Rudy Gobert was carrying that team defensively but he somehow gets most of the blame because he can’t guard the perimeter as a 7’0 center?? Also no one has ever said the Jazz are real title contenders
@@allanflores25 Fr people be dragging him for not being crazy mobile. Like we know, he makes up for it with crazy interior defense just like any other great rim protector. That'd be like me dragging Marcus Smart for not locking down Joel Embiid in the post.
@@nathanarevalos3643 probably I’m a warriors fan but if he wins a ring the jazz are going to fuck themselves and Donavan is never winning another ring and oh he’s going to get traded if that happens for sure
Bro the perimeter defenders were basically forced to have to guard 4v5 cuz Gobert was in the paint and the other team had 5 dudes at the 3 point line. That system is set up to fail no matter what defense was played
@@user-gm5gc1be4w they don’t make rotations well, other teams play the same scheme and it works wonders. If your perimeter guys don’t hustle or fight on screens, it’s wraps
I felt the Jazz never attempted to fix their biggest issue, perimeter defense. They never got that 2-way player that could play on both ends of the floor, I always wish they would try to trade for Robert Covington or Jerami Grant, but they didn't seem interested, they just kept doing the same thing over and over again.
This comment. I like Mitchell, but to say his defense is lackluster would be an understatement. I always felt he somehow escaped a lot of criticism when the Jazz failed.
@@Phonsuk which is so stupid because Conley and bogdonovic were such great defenders. All they had to was mature their defense with their age like Chris Paul but they instead decided to forget how to play defense
They expect gobert to be on the paint and do his job while also needing to help at the outside because gobert's teammates can't do their job. Gobert is a great defender but he can't go 1v5 on the defense
Exactly he should’ve just subbed out Gobert and put in Royce O Neal at Center to matchup against the Clippers small ball center. Like the Clippers literally had Batum and Morris at center
Rudy and Donovan definitely had some interesting moments together as a team, but it’ll be interesting to dive into the main reasons on how all of this went down. This channel is super great when it comes to this stuff, love the vids
@@alwayyssgone It's all about Mitchell's fault. He is just a little Diva, thinking that he is the best player in the world and that the whole organisation is ruling around him. I hate this guy !
the jazz were one of my favorite teams to watch over the past few seasons. Mitchell’s been one of my favorite players since the moment he stepped into the league. it’s crazy how fast we all went from bringing fascinated by their high-powered offense to being disgusted with the team and praying that they’d just break that core up.
Another awesome vid bro. Sometimes I forget small details about a team over the years. Watching everything play out in a long form vid is always super entertaining and you add so much with your commentary.
Well done… I’m a life long Jazz fan, super disappointed with the way the Mitchell Gobert era ended. You did your homework in putting this video together. Great job 👍
Rudy's time on the Jazz(especially in the 2021 Playoffs) was one of the most contentious stints for a player and their team I've seen in a while, with some pretty sound arguments for and against his playstyle. Unfortunately, those arguments might be the only thing people will remember about this team down the line...
lol media brainwashed ass rudy n donavan r young as hell rudy the multiple defense player of year lol young ass donavan took y’all on those back to back playoff runs y’all ungrateful as fuk i swear
It’s funny to think how when Rudy Gobert was drafted he was definitely like an unknown 60 overall in 2k and I loved putting him on my team as just one of the tallest players in the league
Pain. But also regardless of what happened that 2020-21 season was so much fun. Jordan Clarkson getting sixth man. Shooting all those threes. It was a great time to be a fan
Basically the Jazz were the Lob City Clippers 2.0. Just a good regular season team but come playoff time, they come short. But we all knew they weren’t serious contenders ironically.
Gobert not improving offensively, while DM didn’t improve defensively combined with the lack of capable perimeter defenders killed this team. At the same time though a good portion of fault lies with the coaching staff. Too many winnable series were bungled.
Gobert couldn't improve offensively, as the coach and other players, except for Joe Ingles, never managed to give him the ball on a couple plays. Even if a player develop some offensive skills during off-season and in training, he can't get any better if he has no opportunity to use them on the court during a match. Brook Lopez become a good 3-pt shooter, for a center, because he was allowed to shoot 3s in-game.
@@Chocolouf I very much doubt that Brook Lopez statement. Before you get the chance to shoot them in game, you have to show you can make them in training. If you claim Gobert has only attempted 11 threes in his career (and missed all) because they won''t let him, I'd answer it's because he can't make threes. You out here acting like he could shoot 30% if only given the chance. If he could he'd have it. Clearly he can''t.
As a Utah Jazz fan it’s been so fun to watch this team play then when they get to the playoffs it’s disappointing other then the amount of point’s Donavan scores mad respect to all the other jazz fans that have been disappointed all of these years
Rudy was great, but Mitchell was the main problem. Rudy saved the Jazz defensively but the problem was that the Jazz needed perimeter defense and Mitchell was a liability when it came to defending other star guards. Rudy did everything he could do but Mitchell didn't do enough as the "face" of the franchise.
The Jazz defense had to guard 5 3 point shooters with only 4 defenders cuz Gobert could only stay in the paint. It was gonna fail no matter what if they continued to play like that
@@user-gm5gc1be4w Nah the real issue is the whole team shot 27% from 3 that series with 5 of those games being within 10 points. Even with the trouble on defense they really lost to late game empty possessions and not passing to Gobert who was 64% from the field yet only got to score 6 times a game.
@@yourbarber6732 it’s cuz Mitchell didn’t trust Gobert with the ball and would never pass to him even if he was open. In my opinion, this was mostly Mitchell’s fault.
@@sapaiVFX Exactly lmfao I’ve seen ppl go off about Gobert, Conley, and Bogdonavic like Donovan wasn’t putting up 20+ shots a game on 40/21/88 splits. I feel like too many ppl just look at ppg and call it a day
I always say the ironic part is a versatile wing who can score, play make, & play defense like Hayward (who was an all star) was the only piece this Jazz team needed.
The thing to remember is that Gobert was a 27th pick. Mitchell 13th. You can't expect players drafted at those spots to not have some glaring flaws, and much of the rest of the roster was the same. I loved this team, but I'm not surprised they flamed out in the playoffs. Of their top nine guys, they were relying on so many guys in their mid-thirties (Conley, Bogdanovic, Ingles) or players who has simply never been reliable defensively (Clarkson, Mitchell, most of the old guys too). They got away with it in the regular season thanks to spacing and Gobert cleaning up mistakes, but it would never work once a foe could gameplan against you and repeatedly target the weaker defenders and pull Gobert out of the paint, as we saw season after season.
Klay Thompson was a number 11 pick and draymond was a 2nd round pick. Hell, the current back to back mvp was a 2nd round pick. You don’t need lottery picks if you can develop talent
most underrated NBA channel on youtube, love the editing style you use. You acutally take the time to make quality videos unlike so many other clickbait garbage nba channels on youtube. Amazing video as always
This is amazing content, I love it!! An idea for future content is 'How Kevin Durant Ruined his Career by leaving the OKC Thunder', that could detail how KD joining the Warriors ruined his all-time legacy, as well as joining the Nets to play with Kyrie ruined his remaining prime years due to the uncertainty of the Kyrie Irving and James Harden situations. Just an idea my man, but keep up the great content, I love all of it!
The microphone thing was funny. Him testing positive after was even funnier. I had no idea it would cause this much strain. I mean I would be angry too but not that angry.
I was one of donovan mitchell’s earliest supporters. I watched his draft day livestream and was freaking the hell out when I saw my Jazz of all teams were trading up to draft him. And I shot my step dad a text talking about “omg imagine Gordon and Donovan Mitchell on the same team”, and obviously he didn’t really care, because Donovan Mitchell was just a random late lottery pick, a lot like Trey Lyles or Alec Burks. Then we went to those summer league games and I was immediately vindicated. I’ll always love this era of Jazz ball. I dont even care how dysfunctional it was. Whatever. We’re never winning a championship, I’m resigned to that because for some reason people from outside Utah just really fucking hate Utah and hate the idea of living here as though we’re all Amish people who banned drinking alcohol, but at least we have the potential to be fun, and we were really fun during this era.
oh to relive this tragic duo. They were just never on the same page and the team just never had the talent or effort on defense as a whole. at least it was always fun to predict which team would knock them out in the playoffs.
Wow, really interesting and thorough accounting. As a warriors fan, I always feared the Jazz in the regular season. No idea why they always disappointed in the playoffs. I don’t blame Rudy. More the lack of perimeter defense and the ability to scheme and game plan in the playoffs. Hopefully they can rebuild in the next few years.
It’s because Gobert is unplayable in the playoffs. Teams just go small and abuse his slow footwork in PnR’s. Since he has zero offensive game he can’t punish teams for going small by scoring in the paint. The guy literally has made zero improvement on offense since his first year in the league till now. I don’t think it’s too much to ask for him to have 2 or 3 post moves if you’re paid like a superstar. Like Mcgrady said, what is he working on in the off-season? It’s crazy that a max player doesn’t even have a single post move
@@Romanus- You really know nothing, Gobert wasn't to blame, the other 4 players playing no perimeter defense were the reason they got abused. A center isn't supposed to be a good reliable exterior defender. Regarding his offensive skillset, Snyder and the other players, except for Ingles, never passed him the ball.
With how much media shits on Rudy I’m glad to see so many people use common sense when it came to just how bad the entire teams defense was. I’m glad he’s gone from the team that hated him so much
I absolutely love your videos. I’m a magic fan and I can’t help but to think you could make a really great video about our franchise and how they had 2 failed attempts at a championship when we had 2 dynamic fun teams, their collapse, and hopefully their rise back to being relevant again with our #1 pick and bright young core.
20:01 the Jazz didn't squander it, Mitchell turned the ball over with 13 seconds left and cost them the game. They were so lucky that Denver missed the layup and Conley got a chance to even attempt a game winning shot.
I'm from Utah and am a die hard Jazz fan and part of me missed this era of ball. Rudy and Donovan were so fun to watch especially in the regular season ,but the result was always the same after June they chocked in the playoffs because they prioritized offense to much ,and left Rudy with no defensive help all while giving Donovan role players that could contribute to his stats but didn't help much else. I'm glad we are rebuilding now it's going to take time before we are contenders again ,but it's better to be bad now with a organization that has a great team builder like Danny Ainge (Even though the new rebrand is awful.) than regular season stars that fail to do anything great.
Dang man as a jazz fan this was brutal to watch. But it did remind me of the great times I had in the 2018 thunder series. Went to 2 of those games, good times.
Let me just say though, despite the fact that the Mitchell-Gobert era didn't pan out the way they wanted, you have to give it up to the entire Jazz who tried their best to capitalize on this but just fell short: - The front office were able to trade for Mitchell who wasn't really seen as a franchise changing player. Lucky them since Hayward would leave in the following free agency that came after. They then tried surrounding Mitchell and Gobert with more offensive players which sacrificed their defense but immensely improved their offense - Coach Quin Snyder then made adjustments to his offense with the more offensive minded roster he was given with and it showed with a historic offense. Was it too simplified? Yes, but it worked wonders for them for the most part Wherever the Jazz go from here on out, hope they can build to be true contenders once again
It’ll all be up to how they draft and if their player development staff can improve bc it’ll be at least 3-4 years before the young players they’ll be drafting can form into a contender
Yal wont understand how special this team was and how special this part of donovans career was until like 10 years down the line. Going to miss don so much.. thanks for everything my boy.. honestly might be his best stretch of his career when all is said and done. Will always cheer him on when he comes home and hope we can get him back one day. Changed the culture. JAZZ FANS BETTER SHOW THEY FUCKING RESPECT. Hate other jazz fans sometimes
As a jazz fan this was painful to watch, glad danny ainge is finally cleaning house so we can finally have a direction instead of being in no man’s land. Great video loved the in depth dive into my favorite team
Outside of gobert there was no perimeter defense which led to his workload being heavy on the defensive end….but also outside of D Mitchell there was no offensive Creation….keep tht in mind
Good video, as new follower of Jazz this upcoming season (Because Lauri fan). This was good recap of how Mitchell & Gobert era looked like, it seems trouble was with ball hogging Mitchell and Gobert just not being efficient for them in offense, although playing with a person like Donovan does reduce even your chances to showcase your offense as he doesn't let go of the ball.
The lac of Rudy offense and Mitchell defense should’ve complemented each other. I honestly think they could’ve had more progress if Snyder stepped down sooner. If they had gotten a fresh voice sooner they could’ve tried a different look rather than running it bac year after year. Not only that but a fresh and powerful voice could’ve nipped the drama in the bud. He could’ve made it a win or leave situation a lot sooner and maybe that could’ve curbed the divaness in the loccer room. Another big problem is the fact they gave Mitch the keys too early, he didn’t and doesn’t deserve the keys. Gobert grinded from a bust to 3 time dpoy. Their entire defense was successful solely because of him, that perimeter has been getting torched for years. People are just catching on because of social media. Yea Mitch is a guaranteed buccet, but that’s it. You can build/ rebuild around Gobert. You can’t with Mitch. He needs the ball too much and doesn’t do anything else but score. It’s not like he’s a luka type where he’s a yea I need the ball, and yea I may score a lot, but best believe I’m setting my team up just as much and I’ll pass on my shot off a better one anytime. Mitch won’t do that, so now you HAVE to add another ball handler to run the offense, but he’ll never be able to run the offense if Mitch has the ball all the time. The only reason I can partially accept them getting rid of Gobert is the draft capital(which is a risk based off history) and his contract. But I honestly don’t gaf about his contract BECAUSE HE EARNED IT! He deserves every dollar regardless of his lac of offense. If you as a team focus on that with him he can make more apart of his game. He showed his potential when he avg 19 &12 🤷🏾♂️. But bac to the contracts, Rudy deserves his money and shouldn’t be penalized for it where as Mitch ain’t did a damn thing warrant such a huge contract. They gone have to get rid of him if they really want ti rebuild. The only way you rebuild with Mitch as your starter is you bring in a voice and brain like Lebron cp3 or rondo to run your 1 and force Mitch to play off ball at 2 like d book. If he swallowed his ego and did that he has the potential to be the next wade esc player on offense, if not better with his consistent 3. That’s why I’m curious to see how it’s gone work if he does go to the knics. Jb went there cuz he wanted to run his team, Mitch gone want the same thing. But if Mitch can accept the 2 and let jb cook at 1 they can be lethal. Like a younger cp and book no cap
To sum it up I think the main problem is that gobert and mitchell was never really meant to play with each other. Gobert is an elite interior defender but suck at perimeter D and offense, and mitchell is a prolific scorer but not a good defender. I mean the two of them is only great at one aspect of the game, then sucks at the other.
Dude, I’ve been watching these videos for a while, and the editing has gotten so good! For a small channel, this feels like it has so much energy. Hope more people check this out soon!
Rudy Gobert can’t dribble more than once or twice. For being one of the highest paid Centers in the league he is the least skilled on the offensive end. He ultimately should be blamed for most of the Jazz’s struggles.
😂😂😂😂😂😂he’s literally just there to protect the paint, set screens and P&R opportunities, you know what that sounds like to me. LITERALLY ANY OTHER CENTER IN THE LEAGUE
@@WestCoastCheeseHead other centers have 3 DPOYs ok.... he can only absolutely shut down the paint and everything you mentioned. ONLY. You say only as if every other center can do what he does at that level, they can't. Rudy Gobert is one of the greatest defenders the league has ever known
you know shaq and dwayne in 06 they tried replicating that but failed because of defence (outside of rudy) and there offense kinda cuz until they got mike and bogdan dm had to carry the offence
I feel bad for Gobert and AD this year. They had to carry their shitty defenses on the perimeter despite it not having to be their jobs in the first place. Hope Gobert gets a ring (he def not getting in Minnesota unless there's a bit overhaul)
AD is trash, hes not even a true center, hes just an oversized power forward. He better be blocking them perimeter shots. Gobert and AD aren't built the same. Gobert is more like a Marc Gasol type, no way they were suppose to block perimeter shots as a 7'0" bruiser, unlike those lanky 7'0" like Durant. True centers should never be expected to block perimeter shots, their job is to stop the other bruisers from dominating the paint (ex. Jokic, Embiid, Valunciunas).
There is a difference between a star and a superstar.There is a difference between a winner and a lethal winner.Some guys are extremely talented but to win you a ring all by themselves,it won’t happen Example is KD Russ Harden and many more
Clickbait title ngl. The fault should be held in their FO, not the players. They had an excellent offensive rotation for years in Donovan, Conley, Ingles, and Bojan. All of their starters have no defensive prowess but Rudy Gobert is such an defensive monster at protecting the paint that he can bolster a top ten defense in the regular season. They get 'exposed' in the playoffs because elite offensive players can punish their drop coverage with three pointers. None of the Jazz perimeter players can chase around screens, have good off-ball awareness, or just good at defense in general. Rudy is the glue that keeps them together. Their FO has made zero moves to improve their obvious short comings. What they need is at least some permieter defenders that can play their drop coverage and still have ok offensive value. Donovan and Rudy did their jobs. It is unreasonable to expect them to become great at everything.
@@randomvandal5730 Its more nuanced then just saying "they failed" and blaming on the players. They were still a perrenial playoff team and even held the one seed in the west. All the blame is being put on the players but their FO didn't address any of there weaknesses
@@Recurses They are still a perennial all star team and even held the one seed in the west. There is alot of nuance you are leaving out just by saying "they failed". Sure you can blame player weaknesses but theres only so much a player can do. The F0 addressed none of their weaknesses by getting guys that are good at permieter defense.
I dont see much of it as Gobert’s fault. He is the only good defender on the team and is forced to guard everyone. How does anyone expect this man to guard small guards who are so much more agile and quick.
Snyder deserves alot of this blame - I don’t care who you are, ANYONE can be taught to give effort and hustle on defense. That’s the coach’s fault for not demanding more.
no large center can ever defend the perimeter, it has never been done, somehow Gobert is the exception. Their job has always been anchoring the paint. Marc Gasol couldn't defend the perimeter even if he tried but he anchored the paint and that alone was paramount to the Raptors winning a chip in 2019. Gobert is the best at that role today, he was just not used effectively and strategically by the team. A heavy 7'0" center should never be asked to close out and block a perimeter shot. Utah just had no chemistry.
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Rudy Gobert was carrying that team defensively but he somehow gets most of the blame because he can’t guard the perimeter as a 7’0 center?? Also no one has ever said the Jazz are real title contenders
not even the year they were the 1st seed?
@@judoka. no? The Suns Nets Bucks and Clippers were all title contenders and better than the jazz
Yea that’s true like wtf do you expect to happen if Rudy gobert guards Kylie or steph?
@@allanflores25 Wish I could huard kylie jenner
@@allanflores25 Fr people be dragging him for not being crazy mobile. Like we know, he makes up for it with crazy interior defense just like any other great rim protector. That'd be like me dragging Marcus Smart for not locking down Joel Embiid in the post.
The battle between Jamal Murray and Donovan Mitchell in the playoffs is one of the greatest I've seen. Iconic.
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@@carloancelotti_6It was just a sad moment when how emotional Mitchell was after that game😢. Future mvp
Facts playoff Murray is a different breed fr same with playoff Jimmy
Bro jazz, portland and denver used to have death matches bro. I rememeber watching
You guys fail to forget that the jazz set rudy up to fail with having some shitty perimeter defenders and having him fend for himself...
He gonna do better in Minnesota
@@nathanarevalos3643 probably I’m a warriors fan but if he wins a ring the jazz are going to fuck themselves and Donavan is never winning another ring and oh he’s going to get traded if that happens for sure
@@nathanarevalos3643 y’all really expect bro do guard dudes on the perimeter
Bro the perimeter defenders were basically forced to have to guard 4v5 cuz Gobert was in the paint and the other team had 5 dudes at the 3 point line. That system is set up to fail no matter what defense was played
@@user-gm5gc1be4w they don’t make rotations well, other teams play the same scheme and it works wonders. If your perimeter guys don’t hustle or fight on screens, it’s wraps
I felt the Jazz never attempted to fix their biggest issue, perimeter defense. They never got that 2-way player that could play on both ends of the floor, I always wish they would try to trade for Robert Covington or Jerami Grant, but they didn't seem interested, they just kept doing the same thing over and over again.
This comment. I like Mitchell, but to say his defense is lackluster would be an understatement. I always felt he somehow escaped a lot of criticism when the Jazz failed.
Jae crowder and joe ingles played the roles decently. When they lost both of them, it was a mess
They had a potential all-defense perimeter defender... He just didn't care. And yes if you wonder that guy is Donovan Mitchell
They should’ve been agressive in trading for jrue holiday too when he became available
@@DrDoomBloom it is Mitchell. They are so many people like Mitchell in the league but they don’t have as many good teammates as Mitchell
jazz had 0 capable perimeter defenders but yet people continue to think rudy was exposed 💀
Yep. As good as Mitchell, Conley, Bogdonovic & Clarkson was on offense. They gave it all & more back up with their horrible perimeter defense.
Hopefully Vanderbilt and Beverley will alleviate some of that perimeter defense woes.
@@Phonsuk which is so stupid because Conley and bogdonovic were such great defenders. All they had to was mature their defense with their age like Chris Paul but they instead decided to forget how to play defense
They expect gobert to be on the paint and do his job while also needing to help at the outside because gobert's teammates can't do their job. Gobert is a great defender but he can't go 1v5 on the defense
both statements can be true. Jazz had 0 perimeter defense and Gobert got exposed.
I always wonder how the coach doesn’t get much blame for his schemes getting picked apart during the playoffs?
Exactly he should’ve just subbed out Gobert and put in Royce O Neal at Center to matchup against the Clippers small ball center. Like the Clippers literally had Batum and Morris at center
Facts, snyder (not sure if correct name) the coach should adjust his line ups lmao
@@user-gm5gc1be4w Royce o Neil is freaking overrated
@@cdeleon3494 Quinn Snyder
@@simsingh8492 FACTS
ROYCE ONEAL IS A BUM
I will always have a special place for this team when they knocked out the 2018 OKC Thunder.
Where u from, this was a great comment
One of the most impressive basketball channels on TH-cam. So glad I found this channel, everything is so amazingly well done. Fantastic work
As much Mitchell, Conley & Bogdonovic provided offense they gave it back up with their horrible defense. They always had to blow out teams to win.
Conley was a great defender look at his time I memphis
@@braysonplayz4298 he wasn’t in Utah though. He’s old.
“Now it was time to wait and see if hayward would put the pen to the paperrrr”
“He didn’t”
💀💀💀💀
Rudy and Donovan definitely had some interesting moments together as a team, but it’ll be interesting to dive into the main reasons on how all of this went down.
This channel is super great when it comes to this stuff, love the vids
Donovan shouldn’t even be in a conversation of what’s wrong with the jazz. Nigga do his part
@@alwayyssgone exactly ! I hope they trade him to a team that he can succeed on
@@alwayyssgone yeah not play defense
@@alwayyssgone It's all about Mitchell's fault.
He is just a little Diva, thinking that he is the best player in the world and that the whole organisation is ruling around him.
I hate this guy !
@@SWISH_officialytb cry
the jazz were one of my favorite teams to watch over the past few seasons. Mitchell’s been one of my favorite players since the moment he stepped into the league. it’s crazy how fast we all went from bringing fascinated by their high-powered offense to being disgusted with the team and praying that they’d just break that core up.
Mannn u speaking facts they had a great team.maybe the best in west
I’m watching after Mitchell dropped 71💀
why to remember how trash he actually is unless he takes 50 shots a game
I'm watching after Brunson cooked Mitchell once again in round one
@@noblevisions643he’s a fantastic efficient scorer, not to mention an amazing playoff performer
@@chilldoc9638 is that why the jazz traded him after all the playoffs he played in when they were eliminated especially as the 1 seed 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@noblevisions643 him and Gobert never fit…
Another awesome vid bro. Sometimes I forget small details about a team over the years. Watching everything play out in a long form vid is always super entertaining and you add so much with your commentary.
Well done… I’m a life long Jazz fan, super disappointed with the way the Mitchell Gobert era ended. You did your homework in putting this video together. Great job 👍
Watching a Utah game now is like watching a car crash in slow motion
Dude this video was so well put together, as a Jazz fan you literally nailed a complex timeline. Mad props.
Rudy's time on the Jazz(especially in the 2021 Playoffs) was one of the most contentious stints for a player and their team I've seen in a while, with some pretty sound arguments for and against his playstyle. Unfortunately, those arguments might be the only thing people will remember about this team down the line...
lol media brainwashed ass rudy n donavan r young as hell rudy the multiple defense player of year lol young ass donavan took y’all on those back to back playoff runs y’all ungrateful as fuk i swear
It’s funny to think how when Rudy Gobert was drafted he was definitely like an unknown 60 overall in 2k and I loved putting him on my team as just one of the tallest players in the league
Funny thing is that he was actually the lowest rated player in the game as a rookie at a 52 IIRC.
@@TheChosenMoose01damn 😭😭
@@TippedScale Pretty sure he was a 52 lmao
This video was really well done. Sums up the pains of being a Jazz fan, but I still love them and always will.
Pain. But also regardless of what happened that 2020-21 season was so much fun. Jordan Clarkson getting sixth man. Shooting all those threes. It was a great time to be a fan
Honestly think u do the best deep dives on TH-cam everything is set up so nice and the attention to detail is great keep it up
Basically the Jazz were the Lob City Clippers 2.0. Just a good regular season team but come playoff time, they come short. But we all knew they weren’t serious contenders ironically.
Clippers were serious contenders in 14 and 15
No the current clippers are the lob city clippers 2.0 🤣 maybe they'll win this year.
the wait for the uploads are always worth it.
Gobert not improving offensively, while DM didn’t improve defensively combined with the lack of capable perimeter defenders killed this team. At the same time though a good portion of fault lies with the coaching staff. Too many winnable series were bungled.
Gobert couldn't improve offensively, as the coach and other players, except for Joe Ingles, never managed to give him the ball on a couple plays. Even if a player develop some offensive skills during off-season and in training, he can't get any better if he has no opportunity to use them on the court during a match.
Brook Lopez become a good 3-pt shooter, for a center, because he was allowed to shoot 3s in-game.
EXACTLY
@@Chocolouf I very much doubt that Brook Lopez statement. Before you get the chance to shoot them in game, you have to show you can make them in training. If you claim Gobert has only attempted 11 threes in his career (and missed all) because they won''t let him, I'd answer it's because he can't make threes.
You out here acting like he could shoot 30% if only given the chance. If he could he'd have it. Clearly he can''t.
I think Mitchell actually regressed a ton defensively after carrying more offensive load
@@_Feanor_. I never wrote that, and you completely misread my statement.
Anytime you post man I get hyped
As a Utah Jazz fan it’s been so fun to watch this team play then when they get to the playoffs it’s disappointing other then the amount of point’s Donavan scores mad respect to all the other jazz fans that have been disappointed all of these years
Rudy was great, but Mitchell was the main problem. Rudy saved the Jazz defensively but the problem was that the Jazz needed perimeter defense and Mitchell was a liability when it came to defending other star guards. Rudy did everything he could do but Mitchell didn't do enough as the "face" of the franchise.
Both had problems, gobert was a liability against smaller teams and lacked offensive power
The Jazz defense had to guard 5 3 point shooters with only 4 defenders cuz Gobert could only stay in the paint. It was gonna fail no matter what if they continued to play like that
@@user-gm5gc1be4w Nah the real issue is the whole team shot 27% from 3 that series with 5 of those games being within 10 points. Even with the trouble on defense they really lost to late game empty possessions and not passing to Gobert who was 64% from the field yet only got to score 6 times a game.
@@yourbarber6732 it’s cuz Mitchell didn’t trust Gobert with the ball and would never pass to him even if he was open. In my opinion, this was mostly Mitchell’s fault.
@@sapaiVFX Exactly lmfao I’ve seen ppl go off about Gobert, Conley, and Bogdonavic like Donovan wasn’t putting up 20+ shots a game on 40/21/88 splits. I feel like too many ppl just look at ppg and call it a day
your videos are literally a work of art. good job man
The amount of time you put in this was is impeccable
Keep up the great work ❤
Mf you ain't even watch the video yet
@@neptunedg1587 I already know it’s gonna be a banger, so there’s no need dawg
@@niceone4407 you right Dylan doesn't miss
I always say the ironic part is a versatile wing who can score, play make, & play defense like Hayward (who was an all star) was the only piece this Jazz team needed.
Mitchell was just traded to the cavs so this era is officially over
The thing to remember is that Gobert was a 27th pick. Mitchell 13th. You can't expect players drafted at those spots to not have some glaring flaws, and much of the rest of the roster was the same. I loved this team, but I'm not surprised they flamed out in the playoffs. Of their top nine guys, they were relying on so many guys in their mid-thirties (Conley, Bogdanovic, Ingles) or players who has simply never been reliable defensively (Clarkson, Mitchell, most of the old guys too). They got away with it in the regular season thanks to spacing and Gobert cleaning up mistakes, but it would never work once a foe could gameplan against you and repeatedly target the weaker defenders and pull Gobert out of the paint, as we saw season after season.
Its been years dude. Where they were drafted is Irrelevant at this point
Klay Thompson was a number 11 pick and draymond was a 2nd round pick. Hell, the current back to back mvp was a 2nd round pick. You don’t need lottery picks if you can develop talent
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what kind of logic is this? you know how many 1st overall picks have been complete busts?
@@Romanus- true but when’s the last time the jazz were in the lottery. It’s hard to build a championship team without a lottery pick.
most underrated NBA channel on youtube, love the editing style you use. You acutally take the time to make quality videos unlike so many other clickbait garbage nba channels on youtube. Amazing video as always
This is amazing content, I love it!! An idea for future content is 'How Kevin Durant Ruined his Career by leaving the OKC Thunder', that could detail how KD joining the Warriors ruined his all-time legacy, as well as joining the Nets to play with Kyrie ruined his remaining prime years due to the uncertainty of the Kyrie Irving and James Harden situations. Just an idea my man, but keep up the great content, I love all of it!
This channel absolutely needs more attention
The microphone thing was funny. Him testing positive after was even funnier. I had no idea it would cause this much strain. I mean I would be angry too but not that angry.
Keep It up with the Documentaries! I love watching them
I wish nothing but the best for Rudy in Minnesota. I hope he gets a ring one day
Yeah, I think they have a good chance at making the WCF
Rudy GoGay should be in prison
@@brianalaundrie6192 yeah ok
@@zelsego23 are you smoking Cali weed?
@@zelsego23 lmaoooo good one
Can’t believe I’m just now seeing this but great video man. As a Jazz fan, this was hard to watch and relive.
I feel bad for ole Rudy. Man was 1 V 5ing every night on defense.
editing is so good, love this channel
Donovan Mitchell is my favorite player. Such a shame to see him struggle in Utah
your channel is pure gold great work as always
I was one of donovan mitchell’s earliest supporters. I watched his draft day livestream and was freaking the hell out when I saw my Jazz of all teams were trading up to draft him. And I shot my step dad a text talking about “omg imagine Gordon and Donovan Mitchell on the same team”, and obviously he didn’t really care, because Donovan Mitchell was just a random late lottery pick, a lot like Trey Lyles or Alec Burks.
Then we went to those summer league games and I was immediately vindicated.
I’ll always love this era of Jazz ball. I dont even care how dysfunctional it was. Whatever. We’re never winning a championship, I’m resigned to that because for some reason people from outside Utah just really fucking hate Utah and hate the idea of living here as though we’re all Amish people who banned drinking alcohol, but at least we have the potential to be fun, and we were really fun during this era.
oh to relive this tragic duo. They were just never on the same page and the team just never had the talent or effort on defense as a whole. at least it was always fun to predict which team would knock them out in the playoffs.
You know a team is cursed when a team that’s never been to the Conference Finals in their 51 years advances to the conference finals over them.
💀💀
What was it? Nuggets or clippers?
@@moonwolf8470 clippers. Nuggets made it the year before
@@robinilouga oh yea, I got the timeline wrong lol.
Yep, like the Philadelphia 76ers
I’ve been waiting for another upload! Glad to see it!
Wow, really interesting and thorough accounting. As a warriors fan, I always feared the Jazz in the regular season. No idea why they always disappointed in the playoffs. I don’t blame Rudy. More the lack of perimeter defense and the ability to scheme and game plan in the playoffs. Hopefully they can rebuild in the next few years.
It’s because Gobert is unplayable in the playoffs. Teams just go small and abuse his slow footwork in PnR’s. Since he has zero offensive game he can’t punish teams for going small by scoring in the paint. The guy literally has made zero improvement on offense since his first year in the league till now. I don’t think it’s too much to ask for him to have 2 or 3 post moves if you’re paid like a superstar. Like Mcgrady said, what is he working on in the off-season? It’s crazy that a max player doesn’t even have a single post move
@@Romanus- You really know nothing, Gobert wasn't to blame, the other 4 players playing no perimeter defense were the reason they got abused. A center isn't supposed to be a good reliable exterior defender. Regarding his offensive skillset, Snyder and the other players, except for Ingles, never passed him the ball.
My day gets instantly better when dylan drops.
You go boy, your channel is taking off
That clipper series really tore them apart. Terance Mann sent them to a lottery team, my goodness.
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With how much media shits on Rudy I’m glad to see so many people use common sense when it came to just how bad the entire teams defense was. I’m glad he’s gone from the team that hated him so much
Gobert deserves a lot of the blame because he’s so one dimensional
I absolutely love your videos. I’m a magic fan and I can’t help but to think you could make a really great video about our franchise and how they had 2 failed attempts at a championship when we had 2 dynamic fun teams, their collapse, and hopefully their rise back to being relevant again with our #1 pick and bright young core.
20:01 the Jazz didn't squander it, Mitchell turned the ball over with 13 seconds left and cost them the game. They were so lucky that Denver missed the layup and Conley got a chance to even attempt a game winning shot.
I would consider that squandering. The turnover was definitely squandering and the missed 3 was just a cherry on top
The Jazz also got lucky the refs didn't call Rudy out of bounds on that sequence.
I'm from Utah and am a die hard Jazz fan and part of me missed this era of ball. Rudy and Donovan were so fun to watch especially in the regular season ,but the result was always the same after June they chocked in the playoffs because they prioritized offense to much ,and left Rudy with no defensive help all while giving Donovan role players that could contribute to his stats but didn't help much else. I'm glad we are rebuilding now it's going to take time before we are contenders again ,but it's better to be bad now with a organization that has a great team builder like Danny Ainge (Even though the new rebrand is awful.) than regular season stars that fail to do anything great.
As a jazz fan this will hurt
Dang man as a jazz fan this was brutal to watch. But it did remind me of the great times I had in the 2018 thunder series. Went to 2 of those games, good times.
Let me just say though, despite the fact that the Mitchell-Gobert era didn't pan out the way they wanted, you have to give it up to the entire Jazz who tried their best to capitalize on this but just fell short:
- The front office were able to trade for Mitchell who wasn't really seen as a franchise changing player. Lucky them since Hayward would leave in the following free agency that came after. They then tried surrounding Mitchell and Gobert with more offensive players which sacrificed their defense but immensely improved their offense
- Coach Quin Snyder then made adjustments to his offense with the more offensive minded roster he was given with and it showed with a historic offense. Was it too simplified? Yes, but it worked wonders for them for the most part
Wherever the Jazz go from here on out, hope they can build to be true contenders once again
It’ll all be up to how they draft and if their player development staff can improve bc it’ll be at least 3-4 years before the young players they’ll be drafting can form into a contender
Yal wont understand how special this team was and how special this part of donovans career was until like 10 years down the line. Going to miss don so much.. thanks for everything my boy.. honestly might be his best stretch of his career when all is said and done. Will always cheer him on when he comes home and hope we can get him back one day. Changed the culture. JAZZ FANS BETTER SHOW THEY FUCKING RESPECT. Hate other jazz fans sometimes
can't fail an organization that's so good at failing, and coming up short.
As a jazz fan this was painful to watch, glad danny ainge is finally cleaning house so we can finally have a direction instead of being in no man’s land. Great video loved the in depth dive into my favorite team
Outside of gobert there was no perimeter defense which led to his workload being heavy on the defensive end….but also outside of D Mitchell there was no offensive Creation….keep tht in mind
Good video, as new follower of Jazz this upcoming season (Because Lauri fan). This was good recap of how Mitchell & Gobert era looked like, it seems trouble was with ball hogging Mitchell and Gobert just not being efficient for them in offense, although playing with a person like Donovan does reduce even your chances to showcase your offense as he doesn't let go of the ball.
The lac of Rudy offense and Mitchell defense should’ve complemented each other. I honestly think they could’ve had more progress if Snyder stepped down sooner. If they had gotten a fresh voice sooner they could’ve tried a different look rather than running it bac year after year. Not only that but a fresh and powerful voice could’ve nipped the drama in the bud. He could’ve made it a win or leave situation a lot sooner and maybe that could’ve curbed the divaness in the loccer room. Another big problem is the fact they gave Mitch the keys too early, he didn’t and doesn’t deserve the keys. Gobert grinded from a bust to 3 time dpoy. Their entire defense was successful solely because of him, that perimeter has been getting torched for years. People are just catching on because of social media. Yea Mitch is a guaranteed buccet, but that’s it. You can build/ rebuild around Gobert. You can’t with Mitch. He needs the ball too much and doesn’t do anything else but score. It’s not like he’s a luka type where he’s a yea I need the ball, and yea I may score a lot, but best believe I’m setting my team up just as much and I’ll pass on my shot off a better one anytime. Mitch won’t do that, so now you HAVE to add another ball handler to run the offense, but he’ll never be able to run the offense if Mitch has the ball all the time. The only reason I can partially accept them getting rid of Gobert is the draft capital(which is a risk based off history) and his contract. But I honestly don’t gaf about his contract BECAUSE HE EARNED IT! He deserves every dollar regardless of his lac of offense. If you as a team focus on that with him he can make more apart of his game. He showed his potential when he avg 19 &12 🤷🏾♂️. But bac to the contracts, Rudy deserves his money and shouldn’t be penalized for it where as Mitch ain’t did a damn thing warrant such a huge contract. They gone have to get rid of him if they really want ti rebuild. The only way you rebuild with Mitch as your starter is you bring in a voice and brain like Lebron cp3 or rondo to run your 1 and force Mitch to play off ball at 2 like d book. If he swallowed his ego and did that he has the potential to be the next wade esc player on offense, if not better with his consistent 3. That’s why I’m curious to see how it’s gone work if he does go to the knics. Jb went there cuz he wanted to run his team, Mitch gone want the same thing. But if Mitch can accept the 2 and let jb cook at 1 they can be lethal. Like a younger cp and book no cap
pov: you need a certain amount of words in ur essay
Sad to see those duo break. Man if only they could hit the shots that is needed.
To sum it up I think the main problem is that gobert and mitchell was never really meant to play with each other.
Gobert is an elite interior defender but suck at perimeter D and offense, and mitchell is a prolific scorer but not a good defender. I mean the two of them is only great at one aspect of the game, then sucks at the other.
Dude, I’ve been watching these videos for a while, and the editing has gotten so good! For a small channel, this feels like it has so much energy. Hope more people check this out soon!
Rudy Gobert gets too much hate. He's much better than people give him credit for.
He's soft in the playoffs
Rudy Gobert can’t dribble more than once or twice. For being one of the highest paid Centers in the league he is the least skilled on the offensive end.
He ultimately should be blamed for most of the Jazz’s struggles.
the media brain wash bro 😂😂😂it’s crazy donovan n rudy took y’all on those playoff runs while under 25 smh this hate is ridiculous
😂😂😂😂😂😂he’s literally just there to protect the paint, set screens and P&R opportunities, you know what that sounds like to me. LITERALLY ANY OTHER CENTER IN THE LEAGUE
@@WestCoastCheeseHead other centers have 3 DPOYs ok.... he can only absolutely shut down the paint and everything you mentioned. ONLY. You say only as if every other center can do what he does at that level, they can't. Rudy Gobert is one of the greatest defenders the league has ever known
Keep up the great content!
mitchell really just got traded to the cavs
Your content is top tier
who’s watching this video after the donovan mitchell trade?
As a Jazz fan, I always knew this video would come out eventually.... hurts man. Really hurts.
Bae wake up Dylan uploaded
Great video man
I remember saying the jazz vs sixers was going to be the finals match up in 2021....
That wasn't farfetched since both teams were #1 seeds that year.
Been waiting for a upload for 3 weeks now !! Thank you , I subscribed 3 weeks ago lol saw every video
The last part where Rudy said it was either me or Donavon sounded like Kobe and Shaq just minus the winning
Man. This was my second season of watching nba and I am only 30. Loved this squad.
and now they lost mitchell
Always love your videos
As a twolves fan I’m exited to see what rudy can do with our team but I’m also terrified
My condolences
rip bro
Dylan man! Love the videos! You’re awesome. I know a lot of work go into these videos but I need moreee! Maybe once a week uploads ?
you know shaq and dwayne in 06 they tried replicating that but failed because of defence (outside of rudy) and there offense kinda cuz until they got mike and bogdan dm had to carry the offence
I love these videos
I feel bad for Gobert and AD this year. They had to carry their shitty defenses on the perimeter despite it not having to be their jobs in the first place. Hope Gobert gets a ring (he def not getting in Minnesota unless there's a bit overhaul)
AD? AD barely played this year bruh.
Lakers was shitty on defense for sure but Ad barely played
AD is trash, hes not even a true center, hes just an oversized power forward. He better be blocking them perimeter shots. Gobert and AD aren't built the same. Gobert is more like a Marc Gasol type, no way they were suppose to block perimeter shots as a 7'0" bruiser, unlike those lanky 7'0" like Durant. True centers should never be expected to block perimeter shots, their job is to stop the other bruisers from dominating the paint (ex. Jokic, Embiid, Valunciunas).
Wow great videos on this channel! Good production quality, narration and animations and transitions. Keep up the good work!
There is a difference between a star and a superstar.There is a difference between a winner and a lethal winner.Some guys are extremely talented but to win you a ring all by themselves,it won’t happen
Example is KD Russ Harden and many more
Sounds like all 3
Great video !!
Clickbait title ngl.
The fault should be held in their FO, not the players. They had an excellent offensive rotation for years in Donovan, Conley, Ingles, and Bojan. All of their starters have no defensive prowess but Rudy Gobert is such an defensive monster at protecting the paint that he can bolster a top ten defense in the regular season.
They get 'exposed' in the playoffs because elite offensive players can punish their drop coverage with three pointers. None of the Jazz perimeter players can chase around screens, have good off-ball awareness, or just good at defense in general. Rudy is the glue that keeps them together.
Their FO has made zero moves to improve their obvious short comings. What they need is at least some permieter defenders that can play their drop coverage and still have ok offensive value.
Donovan and Rudy did their jobs. It is unreasonable to expect them to become great at everything.
they still failed because of their terrible flaws...
But they failed tf
@@randomvandal5730 Its more nuanced then just saying "they failed" and blaming on the players.
They were still a perrenial playoff team and even held the one seed in the west.
All the blame is being put on the players but their FO didn't address any of there weaknesses
@@Recurses They are still a perennial all star team and even held the one seed in the west.
There is alot of nuance you are leaving out just by saying "they failed". Sure you can blame player weaknesses but theres only so much a player can do. The F0 addressed none of their weaknesses by getting guys that are good at permieter defense.
@@coledorillo6685 wdym so much when Donovan Mitchell doesn't even try on defense and Rudy doesn't even work on he's offense
yet another great vid 💯
I dont see much of it as Gobert’s fault. He is the only good defender on the team and is forced to guard everyone. How does anyone expect this man to guard small guards who are so much more agile and quick.
So maybe he isn’t as good of a defender as you think he is??
@@kRzlamchop Have you really used your brain before writing that comment?
@@Chocolouf so being too slow too guard guards in a pass? Smh. Then be smarter and come up with better schemes with your team.
@@kRzlamchop You realise Gobert wasn't the coach, right?
did anyone actually think that a team with rudy gobert as their second best player would ever make deep playoff runs ??!? 🤦🏻♂️
Watched the Jazz play against my Mavs in the playoffs and can honestly say they were the better team. Donovan Mitchell didn’t even try that series.
I’m not going to lie I’m 23 and just now finding your account I’m maturing beautiful and so are you great channel and u got my sub 🙏
Snyder deserves alot of this blame - I don’t care who you are, ANYONE can be taught to give effort and hustle on defense. That’s the coach’s fault for not demanding more.
Nah, some players are hard headed and if you push them too hard they can and will get you fired
I’m not the biggest NBA fan. But these videos make the NBA seem way cooler than it is
no large center can ever defend the perimeter, it has never been done, somehow Gobert is the exception. Their job has always been anchoring the paint. Marc Gasol couldn't defend the perimeter even if he tried but he anchored the paint and that alone was paramount to the Raptors winning a chip in 2019. Gobert is the best at that role today, he was just not used effectively and strategically by the team. A heavy 7'0" center should never be asked to close out and block a perimeter shot. Utah just had no chemistry.
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