Written Answer: islamanswers.co.uk/question/is-hadra-sufi-dance-permissible-in-the-hanafi-madhab Hasan Response: th-cam.com/video/VsQbSxm0XTs/w-d-xo.html
He has no choice his Mufti decides what he does Shahid is a puppet of the pir. Now the pir has been declared kafir and Shahid Ali is lost. That's what happens when you are Sufi brelvi
@@AbdurRahman_Federick. yes, take a look at Syrian hanafis, Turkish hanafis ect barelvi deobandi is mainly a south Asian thing. It is haram to use such titles to refer to your beliefs. The only titles that you should call yourself by is Sunni maturidi/ashari and hanafi/maliki/shafi/hanbali. Because all fall within ahlus sunnah wal jammah
If this was the other way round the barelwis would've jumped on it like mufti Tariq masood incident. Most of them are like a cult unfortunately. As someone who grew up in barelwi mosques, most of the talks were about hatred against deobandi/ wahabi. I decided to go to their Mosques and see what they talk about. They just talked about connecting yourself back to Allah and the do and donts in islam. So i decided im done withbthese barelwi scholars. If you look whilst the barelwi scholars in the past and present are fueling hatred. The deobandis ahave just got on with it producing thousands of huffaz and ulama male and female with countless darul ulooms across Uk. On the otherside drug dealers and groomers in Rotherham, Rochdale and bradford etc. Allah unite us and guide us ameen
I was deeply disturbed by this comment, initially I thought I should ignore it, however I cannot sit by silently while the honor of my masters have been attacked. You have generalized the majority to be a cult but this is far from the truth. I have been attending the masajid and majalis for years and alhamdulillah I have learned much about the Khasais of our Habib Sallallahu Alaihi wasallam and love of Allah and his rasool one should have and how to connect to the Awliya of Allah. Yes we are not living in a utopia where we can just unite with every deviant sect, as per the Hadith about the 73 sects. As for the deobandis although they may be similar in many aspects yet there are some core beliefs that have not entirely been abandoned that are blasphemous. the beliefs may have been abandoned but the elders haven't been, those who have made those remarks. It is imperative that our scholars guide the people so they do not stray from the path. Hence it is correct to condemn and warn against particular groups in this day and age. And alhamdulillah if you look into the history in the subcontinent unparalleled works have been done. It is quite common and easy to assume that barelwis are backward and are in a tribal war but this is due to a lack of understanding of the urdu language and about our scholars. Please look into Imam Ahmed Rida Khan, Fadl ul Haq Khairabadi, Mehr Ali Shah, Naeem ud Din Muradabadi, Ahmed Yar Khan Naeemi and their contributions to the religion. And in recent times Ahmed Saeed Kazmi, Shah Ahmed Noorani, Faiz Ahmed Owaisi, and Madani Miya. Their speeches can be found and The list goes on. Yes it can argued that more works need to be done in English and the transition from urdu to English has not occurred. Faults can be found but this reflects on the people more, you can't deem a tradition or a methodology to be corrupt on the basis of the people. Noor Ud Din has used a clip and has not explained how the debater is committing blasphemy. He has said it is abhorrent and must be condemned but hasn't given an explanation. In that clip the narrator didn't even justify it and said it was said in Kaifiyat, but he said you must do justice and narrate the full story. Yes the statement itself is incorrect and kufr. The full story is that the Shaykh himself deemed the statement to be completely false. And also the story is unconfirmed. If one is claiming the debater is committing blasphemy they must give evidence. This is very unclear and it is dangerous allegation to deem an entire tradition as supporters of blasphemy and it is slander if not clarified. May Allah guide us and protect the honor of his Habib Sallallahu Alaihi wasallam and may he place the truth in our tongues.
@@zaynulabideenkamal1038i appreciate the comment- but realistically no deobandi has blasphemed. What you think is blasphemous statement and their consequences are obviously denied by the deobandis. Take for eg the possibility of allah taala lying - a position held by imams sharif al Jurjani, Al iji and others as attested to by Shaykh Saeed Fodeh on his book on this issue. Similarly, many issues are of such a nature- what you claim the deobandis say, the deobandis deny. Whenever both do agree, the difference therein is in the meaning of those statements.
@@Innominate74949 deny the fact that it was said? Although it was documented? Or reject the statements? But the issue is that are the elders rejected as kaafir? Generally the response is they had repented but there is nothing public of the repentance. and otherwise the statements are given an interpretation. as if there is any interpretation for the blasphemous remarks? Once the elders are rejected then inshallah we can progress. The elders and their books which contain blasphemy need to be rejected.
First Asrar defends dancing in the masjid and calling worship Now he is praising insults against the Prophet peace be upon him Did the poison kill brain cells
@navoxford8406 There's nothing wrong with dancing. It is good exercise, the sufis and people in general could do with losing a few stone. Having said that the sahaba had their cultural war dance and weren't prohibited from it, so not sure one can prohibit others unless they're dirty.
Asrar did not make a video when his student insulted the Prophet peace be upon him But when his sufi disco is attacked he released a video Are people understanding what these sufis are all about?
You leave such a claim that doing it takes anyone outside islam and yet you had left no evidence Narrated Abu Dhar: That he heard the Prophet (ﷺ) saying, "If somebody accuses another of Fusuq (by calling him 'Fasiq' i.e. a wicked person) or accuses him of Kufr, such an accusation will revert to him (i.e. the accuser) if his companion (the accused) is innocent." Sahih al-Bukhari 6045 In-book reference : Book 78, Hadith 75
The reality is that in the ibarat that has been quoted, the discussion is regarding raqs, not regarding hadrah. There seems to have been a misapplication of the daleel presented. You have mistakenly applied the wording used for raqs onto hadrah. So the reality is that hashiya is not saying hadrah is Haram or kufr. Rather, it is talking about raqs. The second point is that it hasn't mentioned all raqs is haram. Yes, it's said a type of raqs is haram. However, not all raqs are haram or kufr like the raqs in Bukhari of the Habashah. So, a re reading of this ibarat is needed. Insha'Allah.
Nice explanation Shaykh, I like your style of speech and delivery. Hope to see you one day. Don't bother with Asrar bhai's Blunders. We are use to them now.
Who makes it on the 14th Century list of classical scholars? My opinion (lets agree to disagree if you want): Sheikh Abdul Fattah Abu Ghuddah, Sheikh Abul Hasan Ali Nadwi, Mahmud Hasan Al Madni and Mufti Taqi Al Uthmani.
@@mohammedumaraziz8282speaking of cognitive dissonance when you can't even spell someone's name is brilliant. Shaykh Noor wrote his answer months ago, with no reference to any one in particular. Shaykh Asrar released a tiktok in his normal style, attacking shaykh Noor for 'misquoting', while misquoting Ibn Abideen himself. What a joke
@yourstruly5706 whether you agree with the opinion of Noor Ud Din or not, we are Muslims, speaking in a public forum. We should try to keep adhab when we are speaking. There is no need for such vulgarity.
Asrar is all over the place. He always contradicts himself. Nobody knows what he is saying. Lately he has been promoting Qadyani belief of revelation after the Prophet peace be upon him
Brelvis your hero Asrar has no response to this video. Sh Nurudin exposed his ignorance. Asrar doesnt even know how to read fiqh books properly. And he is trying to convince Muslims that dancing is worship of Allah Tala
Is going into ruku a dance also? How about nodding your head? Didn't the Prophet salallahu alaihi wasallam watch a group of Abyssinians perform a type of dance with his wife Aisha radiAllahu anha?
Can these sufis comment on the part about insulting the Prophet peace be upon him or do they only care about defending their cult leader sheikhs. Sufis destroy islam from the inside
@@asrarahmed177 HAHA. Exaclty. These najdis are a blessing to islam because they do the sword dance with their master Trump. They are a blessing because they have destroyed our heritage, and replaced bin baz and uthaymeen with all the major scholars for 1400 years.
Lol .always remember one thing in Islam don't accuse anyone with a crime he did not commit because if you accusations are wrong then you will be held responsible for it on judgement day.SUFISM DESTROYED ISLAM or WAS it the NAJDI'S who created various terrorist organisations around the globe and they lectured others to ask only from ALLAH but they themselves bowed down to UNCLE SAM for protection. There is a word for these people and they are called QUFFARS.
Asrar thought he was picking faults in sheikh Nooruddeen knowledge but he made such stupid basoc errors That is what happens when you get your student to insult the Prophet peace be upon him
a-salamu alaykum I made a video about Hadra soufi. With the fatwâ from the fatwa from the 4 Mufti of the 4 madhab, in Châm Syria. Link : th-cam.com/video/Q8BRNBmMrS4/w-d-xo.html
So, Asrar either doesn't know how to read, or he doesn't know Hanafi fiqh well, or he's spreading Fitnah or he's deliberately misrepresenting what you said and what Ibn Abideen said... And it also seems he's more defensive over you speaking about a practice that some scholars in Shaam do, even though you didn't mention those scholars, than he is about his student insulting the Prophet ﷺ. That's the lion of Ahl Sunnah??
Legal rulings don’t change because of linguistic meanings. The Hadrah also referred to as a raks (dance) in Sufi and Fiqh books. You should read what Sufi malaki scholars like Ahmed Zaruq have said regarding it. There is a difference of opinion amongst the Sufi scholars on its permissibility.
You have faulty act to sheikh noorudeen, you dont stating the insult to the prophet clearly in this video : who doing it when he doing it etc. Sheikh Asrar dont hear what sheikh nooruden is saying just ignoring it.
Asrar isn't attacking him, even though he should attack him for defending the Deobandi kufr. As if abhorrent is a fiqh ruling😂. However, the truth is on these matters their is khilaaf. I don't agree with hadra, but sunnis on the West of Hejaz allow such things. It is likely down to urf considerations of a people
@yourstruly5706 Ignoring the deobandi red herring. The truth of the matter is that a claim was made by Sh Asrar that he misquoted Ibn Abideen which turned out to be false and in doing so Sh Asrar ended up misquoting. The matter wasn't whether Sunnis do it, rather what was the position of Ibn Abideen / Hanafi Madhab
The Blessed Sahaba عليهم الرضوان performing Raqs ie dancing is proven from various narrations of Hadith Sharif including from the Musnad of Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal رحمه الله
Any Asrar student or fan reading this if you have any love for the Prophet peace be upon him then get your hero Asrar to make a video condemning Hasans insult against the Prophet peace be upon him. Dont be hypocrites srand with the Prophet peace be upon him
This clarification should be sufficient to present the stance of the scholars who are upon the methodology of Imam Ahmed Rida which is the same as the methodology of the Ahlus Sunnah. Shaykh Asrar has also confirmed this, Syed Muzaffar Shah has also. th-cam.com/video/zZTj-3xZxzA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=CLbO39tmDy6M3UwH
Lots of Sufis have jumped on this video. You lot don't need to comment here just get one of your superhero Pirs to miraculously make this video disappear. Sufis Pirs = Marvel studios
Asrar Rashid humiliated by sheikh Nooruddeen. He should have stuck to arguing with uneducated wahabis. People of knowledge always humiliate this brelvi lion
Do you really think he sits there and edits the images? Also, the image is clearly from the original video he's referring to. If Shaykh Asrar looks aggressive that's because he was in the video. You're making out like they made an AI image or something 😂 Also your issue is the thumbnail and not that Shaykh Asrar wrongly accused him of misquoting and ended up misquoting himself. That says it all.
It is confirmed that Ja’far ibn Abu Talib (r) danced in the presence of the Holy Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) when he said to him, “You resemble me in my creation and my behaviour.” Ali (radiyallâhu `anhu) said: ‘I visited the Prophet with Ja`far (ibn Abi Talib) and Zayd (ibn Haritha). The Prophet said to Zayd: “You are my freedman” (anta mawlay), whereupon Zayd began to hop on one leg around the Prophet (hajala). The Prophet then said to Ja`far: “You resemble me in my creation and my manners”, Ali (radiyallâhu `anhu) said: I visited the Prophet with Ja`far (ibn Abi Talib and Zayd (ibn Haritha). The Prophet said to Zayd: “You are my freedman” (anta mawlay), whereupon Zayd began to hop on one leg around the prophet (hajala). The Prophet then said to Ja`far: “You resemble me in my creation and my manners” (anta ashbahta khalqi wa khuluqi), whereupon Ja`far began to hop behind Zayd. The Prophet then said to me: “You pertain to me and I pertain to you” (anta minni wa ana minka) whereupon I began to hop behind Ja`far. [Ahmad, Musnad 1:108 (#860).] Shaykh Sanusi in his Musrat al-faqir. Ibn Layun at-Tujibi said, “As for dancing in the mosque, it is in the Sahih Muslim collection from A`isha (r) who said, An army came from Ethiopia beating drums on the day of the feast in the mosque. The Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) invited me and I put my palms on his shoulders and watched them play.’” Ibn ‘Aynia said that ‘zafaf’ was to dance. If it was forbidden in its essence, it would not have been done in the presence of the Messenger of Allah (صلى الله عليه وسلم). Watch Video: Here Two Hadîths from Imâm Ahmad ibn Hanbal’s Musnad To begin with, here is a chain of authority from Shaykh Tahir-ul-Qadri back to the great Imâm! Shaykh Tahir-ul-Qadri narrates from al-Imâm Ahmad ibn Hanbal (radiyallâhu `anhu) via many unbroken chains of authority, of which the following is one: From ash-Shaykh `Alawî ibn `Abbâs al-Mâlikî (the father of ash-Shaykh Muhammad `Alawî al-Mâlikî); Who from Muhaddith al-Haramayn `Umar ibn Hamdân al-Mahrisî; Who from ash-Shaykh Ahmad ibn Ismâ`îl al-Barzanjî; Who from ash-Shaykh Ahmad ibn Zaynî Dahlân; Who from ash-Shaykh `Uthmân ibn Hasan ad-Dimyâtî; Who from al-Imâm Abî `Abdullâh Muhammad ibn Muhammad al-Amîr al-Kabîr al-Misrî; Who from ash-Shaykh Abil-Hasan `Alî ibn Ahmad al-`Adawî as-Sa`îdî al-Misrî; Who from ash-Shaykh Muhammad ibn `Uqayla al-Makkî; Who from ash-Shaykh Hasan ibn `Alî al-`Ujaymî; Who from ash-Shaykh Safiyyuddîn Ahmad ibn Muhammad al-Qashâshî al-Madanî; Who from ash-Shaykh Shamsuddîn ibn Ahmad ar-Ramlî; Who from ash-Shaykh al-Qâdî Zakariyâ ibn Muhammad al-Ansârî; Who from al-Hâfiz ash-Shihâb Ahmad ibn Hajar al-`Asqalânî; Who from ash-Shaykh as-Sâlih ibn Abî `Umar al-Maqdisî; Who from ash-Shaykh Fakhruddîn `Alî ibn Ahmad al-Bukhârî; Who from ash-Shaykh Abî `Alî Hanbal ibn `Abdullâh ibn al-Faraj al-Makbar; Who from Abil-Qâsim Hibatullâh ibn Muhammad ibn `Abdul-Wâhid ash-Shaybânî; Who from Abî `Alî al-Hasan ibn `Alî at-Tamîmî; Who from Abî Bakr Ahmad ibn Ja`far ibn Hamdân al-Qatî`î; Who from `Abdullâh ibn Ahmad ibn Hanbal; Who from his father al-Imâm Ahmad ibn Hanbal ash-Shaybânî [164-241] (radiyallâhu `anhu). Imâm Ahmad ibn Hanbal (ra) narrates the following two narrations: Anas ibn Mâlik (radiyallâhu `anhu) said that the Abyssinians (Habashîs) danced in front of the Messenger of Allâh (sallallâhu `alayhi wa sallam); dancing (yarquSûn/raqS) while saying “Muhammadis a Righteous Servant (Muhammadun `Abdun Sâlih)” (in their dialect/language). Allâh’s Messenger (sallallâhu `alayhi wa sallam) asked, “What are they saying?” And they responded, “Muhammadun ‘Abdun Sâlih!”. [Ahmad ibn Hanbal, al-Musnad (Beirut: Dâr Sâdir), 3:152, #12564] This has been narrated with a chain of transmission all of whose narrators are those of Bukhari except Hammad ibn Salama, who is one of the narrators of Muslim. Related to this, Imâm Ahmad ibn Hanbal also reports the following in his Musnad: “Aisha stated that Allâh’s Messenger (صلى الله عليه وسلم) put her cheek on his shoulder while looking at the Abyssinians (Habashîs) dance.” Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (ra) himself said about the Sûfîs: “I don’t know people better than them.” Someone said to him: “They listen to music and they reach states of ecstasy.” He said: “Do you prevent them from enjoying an hour with Allâh?” (Muhammad ibn Ahmad as-Saffarînî al-Hanbalî (died 1188) who related in his Ghidha’ al-albab li-sharh manzumat al-adab from Ibrahim ibn `Abd Allah al-Qalanasi) (Cairo: Matba`at al-Najah, 1324/1906) In some Hadîths the word used is yazfinûn. But this word itself means yarquSûn (they dance) according to the classical authorities of Islam: Qâdî `Iyâd, Sharh Sahîh Muslim, Kitâb Salâtul-`Îdayn 3:310 (yazfinûna ma`nâhû yarquSûn waz-zifunu ar-raquS); an-Nawawî, Sharh Sahîh Muslim, Kitâb Salâtul-`Îdayn, 6:186 (yazfinûna hâdhâ kâna yazfinûn fî yawmil-`îd ma`nâhû yarquSûn); `Asqalânî, Fathul-bârî, 2:444 (yazfinûn ay yarquSûn). Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Hajar al-Haytamî mentions that some scholars have seen in this evidence for the permissibility of dancing (ar-raqs) upon hearing a recital (samâ`) that lifts the spirit.(al-Haytamî, Fatâwâ hadithiyya p. 212). al-Yâfi`î concurs with him in Mir’ât al-jinân.(al-Yâfi`î, Mir’ât al-jinân, 4:154). Both of them mention al-`Izz ibn `Abdus-Salâm as the chief example of such scholars, since it is authentically reported that he himself ‘attended the samâ` and danced in states of ecstasy’ (kâna yahduru al-samâ` wa yarqusu wa yatawâjadu), as stated by Ibn al-`Imâd on the authority of al-Dhahabî, Ibn Shâkir al- Kutabî, al-Yâfi`î, an-Nabahânî, and Abû al- Sa`âdat. (Ibn al-`Imâd, Shadharat al-dhahab 5:302; Ibn Shâkir al-Kutabî, Fawat al-wafâyat, 1:595; al-Yâfi`î, Mir’ât al-jinân, 4:154; an-Nabahânî, Jâmi` karamât al-awliyâ, 2:71; Abû al-Sa`âdat, Tâj al-ma`ârif, p. 250)
@@TrueSunni Imam al-Ghazali (Allah shower His mercy upon him) in his Ihya explains: If raqs (moving whilst making dhikr) was forbidden (haram), then Sayyidah ‘Aisha would have not looked towards the Abyssinians - along with the Prophet ﷺ - while they were doing raqs. Shaykh Ibn Ajibah (Allah shower His mercy upon him) writes in Sharh al-Mabahith: The impartiality in the matter is to say that the origin of raqs is permitted. He further writes: I say there are mass narrations from both the old and new Sufis, east and west, that they gather for the dhikr of Allah ﷻ, [and whilst] standing they make raqs (movement). It has not reached us from anyone among the trusted scholars that they have placed denial upon them. Verily I have seen in Fez in Zawiyah al-Saqliyiin a group making the dhikr of Allah ﷻ, and performing raqs [standing dhikr with movement] from the ‘Asr prayer on the day of Jumuah until Maghrib prayer; this was done in the presence of many scholars, and not a single one of them denounced it.
@@yusuf619rahmanibrother this is a Hanafi discussion. Sheikh Nooruddeen has already said that the Shafis may allow it. Please watch the video before commenting
It was already made public so required Shaykh Noorud-deen to reply publicly. Also Shaykh Asrar's students were the one sending this to Shaykh Noorud-deen and saying it was about him. Later on Shaykh Noorud-deen received a screenshot of Shaykh Asrar confirming it is about him.
It was clear enough even before the clarification, those that have read the answer and know Shaykh Asrar know that he flip flops regularly, and plays games regularly. Without naming, he managed to name 😂😂
Amazing how these scholars spend their time criticising each other rather than reviving the Ummah. TH-cam recommended this video but I won't be wasting my time with this nonsense again. I can see now why we have the genocide in Gaza when we have these scholars leading us. Time for the youth to rise
What's truly amazing is how people blindly follow modern day scholars such that they can't even comprehend that just because they do something doesn't make it right and unanimous. As demonstrated in this video
@@TrueSunni I'm not a Sufi I'm just an Arab from a Sufi family. My grandfather used to organize Hadra every week. It's a lot and a lot of dhikr. To say it's dancing is very reductionist. While now I'm against Sufism because it attracts the grandiose personality types, I can still be fair. Something you don't seem able to comprehend with your presumption about me.
@@truth-z7x dancing is not haram actually , there's no proof of it being haram the only case of it being haram and bidah is if the people doing it thinking that it's a form of worship (zikr is a form of worship ,dancing while doing zikr is mubah) or if they dance like woman .
I love you Brother! But, this post is ridiculous! Shaykh Asrar is a good man.He teaches Sunnah. I personally chant zikr myself. Especially, when I am feeling temptation. Now, I don't get up and twirl around like a Sufi dervish. But, I don't think Zikr Hadra is haram. Nonetheless, I am not a scholar.I humbly ask, the brothers who read this post. Too please pray for Palestine and Lebanon.
It's ridiculous that he's responding to accusations of misquoting Ibn Abideen by Shaykh Asrar? What a ridiculous thing for you to say. He did not say Shaykh Asrar is not a good man nor that he doesn't teach Sunnah. This video, if you watched it, was about the position of the Hanafi Madhab on the issue and what you personally do or feel doesn't change the ruling in the Madhab brother. May Allah Most High protect and aid our brothers and sister in Palestine, Lebanon and everywhere else.
Get Asrar to make a video against his student Hasan insulting the Prophet peace be upon him. Why is Asrar making videos about defending Sufi dances and not insults his students are doing. Complete hypocrisy
Shaykh asrar is a good man who makes videos saying someone is shameless and is misleading people and misquoting scholars and it turns out he's talking nonsense and the shaykh did none of that
Look at Asrar he is completely silent about his student Hasan insulting the Prophet peace upon him But he makes a video to defend his stupid sufi dancing. What are his priorities?
Of course he is because he is telling you not to dance in the masjid. You need a pir who tells you he is so pious he doesn't need to pray. Crazy Sufis are like Hindus
Ask Asrar he has sh Nurudin number he could have called before posting his video first. After that it was a public matter so sh Nurudin had to respond publicly
@ so continue the online back and forth that’s the solution ? Sounds like a childish way of handling a situation - Sheikh Nurudin made a claim online another sheikh responded then the best way to handle that video is to make a response back to the sheikh video !! Brother please most of us are adults handle a situation professionally or just shut up
This is not the definition of dance in the arabic language. Also this could apply to rocking back and forth while reciting Quran while sitting. Does it need to be accompanied by music to be considered dance?
The Blessed Sahaba عليهم الرضوان performing Raqs ie dancing is proven from various narrations of Hadith Sharif including from the Musnad of Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal رحمه الله
@@rathernot6660 You are a dirty filty liar Shaytan. Hadrah is not forbidden in Deen al-Islam. You don't like Hadrah ,that is ok. Just leave Muslims alone who like to perform the Hadrah , or whirling. The proof that both are permissible in Deen al-Islam is enough for the Muslim who like to perform Hadrah or whirling.
Asrar is all over the place. He always contradicts himself. Nobody knows what he is saying. Lately he has been promoting Qadyani belief of revelation after the Prophet peace be upon him
Written Answer: islamanswers.co.uk/question/is-hadra-sufi-dance-permissible-in-the-hanafi-madhab
Hasan Response: th-cam.com/video/VsQbSxm0XTs/w-d-xo.html
Alhamdulillah I was hoping for another alternative to a certain famous Islamic websites that does Q&A. Inshallah this website becomes successful
what adab! subhanAllah! may Allah bless you and sheikh asrar rashid. true sunnis
Asrar did not speak with Adab in his video
@@truth-z7x true, I meant this sheikh. his intentions were good, however your right.
Hahahaha “true sunnis”
Shahid Ali this is how you do it. Not your silly moments of madness. Be a man, don't run scared when you see Asrar.
He has no choice his Mufti decides what he does Shahid is a puppet of the pir.
Now the pir has been declared kafir and Shahid Ali is lost.
That's what happens when you are Sufi brelvi
Are you deobandi?
lol fax
@@spreaderofalhaqqAssalam Alaykum wa rahmatullah. Out of curiosity, is it possible to be Maturid Hanafi without being a Barelvi or Deobandi.?
@@AbdurRahman_Federick. yes, take a look at Syrian hanafis, Turkish hanafis ect barelvi deobandi is mainly a south Asian thing. It is haram to use such titles to refer to your beliefs. The only titles that you should call yourself by is Sunni maturidi/ashari and hanafi/maliki/shafi/hanbali. Because all fall within ahlus sunnah wal jammah
If this was the other way round the barelwis would've jumped on it like mufti Tariq masood incident. Most of them are like a cult unfortunately. As someone who grew up in barelwi mosques, most of the talks were about hatred against deobandi/ wahabi. I decided to go to their Mosques and see what they talk about. They just talked about connecting yourself back to Allah and the do and donts in islam. So i decided im done withbthese barelwi scholars. If you look whilst the barelwi scholars in the past and present are fueling hatred. The deobandis ahave just got on with it producing thousands of huffaz and ulama male and female with countless darul ulooms across Uk. On the otherside drug dealers and groomers in Rotherham, Rochdale and bradford etc. Allah unite us and guide us ameen
Deobandis have problems too. Bro say away from all sectarianism. Simple
@ishyusuf4320 did you just compare a matter of aqeedah (beliefs about the Qur'an and Prophet) to a matter of fiqh?
I was deeply disturbed by this comment, initially I thought I should ignore it, however I cannot sit by silently while the honor of my masters have been attacked. You have generalized the majority to be a cult but this is far from the truth. I have been attending the masajid and majalis for years and alhamdulillah I have learned much about the Khasais of our Habib Sallallahu Alaihi wasallam and love of Allah and his rasool one should have and how to connect to the Awliya of Allah. Yes we are not living in a utopia where we can just unite with every deviant sect, as per the Hadith about the 73 sects. As for the deobandis although they may be similar in many aspects yet there are some core beliefs that have not entirely been abandoned that are blasphemous. the beliefs may have been abandoned but the elders haven't been, those who have made those remarks. It is imperative that our scholars guide the people so they do not stray from the path. Hence it is correct to condemn and warn against particular groups in this day and age. And alhamdulillah if you look into the history in the subcontinent unparalleled works have been done. It is quite common and easy to assume that barelwis are backward and are in a tribal war but this is due to a lack of understanding of the urdu language and about our scholars. Please look into Imam Ahmed Rida Khan, Fadl ul Haq Khairabadi, Mehr Ali Shah, Naeem ud Din Muradabadi, Ahmed Yar Khan Naeemi and their contributions to the religion. And in recent times Ahmed Saeed Kazmi, Shah Ahmed Noorani, Faiz Ahmed Owaisi, and Madani Miya. Their speeches can be found and The list goes on. Yes it can argued that more works need to be done in English and the transition from urdu to English has not occurred. Faults can be found but this reflects on the people more, you can't deem a tradition or a methodology to be corrupt on the basis of the people. Noor Ud Din has used a clip and has not explained how the debater is committing blasphemy. He has said it is abhorrent and must be condemned but hasn't given an explanation. In that clip the narrator didn't even justify it and said it was said in Kaifiyat, but he said you must do justice and narrate the full story. Yes the statement itself is incorrect and kufr. The full story is that the Shaykh himself deemed the statement to be completely false. And also the story is unconfirmed. If one is claiming the debater is committing blasphemy they must give evidence. This is very unclear and it is dangerous allegation to deem an entire tradition as supporters of blasphemy and it is slander if not clarified. May Allah guide us and protect the honor of his Habib Sallallahu Alaihi wasallam and may he place the truth in our tongues.
@@zaynulabideenkamal1038i appreciate the comment- but realistically no deobandi has blasphemed. What you think is blasphemous statement and their consequences are obviously denied by the deobandis. Take for eg the possibility of allah taala lying - a position held by imams sharif al Jurjani, Al iji and others as attested to by Shaykh Saeed Fodeh on his book on this issue.
Similarly, many issues are of such a nature- what you claim the deobandis say, the deobandis deny. Whenever both do agree, the difference therein is in the meaning of those statements.
@@Innominate74949 deny the fact that it was said? Although it was documented? Or reject the statements? But the issue is that are the elders rejected as kaafir? Generally the response is they had repented but there is nothing public of the repentance. and otherwise the statements are given an interpretation. as if there is any interpretation for the blasphemous remarks? Once the elders are rejected then inshallah we can progress. The elders and their books which contain blasphemy need to be rejected.
First Asrar defends dancing in the masjid and calling worship
Now he is praising insults against the Prophet peace be upon him
Did the poison kill brain cells
The Sufis have arrived to tell us hadra is not dancing. Even Asrar accepted it is dancing.
Is hte najdi sword-dancing...dancing?
@navoxford8406 There's nothing wrong with dancing. It is good exercise, the sufis and people in general could do with losing a few stone.
Having said that the sahaba had their cultural war dance and weren't prohibited from it, so not sure one can prohibit others unless they're dirty.
Asrar did not make a video when his student insulted the Prophet peace be upon him
But when his sufi disco is attacked he released a video
Are people understanding what these sufis are all about?
The lowest sufi is better than you.
You leave such a claim that doing it takes anyone outside islam and yet you had left no evidence
Narrated Abu Dhar:
That he heard the Prophet (ﷺ) saying, "If somebody accuses another of Fusuq (by calling him 'Fasiq' i.e. a wicked person) or accuses him of Kufr, such an accusation will revert to him (i.e. the accuser) if his companion (the accused) is innocent."
Sahih al-Bukhari 6045
In-book reference : Book 78, Hadith 75
@@SOMEONE-eq5bu When did he say it takes them out of Islam?
We are starting to see what madhkalis are about also since the gazan war
@@DeenCentre insulting any prophet takes you out of Islam
The reality is that in the ibarat that has been quoted, the discussion is regarding raqs, not regarding hadrah. There seems to have been a misapplication of the daleel presented. You have mistakenly applied the wording used for raqs onto hadrah.
So the reality is that hashiya is not saying hadrah is Haram or kufr. Rather, it is talking about raqs.
The second point is that it hasn't mentioned all raqs is haram. Yes, it's said a type of raqs is haram. However, not all raqs are haram or kufr like the raqs in Bukhari of the Habashah.
So, a re reading of this ibarat is needed. Insha'Allah.
Speak to your hero Asrar he applied dancing to the hadra too. Can't change the discussion after you lose
Stop deceiving people even Asrar accepted that the text was about Hadra.
Asrar is known to lie. He lie about "deadly poison" when it wasn't deadly at all. Either he's ignorant or he's a liar.
Why are you encouraging people to dance and call it worship are you hindu
He literally addressed the pages Shaykh Asrar was using
Nice explanation Shaykh, I like your style of speech and delivery. Hope to see you one day. Don't bother with Asrar bhai's Blunders. We are use to them now.
Its such a minor legal point that Asrar should have simply left alone.
Yes Asrar should be dealing with his student Hasan insulting the Prophet peace be upon him.
Then why did noor addeen bring it up? You guys have such cognitive dissonance it's crazy
@@mohammedumaraziz8282 - You can't throw shade in one direction and not expect a response
@@User-k6z5mCheck recent livestream by sh Nurudin
Who makes it on the 14th Century list of classical scholars? My opinion (lets agree to disagree if you want): Sheikh Abdul Fattah Abu Ghuddah, Sheikh Abul Hasan Ali Nadwi, Mahmud Hasan Al Madni and Mufti Taqi Al Uthmani.
All agree. Also Shaykh Yunus Junpuri
Whoever disagrees they are have no ilm
Who else can be more learnerd than them
@@ni3467definitely not you, you can’t even spell learned correctly
Allamah Zahid Al-Kawthari
Assalamu 'Alaikum. His name is Abdul Fattah Abu Ghuddah(Rh), not ibn Ghuddah
@@purityandaspiration Jazakumullahu Khairan for pointing that out .
Asrar can never debate sh Nurudin because he is not sectarian
Asrar can only win arguments with people who are sectarian like him
Then why did noor addeen bring it up? You guys have such cognitive dissonance it's crazy
@@mohammedumaraziz8282huh?
@@mohammedumaraziz8282speaking of cognitive dissonance when you can't even spell someone's name is brilliant.
Shaykh Noor wrote his answer months ago, with no reference to any one in particular.
Shaykh Asrar released a tiktok in his normal style, attacking shaykh Noor for 'misquoting', while misquoting Ibn Abideen himself.
What a joke
Shaykh Asrar (hh) has done fine work for the Ummah, a great scholar.
Asrar thought he was a gangster but he messed with the wrong person here. He will try to ambush sh Nurudin at a wedding next
No he won't.
@@truth-z7x lol, Asrar will tear him a new backside. Nurudin makes up fiqh ruling like abhorrent 😂🤣😂
@yourstruly5706 whether you agree with the opinion of Noor Ud Din or not, we are Muslims, speaking in a public forum. We should try to keep adhab when we are speaking. There is no need for such vulgarity.
Asrar is all over the place. He always contradicts himself. Nobody knows what he is saying.
Lately he has been promoting Qadyani belief of revelation after the Prophet peace be upon him
What a shocking statement that you don’t one sectarianism
Asrar owned again, bt sheikh Nooruddeen
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Brelvis your hero Asrar has no response to this video. Sh Nurudin exposed his ignorance. Asrar doesnt even know how to read fiqh books properly.
And he is trying to convince Muslims that dancing is worship of Allah Tala
People in the comments section pointing out that Hadrah isn’t dance 😂 Do a group Dhikr without dancing in circles then.
Lost Sufis what do you expect
Is going into ruku a dance also? How about nodding your head?
Didn't the Prophet salallahu alaihi wasallam watch a group of Abyssinians perform a type of dance with his wife Aisha radiAllahu anha?
Do you class skipping as dancing then?
Do you class running as dancing then?
Do you class running as dancing then?
Can these sufis comment on the part about insulting the Prophet peace be upon him or do they only care about defending their cult leader sheikhs.
Sufis destroy islam from the inside
Yeah, we need more wobblers. They bought KFC to the Haram.
@@n.a.1397typical Sufi, someone is talking about the honour of the prophet and blasphemy and you only care about KFC
Islam spread throughout the world in history by SPUBS
@@asrarahmed177 HAHA. Exaclty. These najdis are a blessing to islam because they do the sword dance with their master Trump. They are a blessing because they have destroyed our heritage, and replaced bin baz and uthaymeen with all the major scholars for 1400 years.
Lol .always remember one thing in Islam don't accuse anyone with a crime he did not commit because if you accusations are wrong then you will be held responsible for it on judgement day.SUFISM DESTROYED ISLAM or WAS it the NAJDI'S who created various terrorist organisations around the globe and they lectured others to ask only from ALLAH but they themselves bowed down to UNCLE SAM for protection. There is a word for these people and they are called QUFFARS.
Asrar thought he was picking faults in sheikh Nooruddeen knowledge but he made such stupid basoc errors
That is what happens when you get your student to insult the Prophet peace be upon him
What's the issue with his student? What'd he say?
a-salamu alaykum
I made a video about Hadra soufi. With the fatwâ from the fatwa from the 4 Mufti of the 4 madhab, in Châm Syria. Link :
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So, Asrar either doesn't know how to read, or he doesn't know Hanafi fiqh well, or he's spreading Fitnah or he's deliberately misrepresenting what you said and what Ibn Abideen said...
And it also seems he's more defensive over you speaking about a practice that some scholars in Shaam do, even though you didn't mention those scholars, than he is about his student insulting the Prophet ﷺ.
That's the lion of Ahl Sunnah??
Brelvis only defend the Prophet peace be upon him when it helps their Sect.
They are shameless hypocrites.
Eazy tiger
The lion of Ahlus Sunnah is Ahmed Deedat --- no major sect disagrees with him!
Wrong. Hadrah is not a sufi dance! Hadrah literally means "presence". It is a collective form of remembrance of Allah.
Well the dancing is part of it
@@IbrahimAhmed-ly4vi wrong. There is no dancing involved.
@@knightkiller329362are you blind
Without lies sufism dies@@knightkiller329362
Legal rulings don’t change because of linguistic meanings. The Hadrah also referred to as a raks (dance) in Sufi and Fiqh books. You should read what Sufi malaki scholars like Ahmed Zaruq have said regarding it. There is a difference of opinion amongst the Sufi scholars on its permissibility.
Barelwi wars 😂
Green owes enjoying their dances
Sh Nurudin is not brelvi don't slander him
Define Brelvi please.
You have faulty act to sheikh noorudeen, you dont stating the insult to the prophet clearly in this video : who doing it when he doing it etc.
Sheikh Asrar dont hear what sheikh nooruden is saying just ignoring it.
Asrar keep attacking sh Nurudin he will put you in your place.
No chance that Asrar will respond to this video.
Have some adab
Are you a deobandi?
Asrar isn't attacking him, even though he should attack him for defending the Deobandi kufr. As if abhorrent is a fiqh ruling😂. However, the truth is on these matters their is khilaaf. I don't agree with hadra, but sunnis on the West of Hejaz allow such things. It is likely down to urf considerations of a people
@yourstruly5706 Ignoring the deobandi red herring. The truth of the matter is that a claim was made by Sh Asrar that he misquoted Ibn Abideen which turned out to be false and in doing so Sh Asrar ended up misquoting. The matter wasn't whether Sunnis do it, rather what was the position of Ibn Abideen / Hanafi Madhab
Debate
No way Asrar will debate sh Nurudin. Never
Asrar knows better. Sheikh Nooruddeen will end him
@@TrueSunniis he ashari aswell? Or matarudi ?? Deobandi ? Anyone know ?
Debate what??😂😂😂 he's just shut Asrar down, all his points were nonsense and he misquoted Ibn Abideen himself. There's nothing left to debate
@@muhammadjameel4240what sect is this guy??? Do you know ?
Is hadra from the Quran and sunnah end of conversation
Not sure how asking a question ends the conversation but okay
Yes
@@asrarahmed177 Not the position of the Hanafi Madhab
The Blessed Sahaba عليهم الرضوان performing Raqs ie dancing is proven from various narrations of Hadith Sharif including from the Musnad of Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal رحمه الله
Is the hanafi madhab the be all and end all?
Any Asrar student or fan reading this if you have any love for the Prophet peace be upon him then get your hero Asrar to make a video condemning Hasans insult against the Prophet peace be upon him.
Dont be hypocrites srand with the Prophet peace be upon him
This clarification should be sufficient to present the stance of the scholars who are upon the methodology of Imam Ahmed Rida which is the same as the methodology of the Ahlus Sunnah. Shaykh Asrar has also confirmed this, Syed Muzaffar Shah has also. th-cam.com/video/zZTj-3xZxzA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=CLbO39tmDy6M3UwH
Lots of Sufis have jumped on this video.
You lot don't need to comment here just get one of your superhero Pirs to miraculously make this video disappear.
Sufis Pirs = Marvel studios
Sufis are Dangar. Closer to Hinduism than Islam
Atheist emotional argument... If Allah exists He shouldn't allow bad things to happen...
Asrar Rashid humiliated by sheikh Nooruddeen. He should have stuck to arguing with uneducated wahabis. People of knowledge always humiliate this brelvi lion
I'm sure your intention was pure when picking the images for thumbnail making one to look aggressive and the other as a humble person.
Do you really think he sits there and edits the images? Also, the image is clearly from the original video he's referring to. If Shaykh Asrar looks aggressive that's because he was in the video. You're making out like they made an AI image or something 😂
Also your issue is the thumbnail and not that Shaykh Asrar wrongly accused him of misquoting and ended up misquoting himself. That says it all.
It is confirmed that Ja’far ibn Abu Talib (r) danced in the presence of the Holy Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) when he said to him,
“You resemble me in my creation and my behaviour.”
Ali (radiyallâhu `anhu) said:
‘I visited the Prophet with Ja`far (ibn Abi Talib) and Zayd (ibn Haritha). The Prophet said to Zayd: “You are my freedman” (anta mawlay), whereupon Zayd began to hop on one leg around the Prophet (hajala). The Prophet then said to Ja`far: “You resemble me in my creation and my manners”,
Ali (radiyallâhu `anhu) said:
I visited the Prophet with Ja`far (ibn Abi Talib and Zayd (ibn Haritha). The Prophet said to Zayd: “You are my freedman” (anta mawlay), whereupon Zayd began to hop on one leg around the prophet (hajala). The Prophet then said to Ja`far: “You resemble me in my creation and my manners” (anta ashbahta khalqi wa khuluqi), whereupon Ja`far began to hop behind Zayd.
The Prophet then said to me: “You pertain to me and I pertain to you” (anta minni wa ana minka) whereupon I began to hop behind Ja`far.
[Ahmad, Musnad 1:108 (#860).]
Shaykh Sanusi in his Musrat al-faqir.
Ibn Layun at-Tujibi said, “As for dancing in the mosque, it is in the Sahih Muslim collection from A`isha (r) who said,
An army came from Ethiopia beating drums on the day of the feast in the mosque. The Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) invited me and I put my palms on his shoulders and watched them play.’”
Ibn ‘Aynia said that ‘zafaf’ was to dance. If it was forbidden in its essence, it would not have been done in the presence of the Messenger of Allah (صلى الله عليه وسلم).
Watch Video: Here
Two Hadîths from Imâm Ahmad ibn Hanbal’s Musnad
To begin with, here is a chain of authority from Shaykh Tahir-ul-Qadri back to the great Imâm!
Shaykh Tahir-ul-Qadri narrates from al-Imâm Ahmad ibn Hanbal (radiyallâhu `anhu) via many unbroken chains of authority, of which the following is one:
From ash-Shaykh `Alawî ibn `Abbâs al-Mâlikî (the father of ash-Shaykh Muhammad `Alawî al-Mâlikî);
Who from Muhaddith al-Haramayn `Umar ibn Hamdân al-Mahrisî;
Who from ash-Shaykh Ahmad ibn Ismâ`îl al-Barzanjî;
Who from ash-Shaykh Ahmad ibn Zaynî Dahlân;
Who from ash-Shaykh `Uthmân ibn Hasan ad-Dimyâtî;
Who from al-Imâm Abî `Abdullâh Muhammad ibn Muhammad al-Amîr al-Kabîr al-Misrî;
Who from ash-Shaykh Abil-Hasan `Alî ibn Ahmad al-`Adawî as-Sa`îdî al-Misrî;
Who from ash-Shaykh Muhammad ibn `Uqayla al-Makkî;
Who from ash-Shaykh Hasan ibn `Alî al-`Ujaymî;
Who from ash-Shaykh Safiyyuddîn Ahmad ibn Muhammad al-Qashâshî al-Madanî;
Who from ash-Shaykh Shamsuddîn ibn Ahmad ar-Ramlî;
Who from ash-Shaykh al-Qâdî Zakariyâ ibn Muhammad al-Ansârî;
Who from al-Hâfiz ash-Shihâb Ahmad ibn Hajar al-`Asqalânî;
Who from ash-Shaykh as-Sâlih ibn Abî `Umar al-Maqdisî;
Who from ash-Shaykh Fakhruddîn `Alî ibn Ahmad al-Bukhârî;
Who from ash-Shaykh Abî `Alî Hanbal ibn `Abdullâh ibn al-Faraj al-Makbar;
Who from Abil-Qâsim Hibatullâh ibn Muhammad ibn `Abdul-Wâhid ash-Shaybânî;
Who from Abî `Alî al-Hasan ibn `Alî at-Tamîmî;
Who from Abî Bakr Ahmad ibn Ja`far ibn Hamdân al-Qatî`î;
Who from `Abdullâh ibn Ahmad ibn Hanbal;
Who from his father al-Imâm Ahmad ibn Hanbal ash-Shaybânî [164-241] (radiyallâhu `anhu).
Imâm Ahmad ibn Hanbal (ra) narrates the following two narrations:
Anas ibn Mâlik (radiyallâhu `anhu) said that the Abyssinians (Habashîs) danced in front of the Messenger of Allâh (sallallâhu `alayhi wa sallam); dancing (yarquSûn/raqS) while saying “Muhammadis a Righteous Servant (Muhammadun `Abdun Sâlih)” (in their dialect/language). Allâh’s Messenger (sallallâhu `alayhi wa sallam) asked, “What are they saying?” And they responded, “Muhammadun ‘Abdun Sâlih!”.
[Ahmad ibn Hanbal, al-Musnad (Beirut: Dâr Sâdir), 3:152, #12564]
This has been narrated with a chain of transmission all of whose narrators are those of Bukhari except Hammad ibn Salama, who is one of the narrators of Muslim.
Related to this, Imâm Ahmad ibn Hanbal also reports the following in his Musnad:
“Aisha stated that Allâh’s Messenger (صلى الله عليه وسلم) put her cheek on his shoulder while looking at the Abyssinians (Habashîs) dance.”
Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (ra) himself said about the Sûfîs:
“I don’t know people better than them.” Someone said to him: “They listen to music and they reach states of ecstasy.” He said: “Do you prevent them from enjoying an hour with Allâh?” (Muhammad ibn Ahmad as-Saffarînî al-Hanbalî (died 1188) who related in his Ghidha’ al-albab li-sharh manzumat al-adab from Ibrahim ibn `Abd Allah al-Qalanasi) (Cairo: Matba`at al-Najah, 1324/1906)
In some Hadîths the word used is yazfinûn. But this word itself means yarquSûn (they dance) according to the classical authorities of Islam:
Qâdî `Iyâd, Sharh Sahîh Muslim, Kitâb Salâtul-`Îdayn 3:310 (yazfinûna ma`nâhû yarquSûn waz-zifunu ar-raquS); an-Nawawî, Sharh Sahîh Muslim, Kitâb Salâtul-`Îdayn, 6:186 (yazfinûna hâdhâ kâna yazfinûn fî yawmil-`îd ma`nâhû yarquSûn); `Asqalânî, Fathul-bârî, 2:444 (yazfinûn ay yarquSûn).
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Hajar al-Haytamî mentions that some scholars have seen in this evidence for the permissibility of dancing (ar-raqs) upon hearing a recital (samâ`) that lifts the spirit.(al-Haytamî, Fatâwâ hadithiyya p. 212). al-Yâfi`î concurs with him in Mir’ât al-jinân.(al-Yâfi`î, Mir’ât al-jinân, 4:154).
Both of them mention al-`Izz ibn `Abdus-Salâm as the chief example of such scholars, since it is authentically reported that he himself ‘attended the samâ` and danced in states of ecstasy’ (kâna yahduru al-samâ` wa yarqusu wa yatawâjadu), as stated by Ibn al-`Imâd on the authority of al-Dhahabî, Ibn Shâkir al- Kutabî, al-Yâfi`î, an-Nabahânî, and Abû al- Sa`âdat. (Ibn al-`Imâd, Shadharat al-dhahab 5:302; Ibn Shâkir al-Kutabî, Fawat al-wafâyat, 1:595; al-Yâfi`î, Mir’ât al-jinân, 4:154; an-Nabahânî, Jâmi` karamât al-awliyâ, 2:71; Abû al-Sa`âdat, Tâj al-ma`ârif, p. 250)
Are you trying to say a Sahabi done hadra have some shame
@@TrueSunni Imam al-Ghazali (Allah shower His mercy upon him) in his Ihya explains:
If raqs (moving whilst making dhikr) was forbidden (haram), then Sayyidah ‘Aisha would have not looked towards the Abyssinians - along with the Prophet ﷺ - while they were doing raqs.
Shaykh Ibn Ajibah (Allah shower His mercy upon him) writes in Sharh al-Mabahith:
The impartiality in the matter is to say that the origin of raqs is permitted.
He further writes:
I say there are mass narrations from both the old and new Sufis, east and west, that they gather for the dhikr of Allah ﷻ, [and whilst] standing they make raqs (movement). It has not reached us from anyone among the trusted scholars that they have placed denial upon them. Verily I have seen in Fez in Zawiyah al-Saqliyiin a group making the dhikr of Allah ﷻ, and performing raqs [standing dhikr with movement] from the ‘Asr prayer on the day of Jumuah until Maghrib prayer; this was done in the presence of many scholars, and not a single one of them denounced it.
@@yusuf619rahmanibrother this is a Hanafi discussion. Sheikh Nooruddeen has already said that the Shafis may allow it. Please watch the video before commenting
@@yusuf619rahmanino ones reading all that essay when you mention Imam Ghazali when shaykh already clarified Imam Ghazali was in favour of it 😂
Ain't no one reading that essay bro
You mentioned he didn't reach out to you and call you (whilst he didn't mention your name) but did you reach out to him whilst you NAMED HIM?
It was already made public so required Shaykh Noorud-deen to reply publicly. Also Shaykh Asrar's students were the one sending this to Shaykh Noorud-deen and saying it was about him. Later on Shaykh Noorud-deen received a screenshot of Shaykh Asrar confirming it is about him.
And who are you 😂
@@IslamAnswers That part you mentioned wasn't mentioned in the video, so I hope you understand our query.
@@wonderingtraveller4786 I am a thinker, a truth seeker.
The clarification has been made, and brings the picture more clarity.
It was clear enough even before the clarification, those that have read the answer and know Shaykh Asrar know that he flip flops regularly, and plays games regularly. Without naming, he managed to name 😂😂
Amazing how these scholars spend their time criticising each other rather than reviving the Ummah. TH-cam recommended this video but I won't be wasting my time with this nonsense again. I can see now why we have the genocide in Gaza when we have these scholars leading us. Time for the youth to rise
Rise then. A Jahil like you doesn't know that scholars disagreeing and discussing means the haqq becomes clear
What's truly amazing is how people blindly follow modern day scholars such that they can't even comprehend that just because they do something doesn't make it right and unanimous. As demonstrated in this video
That translation is accurate. Just one correction, Hadra is not dancing. You said "basically it's dancing" but that's misleading.
Even Asrar accepted that it is dancing. You lot have been caught out , you didn't know Hanafis were against your Sufi dance
@@TrueSunni I'm not a Sufi I'm just an Arab from a Sufi family. My grandfather used to organize Hadra every week. It's a lot and a lot of dhikr. To say it's dancing is very reductionist. While now I'm against Sufism because it attracts the grandiose personality types, I can still be fair. Something you don't seem able to comprehend with your presumption about me.
@@j.r.r.tolkien8724it is dancing with zikr it is still haram why you trying to defend it.
@@truth-z7x dancing is not haram actually , there's no proof of it being haram the only case of it being haram and bidah is if the people doing it thinking that it's a form of worship (zikr is a form of worship ,dancing while doing zikr is mubah) or if they dance like woman .
@@truth-z7x You think I'm defending it just because I'm fair. Maybe you think they're correct in what they're doing.
The problem is that most Hanafis are not Hananfi,,, asrar is a big example
I love you Brother! But, this post is ridiculous! Shaykh Asrar is a good man.He teaches Sunnah. I personally chant zikr myself. Especially, when I am feeling temptation. Now, I don't get up and twirl around like a Sufi dervish. But, I don't think Zikr Hadra is haram. Nonetheless, I am not a scholar.I humbly ask, the brothers who read this post. Too please pray for Palestine and Lebanon.
It's ridiculous that he's responding to accusations of misquoting Ibn Abideen by Shaykh Asrar? What a ridiculous thing for you to say. He did not say Shaykh Asrar is not a good man nor that he doesn't teach Sunnah. This video, if you watched it, was about the position of the Hanafi Madhab on the issue and what you personally do or feel doesn't change the ruling in the Madhab brother. May Allah Most High protect and aid our brothers and sister in Palestine, Lebanon and everywhere else.
Get Asrar to make a video against his student Hasan insulting the Prophet peace be upon him.
Why is Asrar making videos about defending Sufi dances and not insults his students are doing.
Complete hypocrisy
He teaches Sunnah. What a joke. His student is insulting the Prophet peace be upon him and Asrar is silent.
Makes me sick
Shaykh asrar is a good man who makes videos saying someone is shameless and is misleading people and misquoting scholars and it turns out he's talking nonsense and the shaykh did none of that
Teaches Sunnah! He teaches people to insult the Prophet peace be upon him and dance like a dangar
Look at Asrar he is completely silent about his student Hasan insulting the Prophet peace upon him
But he makes a video to defend his stupid sufi dancing.
What are his priorities?
What did hasan say
What did he say?
Asrar exposed again. This time he can't read Arabic properly
Wouldn’t the Salah be synchronised movements? It’s certainly a sequence of movements.
Sufi dancing is not salah. Why are people so detached from the Sunnah?
@@TrueSunni it’s not dancing - completely different
@@charlesgumbley4949are you blind
You really are a clever guy aren't you
Wow, you gonna include twerking next 😂😂
Dancing should be defined. Is it dancing like pop stars or just moving out of happiness
Are you sick
This speaker in video is misguided
Of course he is because he is telling you not to dance in the masjid.
You need a pir who tells you he is so pious he doesn't need to pray.
Crazy Sufis are like Hindus
Why would you post this video go talk to each other ???
Ask Asrar he has sh Nurudin number he could have called before posting his video first.
After that it was a public matter so sh Nurudin had to respond publicly
@ so continue the online back and forth that’s the solution ? Sounds like a childish way of handling a situation - Sheikh Nurudin made a claim online another sheikh responded then the best way to handle that video is to make a response back to the sheikh video !! Brother please most of us are adults handle a situation professionally or just shut up
@@naveedatbein9819Are you upset that sh Nurudin battered your hero and completely exposed him
Asrar doesn't know how to read books of Fiqh
@ damn you got me better leave it to you to go fighting with your brothers and sisters
@@naveedatbein9819they are discussing a fiqh issue why you crying
The comment section is childish.
Define raqs
Define dance
Difference of opinion in fiqh is not sectarianism
And dancing is not childish?
Define dance
@@asrarahmed177Dancing; Noun: "The act of moving rhythmically to music, typically following a set sequence of steps."
This is not the definition of dance in the arabic language.
Also this could apply to rocking back and forth while reciting Quran while sitting.
Does it need to be accompanied by music to be considered dance?
@@asrarahmed177 you asked the question in English and you want a Arabic definition? Make it make sense.
Wobblers pretending they sunni
And sunnis are all called sufi by them
I think people are confusing the saifi dance who are powered by electric with sufi hadra.
All deviant but some is worse
No not confusing everyone knows the hadra is bidah like Ibn abideen said
funniest ones are when it's deviant vs deviant 😂😂😂
The lowest sufi is better than you
You must be a Wahabi deviant. They are the biggest cult
Homeless man calling another man homeless
@@IbrahimAhmed-ly4viYes brelvis wahabis Sufis and Deobandis are all deviant
If you want to know sahih hanfism just study ulam e deoband bro❤️
They are as bad as the brelvis or even worse. Ashraf Ali Thanwi was a big Sufi and has said the worst things
You mean Deogandis their elders used to say the most disgusting things
No
Hadra is not a dance. Astagfirullah!!
It is the dance of dangars
Sufi dangars
Can't they worship like normal humans
Mubtadee'ah upon mubtadee'ah. Heresy upon heresy
The Blessed Sahaba عليهم الرضوان performing Raqs ie dancing is proven from various narrations of Hadith Sharif including from the Musnad of Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal رحمه الله
@@39prod.54 bring your explicit proof ya ahlul bid'ah shaytaan!!! Don't generalize you liar
@@rathernot6660 You are a dirty filty liar Shaytan.
Hadrah is not forbidden in Deen al-Islam.
You don't like Hadrah ,that is ok.
Just leave Muslims alone who like to perform the Hadrah , or whirling.
The proof that both are permissible in Deen al-Islam is enough for the Muslim who like to perform Hadrah or whirling.
This guys needs help 😂
Why because he is saying dancing isn't worship
Pretty sure Shaykh Nuruddin was Hizb ut tahrir and not Ahlus-Sunnah
Pretty sure you are Deogandi
Pretty sure you don't know what you're talking about
Pretty sure you are an enemy of the Prophet peace be upon
Your hero Asrar is silent about his student Hasan insult against the Prophet peace be
Pretty sure you are from dangar party. Dancing around like nutters
Asrar is all over the place. He always contradicts himself. Nobody knows what he is saying.
Lately he has been promoting Qadyani belief of revelation after the Prophet peace be upon him