Labrador Retriever Training - Force Fetch vs Inductive Retrieve
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ต.ค. 2019
- Today I am answering email questions concerning my approach to establishing a solid, reliable, retrieve. The method I use in my Labrador Retriever puppy training program is awesome, and it applies to all types of retrievers equally well. I included a couple of German Shorthair Pointer puppies to give you a basic idea of how the concepts work with different breeds.
I hope you find my thoughts on the merits of the force fetch versus the inductive retriever to be fair and balanced. Again, leave your comments below if you feel I mischaracterized any part of traditional retriever training.
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This channel is devoted to providing a window into the life of professional dog trainer, Stonnie Dennis. I talk about dog training, boarding, health, equipment, and all the things that go into owning and running a successful dog training and boarding kennel.
At our kennel we place special emphasis on helping dogs reach their full potential through the use of physically and mentally demanding activities. Our primary goal is to help families raise happy, healthy, well socialized, canine companions.
We especially love training Labrador Retrievers, so don't be surprised when you see Labs of every age, size, shape, and color!!!
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Thank you all for your remarkable support over the years! I cannot express enough how grateful I am for your appreciation and patronage of this channel, my training style, and my kennel. Always remember, it’s a great day for a puppy-sized adventure!
⁃Stonnie Dennis, Dog Trainer
"You're a fine animal" is said in my best stonie impression at least 10 times a day.
I say, "I appreciate you" and I sound exactly like Stonnie when I say it (at least in my head I sound like him...). Anyone hearing me, in British Columbia, would be surprised by my Southern accent.
Bob Boucher that’s a good one as well. Seems like a great dude. My dog is awesome because of stonie, Peter, Larry and a lot of my efforts for sure.
(Not that I know any of them first name bases but people who know will know and those that don’t won’t)
I'm also in BC working on my Kentucky accent. "What a fine animal!"
Same
I'm glad I'm not the only one!! Me and my dad imitate him at LEAST once when we go out to the lake.
I just want to thank you Stonnie, I have had my GSP puppy for 2months now, she is a little over 4 months, and since day 1 I followed your videos on retrieving and they have helped me train her a lot! Just while watching this I trained her inside and threw a bunch of her toys and every single one she’s returned. Not all to hand yet or to the heel position but luckily you’ve given me and the rest of TH-cam followers the tools needed to get her there. I never comment on here but I know that you do this for the people and me being part of the people, just want to make sure you know that we’re thankful for all of these videos. So thanks again Stonnie! And Ely good job on the camera angles too, you deserve some recognition too! Keep up the amazing work guys!
Awesome! Keep up the good work!
Hi Stonnie, would you ever consider making a video on whistle stops/running blinds?
This is just the subject I was hoping you'd address. Thanks Stonnie! Your vids are incredibly informative
Awesome. I'm glad you enjoyed it!
I really liked the intro where you explain the difference between unskilled trainers vs "bad" training methods.
Currently the war between force free and everything else goes on. My main issue with force methods is they often damage a dog when applied by unskilled handlers.
I admire you for your ability to be open to new ideas and your tolerance of those who are not.
Thank you!
Thanks Stonnie,
I really enjoy your style
Love that firm fair and consistent.
Thoroughly enjoyed watching your video.
Nice to see the progress of Lucy’s buddies.
Putting in that work!
First time here...I have a 5 months old Boston Terrier, Elsa, who just loves to fetch anything we throw when playing. I learnt a lot from this video! So now I might get our 5 year old Shih-Tzu, Nikkolina, to bring back stuff too! Thanks a lot!
Nice!
Superb Training !
Stonnie, I think I already watched over 50 videos of yours and I can only say thank you for being such an amazing trainer and over all a great person!!!!
Thank you for watching!
this is such a good video, I wish I had found this video before I started my force fetching. I don't know if its a good idea to abandon mid way, I think I will just change it up a bit. Thankyou Sir.
Tnx Stonnie Very Helpfull For Me and My Dog...I Learned A Lot (Positive Reinforcement) Very Nice😆
No Name has to be one of the most interesting dog names ever.
Aloha Stonnie another wonderful video Thank you
Dang, Hawaii? I'm flattered!
Aloha Stonnie where you live is very beautiful also looks cold in the winter tho I live on the island of maui
Thx for thoses video uncle Stonnie
Hi Stonnie we just purchased a GSP and wanted to train him so the ol youtubes came to mind lol stumbled onto your videos and they are great love em!!! That being said our puppy is 16 weeks old and we have been doing the treat training for 2 weeks and he has sit and come down pretty well... I love to hunt and would like to train him to be at his full potential just kinda bumping around on here and seeing videos on the gibbions method and getting the dog to hold a bumper just curious to pick your brain a bit on what you think of those methods and how would you train for that action???? Thank you and again love the videos
Sweet job my friend. God Bless
Thank you!
Loving these videos. I will be getting a Choc Lab puppy in July but it’s been a long time since I trained one to hunt with me and even though the dogs did great I had no idea what I was doing. I was just winging it. I’ve noticed you’re using a clicker, are you just using it to let them know they have a treat coming ?
Stonnie, I thought Mr.NoName was Henry at first. He’s such a big dog now, filled out a bit, and is much more attentive. Two questions: 1) Does Mr No Name stay overnight in the kennel with the other dogs, or does he stay in the house with your family? 2) How is Henry? Can we see a Henry video? An all Henry video demonstrating superior skills? Thank you kindly.
Henry is semi retired...but I may bring him back for a few videos.
Stonnie Dennis I would appreciate that. Henry is a superstar! How about a video about the semi-retired dog, and the joy a well-mannered, well trained super attentive older dog brings to your family’s life.
@@StonnieDennis Yes please. Bring legend back : )
Our band manager had a yellow lab named Daniel. He had more discipline than most people. Our bass player had a chocolate and our guitar player had a black. I later had a black named Otis. Other then the border collie, I’ve not met a smarter, more personable ACTIVE canine. They are awesome with kids too. We could get Daniel singing, he would match our vocal tones. He went gray, I’m told, died of old age. Our manager came back to Oklahoma from Arizona and buried him deep in the woods by the trailer we all lived in , and the old yellow barn where we practiced , wrote , recorded. Those days are over , friends scattered…Daniel is there. He’s in most our band photos. He was the 7th member. Daniel dog. Best dogs in the world. ❤
Of course you have to work a lab or they get sad. We had a pond at the trailer . Daniel worked him every day. He was about two I believe when I first met him. Those guy hunted birds. We had massive quail feasts at the trailer. Good hunting dogs.
This is great . Thanks for the content.
Actually, I know they took Daniel w/ the other hunting dogs. I’m really assuming he was as good a retriever as dogs like Tommy here.
“Good boy” does anything make a retriever happier ? lol it’s hard to wear them out.
Looks like fun! Love your videos stonnie.
Thank you for watching!
larry andrews Nobody is making you watch them...
@larry andrews Come on Larry, how can you pretend you are not sitting through them? If I had to guess, my photo is your screen saver and Fine Animal is your ringtone.
@larry andrews Listen, I actually appreciate dedicated internet trolls. It's the ones that are easy to chase away that I hate. You are welcome here anytime! Criticize away...
larry andrews You could hold the leashes and the water bottles...
Stonnie can't be wrong very often with that many followers and views on his videos. Keep being authentic and inspirational Stonnie! I love your work!!
Thanks for watching! I appreciate your support!
larry andrews Dang, the internet is back up at the nursing home. Welcome back Larry!
@@StonnieDennis lol
@larry andrews If you paid a little bit closer attention to my videos you wouldn't have gotten rope burn. Think about that for a second.
@@StonnieDennis jealous trolls are wasting your time!
I like to categorize training like school. Public schools, private schools and catholic or military schools. Which one would you wanna attend? Good videos always stonnie.
Awesome vid as always Stonnie! Since im first here im gonna make a request. Can you show the prep work leading up to your dogs having their nails trimmed?
I have a video on nail trimming in one of my playlists...
@@StonnieDennis Already watched it a bunch of times, but like everything you do you make it look so easy 😂 First time I tried cutting I got a little blood so even now when I try with dremel my dog gets nervous. So it's the acclimation to grooming table and dremel I need. But I've watched you enough to guess the general outline I think:
1. Exercise
2. Small consistent steps
3. A dedicated spot for grooming
4. More exercise
It would be nice seeing the steps you take to acclimate them to the table and dremel and potentially what you do to recover after a fuck up, but yeah you've basically already covered it. An idea for a slow day I guess.
Thanks for all the content!
Bud Bro You are probably just applying to much pressure or using the wrong sanding hear. Use the rough sanding head and practice on your own nails until you get the hang of the pressure and duration.
@larry andrews Be honest, is English your second language?
Thanks for sharing your methods! I am training a 6 month old lab retriever who retrieves objects (bumpers, big and small canvas dummies, wooden dowels, bird dummies) to hand with near perfection. She already pheasant hunts and points birds in the field incredibly well, but I can't get her to retrieve an actual dead bird (shot or thrown). She just sits there and chews on the bird. Even if I take a dead bird and throw it in a retrieving session setting, she still cant connect the bird with a object she needs to retrieve. Any advice for transitioning retrieving objects to retrieving dead/wounded birds?
Do you have a video about how and when to stop using treats as motivation?
u awesome. love ur vids
Wonderful it see dogs doing what they are bred to do. And looking like they know what they're doing!
At least Eli isn't recording your shoe strings or the dogs butts. (giggle, giggle)
Another great video! I feel like you're talking to me personally, in all your videos. My lab will fetch anything but will drop it at my feet. I cannot seem to get him to "hold it". I'll search your videos to see if there's one on this basic step.
Found "Teaching a calm steady hold" Exactly what I need to back up and redo beginning work.
I was talking to you, personally...
Stonnie Dennis makes sense, even if you decide to ff later , might only be more efficient. Smoother so to speak.
Hi Stonnie, I’m curious, I’ve been watching videos on retriever training because I’m currently boarding a year old black lab whose owners force fetch train their dog. They say he has had a lot of retriever training. Yet, my 16 month old standard poodle does a far superior fetch, hold and drop, with almost no training in that area. She fetched and returned from the day we brought her home at 10 weeks and gave the ball back without being asked. She’s returned anything I’ve thrown for her. Whatever the material. I thought it was basically instinct and never really thought much of it. She will do this for hours without fail. She might stop to potty or check out dogs being walked, but will get right back to it. After watching some training videos, I starting to think this is actually rather unusual. Or am I missing something?
You’re wrong, Stonnie! There is value in showing a dog making mistakes, it doesn’t make boring video! Why not show a dog dropping the dummy, chewing on it and making all the biginners mistakes?
Anyway, you’re such a great traineer and inspiration!
larry andrews Name something that I am wrong about. I would love to host a video of you demonstrating all the things that I do wrong. Please make that video tomorrow morning so I can post it tomorrow afternoon. Put your money where your keyboard is, as the old saying goes.
@larry andrews The only thing Stonnie is wrong about is that Labs are the best dogs. That privilege belongs to the German Shepherd as they can do anything if taught properly. A Lab has restrictions in certain regards. Labs are easy going by nature which means there temperament is pretty balanced but an easy dog to train does not mean that it's the best. Just put effort into a GSD from a young age and see the results. Some argue that a Malinois is better but then you must be prepared to give up your beauty sleep.
@larry andrews it isn't bullshit. A shock collar is for lazy people. There is only a handful of dogs that require such measures and those are the dogs that are extremely aggressive, reactive etc and are on the verge of being pts because they are uncontrollable. A collar does not define training. Every dog is different and requires a specific method. Cruelty comes from individuals such as yourself who do not consider a dogs potential, realistic levels of performance etc. Did you go to a school where every child achieved the same results? So don't throw dumb comments around.
I think this guy is just a troll trying to get a reaction..
@Lisa Parker defend all you want but it's lazy
My dog doesn’t show any interest in tug, retrieving, or really any drive for toys. He is a rescue dog (Mastiff/Boxer mix) and didn’t learn to play before I got him. Any tips for trying to teach him these things and build drive for toys?
Great video as always Stonnie.
Any chance you could at some point do a video on methods you use to build drive and speed for a dog that's a bit sluggish and shows a lack of impetus running out and back for a retrieve.
...eg. the black lab in this video who doesn't seem particularly sharp on the retrieve (I know he's young, but even at 10 months if he's not living for the dummy at this point then how do you get him there?).
I know we all have different methods, but personally I don't worry about any kind of perfect delivery in the slightest until the dog is sprinting out as fast as they can muster for the retrieve and getting back with just as much gusto. I'd tend to believe that fussing over the minutia of the delivery too early hugely suppresses the drive & desire for bringing the dummy back.
I'd be interested to know how your methodology differs from that mindset and how you go about working on the delivery first then the drive rather than the other way around.
Well, that’s a few different questions combined.
First, what to do if the pup has marginal drive?
1. Set realistic goals
2. Be sure to properly manage energy levels
3. Schedule multiple, daily, low repetition sessions
4. Very Gradually add distance, distraction, and complexity
5. Be calm, patient, and persistent
As far as that particular dog not looking like he has tons of drive, nothing could be further from the truth.
That dog had been up since day break running around, playing, doing obedience exercises with little children etc...
The simplest trick in the world is to confine dogs and only let them out to do an activity. It gives an artificial sense of desire. Although I will admit that it is a valid strategy for making dogs look good on TH-cam, it does not provide an accurate representation of most dog’s actual lifestyles.
Why do you think dogs spend all day in a box when they are at competitions.
larry andrews That’s obviously not true or they would call them chasers, not retrievers. Dude, you are going to have to step your troll game up in you want to post on my channel.
@larry andrews Why would I block you from my channel? I never block trolls unless their posts contain a lot of cursing or otherwise unsuitable content. I don't want to get rid of you, I want to feature your content. Get to videoing today so we can all see your expertise in action.
Great video! But we actually want to see when things don't go as planned, and what to do when that happens!
You should watch the other videos in the series. Honestly, if you plan right and focus on incremental progress, there's not much to go wrong. But if something does go wrong, we usually just wrap it up and back up a step or two, the next session.
larry andrews Be serious for just a second. If I am an idiot, what does that make you? I’m actually very interested in aiding your attempt to show the flaws in this system. Just as soon as you make a video, I will post it right her on my channel for the whole world to see.
As far as things going wrong, with this style the only thing that really happens when things go wrong is that you end the session then back up a step or two in training for the next session. If you actually knew anything at all about training you wouldn’t be making dumb statements.
This is the method that I use at my kennel and in my online course. How can I hide something when it’s being taught in person? Are you sure you took all your meds tonight?
@@StonnieDennis Thanks for the reply Stonnie! Really helpful. The conclusion is to just go back one step and try again until the dog figures it out. Patience is key! (Oh, and ignore these negative people!)
@larry andrews Within five years, every top professional field trial kennel will be doing some version of this methodology or they will have to close their doors. It's not just me doing it, it's all the hardcore novices and that's who determines the market options.
At what point do you change from the dummy to a hard plastic db. Have been working on holding the plastic db and after watching your video today, went out and threw the dummy on the back porch and he sorta delivered to hand for the first time. Do I wait until he is fairly good with the dummy before moving up?
ps. have an Aussie and have been doing all work so far clicker training.
I'm sure there are lots of different training progressions. I start with the plastic barbell super early. I have a few different videos on this retrieving method. You should check them out.
@larry andrews That's awesome. Do you mind sharing some videos?
Hello Stonie,
Again greetings from Serbia😊
I am your fan enjoying marvellous job you are doing.
But I got favour to ask:
Would you mind addressing the health issue of labrador retrievers?I got 7month old male called Max and am devastated finding that he's got real problems with elbow and hip(left side only).This is my first dog and I nurtured him like a baby.I am sooo sad.Tomorrow we are doing x rays.He is limping badly and is not able to walk more than 100m without laying down to rest.help😣
Dang, that's awful. I'm so sorry. What does the radiograph tell you?
Hey,
I came across your comment, My 9 month old lab too has a hip Displasia, it’s a very common problem for the breed.
What I can tell you is that,(depending on the severity) you can manage the issue with proper nutrition; omega-3 rich foods and vitamins that promote bone health, also exercising.Mine has been healthy for the last couple of months, knock on wood. Good luck.
Stonnie Dennis Thanks for replying Stonie😊.The results show hip dysplasia and elbow anomalia.Our vet was kind enough to contact some famious professor at Belgrade Veterinarian University and got reply that this young lab needs some time plus of course,vitamin therapy,love,exercise, healthy nutrition.I was so devastated but managed to get on my feet again and give him abundantly all that I got.I believe that he will have a life that he deserves,with a litle help of calcium and clucosamine,vit c and complex vit b.
I would appreciate any advice ...thanks in advance
Jaka Kuskun I would be anxious to see the the xrays and the specific treatment protocol. Email that to me if you don’t mind.
Honestly, the closest thing to force i have ever had to use was body blocking. That's it. You can get a dog to WANT to do anything without actually forcing them. Never had a problem with it.
What if they find it and not bring it back? What if they keep trying to grab it back from you?
Then you need to back up a bit to a point where the pup is successful. I have quite a few videos on this style.
larry andrews Why don’t you make a quick video showing that technique? I’ll post it as soon as you send it.
Where can I find a video of someone demonstrating how to properly apply the force fetching method? The only people I've seen teaching via force fetching, have left me wondering why anyone would choose to use it with their dog...
Aaaww! I have a 10 month old black lab. 😁
Awesome!
How about showing inductive with a dog that refuses to pick up ?
If I had dog that didn’t have any retrieving drive, I would find something else for him to do and then I would buy one that liked to fetch.
I agree, now if you could just convince dog owners, especially who think their is the greatest, would greatly appreciate. Actually had one that didn’t even care about live birds, but that owner swore he’d hunt. Labrador retrievers that won’t retrieve are becoming more common.
Stonnie sounds like the smartest man in Kentucky
Hey Larry, the last time you were on here you promised to make us all a force fetching instructional. Now, I hate to call a man a liar, but we haven't seen much in the way of content. Do you have that link available?
@larry andrews Yes, we want live updates! I especially want to see the part where you got rope burn. I'm scratching my head trying to figure that out.
I wish I could be paid to pet Labrador Retrievers!
Why is he no name .... he hats like having a name .