BiB Brothers in Boots Vol 21 Price Point Expectations on Boots
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 มิ.ย. 2024
- Volume 21 of boot discussion with Mike & Jeff. A Talk about Price Point Expectations on Boots
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I hope all of the pnw uncensored watch this I'm tired of telling them that their slight imperfection is completely normal
I made it! Bless you too!
The last oak bark tannery in the USA that specialized in sole and midsole leather closed in 2004. The company was Westan tanning Co. based out of Westfield, PA. I believe the Tannery that closed in 1972 that you were referring to is the Elkland Tanning Co. which is approx 15 miles from Westfield. My dad used to work at Westan until it closed in 2004. I think Whickett and Craig or Herman Oak tanneries would have the capability of making this type of leather. However, they would have to dial in the recipe for it and they would need a customer willing to commit to them to produce this type of leather so they could afford to dial it in.
Nicks, jk, whites, wesco. Own all. Love them all. And oddly love the imperfections. Especially on the whites when hand stitched. It’s amazing that they can even sell at the $500- $700 price point with the work in them
Amen
The base for Brandle is Wickett. It goes up 300 to Calf then Shell is the highest price point.
You are right...but b4 it was announced, and at the pre-announcement event, that was far from clear. Lots of information said otherwise.
At the price point where you stated designer footwear started coming in, I think there is an observation to be made on the second hand market. I go on grailed occassionally to see if I will ever have my day scoring a cheaper pair of nicks for example, and I get assulted by waves after waves of balienciaga and gucci. Last search I did was a week ago and the only result I found was a pair of near new whites cruiser in my size for 300.
Edit : Oh I forgot to make my point. It really seems like designer brands are currently the opposite of exclusivity. That said, I paid full 500+ for my newest pair of oakstreet and it has an extra stitch hole that wasn't being used because someone let the needle go the extra mile lmao. It's not obvious if you're not looking for it so I'm not complaining.
Yeah, some of those designer ones get pumped out of Chinese factories and bombard us.
@@cloveroak5492 There is a very recent video from Corter Leather about a week ago where a LV fraud department determined the authentic (but old) LV bags the man was cutting up to upcycle as wallets was fake because they couldn't tell it apart from fakes. The entire debacle is comedy gold
there is an old adage. "poor people cannot afford cheap shoes or cheap mattresses, as you spend half of your life on one and the other half of your life on the other"
Great episode guys. The guys on the Nicks subreddit need to watch this lol. Btw Vibergs are machine lasted and machine stitched.
That is one thing that has always turned me off from vibergs. The very idea that at their price range, most of their competition (though the PNWs are workwear forward) are handlasted boots. Even oakstreet at 500+ range have switched to handlasting. Machine stitching doesn't turn me off as much, for pieces without tension needed on them, like the task of joining together loose panels etc, I daresay machine stitching is the superior option. Viberg might be unbeatable for their last and leather choices but I'll rather risk it with Nicks for example.
No, you can still get thoros for $250 or maybe even less on AMZN supposedly right now. I caution that they run a bit narrow in the toe. I think Carolina has models on there for below $200 and had a pair of Herman S that lasted quite some time for what's it worth. I think Thurs is definitely cutting some OTHER corners now even if they are overseeing the parts in each model just to keep the price artificially at that place. I guess they're still fine for what they are, but I'm less impressed than if they upgraded everything and charged the extra fifty bucks or whatever. I've likely said this before. I've never owned Timberland because I always put them in the same overhyped category as D Marten, but the Golden Fox are passable comfort enough for the price if you know you're going to trash them and don't want to spend the extra for the Thoros, etc.
See, I've also said before that I think this $300 - $600 category is more for suckers almost than the lower price boots because, depending upon the brand, I don't necessarily see where all the extra money is going. Some, sure, but then it depends upon the job you do and all that. I've definitely had Payless boots last longer than 6 months and Thom McAn and some others and I paid less than a hundred bucks for them at the time which is MAYBE $300 now?
I've still had sizing issues with BOTH Oak St. and Truman that which they don't run exactly and TR is almost as bad for no wide width as Thursday, right? Tr got rid of that other last that I liked better, that I've surely mentioned previously, too. J&M don't cost that much that I know of, but most their models don't come in my size except the bottom budget ones.
I tried to look into Schmidt but he never replied to my comments so I have no idea what he does in terms of similar to PNW arch support, so I imagine none, same as Wesco?
Some of those diners are where ye get the food poisoning, tho.
I think you guys kind of hit on part of the problem later in the thing about guys who want to LOOK like they are wearing tough boots who don't NEED tough boots, so the lines blur between what used to be WORK boots that are now called "Heritage" boots but can't really be USED as work boots and expect the same results as the old work boots. Again, those guys would be just as well off to save the dough and buy the $250 boots instead of the $400 boots, but if they REALLY must LOOK tough, they're still paying $600 for Nick's or other PNW boots, I guess.
I like to have dressy boots AND work boots but I guess I've paid more for some of the work boots than the dressy boots, so I hope they last a long time even if looking perfect wasn't the complete end goal like I said about the leather choices there before regarding Nick's vs. Frank's. But since I'm not using them for extreme work scenarios in the foreseeable future, I DO hope they last a few several good years. BUT this also why those Patriots can't be rebuilt apparently, either, that could be an issue for somebody else but they don't come in my size at that price so I'd be forced to spend the extra to buy from them.
There was some video where the guy had bought 13 pairs over the years or something that I wanted to watch again but couldn't find last week. A lot of guys don't do as many follow-up vids as one would like.
Sometimes our perception of what we are wearing is much more important that other peoples perception. So having the heavier duty boot is still important there even if not utilizing it to that extent.
Then there is perception of longevity. Even if not working it as hard as it is intended, it still may last much longer.
Then there is the people that need the arch in the footbed, so they need the better ones regardless of what they do in them.
Not clear what you were referring to when saying about why the Patriot's can't be rebuilt? The Patriots certainly could be rebuilt. Frank's has said they "could" be rebuilt. Nick's has snarkily said they would be happy to rebuild a Patriot several times. The leather in the Patriot is just as tough and just as thick. Frank's CHOSES not to rebuild it. They do so mostly because it is only like 40 bucks more to buy a brand new pair. But I expect it is also to not tie up their resources for making the rest of their boots.
Guy who bought 13 pairs of what? A particular brand? PNW boots in general? Spokane brands in gerneral? Something else?
@@cloveroak5492 I had watched a vid where the guy said they can't be rebuilt, so I went from what he said but could not figure out WHY. Apparently HE was wrong, but like you said, mostly just not cost-effective BUT they still don't come in my size, so I still have no idea if they are more worth getting for some people, then. But Mike was just saying that the PNW boots WON'T last forever like all the commenters claim, so maybe I would prefer the cheaper ones if I could get them in my size.
Yes, I found that other vid finally and I was less mesmerized watching now than I was when first saw it. I had thought it contained a lot of heavy PNW boots but mostly he had bought a bunch of Drew's logger and Frank's Patriot boots and was playing sizing roulette more than anything else as an excuse for owning multiple pairs. But since he was only spending $300 a time and not waiting four months to get them, it was easier for him to amass a collection in a shorter time than I also thought.
He had also bought a couple Fire Commander ones even though he was not a firefighter, but didn't review them in detail and mostly just talked about the fit of the less expensive pairs and how the Drew's had a less shaped heel counter...
So I guess a follow-up "wear" vid seems less essential now, but other guys have left me hangin', too. People can buy whatever they want, but a lot of the boot channels are guys who don't use the heavy boots for much heavy work so they can't give the greatest real review or scope of REAL longevity and all that.
@@Highland_Paddy I had inherited a pair of red wings pecos 10' safety boots that started their life on an oil rig. I used it when I was working in a construction site. Fortunately the tasks I was doing didn't expose the boots to stuff hazardous to leather longetivity very much and me being city based instead of working remote meant the boots received full TLC. I resoled those boots a couple of times but the uppers stayed in good shape. I've since stopped working in construction so they received a final resole and they live in my wardrobe now. There's bumps, scrathes, nicks and dicoloured areas on the leather uppers sure but I made sure to keep up my leather's brushing and manintenance especially after the day is done. The boots should be around 14 years old when I retired it. In fact, me attempting to prolong the life of that inherited boot was why I got into leather boots and leather care in the first place. PNW boots aren't immortal, but if all you're doing is standing around, walking and the occassional hike to the wilderness, in my opinion there is a good chance of them outliving the owner haha.
I don't think a lot of people understand just how hard you need to wear your boots to wear them down. Even some of videos I've seen Nicks show their logging boots being rebuilt after 6 years of use, their uppers weren't beaten up as bad as you would expect, it just has the issue of the leather upper having accumulated tons of debris in tiny gaps that was starting to act as abrasive and wear out the leather and stitching. Understandable since since loggers don't spend all day everyday cleaning their boots thoroughly. I know my lumberjack relatives never did. Their boots were lucky to received a brushing.
I however also know of some job fields where no matter what boot you get, they're done within 3 years, 5 if you are lucky or keep up your maintenance. The Chinese cheap boots would be done in 3 months from what I have heard.
@@cheekibreeki9155 Um, well I don't really know what the start date of the RWs was before you got them and all that is semi-irrelevant unless they were built BEFORE they all had to change tanning processes, so the point I got from Mike's statement was that you can baby the PNW boots all you want or mistreat them all you want and they will still basically disintegrate from drying out in some time frame?
Should I estimate that at seven years or hope it is double? Maybe ten is a fair estimate for any quality boot??? I guess this will matter more if you are 25 than if you are 45? Will your boots last until retirement if you want to try and only own one pair for $600??? I don't usually take these kinds of equations very seriously because many of them require too many apples-to-oranges scenarios and apparently none of these guys think they can get mildew in their boots if they never change them out or replace their socks or whatever.
I still think Chinese boots will last two or three years if you are just walking around a warehouse even if the leather is thinner than PNW, but the insoles will deteriorate much faster than leather insoles if you are using them almost daily. But like I said, I don't think everyone is automatically using the correct boot for each Use Case or that RW heritage are the same quality as they once were or whatever.
Oh my, Samsung washer/dryer sets are the worst.
Yes that's my comment