Your testing is the gold standard of EV reviews. All the other reviewers, never focus on all the practical aspects like real world range and charging speeds!
Hey Björn, a big beta update (4.4.0) was released just now. I think it addresses almost all of your concerns. Pretty much all bings and bongs can now be switched off and the car seems to handle way better while using X-Pilot. Not slowing down as bad in curves, adapting to people overtaking you way better, no bings and bongs, etc. Would be cool to see your impressions again, maybe compare it to Tesla FSD in Europe. The big question will be whether X-Pilot is now just a gimmick that's too annoying or a feature to really consider when buying the car.
Agreed, nice to see a test. I see industry experts and a Tesla employee wager that FSD europe wont happen until after 2026 - and that’s not even a guarantee. The legal system is too regulated, no automated actions allowed (lane change, off ramp, reroute, basically everything required)
Just into the video and had to comment at the part where you're charging the first time and you wonder if the car is coldgating. At around 6:50, you can see on the bottom of the screen that the option "Low-Temperature Battery Preheating" is switched off, so that might explain one or two things. Maybe you pick up on this further in the video, but I paused it to write this comment.
alpitronic Hypercharger HYC_300 is always exactly 300 kW, each power stack is exactly 75 kW. Also on market is a new HYC_400 while visually indistinguishable do have 100 kW power stacks so can push 400 kW out. There are no 87.5 kW power stacks. Those on video are certainly HYC_300. Depending on how the CPO specifies them, they can have cables anywhere from 200A to 500A water cooled. You can tell only by looking at the nameplate.
Pretty big update coming this month (March 2023). The beta for it just released. It will seems to solve pretty much all the software complaints in on go. Now to see if they can deliver. Maybe try the car again when it's released? It features: - Bluetooth sound quality improved. - Battery capacity can now also be displayed in percentage. - Charging stations in navigation can now be filtered by charging capacity. - German language setting is now possible. - Fewer disclaimers for apps. - Improving the translation of functions in Dutch and other languages. - DSM (driver monitoring system) can now have 3 different sensitivities: low/normal/high. High is what the standard was before the update. - LSS (Lane support system): number of warnings significantly reduced to the most necessary and legally necessary. Less vibrations on the handlebars. - IHB (intelligent high beam): Should be more precise, turn off the lights earlier to avoid annoying oncoming traffic. Should be better on highways too. - X-Pilot ACC (adaptive cruise control): should work more "smoothly", less braking by parked cars at the edge of the street. Also improved logic in processing speed limit changes. Now automatically maintains speed when switching from LCC to ACC by steering movement. - X-Pilot LCC (Lane Centering Control): Traffic light detection has now been added and appears at the top of the driver's dashboard. Optimization of acceleration and braking, so less slow acceleration and less sudden braking, even when drivers merge in front of you into your lane. Also less delay in corners and less chance of the system switching itself off. - ALC (automatic lane shift assistant): Feedback has been improved and timing of acceleration after the lane change has taken place has been improved. ALC should be able to be the primary means of lane changing on the highway. - APA (intelligent park assist): Has become better at parking in spaces. Better comfort due to fewer sudden movements during parking. Better at parallel parking on roads and also in narrow streets. Less time switching between forward and reverse during parking movement. - 360 degree camera: tires are now visible under the chassis. Transparent chassis has been improved. Steering direction and tire position can now be seen in real time. Optimization of the driving direction in 360-degree view to prevent parking damage. - Beeps: fewer beeps and visual notifications during X-Pilot with ACC, X-Pilot with LCC and ALC while driving. A more peaceful and user-friendly driving experience should be the result. - Air conditioning: anti-dust function starts earlier, reducing the risk of air conditioning and window damage.
Thank you for testing all those cars in such a thorough manner all the time. Could you please make a video on all the comfort features of this vehicle: -Air Suspension -Front Seat reclining to "business class" mode - Passenger Screen and watching Video/TH-cam while driving - Back Seat comfort - Camping mode Havent found any Review yet which shows these points in depth. On the IAA in munich i was able to sit in the car, but the infotainment was only in showroom mode :/
The charging speed of the g9 is insane, and efficiency is pretty good as well considering the car size. Just imagine what this powertrain could do on a sedan.
@@miketan373I had the same thought. Usually slow charging is best for a battery. And having the kids go "are we there yet?" is not getting reduced by having to stop for 40 - 60 min every time you need to charge. :) How many hours driving are there on a full battery?
Remember that it's most unlikely that people would use this fast charging that often.. It's only for the longest trips. It's important that it has the feature, but if it's not used that often, it shouldn't result in degrading the battery.
@@londonwestman1 Well but People who dont charge at home or work, will charge at the Supermarket or other places. And there are more and more HPCs there so you cant really choose to charge slower. Thats my problem with my Model 3 it would be sufficient to charge at 100kW or 80kW but it charges as fast as possible and heats up the battery for that.
Search for the recurrent ev fast charging study! No effect on overall degradation for the studied evs which did 90% home charging vs those which were almost exclusively dc fast charged over 90% of the time. 😎
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@@4literv6It's not about the speed, it's about the temperature. So if they can properly cool it, it should be good, but 300+ kW is a lot... (actually thinking of it, it would be cool, if EVs had some kind of heat accumulator that would suck heat from charging and then release it for cabin heating on the road)
Another great video, thank you :) I just realised that after months of watching you, I've never subscribed. Oops, It's done now, keep up the good work 👍 So many new electric car reviews, I like your style and the way you say straight, being honest not covering up.
With recent changes in price around 23:30 into the video... The vehicle in the background is the direct competition... The Hongqi.... Both are outstanding as for comfort...
2 thumbs up....I guess that means it's worth the trade off?? On video the quality looks really nice....how does it feel in person compared to the Germans?
Amazing drive. Usually I sigh of relief when stepping back into our topped up Mercedes GLE from EV But the Xpeng g9 is a blast to drive. Very Nice interior quality. However the Mercedes Mbux is way more logical and better.
Yep. I am extremely picky about cars, and used to german cars so i was EXTREMELY skeptic To This one. But it really is a fun car to drive, way more fun than ours to be honest, its super powerful yet quiet and stable on the road. And there is hardly any plastic in the interior
@@selmainordstrom125 Me too, I generally like German cars for their build quality and design but things have moved on!! Unfortunately Chinese cars still have a stigma attached to them, even Bjorn is always making fun, but in many ways they've caught up or even overtaken European carmakers now. I have shares in NIO and Xpeng so I hope they both do well!! The reviews are positive so far and they seem to take on feedback and implement changes much quicker than legacy brands! If I didn't live in Australia, I would have bought one by now!!
Very good video, raw stuff. Yea this car charges really good and fast. Regarding the noises yea the ding dong is too much at times but when you are in China there seems to be car always trying to go over you - guess that helps 😅
@@FirstLast-rh9jw Are you referring to my 82 Kwh id.3 ? I have 71.6 Usable Kwh at almost 67,000 Kms and 2 years old, new was around 73.5 Kwh so that would show a loss of around 2 Ah or around 2.5%. The Id3 82 Kwh offers around 73.5 Kwh when new so it has a very large buffer and in a way it annoys me that I pay for 82 Kwh battery and can only use 73.5 Kwh when new. I understand a buffer is needed but VW annoy me by constantly trying to make you charge to 80% which I find unnecessary with such a large buffer. Having said all that, I really need to take a reading of the battery health when it's around 20 Deg C but that's very difficult to achieve in Ireland but as the battery gets colder it's not able to store as much energy. 60 Kw Charging is a pain in the ass in reality, it's not much better than my 2015 Nissan Leaf 28 Kwh, 21 Usable. You have to be plugged in at around 10% or less to achieve 130 Kw and that's with a warm battery which in Ireland is never going to happen, even in Summer here the temps can get to 8 deg C or less, that's 46.4F and more than enough to ensure a cold battery when away from home without being able to preheat the battery even though it has a battery heater.......but VW are not alone in that regard. I would never again buy an EV that can't charge at over 200 Kw + Winter and Summer. I had high hopes for VW ID cars but DC charging lets them down badly in my opinion. A European Diesel can get you 900+ kms any weather and 5 min refill or less at 60+ Imp MPG. That's 3 times the distance of my 82 Kwh 71 usable Kwh EV that takes much longer to charge and means you'd need around 200 Kwh battery to give similar range, impossible due to weight.
@@Jajalaatmaar When I need a fast charge yes it does suck big time, the 82 Kwh is capable of around 130 Kw when up to temp which is unlikely in Ireland ever and at a very low charge level. But at 20% plugging in I have never seen more than 60 Kw, however I have not yet fast charged with the new 3.2 software which was supposed to up the charge power. One advantage of the big battery id3 is that I don't need to fast charge much at all. Living in Ireland means you can't drive too far anyway without landing in the sea which has big disadvantages because we're cut off from mainland Europe. Even though Ireland is a small Island the public DC charging network is complete and utter shit.
@@Jajalaatmaar I did a test today, first since the 3.2 update and most I saw was 85 Kw, got 22 Kwh in 17 mins. It started off around 70 Kw. First time I plugged in at 10% so this might have been the reason for improved power because it's known that on ID cars you need to be plugged in at 10% or lower to get good charging speed. So 10-42% took around 17 mins. Battery temp was just over 30 Deg C when I unplugged and sadly I didn't check the temps before I plugged in because I'm curious did it heat up from charging or did the battery heater warm it up. Temps the last 2 days are around 7-9 Deg C.
I stopped at a 250 kw V3 Tesla charger with 10.9% the other day and thought getting 246kw was the Mutts Nutts. I think I might swap over km from miles so I have the illusion of more range and faster charging!
@@BabyKermit_ Yes as long as the V3 stalls locations are opened up to non Tesla, in Europe it is all the same plugs. So I see no reason why a G9 cannot be charged, as long as the owner has a Tesla account on their phone. A V4 charger accepts tap and pay debit and credit cards so may not need an account.
Another great comparison video, both great cars. One thing I would like to clarify is the IKEA box test. It’s my understanding that to drive legally the driver should be able to see out the rear window (which the Tesla cannot legally do) so the Ariya should win the box test with the electronic rear view mirror enabling them to drive legally Correct me if I’m wrong Thanks, all the best Alan
Usually batteries charge like that, slow in low %, fast in the middle charge and slow when close to full. Phones do the same. To travel the fastest try to always charge with more than 20% and stop at 80%.
Loading speed will become the new standard. From %10 to 80% in 20 minutes. Then a range of 350 km at 130km/h is sufficient. Plus 22kw/h AC. This is the end of the combustion engine.
Then you have another problem, will you be able to eat a hamburger in that time, or do they have to create smaller menus, värmer Coca Cola and not that hot coffee? I think many BEV users today check news, read emails and write SMSs today, and then the time is flying, unfortunately.
that is quite insane charging rates, but you have to ask yourself the effect on the lifespan of the battery and also what increase in risk of fire/damage, that high a voltage and amps there has to be some increase in risk of overheating or accidents somewhere along the line, can you feel heat in the wires anywhere? even at those crazy rates its 40min or more to charge
Isn't it more for road trips anyway? Most charges are done using slow charging. Though a giga charge speed does mean it becomes more tempting to just fast charge more often.
Look at the US where owners without home charging charge their Teslas only on superchargers. That statement likely isn't fully correct :D@@proboxpepper6752
I notice that the display while charging said "Low-temperature Battery Preheating Off" - would that have affected the initial battery temperature, or is that a different setting just for *extreme* cold weather?
Seems to be range calculation based on real soc, which is connected to real voltage. Lithium ion batteries always have a nonlinear voltage drop over soc. Looks like they did not block some capacity from use and gave customers full control in the hopes they will not completely empty it. Very good for range testing, not ideal for new customers which will freak out the first times they get really low. Otherwise one explanation why power was reduced early into the charge. Current will have been limited to avoid battery degradation. European cars would likely not do it like that. As for the alpitronic hyperchargers: maximum power is voltage dependant. 350kw may be possible at peak voltage, which is between 920 to 960V. The CCS Connector is rated for maximum 500A of current. This is a hard limit. Only lucid and maybe rimac would be able to get 350kw out of that charger at the time of writing this. As for power reduction and bounce back at higher soc: in combination with the cooling system going full blast that looked like a battery temperature related limit. This reduction will increase with rising ambient temperatures.
I ordered the Standard range RWD this summer, but canceled it. Ended up with a new Model Y LR instead. I testdrove 2 cars, but the seats and stereo was horrible i the second car. Seats was rock hard, and both me and my wife got carsick from the suspension! I absolutely fell in love after the first testdrive and ordered one. But we cancelled it after a seconds test in a different car. Also some of the screen functions were strange and idiotic. Missed the view of blind spot when blinking. So we dropped out and are very happy with the Tesla. If build quality is not consistent we did not want to be the first owners of these cars now. I'm thinking that in 4-5 years time. If Xpeng G9 or X9 is still a thing in Norway? Then we will get Xpeng and not Tesla
There's a customization mode in the G9 standard range (optioned w/ air suspension) that I tested last week, and I can spec the thing to drive like a BMW. Not quite in the Tesla land but close. Firm up the suspension and lower the regen and you probably will end up with less wobbling when the regen kicks in, thereby reducing chances of carsick. The customization function really did it for me.
Hello and thanks 🙏 for the detailed feedback of the car, is there any percentage of the fill level of the battery , and how is the difference between the km numbers WLTP and the real distance… regards Alexander
E uma desgraca 😢 ter que nos preocupar com os carregamentos...ja basta os miudos a viagem a bagagem e agora os carregadores....440 klms em 5.20h....e muito tempo...precisamos maior capacidade na bateria....assim vamos ter de comprar um carro para a cidade outro para as longas distancias.....quantos carros??????
Bjorn I would like you to do John o Groats to Landsend with a normal EV and a Tesla...only if possible at some point of course. Thanks for every test !
Yes. An interesting test although the road isn't great at John-o-Groats end. (Actually probably not great at the other end either.. It's OK in the middle.. Apart from the smart motorway speed cameras.) Hmmm 😮
The sound is very good, he has 22 speakers, the bass is strong, the high frequency is also good, I think the only drawback is that the voice is not particularly prominent, but the whole is still good
it'd be nice if nio invites bjorn to checkout the prototypes for their sub-brands so things can be changed before its too late. really annoyed their et5 had so many obvious flaws that could have been fixed during prototype stage.
They should put solar panels /small wind turbines on top of the car parks.. So as not to tax the grid too much and make the charging almost free for the next 30 to 40 years.. You only need to pay for the cost and maintenance of the infrastructure divided by 30 years.. Excess power can be sold back to the grid..This will keep the electricity cost low unlike in Singapore.
Considering getting one--but this price is really something else. Exponentially more expensive tho--the performance version is priced at 350k RMB here in China, which is about 540k NOK.
yeah its just that cars in China in general are not as expensive, an id3 in China costs like 23.000 US dollars, you can´t complain about chinese cars rising their prices in Europe when everybody else does it as well... Also Norwegians still have a large relative price to income advantage compared to avg chinese person!
@@johannfriedsam1136 It was just a paradigm shift because we were used to having cars at lower specs (esp on safety features!) and higher prices for the past 20+ years despite lower avg income.
5:45 no the charger is not kaputt, you didn't enable low temp battery preheating if I read the dash correctly, second button from the left on the bottom row.
That’s why it’s would be wise to get a Nio , you don’t have to worry about charging for 25 min nor do you have to worry about battery degration. Nio will be an Ev of the future.
This proves to me that the car doesn't allow battery conditioning when going to charger! Maybe a software button to pre-condition the battery might be in the future!
I think you should test BMW M3 Wagon (G81) even if you mainly do electrics, would be fun to watch. Since it is my dream car and i do enjoy watching your reviews and opinions.
@@andreasu.3546pretty much. People complain about the charge speed. But little do they know. You dont gain much when you bring charge time from 20 to 10. Cause 20 mins is less time than need for a bathroom break.
A retest of the G9 in the standard range with the standard trim would be very nice. I testdrove the standard range G9 and wasn’t that impressed to be quite honest. Especially the audio was quite bad and the price for the upgrade 6K euro since it’s part of a pack. Here in NL, the standard range would be the car you really see on the road.
@@DvdB-jw4dg My mistake. But 4K for better audio is too much in my opinion, especially since the standard audio is really not that good. For me it ruined an otherwise great car.
Curious on the battery state in 5 years. Also the infotainment on these are crap, and the ride in the Performance version could be better to accomodate the drivetrain. But all in all it is a nice car with really many features and quality for the price!
What is it with the Chinese obsession to ping-pong. One would think settings to turn pongs on and off should not be impossible but practically no Chinese car has the option
Legal obligation in some markets is possible, but still why not have the setting to turn off the ones that are not legally required in the area the car is sold.
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Your testing is the gold standard of EV reviews. All the other reviewers, never focus on all the practical aspects like real world range and charging speeds!
At these point I only watch other EV reviews for fun but the only one I really trust is Bjorn
same! how it works day to day is so much more important than first impressions driving the car once in other reviews!
Autogefuhl is quite ok, but not EV focused
you can't trust tesla fan boy review... 🤨🤨
@@sonofyoutube6248 you can trust kiabjorn
Bjorn and a French channel called Ev Chaine. They are good in comparing cars in real time tests.
Hey Björn, a big beta update (4.4.0) was released just now. I think it addresses almost all of your concerns. Pretty much all bings and bongs can now be switched off and the car seems to handle way better while using X-Pilot. Not slowing down as bad in curves, adapting to people overtaking you way better, no bings and bongs, etc. Would be cool to see your impressions again, maybe compare it to Tesla FSD in Europe.
The big question will be whether X-Pilot is now just a gimmick that's too annoying or a feature to really consider when buying the car.
Agree!
Agreed, nice to see a test. I see industry experts and a Tesla employee wager that FSD europe wont happen until after 2026 - and that’s not even a guarantee.
The legal system is too regulated, no automated actions allowed (lane change, off ramp, reroute, basically everything required)
I'd love to see a G9 re-test with the new 4.4.0 software. Not 1000km but just xpilot specifically. Great video.
Yes pelase!! 😁
7 years / 160.000km warranty is also important and class leading. Its a great car. Impressive
10 years / 200.000km for Zeekr
@@evkx Wow
Same as KIA
My 2014 Tesla was 8 years unlimited Kilometers.
@@moestrei yeah, we also got free supercharging, but that was too expensive for Tesla, hence Tesla warranty is average now.
Just into the video and had to comment at the part where you're charging the first time and you wonder if the car is coldgating. At around 6:50, you can see on the bottom of the screen that the option "Low-Temperature Battery Preheating" is switched off, so that might explain one or two things. Maybe you pick up on this further in the video, but I paused it to write this comment.
Nope. That feature is for precondition while stationary.
@@bjornnyland oh, thanks!
2:45 it’s not good in Europe. But in China it’s level 4 now. In city and on highway. And works flawlessly
Finally you made this video 🤣 I made a sneak preview in your live stream, and love the future technology of this beast.
alpitronic Hypercharger HYC_300 is always exactly 300 kW, each power stack is exactly 75 kW. Also on market is a new HYC_400 while visually indistinguishable do have 100 kW power stacks so can push 400 kW out. There are no 87.5 kW power stacks. Those on video are certainly HYC_300. Depending on how the CPO specifies them, they can have cables anywhere from 200A to 500A water cooled. You can tell only by looking at the nameplate.
Alpitronic are made in Italy
Then the problems Bjorn could have had were the cable and the bottom SOC speed on that model car.
it's purely the car issue, I suppose there are voltage cutoffs,
Would love to some videos with the RWD standard range - especially in winter since its LFP. I think its the best buy
I agree. That _would_ be interesting. Please consider it, Björn!
I would say it is very difficult to get another model. It is not for selling in EU right now.
I agree - would love to see some content on the Standard Range
Thats not true, standard and long range are selling eu, atleast in Norway
Selling in sweden too
Pretty big update coming this month (March 2023). The beta for it just released. It will seems to solve pretty much all the software complaints in on go. Now to see if they can deliver.
Maybe try the car again when it's released?
It features:
- Bluetooth sound quality improved.
- Battery capacity can now also be displayed in percentage.
- Charging stations in navigation can now be filtered by charging capacity.
- German language setting is now possible.
- Fewer disclaimers for apps.
- Improving the translation of functions in Dutch and other languages.
- DSM (driver monitoring system) can now have 3 different sensitivities: low/normal/high. High is what the standard was before the update.
- LSS (Lane support system): number of warnings significantly reduced to the most necessary and legally necessary. Less vibrations on the handlebars.
- IHB (intelligent high beam): Should be more precise, turn off the lights earlier to avoid annoying oncoming traffic. Should be better on highways too.
- X-Pilot ACC (adaptive cruise control): should work more "smoothly", less braking by parked cars at the edge of the street. Also improved logic in processing speed limit changes. Now automatically maintains speed when switching from LCC to ACC by steering movement.
- X-Pilot LCC (Lane Centering Control): Traffic light detection has now been added and appears at the top of the driver's dashboard. Optimization of acceleration and braking, so less slow acceleration and less sudden braking, even when drivers merge in front of you into your lane. Also less delay in corners and less chance of the system switching itself off.
- ALC (automatic lane shift assistant): Feedback has been improved and timing of acceleration after the lane change has taken place has been improved. ALC should be able to be the primary means of lane changing on the highway.
- APA (intelligent park assist): Has become better at parking in spaces. Better comfort due to fewer sudden movements during parking. Better at parallel parking on roads and also in narrow streets. Less time switching between forward and reverse during parking movement.
- 360 degree camera: tires are now visible under the chassis. Transparent chassis has been improved. Steering direction and tire position can now be seen in real time. Optimization of the driving direction in 360-degree view to prevent parking damage.
- Beeps: fewer beeps and visual notifications during X-Pilot with ACC, X-Pilot with LCC and ALC while driving. A more peaceful and user-friendly driving experience should be the result.
- Air conditioning: anti-dust function starts earlier, reducing the risk of air conditioning and window damage.
Thank you for testing all those cars in such a thorough manner all the time.
Could you please make a video on all the comfort features of this vehicle:
-Air Suspension
-Front Seat reclining to "business class" mode
- Passenger Screen and watching Video/TH-cam while driving
- Back Seat comfort
- Camping mode
Havent found any Review yet which shows these points in depth.
On the IAA in munich i was able to sit in the car, but the infotainment was only in showroom mode :/
Ordering a performance in coming weeks, drove the G9 today, you get sooo much for the money especially here in Sweden.
I would have to put a piece of tape over that flashing 110 kmh warning 😂
There should be an "European mode" with no irritating sounds.
The sounds are there because of European laws.
Isn't it ironic its EU law that mandates all the irritating noises but its Europeans that hate the noises the most!
Only the speed warning sounds which you can turn off. @@emilun77
It's almost like you were suggesting some kind exit 😮😉
@@emilun77With Nio it can be turned of permanent with a one time agrement based on the drivers profile.
I love how he tests in a fun way and including the sound system
yah he is very funny even without trying
The slow acceleration to high charge-up speed is to protect the batteries from unnecessary degradation.
Thanks Bjorn as always nice video
Nice video as always 😁💪🏼
I would like to see Lotus Electre 1000km challenge.
me not...we don't need it 😛
The charging speed of the g9 is insane, and efficiency is pretty good as well considering the car size. Just imagine what this powertrain could do on a sedan.
read: G6, and future version of P7
is loading so fast good or bad for the battery?
@@miketan373I had the same thought. Usually slow charging is best for a battery.
And having the kids go "are we there yet?" is not getting reduced by having to stop for 40 - 60 min every time you need to charge. :)
How many hours driving are there on a full battery?
Great review as always. That charging is insane. As you said only Lotus charges faster in theory . (hope to see in practice soon in a review from you)
It’s going to be interesting to see how the battery holds up after 5-7years. Please to a battery test after 12 months and 36months.
Remember that it's most unlikely that people would use this fast charging that often.. It's only for the longest trips. It's important that it has the feature, but if it's not used that often, it shouldn't result in degrading the battery.
@@londonwestman1 Well but People who dont charge at home or work, will charge at the Supermarket or other places.
And there are more and more HPCs there so you cant really choose to charge slower.
Thats my problem with my Model 3 it would be sufficient to charge at 100kW or 80kW but it charges as fast as possible and heats up the battery for that.
@@MrTechfreak95 You can decrease the max charging level in TM3? Or nor? :O
@@jozefputirka1137 charge level? Yes between 50 and 100 percent.
But charge speed on DC no, it takes what it gets.
First, we need a standard to strictly define what is battery degradation, and China is in the process of developing such standards
If this hyper-fast charging doesn't kill the battery in a couple of years then it is really awesome.
Search for the recurrent ev fast charging study! No effect on overall degradation for the studied evs which did 90% home charging vs those which were almost exclusively dc fast charged over 90% of the time. 😎
@@4literv6It's not about the speed, it's about the temperature. So if they can properly cool it, it should be good, but 300+ kW is a lot...
(actually thinking of it, it would be cool, if EVs had some kind of heat accumulator that would suck heat from charging and then release it for cabin heating on the road)
@ This car has cooling system specifically for battery that starts once you plugged it in
Another great video, thank you :) I just realised that after months of watching you, I've never subscribed. Oops, It's done now, keep up the good work 👍 So many new electric car reviews, I like your style and the way you say straight, being honest not covering up.
you know there a li auto mega from China which has a peak power at 500kw and can do 10-80% in 11mins
为啥你们那么关注中国电动车😂，我们的企业想进去你们国家太难了
The charging could be much faster in China... It is limited in EU. And the sound can be muted btw. not sure whether they are disabled in europe.
Exactly this
I only watch these to hear Bjørn say "NEIN! NEIN! NEIN! NEIN!" 😂
I am still waiting on the zeekr.001 140kwh 1000km challenge😊
Logic says it will win because only obviously need one charging stop.. but overall.. at a 5000km challenge it will be very low on the list...
You're funny lol and that cat sounds like a video game with all the beeps🤣🤣
The first charge after your sleep, wonder if the battery cooled off more than when being driven resulting in slow charging performance initially?
The cruise control dont slow down in curvs/swing anymore. The more EU/Norway versjon of the cars software now.
Have followed the live stream as well. Wery interested in this car. Great video! Thanks! 🎉 Waiting for zeekr 001 comparison video 😊😅
With recent changes in price around 23:30 into the video... The vehicle in the background is the direct competition... The Hongqi.... Both are outstanding as for comfort...
2 thumbs up....I guess that means it's worth the trade off?? On video the quality looks really nice....how does it feel in person compared to the Germans?
Amazing drive. Usually I sigh of relief when stepping back into our topped up Mercedes GLE from EV But the Xpeng g9 is a blast to drive. Very Nice interior quality. However the Mercedes Mbux is way more logical and better.
@@selmainordstrom125 Thanks for the feedback....Its sometimes a bit hard to tell from the videos as they all look nice!
Yep. I am extremely picky about cars, and used to german cars so i was EXTREMELY skeptic To This one. But it really is a fun car to drive, way more fun than ours to be honest, its super powerful yet quiet and stable on the road. And there is hardly any plastic in the interior
@@selmainordstrom125 Me too, I generally like German cars for their build quality and design but things have moved on!! Unfortunately Chinese cars still have a stigma attached to them, even Bjorn is always making fun, but in many ways they've caught up or even overtaken European carmakers now. I have shares in NIO and Xpeng so I hope they both do well!! The reviews are positive so far and they seem to take on feedback and implement changes much quicker than legacy brands! If I didn't live in Australia, I would have bought one by now!!
"Maybe that shit works over in China, but over here in Europe, *NEIN!* "
😂🎉
Very good video, raw stuff.
Yea this car charges really good and fast. Regarding the noises yea the ding dong is too much at times but when you are in China there seems to be car always trying to go over you - guess that helps 😅
Such a battery in an efficient car would be awesome!
Now that's a big improvement over my id3 82 kWh, the most I ever got was 60 Kw which is quite depressing.
I could live with that... It's a shame the car isn't sold here stateside.
@@FirstLast-rh9jw Are you referring to my 82 Kwh id.3 ?
I have 71.6 Usable Kwh at almost 67,000 Kms and 2 years old, new was around 73.5 Kwh so that would show a loss of around 2 Ah or around 2.5%.
The Id3 82 Kwh offers around 73.5 Kwh when new so it has a very large buffer and in a way it annoys me that I pay for 82 Kwh battery and can only use 73.5 Kwh when new. I understand a buffer is needed but VW annoy me by constantly trying to make you charge to 80% which I find unnecessary with such a large buffer. Having said all that, I really need to take a reading of the battery health when it's around 20 Deg C but that's very difficult to achieve in Ireland but as the battery gets colder it's not able to store as much energy.
60 Kw Charging is a pain in the ass in reality, it's not much better than my 2015 Nissan Leaf 28 Kwh, 21 Usable.
You have to be plugged in at around 10% or less to achieve 130 Kw and that's with a warm battery which in Ireland is never going to happen, even in Summer here the temps can get to 8 deg C or less, that's 46.4F and more than enough to ensure a cold battery when away from home without being able to preheat the battery even though it has a battery heater.......but VW are not alone in that regard.
I would never again buy an EV that can't charge at over 200 Kw + Winter and Summer.
I had high hopes for VW ID cars but DC charging lets them down badly in my opinion.
A European Diesel can get you 900+ kms any weather and 5 min refill or less at 60+ Imp MPG. That's 3 times the distance of my 82 Kwh 71 usable Kwh EV that takes much longer to charge and means you'd need around 200 Kwh battery to give similar range, impossible due to weight.
Wow, and with such a big battery. That must suck.
@@Jajalaatmaar When I need a fast charge yes it does suck big time, the 82 Kwh is capable of around 130 Kw when up to temp which is unlikely in Ireland ever and at a very low charge level. But at 20% plugging in I have never seen more than 60 Kw, however I have not yet fast charged with the new 3.2 software which was supposed to up the charge power.
One advantage of the big battery id3 is that I don't need to fast charge much at all. Living in Ireland means you can't drive too far anyway without landing in the sea which has big disadvantages because we're cut off from mainland Europe.
Even though Ireland is a small Island the public DC charging network is complete and utter shit.
@@Jajalaatmaar I did a test today, first since the 3.2 update and most I saw was 85 Kw, got 22 Kwh in 17 mins. It started off around 70 Kw.
First time I plugged in at 10% so this might have been the reason for improved power because it's known that on ID cars you need to be plugged in at 10% or lower to get good charging speed.
So 10-42% took around 17 mins.
Battery temp was just over 30 Deg C when I unplugged and sadly I didn't check the temps before I plugged in because I'm curious did it heat up from charging or did the battery heater warm it up.
Temps the last 2 days are around 7-9 Deg C.
I stopped at a 250 kw V3 Tesla charger with 10.9% the other day and thought getting 246kw was the Mutts Nutts. I think I might swap over km from miles so I have the illusion of more range and faster charging!
@@BabyKermit_ Yes as long as the V3 stalls locations are opened up to non Tesla, in Europe it is all the same plugs. So I see no reason why a G9 cannot be charged, as long as the owner has a Tesla account on their phone. A V4 charger accepts tap and pay debit and credit cards so may not need an account.
Another great comparison video, both great cars.
One thing I would like to clarify is the IKEA box test.
It’s my understanding that to drive legally the driver should be able to see out the rear window (which the Tesla cannot legally do) so the Ariya should win the box test with the electronic rear view mirror enabling them to drive legally
Correct me if I’m wrong
Thanks, all the best
Alan
First of all, it's not IKEA boxes. Those are banana boxes. And the banana box test is to measure space. It's not meant to be driven like that.
Can you compare the comfort(suspension) and noise level to the Hongqi HS9?
Game over😀... That is a big complement
Usually batteries charge like that, slow in low %, fast in the middle charge and slow when close to full. Phones do the same. To travel the fastest try to always charge with more than 20% and stop at 80%.
Loading speed will become the new standard. From %10 to 80% in 20 minutes. Then a range of 350 km at 130km/h is sufficient. Plus 22kw/h AC. This is the end of the combustion engine.
For my family. It is already ended.
Then you have another problem, will you be able to eat a hamburger in that time, or do they have to create smaller menus, värmer Coca Cola and not that hot coffee?
I think many BEV users today check news, read emails and write SMSs today, and then the time is flying, unfortunately.
You mean... Then end of one of most important Europe economic pilars. So many will lose there jobs...
that is quite insane charging rates, but you have to ask yourself the effect on the lifespan of the battery and also what increase in risk of fire/damage, that high a voltage and amps there has to be some increase in risk of overheating or accidents somewhere along the line, can you feel heat in the wires anywhere?
even at those crazy rates its 40min or more to charge
Isn't it more for road trips anyway? Most charges are done using slow charging. Though a giga charge speed does mean it becomes more tempting to just fast charge more often.
you don't charge your car everytime at 315kw
someone will!@@proboxpepper6752
Armchair engineer speaking
Look at the US where owners without home charging charge their Teslas only on superchargers. That statement likely isn't fully correct :D@@proboxpepper6752
I notice that the display while charging said "Low-temperature Battery Preheating Off" - would that have affected the initial battery temperature, or is that a different setting just for *extreme* cold weather?
That feature is for preheating battery while parked.
Seems to be range calculation based on real soc, which is connected to real voltage. Lithium ion batteries always have a nonlinear voltage drop over soc. Looks like they did not block some capacity from use and gave customers full control in the hopes they will not completely empty it.
Very good for range testing, not ideal for new customers which will freak out the first times they get really low. Otherwise one explanation why power was reduced early into the charge. Current will have been limited to avoid battery degradation. European cars would likely not do it like that.
As for the alpitronic hyperchargers: maximum power is voltage dependant. 350kw may be possible at peak voltage, which is between 920 to 960V. The CCS Connector is rated for maximum 500A of current. This is a hard limit. Only lucid and maybe rimac would be able to get 350kw out of that charger at the time of writing this.
As for power reduction and bounce back at higher soc: in combination with the cooling system going full blast that looked like a battery temperature related limit. This reduction will increase with rising ambient temperatures.
I ordered the Standard range RWD this summer, but canceled it. Ended up with a new Model Y LR instead. I testdrove 2 cars, but the seats and stereo was horrible i the second car. Seats was rock hard, and both me and my wife got carsick from the suspension! I absolutely fell in love after the first testdrive and ordered one. But we cancelled it after a seconds test in a different car. Also some of the screen functions were strange and idiotic. Missed the view of blind spot when blinking. So we dropped out and are very happy with the Tesla. If build quality is not consistent we did not want to be the first owners of these cars now. I'm thinking that in 4-5 years time. If Xpeng G9 or X9 is still a thing in Norway? Then we will get Xpeng and not Tesla
There's a customization mode in the G9 standard range (optioned w/ air suspension) that I tested last week, and I can spec the thing to drive like a BMW. Not quite in the Tesla land but close. Firm up the suspension and lower the regen and you probably will end up with less wobbling when the regen kicks in, thereby reducing chances of carsick. The customization function really did it for me.
I like the "slows down like a Toyota driver" 😂 an exaggeration though coz nothing can drive more slowly than a Toyota driver! 😅
Haha neeein. You are great Bjorn.
Would love when you test drive Nio EL6. It's a more comparable model to G9.
Hello and thanks 🙏 for the detailed feedback of the car, is there any percentage of the fill level of the battery , and how is the difference between the km numbers WLTP and the real distance… regards Alexander
E uma desgraca 😢 ter que nos preocupar com os carregamentos...ja basta os miudos a viagem a bagagem e agora os carregadores....440 klms em 5.20h....e muito tempo...precisamos maior capacidade na bateria....assim vamos ter de comprar um carro para a cidade outro para as longas distancias.....quantos carros??????
Ok, I believe these are coming to Canada, I wonder how often they update their software to fix such issues as ADAS performance! This car really rocks!
Have not seen confirmation from BYD. Hope you are correct. Hyundai/KIA seem to block export to Canada.
Bjorn I would like you to do John o Groats to Landsend with a normal EV and a Tesla...only if possible at some point of course.
Thanks for every test !
Yes. An interesting test although the road isn't great at John-o-Groats end. (Actually probably not great at the other end either.. It's OK in the middle.. Apart from the smart motorway speed cameras.) Hmmm 😮
Thanks for another great video! How do you rate the sound system? Are you posting a review of it?
The sound is very good, he has 22 speakers, the bass is strong, the high frequency is also good, I think the only drawback is that the voice is not particularly prominent, but the whole is still good
10:40 Hahahaha STOP in Norway is STOPP
6:30 with these type of chargers I also do not get best performance!
NEIN!!! Totally agree!
There’re no irritating sounds in China, possibly because XNGP is not fully supported in Norway at the moment?
it'd be nice if nio invites bjorn to checkout the prototypes for their sub-brands so things can be changed before its too late. really annoyed their et5 had so many obvious flaws that could have been fixed during prototype stage.
And looking forward to this 150kWh battery. I think it's now available in China.. Does anyone know more?
@@londonwestman1 i haven't seen any videos of anyone reviewing it so i feel it actually isn't deployed yet :(. but im not sure.
为啥您的英语听起来很舒服 👍 声音很有磁性
Would you buy new Tesla 3?
I think below 10-20% and above 80% the charging is always slow due to battey conservation.....
background music is cool 😎
Do you know when you can do range test and 1000km challenge with the Highland? best probably in spring so that is has chance to make #1 🎉
Not yet.
it would be nice too see this test again in summer. Still impressive, what some chinese can do. If only they would not consume that much juice.
They should put solar panels /small wind turbines on top of the car parks.. So as not to tax the grid too much and make the charging almost free for the next 30 to 40 years.. You only need to pay for the cost and maintenance of the infrastructure divided by 30 years.. Excess power can be sold back to the grid..This will keep the electricity cost low unlike in Singapore.
Considering getting one--but this price is really something else. Exponentially more expensive tho--the performance version is priced at 350k RMB here in China, which is about 540k NOK.
yeah its just that cars in China in general are not as expensive, an id3 in China costs like 23.000 US dollars, you can´t complain about chinese cars rising their prices in Europe when everybody else does it as well... Also Norwegians still have a large relative price to income advantage compared to avg chinese person!
@@johannfriedsam1136 It was just a paradigm shift because we were used to having cars at lower specs (esp on safety features!) and higher prices for the past 20+ years despite lower avg income.
That new Chinese minivan charges 552 kw speed.
@@greggpon7466That battery called qilin，which is too expensive for Tesla model 3/y. And Tesla didn't build it's luxury car outside US.
5:45 no the charger is not kaputt, you didn't enable low temp battery preheating if I read the dash correctly, second button from the left on the bottom row.
I was wondering if I am the only one who has not missed this detail.
That feature is for preheating while parked.
@@bjornnyland that sounds like a silly feature to have? why would you pre-heat your battery while parking instead of on the way to the next charger?
Would love to see some snow driving comparison tests to see which cars are best as I just moved to a colder climate
In snow the Toyota BZ4X is the best. Unfortunately, that's the only thing it's good at...
We must see the battery degradation in time, high speed charging it will affect some battery in time. Reliabilitty must be earn in time.
The charging rate by itself needs to be calibrated against the efficiency . How much range/period of time in the 10%-80% window.
I'm wondering about battery degradation when it charges so fast.
That’s why it’s would be wise to get a Nio , you don’t have to worry about charging for 25 min nor do you have to worry about battery degration. Nio will be an Ev of the future.
@@realnewyorkcityliving2065 NIO is struggeling right now. It will be a very gambling future...and expensive rental prices
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@7.37, it says low-temperature battery preheating off.
This proves to me that the car doesn't allow battery conditioning when going to charger! Maybe a software button to pre-condition the battery might be in the future!
I think you should test BMW M3 Wagon (G81) even if you mainly do electrics, would be fun to watch. Since it is my dream car and i do enjoy watching your reviews and opinions.
When 164Kw seems slow 😯
At this point, isn't it down to a "who dares torturing their battery the most" contest?
@@andreasu.3546pretty much. People complain about the charge speed. But little do they know. You dont gain much when you bring charge time from 20 to 10. Cause 20 mins is less time than need for a bathroom break.
@@林振华-t4v I agree. If the car can't itself cool under that load, I don't want it.
OMG Circle K is in Norway???
A retest of the G9 in the standard range with the standard trim would be very nice. I testdrove the standard range G9 and wasn’t that impressed to be quite honest. Especially the audio was quite bad and the price for the upgrade 6K euro since it’s part of a pack. Here in NL, the standard range would be the car you really see on the road.
upgrade is 4k not 6.
@@DvdB-jw4dg My mistake. But 4K for better audio is too much in my opinion, especially since the standard audio is really not that good. For me it ruined an otherwise great car.
@@ezeedijkit also includes massage seats front and back. And extra leg support but i agree its quite a price.
If this car had CarPlay 2.o where you personae everything and have your CarPlay control everything in the car… it be perfect
Bjørn Nyland you say the autosteer is shitty.
Can you rate the 3 best EV cars according to auto steer and adaptiv cruise control. 🙏
What about the sound system? Is it good?
Tack!🌹🙏
Best car around 🎉
Do you guys think that the battery will degrade faster since they let the battery charge so fast at high SOC?
It didn't happened in China since Chinese users already drive G9 more than one year.
They have a slower mode it seems if you are worried.
I have a Tesla with 380.000km and 13% degradation. Any bet the Xpeng's battery will NEVER get there.
just see what warranty it offers.
The quality will show up with the years.
In Germany they say:"if you buy cheap, you will pay twice!!!"
VW will roll out models based on Xpeng platform, so stay tuned.
How fast does a Lucid Air charge at an Ionity station?
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One of my raletives has Xpeng, and it was not noisy to me?? We drove like 500km stright
20:32 doesn't sound like car reviewing to me LOL
Curious on the battery state in 5 years. Also the infotainment on these are crap, and the ride in the Performance version could be better to accomodate the drivetrain. But all in all it is a nice car with really many features and quality for the price!
dat charging speed made my eco flow turm slow mode
So in the charging status screen it shows 'low-temperature Battery Preheating' is switched OFF. Why is this @teslaBjorn ? Did I miss something?
That feature is for precondition while stationary.
Remember when we used to get excited about a 1MB hard drive and 8Mhz CPU speeds? Looks like charging speeds will be the new Moore's Law.
is this LFP? I am wondering if these charging speeds will eat up battery life
No, only SR is LFP.
I wonder if peng is the sound it would make if it catches on fire while charging.
What is it with the Chinese obsession to ping-pong. One would think settings to turn pongs on and off should not be impossible but practically no Chinese car has the option
Could it be legal obligation like seat belts?
Legal obligation in some markets is possible, but still why not have the setting to turn off the ones that are not legally required in the area the car is sold.