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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ส.ค. 2023
- Shahid Ali wrote this after the confrontation👇
I was confronted by Asrar Sahib during a wedding and he asked me for a debate to which I agreed. He told me to mention all the points on why I believe he is wrong.
I told him that I have already done that publicly in videos and also written it out so he must write a response. He told me that my questions are not even worth answering. So I told him if they aren't even worth it then why are you even stopping me now wanting to debate? It doesn't make sense.
In any case the objections upon him have been made public and are written as well. He has plenty of time to answer everything and clear misconceptions. I have given him plenty of time but he is not answering anything and not even retracting open errors. The ball is in his court.
The whole incident was being recorded and I didn't have anyone with me as Mufti Sahib and others had left. Nevertheless I sat with him to talk but gave him 2 straight answers basically:
I have already refuted you publicly in videos (meaning: so no need to repeat here)
Secondly I have also written questions out so please respond to everything in writing.
The issues against him have been publicly presented already. If he cannot answer anything then obviously we know why. He is in the wrong and doesn't have any answers.
Jumping on a person at someone else's wedding and asking for a "debate" isn't the manner befitting an "alim". It is time Shaykh Asrar Rashid sahib stops playing games and starts answering everything put to him.
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The brother that greeted them both and took the other brother away is the most loved by allah in this video. He diffused an altercation instead of watching it and he made sure the wedding wasnt ruined. May allah bless him and guide us all.
Totally agreed. He did diffuse an altercation between them and acted like a good human being MashaAllah
That brother ruined a proper debate/discussion. He should not have got involved.
How to spoil someone's wedding - mirpuri edition.
Shahid Ali has a lot of energy on the internet but face to face he crumbles
The young boy in the center, expressing the phrase "you're a liar," should maintain silence during conversations among adults.
Anyways his claims were true and factual....
@@naiyarulabdin1594 they're not, you're just a cultist. And even then, playing devil's advocate on the specific point about his "moment of madness" it's irrelevant as all of the issues he's expressed are valid and have been very plainly presented.
It's only cultists who keep this tired response. It reminds me very much of Trump supporters actually with all this up is down and down is up cult excuses
Or perhaps he should be rewarded for his bravery and speaking the truth to the mans face ...? I agree he could have said it more correctly, but Your comment is not saying that, but rather showing your Pride, Ego and Ignorance
Yes I agree with you on this. Even if he thinks that he is a liar, he have should have kept quiet and let them sort the issues.
@@naiyarulabdin1594 It doesn't matter if his claims were true, it is about adab and quite frankly it was between the two Shaykhs, not about the young boy mouthing off. Quite frankly, he showed lack of manners even if Shahid Ali was lying or not
Is there not an etiquette to discussing your issues. Ganging up on a Person when he’s alone, being aggressive and trying to intimidate him with your size is surely not from the practice of our scholars. I don’t know either of these two, or their issues but I don’t think it is wrong to ask for written or a video response. Put it out in the public.
No, what's the issue if someone prefers to resolve matters face-to-face?
thank you @cecuk4355 ... someone with some sense. idk anyone's issue here either but this is certainly not how an alim who is supposed to be the inheritor of the Prophets need to be behaving. total bully tactics. for the record, I have no idea who the guy with the black turban is .. but I know Asrar and like some of his stuff but when he gets in this bully tyoenof mode where he has to do islah of every aalim out there .. its just annoying. all that knowledge from ukema of Syria etc. and still hung up on indopak sectarianist baggage. . what a waste.
@@Mjunaidjahangirthere's a time and place ..and this wasn't it. total fail.
@@Mjunaidjahangirthen ask to meet respectfully, not pounce on the scholar during a time of celebration.
shameful etiquette at a wedding, shame.
Playground bullying in grown man form. I can’t believe this is how the Muslim men behaving now at peoples weddings. What a disgrace
I don't support either , but Asrar lacks manners , he should know where he is & can cause disturbance.
He does for him its his ego that everyone follow him
@@syedsajidhussain7322how would you feel if someone speaks bs about u and runs when confronted? Did you not see the fear on that cowards face?
I find the Shakyh to be a completely respectable man.
Shaykh Asrar lacks manners?? As far as I can tell, he wasn’t the one making videos making all sort of accusations. This Shahid Ali is nothing more than a keyboard warrior, very brave online but a coward when confronted face to face
@@MuhammadVilchez it’s very easy to respond via video or letter directly instead of spoiling another person’s wedding with these type of popcorn shenanigans. As for the fanboys of Shaykh Asrar they are a bunch of uncouth muppets like Mr Bilal who behaved like a street thug. He’s a very fortunate boy that had he attended a different wedding in Bradford with some of the other types of natives he would have had his Halwa smacked out of his mouthy gob.
'What kind of a person does this at wedding?'
Exactly. There is a time and a place to discuss the issue but at someone's wedding is just unacceptable
@@brothersman524 Yeh if someone posted a video about you online and kept mentioning that your aqeedah is wrong then I’d sure as hell confront him when I see him in person, be it a wedding
@ptist3378 No not at someone's wedding, come on don't be daft. I agree that Shahid Ali needed to be confronted and rightly so especially calling out someone's aqeedah is wrong online but not in this manner, I'm sorry it is unacceptable. Like I said, there is a time and a place to do this but this wasn't it brother
I don’t like the attitude of this brother confronting another at a wedding??!! Absolutely disgraceful.
Time and place for debates . Seems like egos are involved rather than establishing the truth
Totally agree but unfortunately some people in the comments section don't understand the concept of adab and just taking sides. I'm a neutral and both were wrong in their approach
Shahid is shook
Just a keyboard warrior
How many battles the brelwee asrar fought 😊
More than held his own in a proper debate set up with a proper leading scholar as should have happened in the first place rather than head locking him and abusing him with a full entourage of people.
And btw Shaykh Shahid is also culpable in this. He should have arranged this meeting with Shaykh Bandhyalvi and Asrar from the get go, have this debate. Then make the video if Shaykh Asrar didn't correct himself
He isn't barelvi. @@imadaddin136
This is completely unacceptable especially coming from a so called Sheikh these internet sheikhs really getting out of hand smh
Should probably watch the video before confronting the person lol. Also there's a time and a place, not at someone's wedding.
Yh , and maybe this Shahid should go and talk to Shaykh privately , rather than attracting viewers online 😂😅!
Especially after his last apology 😅😂
@@Rolaay bro if that was my relative's wedding I'd be throwing his ass out on the street.
@@Rolaay what are you talking about separate hall, you can see people in the background.
@@Rolaay I think we are having two different conversations.
@@Rolaayare you that same guy who kept repeating list, liar. Lol!! Both these brelvis are deviants
Shahid looking around somebody save me plz 😂😂Love you Shaykh Asrar Rashid ❤
Right 😅😅👍
Poor chap just came to enjoy a wedding
Asrar with his side kicks trying to give it large.🤣 this is what Islam teaches him
Asrar is the real bilievers of Allah he was challenge in a debate with crostians to prove if Allah is real god and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And He was save and survive. Tru the help of Allah...Allah bless u always brother asral.
I watched 3 seconds of this video and the fear on Shahid’s face LOL
Imagine approaching someone man to man and they respond with
“send me an email, put it in writing.”
I’m flabbergasted.
Shahid dors not hsve any answes. I debated him on whatsapp about many issues. He had no.answers so he blocked me both my numbers
Typical brelvi
@@Dredd-od2xsbetter to be a brelvi than a deo 😉😜
@@king_panda1387 He (AR) came to talk, not fight. If you can talk online then be prepared to talk when confronted.
I'm still waiting for the debate to start that is mentioned in the title of this video
I don't know the context. And, I don't want to know. But it is never befitting for a scholar to act like this specially in a wedding. It could be arranged later time and of course with manners.
Maybe he confronted him in such a way because if he hadn't he would of defelcted like he was doing just now. Shahid Ali crumbled if he had any sustenance he would have stated his issues.
this is absolute stupidity.. I was really trying to like Asrar but there's a time and a place to do these things .. if this was at my wedding I'd be furious .. Asrar sounds like a total bully .. I don't even know the other guy or whatever the argument here is but you just don't do this at a wedding. so much for all that 'tazkiyya' all these ppl purport to be a part of. absolutely ridiculous.
The fact you don’t know the other guy or whatever argument should have been enough for you to not comment on a learned persons manners.
Shaykh Asrar is a human, and the other learned counterpart which is Shahid made some outrageous remarks about Shaykh Asrar. So having being slandered he acted to confront him because he would’ve not gotten another chance
Asrar rashid when hes.talking about real.issues is good.to listen to but i.don't like.how he has.to.debate with.other scholars by.trying to prove.himself right. Hes too.fixated on finding issues with other sects instead of.trying to bring unity
@@sheedo1999 I think you heard his lectures but didn’t listen to understand his points. He opposes sectarianism. He condemns other sects for doing mindless takfir on people. He opposes derogatory remarks of followers of Salafi and Deoband ulama for their extreme views and misinformation regarding certain Muslims, like making terms such as Barelvi, kaburi, etc, generalizing any to all specific misguidances to the general Sufi communities. He debates scholars because the scholars that’s what scholars are for, presenting and defending the views of deen. Sheikh Asrar also opposes traces the tracks of sectarianism within the Sunni (canonical) Islam to teachings and misinterpretations of certain scholars like Abdul Wahab etc, and is against their creed which promotes intolerance and greater division through sectarianism. I hope you pay attention to the context of his debate as a whole.
@@your-average-bruv He's still immature for someone of his status.
Shaykh Asrar quick question;
Was this debate used under the guise of Ar Raashidiyya
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You didn’t get anyone as this was not a debate. This was a confrontation between two individuals.
This is what we muslims are left with, making bizzare everywhere by trolling and harassing each other.
Asrar has no manners or etiquette. Nor does his cheerleaders.
Sheikh Asrar confronts Shahid man to man and instead of engaging with him he tells him to watch the videos.
Because hes asking questions which the videos already answer....
Sheik Asrar is a great man
The answers are in the videos. Why does he need to physically say then in front of a lynch mob. And he have them again in front of a proper set up: a scholar of the deen in Shaykh Bandhyalvi
Who's gonna have the mind to debate at a wedding? It's stupidity. Then his chele or gang member starts accusing and slandering him calling him a liar.
First of all you suddenly go up to him with your boys and calling him out for a debate in an imposing manner, this will have already lower his morale and he'll go blank, secondly, it's an occasion of wedding.
love sheikh asrar
Well then you love someone who has no adab
This is a childish ambush 💔
Disgraceful, these are so called “scholars”. Where is the Aadaab Kalam, the prophetic behavior. 🤮
Has Shahid Ali read Munazara Rasheediya 😆
I don't think he has that's he doesn't know how to debate properly
Why at the wedding?
I'm going to be neutral here. First of all, this should never happen at someone's wedding at all. If something needs to be discussed, then do it privately. I'm sorry to say this but Shaykh Asrar and his gang were bullying him and very intimidating, I don't care whose side people on but this is unacceptable. However, I do kind of understand why Shaykh Asrar wanted answers after some of the things Shahid Ali did say but there is a time and place to discuss the problem. Anyway, I've heard that they have resolved the issues now.
Should the public be subjected to stupidity.
Sheikh asrar just always want to debate y we r all 1 muslim nation ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Time and place ?
Why was this recorded. Keep your personal issues off camera brothers
Brother - the first person to hear these words should be Shahid Ali ; he went against his own word by publicising issues against the Shaykh .
Whos that guy saying ‘you’re a liar’ acting all tough LOL! You cant even squash a insect acting all tough! LOL
That is rude 😂😂😂😂
Allah loves the easy going people.. not quarell some.. this is how we expediate the punishment of Allah... Oh ! Believers, Be Brothers ❤
Best part of the whole clip, the stroke on the moustache, mucha wat jatta 2:33😂
His (ashrars) attitude is disgusting.
now i do love sheikh asrar, but we all agree he shouldn't have just done that at someones wedding, starting a debate like that is a sign of immaturity, but may Allah bless both of them!1!!1
May Allah guide them both....
Where is the adab
Really shameful act
He should know with his knowledge it’s the right place
As Muslims we should not be little each other even though proving whose right and wrong
Most probably made the devil 👿 laugh
Bro israr I know of you and from your endz. You are upon truth as you challenge falsehood head on
Great masculine traits. Alpha! Allahumma barik
I dont agree with debating in an unorganised matter- unplanned. Things could easily turn messy as it did...but at the same time, the other dude shouldn't agree to debate and then say respond to my questions in writing.. There's nothing wrong with saying it's not an appropriate time, but dont agree to debate, then give those responses...
You make no sense! If you accept that a wedding is not a place for debate then why are you against Asrar responding through writing
Allah pak mufti sahab ko salamat rakha..... Great man
Ameen ya rabal aalameen 🙏 🤲
What a coward! “ i dont wanna get into the details”
Its okay but also strange how everyone is defending the brother who got confronted and using the word ambush against the other brother, yet fail to condemn him for publicly speaking fallacy against his brother, then when confronted does not remember the questions, if he was telling the truth the brother would not necessarily be bothered about being confronted, its common sense and simple psychology of behavior which shows this, also eye contact was avoided quite often.
I'm not being rude, i am just stating facts, i have nothing against them nor do i know them, this is my first time hearing of this and i am just being raw and truthful about what I've seen so far. most people don't realize that having double standards is wrong in Islam and to be neutral in both sides with objective thinking not emotional, therefore, it becomes more rational.
I have advice for some fellow muslim brothers and that is be careful not to become amongst those who are considered hypocrites and double standards and be more straightforward and honest, try not to contradict ourselves and stay steadfast in your Imaan and deen.
Thank you for reading, JazakAllah khair.
Assalamu alaiykum.
Why isn't he answering
Asrar Rashid has great knowledge about Islam
This is how you catch hypocrites .. they make statements from afar and when you catch them they:
- they tremble
- can’t look you in the eye
- don’t want to debate or talk about issues
Asrar dealt with him. He put him in his place
Honestly, there is a time and place for this man. Have some class
Milad is haram case finished
Shahid Ali didn't want to debate man to man, but wanted to be a keyboard warrior. Shaykh Asrar Rashid caught him at a wedding and said, let's talk now but Shahid Ali had nothing to say.
Shaykh Asrar Rashid won this and we know what kind of person Shahid Ali is now.
i.don't know.either of.thre guys but.what dyu.mean by won this one? Its not a game.
When you can't look in the eye of the person speaking to you, it tells you everything you need to know about a person.
At a wedding, this is disgraceful
Ego and sense of entitlement had no bounds
Sheikh Asrar towers over him in size and knowledge. Shahid just wants to get famous with sheikh asrars name. Stay in ur lane little boy
SHAHID THE COOKIE MONSTER HAS FAILED AGAIN AND AGAIN.
This is the future of Sunni scholarship in the UK.
Alhamdulillah majority is Deobandi in the UK
Shahid Ali looked like he squirted in his pants 😂😅
Asrar Rashid is right and confident
and that person is wrong thats why he don't want to debate he ran away
Caught the opp lacking😢
Why does he call himself a shaykh and act like a thug? Even if his right, his behaviour is disgusting.
Asrar bhai one shouldnt have such ego to be so intimidating in response criticism be it right or wrong. It is unholy. I do love you but feel you are wrong here and on every occasions you are hostile against the opposing party. Its contrary to desirable mannerism. I wouldnt imagine Hadhrat Ali RadhiAllahAnhu or any of the As'haba-e-Ikram RadhiAllahTa'alaAnhumAjmaeen reacting as such. Hadhrat ZainulAbideen RahmatullahTa'alaAlaeh should be an example for us. Humility isnt before the opponent but before the ever present God.
"Wanna debate?" Lol reminds of school, when the bully would say "wanna fight?"
There is a time and place for everything, when you do this everywhere and when everything is unimportant other then your belief system defense, everywhere. you'll lose respect. This is no way of doing things. really embarrassed after watching this
"you're out of your depth" Israr
He should have said let’s pick a time and place other than today.
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😮😮😮
Grown adults these days are embarrassing
I listen to asrar rashid all the time but this is not the way especially if it’s someone else function
While Sheik Asrar might have valid points..approach was wrong
"You are a lawya" hahahaha .. what an earth . Guy was winding his tash up so much to say that.
This is what happens when your sectarian and think your group is the only group in the haq
Bro's at a wedding and he's deciding to have a debate, even has a camera man ready? Time and a place...
Is this part of the sunnah of the beloved prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)??? What a moment to choose a debate.. this is bullying and abuse.. not part of Islam or the sunnah.. these guys love attention
Asrar is just a child needs to grow up
Dont underestimate the sufis haaaaa
This brother should come to asrahs house while his having dinner
Quran 49:6
يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓا۟ إِن جَآءَكُمْ فَاسِقٌۢ بِنَبَإٍۢ فَتَبَيَّنُوٓا۟ أَن تُصِيبُوا۟ قَوْمًۢا بِجَهَـٰلَةٍۢ فَتُصْبِحُوا۟ عَلَىٰ مَا فَعَلْتُمْ نَـٰدِمِينَ ٦
O believers, if an evildoer brings you any news, verify ˹it˺ so you do not harm people unknowingly, becoming regretful for what you have done.1
اللهم صل على سيدنا محمد وعلى آله وصحبه وسلم
Sheik asrar❤
Shahid Ali clearly does not qualify to even call out for a debate. The man knows no principles of behaving correctly. Ego trip
He is scared
Asrar party no adab, rude
if we follow Quran and authentic hadith then we won't see this kind of circus between the ummah, when you go away from the Quran and sunnah and read too many books of humans then this will happen,i am ashamed to see this as a Muslim especially the psycho who was yelling liar,,,this in wedding antiguerrilla
Seems like Asrar is being his usual self using ‘bully boy tactics’.
Be a man and reply back to Shahid Ali’s videos!
Shut up bruv - U backin Shahid when he can’t even look Shaykh in the eye .
This Shahid is a keyboard warrior,
who goes round refuting every other aalim !! 😂😅😂
Shahid is a LIAR
Shahid could have easily said his problems then and they would have been answered
@@HH-zr1iuI'm not taking sides, but that would have put Shahid on the defensive, as he would be the claimant (mu'alil not maani😂)
Bully tactics he just took him to a side and asked him about the rubbish he's been spreading that's what a normal person would do ask them if they cross paths mano vs Mano not say email me wtf cowboy tactic is that
I’m sorry I know Asrar he’s a good guy but can’t stand people background sitting like they know stuff.
Shahid Ali wrote this after the confrontation👇
I was confronted by Asrar Sahib during a wedding and he asked me for a debate to which I agreed. He told me to mention all the points on why I believe he is wrong.
I told him that I have already done that publicly in videos and also written it out so he must write a response. He told me that my questions are not even worth answering. So I told him if they aren't even worth it then why are you even stopping me now wanting to debate? It doesn't make sense.
In any case the objections upon him have been made public and are written as well. He has plenty of time to answer everything and clear misconceptions. I have given him plenty of time but he is not answering anything and not even retracting open errors. The ball is in his court.
The whole incident was being recorded and I didn't have anyone with me as Mufti Sahib and others had left. Nevertheless I sat with him to talk but gave him 2 straight answers basically:
I have already refuted you publicly in videos (meaning: so no need to repeat here)
Secondly I have also written questions out so please respond to everything in writing.
The issues against him have been publicly presented already. If he cannot answer anything then obviously we know why. He is in the wrong and doesn't have any answers.
Jumping on a person at someone else's wedding and asking for a "debate" isn't the manner befitting an "alim". It is time Shaykh Asrar Rashid sahib stops playing games and starts answering everything put to him.
So still no proof.
Asrar said he hasn't seen the videos or the allegations.
I'm my opinion the venue may have been the incorrect setting.
I agree it was a perfect setting non the less. BOTH AGREED TO A DEBATE.
Was this the right thing to do?
Yes, one must ignore the bad that people say about you behind your back.
Confronting the backbiter/slanderer was a good thing to do
Also in the video he is shown to say I have written it for you, however then asks for a email.
@@gamzmasta1 what I want to know is where is munazra rashidiyyah now though he’s a scholar he loved telling the deobandi man how he can’t debate out of it so why is he now breaking his own rules? One rule for him and another rule for someone else? I’m a neutral and I’m not saying who is right overall till Sheikh Asrar agrees to a debate but it’s clear there is double standards. And why are his students so mannerless? You can’t call a scholar that’s greater than you in knowledge a LIAR. Abdullah Ibn Masud said “I learnt manners before I learnt the deen”. These people have not benefited from the deen they are taught they barely have any manners! Why is it ok for him to address a salafi as Ustadh and tackle the issue scholarly but not within the scholars of ahlus sunnah I find this very weird!
Apart from that I am interested in seeing a debate and whoever is on the truth will prevail inshallah
@@qarirayhan1 you mentioned munazra, what is it?
From the video I see that someone made slanderous /backbiting comments about another Muslim.
Asrar confronted the person.
The problem we have here is slander/backbiting is a big sin. It would appear the person was slanderous or backbiting as he has his allegations written somewhere. However will not clarify his allegations.
Many scholars ignore these lies and slanderous comments. Over time Allah guides the people and the goal is Islam- Quran and sunnah.
Asrar retaliated showing the slanderer/ backbiter, I do not fault him for doing that, it is his right to clear his name
@@gamzmasta1 munazra rashidiyya before an alim debates another alim you have to respectfully pay out conditions and everything for it with one another you can’t just jump into a debate like that akhi. You can’t look at this one sided I’m sure comments were given back and forth from both sides brother. But the problem I have is that there’s a time and place for everything a wedding of a syed is a happy occasion, you don’t gang up your students around a person hoping for a munazra that’s not how it works. They could’ve just said to one another that lets set a place and time to sort this out. end of story
Asrar just loves to mass debate
I didnt like watching this. Especially the side kick getting excited.
Dont mess with the sufis haaaaaa
Asrar causing trouble as usual
I seen some videos of you talking nonsense about me ............ I haven't watched any of the video's 😂
Shahid has seen a ghost lol. Look at the fear in his eyes.
This is extremely disgusting and most people can see this sorry excuse for a debate for what it truly is. Shaytan has truly won over these people
Very brave on video calling the Shaykh all sorts of names, but a coward when confronted in person… and that written response is a cheap attempt at damage control. Pathetic
The brother argue whilst idf slaughters us in Palestine.
Very very sad unity guys
Says about Asrar Rashid's immaturity! Went for wedding and started a fuss in front of everyone!
He could'nt control himself to talk afterwards at another suitable time and location?
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i think he apologised right? let's not pursue the matter then. maybe take this down?
He's getting destroyed 🤣😂
Shahid Ali got smoked
Asrar rashid is a disgrace. Shaytaan got him twisted
All those banging on about it being disrespectful at someone's wedding...im afraid to say most...not all...but most of these precious weddings of yours are already disrespectful with the lavish spending, the music, the dancing, the free mixing, the non Muslim rituals etc...everything against the sunnah and ppl have the audacity to talk about disrespect at a wedding...sit back down and learn the meaning respect before you come on here like a bunch of hypocrites
Shahid Ali is disrespectful online
And how would you know if this wedding was like that? If you dont know then it renders your above comment as useless
@@mughal_r9374 Clearly intelligence and basic common sense isn't your strong point is it mughal_r9374? At which part of my comment did I suggest that this wedding was like this? Why don't you read my comment again properly...maybe wear glasses or even better open your eyes this time and pay particular attention to the part where I said "most... not all...but most of these precious weddings" - your stupidity renders your comment as invalid...try not to embarrass yourself again Mughal 🤦
Assume the best
this comment is not logical at all. a person being disrespectful or rude at a wedding has no bearing on what and how a wedding should be conducted??!! what doe the 2 have to do with each other and on top of that .. even if the person who has a wasteful haram type of wedding .. does that give Asrar license to be rude and disrespectful? your comment makes zero sense.