Contracts are legally binding. Considering the situation WAZZU and Oregon State are in, they have every right to receive any and all money which is theirs by contract.
"Fraudulent league"? Oregon State and Washington State have done nothing wrong in this whole situation. If they have played by the rules, and the rules give the Pac-12 rump a 2 year grace period, I say the two schools deserve any strange perks they get. More power to them!
Depressed’s dreaming of stringent enforcement of NCAA membership rules is humorous when considering how many schools could have been dropped from FBS to FCS over the last 25 years. A lot of schools failed the eye test, but somewhere up the line, even the NCAA knew they’d lose a lawsuit based on some rule the Power conferences forced on everyone. Since the NCAA has been rendered even more feckless now, expect a wide latitude with Oregon State and Washington State.
The rules are the rules and if OSU and WSU can get the windfall of money they need to take it. They know if the join the MWC their revenue is going to drop by alot, so why not to keep the PAC12 around for two years and collect 70 million per schools for next two years because of the PAC 12 P5 payout. Now that they are the only 2 schools, they can fire the commissioner.
@@EyeOfTheWatcher Fire the commish too soon and you’ll be paying him most of those credits in the buyout. Since Oregon is apparently primarily responsible for George Kliavkoff being hired, you can imagine Oregon State’s collective emotions on this matter.
@@PCSPounderwouldn’t there be some sort of force majeure clause that would allow them to fire him with cause for his gross incompetence which led to the situation which materially damaged them and not have to pay or at very least greatly reduce the buyout?
OSU/WSU did nothing wrong and are the last teams left, so they deserve everything. If that grace period is real then both these schools deserve every dollar and every benefit they can get.
When a company goes bankrupt they are still due money owed to them. Same applies here. OSU/WSU should go independent for 2 years. Get all the money, then join MW. Certainly makes sense to me.
It's no so much about punishing those 2 campuses, but at best they are mid-level teams even in the Pac-12. And once all the others leave, there is no way that they should be able to get all that money by themselves--they simply don't deserve it. The right thing for them to do is to find another conference to join, but no other "power conference" wants them. 😕
Folks against Oregon State and Washington State taking the money and all the rights.... remember this.... The other teams walked away from these benefits. They are choosing to travel across country most of their seasons for all sports. The other leagues aren't powerless in all of this, the BIG12 or BIG10 could just invite OSU and WSU and another at large playoff bid just poofs into existence. Don't pretend like the other leagues are powerless in all of this.
As an Oregon State fan, the school needs the money badly. They just demolished half of Reser Stadium for huge renovations and a new athletic facility that cost $160 million. They owe millions in bonds and that has to be paid back, and the $6 million MWC salary isn’t gonna cut it. OSU and WSU didn’t do anything to deserve being cut off from the rest of the PAC other than be in less desirable markets. And to top it off the beavers are on the rise; winning 10 games last season for the first time in YEARS, winning a bowl game, and finishing top 20 is a serious step up from where they were even 3 years ago. Coach Smith has the team in a good place and they can’t afford losing him and his coaching staff, with the players soon to follow.
Oregon State is the first university I ever visited in my life, and I hold them especially dear. It hurts my heart what has happened to the Pac and especially to the Beavs and Wazzu (that for no good reason (money?) doesn't have a softball program).
U keep saying there’s no way they can get the money but this is in place to keep from what happened happening but it still happened. Fuck all the other schools that left and let wazzu and osu cash in the checks.
I believe the reason for the 2 year grace period is to get a conference a chance to rebuild itself. If I was OSU and WSU I would enter into to a schedule alliance with the MWC and keep that PAC12 around for those 2 years in order to collect that P5 money. The only question is what reason would MWC do a schedule alliance with them, so OSU and WSU might have to promise to join MWC in two years time.
I don’t know the rules regarding power 5 status but if Oregon and Washington state just has to get 8 teams before the two year deadline to stay a power 5 conference than they could do it!
Why you being a hater DG? It's not their fault and if the contracts a binding, let them have the money. And then calling them bottom feeders? I don't know what the NW schools did to you, but WSU and OSU have been mid teir consistenly in the division with both recently competing for championships.
Don't be surprised if there is no clause that keeps OSU and WSU from getting that revenue. These contracts were put in place at a time when nobody thought that a Power 5 conference would go defunct. Stranger things have happened - the family that used to own the now defunct Spirts of St. Louis basketball team is STILL getting revenue from the four remaining ABA teams that were absorbed into the the NBA (Spurs, Nuggets, Nets and Pacers). College football is all about money and OSU and WSU should use their leverage to get every dollar they are contractually entitled too. No point in talking about "fair" or "playing nice" now.
Honestly, I hope that Oregon State and Washington State go through with that crazy plan just to stick it to the current system that created this mess in the first place.
@@richardtruong2023There apparently is talk for a scheduling agreement with the MWC. MWC has a deal with CBS still. Lets not also forget WSU/OSU still have the Pac-12 Network to use for broadcasting against lower tier teams. If they can get a few non-con power teams and maybe ND on the schedule they could convince recruits that it’s still a great option vs other G5 schools in the short term.
The two-year grace period is for what happen with the conferences like the conference USA just a few months ago. The American poached a bunch of the conference USA schools and the conference was down to five teams. They have started to rebuild the conference and it’s back up to nine teams now with a tent joining next year.
Rules are rules. the NCAA would look very bad if they tried to changer rules simply because something they don't like is happening. OSU and WSU should not be punished for the rest of the teams bolting. The NCAA set the rules, they need to abide by them.
I agree with almost all the comments on this matter. In the sake of saving the conference and making it make sense (given the name of Pac) San Diego St, San Jose St, Fresno St. and Hawaii should join, and the Pac 6 would be a new beginning, all while maintaining their power 5 status. This would be amazing for the recruitment in those programs. I'm saying this as a soon to be former UCLA fan (starting 2024)
@SamWesting I hope not, but it wasn't about snubbing anyone (read my post again). However, Boise St. plus BYU would be a great follow-up move and a way to bounce back....
@@NiceHandTickNobody's crying except for those schools. I have no issue with OSU fans. Wsu fans on the other hand are seeing the lie that they've always told themselves disintegrate before their eyes. That lie being that they were "just as good as all the other pac12 schools". Fact is, they should try to join the mountain west. That is where they belong. Everyone in the pac12 always humored them and let them run their mouths. Plenty of people just don't see a point in doing that anymore.
You mean P4 not P5. Anyway, the reason the P4s don't want Oregon State is TV market. P4s always look at how much new TV money a school can bring to their conference when deciding whether or not to invite that school. You are not the only person who thinks P4s invite schools based on football performance alone. But no, it's based on money first and foremost. This channel might not be the best one for educating yourself on how realignment works.
It's a good thing to me that In the end after all the realignment we have 8 new power 5/4 programs and btw Go back 1 year would anyone consider tulane a good athletic program?
Florida state literally cannot leave next off-season. The soonest they could leave is 2025. You’ve said this multiple times in multiple videos and somehow you still don’t know the facts.
The entire realignment situation is an exercise in pure greed and the 2 remaining schools should get the money. TV money will ruin the most interesting aspect of college athletics which is conference and regional rivalries.
Honestly the biggest regional rivalries are still intact. Washington-oregon, Usc- Ucla, Arizona- Arizona state, Cal-Stanford. Washington and oregon have always hated eachother far more that their in state rivals. The civil war is a joke most years, and the apple cup is the same. Cant speak for oregon fans and the civil war, but a lot of Washington fans just look at the apple cup as a chance to beat up on the little bro who likes to run his mouth and cant back it up.
Oregon State and Washington State stays in the Pac 2 for two years but play Mountain West teams during this period just to suck up all of the money frim this Power 5? conference. Then they end up on the Mountain West with more money than the rest of the conference.
I think WSU and OSU can use this as a leverage against the NCAA on the rules that stands right now! Get WSU and OSU into a P5 conferences! If not? Go forward with the NCAA rules that gives them 2-year grace period!
I don't know and neither does anyone know how this will play out. It's all speculation but the Presidents and the AD's of OSU and WSU are not stupid people and they will come up with answers. The only comment I want to make is that those of you calling WSU and OSU bottom feeders obviously know nothing about these 2 schools. I don't know any bottom feeders who went 10-3 last year with a win over Oregon as OSU did. I don't know many bottom feeders that get ranked 18th in the nation in the preseason polls. And WSU has had their share of outstanding years also. How about 3 national championships for Oregon State Baseball in the 2000's. How about a trip to the elite 8 a few years ago and I haven't even mentioned their womens basketball which has been a national power in recent years. But yeah they are bottom feeders. And finally to those who say they arent any better than the MW teams, take a look at their records vs. Mt West teams in recent years. Actually don't waste your time - it won't be anything you are hoping for.
OSU could very well build a pretty successful program. Corvallis isn't in the middle of nowhere. WSU on the other hand is never going to reach particularly high heights. Pullman straight up sucks. They are a program comparable to boise state. They could do really well in the mountain west. Everyone in the pac 12 humored them for years. Fact is, they never belonged with the big dogs.
Merge with the Mountain West Conference and call it the Mountain Pacific Conference. ( I know there is already a Mountain Pacific Federaltion that would complain about this.) Still this is better than just jointing the MT West.
You would be better off discussing topics you understand. WSU and OSU are better than most of the teams that left the conference. If they go to the Mountain West they will have to disband their sports programs because it is not enough money to support their athletics. Stalling sounds like a great idea for each of them. There will be an opportunity for quality programs like these.
😂 wsu and Osu are not better programs than the ones who left. Statistically wsu has the least successful history in the entire conference. I feel bad for Osu. But, as far as i'm concerned, wsu never even belonged in a power 5 to begin with.
@@paperdoWSU actually has a better historically record then OSU fyi. But who cares. Since the Pac-12 expanded to 12, WSU has been in the top half of schools. Who cares what teams did 40 years ago, now is all that matters.
@@devanwilliams1127 I was wrong about osu. They were negligibly worse than wsu in the pac 12 era. It is a bigger school in a way better location than wsu tho (there's potential). Having a few good years at the right time does not make wsu a succsesful football program. Leach was practically ran out of town, and they immediately fell back to the basement as soon as he left. Even at their peak they haven't been good enough to reach a conference championship. Sure, there are a lot of habitually mediocre teams that got out (Cal, and Asu for example). There are even fellow bottom feeders who escaped (Az). At the end of the day it doesn't change the fact that wsu will only ever be a bottom feeder in a p5. They don't have the money, location, prestige, history, facilities, alumni connections, etcetc to do more. They belong in a mountain west type conference. I will admit that they have done a very good job with what they have had to work with, especially when Leach was there. However, imagine how much better they could have done if they didn't get cannibalised in the pac 12 every year.
@@paperdo OSU a way bigger school? Both schools are practically the same bro, thats why we are in this mess. It is a better location compared to Pullman but thats not a hard feat. Leach ran out of town? Alright man, you don’t know what the hell you were talking about. Leach left for more money and a school closer to Florida where he lived fulltime. None of that matters anymore obviously. And WSU has had 3 seasons since leach left. They went 1-3 in a Covid shortened year and have been bowl teams the last two seasons following and look like a bowl team again this year. Do you know how bad Colorado, Cal, and Arizona have been the last decade? You seem to have a problem with WSU which is weird. WSU fans are well aware it’s a smaller school that doesn’t get the same funding as the bigger P5 schools but we still spend more then the G5. MWC will be fine competition wise but will have downstream affects on funding.
@@devanwilliams1127 I didn't say way bigger, I said way better location. Plus, 10,000 more students is quite a bit. Additionally, I did acknowledge that they are similar. As far as Leach goes, I am surrounded by cougar fans. Not a single one of them wanted Leach anymore. They were all stoked when he left. He was unwelcome. He couldn't win an apple cup. The other reasons that you listed are completely valid. But decisions are usually made due to a multitude of reasons. Making it to a bowl game is not impressive. Last year is a great example. They made it to a bowl with a losing conference record last year, and they barely had a winning record the year before. Not to mention, they lost both games against teams from conferences that they are supposedly too good for. No, I don't have a problem with wazzu as a school or team. I would be lying if I didn't acknowledge that a lot of their fans annoy the snot out of me tho. I'm just done pretending with their fans at this point. I wish the pac 12 had survived. Fact is it didn't. Cal has always been the face of mediocrity but not typically downright bad. And it is a california school. This matters when california is a national recruiting hotspot. Colorado has at least gone to a conference championship, has a solid history, and is a media darling right now, unlike like wazzu. I fully acknowledge that Arizona is a bottom feeder in football. They have had some pretty good basketball teams tho. Wsu has more delusional and insufferable fans than any other school in the pac 12. Sure oregon has fans that are more insufferable, but Wsu gets the combo. I actually do sincerely hope the program lands on its feet. They have a tradition of making something out of nothing. I can acknowledge that. They had really impressive programs under Leach and Price. I'm just not going to pretend that they are too good for the mountain west unlike a lot of the Wsu fans that I know. We can definitely agree that they are too good for any of the G5 conferences. They are a state university after all. There are a lot of schools who are getting absolutely effed financially by this conference realignment. The whole situation is downright wrong. Unfortunately Wsu gets hurt too.
If I were the Cougs/Beavs and there was some sort of necessity to have a certain number of teams in the conference to collect all the credits, I would stick my thumb in the eyes of everybody telling me “what I should do” by inviting the top 4 FCS teams in the West and like 4 C-USA teams on the condition that none of the new teams receive any of the shares of the fossil PAC money and just create a two Snow Whites and seven or however many dwarfs conference. Get all that money coming to them and enable themselves to keep spending up so that they don’t UConnize before the ACC comes a calling in 5-10 years once they’ve lost enough teams to need them.
Its hilarious how people keep saying the pac 12 has access and status. It most definitely doesn't. That's why it's fell apart. Greed and ESPN destroyed it.
They deserve the money everyone bailed and left the money behind and nobody wanted them so they should give everyone the big finger and take the money. PS I am a Buckeye's fan so no skin in either of these teams.
It’s not a flaw it’s put there on purpose to give teams in the power 5 the ability to stay in privilege. There is a reason why there is the word privileged.
It’s 2023 we don’t need media deals any longer. We just need a subscription and make our own network. ESPN ruined rivalries that have brought fans together over a 100 years. You can’t get that back. They won’t be able to recreate it. Fans and students are not going to travel well. In years to come, when the stadiums are bare and networks are not living up to the hype. I think they will define this moment as the biggest mistake in college football.
Bro how many teams in the other power leagues are going to be looking at this saying yeah let's hold that Leverage. Every team in the ACC not named Florida State and Clemson will cheer for this. Every team in the Big 12 will cheer for this. This is totally going to happen
Still not understanding what the SEC has to gain by adding FSU and Clemson? Small TV markets (which there already in) and they don't add much outside of football, which if we're being honest there only a mid-tier SEC team.
Yes the pac-12 is dead. But Mountain West commissioner I heard her doing a radio interview. Gloria Nevarez. It's kind of an emotional decision for her to add the pac name somehow to her conference. Because she got a got her undergrad degree at San Jose State. But got her law degree at Stanford.
But CAL is getting an extra $10 mill a year from UCLA, the problem for Wazzou and Oregon St because their not gonna be on TV, who wants to go to a program with no one in your conference, so u can see those programs not look good at any p5 conference like the Big 12
Their is no standing TV deal but the Pac-12 still owns the Pac-12 network and if they get a scheduling agreement with the MWC, CBS could add a kicker to broadcast those games too. For OOC games those are bid on by the networks so WSU and OSU can still find a way to be on TV.
This is CLASSIC! MWC is close to ending current media deal and AAC schools can leave for only 8 Milion each if you wait 27 months. You could do those schools and pull it off.
Word on the street, to PAC: Phase 1: Memphis, Tulane, Rice, UMass(FB), UConn(FB), Gonzaga, St. Mary's Phase 2: SDSU, Fresno, Boise St. 10 schools for FB and 10 schools for BB
So if a league is down to two teams, they should have to forfeit their power five status. That’s redonkulous. Though I think the old PAC 12 schools should have to donate some of their monies back to the last two teams for a few years. At this point the AAC and MW should join together. Form East and West divisions. And jettison some of the lower teams.
Did you just call Oregon St & Washington State the two "Bottom Feeders?" These are two of the Best Programs in The Pac-12. Dude this isn't the 1970's. Go check your Stats Dude. Every single year at least one if not both of these are Ranked in The Top-25.
Pac 12 / mountain west merger coming.. cbs sports, apple tv will work out a streaming / linear contract. Pacific west conference.. 2 year grace period.. will get mountain west linear deal.. add Appletv deal.. 30mil per year.. for all teams involved.
You talk about laws - this whole conference cannibalising thing should be outlawed. As Far as I"m concerned there is the midwest, southeast, Texas, eastern spillover, and the West Coast. 5 power conferences fits so perfectly. If it was going to go to 4 conferences it really should be the ACC going away and everyone filtering to the SEC, BIG or Big 12. West Coast college sports are now completely weird and meaningless to me. Screw you TV networks, greedy presidents and the NCAA
During the Oregon State game, they brought on the commissioner of the Mountain West and she invited Oregon State and Washington State to join them, and said "hey, we got good TV money!".
Add the University of British Columbia to the pac 12. Not only does it make sense geographically. It’s Canadas top football program and their athletic budget is much bigger than the beavers or the cougars. I don’t see why they can’t. UBC to the pac 12
This whole college football realignment is really getting weird and delusional for the almighty dollar so my team is better than yours. This is the New World Order of college athletics. It is not over yet.
I’m so glad I quit college football. I am done with these money hungry universities. I did not watch a single game this week and I will not watch a single this year or ever. My days of watching college football are over. The entire sport should be put out of its misery. I don’t care about any college sports anymore
@@JoshuaJohnsOfficalChannel Big-12 and AAC don't want them. Big-10 neither. MWC might snub them off as well. Oregon St. and WSU aren't in major urban or suburban areas. Neither screams title-winning acumen or fertile recruiting grounds. OrSt. and WSU thought they would piggyback Oregon and Washington or at least Stanford and Cal and that obviously backfired. I doubt Mountain West will wait two years to add those marginal programs. They might try to secure or gobble up other programs to where they won't desire the spoiled brats.
Washington State and Oregon State could play each other 11 times each year and then meet in the PAC-2 Championship game at the end of the season.
...and then the winner goes to the Rose Bowl!
Lol
Lmaooo facts
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Great way to cut down on travel costs
Contracts are legally binding. Considering the situation WAZZU and Oregon State are in, they have every right to receive any and all money which is theirs by contract.
Go Beavs!!!
yes
I’m a USC supporter and wouldn’t be more happy to see Oregon St or Wazzu get some money, rose bowl spot, and a spot in the 12 team on a technicality.
"Fraudulent league"? Oregon State and Washington State have done nothing wrong in this whole situation. If they have played by the rules, and the rules give the Pac-12 rump a 2 year grace period, I say the two schools deserve any strange perks they get. More power to them!
Should at least get the $$$ owed the PAC 12 while maybe not non financial items.
Depressed’s dreaming of stringent enforcement of NCAA membership rules is humorous when considering how many schools could have been dropped from FBS to FCS over the last 25 years. A lot of schools failed the eye test, but somewhere up the line, even the NCAA knew they’d lose a lawsuit based on some rule the Power conferences forced on everyone.
Since the NCAA has been rendered even more feckless now, expect a wide latitude with Oregon State and Washington State.
The rules are the rules and if OSU and WSU can get the windfall of money they need to take it. They know if the join the MWC their revenue is going to drop by alot, so why not to keep the PAC12 around for two years and collect 70 million per schools for next two years because of the PAC 12 P5 payout. Now that they are the only 2 schools, they can fire the commissioner.
@@EyeOfTheWatcher Fire the commish too soon and you’ll be paying him most of those credits in the buyout.
Since Oregon is apparently primarily responsible for George Kliavkoff being hired, you can imagine Oregon State’s collective emotions on this matter.
@@PCSPounderwouldn’t there be some sort of force majeure clause that would allow them to fire him with cause for his gross incompetence which led to the situation which materially damaged them and not have to pay or at very least greatly reduce the buyout?
OSU/WSU did nothing wrong and are the last teams left, so they deserve everything. If that grace period is real then both these schools deserve every dollar and every benefit they can get.
When a company goes bankrupt they are still due money owed to them. Same applies here. OSU/WSU should go independent for 2 years. Get all the money, then join MW. Certainly makes sense to me.
But it won’t help attracting any P5 Conferences and recruits then they will suck, then why would MWC even want them.
LOL... I don't think you understand how bankruptcy works. If a company goes bankrupt, it's because THEY owe others money--a LOT of it! 😮😆😎
@richardtruong2023 Because they are bigger programs, then the MWC.
All the power to the Pac2 schools. The law is in your favor!!! $$$ schools!!! Go, Bevers and Cougs!!!
I don’t understand why you want WSU and OSU to be punished when this situation isn’t of their making.
WSU is in deep debt from poor management. Plus both OSU and WSU are in media markets that no one wants or makes enough
It's no so much about punishing those 2 campuses, but at best they are mid-level teams even in the Pac-12. And once all the others leave, there is no way that they should be able to get all that money by themselves--they simply don't deserve it. The right thing for them to do is to find another conference to join, but no other "power conference" wants them. 😕
@@alakbar7870then what are they going to do? Independent?
@@alakbar7870 MID LEVEL TEAMS? #12 in the country. We have thousands of fans. We deserve that money.
Folks against Oregon State and Washington State taking the money and all the rights.... remember this.... The other teams walked away from these benefits. They are choosing to travel across country most of their seasons for all sports. The other leagues aren't powerless in all of this, the BIG12 or BIG10 could just invite OSU and WSU and another at large playoff bid just poofs into existence. Don't pretend like the other leagues are powerless in all of this.
As an Oregon State fan, the school needs the money badly. They just demolished half of Reser Stadium for huge renovations and a new athletic facility that cost $160 million. They owe millions in bonds and that has to be paid back, and the $6 million MWC salary isn’t gonna cut it. OSU and WSU didn’t do anything to deserve being cut off from the rest of the PAC other than be in less desirable markets. And to top it off the beavers are on the rise; winning 10 games last season for the first time in YEARS, winning a bowl game, and finishing top 20 is a serious step up from where they were even 3 years ago. Coach Smith has the team in a good place and they can’t afford losing him and his coaching staff, with the players soon to follow.
As a member of a 4 generation beaver family, we appreciate you man. I love this comment!
Oregon State is the first university I ever visited in my life, and I hold them especially dear. It hurts my heart what has happened to the Pac and especially to the Beavs and Wazzu (that for no good reason (money?) doesn't have a softball program).
U keep saying there’s no way they can get the money but this is in place to keep from what happened happening but it still happened. Fuck all the other schools that left and let wazzu and osu cash in the checks.
I believe the reason for the 2 year grace period is to get a conference a chance to rebuild itself. If I was OSU and WSU I would enter into to a schedule alliance with the MWC and keep that PAC12 around for those 2 years in order to collect that P5 money. The only question is what reason would MWC do a schedule alliance with them, so OSU and WSU might have to promise to join MWC in two years time.
In addition, OSU and Wassu can schedule a home and home and a championship game to take care of 3 games.
THIS^^^^^^^ My thoughts exactly!
Can’t have a championship game if less than 12 games
I don’t know the rules regarding power 5 status but if Oregon and Washington state just has to get 8 teams before the two year deadline to stay a power 5 conference than they could do it!
@@dl-ce3sothat doesn’t even make sense
Why you being a hater DG? It's not their fault and if the contracts a binding, let them have the money. And then calling them bottom feeders? I don't know what the NW schools did to you, but WSU and OSU have been mid teir consistenly in the division with both recently competing for championships.
Don't be surprised if there is no clause that keeps OSU and WSU from getting that revenue. These contracts were put in place at a time when nobody thought that a Power 5 conference would go defunct. Stranger things have happened - the family that used to own the now defunct Spirts of St. Louis basketball team is STILL getting revenue from the four remaining ABA teams that were absorbed into the the NBA (Spurs, Nuggets, Nets and Pacers). College football is all about money and OSU and WSU should use their leverage to get every dollar they are contractually entitled too. No point in talking about "fair" or "playing nice" now.
Hilarious that OS and WS retain the assets and status of the PAC12. I look forward to seeing one of them in the Rose Bowl.
Looking forward to Fresno in the Rose Bowl!😊
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Honestly, I hope that Oregon State and Washington State go through with that crazy plan just to stick it to the current system that created this mess in the first place.
And hope recruits still wanna play where they might not be on TV
@richardtruong2023 probably a better alternative than joining the Mountain West for circus peanuts.
@@richardtruong2023There apparently is talk for a scheduling agreement with the MWC. MWC has a deal with CBS still. Lets not also forget WSU/OSU still have the Pac-12 Network to use for broadcasting against lower tier teams. If they can get a few non-con power teams and maybe ND on the schedule they could convince recruits that it’s still a great option vs other G5 schools in the short term.
The two-year grace period is for what happen with the conferences like the conference USA just a few months ago. The American poached a bunch of the conference USA schools and the conference was down to five teams. They have started to rebuild the conference and it’s back up to nine teams now with a tent joining next year.
Rules are rules. the NCAA would look very bad if they tried to changer rules simply because something they don't like is happening. OSU and WSU should not be punished for the rest of the teams bolting. The NCAA set the rules, they need to abide by them.
Then where will they get money to send their student athletes to Olympics and others
So that $90 mill is gonna drop after travel expenses between those 2 schools
Theoretically next year would the Washington state vs Oregon state winner get auto bid
I love how everyone in the comments is shitting on this guy for wanting OSU/WSU to basically be punished for being left behind. lmao
I agree with almost all the comments on this matter. In the sake of saving the conference and making it make sense (given the name of Pac) San Diego St, San Jose St, Fresno St. and Hawaii should join, and the Pac 6 would be a new beginning, all while maintaining their power 5 status. This would be amazing for the recruitment in those programs.
I'm saying this as a soon to be former UCLA fan (starting 2024)
You think this new PAC whatever conference would take Hawaii & snub Boise St.? LOL!
@SamWesting I hope not, but it wasn't about snubbing anyone (read my post again). However, Boise St. plus BYU would be a great follow-up move and a way to bounce back....
@@tinog.6806BYU just joined the big 12. They would never leave for a new PAC
Go OSU and WSU!
The two year grace period was created when they envisioned a conference dropping to 7 members. No one ever imagined something like this happening.
I think Oregon State and Washington state are looking pretty good in a huge lawsuit
Orange state and Washington state are both trash team's. You act like there Ohio state Alabama or USC
All angles should be explored.
@@paulrodriguez6054 crybaby much?
@@NiceHandTickNobody's crying except for those schools. I have no issue with OSU fans. Wsu fans on the other hand are seeing the lie that they've always told themselves disintegrate before their eyes. That lie being that they were "just as good as all the other pac12 schools". Fact is, they should try to join the mountain west. That is where they belong. Everyone in the pac12 always humored them and let them run their mouths. Plenty of people just don't see a point in doing that anymore.
CAL and Stanford wont be in the ACC for 10 years. They are counting on other options popping up long before then.
The B1G will take them along with North Carolina,Virginia,Notre Dame,and Miami when the ACC implodes.
sports hypergamy lol
More power to them!!! ✊🐈⬛🦫#2pacLives!!! #HollaIfYaHearMe
You called Oregon State a bottom feeder, lol. What bottom feeder gets ranked #18? Look up their 2022 W-L record.
I agree with you. The bottom feeders already left for ACC.
Then why doesn’t anyone want them in p5
Alignment is going to change, Rose Bowl will be used by the Big 10
You mean P4 not P5. Anyway, the reason the P4s don't want Oregon State is TV market. P4s always look at how much new TV money a school can bring to their conference when deciding whether or not to invite that school. You are not the only person who thinks P4s invite schools based on football performance alone. But no, it's based on money first and foremost. This channel might not be the best one for educating yourself on how realignment works.
No big urban tv audience, money period
Washington St and Oregon St can now invite the entire Mountain West to join the PAC-12 and keep the Mountain West TV deal
join their mw in two years, take the cash!!
It's a good thing to me that In the end after all the realignment we have 8 new power 5/4 programs and btw Go back 1 year would anyone consider tulane a good athletic program?
The rest of the conferences will figure out a way to hold the money up until they drain the Pac 2 budgets. Standard legal bs.
I hope it works for OSU & WSU then in two years move to the Big12.
great move
The AAC needs to add a west wing and the ACC needs to add another California school as travel relief for Stanford and Cal
Florida state literally cannot leave next off-season. The soonest they could leave is 2025. You’ve said this multiple times in multiple videos and somehow you still don’t know the facts.
I think he means that they are announcing they are leaving next offseason they will leave which is still unlikely in my opinion
Wsu and osu got corn holed. Love it if they get paid like a baller. Let them ride the gravy for 2 years. Do it!! Lmao
The entire realignment situation is an exercise in pure greed and the 2 remaining schools should get the money. TV money will ruin the most interesting aspect of college athletics which is conference and regional rivalries.
Honestly the biggest regional rivalries are still intact. Washington-oregon, Usc- Ucla, Arizona- Arizona state, Cal-Stanford. Washington and oregon have always hated eachother far more that their in state rivals. The civil war is a joke most years, and the apple cup is the same. Cant speak for oregon fans and the civil war, but a lot of Washington fans just look at the apple cup as a chance to beat up on the little bro who likes to run his mouth and cant back it up.
WSU and OSU. On the second year, they can buy their way in the second year somewhere with all that money 💰 $$$.
How many MWC teams would turn down the new name with PAC in it next year?
This can open up smaller universities to a chance to join a conference.
Oregon State and Washington State stays in the Pac 2 for two years but play Mountain West teams during this period just to suck up all of the money frim this Power 5? conference. Then they end up on the Mountain West with more money than the rest of the conference.
They will "join" the mountain west but it will become the PAC purely for branding.
I think WSU and OSU can use this as a leverage against the NCAA on the rules that stands right now! Get WSU and OSU into a P5 conferences! If not? Go forward with the NCAA rules that gives them 2-year grace period!
I don't know and neither does anyone know how this will play out. It's all speculation but the Presidents and the AD's of OSU and WSU are not stupid people and they will come up with answers. The only comment I want to make is that those of you calling WSU and OSU bottom feeders obviously know nothing about these 2 schools. I don't know any bottom feeders who went 10-3 last year with a win over Oregon as OSU did. I don't know many bottom feeders that get ranked 18th in the nation in the preseason polls. And WSU has had their share of outstanding years also. How about 3 national championships for Oregon State Baseball in the 2000's. How about a trip to the elite 8 a few years ago and I haven't even mentioned their womens basketball which has been a national power in recent years. But yeah they are bottom feeders. And finally to those who say they arent any better than the MW teams, take a look at their records vs. Mt West teams in recent years. Actually don't waste your time - it won't be anything you are hoping for.
OSU could very well build a pretty successful program. Corvallis isn't in the middle of nowhere. WSU on the other hand is never going to reach particularly high heights. Pullman straight up sucks. They are a program comparable to boise state. They could do really well in the mountain west. Everyone in the pac 12 humored them for years. Fact is, they never belonged with the big dogs.
You are talking out of emotions. If the contract allows it, the. It is good.
yup more logic needs to be involved it's all about 💵💵💵💵💵💵
They'll pull in teams before that two year mark
With that pac 12 commish, I don’t think so, he’s so fired
Merge with the Mountain West Conference and call it the Mountain Pacific Conference. ( I know there is already a Mountain Pacific Federaltion that would complain about this.) Still this is better than just jointing the MT West.
You would be better off discussing topics you understand. WSU and OSU are better than most of the teams that left the conference. If they go to the Mountain West they will have to disband their sports programs because it is not enough money to support their athletics. Stalling sounds like a great idea for each of them. There will be an opportunity for quality programs like these.
😂 wsu and Osu are not better programs than the ones who left. Statistically wsu has the least successful history in the entire conference. I feel bad for Osu. But, as far as i'm concerned, wsu never even belonged in a power 5 to begin with.
@@paperdoWSU actually has a better historically record then OSU fyi. But who cares. Since the Pac-12 expanded to 12, WSU has been in the top half of schools. Who cares what teams did 40 years ago, now is all that matters.
@@devanwilliams1127 I was wrong about osu. They were negligibly worse than wsu in the pac 12 era. It is a bigger school in a way better location than wsu tho (there's potential). Having a few good years at the right time does not make wsu a succsesful football program. Leach was practically ran out of town, and they immediately fell back to the basement as soon as he left. Even at their peak they haven't been good enough to reach a conference championship. Sure, there are a lot of habitually mediocre teams that got out (Cal, and Asu for example). There are even fellow bottom feeders who escaped (Az). At the end of the day it doesn't change the fact that wsu will only ever be a bottom feeder in a p5. They don't have the money, location, prestige, history, facilities, alumni connections, etcetc to do more. They belong in a mountain west type conference. I will admit that they have done a very good job with what they have had to work with, especially when Leach was there. However, imagine how much better they could have done if they didn't get cannibalised in the pac 12 every year.
@@paperdo OSU a way bigger school? Both schools are practically the same bro, thats why we are in this mess. It is a better location compared to Pullman but thats not a hard feat.
Leach ran out of town? Alright man, you don’t know what the hell you were talking about. Leach left for more money and a school closer to Florida where he lived fulltime. None of that matters anymore obviously. And WSU has had 3 seasons since leach left. They went 1-3 in a Covid shortened year and have been bowl teams the last two seasons following and look like a bowl team again this year.
Do you know how bad Colorado, Cal, and Arizona have been the last decade? You seem to have a problem with WSU which is weird.
WSU fans are well aware it’s a smaller school that doesn’t get the same funding as the bigger P5 schools but we still spend more then the G5. MWC will be fine competition wise but will have downstream affects on funding.
@@devanwilliams1127 I didn't say way bigger, I said way better location. Plus, 10,000 more students is quite a bit. Additionally, I did acknowledge that they are similar.
As far as Leach goes, I am surrounded by cougar fans. Not a single one of them wanted Leach anymore. They were all stoked when he left. He was unwelcome. He couldn't win an apple cup. The other reasons that you listed are completely valid. But decisions are usually made due to a multitude of reasons.
Making it to a bowl game is not impressive. Last year is a great example. They made it to a bowl with a losing conference record last year, and they barely had a winning record the year before. Not to mention, they lost both games against teams from conferences that they are supposedly too good for.
No, I don't have a problem with wazzu as a school or team. I would be lying if I didn't acknowledge that a lot of their fans annoy the snot out of me tho. I'm just done pretending with their fans at this point. I wish the pac 12 had survived. Fact is it didn't. Cal has always been the face of mediocrity but not typically downright bad. And it is a california school. This matters when california is a national recruiting hotspot. Colorado has at least gone to a conference championship, has a solid history, and is a media darling right now, unlike like wazzu. I fully acknowledge that Arizona is a bottom feeder in football. They have had some pretty good basketball teams tho.
Wsu has more delusional and insufferable fans than any other school in the pac 12. Sure oregon has fans that are more insufferable, but Wsu gets the combo. I actually do sincerely hope the program lands on its feet. They have a tradition of making something out of nothing. I can acknowledge that. They had really impressive programs under Leach and Price. I'm just not going to pretend that they are too good for the mountain west unlike a lot of the Wsu fans that I know. We can definitely agree that they are too good for any of the G5 conferences. They are a state university after all. There are a lot of schools who are getting absolutely effed financially by this conference realignment. The whole situation is downright wrong. Unfortunately Wsu gets hurt too.
Crazy like a Fox. Seems smart.
If I were the Cougs/Beavs and there was some sort of necessity to have a certain number of teams in the conference to collect all the credits, I would stick my thumb in the eyes of everybody telling me “what I should do” by inviting the top 4 FCS teams in the West and like 4 C-USA teams on the condition that none of the new teams receive any of the shares of the fossil PAC money and just create a two Snow Whites and seven or however many dwarfs conference. Get all that money coming to them and enable themselves to keep spending up so that they don’t UConnize before the ACC comes a calling in 5-10 years once they’ve lost enough teams to need them.
Its hilarious how people keep saying the pac 12 has access and status. It most definitely doesn't. That's why it's fell apart. Greed and ESPN destroyed it.
Florida State ain’t going nowhere. Maybe 5 years from now.
PAC 2 . Just play each other home and away 8 times.
Tax code to benefit certain groups may not be logical but it becomes law.
Welcome to the Tupac Conference. Full of cougars and beavers. 🤓🤓
They deserve the money everyone bailed and left the money behind and nobody wanted them so they should give everyone the big finger and take the money. PS I am a Buckeye's fan so no skin in either of these teams.
It’s not a flaw it’s put there on purpose to give teams in the power 5 the ability to stay in privilege. There is a reason why there is the word privileged.
You call them bottom feeders? They are better football programs across the country in some of the P5 conference schools 🏫!!!
It’s 2023 we don’t need media deals any longer. We just need a subscription and make our own network. ESPN ruined rivalries that have brought fans together over a 100 years. You can’t get that back. They won’t be able to recreate it. Fans and students are not going to travel well. In years to come, when the stadiums are bare and networks are not living up to the hype. I think they will define this moment as the biggest mistake in college football.
The whole thing is eventually going to collapse
Bro how many teams in the other power leagues are going to be looking at this saying yeah let's hold that Leverage. Every team in the ACC not named Florida State and Clemson will cheer for this. Every team in the Big 12 will cheer for this. This is totally going to happen
There is no Big Ten school in Alaska. There is no P5 (4?) college in Alaska
They can’t afford to leave! They will have zero revenue if they leave
The next president needs to say enough is enough and legislate college sports back to sanity.
Still not understanding what the SEC has to gain by adding FSU and Clemson? Small TV markets (which there already in) and they don't add much outside of football, which if we're being honest there only a mid-tier SEC team.
Yes the pac-12 is dead. But Mountain West commissioner I heard her doing a radio interview. Gloria Nevarez. It's kind of an emotional decision for her to add the pac name somehow to her conference. Because she got a got her undergrad degree at San Jose State. But got her law degree at Stanford.
Close. She got her undergrad from UMass and her law degree from Cal Berkeley.
Bestie, we still calling it Twitter ❤
If contractually they have a 2 grace period then they do! Now you see the power that power 5 programs have😮
But CAL is getting an extra $10 mill a year from UCLA, the problem for Wazzou and Oregon St because their not gonna be on TV, who wants to go to a program with no one in your conference, so u can see those programs not look good at any p5 conference like the Big 12
Their is no standing TV deal but the Pac-12 still owns the Pac-12 network and if they get a scheduling agreement with the MWC, CBS could add a kicker to broadcast those games too. For OOC games those are bid on by the networks so WSU and OSU can still find a way to be on TV.
Cal is not getting $10 million a year from UCLA. It’s a one time payment between $2-$10 million.
This is CLASSIC! MWC is close to ending current media deal and AAC schools can leave for only 8 Milion each if you wait 27 months. You could do those schools and pull it off.
8M is a lot when your revenue is only 2-5M a year
You are using logic rather than contractual legality
Wow - such an interesting development.
What conference do you really think wants NC State ? Get a grip. You say the GOR is close to ending. You think 13 more years is close???
Someone is going to call me stupid, but why don’t Washington state and Oregon state go independent
Who would they schedule? Everyone in FBS has their schedules set years in advance.
@@Alohanate2004 well who are they going to play next year, a normal pac-12 schedule?
i wonder who goes after umass, uconn and notre dame. army might go to the aac
Notre Dame stays independent. Uconn and UMass may join Conference USA as football only members.
@@Alohanate2004 idk Notre Dame might have to join somebody too much 💵💵💵💵💵 involved
@@fadercreekNotre Dame has made it clear independence is more important than money. Otherwise they would have joined the Big 10 already.
@@Alohanate2004 idk about that we'll see
Word on the street, to PAC:
Phase 1: Memphis, Tulane, Rice, UMass(FB), UConn(FB), Gonzaga, St. Mary's
Phase 2: SDSU, Fresno, Boise St.
10 schools for FB and 10 schools for BB
So if a league is down to two teams, they should have to forfeit their power five status. That’s redonkulous. Though I think the old PAC 12 schools should have to donate some of their monies back to the last two teams for a few years. At this point the AAC and MW should join together. Form East and West divisions. And jettison some of the lower teams.
oh so you make the rules?
No, a contract is a contract. Oregon State and Washington State deserve everything they can legally get since this situation wasn't of their making.
Night games, , 10:30 eastern start times has no viewers, one reason espn is in financial distress and having to lay people off
Did you just call Oregon St & Washington State the two "Bottom Feeders?" These are two of the Best Programs in The Pac-12. Dude this isn't the 1970's. Go check your Stats Dude. Every single year at least one if not both of these are Ranked in The Top-25.
Pac 12 / mountain west merger coming.. cbs sports, apple tv will work out a streaming / linear contract. Pacific west conference.. 2 year grace period.. will get mountain west linear deal.. add Appletv deal.. 30mil per year.. for all teams involved.
You talk about laws - this whole conference cannibalising thing should be outlawed. As Far as I"m concerned there is the midwest, southeast, Texas, eastern spillover, and the West Coast. 5 power conferences fits so perfectly. If it was going to go to 4 conferences it really should be the ACC going away and everyone filtering to the SEC, BIG or Big 12. West Coast college sports are now completely weird and meaningless to me. Screw you TV networks, greedy presidents and the NCAA
Remove the 2-year grace period and you have a 24/7 conference free for all. Think deeper man.
In case you didn’t know,SMU is in Dallas,tx that would be the center school in acc,there’s no acc schools in Tennessee
Maybe FSU needs to win some games and while they should produce more than just 5 NFL Hall of Famers. Not to good for such a big powerful school.
During the Oregon State game, they brought on the commissioner of the Mountain West and she invited Oregon State and Washington State to join them, and said "hey, we got good TV money!".
What about all of the Pac-12's debt?
PAC and Mt West merger, keeping the PAC name.
they were not bottom feeders stop whining
Law is on their side, they try to amend it they get sued to death and pay even more
Hawaii in Mountain West not ACC
Add the University of British Columbia to the pac 12. Not only does it make sense geographically. It’s Canadas top football program and their athletic budget is much bigger than the beavers or the cougars. I don’t see why they can’t. UBC to the pac 12
Do they play with rules like the CFL?
The PAC12 need to ask UNLV Boise State San Diego State Colorado State Memphis Tulane and UTSA to join
This whole college football realignment is really getting weird and delusional for the almighty dollar so my team is better than yours. This is the New World Order of college athletics. It is not over yet.
Nothing crazy about it.
Stop being such a pac-2 hater.
Love to see OSU and WSU get that money! Then later, join the MTW and change the name to the Pac12. Lol
perfect! i hope they get to keep the money! lol and play each other 8 times
Don’t get your feelings hurt when OSU and WSU play you all and keep the PAC-2 and hoard the PAC-12 $ and determine their own destiny.
do delegations next big10 and sec needs to get rid of some schools
Good, good by FSU good riddance who needs them they have not been very good.
I’m so glad I quit college football. I am done with these money hungry universities. I did not watch a single game this week and I will not watch a single this year or ever. My days of watching college football are over. The entire sport should be put out of its misery. I don’t care about any college sports anymore
OSU and WSU just join the Mountain west already, it's not that bad and you aren't better than them!
MWC sucks!
@@adamcompean9385 You're not going to do better face the music
@Astro_Magnus Time will tell music, man!
join the big 12
@@JoshuaJohnsOfficalChannel Big-12 and AAC don't want them. Big-10 neither. MWC might snub them off as well. Oregon St. and WSU aren't in major urban or suburban areas. Neither screams title-winning acumen or fertile recruiting grounds. OrSt. and WSU thought they would piggyback Oregon and Washington or at least Stanford and Cal and that obviously backfired.
I doubt Mountain West will wait two years to add those marginal programs. They might try to secure or gobble up other programs to where they won't desire the spoiled brats.
Every team in the PAC 12 conference has won except for Oregon State because they haven't play yet.
fixed that
@lonnesower9413
Did you read the comment?
Look at the date..it was before Oregon had even played. Now, all of the Pac 12 teams won
yah, Oregon state fixed that @@ljsmixbox44
There is no way these money grubbers will allow this to happen. And there isn’t any luster left on the Pac 2.
You the man Ginger!
Pac is done period Last two teams go to another conference osu& wsu are not big revenue makers compared to teams leaving