Anything to do with EV and Chinese cars will get people worked up for some reason. Combine the two together and it can turn the comments section into a shit show. It'll morph from comments about cars into political bullshit.
I hired one for a few days. Fun fact- the strings on the door pocket Adam played with are a fifth and a flat seventh from the fundamental (the tightest one.) Which means at the lights you can play the intro to Talking Heads "Psycho Killer" on them. Glad you read so far now? edit: it seems the BYD is the first ev to need a tune up... No I'm not sorry.
I own one of these, and I can get another one bites the dust going on the driver's side, and because the passenger strings are tuned slightly differently on mine I can get blister in the sun over there. I'd say yes to buying this car
Im a car guy-love BMWs but I also have one of these and agree with all your comments! Its a city car not a tourer but its so easy to drive around town/park and get in/out of. I have home charging and for $4 i get 400kms! had for 2 years-no defects at all! BYD are definately cream of the Chinese crop. Love your work Adam and I hope your making a living now?
BYD was the brand that was the turning point of my opinion on Chinese cars, especially with the Seal and now the shark. We are entering a Chinese golden era for their cars, legacy automakers need to catch up, big time.
@ used car dealerships just won’t accept them. So whatever selling price claimed is essentially just the asking price. No one in their right mind would pay $45k for a used BYD. It’s more like $4.5k
@@yslee1401 Again, I'm not an EV fan and certainly appreciate they depreciate more than many cars and that used car outlets are wary but if you can show me where I can buy a BYD Atto 3 for $4.5k I'll buy it right now! Send me a link and I'll buy it first tomorrow morning as per above parameters. I'll even post the redacted receipt.
ICE cars also depreciate. I had a BMW X5 (purchased for close to $100,000) traded it in for $10,000 ten years later. In the meantime, the door actuators had to be replaced, radiator decided to pack it in while driving in the Sydney Harbour Tunnel (that was fun), service was $1500 a pop. Replaced it with a Camry hybrid and enjoyed a decade of trouble free motoring. Now I have an EV and so far so good. I also have solar so I pay zip for fuel and servicing is every 2 years. Comprehensive insurance cost me less than $720 (pays to shop around).
I mean, if you bought a $100,000 car in the first place, your yearly take-home must be like $200,000, so running it was not a big deal for you. A new Camry is $60,000 and would be a major expense for someone on $75,000 a year.
China are leaving traditional car makers in the dust, especially EVs, on price and quality. It's not just BYD, but Tesla' suffered a lot of depreciation due to a range of low priced EVs coming out of China....on that note we get China made Teslas in Oz of better build quality than US made ones.
If you guys were pleasantly surprised with the Atto 3, wait till you get your hands on the BYD Seal. The level of fit, finish and refinement is stepped up.
He had an EV for a year and loved it. A Kia from memory. But he has off street parking and a charger port and that's the perfect combo. His only criticism apart from recharging on the road was that the eco-tyres sucked. He changed them out and loved it even more.
BYD's LFP battery loves 100% charges! In fact BYD recommends a 100% charge at least once every 2 weeks. The comment towards the end about only charging to 80% only applies to NMC batteries.
@@CampbellMorkham yeah. They even accused ATTO3 Canberra owner for not charging to 100% causing the battery to totally fail while driving at 100km/h with 2 kids at the back. Kudos to BYD Chinese lawyers
I would definitely buy BYD. Especially the Seal. Gorgeous car. I spoke to an owner of an Atto 3 and he commutes to Melbourne with it a few days a week.
Tell that to ATTO3 Canberra owner whose battery died travelling at 100km/h with 2 kids in the back seat. BYD denied warranty claims until the media intervened
I recently drove a friend's Atto 3. Damn I was surprised at how quick it is. Not a bad little unit. However, there are a few reasons I wouldn't buy one myself. Firstly, the boot is too small. Secondly, the nearest dealer is 3 hours away in Sydney. Thirdly, as you can possibly guess by my previous statement, a lack of charging infrastructure here out west of the Blue Mountains, plus, being in a rental, the lack of possibility of installing a home charger. I did want to consider EV for my next car, but until infrastructure etc catches, not yet.
you can charge it at any standard power socket. you dont need a specialised charger. Ive only charged twice in public charger in first year of ownership. With the seats down I can even sleep in it when i need to.
Wow ok the quiet achiever Atto hey .. quirky interior. Yeh maybe I might consider one .. (as you say Adam) once the charging networks get better. Thanks for the diverse content this year awesome as always have a great end to the year guys
We have an MG4 as our EV and Mazda 2 as our ICE car. We don't travel long distance and have a charger installed at home, so having an EV makes perfect sense. We took the Mazda 2 for an interstate trip since we didn't want to stop frequently but it does bare minimum driving as the second car
Wireless CarPlay was added to all cars in a software update so is not limited to 2024 models. As Atto owners with a great deal on a used 2023 model so far we have had zero problems, not a rattle or squeak to hear. I can confirm the Batman tyres are rubbish in the wet and the range is overstated. New Michelin’s on the way and the range for us is not a problem. The emergency braking is no better or worse than the Subaru Foresters EyeSite system that was our last car. For me one of the best cars and most surprising for quality I have owned. No it won’t suit everyone but if you are considering an EV that’s a small SUV it’s worth a test drive. If you want to stick with ICE that’s fine too. Edit…another correction, BYD use a Blade battery that has different chemistry to other EV batteries. There is no reason you can’t charge it to 100% on a regular basis. In fact in the owners manual BYD advise it should be charged to 100% at least once a week. The Blade battery should be good for 5000 full cycles according to all the tests so will lasts the average user well into the future. Keep in mind that BYD started building batteries 30years ago long before they started building cars so are very familiar with the technology.
Fellas, once again thanks very much for another amazing review! Love your work, and I really appreciate that you’ve covered an EV. I’m an owner of a BYD Dolphin, which has the same chassis, battery, motor and so on. I’ve been a two wheel and four wheel rev head all my life and this car after one year and 40,000 kms, I still love it as much as I did during my honeymoon period. I’m a driving instructor and clock up a 1000 kms a week. I charge at home, don’t miss trying to find time to get to a petrol station and I’m so happy to have to not ruin my Sunday with doing an oil and filter changer every 10 weeks. Keep up the great work, your all top shelf legends!!
Yea we have the Dolphin as well and it’s a cracker car! We like the interior a lot better than the Atto as well as it’s more… sophisticated (boring??). Only thing it’d change is what Adam mentioned which is slightly bouncy suspension. Latest updates have fixed the nervous safety features now, for the most part, so pretty stoked about that. 😊
Home charging is such a game changer! ask me how much range I have on my car...go on. I have no idea. I know it's above 30% and will last me the next couple of days though so I'll just plug in one night when I get home. How's that for range anxiety, and I do about 30,000km per year. Driving an ICE was more worrisome
I can't tell you how often I watch your show and then immediately start looking up prices of the car featured. I'm broke, so I never actually buy them, but it keeps me busy. TY.
My next car will likely be a BYD Sealion 6 Hybrid. No worrying about range since it will go over 1K kilometers on a tank, and charge while using the engine, and you can drive in the city on the electric up to 100ks. Seems like the best compromise.
@@Reshumbox nope. You are mixing "fixed under warranty" with "replaced under warranty". If they just replaced it and wait for the warranty to expire to charge you premium for the part, that is bad
Hahaha mate i actually didn't notice the cicadas because they were going nuts in my background too! Had to pause for a second like what??? How does he hear my cicadas??😂
Yea ours was the same price for our Dolphin as my 2017 ICE wagon at around a grand. I’m assuming in Aussy the insurance prices for EVs are way more than in NZ. Which doesn’t make much sense but hey, numbers are numbers.
My parents have one. Steering feels very vague, no feel. Cornering and throttle invokes torque steer. Suspension rmand ride feels very lofty, comfy for sorting out cracks in the road, but will sway on undulations.
Great car just traded it in for a shark as I’m trying to just run one car in future so diesel Ute gone as well. I’ve experienced two years of super cheap trouble free motoring easily best car I’ve ever owned. The insurance for me $800pa , service costs no problem, great local dealer, super comfortable on long trips driven it Cairns to Ballina a few times and Winton and Longreach done easily. Loved my sun roof and guitar strings new windscreen no issues Obrien reckon super easy calibration 👍
Yes. I think ev just will never take off with the high insurance costs and significant depreciation. Unless things change significantly.. not everyone can take VAG and other euro car level depreciation in their household budgets!
Purchased the MGZS EV about a year ago, and had the 7Kw charger at home installed. Done 50,000 kilometres, no issues whatsoever. MG has a bigger dealer network and a 7 year warranty, so that's why I chose it over the BYD. As far as devaluation is concerned, it only cost me $20 per week to travel 50,000 klms a year. it pays for itself over the 7 year warranty period. Devaluation? Meh. Calculate $100 per week of petrol over 7 years! So far so good. It is what it is, but what it is is OK. Nowhere near as bad as you would think. The power is delicious. Like me, if you can live with it, it is hands down the superior choice. Kind of feels like going back to petrol would be a majour downgrade. One year on, I would never wish to turn the clock back. I chose correctly.
I like what byd are doing. If the shark 6 ends up being as good as anticipated at $15k less than a ranger or hilux. Get used to seeing that badge around.
I'm sure its reasonably well built, the Chinese home brand Auto industry would _not_ be selling under-baked cars on the world market...just as the Japanese wouldn't have in the 1960/70's _however_ the design leaves much to be desired with the interior looking like a wet tissue draped over a milk bottle tied together with a red cable tie. Build Your Dreams might work in Nigeria...it doesn't in established markets, and is highly presumptive in the negative.
I would wait 10 years before buying any Chinese branded EV assuming they get a reputation of a decent build and longevity. Don't hold your breath, I reckon it will be the hybrid that becomes main steam not BEVs and China has decent competition from other countries when it comes to hybrids.
I've got a Chinese made 2022 Ford Territory, which isn't available in Oz, but is one of the best cars I've owned, for the purpose it serves. I've owned Mercs, two Alfas, a Porsche 911S4, a Range Rover and a few Korean and Japanese cars, but now that I'm older and based in the Philippines for work, I sit in a lot of traffic jams and drive on bad roads, and this vehicle had held up really well. The build quality is superb, and the interior is really nice, and it's well equipped. It's a cross over with an ICE turbo, so it's got decent get up and go, but it's the extras that stand out, like adaptive cruise, ldw, panoramic sunroof, 360 camera, seat cooling etc. And it was affordable. It was actually tuned and co developed by Ford Australia. The Philippines has a lot of Chinese vehicles, and they hold up really well here and have a great reputation for reliability.
A friend has just purchased a brand new seal. 300 KMs on its maiden trip it goes into limp mode. Three weeks later and the dealer still has no idea what's wrong with it.
Biggest problem buying new electric car is it depreciates like anything the worst is if you buy a second hand and it goes kapoot you will be paying upwards of $25,000 to get the batteries fixed it's lose lose
That is not the reality I'm living in. I live in a regional town. Most of charging done at home on level 1 during the day. And in 8 years time, probably won't need to buy a car anymore - automated driving.
Out of everything mentioned here, the only showstopper for this punter is the weak aircon. Once you've had a car with that issue, you don't ever want to live with it again. Second place goes to the plug ugly hospital chair blue "leather" they're using for the interior. My god it's a depressing colour.
Let’s see it handle subzero temperatures for eight months and get back to me. Tesla has all sorts of problems in winter. The cyberfail is the worst. Flummoxed by snow, sand and water. A guy in Alberta last month, his cyberfail died in the Alberta cold. Broken and towed to a Tesla department and I think Tesla bought it back since they couldn’t figure out what happened.
Everything else you use is mostly Chinese manufactured so why not use their cars as well. Pretty soon Chinese cars would be all the hype. Americans are so scared they put massive tariffs on these cars to protect their domestic market.
@@_saifr not really. My Samsung Phone is Made in Vietnam. My LG TV is Made in South Korea. My Subaru is Made in Japan. My Bosch dishwasher is Made in Poland. My Westinghouse Washing machine and dryer is Made in Romania. My bad-the toilet paper I use is Made in China
@yslee1401 they might be assembled anywhere in the world like you pointed out but i am pretty sure they all have some parts in them that are manufactured from china. I will have to do more research on that but as far as i know Apple sources some components from China but assembles them in California but now even they have moved out of US mainly to India for assembly of iphones.
@@brown8317 ATTO3 Canberra found out the hard way. BYD refused warranty claim on their 33,000kms/14 month old vehicle when it suffered a catastrophic battery failure. It would have been worth more than the car sell Price
Talk non stop but telling us nothing we don’t know, all cars depreciate, it is not an investment, it’s a liability that gives the owner convenience of travel . I have been using atto 3 for the last two years now, never experienced any of the things this guy is talking about.
The biggest problem and yet the most serious problem of this Chinese made car is when warranty expires any thing I mean anything could go seriously wrong good luck
@@TV-ep7vu even within it’s warranty period, BYD Australia denied the warranty replacement claims of ATTO3 Canberra owner. Media intervened and they finally budged. Owner had to wait 3 months to get the car back. Can’t sell because no one wants a defective car
It’s an EV😬 So whilst I’m not an uneducated “environmentalist”, I am an “educated’ environmentally conscious person… and it doesn’t matter where it came from, in what country it was manufactured or the power grid it’s charged from… PureEV will never be the environmentally friendly option! If you’re butt-hurt by rational-people pointing out the environmental deficit of EV’s… then you’re gonna be terrified when you realise the environmental deficit of “renewable” energy.🤡
Yeah. Used car dealerships informed me that PRC BEVs cannot be parked in their yards as it will nullify their insurance policies due to high fire risk associated with their poor batteries and battery management system
@@yslee1401 name them. Show me where they've written that on their website. Saves people from ever having to waste their time attempting to trade their EV in. Or does this only apply to PRC EV as you mentioned. Why not Tesla who also uses Chinese battery. So far you've spilled gospel on what very well could be, a really good public services. I'll wait on more than "trust me brah"
@@yslee1401 Really? They only told you? You and literally nobody else? Sure you didn't just make this up like you made up every other lie you're SPAMMING in the comments?
Great comment about the bipartisan nature of ICE or EV owners. I don't get it. In our family with have a Model Y for family duties (and insurance is just under 2k) and a modified GR Yaris for track fun. I love them both for different reasons. What I really really don't like is the assumption I like Musk because I own a Tesla. That guy is a dick! We considered a BYD, but just couldn't get past the interior design. With a more normal design it would have been a serious contender.
I totally agree on the liking cars for what they are. We have a Polestar 2 and a Porsche 981 Boxster S with a beautiful N/A flat 6. I also love them both for different reasons. I don't like the styling or design philosophy of Teslas, hence I didn't buy one, but you're right about the Musk factor. I know that when I see someone driving around in a Tesla they are doing so because they are an objectively very good car, but I can't help but see a MAGA hat with wheels. That's my issue I know.
"BYD BAD CHINA BAD" Says people using their Chinese made phone, using Chinese made utensils, wearing Chinese made clothes, sleeping in Chinese made quilts.
Well, most cars are made in China. They have been for years. Every manufacturer, just about, has something or all the car made in China. So basing your car buying decision on that is dumb. You’re just being sucked into the marketing hype. Plus their manufacturing is some of the best in the world now. Look at the case of Teslas made in USA vs the ones made in China. People were specifically hunting for serial numbers of Teslas made in China to buy as the ones made in USA were so poorly made. Buy American?…. Nop I’ll buy Chinese thanks, better quality 😂
buying a used ev is a huge gamble no matter what brand. the depreciation shows that. however i'd be inclined to buy a used polestar or etron before touching a used tesla or byd with all the issues they have in qc from new. i spent a few didi rides in the byd's in shanghai and they are great comfortable cars (leagues better than the model 3/y but i wouldn't trust a used one just like most evs)
Its all well and good ReDriven saying we should appreciate each powerplant for what it can do, but the manufacturers and marketeer wankers keep offering things it cant do. It continues to be marketed as a replacement for the ICE but until it can do what an ICE does for a similar purchase and running cost, it will not be universally accepted. People will not tolerate a backward step for a higher price and many cant afford to do so anyway.
How cars are marketed is always going to be something to contend with. We’re attempting to create a narrative where the marketing and noise around a car is the least relevant part of the car buying equation.
EV's are a backwards step in some ways compared to an ICE car, but in many ways they are far better. It mostly depends on your personal circumstances, but if you have your own home (particularly if you have solar), and you don't drive very long distances often, nothing compares to an EV for a daily driver. It's hard to fathom how easy and convenient they are to use and how cheap they are to run and maintain compared to an ICE car. EV technology will continue to improve, particularly with regard to battery density and charging rates, and that will help with some of their drawbacks in the coming decades.
@@moggy4086 The trouble is there are many many ppl that do not have solar, or a garage, or the money to purchase one, but the govt is mandating no new ICE cars from XXXX. It's only a good replacement for a small sector of cars. The" battery tech will get better" is an annoying cliche that has worn very thin. Coz it isnt true to any significant degree. Li ion was invented in the 1970s, not put into cars until 1998 and here we are 26 yrs later. You're blowing smoke out of your bum. Its only 6 years until new ICEs are banned in some countries. The boffins better get their shit together in a hurry. We dont have decades.
Sorry, I just don't think EVs are a good second hand car choice especially if it's more than a couple of years old as you just don't know how the car has been treated in terms of charging which can dramatically affect the longevity of a battery. Plus with Chinese cars we just don't know their what long term quality is like , I would guess they will fall apart just like a cheap watch. There is a reason why Chinese cars are cheap! If you're leasing a new EV great, but as a private buyer unless you're prepared to lose buckets of money you'd be crazy to buy one. No one in their right mind would buy a 6 or 7 year old Chinese EV, so the longer you hang on to your shiny Chinese EV the harder it will be to sell and ultimately it will practicably worthless especially out of warranty. Welcome to the disposable car!
There is a reason why Chinese cars are cheap - purchasing power parity. It costs a lot less to make a car in China because the Chinese car manufacturers don't have to pay their labour force as much, they don't have to pay as much for parts, their market is so large that they get massive economies of scale, and because they make so many cars it is cost effective to make a lot of their own parts in house. BYD for example was a battery company before it decided to make cars, and so they don't have to outsource their battery manufacturing which is a significant cost saver for them. Lack of quality in manufacturing is not the reason Chinese cars are cheap. All of the Chinese cars I've seen have been of superb quality, easily comparable to German and Japanese car manufacturers, and noticeably better than American manufacturers. We have quite a large number of EV's now on the roads around the world that are greater than five years old, and we can start to draw conclusions from that. What data from these vehicles tells us is that they are much more reliable than comparable age ICE vehicles, that ongoing maintenance costs are significantly lower, and that battery longevity is significantly better than even EV manufacturers expected when those cars were made. Ten year old Tesla model S and X vehicles for example with an average mileage of 320,000km have on average only 12% battery degradation. There are plenty of Tesla model S cars with over 750,000km that are still going strong with quite low maintenance requirements than an ICE car of that age. EV's will last longer on average before being disposed of than an ICE car. There are plenty of issues with EV's that make them not for everyone, but you're pointing out the strengths of EV's and trying to argue they're somehow weaknesses.
Burn You Dreams. Apparently the warranty & customer service after you buy it is rubbish. I was considering a BYD if I have to go electric... but I think I'd rather a Nissan Leaf or whatever Toyota pulls out of the wood work.
Anything to do with EV and Chinese cars will get people worked up for some reason. Combine the two together and it can turn the comments section into a shit show. It'll morph from comments about cars into political bullshit.
People are weird
“For some reason” 😂
Haha. Reason stated above ^
People talk political in a car channel should get their bs out of here.
It’s the Govt ramming the technology down our throats
I hired one for a few days. Fun fact- the strings on the door pocket Adam played with are a fifth and a flat seventh from the fundamental (the tightest one.) Which means at the lights you can play the intro to Talking Heads "Psycho Killer" on them.
Glad you read so far now?
edit: it seems the BYD is the first ev to need a tune up... No I'm not sorry.
I own one of these, and I can get another one bites the dust going on the driver's side, and because the passenger strings are tuned slightly differently on mine I can get blister in the sun over there. I'd say yes to buying this car
great now i have the song in my head, i may turn into one
Ha! Hadn't thought about that. With different timing, you get "smoke on the water" (I have heard that was BYD's intent).
Im a car guy-love BMWs but I also have one of these and agree with all your comments! Its a city car not a tourer but its so easy to drive around town/park and get in/out of. I have home charging and for $4 i get 400kms! had for 2 years-no defects at all! BYD are definately cream of the Chinese crop. Love your work Adam and I hope your making a living now?
BYD was the brand that was the turning point of my opinion on Chinese cars, especially with the Seal and now the shark. We are entering a Chinese golden era for their cars, legacy automakers need to catch up, big time.
Buy a 12 month old unit. It would have devalued by at least 70%
@@yslee1401 I'm NOT an EV fan but doubt this number. I suspect you really meant "depreciated". Proof for a normal one owner 10/15K car in Aus?
@ used car dealerships just won’t accept them. So whatever selling price claimed is essentially just the asking price. No one in their right mind would pay $45k for a used BYD. It’s more like $4.5k
@@yslee1401 Again, I'm not an EV fan and certainly appreciate they depreciate more than many cars and that used car outlets are wary but if you can show me where I can buy a BYD Atto 3 for $4.5k I'll buy it right now! Send me a link and I'll buy it first tomorrow morning as per above parameters. I'll even post the redacted receipt.
@@yslee1401 Yeah but how much is it when you stop lying like crazy?
ICE cars also depreciate. I had a BMW X5 (purchased for close to $100,000) traded it in for $10,000 ten years later. In the meantime, the door actuators had to be replaced, radiator decided to pack it in while driving in the Sydney Harbour Tunnel (that was fun), service was $1500 a pop. Replaced it with a Camry hybrid and enjoyed a decade of trouble free motoring. Now I have an EV and so far so good. I also have solar so I pay zip for fuel and servicing is every 2 years. Comprehensive insurance cost me less than $720 (pays to shop around).
I mean, if you bought a $100,000 car in the first place, your yearly take-home must be like $200,000, so running it was not a big deal for you.
A new Camry is $60,000 and would be a major expense for someone on $75,000 a year.
China are leaving traditional car makers in the dust, especially EVs, on price and quality.
It's not just BYD, but Tesla' suffered a lot of depreciation due to a range of low priced EVs coming out of China....on that note we get China made Teslas in Oz of better build quality than US made ones.
If you guys were pleasantly surprised with the Atto 3, wait till you get your hands on the BYD Seal. The level of fit, finish and refinement is stepped up.
@@p3p5y2k the Seal will seal your fate. Temu Teslas are a reputation kamikaze
Do you know if Australia will be getting the Han at all?
@@yslee1401 How much do you get paid for spew racist hate on youtube?
Send the Cicadas to John Cadogans' place... He loves em.
I'd rather listen to cicadas than him waffling on
He had an EV for a year and loved it. A Kia from memory. But he has off street parking and a charger port and that's the perfect combo. His only criticism apart from recharging on the road was that the eco-tyres sucked. He changed them out and loved it even more.
BYD's LFP battery loves 100% charges! In fact BYD recommends a 100% charge at least once every 2 weeks. The comment towards the end about only charging to 80% only applies to NMC batteries.
@@CampbellMorkham yeah. They even accused ATTO3 Canberra owner for not charging to 100% causing the battery to totally fail while driving at 100km/h with 2 kids at the back. Kudos to BYD Chinese lawyers
@@yslee1401 You keep posting this but not coming up with the source when pressed for it, how come?
Is it because you're just lying?
I would definitely buy BYD. Especially the Seal. Gorgeous car. I spoke to an owner of an Atto 3 and he commutes to Melbourne with it a few days a week.
Me too, though the Pillar thing I wouldnt stand (I had a VE commodore and that was my biggest issue with it)
Tell that to ATTO3 Canberra owner whose battery died travelling at 100km/h with 2 kids in the back seat. BYD denied warranty claims until the media intervened
The reason I won’t buy it any time soon is ease of theft. They did patch it recently but I’ll still wait for insurance premiums to go down.
Do an E60 M5, Jim's section is gonna be bigger than Adam's 🤣
BMW Cruze
It’s gonna be longer than a world war mate 😂😂
Or any British Leyland car.
I recently drove a friend's Atto 3. Damn I was surprised at how quick it is. Not a bad little unit. However, there are a few reasons I wouldn't buy one myself. Firstly, the boot is too small. Secondly, the nearest dealer is 3 hours away in Sydney. Thirdly, as you can possibly guess by my previous statement, a lack of charging infrastructure here out west of the Blue Mountains, plus, being in a rental, the lack of possibility of installing a home charger. I did want to consider EV for my next car, but until infrastructure etc catches, not yet.
you can charge it at any standard power socket. you dont need a specialised charger. Ive only charged twice in public charger in first year of ownership. With the seats down I can even sleep in it when i need to.
I've been waiting for this car! ReDriven thanks for delivering such quality content!
Wow ok the quiet achiever Atto hey .. quirky interior. Yeh maybe I might consider one .. (as you say Adam) once the charging networks get better. Thanks for the diverse content this year awesome as always have a great end to the year guys
Great review considering the conditions. I can feel the humidity through the TV
We have an MG4 as our EV and Mazda 2 as our ICE car. We don't travel long distance and have a charger installed at home, so having an EV makes perfect sense. We took the Mazda 2 for an interstate trip since we didn't want to stop frequently but it does bare minimum driving as the second car
Wireless CarPlay was added to all cars in a software update so is not limited to 2024 models. As Atto owners with a great deal on a used 2023 model so far we have had zero problems, not a rattle or squeak to hear. I can confirm the Batman tyres are rubbish in the wet and the range is overstated. New Michelin’s on the way and the range for us is not a problem. The emergency braking is no better or worse than the Subaru Foresters EyeSite system that was our last car. For me one of the best cars and most surprising for quality I have owned. No it won’t suit everyone but if you are considering an EV that’s a small SUV it’s worth a test drive. If you want to stick with ICE that’s fine too.
Edit…another correction, BYD use a Blade battery that has different chemistry to other EV batteries. There is no reason you can’t charge it to 100% on a regular basis. In fact in the owners manual BYD advise it should be charged to 100% at least once a week. The Blade battery should be good for 5000 full cycles according to all the tests so will lasts the average user well into the future. Keep in mind that BYD started building batteries 30years ago long before they started building cars so are very familiar with the technology.
Fellas, once again thanks very much for another amazing review! Love your work, and I really appreciate that you’ve covered an EV. I’m an owner of a BYD Dolphin, which has the same chassis, battery, motor and so on. I’ve been a two wheel and four wheel rev head all my life and this car after one year and 40,000 kms, I still love it as much as I did during my honeymoon period. I’m a driving instructor and clock up a 1000 kms a week. I charge at home, don’t miss trying to find time to get to a petrol station and I’m so happy to have to not ruin my Sunday with doing an oil and filter changer every 10 weeks. Keep up the great work, your all top shelf legends!!
Yea we have the Dolphin as well and it’s a cracker car! We like the interior a lot better than the Atto as well as it’s more… sophisticated (boring??).
Only thing it’d change is what Adam mentioned which is slightly bouncy suspension. Latest updates have fixed the nervous safety features now, for the most part, so pretty stoked about that. 😊
Home charging is such a game changer! ask me how much range I have on my car...go on. I have no idea. I know it's above 30% and will last me the next couple of days though so I'll just plug in one night when I get home. How's that for range anxiety, and I do about 30,000km per year. Driving an ICE was more worrisome
@@LordFordism RMB0.50 for you
i entered the used car market for a 330i, A5, C200 but then the BYD seal come on my Radar for similar money but Brand New!
I can't tell you how often I watch your show and then immediately start looking up prices of the car featured. I'm broke, so I never actually buy them, but it keeps me busy. TY.
In fact, compared to BYD, a lot of the products by legacy automakers are rubbish.
My next car will likely be a BYD Sealion 6 Hybrid. No worrying about range since it will go over 1K kilometers on a tank, and charge while using the engine, and you can drive in the city on the electric up to 100ks. Seems like the best compromise.
Honestly I'm not an EV fan BUT if I was gonna go one it would be that car as well. They look damn good too and for the price you can't complain
My nissan note e power medalist is cheaper and faster than those and gets further on a tank and is more reliable 😂
@@lexman8678Nissan and reliable do not belong In the same sentence bud 😂
Sealion6 owners reports real world range of only around 700kms
@@tlevans62 but it 12 month later for less than 25% of its sticker price
That would be one of the most uninspiring cars on offer.
BYD = build your depreciation
The problem is when the warranty expires...
Like every European car
Like literally every car ever produced? Unless you own a Reliant and can pop down to Reliant Parts World.
@@Reshumbox no? What on earth are you on.
@@Reshumbox nope. You are mixing "fixed under warranty" with "replaced under warranty". If they just replaced it and wait for the warranty to expire to charge you premium for the part, that is bad
@@AlbertouyUtter nonsense
The wheel design is actually really cool
Hahaha mate i actually didn't notice the cicadas because they were going nuts in my background too! Had to pause for a second like what??? How does he hear my cicadas??😂
I’ll wait for the BYD Orca
I have a BYD seal performance. I am also in newcastle and would be willing to let you borrow if you want to do a review. I am
Very happy with it .
Insurance for my Atto 3 was super cheap for me. Under $800. They are a good SUV.
Comprehensive?
Yes! Aami
Yea ours was the same price for our Dolphin as my 2017 ICE wagon at around a grand. I’m assuming in Aussy the insurance prices for EVs are way more than in NZ. Which doesn’t make much sense but hey, numbers are numbers.
Mazda 2 brand new, fully comp, $499.
Keen for more reviews of EVs. Would be great to see a review of the Hyundai Kona
Thanks Redriven! Informative video and unbiased.
7:18 no right or wrong answer for USED cars. I agree. BUT for new, should only be EVs.
My parents have one. Steering feels very vague, no feel. Cornering and throttle invokes torque steer. Suspension rmand ride feels very lofty, comfy for sorting out cracks in the road, but will sway on undulations.
That’s why it’s also known as a Temu Tesla with standard chopstick suspension and no resale value
@@yslee1401 It's known as Temu Tesla by nobody other than you, since you just made it up on the spot to suit your racist crusade.
This vehicle sells for 25000AUD brand spanking new in China, very popular with uber drivers, due to its low price and reliability.
Great car just traded it in for a shark as I’m trying to just run one car in future so diesel Ute gone as well. I’ve experienced two years of super cheap trouble free motoring easily best car I’ve ever owned. The insurance for me $800pa , service costs no problem, great local dealer, super comfortable on long trips driven it Cairns to Ballina a few times and Winton and Longreach done easily.
Loved my sun roof and guitar strings new windscreen no issues Obrien reckon super easy calibration 👍
@@rohankilby4499 a Temu Ranger? No way Jose
Yes. I think ev just will never take off with the high insurance costs and significant depreciation. Unless things change significantly.. not everyone can take VAG and other euro car level depreciation in their household budgets!
@@antant06 especially Chinese Branded BeVs
Insurance expensive? How about $800 with RACQ. Shrug.
I got it for $800 as well
My concern is water ingress into the battery compartment. Lexus and Toyota hybrid batteries are located inside the car under the rear seats.
Purchased the MGZS EV about a year ago, and had the 7Kw charger at home installed. Done 50,000 kilometres, no issues whatsoever. MG has a bigger dealer network and a 7 year warranty, so that's why I chose it over the BYD. As far as devaluation is concerned, it only cost me $20 per week to travel 50,000 klms a year. it pays for itself over the 7 year warranty period. Devaluation? Meh. Calculate $100 per week of petrol over 7 years! So far so good. It is what it is, but what it is is OK. Nowhere near as bad as you would think. The power is delicious. Like me, if you can live with it, it is hands down the superior choice. Kind of feels like going back to petrol would be a majour downgrade. One year on, I would never wish to turn the clock back. I chose correctly.
@@paulmiles3457 being seen in a PRC branded vehicle is a reputation kamikaze
Please do a BYD hybrid!
BYD has the best hybrid (yes, better then toyota). But only sold in China.
Too new
Hah? A Temu Toyota?
I like what byd are doing. If the shark 6 ends up being as good as anticipated at $15k less than a ranger or hilux. Get used to seeing that badge around.
@@FIGFPV you bought the Temu Hilux instead of the real thing?
I must have tuned out from the cicada's (they're horrendous here on the Central Coast) because I didn't notice the audio quality issues!
I'm sure its reasonably well built, the Chinese home brand Auto industry would _not_ be selling under-baked cars on the world market...just as the Japanese wouldn't have in the 1960/70's _however_ the design leaves much to be desired with the interior looking like a wet tissue draped over a milk bottle tied together with a red cable tie.
Build Your Dreams might work in Nigeria...it doesn't in established markets, and is highly presumptive in the negative.
Odd found NRMA in Sydney to be cheaper on my Seal Performance versus a '21 BMW 330i. Guess it all depends.
Thumps up for the rant!
Thank you ❤
Love the sound of the insects❤
I would wait 10 years before buying any Chinese branded EV assuming they get a reputation of a decent build and longevity. Don't hold your breath, I reckon it will be the hybrid that becomes main steam not BEVs and China has decent competition from other countries when it comes to hybrids.
Davinci Voice Isolator gets rid of the crickets perfectly 👍
Byd forces you to "service" the car but there is nothing to service
What about the rust issues that were all over the internet. No word on that?
Only ever use epa range. Far more accurate
I've got a Chinese made 2022 Ford Territory, which isn't available in Oz, but is one of the best cars I've owned, for the purpose it serves. I've owned Mercs, two Alfas, a Porsche 911S4, a Range Rover and a few Korean and Japanese cars, but now that I'm older and based in the Philippines for work, I sit in a lot of traffic jams and drive on bad roads, and this vehicle had held up really well. The build quality is superb, and the interior is really nice, and it's well equipped. It's a cross over with an ICE turbo, so it's got decent get up and go, but it's the extras that stand out, like adaptive cruise, ldw, panoramic sunroof, 360 camera, seat cooling etc. And it was affordable. It was actually tuned and co developed by Ford Australia. The Philippines has a lot of Chinese vehicles, and they hold up really well here and have a great reputation for reliability.
CNY0.50 for you
Thanks guys, great video. I was surprised at your comments. They sound like a good car. But I have Lexus blood in me and they really are a great car.
A friend has just purchased a brand new seal. 300 KMs on its maiden trip it goes into limp mode. Three weeks later and the dealer still has no idea what's wrong with it.
Your friend is lucky that the car did not self ignite
Adam touching the interior with the vibe of someone who’s dropped mdma 😂
If this is awd. I would definitely buy one.
is that a Casio GW-S5600U （titanium + carbon fiber）?
@@hpwan2 China made so many Temu Casios that last just a week and then dies
Getting body corporates to accommodate EVs in apartment carparks is a massive problem. A real opportunity for improvement…
@@froggy0162 Chinese BeVs are not allowed in most underground or multi-storey car parks anymore. They are a fire hazard indeed
Good to see trim wheels in the centre console 😆
I just can't get over the interior design...it's just too out there!
Biggest problem buying new electric car is it depreciates like anything the worst is if you buy a second hand and it goes kapoot you will be paying upwards of $25,000 to get the batteries fixed it's lose lose
That is not the reality I'm living in.
I live in a regional town. Most of charging done at home on level 1 during the day.
And in 8 years time, probably won't need to buy a car anymore - automated driving.
Waiting for the clueless cavemen to yell EV Chinese ! No way ! 😂
I call it a Temu Tesla
@@yslee1401 Like clockwork.
Out of everything mentioned here, the only showstopper for this punter is the weak aircon. Once you've had a car with that issue, you don't ever want to live with it again. Second place goes to the plug ugly hospital chair blue "leather" they're using for the interior. My god it's a depressing colour.
First time I’ve noticed that Jim isn’t in the workshop.
What Cicadas? I forgot they are there after 5 seconds.
I'm the only one, who hears constant cracking and squeaking noise during the test drive in this video?
Let’s see it handle subzero temperatures for eight months and get back to me.
Tesla has all sorts of problems in winter. The cyberfail is the worst. Flummoxed by snow, sand and water.
A guy in Alberta last month, his cyberfail died in the Alberta cold. Broken and towed to a Tesla department and I think Tesla bought it back since they couldn’t figure out what happened.
Doing this episode with headphones and those cirCARda's are singing
Sounds like my citroen c4s power steering pump
You will always be way more interesting than a group of cicadas
Kinder words have never been said
yeah that batman bit got me and the only drawback of this car LOL. I understand it has to be built to a budget but really batman???
God I'm desperate for that E63 review to drop😢
Everything else you use is mostly Chinese manufactured so why not use their cars as well. Pretty soon Chinese cars would be all the hype. Americans are so scared they put massive tariffs on these cars to protect their domestic market.
Uaassss preached loudly about free trade when they're on the top.
Imposing tariffs is an admission they are no longer the top dog.
BYD is also known as a Temu Tesla
@@_saifr not really. My Samsung Phone is Made in Vietnam. My LG TV is Made in South Korea. My Subaru is Made in Japan. My Bosch dishwasher is Made in Poland. My Westinghouse Washing machine and dryer is Made in Romania.
My bad-the toilet paper I use is Made in China
@yslee1401 they might be assembled anywhere in the world like you pointed out but i am pretty sure they all have some parts in them that are manufactured from china. I will have to do more research on that but as far as i know Apple sources some components from China but assembles them in California but now even they have moved out of US mainly to India for assembly of iphones.
@ not true at all. China can’t make 3nm chipsets as they can’t have the Dutch lithography machine
new in japan 50000aud one year old 8000kms 20000aud VERY EASY, no reason to buy new at all
It's a decent looking car. I'd have one over a Tesla any day of the week.
Yeah it not a bad choice to buy a used Atto 3.
@@marcc.490 yeah, it would have depreciated by more than 75% within a year
I wonder how much the battery costs
@@brown8317 ATTO3 Canberra found out the hard way. BYD refused warranty claim on their 33,000kms/14 month old vehicle when it suffered a catastrophic battery failure. It would have been worth more than the car sell
Price
These cars everywhere here in Jakarta.
@@casanovafrankenstein374 Indonesia is a capital for Chinese made vehicles dumpyard
Talk non stop but telling us nothing we don’t know, all cars depreciate, it is not an investment, it’s a liability that gives the owner convenience of travel . I have been using atto 3 for the last two years now, never experienced any of the things this guy is talking about.
I'm pro whatever power-plant a decent car has. Can't wait for the synthetic fuel and Hydrogen cell revolution. Performance cars are gonna get nutty
Hydrogen has met its demise. Toyota are being sued in California for their hydrogen hype.
@FrankiePo89 breaking news: emerging technology has faults
@@Shifty319
Toyota has been on it for almost 2 decades in Japan.
@@Shifty319 especially a Temu Tesla like BYd
21:23 A pillar is life
One of the best review in Australia , you guys are legend
The biggest problem and yet the most serious problem of this Chinese made car is when warranty expires any thing I mean anything could go seriously wrong good luck
@@TV-ep7vu even within it’s warranty period, BYD Australia denied the warranty replacement claims of ATTO3 Canberra owner. Media intervened and they finally budged. Owner had to wait 3 months to get the car back. Can’t sell because no one wants a defective car
So it's a car? Just like every other car...
@@yslee1401 You've still not posted the source for that claim despite being asked multiple times and deflecting loads, curious.
Did John Cadogan send you the cicadas that plagued one of his recent BYD videos?
@@TheKnobCalledTone. JC told us about the ATTO3 Canberra owner with a dead battery at 33,000kms travelling at 100km/h. BYD denied warranty claims
I love all cars 🎉
Also choice should be yours 😅😂
It’s an EV😬
So whilst I’m not an uneducated “environmentalist”, I am an “educated’ environmentally conscious person… and it doesn’t matter where it came from, in what country it was manufactured or the power grid it’s charged from… PureEV will never be the environmentally friendly option!
If you’re butt-hurt by rational-people pointing out the environmental deficit of EV’s… then you’re gonna be terrified when you realise the environmental deficit of “renewable” energy.🤡
Dealers won't touch these as a trade in
@@richieduck67 which dealer won't except these as trade in? Do you have verifiable source?
Bullshit
Yeah. Used car dealerships informed me that PRC BEVs cannot be parked in their yards as it will nullify their insurance policies due to high fire risk associated with their poor batteries and battery management system
@@yslee1401 name them. Show me where they've written that on their website. Saves people from ever having to waste their time attempting to trade their EV in. Or does this only apply to PRC EV as you mentioned. Why not Tesla who also uses Chinese battery. So far you've spilled gospel on what very well could be, a really good public services. I'll wait on more than "trust me brah"
@@yslee1401 Really? They only told you? You and literally nobody else?
Sure you didn't just make this up like you made up every other lie you're SPAMMING in the comments?
Great comment about the bipartisan nature of ICE or EV owners. I don't get it. In our family with have a Model Y for family duties (and insurance is just under 2k) and a modified GR Yaris for track fun. I love them both for different reasons. What I really really don't like is the assumption I like Musk because I own a Tesla. That guy is a dick! We considered a BYD, but just couldn't get past the interior design. With a more normal design it would have been a serious contender.
I totally agree on the liking cars for what they are. We have a Polestar 2 and a Porsche 981 Boxster S with a beautiful N/A flat 6. I also love them both for different reasons.
I don't like the styling or design philosophy of Teslas, hence I didn't buy one, but you're right about the Musk factor. I know that when I see someone driving around in a Tesla they are doing so because they are an objectively very good car, but I can't help but see a MAGA hat with wheels. That's my issue I know.
"BYD BAD CHINA BAD"
Says people using their Chinese made phone, using Chinese made utensils, wearing Chinese made clothes, sleeping in Chinese made quilts.
Do not tell them they've using Chinese all along. Else it'll scare the shitttt out of them.
Samsung Phones are Made in Vietnam. The only Chinese product I may use is toilet paper
BYDs Bleed You Dry before Burning Your Dreams
Well, most cars are made in China. They have been for years. Every manufacturer, just about, has something or all the car made in China. So basing your car buying decision on that is dumb. You’re just being sucked into the marketing hype.
Plus their manufacturing is some of the best in the world now. Look at the case of Teslas made in USA vs the ones made in China. People were specifically hunting for serial numbers of Teslas made in China to buy as the ones made in USA were so poorly made. Buy American?…. Nop I’ll buy Chinese thanks, better quality 😂
Made in China and made by China is not the same thing you goof. This is made BY China, avoid at all costs.
@soltcolt4506
You should go tell the goofs in washiiintondc that those EVs coming in are "Made BY China".
Cars as whitegoods, RIP Australia
@@ArchimedeanEye cars are white goods to overwhelming majority of drivers. Enthusiasts market are very small and shrinking. That's how it is sadly.
@@ArchimedeanEye PRC cars are death traps
buying a used ev is a huge gamble no matter what brand. the depreciation shows that.
however i'd be inclined to buy a used polestar or etron before touching a used tesla or byd with all the issues they have in qc from new.
i spent a few didi rides in the byd's in shanghai and they are great comfortable cars (leagues better than the model 3/y but i wouldn't trust a used one just like most evs)
Why won’t you trust one just out of curiosity
Ok since when do bass players have friends ……..
Its all well and good ReDriven saying we should appreciate each powerplant for what it can do, but the manufacturers and marketeer wankers keep offering things it cant do. It continues to be marketed as a replacement for the ICE but until it can do what an ICE does for a similar purchase and running cost, it will not be universally accepted. People will not tolerate a backward step for a higher price and many cant afford to do so anyway.
How cars are marketed is always going to be something to contend with. We’re attempting to create a narrative where the marketing and noise around a car is the least relevant part of the car buying equation.
EV's are a backwards step in some ways compared to an ICE car, but in many ways they are far better. It mostly depends on your personal circumstances, but if you have your own home (particularly if you have solar), and you don't drive very long distances often, nothing compares to an EV for a daily driver. It's hard to fathom how easy and convenient they are to use and how cheap they are to run and maintain compared to an ICE car. EV technology will continue to improve, particularly with regard to battery density and charging rates, and that will help with some of their drawbacks in the coming decades.
@@ReDriven Yes, but you are one voice in millions and as good as ReDriven is, not everybody watches it.
@@moggy4086 The trouble is there are many many ppl that do not have solar, or a garage, or the money to purchase one, but the govt is mandating no new ICE cars from XXXX. It's only a good replacement for a small sector of cars.
The" battery tech will get better" is an annoying cliche that has worn very thin. Coz it isnt true to any significant degree. Li ion was invented in the 1970s, not put into cars until 1998 and here we are 26 yrs later. You're blowing smoke out of your bum. Its only 6 years until new ICEs are banned in some countries. The boffins better get their shit together in a hurry.
We dont have decades.
@ Can only do so much 🤷♂️
I'm not an EV guy but these are good cars. There is a reason why you see then everywhere.
The reason is cheapness and people are stupid. That's about it. People in Australia are sheep who follow each other.
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Sorry, I just don't think EVs are a good second hand car choice especially if it's more than a couple of years old as you just don't know how the car has been treated in terms of charging which can dramatically affect the longevity of a battery. Plus with Chinese cars we just don't know their what long term quality is like , I would guess they will fall apart just like a cheap watch. There is a reason why Chinese cars are cheap! If you're leasing a new EV great, but as a private buyer unless you're prepared to lose buckets of money you'd be crazy to buy one. No one in their right mind would buy a 6 or 7 year old Chinese EV, so the longer you hang on to your shiny Chinese EV the harder it will be to sell and ultimately it will practicably worthless especially out of warranty. Welcome to the disposable car!
There is a reason why Chinese cars are cheap - purchasing power parity. It costs a lot less to make a car in China because the Chinese car manufacturers don't have to pay their labour force as much, they don't have to pay as much for parts, their market is so large that they get massive economies of scale, and because they make so many cars it is cost effective to make a lot of their own parts in house. BYD for example was a battery company before it decided to make cars, and so they don't have to outsource their battery manufacturing which is a significant cost saver for them.
Lack of quality in manufacturing is not the reason Chinese cars are cheap. All of the Chinese cars I've seen have been of superb quality, easily comparable to German and Japanese car manufacturers, and noticeably better than American manufacturers.
We have quite a large number of EV's now on the roads around the world that are greater than five years old, and we can start to draw conclusions from that. What data from these vehicles tells us is that they are much more reliable than comparable age ICE vehicles, that ongoing maintenance costs are significantly lower, and that battery longevity is significantly better than even EV manufacturers expected when those cars were made. Ten year old Tesla model S and X vehicles for example with an average mileage of 320,000km have on average only 12% battery degradation. There are plenty of Tesla model S cars with over 750,000km that are still going strong with quite low maintenance requirements than an ICE car of that age. EV's will last longer on average before being disposed of than an ICE car.
There are plenty of issues with EV's that make them not for everyone, but you're pointing out the strengths of EV's and trying to argue they're somehow weaknesses.
These are really popular in my part of Malaysia
They have no resale value at all
@@yslee1401 More valuable than you.
Australia is noisy, huh?
Burn You Dreams. Apparently the warranty & customer service after you buy it is rubbish. I was considering a BYD if I have to go electric... but I think I'd rather a Nissan Leaf or whatever Toyota pulls out of the wood work.
@@ultimablackmage they Bleed You Dry