Written Answer: islamanswers.co.uk/question/is-hadra-sufi-dance-permissible-in-the-hanafi-madhab Hasan Response: th-cam.com/video/VsQbSxm0XTs/w-d-xo.html
The reality is that in the ibarat that has been quoted, the discussion is regarding raqs, not regarding hadrah. There seems to have been a misapplication of the daleel presented. You have mistakenly applied the wording used for raqs onto hadrah. So the reality is that hashiya is not saying hadrah is Haram or kufr. Rather, it is talking about raqs. The second point is that it hasn't mentioned all raqs is haram. Yes, it's said a type of raqs is haram. However, not all raqs are haram or kufr like the raqs in Bukhari of the Habashah. So, a re reading of this ibarat is needed. Insha'Allah.
Asrar did not make a video when his student insulted the Prophet peace be upon him But when his sufi disco is attacked he released a video Are people understanding what these sufis are all about?
You leave such a claim that doing it takes anyone outside islam and yet you had left no evidence Narrated Abu Dhar: That he heard the Prophet (ﷺ) saying, "If somebody accuses another of Fusuq (by calling him 'Fasiq' i.e. a wicked person) or accuses him of Kufr, such an accusation will revert to him (i.e. the accuser) if his companion (the accused) is innocent." Sahih al-Bukhari 6045 In-book reference : Book 78, Hadith 75
Asrar thought he was picking faults in sheikh Nooruddeen knowledge but he made such stupid basoc errors That is what happens when you get your student to insult the Prophet peace be upon him
@@mohammedumaraziz8282speaking of cognitive dissonance when you can't even spell someone's name is brilliant. Shaykh Noor wrote his answer months ago, with no reference to any one in particular. Shaykh Asrar released a tiktok in his normal style, attacking shaykh Noor for 'misquoting', while misquoting Ibn Abideen himself. What a joke
Who makes it on the 14th Century list of classical scholars? My opinion (lets agree to disagree if you want): Sheikh Abdul Fattah ibn Ghiddah, Sheikh Abul Hasan Ali Nadwi, Mahmud Hasan Al Madni and Mufti Taqi Al Uthmani.
Asrar Rashid humiliated by sheikh Nooruddeen. He should have stuck to arguing with uneducated wahabis. People of knowledge always humiliate this brelvi lion
Any Asrar student or fan reading this if you have any love for the Prophet peace be upon him then get your hero Asrar to make a video condemning Hasans insult against the Prophet peace be upon him. Dont be hypocrites srand with the Prophet peace be upon him
So, Asrar either doesn't know how to read, or he doesn't know Hanafi fiqh well, or he's spreading Fitnah or he's deliberately misrepresenting what you said and what Ibn Abideen said... And it also seems he's more defensive over you speaking about a practice that some scholars in Shaam do, even though you didn't mention those scholars, than he is about his student insulting the Prophet ﷺ. That's the lion of Ahl Sunnah??
Can these sufis comment on the part about insulting the Prophet peace be upon him or do they only care about defending their cult leader sheikhs. Sufis destroy islam from the inside
Look at Asrar he is completely silent about his student Hasan insulting the Prophet peace upon him But he makes a video to defend his stupid sufi dancing. What are his priorities?
@@TrueSunni Atop calling me a Liar!!! You clearly have never been to one!!! I have with Sheikh Muhsin An-Najjar he studied in Tarim Yemen!! You are ignorant!
These are words of original text 1. Music and Singing (Ghinaa and Mazameer): There is a difference of opinion among Islamic scholars about music and singing. Some say that singing is absolutely forbidden (haram) and listening to it is sinful. This is the view of Sheikh al-Islam. If someone hears it accidentally, there is no sin. Some scholars say it is not sinful if done unintentionally. Others believe that if the purpose of singing is to understand poetry better, it is permissible. Some scholars also permit it if it is done to relieve boredom, as long as it’s not used for amusement. If the poetry has wisdom or moral lessons, there is no harm in reciting it. 2. Poetry and Its Content: If poetry praises a specific living woman, it is disliked (makruh), but if the woman has passed away, it is not considered disliked. If the poetry is about a fictional woman, it is also not disliked. Poetry that mentions sinful acts, like alcohol or immoral behavior, is generally disliked, but the severity depends on whether it distracts someone from reciting the Quran or remembering Allah. 3. The Conduct of Some Sufis: Some people who call themselves Sufis have adopted specific clothing and engage in dancing and music. Sheikh Halwai (a scholar) was asked about them, and he strongly criticized their behavior, calling it a slander against Allah. He also mentioned that if such people are causing misguidance, they should be removed from the city to prevent others from being led astray. True Sufi elders did not engage in such behavior. In the past, it was common for someone to recite poetry that matched their emotional state, and they might have involuntarily expressed their feelings by standing or moving. This was not done for entertainment but out of deep spiritual feeling, and there is no blame in that. 4. Final Verdict: The actions of some modern-day Sufis, who engage in music and dance in a way that contradicts the teachings of earlier scholars, are condemned. These acts are considered haram (forbidden), and it is wrong to use the actions of pious predecessors as an excuse for such behavior. الفتاوى العالمكيرية = الفتاوى الهندية الباب السابع عشر في الغناء واللهو وسائر المعاصي والأمر بالمعروف
I love you Brother! But, this post is ridiculous! Shaykh Asrar is a good man.He teaches Sunnah. I personally chant zikr myself. Especially, when I am feeling temptation. Now, I don't get up and twirl around like a Sufi dervish. But, I don't think Zikr Hadra is haram. Nonetheless, I am not a scholar.I humbly ask, the brothers who read this post. Too please pray for Palestine and Lebanon.
It's ridiculous that he's responding to accusations of misquoting Ibn Abideen by Shaykh Asrar? What a ridiculous thing for you to say. He did not say Shaykh Asrar is not a good man nor that he doesn't teach Sunnah. This video, if you watched it, was about the position of the Hanafi Madhab on the issue and what you personally do or feel doesn't change the ruling in the Madhab brother. May Allah Most High protect and aid our brothers and sister in Palestine, Lebanon and everywhere else.
Get Asrar to make a video against his student Hasan insulting the Prophet peace be upon him. Why is Asrar making videos about defending Sufi dances and not insults his students are doing. Complete hypocrisy
Shaykh asrar is a good man who makes videos saying someone is shameless and is misleading people and misquoting scholars and it turns out he's talking nonsense and the shaykh did none of that
It was already made public so required Shaykh Noorud-deen to reply publicly. Also Shaykh Asrar's students were the one sending this to Shaykh Noorud-deen and saying it was about him. Later on Shaykh Noorud-deen received a screenshot of Shaykh Asrar confirming it is about him.
It was clear enough even before the clarification, those that have read the answer and know Shaykh Asrar know that he flip flops regularly, and plays games regularly. Without naming, he managed to name 😂😂
Amazing how these scholars spend their time criticising each other rather than reviving the Ummah. TH-cam recommended this video but I won't be wasting my time with this nonsense again. I can see now why we have the genocide in Gaza when we have these scholars leading us. Time for the youth to rise
What's truly amazing is how people blindly follow modern day scholars such that they can't even comprehend that just because they do something doesn't make it right and unanimous. As demonstrated in this video
Of course he is because he is telling you not to dance in the masjid. You need a pir who tells you he is so pious he doesn't need to pray. Crazy Sufis are like Hindus
It is confirmed that Ja’far ibn Abu Talib (r) danced in the presence of the Holy Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) when he said to him, “You resemble me in my creation and my behaviour.” Ali (radiyallâhu `anhu) said: ‘I visited the Prophet with Ja`far (ibn Abi Talib) and Zayd (ibn Haritha). The Prophet said to Zayd: “You are my freedman” (anta mawlay), whereupon Zayd began to hop on one leg around the Prophet (hajala). The Prophet then said to Ja`far: “You resemble me in my creation and my manners”, Ali (radiyallâhu `anhu) said: I visited the Prophet with Ja`far (ibn Abi Talib and Zayd (ibn Haritha). The Prophet said to Zayd: “You are my freedman” (anta mawlay), whereupon Zayd began to hop on one leg around the prophet (hajala). The Prophet then said to Ja`far: “You resemble me in my creation and my manners” (anta ashbahta khalqi wa khuluqi), whereupon Ja`far began to hop behind Zayd. The Prophet then said to me: “You pertain to me and I pertain to you” (anta minni wa ana minka) whereupon I began to hop behind Ja`far. [Ahmad, Musnad 1:108 (#860).] Shaykh Sanusi in his Musrat al-faqir. Ibn Layun at-Tujibi said, “As for dancing in the mosque, it is in the Sahih Muslim collection from A`isha (r) who said, An army came from Ethiopia beating drums on the day of the feast in the mosque. The Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) invited me and I put my palms on his shoulders and watched them play.’” Ibn ‘Aynia said that ‘zafaf’ was to dance. If it was forbidden in its essence, it would not have been done in the presence of the Messenger of Allah (صلى الله عليه وسلم). Watch Video: Here Two Hadîths from Imâm Ahmad ibn Hanbal’s Musnad To begin with, here is a chain of authority from Shaykh Tahir-ul-Qadri back to the great Imâm! Shaykh Tahir-ul-Qadri narrates from al-Imâm Ahmad ibn Hanbal (radiyallâhu `anhu) via many unbroken chains of authority, of which the following is one: From ash-Shaykh `Alawî ibn `Abbâs al-Mâlikî (the father of ash-Shaykh Muhammad `Alawî al-Mâlikî); Who from Muhaddith al-Haramayn `Umar ibn Hamdân al-Mahrisî; Who from ash-Shaykh Ahmad ibn Ismâ`îl al-Barzanjî; Who from ash-Shaykh Ahmad ibn Zaynî Dahlân; Who from ash-Shaykh `Uthmân ibn Hasan ad-Dimyâtî; Who from al-Imâm Abî `Abdullâh Muhammad ibn Muhammad al-Amîr al-Kabîr al-Misrî; Who from ash-Shaykh Abil-Hasan `Alî ibn Ahmad al-`Adawî as-Sa`îdî al-Misrî; Who from ash-Shaykh Muhammad ibn `Uqayla al-Makkî; Who from ash-Shaykh Hasan ibn `Alî al-`Ujaymî; Who from ash-Shaykh Safiyyuddîn Ahmad ibn Muhammad al-Qashâshî al-Madanî; Who from ash-Shaykh Shamsuddîn ibn Ahmad ar-Ramlî; Who from ash-Shaykh al-Qâdî Zakariyâ ibn Muhammad al-Ansârî; Who from al-Hâfiz ash-Shihâb Ahmad ibn Hajar al-`Asqalânî; Who from ash-Shaykh as-Sâlih ibn Abî `Umar al-Maqdisî; Who from ash-Shaykh Fakhruddîn `Alî ibn Ahmad al-Bukhârî; Who from ash-Shaykh Abî `Alî Hanbal ibn `Abdullâh ibn al-Faraj al-Makbar; Who from Abil-Qâsim Hibatullâh ibn Muhammad ibn `Abdul-Wâhid ash-Shaybânî; Who from Abî `Alî al-Hasan ibn `Alî at-Tamîmî; Who from Abî Bakr Ahmad ibn Ja`far ibn Hamdân al-Qatî`î; Who from `Abdullâh ibn Ahmad ibn Hanbal; Who from his father al-Imâm Ahmad ibn Hanbal ash-Shaybânî [164-241] (radiyallâhu `anhu). Imâm Ahmad ibn Hanbal (ra) narrates the following two narrations: Anas ibn Mâlik (radiyallâhu `anhu) said that the Abyssinians (Habashîs) danced in front of the Messenger of Allâh (sallallâhu `alayhi wa sallam); dancing (yarquSûn/raqS) while saying “Muhammadis a Righteous Servant (Muhammadun `Abdun Sâlih)” (in their dialect/language). Allâh’s Messenger (sallallâhu `alayhi wa sallam) asked, “What are they saying?” And they responded, “Muhammadun ‘Abdun Sâlih!”. [Ahmad ibn Hanbal, al-Musnad (Beirut: Dâr Sâdir), 3:152, #12564] This has been narrated with a chain of transmission all of whose narrators are those of Bukhari except Hammad ibn Salama, who is one of the narrators of Muslim. Related to this, Imâm Ahmad ibn Hanbal also reports the following in his Musnad: “Aisha stated that Allâh’s Messenger (صلى الله عليه وسلم) put her cheek on his shoulder while looking at the Abyssinians (Habashîs) dance.” Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (ra) himself said about the Sûfîs: “I don’t know people better than them.” Someone said to him: “They listen to music and they reach states of ecstasy.” He said: “Do you prevent them from enjoying an hour with Allâh?” (Muhammad ibn Ahmad as-Saffarînî al-Hanbalî (died 1188) who related in his Ghidha’ al-albab li-sharh manzumat al-adab from Ibrahim ibn `Abd Allah al-Qalanasi) (Cairo: Matba`at al-Najah, 1324/1906) In some Hadîths the word used is yazfinûn. But this word itself means yarquSûn (they dance) according to the classical authorities of Islam: Qâdî `Iyâd, Sharh Sahîh Muslim, Kitâb Salâtul-`Îdayn 3:310 (yazfinûna ma`nâhû yarquSûn waz-zifunu ar-raquS); an-Nawawî, Sharh Sahîh Muslim, Kitâb Salâtul-`Îdayn, 6:186 (yazfinûna hâdhâ kâna yazfinûn fî yawmil-`îd ma`nâhû yarquSûn); `Asqalânî, Fathul-bârî, 2:444 (yazfinûn ay yarquSûn). Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Hajar al-Haytamî mentions that some scholars have seen in this evidence for the permissibility of dancing (ar-raqs) upon hearing a recital (samâ`) that lifts the spirit.(al-Haytamî, Fatâwâ hadithiyya p. 212). al-Yâfi`î concurs with him in Mir’ât al-jinân.(al-Yâfi`î, Mir’ât al-jinân, 4:154). Both of them mention al-`Izz ibn `Abdus-Salâm as the chief example of such scholars, since it is authentically reported that he himself ‘attended the samâ` and danced in states of ecstasy’ (kâna yahduru al-samâ` wa yarqusu wa yatawâjadu), as stated by Ibn al-`Imâd on the authority of al-Dhahabî, Ibn Shâkir al- Kutabî, al-Yâfi`î, an-Nabahânî, and Abû al- Sa`âdat. (Ibn al-`Imâd, Shadharat al-dhahab 5:302; Ibn Shâkir al-Kutabî, Fawat al-wafâyat, 1:595; al-Yâfi`î, Mir’ât al-jinân, 4:154; an-Nabahânî, Jâmi` karamât al-awliyâ, 2:71; Abû al-Sa`âdat, Tâj al-ma`ârif, p. 250)
@@TrueSunni Imam al-Ghazali (Allah shower His mercy upon him) in his Ihya explains: If raqs (moving whilst making dhikr) was forbidden (haram), then Sayyidah ‘Aisha would have not looked towards the Abyssinians - along with the Prophet ﷺ - while they were doing raqs. Shaykh Ibn Ajibah (Allah shower His mercy upon him) writes in Sharh al-Mabahith: The impartiality in the matter is to say that the origin of raqs is permitted. He further writes: I say there are mass narrations from both the old and new Sufis, east and west, that they gather for the dhikr of Allah ﷻ, [and whilst] standing they make raqs (movement). It has not reached us from anyone among the trusted scholars that they have placed denial upon them. Verily I have seen in Fez in Zawiyah al-Saqliyiin a group making the dhikr of Allah ﷻ, and performing raqs [standing dhikr with movement] from the ‘Asr prayer on the day of Jumuah until Maghrib prayer; this was done in the presence of many scholars, and not a single one of them denounced it.
@@yusuf619rahmanibrother this is a Hanafi discussion. Sheikh Nooruddeen has already said that the Shafis may allow it. Please watch the video before commenting
@@TrueSunni I'm not a Sufi I'm just an Arab from a Sufi family. My grandfather used to organize Hadra every week. It's a lot and a lot of dhikr. To say it's dancing is very reductionist. While now I'm against Sufism because it attracts the grandiose personality types, I can still be fair. Something you don't seem able to comprehend with your presumption about me.
@@truth-z7x dancing is not haram actually , there's no proof of it being haram the only case of it being haram and bidah is if the people doing it thinking that it's a form of worship (zikr is a form of worship ,dancing while doing zikr is mubah) or if they dance like woman .
It seems you have mixed issues up and given them all one ruling which is a mistake! The Hadara is not a dance however some innovators have brought dancing into it. The Hadara is group zikr and this is not bidah according to many scholars. As for declaring all dancing as kufr or haram then this is an overstepping of sharia bounds because a persons culture is protected in the sharia and so if you want to declare a male exclusive Dabka as haram then you had better bring a specific evidence which you will never find! In fact the opposite is found in the Hadith “ jump to it yaa bani afida!” Where the famous cultural dance took place in the Masjid!! Yes dance zikr is a bidah and an ugly one but cultural dance, as long as it’s free from haram like free mixing of genders or the like then it cannot be haram! The Yemenis have a cultural dance and even the Saudis do with swords!
@navoxford8406 how dare you call me a liar!!!! The Hadara is NOT EXCLUSIVELY A DANCE!!!!!! IT IS A GROUP THIKR AS I SAID! This doesn't negate the fact that SOME have turned it into dancing thikr!! The word Hadara is an Arabic word حضر to attend! Some Sufis believe that the soul of the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ can attend some of these gatherings! Others say that حضر refers to the poetry recited wherein all the physical and spiritual qualities are extoled and when the extolling finishes they say that the reality of the Prophet ﷺ has been completed in the hearts of everyone hearing the extolling and so it is as if the Prophet ﷺ actually attended in their hearts!!! Dancing is an add on and not a fixed part of the Hadara!! Don't call me a liar again!!!
Written Answer: islamanswers.co.uk/question/is-hadra-sufi-dance-permissible-in-the-hanafi-madhab
Hasan Response: th-cam.com/video/VsQbSxm0XTs/w-d-xo.html
Shahid Ali this is how you do it. Not your silly moments of madness. Be a man, don't run scared when you see Asrar.
The reality is that in the ibarat that has been quoted, the discussion is regarding raqs, not regarding hadrah. There seems to have been a misapplication of the daleel presented. You have mistakenly applied the wording used for raqs onto hadrah.
So the reality is that hashiya is not saying hadrah is Haram or kufr. Rather, it is talking about raqs.
The second point is that it hasn't mentioned all raqs is haram. Yes, it's said a type of raqs is haram. However, not all raqs are haram or kufr like the raqs in Bukhari of the Habashah.
So, a re reading of this ibarat is needed. Insha'Allah.
Speak to your hero Asrar he applied dancing to the hadra too. Can't change the discussion after you lose
Stop deceiving people even Asrar accepted that the text was about Hadra.
Asrar is known to lie. He lie about "deadly poison" when it wasn't deadly at all. Either he's ignorant or he's a liar.
The Sufis have arrived to tell us hadra is not dancing. Even Asrar accepted it is dancing.
Is hte najdi sword-dancing...dancing?
Asrar did not make a video when his student insulted the Prophet peace be upon him
But when his sufi disco is attacked he released a video
Are people understanding what these sufis are all about?
The lowest sufi is better than you.
where did his student do that?
You leave such a claim that doing it takes anyone outside islam and yet you had left no evidence
Narrated Abu Dhar:
That he heard the Prophet (ﷺ) saying, "If somebody accuses another of Fusuq (by calling him 'Fasiq' i.e. a wicked person) or accuses him of Kufr, such an accusation will revert to him (i.e. the accuser) if his companion (the accused) is innocent."
Sahih al-Bukhari 6045
In-book reference : Book 78, Hadith 75
@@SOMEONE-eq5bu When did he say it takes them out of Islam?
We are starting to see what madhkalis are about also since the gazan war
Its such a minor legal point that Asrar should have simply left alone.
Yes Asrar should be dealing with his student Hasan insulting the Prophet peace be upon him.
@@navoxford8406 What did her say ? where is the clip
Then why did noor addeen bring it up? You guys have such cognitive dissonance it's crazy
@@mohammedumaraziz8282 - You can't throw shade in one direction and not expect a response
@@User-k6z5mCheck recent livestream by sh Nurudin
Asrar thought he was picking faults in sheikh Nooruddeen knowledge but he made such stupid basoc errors
That is what happens when you get your student to insult the Prophet peace be upon him
What's the issue with his student? What'd he say?
Asrar thought he was a gangster but he messed with the wrong person here. He will try to ambush sh Nurudin at a wedding next
Asrar can never debate sh Nurudin because he is not sectarian
Asrar can only win arguments with people who are sectarian like him
Then why did noor addeen bring it up? You guys have such cognitive dissonance it's crazy
@@mohammedumaraziz8282huh?
@@mohammedumaraziz8282speaking of cognitive dissonance when you can't even spell someone's name is brilliant.
Shaykh Noor wrote his answer months ago, with no reference to any one in particular.
Shaykh Asrar released a tiktok in his normal style, attacking shaykh Noor for 'misquoting', while misquoting Ibn Abideen himself.
What a joke
Asrar keep attacking sh Nurudin he will put you in your place.
No chance that Asrar will respond to this video.
Have some adab
Who makes it on the 14th Century list of classical scholars? My opinion (lets agree to disagree if you want): Sheikh Abdul Fattah ibn Ghiddah, Sheikh Abul Hasan Ali Nadwi, Mahmud Hasan Al Madni and Mufti Taqi Al Uthmani.
All agree. Also Shaykh Yunus Junpuri
Whoever disagrees they are have no ilm
Who else can be more learnerd than them
@@ni3467definitely not you, you can’t even spell learned correctly
Allamah Zahid Al-Kawthari
Asrar Rashid humiliated by sheikh Nooruddeen. He should have stuck to arguing with uneducated wahabis. People of knowledge always humiliate this brelvi lion
People in the comments section pointing out that Hadrah isn’t dance 😂 Do a group Dhikr without dancing in circles then.
Lost Sufis what do you expect
Any Asrar student or fan reading this if you have any love for the Prophet peace be upon him then get your hero Asrar to make a video condemning Hasans insult against the Prophet peace be upon him.
Dont be hypocrites srand with the Prophet peace be upon him
So, Asrar either doesn't know how to read, or he doesn't know Hanafi fiqh well, or he's spreading Fitnah or he's deliberately misrepresenting what you said and what Ibn Abideen said...
And it also seems he's more defensive over you speaking about a practice that some scholars in Shaam do, even though you didn't mention those scholars, than he is about his student insulting the Prophet ﷺ.
That's the lion of Ahl Sunnah??
Brelvis only defend the Prophet peace be upon him when it helps their Sect.
They are shameless hypocrites.
Eazy tiger
Can these sufis comment on the part about insulting the Prophet peace be upon him or do they only care about defending their cult leader sheikhs.
Sufis destroy islam from the inside
Yeah, we need more wobblers. They bought KFC to the Haram.
Look at Asrar he is completely silent about his student Hasan insulting the Prophet peace upon him
But he makes a video to defend his stupid sufi dancing.
What are his priorities?
What did hasan say
What did he say?
Wrong. Hadrah is not a sufi dance! Hadrah literally means "presence". It is a collective form of remembrance of Allah.
Well the dancing is part of it
@@IbrahimAhmed-ly4vi wrong. There is no dancing involved.
@@knightkiller329362are you blind
The Hadara isn’t a dance… it’s a group zikr where the Burdah is recited and other poems often with daff…
Stop lying it is a dance
@@TrueSunni Atop calling me a Liar!!! You clearly have never been to one!!!
I have with Sheikh Muhsin An-Najjar he studied in Tarim Yemen!!
You are ignorant!
And jumping around?
These are words of original text
1. Music and Singing (Ghinaa and Mazameer):
There is a difference of opinion among Islamic scholars about music and singing. Some say that singing is absolutely forbidden (haram) and listening to it is sinful. This is the view of Sheikh al-Islam.
If someone hears it accidentally, there is no sin.
Some scholars say it is not sinful if done unintentionally.
Others believe that if the purpose of singing is to understand poetry better, it is permissible.
Some scholars also permit it if it is done to relieve boredom, as long as it’s not used for amusement.
If the poetry has wisdom or moral lessons, there is no harm in reciting it.
2. Poetry and Its Content:
If poetry praises a specific living woman, it is disliked (makruh), but if the woman has passed away, it is not considered disliked.
If the poetry is about a fictional woman, it is also not disliked.
Poetry that mentions sinful acts, like alcohol or immoral behavior, is generally disliked, but the severity depends on whether it distracts someone from reciting the Quran or remembering Allah.
3. The Conduct of Some Sufis:
Some people who call themselves Sufis have adopted specific clothing and engage in dancing and music. Sheikh Halwai (a scholar) was asked about them, and he strongly criticized their behavior, calling it a slander against Allah.
He also mentioned that if such people are causing misguidance, they should be removed from the city to prevent others from being led astray.
True Sufi elders did not engage in such behavior. In the past, it was common for someone to recite poetry that matched their emotional state, and they might have involuntarily expressed their feelings by standing or moving. This was not done for entertainment but out of deep spiritual feeling, and there is no blame in that.
4. Final Verdict:
The actions of some modern-day Sufis, who engage in music and dance in a way that contradicts the teachings of earlier scholars, are condemned. These acts are considered haram (forbidden), and it is wrong to use the actions of pious predecessors as an excuse for such behavior.
الفتاوى العالمكيرية = الفتاوى الهندية
الباب السابع عشر في الغناء واللهو وسائر المعاصي والأمر بالمعروف
I love you Brother! But, this post is ridiculous! Shaykh Asrar is a good man.He teaches Sunnah. I personally chant zikr myself. Especially, when I am feeling temptation. Now, I don't get up and twirl around like a Sufi dervish. But, I don't think Zikr Hadra is haram. Nonetheless, I am not a scholar.I humbly ask, the brothers who read this post. Too please pray for Palestine and Lebanon.
It's ridiculous that he's responding to accusations of misquoting Ibn Abideen by Shaykh Asrar? What a ridiculous thing for you to say. He did not say Shaykh Asrar is not a good man nor that he doesn't teach Sunnah. This video, if you watched it, was about the position of the Hanafi Madhab on the issue and what you personally do or feel doesn't change the ruling in the Madhab brother. May Allah Most High protect and aid our brothers and sister in Palestine, Lebanon and everywhere else.
Get Asrar to make a video against his student Hasan insulting the Prophet peace be upon him.
Why is Asrar making videos about defending Sufi dances and not insults his students are doing.
Complete hypocrisy
He teaches Sunnah. What a joke. His student is insulting the Prophet peace be upon him and Asrar is silent.
Makes me sick
Shaykh asrar is a good man who makes videos saying someone is shameless and is misleading people and misquoting scholars and it turns out he's talking nonsense and the shaykh did none of that
You mentioned he didn't reach out to you and call you (whilst he didn't mention your name) but did you reach out to him whilst you NAMED HIM?
It was already made public so required Shaykh Noorud-deen to reply publicly. Also Shaykh Asrar's students were the one sending this to Shaykh Noorud-deen and saying it was about him. Later on Shaykh Noorud-deen received a screenshot of Shaykh Asrar confirming it is about him.
And who are you 😂
@@IslamAnswers That part you mentioned wasn't mentioned in the video, so I hope you understand our query.
@@wonderingtraveller4786 I am a thinker, a truth seeker.
The clarification has been made, and brings the picture more clarity.
It was clear enough even before the clarification, those that have read the answer and know Shaykh Asrar know that he flip flops regularly, and plays games regularly. Without naming, he managed to name 😂😂
Debate
No way Asrar will debate sh Nurudin. Never
Asrar knows better. Sheikh Nooruddeen will end him
@@TrueSunniis he ashari aswell? Or matarudi ?? Deobandi ? Anyone know ?
Debate what??😂😂😂 he's just shut Asrar down, all his points were nonsense and he misquoted Ibn Abideen himself. There's nothing left to debate
@@muhammadjameel4240what sect is this guy??? Do you know ?
Is hadra from the Quran and sunnah end of conversation
Amazing how these scholars spend their time criticising each other rather than reviving the Ummah. TH-cam recommended this video but I won't be wasting my time with this nonsense again. I can see now why we have the genocide in Gaza when we have these scholars leading us. Time for the youth to rise
Rise then. A Jahil like you doesn't know that scholars disagreeing and discussing means the haqq becomes clear
What's truly amazing is how people blindly follow modern day scholars such that they can't even comprehend that just because they do something doesn't make it right and unanimous. As demonstrated in this video
Wouldn’t the Salah be synchronised movements? It’s certainly a sequence of movements.
Sufi dancing is not salah. Why are people so detached from the Sunnah?
@@TrueSunni it’s not dancing - completely different
@@charlesgumbley4949are you blind
You really are a clever guy aren't you
Wow, you gonna include twerking next 😂😂
Hadra is not a dance. Astagfirullah!!
It is the dance of dangars
Sufi dangars
Can't they worship like normal humans
Dancing should be defined. Is it dancing like pop stars or just moving out of happiness
Are you sick
Pretty sure Shaykh Nuruddin was Hizb ut tahrir and not Ahlus-Sunnah
This speaker in video is misguided
Of course he is because he is telling you not to dance in the masjid.
You need a pir who tells you he is so pious he doesn't need to pray.
Crazy Sufis are like Hindus
It is confirmed that Ja’far ibn Abu Talib (r) danced in the presence of the Holy Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) when he said to him,
“You resemble me in my creation and my behaviour.”
Ali (radiyallâhu `anhu) said:
‘I visited the Prophet with Ja`far (ibn Abi Talib) and Zayd (ibn Haritha). The Prophet said to Zayd: “You are my freedman” (anta mawlay), whereupon Zayd began to hop on one leg around the Prophet (hajala). The Prophet then said to Ja`far: “You resemble me in my creation and my manners”,
Ali (radiyallâhu `anhu) said:
I visited the Prophet with Ja`far (ibn Abi Talib and Zayd (ibn Haritha). The Prophet said to Zayd: “You are my freedman” (anta mawlay), whereupon Zayd began to hop on one leg around the prophet (hajala). The Prophet then said to Ja`far: “You resemble me in my creation and my manners” (anta ashbahta khalqi wa khuluqi), whereupon Ja`far began to hop behind Zayd.
The Prophet then said to me: “You pertain to me and I pertain to you” (anta minni wa ana minka) whereupon I began to hop behind Ja`far.
[Ahmad, Musnad 1:108 (#860).]
Shaykh Sanusi in his Musrat al-faqir.
Ibn Layun at-Tujibi said, “As for dancing in the mosque, it is in the Sahih Muslim collection from A`isha (r) who said,
An army came from Ethiopia beating drums on the day of the feast in the mosque. The Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) invited me and I put my palms on his shoulders and watched them play.’”
Ibn ‘Aynia said that ‘zafaf’ was to dance. If it was forbidden in its essence, it would not have been done in the presence of the Messenger of Allah (صلى الله عليه وسلم).
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Two Hadîths from Imâm Ahmad ibn Hanbal’s Musnad
To begin with, here is a chain of authority from Shaykh Tahir-ul-Qadri back to the great Imâm!
Shaykh Tahir-ul-Qadri narrates from al-Imâm Ahmad ibn Hanbal (radiyallâhu `anhu) via many unbroken chains of authority, of which the following is one:
From ash-Shaykh `Alawî ibn `Abbâs al-Mâlikî (the father of ash-Shaykh Muhammad `Alawî al-Mâlikî);
Who from Muhaddith al-Haramayn `Umar ibn Hamdân al-Mahrisî;
Who from ash-Shaykh Ahmad ibn Ismâ`îl al-Barzanjî;
Who from ash-Shaykh Ahmad ibn Zaynî Dahlân;
Who from ash-Shaykh `Uthmân ibn Hasan ad-Dimyâtî;
Who from al-Imâm Abî `Abdullâh Muhammad ibn Muhammad al-Amîr al-Kabîr al-Misrî;
Who from ash-Shaykh Abil-Hasan `Alî ibn Ahmad al-`Adawî as-Sa`îdî al-Misrî;
Who from ash-Shaykh Muhammad ibn `Uqayla al-Makkî;
Who from ash-Shaykh Hasan ibn `Alî al-`Ujaymî;
Who from ash-Shaykh Safiyyuddîn Ahmad ibn Muhammad al-Qashâshî al-Madanî;
Who from ash-Shaykh Shamsuddîn ibn Ahmad ar-Ramlî;
Who from ash-Shaykh al-Qâdî Zakariyâ ibn Muhammad al-Ansârî;
Who from al-Hâfiz ash-Shihâb Ahmad ibn Hajar al-`Asqalânî;
Who from ash-Shaykh as-Sâlih ibn Abî `Umar al-Maqdisî;
Who from ash-Shaykh Fakhruddîn `Alî ibn Ahmad al-Bukhârî;
Who from ash-Shaykh Abî `Alî Hanbal ibn `Abdullâh ibn al-Faraj al-Makbar;
Who from Abil-Qâsim Hibatullâh ibn Muhammad ibn `Abdul-Wâhid ash-Shaybânî;
Who from Abî `Alî al-Hasan ibn `Alî at-Tamîmî;
Who from Abî Bakr Ahmad ibn Ja`far ibn Hamdân al-Qatî`î;
Who from `Abdullâh ibn Ahmad ibn Hanbal;
Who from his father al-Imâm Ahmad ibn Hanbal ash-Shaybânî [164-241] (radiyallâhu `anhu).
Imâm Ahmad ibn Hanbal (ra) narrates the following two narrations:
Anas ibn Mâlik (radiyallâhu `anhu) said that the Abyssinians (Habashîs) danced in front of the Messenger of Allâh (sallallâhu `alayhi wa sallam); dancing (yarquSûn/raqS) while saying “Muhammadis a Righteous Servant (Muhammadun `Abdun Sâlih)” (in their dialect/language). Allâh’s Messenger (sallallâhu `alayhi wa sallam) asked, “What are they saying?” And they responded, “Muhammadun ‘Abdun Sâlih!”.
[Ahmad ibn Hanbal, al-Musnad (Beirut: Dâr Sâdir), 3:152, #12564]
This has been narrated with a chain of transmission all of whose narrators are those of Bukhari except Hammad ibn Salama, who is one of the narrators of Muslim.
Related to this, Imâm Ahmad ibn Hanbal also reports the following in his Musnad:
“Aisha stated that Allâh’s Messenger (صلى الله عليه وسلم) put her cheek on his shoulder while looking at the Abyssinians (Habashîs) dance.”
Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (ra) himself said about the Sûfîs:
“I don’t know people better than them.” Someone said to him: “They listen to music and they reach states of ecstasy.” He said: “Do you prevent them from enjoying an hour with Allâh?” (Muhammad ibn Ahmad as-Saffarînî al-Hanbalî (died 1188) who related in his Ghidha’ al-albab li-sharh manzumat al-adab from Ibrahim ibn `Abd Allah al-Qalanasi) (Cairo: Matba`at al-Najah, 1324/1906)
In some Hadîths the word used is yazfinûn. But this word itself means yarquSûn (they dance) according to the classical authorities of Islam:
Qâdî `Iyâd, Sharh Sahîh Muslim, Kitâb Salâtul-`Îdayn 3:310 (yazfinûna ma`nâhû yarquSûn waz-zifunu ar-raquS); an-Nawawî, Sharh Sahîh Muslim, Kitâb Salâtul-`Îdayn, 6:186 (yazfinûna hâdhâ kâna yazfinûn fî yawmil-`îd ma`nâhû yarquSûn); `Asqalânî, Fathul-bârî, 2:444 (yazfinûn ay yarquSûn).
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Hajar al-Haytamî mentions that some scholars have seen in this evidence for the permissibility of dancing (ar-raqs) upon hearing a recital (samâ`) that lifts the spirit.(al-Haytamî, Fatâwâ hadithiyya p. 212). al-Yâfi`î concurs with him in Mir’ât al-jinân.(al-Yâfi`î, Mir’ât al-jinân, 4:154).
Both of them mention al-`Izz ibn `Abdus-Salâm as the chief example of such scholars, since it is authentically reported that he himself ‘attended the samâ` and danced in states of ecstasy’ (kâna yahduru al-samâ` wa yarqusu wa yatawâjadu), as stated by Ibn al-`Imâd on the authority of al-Dhahabî, Ibn Shâkir al- Kutabî, al-Yâfi`î, an-Nabahânî, and Abû al- Sa`âdat. (Ibn al-`Imâd, Shadharat al-dhahab 5:302; Ibn Shâkir al-Kutabî, Fawat al-wafâyat, 1:595; al-Yâfi`î, Mir’ât al-jinân, 4:154; an-Nabahânî, Jâmi` karamât al-awliyâ, 2:71; Abû al-Sa`âdat, Tâj al-ma`ârif, p. 250)
Are you trying to say a Sahabi done hadra have some shame
@@TrueSunni Imam al-Ghazali (Allah shower His mercy upon him) in his Ihya explains:
If raqs (moving whilst making dhikr) was forbidden (haram), then Sayyidah ‘Aisha would have not looked towards the Abyssinians - along with the Prophet ﷺ - while they were doing raqs.
Shaykh Ibn Ajibah (Allah shower His mercy upon him) writes in Sharh al-Mabahith:
The impartiality in the matter is to say that the origin of raqs is permitted.
He further writes:
I say there are mass narrations from both the old and new Sufis, east and west, that they gather for the dhikr of Allah ﷻ, [and whilst] standing they make raqs (movement). It has not reached us from anyone among the trusted scholars that they have placed denial upon them. Verily I have seen in Fez in Zawiyah al-Saqliyiin a group making the dhikr of Allah ﷻ, and performing raqs [standing dhikr with movement] from the ‘Asr prayer on the day of Jumuah until Maghrib prayer; this was done in the presence of many scholars, and not a single one of them denounced it.
@@yusuf619rahmanibrother this is a Hanafi discussion. Sheikh Nooruddeen has already said that the Shafis may allow it. Please watch the video before commenting
@@yusuf619rahmanino ones reading all that essay when you mention Imam Ghazali when shaykh already clarified Imam Ghazali was in favour of it 😂
Ain't no one reading that essay bro
Mubtadee'ah upon mubtadee'ah. Heresy upon heresy
That translation is accurate. Just one correction, Hadra is not dancing. You said "basically it's dancing" but that's misleading.
Even Asrar accepted that it is dancing. You lot have been caught out , you didn't know Hanafis were against your Sufi dance
@@TrueSunni I'm not a Sufi I'm just an Arab from a Sufi family. My grandfather used to organize Hadra every week. It's a lot and a lot of dhikr. To say it's dancing is very reductionist. While now I'm against Sufism because it attracts the grandiose personality types, I can still be fair. Something you don't seem able to comprehend with your presumption about me.
@@j.r.r.tolkien8724it is dancing with zikr it is still haram why you trying to defend it.
@@truth-z7x dancing is not haram actually , there's no proof of it being haram the only case of it being haram and bidah is if the people doing it thinking that it's a form of worship (zikr is a form of worship ,dancing while doing zikr is mubah) or if they dance like woman .
@@truth-z7x You think I'm defending it just because I'm fair. Maybe you think they're correct in what they're doing.
funniest ones are when it's deviant vs deviant 😂😂😂
The lowest sufi is better than you
Homeless man calling another man homeless
@@IbrahimAhmed-ly4viYes brelvis wahabis Sufis and Deobandis are all deviant
I think people are confusing the saifi dance who are powered by electric with sufi hadra.
All deviant but some is worse
No not confusing everyone knows the hadra is bidah like Ibn abideen said
If you want to know sahih hanfism just study ulam e deoband bro❤️
They are as bad as the brelvis or even worse. Ashraf Ali Thanwi was a big Sufi and has said the worst things
You mean Deogandis their elders used to say the most disgusting things
It seems you have mixed issues up and given them all one ruling which is a mistake! The Hadara is not a dance however some innovators have brought dancing into it. The Hadara is group zikr and this is not bidah according to many scholars. As for declaring all dancing as kufr or haram then this is an overstepping of sharia bounds because a persons culture is protected in the sharia and so if you want to declare a male exclusive Dabka as haram then you had better bring a specific evidence which you will never find! In fact the opposite is found in the Hadith “ jump to it yaa bani afida!” Where the famous cultural dance took place in the Masjid!!
Yes dance zikr is a bidah and an ugly one but cultural dance, as long as it’s free from haram like free mixing of genders or the like then it cannot be haram! The Yemenis have a cultural dance and even the Saudis do with swords!
Of course hadra is dancing stop lying
Oh if the Saudis do it then it must be good. Go misguide some fools. Sheikh Nooruddeen students are not going to full for your rubbish
@navoxford8406 how dare you call me a liar!!!!
The Hadara is NOT EXCLUSIVELY A DANCE!!!!!!
IT IS A GROUP THIKR AS I SAID! This doesn't negate the fact that SOME have turned it into dancing thikr!!
The word Hadara is an Arabic word حضر to attend! Some Sufis believe that the soul of the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ can attend some of these gatherings!
Others say that حضر refers to the poetry recited wherein all the physical and spiritual qualities are extoled and when the extolling finishes they say that the reality of the Prophet ﷺ has been completed in the hearts of everyone hearing the extolling and so it is as if the Prophet ﷺ actually attended in their hearts!!!
Dancing is an add on and not a fixed part of the Hadara!!
Don't call me a liar again!!!
@@muhammadbenjuraij7734I have to call you a liar. You are misleading Muslims you have just admitted there is dancing in hadra
@@muhammadbenjuraij7734lies about religion have to be called out don't lie if you are going to be offended