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- Will a Predator 224 head make a 212 Ghost faster?
Installed a Predator 224 head on the 212 Ghost-powered Azusa minibike to see if it would add performance.
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Great comparison! Thank you!!
Love the video, I figured that 224 head would be a runner 👍🏻. Best mini bike channel on the tube, I’ve seen all of your videos and enjoy every one. Thanks for putting in the hard work and money to keep the channel interesting. 👊🏼
Thank you! Thanks for watching the videos! I appreciate it.
killing the GAME 100% No Questions
I love your channel ,and its cool how you can compare all these different parts on different engines and bikes! ✌🎥🇺🇸
I figured it would pick up some mph, try a little bit bigger jet, more air flow should ask for a little more fuel.
Agreed 👍🏼
At the end of the video, I talk about swapping the carburetor. I have a video coming out with the results. Thanks for watching!
@@Black66 sorry I must have missed that part
Wow that was yet another great video, love all of your comparisons and speed runs. It's awesome that you are doing what you love to do in retirement! I can hardly wait for Saturdays video! 🙃👽💯💯👏👏
Great video! Thanks for posting 🙂👍
Love to see a ported but keep stock valve 224 head with a bigger carb. Awesome vid as always, enjoy the channel and look forward to the next one.
Good speed runs😄
Love to see those kids brapping it up out there living life instead of playing video games 👍
Wow...What a difference, Just swap the head's and you gain that much. So, If you ported the exhaust and the flange to fit...Better flow...
Doing this head swap on my non hemi 212, port matched to the carb adaptor n exhaust, also had to cut in to my gaskets, I would of recommended the same especially since ur using the stock ghost carb adaptor
Thanks! Did many Ghost head swaps to see the results. Check out the Ghost playlist. th-cam.com/video/Ruc42N2GBzQ/w-d-xo.html
curious do you also keep track of temp and humidity on the days you do these tests? be a cool vid to do a few tests on bikes with nothin changed but cooler temps/less humidity (not that humidity is a huge problem where you are). if everything else is the same the 212's smaller port likely boosted tq slightly for the faster 0-30 times. as always, great vid.
Thanks! I try and do video comparisons on the same day or at least with similar weather. I know it does make a difference. As shown in the elevation video. In some videos you will see me redo the test even though I already tested a given part.
@@Black66I gotcha, like I said, you have by far the best mini bike channel on here IMO. Other guys mix in carts and all sorts of oddball stuff which is cool, but for pure mini bike related stuff, you win hands down.
Great video 👍
Great channel. I'd like to see 224 Predator head, 24mm Nibbi carb, Cheetah clutch, & ARC flywheel, numbers. Keep up the great work 👍
Thanks, I have videos on each of those but maybe I'll put them all together and see what happens .
Did yu ever make that video?? And straight chain it and also on a Coleman 200exu 💯😂👌🏿thanks
Banging video always watch and like all your vids good stuff! 💯💯💯
Great video once again !
Thank you for the response. I’m leaning towards the purchase of the Taco, the only thing I’m not sure of is the friction brake??
Does it work as well as the drum brake set up? Is there a disc conversion that you know of? Sorry for the Rookie questions ,but you seem legit on your channel.
Hard to tell but the exhaust pipe flange and port look to be different. If so wouldn’t and exhaust flange to match the port be less restrictive.
You should try a welded predator 212 32/25 head in a 0-30 and a top speed test
Ya, I would like to try one. Like a Pauls karts head.
Dover powersports can make ya one I believe.
I don't run a 32mm valve on any bore smaller than a 72mm (2.835) as the valve is too shrowded against the cylinder wall basically defeating the purpose of the bigger valve for 68-70mm bores a 28.5 intake valve is where it's at
Yes this true bore size would dictate the valve sizes. I have a 72mm bore rn and tried a big valve head but it wasn't a welded chamber. Sadly it was a bad casting and developed some nasty cracks in it.
@@deathtrapperformanceminibi260 I would like to try one just to see what the actual real-world difference is.
Love it. Keep up the good work.
U should put a banshee motor in one lol
Wow chingon primo
Would love to see if Match Porting would help.
I did a video on that a while back. Check it out th-cam.com/video/z6NFQvi0y64/w-d-xo.html I'll have to do another on the 224
You forgot the Champion rockers.
nice Sir🙋👍✌️🤗🇵🇭
Just curious what app you use for your testing?
Alright so I figured yu would know since you’ve done many builds stock n billet parts ! How would a stock 224 with a straight pipe exhaust and a mukuni carb will the stock internals be fine removing the governor cuz it says stock internals can handle up to 5,000 rpm when removing governor and do yu think a aluminum flywheel and a cam will do it for a flywheel and a rod ? ? And also do I have to remove the governor wheel from the inside motor ?
Wouldn't 26ib springs do the same
Don’t the 2 different Heads use different Pistons?
You can use the same piston for multiple heads as long as there is no need for a valve relief with a high lift cam.
Are the predator engines reliable?
First...watching...😎
Going to guess it makes lil difference.
What’s the bolts your using?
???What size bolts does the predator 224 need to use the jackshaft from my hisun they don't have the same bolt threads??
You need 5/16"x24 1 inch long bolts from a hardware store.
@@Deucealive75 thank you
Where do you get the frame kit?
Wouldn't want to have ta race this guy he would probably bring out the big gun.
Where's the best place to order exhaust gaskets for the 224cc predator engine?
I don't think anyone sells one. You may have to get any old gasket and trim it to size which isn't exactly easy.
I have a question, if a cam calls for 22 lbs springs what happens if I use 18lbs ones? I have a torque converter that won’t let the engine go passed 4200 rpm so do I really need the heavier springs? The cam is a 252 rattlesnake cam. Just want to know before I install it.
This is a very good question. The recommended springs are not only to support RPM. They also support the cams lobe profile.
I used that cam in my 224 build and just went with the 22's. The engine shouldn't see much more than 5K RPM. I used gearing that will allow the whole 4K RPM range. There's no way that I would use stock Coleman gearing with a torque converter and I'm not getting a Juggernaut. I don't need 7K RPM.
@@Deucealive75 thanks for the reply it’s a question I’ve had for a long time. Il hold off on the install until I get some 22s
@@srcobra50 I was wrong about my RPM. A few weeks ago I did a top speed run and got 5550 max RPM on the tach. The 252 cam works very well in my whole RPM range. I use a yellow spring in the driven of my torque converter and it powers right through the belt shift at around 4500 RPM.
So the 224 Non-Hemi head beats the Ghost Hemi head... Could the 224 head be installed to a standard 212 Hemi Motor? Could you (if you havent already make a video with a side-by-side comparison of the three head (212 Hemi head, Ghost Hemi Head, and 224 non-hemi head.. and if you want the 212 non-hemi head). I have a 212 Hemi.. but would be great to know if I can throw a 224 head on it to get better 0-30 and and top speed with it.
The 224 head is a bolt on to the Hemi block. But you should take it a step further and get the proper head gasket for it to get more compression. After you remove the hemi head bring the piston to TDC and measure how far the piston is in the hole. If it's .020" then you would get a .010" head gasket for it as an example. You want .030" in between the head and the piston. If it's more than .020" in the hole just use a .010" head gasket.
Then do whatever it takes to get Champion rockers on the head. A 224 head with Champion rockers will produce more power than a stock hemi head.
@@Deucealive75 thanks for the info so basically I want at least .030 between the piston and head. Anything more lie .035-.040 is acceptable, but not less than .030.
Thanks for the tip on the rockers too. Is there specific springs that are the best for this setup too?
@@ChristopherJones16 Yes but closest to 30 is best.
I'm different than others when it comes to springs. I would use stock springs until I decide to go with a rod, flywheel, and cam. Then I would use springs that the cam calls for.