, Id even go as far to say the most but thats me. Huang Zhong just works good with anybody in team coordination. He literally was one of the only people that actually worked with Wei Yan instead of fearing him
@@drasticmeasures4136 very true, definitely a slim margin for sure and it a simulation of 100 battles I think itd be pretty even both ways
@@TheNightowlGaming I agree honestly. If you keep making these fight scenarios try a free for all of the 3 OGs, Liu Bei, Cao Cao and Sun Jian. Just as a suggestion
@@drasticmeasures4136 For sure, thats a good idea
Man I love this series and I’m so invested please make more.
I agree with the assessment up until you said zhang fei dies to friendly fire, even if we overlook he is one of the strongest of all of them the bigger problem is huang zhong doesn’t miss and for him to make the mistake of shooting his own team mate is a big no for me
I feel as tho dian wei is one of my favourite out of the bunch he also is likely to be one of the first dispatched as he has never shown he is capable of competing with someone of the level of zhang. I admit in a one on one I would probally choose dian wei as an opponent last due to his scary nature but in terms of feats and experience he ranks quite low here all though being biased I’m glad he looked so good here.
I believe shu would win due to the above points however If zhang fei fell this would be the correct outcome
Also Zhang Liao and guan yu fight i personally don’t believe would end that way not cause I think the result is wrong but simply I don’t see either being able to kill the other. ( if I had to pick one I do believe guan yu would win in a one on one given he was the god of war and is famous for only being matchable by Lubu
PS if you ever did a podcast on this I would absolutely love to get involved I always love there hypothetical battles but have no one else interested to have the discussions with
All in all whilst I disagree you sure earned that subscribe good work keep it up
I appreciate the sub! More coming!
So its tough, I have to showcase the conglomerate of everything of a character within that small animation, so if you take only the positives of Zhang Fei/Guan Yu they certainly come out on top. However, you ahve to take that Guan Yu has shown to been beaten by Zhang Liao (DW7) if not at least similar strength (DW5) and Im taking those as canon events since they were part of the story for the main games. Also Guan Yu lost to Pang De who is significantly weaker AND Guan Yu couldnt defeat Ji Ling where Zhang Fei could. He's immensely powerful but with everything considered he falls to Zhang Liao who's basically had a perfect record and his only real stub is his death in DW7. Also, Huang Zhong is amazing but, if he shoots an arrow he can no longer curve the arrow, Jiang Wei caught an arrow shot by Guo Huai and used it to kill him and he's significantly weaker than Dian Wei. I could've had him catch it, but zhang fei needed to be killed off, as soon as the arrow flies, Huang has no control over what happens anymore. Just my thoughts, I did a ton of research for this and my top 50 strongest characters vid so I think it's as accurate as it can get until DW10 come sout
@@TheNightowlGaming honestly that’s a great explanation this is kinda debates I love so props for that - happy to be here if you keep up this mini series I’d even be happy to become a member not sure if that costs etc but the amount of work your putting in I’d be more than happy to get onboard with that - e.g the show death battle on TH-cam I really like but this is like that but with my favourite series and I’m all for that - ps Samarai warriors version of this would be lit especially Honda vs lubu is a must
I agree with the animation there cool as hell anyway and yeah you can only do so much but there still a cool addition and personally I thought that was a great animation
I agree guan yu is a little overrated but I still believe if you put it to a vote he would get the most votes to be last man standing
Zhang fei is a tough one cause his impulsiveness kinda means he could be last man standing or first to die so I understand why he had to fall cause it’s hit and miss
Also just to put it out there pang de whilst yes he isn’t guan yu he is renowned as one of the toughest generals in the whole era but the games dont elaborate on him enough he kind falls into that category of people like xu zhu zhou tai and tai shi ci where despite by legend arguably being up there as the strongest there just simply isn’t enough info about them to rank them among the best, but mark my words there is no shame in losing a one on one to pang de. In a simple duel I think he could take most of these guys but it a battle mid war he loses to a lot of them if that makes sense not sure if it does it’s late where I am but the games doesn’t do pang de justice from what i understand
Just to be clear im not challenging your knowledge I started watching you 2 days ago and im learning a lot I didn’t know so I may be wrong
In conclusion I feel as though in a five vs five shu wins however if these five assembled armies and went to war with the military might wei takes it by a landslide
24:52 it turned into Adventure Quest
Yooooo thats a throwback and a half haha, but thats all my budget could afford, animation is expensive! 😁
Honestly was expecting Dian Wei to get up despite his injuries (since Zhou didnt double tap him) and sac himself holding Zhou in place so Zhang could finish the battle. It could've been a nod to his defence of Cao Cao despite his injuries from Jia Xius traps and plots
100% that's why I did the arrow in the back, with the small amount of time that I could get with the animation I tried to show as much as possible, but only so much that could be done, glad u liked it!
6:31 The lost of Dian Wei was due to Cao Cao's fetish of sleeping with other people wives
Yahh he loved those married women
I really enjoyed the video it was great! Do you know anyone who is in the Dynasty warriors modding community? I think you would do awesome and have the creativity to put together some match ups kinda like the ( Elden Ring ) community does. Like seeing the animation and also getting to see an in game 5v5 all npc match up would be cool
Glad you enjoyed it! No i dont know anyone in the mod community but it would be cool to mod the game to implement battles of who would come out on top, but my modding knowledge for DW is non existent lol
I can't wait until the next video
appreciate it!
Awesome video!! Haha for me its Shu dynasty that takes! Haha 👌👍🔥
Haha glad you enjoyed it!
Zhao Yun wouldve killed Zhang Liao man.. hes waaay batter waaay more skilled faster and just a GOAT.. the ending just showed me the truth!! Your for wei. Point blank and simple. So do better man. Do actuallity. Put aside his loyalty for Liu Bei but even if Zhao Yun didnt meet Shu he wouldve bodied Zhang Liao no problem and you know it
Mm I don't think so, the ending isn't a representation of a 1 v 1 between the characters, the entire animation is a representation of a team battle but due to budget and animation constraints its shown as multiple 1 v 1s, the teamwork and cohesiveness of Wei outdos the characters form Shu, don't believe me? Look at hefei, Yue Jin, li dian, Zhang liao, Hao Zhao and others, small unit outnumbered 1 to 125 and because of Liaos decisiveness they won, the teamwork can not be overlooked, in a 1v1 idk who would win ID have to sit down and analyze but in a team battle, the 5 from Wei have the advantage
@TheNightowlGaming of course lol coming from a wei fan.. you may believe what you say is true which is ok. But your wrong. He literally killed 2 or 3 (have to re-watch it) and was still alive.. if only you were just a fan of the game itself I could believe you more but your a cheerleader for wei. And like I said lol it's ok.. but Shu would devastate wei
@@ianbattiest3448 lol okay, I understand now, no matter what I say that is what you'll chalk it up to, i respect all opinions but imo this is the way it would be, very high diff, thats it. appreciate u watchin.
I'd love to see Wu in one of these fights, but I think in terms of great warriors they would get pummeled. So a video with the strategists of the three kingdoms would fit them better
definitely need to get those in!
Lol, it was a little dorky, but a fun video nonetheless. I'm surprised you chose to leave out Xiahou Dun though, from the Wei side. I always felt like he was "the guy" of Wei. At least early on.
I could be wrong though, my perspectives on the series are from my childhood lenses, lol.
Aye nothing wrong with that lol I appreciate the kind words! 🙏🙏 I left Dun out cause his historical information wouldve put them in the dirt lol
@@TheNightowlGamingsee that's what I'm saying man your a wei rider.. so of course you ANALYZE and actually put the actions of Shu which did lead to their defeat but if Guan Yu wasn't betrayed by his own men and killed by the wei army then Shu based off ability strength and skill would've beat wei for ure
I'm glad that you substitute Yu Jin for Dian Wei because otherwise the fight could have been a bit more one-sided to Shu.
100% even in this fight it was a slim margin they come out on top, Wei's teamwork and coordination would be their biggest help for a fight like this
100% correct outcome
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In ROTK series i think Shu have slight edge. They have Zhao Yun, Guan Yu, Zhang Fei, Ma Chao, Huang Zhong. They have better War stat than 5 Wei highest War stat
War stat I dont go off of, it's hard to just use those as blanket wins when the feats and things the characters have done in the novel & games really show off thier skill, historically, maybe, but even then Wei was the one who technically won it all.. teamwork was impeccabllee for them
Shu would beat Wei not by much but they would definitely win . Zhang Liao is a badass but C'mon how they going to do Guan YU Zhang Fei Zhao Yun and Liu Bei like that when GY ZF and LB was able to hold off the Mighty Lu Bu.
Guan Yu vs Zhang Liao = Tie
Zhang Fei vs Dian Wei = ZF win by a little
Zhao Yun vs Xu Huang = Tie
Ma Chao vs Yue Jun = Ma Chao win
Huang Zhong vs Zhang He = Huang Zhong win
If you ever played ROT3K you would see that Koei rate the Shu general Stat pretty high compared to the Wei general.
For sure, its a tough matchup either way however, the teamwork between wei vs shu is significant, the kingdom of Wei's cohesiveness is honestly what carries them over AND Zhang Liao beat GY, ZF & ZY all at once in DW7, there's a huge point there too, of course I cant go into everything and with limited funds I cant create the most accurate depiction I want with the animation, but the results are a conglomeration of everything put together between all characters not just what was said/shown in the vid, for time & money sake I had to keep most information out, I do respect the take as it is a very very close matchup
@@TheNightowlGaming Keep up the good work can't wait for the new DW. My Top 5 warrior
1. Lu Bu
2. Guan Yu
3. Zhang Liao
4. Zhang Fei
5. Xu Huang
Honorable mention - Xiahou Dun - Wei Yan - Dian Wei - Ma Chao - Zhao Yun - Taishi Ci - Zhou Tai - Gan Ning -
@@TSlimboi dope list 😎😎
Dynasty warriors 4 will always be the best one and my favorite it had everything
Nice
Have only watched the opening, which was sick. But I have to say...as a Romance of the Three Kingdoms but, this is so stacked in Shu's favor. How can the Wei folks you picked even begin to challenge the Five Tiger Generals? Also, you totally should've put Xiahou Dun instead of Yue Jin in there. Dian Wei though is terrifying.
With Dun his historical counterpart would bring him down since im averaging everything, on an average of all sources, Yue Jin is stronger than Dun, I shouldve put Xu Zhu over Yue Jin, but his in game iteration be slacking..
I dislike shu but i still wont say they suck. They probably got the strongest officer line up out of the gate infact. They fall off hard shortly afterFan Castle though
amazing video 100% and it is tough to pick with the team shu/wei as a diehard fan of shu i would agree that wei would win very easily in the end❤
Haha nice glad u liked it!
You know I'm a WEI fanboy but aint no way this selection beating the SHU team. zhang Fei getting teamkilled is accurate af though.
lol Fei getting drunk and sniped is canon, but with Wei's team cohesion and Zhang He being basically a strategist, they would come out on top through strategy vs the physicla/brute strength
@Nightowl You forgot to mention Ma Chao's lost to Wang Yi.
I couldn't mention everything cause of time, but when did he lose to her? You talking about in dw9 when you playthrough tong gate?
@@TheNightowlGaming I was talking to about Ma Chao lost to Wang Yi in The Battle of Lucheng.
If Wei didn't have Zhang Liao, they would have lost. I think the dude could have soloed Shu, or at least out of 5of them he would win against like he did in the game
Zhang liao definitely carries
Shu's biggest mistake was shooting arrows at Dian Wei xD . I think you did Guan Yu dirty losing that fight to Zhang Liao though.
😂 Dan! yeah it was tough to depict a team battle in the 1v1s, the death of Yu to Liao isnt a representative 1v1 but it takes into account all of the teams flaws and weaknesses and I just had Liao kill Yu to represent that
I'm actually ok with that part. I think there nobody else he could lose to honestly. Even though I disagree with the overall outcome. I think Shu really should've had this. A team with Guan Yu Zhoe Yun and Zhang Fei should defeat literally anyone else in this game I believe. I'd say they are the top fighters in this match up and they all on 1 side. This should've been a clap
Xu Huang would bail out, he only took action in battles he knew he would win.. Zhang Liao would likely be the last man standing vs Shu with Yunchang, Bacho and Zilong left.. Zhang Liao is such a bad ass that he is pretty much a second Lu Bu.. this would be a battle similar to the three brothers vs Lu Bu.. i would have no doubt thar Zhang Liao could find a way to win this.. but Zilong and Yunchang prove to be just a little bit much for him.. now think about a world where Mengde actually decided to trust Lu Bu.. Cao Cao would have won it all for sure..
Can definitely agree with most you said, Xu Huang bailing out in almost a cowardice way? Idk about that, and Liao taking all 3 would not be an easy win, but with a strategist like Zhang He on the side of Wei where Shu has only pure generals + the team cohesiveness Wei I think would take it but just barely, Lu Bu w Cao Cao would be Game OVer
@@TheNightowlGaming it's always been said he would only take part in battles he was sure he would win.. the defeat of yunchang was prime example cause it was two squads vs yunchang..
I dislike shu but i still wont say they suck. They probably got the strongest officer line up out of the gate infact. They fall off hard shortly after Fan Castle though
they got some strong peeps for sure
Wei Yan should have been on the Shu team. Dude is a beast and IIRC he was a beast in the histories.
Wei Yan isn't as strong as the 5 included hut he was among the best generals from shu
@@TheNightowlGaming fair enough. It was more of a personal opinion. The 5 included were the Five Tiger Generals of Shu, so it makes sense why you chose the 5 you did. Though I think the 5 Shu generals would beat the 5 Wei generals here.... Guan Yu + Ma Chao is an insane combo.
@@thomasanastos2815 they are pretty strong, but I think the team cohesiveness would be working against the team of Shu and thats what led to Wei just slighty eeking out a win
no xiahou dun?? but stellar analysis!
Yep! No XD on this one, maybe for the next one 😁
Are you wrong of Wei ? That must be Yu Jin not Dian Wei
Nope Dian Wei will fill in for Yu Jin in this one
Before watching, I say that Shu will win the fight there is no doubt about that, but wei will be carried hard by Zhang Liao (and probably Xu Huang too)
Their teamwork carries hard for them, the margin in which they win is very small, definitely a close match but the forces of wei got the dub on this one
If it's straight up just 5 v 5 line up brawl yeah Wei wins but if they're allowed to strategize at all Shu claps easy.
I think without any strategists in these 5, shu still tops it off, Wei has Zhang he who has the ability to strategies and adapt
Remake this but five tiger generals vs wei five elite generals, yujin instead of dian wei (history records). Also take battle accomplishments into account
battle accomplishments are taken into account in historical info and in game feats, also no need for tigers vs elites cause tigers win mid diff imo
@@TheNightowlGaming how about do a 1 v 1 series or even a 2 v 2 (you had a video about the best duos) of characters who you see fit. Something like zhuge liang vs sima yi, cao cao vs liu bei. Guan yu zhang fei vs the xiahou bros
@@희연-g9u definitely working on it! The animation part is expensive to make, so as much as I would love to pump out these kind of vids its hard when i include the animation, ive been thinking of ways to do it without the animation but i just dont feel like it would be as good
@@TheNightowlGaming gameplay vid is fine. Your vids are like another hypothetical scenarios lol
Im sorry but how is xu chu is not in the top 5 ☠️☠️ beside the game he is literally a top 3 warrior in the three kingdoms history
top 3? idk about that, his in game iteration woudlve brought the team down, Dian Wei next best option 💪
@@TheNightowlGaming bro read the real history not the novel or some randome game, he was the top 1 if lu bu wasnt exist
@@AnyThing-et3us Random Game ? lmao its based on the characters from history and novel, the novel is amazing piece of literature. From the knowledge of history I know, Zhang Liao & Sun Jian has him beat by default
Wei! Love the opening with my boy. Zhang Liao❤
Glad you liked it!
if Wu didn't exist and being a third wheel, Wei wins
lol for sure
What about wu vs wei or something like that lol
I could maybe do that lol
Nah man this video is cap. Zhao Yun is the only character that can 1v1 Lu Bu. I like Zhang Liao i really do but hes not beating Zhao Yun
Yun is the only person who can 1v1 Bu? Idk about that, my top 5 in the top 50 strongest i say could handle themselves, in a 1v1 Liao might not win against Yun but in a 5v5 where teamwork and strategies matter, Wei gets the edge ever so slightly, appreciate the comment! 🙏
Guan Yu and Zhang Fei can take out Wei all by themselves, then there's Zhuge Liang, Wei never had a chance until Sima Yi came along, Cao Cao was always too arrogant otherwise he alone would have been undefeatable
perhaps, they were incredibly strong for sure, but i think the teamwork aspect for Wei is what pushes them over, there's a reason Wei is the origin of unification for the 3k, Guan Yu and Zhang Fei as a duo vs anyone is def a win except for maybe Lu Bu & Zhang LIao
@@TheNightowlGaming Yeah your right, the amount of times Zhang Liao defeated me with just a few hits and Lu Bu with just one hit, definitely the strongest duo.
@@MeliotdasD-ONE-M absolute monstrous pair, hope you enjoyed the vid! 🙏🙏
@26:52 Friendly fire will not be tolerated.
This is lies!! Too much Wei Glazinggg!!!!
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Zhang Liao on top 🎉
Yezzirrr
im a shu die hard i was gonna join wei 1st bc of Zhang Liao😂
ZL vs GY,ZF,ZY,LB that was the most badaz scene ive seen😂
Definitely one of the craziest!
@@TheNightowlGaming ya lol
historical machao was not that impressive.
id say wei will win slightly
yeah not many crazy feats, but was noted to be extremely talented fighter
Real life zhang he is badass and not gay like in Dynasty Warriors
Lol for sure
Zhang Liao would win a 1v5
😂 hes good, but all 5 at once even Liao would struggle :)
@@TheNightowlGamingStruggle? a 1 VS 5 is not even close when it comes to an arm to arm combat. It's not skyrocket science.
I liked it but I wonder why you have "Shus Five Tiger Generals" (Guan Yu, Zhang Fei, Huang Zhong, Ma Chao, Zhao Yun) fight four of The Five Elite Generals of Wei (Zhang He, Zhang Liao, Yue Jun, Xu Huang) and then Replace Yu Jin With Cao Cao´s bodyguard Dian Wei.
I would have wanted Yu Jin to replace Dian Wei and see which of the 5 "Generals" would have won.
Tiger Generals would have won, the power difference favors Shu so to help i removed the weakest member and replaced with a very strong character
HAHAHAHA GUAN YU LOSING, ma chao as well. This is bs. Guan Yu, zhang fei, ma chao and zhao yun. This roster alone is goated. Overrated wei, especially dian wei 💀
Perhaps, but from a teamwork aspect they got the edge, there's a reason wei technically won it all, the 5 from wei have a cohesiveness that would exploit Shus weakness and push their strength and they actually have a strategist on thei team with Zhang He while Shu, yes they're intelligent, they're nowhere near strategjst vs great generals and skill, very close match-up but putting EVERYTHING together I think wei wins it, also Wei outlives most of the Shu characters 🤙
Wei team would win without a doubt. Shu is too overexaggerated, especially how some of Zhao Yun's accomplishments were actually acheived by Chen Dao. Guan Yu never killed Hua Xiong, Wen Chou, nor those 5 gate generals, and all Ma Chao did was sit in Han Zhong because Cao Cao was scared of him.
Haha nicee, hope you enjoyed the vid!