22RB Dragline De silting A Channel
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 เม.ย. 2022
- Attempting something you've never done before is always a bit daunting. I have operated lots of machinery over my working life, but using this type of machine to dig a channel was like learning to ride a bike all over again.
It requires full concentration for almost 100% of the time... or at least if you want to keep a very fluid and controlled approach to the task at hand. Like I mention it's like Rubbing your Tommy and Patting you Head all at the same time.
With that said, I was starting to get used to the controls and the way the machine handled. This video, is a bit back and forth as far as timeline of events, as it was mostly filmed at the start. I learnt a fair bit and had some difficulties along the way, as well as breakdowns and getting stuck. ( up coming video )
Hope you enjoy. Cheers Adrian. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
The swing was what gave me a fit. I was used to brakes and clutches as far as operation on dozers but a free swing was a different animal entirely. And learning on a clam feeding an asphalt plant and people around and 2 different speeds to maneuver on the freefall and NO instruction was VERY interesting. The guy running it asked if I thought I'd figured out what did what by watching him and I said I guessed so so out he came and in I went. I was like a big fly swat for a while, swinging all over the place but soon started refining what was going on. There were just 2 of us to run that rig so I had to get a handle on it quick. I guess I did because nothing got wrecked or killed. I'd sure like to be there. Haven't had hold of a 22 in a long time but like WRECKING a bicycle, one never forgets and I thought you were getting the air job. CHEERS and GBWYou!
lovely machine well done
Thanks. Paint covers a multitude of sins. But it is a good machine all things considered.
nice one Adrian
its all about practice, co ordination, concentration and confidence . You can see steady improvement. Its a skill that's for sure. Keep at it and enjoy
Thanks James. Yeah I think I imporved towards the end which I didn't film. There will be another video to explain what happened when I started having problems. Rain has finally come to Emerald QLD so not much chance I will be using the 22RB for a while. Cheerio Adrian
@@adriannettlefold9084 Keep posting mate
I guess I might've mistakenly assumed what the video's purpose was. Is it a demonstration of what can be done with a dragline, how to run one, or to just watch somebody trying to learn without any coaching???!! Not only is the machine set up improperly, but there's a whole world of technique and material handling to be learned. A dragline is an incredible machine and there are few who are real operators any more. I've watched every video that I've found, and there's only a few that have the skill required. You wouldn't give somebody an airplane and expect them to learn on their own.
I understand your point of view and in a perfect world people like myself, would've had someone teaching and mentoring them. Along with other equipment to ensure the pad was perfectly level, the boom would be shorter the chains would be the correct length, all the cables would be those suitable for the machine and of the correct length etc... BUT, that's not what happened. Thanks for watching, and hope you enjoy the videos.
The only thing I could say is TRY (and I mean that with all the understanding I have in learning a machine) is TRY and keep the drag rope out of the dirt as much as you can. I found that a loaded bucket can sideswipe the pile that builds up in front right well. I had to get used to a Unit which won't cast worth a hoot because of having to turn all the gears all the way back to the clutch so I ended up working pretty much under the boom point. Not like the 22 that'll throw a bucket out of sight. Just keep on warming that seat. It ain't rocket science but it sure is interesting. And I just latched the drag and had the right hand free for the hoist. Left was always on the swing and the change between swing and propel was always a 2 handed process and the more she runs, the easier she'll be. Keep the oil can handy!. GBWYou! And I can see you're getting the hang of it a LOT better from the start of the video. YAAY and CHEERS!
Hey Lew. I haven't forgotten about writing you, just had other items on the agenda. Hey this footage was at the at the beginning, so yeah was very sketchy about how to go about things. Found I was fighting the machine because it wasn't perfectly level and yes I agree with you on latching the drag, but I was trying to get a level floor so wanted a bit more control over pull vers lift. I also found I was partly to blame for oil getting on the rear clutch band.... I had all manner of trouble with it not wanting to track. I end up stuck at the end. ( next video will be all about the pit falls.) Anyways thanks for all your insight and knowledge, I greatly appreciate it. God Bless and can't wait to meet you in person.. cya.
@@adriannettlefold9084 There is always something with one of those rigs. I just walked up on a lump to level up because as you said, you'll be fighting the rig the best you can do. I expect you'll get grief about pulling sideways on the boom from someone but I've tied them in knots to get the blasted bucket where I needed it and never had any complications from it. I never had an ounce of 'formal' instruction on one so I can imagine how someone in a class would really lay it on thick as to procedure. I like real life better. Our 22- got killed when a whiz-bang ARVN bounced the bucket and the cable pulled a bait casting reel deal and wrapped up the boom hoist and it as never right after that. Finished the job with truck cranes. You have a wonderful week and one day I look forward to doing a lot of grinning together. CHEERS and God Be Wi You!
Once you’ve run one for a while you won’t even think about it.
Thanks Geoff. Not sure when I will get back on another job with her. I need to save some money, before doing anything more with it.
I admire your percerveriance . I could never run that
Yes you could, it's more of a "Do I really want to run that thing" in the end I realise it's max concentration all the time... the machine wasn't level and I was fighting it to put the bucket where I needed it... And before coming to grief near tbe end, it was partly my fault, I over filled the gear case with oil that splashed out on the clutch band and tben it needed to be cleaned and adjusted up for the machine to walk properly. I also realised It will need to have another machine with it in case to pull it out ,if it got stuck. All a big learning curve.
@@adriannettlefold9084 with these older draglines when you get a bit stuck allways help with your bucket. Just throw the bucket away in the directon you want to go just beside the path you want to travel and engage the drag clutch while youre traveling. This will prevent drive chains from the tracks to snap.
@@debozwi Yeah I will try that in the future.
You’d pick that up in no time. I think you are of the type, if it has an engine you can run it.
Hope you're looking after my ute 🤣
It will be worn out by the time your bum gets in the seat. It only goes for Queensland drivers. It did some heavy towing today from Capella round the back towards Blackwater. Pete sold the farm and I was helping move.
The bucket should easily fill every time it is pulled towards the machine! It appears your holding too much tension on the “lift line”. Try letting the weight of the bucket sit on the ground as your pulling it.
Thanks for the advice Walter. I found that in the softer material it would dig ok, but after bit of trial and error I adjust the chain length and position on the bucket and got better results. I have slightly larger buckets for the machine and I reckon this bucket in the end wasn't heavy enough for the harder material on the far bank. Watch for the next video and you'll get a better picture of what I mean. Cheers Adrian
Your doing great!!! It takes time in the seat, feet on the brakes, and leavers in your hands! Can’t wait for the next update!! Just DON’T give up!!!!
@@walterlamb4756 the next update is more of a "here is what went wrong" video. Its parked up now back at a mates place about 20kms away from where this footage was taken. Not sure when I will actually get another job for it to do. I have to get things fixed on her, so I'm weighing up the pros and cons. Cheers.
@@adriannettlefold9084
Hi Adrian,
I may be wrong, but I think that is a type AL bucket - they have a flat bottom and the digging teeth are parallel to the bottom.
They are for rehandling lightweight materials, and dredging, where you might want to just just skim the mud without penetrating the underlying material - say on a clay lined pool or reservoir.
Type AX and BAX buckets had teeth and mouth casting sloping downwards, and were more heavily built, to aid penetration in heavier digging.
Remember that the weight of the bucket is all that holds the teeth in the work, and the pitch and sharpness of the teeth is what gives the penetration . . . .
Also, the drag cable pull tends to pull the teeth OUT of the bank on the far side of the cut, and INTO the bank on the near side - you will struggle to get a similar slope on both banks because of this.
Looks a really tidy machine, after its paint job - I wish mine looked as good !
Kind regards,
Steve A.
@@steveallarton98 Thanks Steve, you're a wealth of knowledge and it's very much appreciated. I was trying to get things tidy and levelled up, but unfortunately for me... we had a little bit of drama which will be in the next video. I think I over filled the gear case after draining the watery custard. This started the trouble with the machine not wanting to walk properly. I only made matters worse towards the end by following someone else's advice to spray malt vinegar on to the clutch drums to make them grip better. ( I think I didn't do it quite right ) Anyway, I will have a look and try give you some more details about the buckets I have. Cheers Adrian
P.S. Paint covers a multitude of sins, but doesn't make it work any better.
Your bucket must be at boom point to empty if you dump closer drag in in fast then pay out you bucket must be level so pay out on hoist
Thanks. I will try, in the end I was managing better. I have to shorten chains etc. haven't had a play for 12months so hope to swing the bucket a few times yet before someone else get the pleasure.
You gotta be kidding!
In what sense do you mean? That a novice can actually get the thing to work or oh what nice old crane? 😄😁
So, . . . What was the purpose of the video? Before and after of his learning process? Embarrass the new guy? Hopefully not! More power to him for trying!! I watched 13 draglines on a particular project, all doing the same thing, by that I mean the object of the project. Out of the 13, if you knew what to look for, there were 3 that showed any sign of real skill. Lot of tax dollars wasted. Wasn't anybody running the project that knew any better!!!
Mate the bloke was me. I was in earthmoving as a 18-24yr old and then went into the Railway. I bought the dragline as toe in the water experience to see if I could start a part-time small business to earn extra money on my Days off. This was my first ever experience on a cable machine. All said and done, I was starting to get the hang of it, and then things went pear shaped, so we didn't end up tidying up as good as I would've liked. I haven't had the finances to do necessary repairs to make the machine reliable and the opportunity to do love jobs like this one, to gain more confidence and experience, were not there. So I have had the machine sitting parked up at another friends property. I will probably go have one more play before It goes up for auction. ( which is the most sensible and financially wise decision) I have other desires, and funny enough flying is one of them. So who knows, give me a few pointers and I might just have a crack off the cuff with that too.. LOL!