That would've been a scary team if they've gotten together a few years earlier. Barkley and Drexler were at end of their prime, Olajuwon only had a few years left in him. I wonder how it would've worked out if Drexler didn't retire in 98 off season, and Pippen had joined them 3? Olajuwon, Barkley, Drexler and Pippen.
They were actually putting up prime numbers year before that superteam. still a superteam tho, barkley saying they are old when they team up but hakeem and chuck are still supertars and clyde is atleast a star.
Honestly it’s very few in the TH-cam world who’s as consistent as Andy is. Also even when I think I know it all when it comes to basketball you drop something that convinced me otherwise. Also your attention to detail and the ability to seek out the context surrounding the situations is damn good.. been a fan since the drose vid
Yep I've said it before. Andy is consistent as ever. He just shows up drops and video and bounces. Without fail. I've been watching and subscribed for about 5 years, since 2017, and in that time Andy has never fallen off. Others like MDJ, CainLovesCali, Bsolz, Legend of Winning, hell even Dom2k have all fallen off content wise. His content is strong.
@@ericglenn9984 mdj wanted to indulge in other ventures and I think everyone else wanna expand their brand into other avenues because you can only do Soo much in the TH-cam world, it's only Soo much content and the competition for viewership is high. Also the pandemic imo put a lot of content creators in tough spots, especially without no basketball a lot of people took they talents over to twitch, and or started podcasting. Honestly I don't even blame em I would imagine more freedom, less stress and definitely less editing
When you take into account that Scottie, Charles, and Drexler were basically over the hill at this point, it’s no wonder why they failed. If they would’ve teamed up a few years earlier then this might’ve been a great super team.
Yeah they were all a little old, a little slower a lot more injuries.. I think this team is more similar to Carmelo Anthony and Dwight Howard joining the lakers how they’re past their prime but Tryna get a ring before they retire like how Chuck was… versus a proper super team that’s just too hard to compete against
That Stockton shot was the first game I watched as a rockets fan, I was so hurt… I don’t think it would make my top 5 most disappointing moments as rockets fan looking back at it now tho lmao
Low key tho Charles Barkley deserved to win a title for sure , but unfortunately his prime years were long gone and he was getting a LOT older than his Phoenix Suns days sadly but yeah it’s just sad he never won a title
barkley had a chance tho, he was drafted by a defending champion, made the finals in 93, choke 3-1 and 2-0 lead with the rockets on back to back years, then join a superteam.
5:50 This happened in the NFL too in the same year, 1998. Barry Sanders had taken a substantial paycut to prevent the Lions from going into cap hell with the understanding that they would use that money to bring quality free agents in to try to win a Super Bowl. The Lions promptly pocketed the money and signed nobody that off season. Angered, justifiably so, Barry retired unless he was traded and never played another game.
@@thetradefedration6663 HOU managed to get 2 against that Utah that managed to get 2 wins against that Bulls. *My guess* is they wont get swept since the NBA that time favors half court game. Not the current NBA that young guys thrives because it's a run, get open and shoot game.
@@august6281 nah most of the best players today can play good to great halfcourt offense, people such as Jimmy butler, Giannis, lebron, embiid, Tatum, Durant, etc.
@@august6281 but Don Nelson started that kinda offense.. (Yes he did) His system was a fast offensive approach.. You can't blame Today's Players for what they learned from the Teachers..
I believe Barkley DID agree to the paycut because it was in 1998 to bring Scottie to Houston, but it was on condition that he would get the money back the following year , and he didnt get it back.
Finally, a video about old school NBA instead of the present generation. This is what I love about Andy and another page known as Stunted Growth because they cover stories from the past.
I think late era Barkley (as well as Malone and Payton) were ring chasers instead of superteam drivers. At one point in their careers, they were drivers, especially Barkley in Suns.
Low-key he didn't, he was lazy, fat out of shape even in his prime. He was TERRIBLE defensively. Didn't know what he was doing defensively. Couldn't guard anyone, only thing he did was camp out in the dunkers' spot waiting for rebounds or play passing lanes looking for steals. Every team he was on outside 1993 had a defensive rating below the league average. PF/C Defense is most critical, so it's not a coincidence.
Dan Marino... Dan Marino was in the NFL destroying records but he couldn't get the big one.. Charles Barkley was doing the same in the NBA but he was stopped short in his tracks when it was time to chase a ring..
Sir Charles has a resume that 98% of every NBA player ever would be envy of. Kenny needs to keep his mouth shut and keep fetching water for the bus driver.
98% Bro it’s more like over 99%. The NBA has had thousands of players and Barkley is easily top 50 all time (if not higher). His peak was absolutely unreal and his Suns team was the toughest series the Bulls had in the finals. One Paxton 3 away from a game 7 in Phoenix.
Unless they agreed to a clause where Chunk's weight had to be maintained or they didn't have to pay him.. my only theory.. Cause man that seems like some Shady Sh_t right there..
@@kenrickkahn That's what I was thinking there had to be a clause. But the way it's covered here it seemed like Barkley didn't know why the money was being taken away.
@@jinkade Seems like some Shady Business there.. my Lawyers would be asking all the right questions after that.. unless it was a clause in his contract or the Rockets tried to avoid the Salary Cap luxury tax..
The best players in the league at that time (MJ, Karl Malone, David Robinson, Ewing, Stockton etc.) were also in their early 30s when the Rocket’s first big three was formed, so no excuses
also Pippen was still a star in 1999 He had just won with the Bulls the year before, posted his playoff career high in points with Houston in ‘99, and the next season almost led the Blazers to the Finals Ewing (who was actually older than Hakeem) & D Rob were still making deep playoff runs with the Knicks & the Spurs in 2000 Barkley was in the same draft class as MJ (had just won Finals MVP the summer before) & Stockton (had just been a back to back NBA finalist) Whole lotta revisionism going on
There's a trend with modern-era super teams: Trade away valuable role players for aging superstars. I don't know why teams continue to do it. It almost never works.
The biggest issue with Durant clapping back at Barkley was he posted pictures of every Barkley team where he WASNT the bus driver. He was a rookie with Moses and Dr. J. He was past his prime in Houston. With Phoenix he managed to go to the finals, and then lost to either the eventual Champs or finals contestants
Those who forget history are forever doomed to repeat it. Trade away up and coming players who are the future of the franchise for star players way past their prime for one more chance at a title. This doesn't work as often as it's done.
@Fries lifelong Rockets fan and absolutely loved Cassell as a kid and even as a teenager I never thought he really got the respect he deserved given that he got traded all through the league until that last year in Boston
A big thing that bothers me with how modern fans talk about the past is when they bring up age. 34 in the 80s or 90s is a lot different that 34 today. Health, diets, medicine, have all advanced a ton in these past few decades, so guys playing well into their 30s isn't going to be as rare as it was then, by the team you hit 36 it was pretty much a wrap for you back then.
Not for malone, stockton and Jordan all 3 made the finals at 35 or older. Also its easy to play as an older player now considering how much less physical the game is
@@ogmusik2549 Less violent doesn't mean less physical. The spacing today has actually increased the amount of injuries to star players with explosive and reckless playstyles.
@@poly_g6068 i somewhat agree but it's probably players not being in shape like zion Williamson that is the biggest cause of injuries. Some guys are just lucky that they never get injured like jordan and LeBron. I think going back 30 years ago teams had less money so if you were injury prone you got moved on fast or it wasn't long before you were out the league. Nowadays with the massive salary caps teams can afford to have a player sit out a whole season and get paid millions not to even play
How Pippen and Barkley handled situations as teammates nearly 25 years ago still reflects on their character now. Barkley is one of the most philanthropic athletes of all time. He gives back to many communities and creates opportunities by investing in so many small businesses not to get rich but just to give them the chance. He also makes less than Shaq on Inside the NBA even though he’s the face of the show and he didn’t ask for a pay increase in his latest contract. When Pippen got a DUI Barkley stood up for him. He took a pay cut to play with Scottie. Pippen on the other hand did nothing but insult and bring Chuck down. 20+ years later he completely ruined his image insulting MJ numerous times (even though MJ has always had nothing but good things to say about Scottie and Scottie used to praise MJ) just to sell more copies of his book. Pippen won more rings but Barkley was the better basketball player and more importantly much better human being
Yes, Jordan always said Charles lack the motivation to win a title, interesting about Charles and Scottie, they were teammates on the USA Dream Team in 1992, I did hear any problems then. About Charles, my opinion was timing if came to the Sixers two years earlier he would have been part of the 1982-1983 Sixers Championship team, he would be back up power forward to the late Moses Malone. He would have a ring. on one of the best teams in NBA history.
Chuck was simply petty at KD in Brooklyn not knowing that he himself is simply chasing a ring when he joined Houston and failed but what makes it even funnier is that Chuck himself got a bit excited when he learned the news that KD has been traded to the Phoenix Suns at the 2023 trade deadline.
I was excited for Charles on the Rockets (I even had his jersey) but looking back, I should have known a championship wouldn't happen. I mean, any team that starts Matt Maloney every night isn't going to go far in the playoffs. But at least they made the playoffs (looking at you, this year's Lakers).
Pippen's always been a classless clown. I hope he has a statue of Jordan in his house so he can kiss its feet and thank him every night the rest of his life.
To add more details, in the 1997 season the key thing that ruined title hope was that they let a rookie run at PG. Even if Matt Maloney provided unexpected performance, he was the only PG on that team (Brent Price was injured). In 1998 imo if it wasn't for Charles Barkley injury in game 4 against the Jazz it would have been an upset because they were leading 2-1 and winning the 1st quarter of game 4 before Barkley got injured (8pts in 5min though). In 1999 they were way too old, Olajuwon got dominated by Shaq. Even if the Rockets upset the Lakers, no way Barkley and Olajuwon can keep up against David Robinson and Tim Duncan When healthy, Barkley did really well in all 3 seasons Meanwhile for Olajuwon, after the 1997 season, his knees got fucked up hard
One of the reasons pippen also disliked the rockets was that he was used to playing in the triangle offense, which utilized him moving off the ball and playmaking. When he got to houston, it pretty much became a ton of sitting at the 3 pt line watching barkley and hakeem do stagnant iso-postups. When he got to the blazers with rick adelman coaching, he got to play a lot more closer to that bulls style of play.
I remember these years as a kid growing up as a growing pain for me. I LOVED watching hakeem and the mid 90s team play. We were legit but people always say we shouldnt have been winners due to Jordans retirement. People forget how dominate Hakeem was against chicago. Jordan said it himself that Longley and a few of the others on the team wouldnt be able to defend hakeem or our outside threats. SOOOO many of us wanted a Houston/Chicago finals that year when Utah beat us in the WCF. It made me hate the NBA so much as a kid. It is one of the biggest What ifs in sports history I feel. Houston was one of the few teams who could take games from Chicago. Not saying we would have won, but would have been a good series nonetheless. The Pippen year I hated the most. Never cared for him and after all these years hes turned into that grumpy old man who wants to blame everyone for his problems. All I know if my middle school years and early high school years as a Rockets fan were rough. Rebuilds are always tough to swallow but Im in one now and understand the why it has to be done.
Imagine if the 90's had the same medical advancements like currently. Both Lebron and CP3 are still able to play at close to peak performance in their mid/late 30's.
That's because of their work ethic and strict diet. Stockton and Karl Malone played at a really high level till 40. Stockton led the NBA in assists per 48 minutes and assist to turnover ratio in his last season. And Malone led the Lakers past Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett in his last season. That Detroit team they faced in the finals was significantly worse than the San Antonio and Minnesota teams they had already beat. If Malone stayed healthy they would've easily beat Detroit to win the title too. But Malone was asked to play 40 minutes a game in the playoffs against Garnett and Duncan at age 40 so his body broke down.
@@russell2890 That Laker team had no power forward going up against Rasheed and Ben. Karl Malone and the backup power forward, Horace Grant, both got injured. They had no one to guard Rasheed.
The way superteams are being constructed by trading away the depth is allways the main cause of disaster. While depth alone won't win you a chip, it keeps your superstars rather fresh and ready to close the games. What we see instead is overloading of your main 2-3 guys, injuries, frustration and chemistry issues.
Not even comparable. The first year Barkley was there they had a great record with the number 2 seed in the West and got to the WCF. The second year Barkley was there they made the playoffs with not -so great a record with an 8 seed but still .500+. The third year they made the playoffs with a 5 seed. It wasnt until his last year that they didnt make the playoffs.
The only good thing that came from the Barkley trade was we finally beat the Sonics in the playoffs. As a Rockets fans, I often wonder what would have happened if we kept Big Shot Bob and Sam. Sam was ready to become a starting point guard and probably would have been an All-Star sooner. Horry could have developed into an All-Star as well. Believe it or not there were some that compared him to Scottie Pippen during his years with us. What they should have done was go to that lineup that they used against Orlando in the 95 Finals with Horry at the 4, Mario Elle at the 3, Sam and Clyde in the backcourt, Hakeem at the 5 and run a 4 out 1 in offense. Dream gets double teamed he’d have 3 to 4 shooters capable of knocking down 3s. If teams decided to guard the 3 then that leaves Dream to do dominate in the paint. That would have probably kept the team as a contender for a little bit longer.
When John Stockon hit that 1997 shot in Houston to give the Rockets the Western Conference Championship, that took the actual substance out of Charles Barkley's gut to vie for a title; it was like a stamp of approval that said, "Charles, this is NOT happening." I felt for Barkley because now he has to go through an entire off season, get into shape again, go through training camp and 82 games and hopefully he can do better in the playoffs just to get back to this point. When a gut-shot is hit like that to win, all I think about is all that work and time down the drain. Sad.
@@dhart8451 Yep, same thing with Paxson as he went for that steal in '93, he overplayed the passing-lane...so little things like that are the difference between winning and losing. Barkley just couldn't come through with little things which shows he was brutish and over-looked the important details of what it takes to make a team lose and make your team win. You can even see that when he talks about basketball on TNT how he discredits Kenny Smith's points and Kenny is pointing out important details of what it takes to win and situations that lead to results but Barkley yells out and overrides his points by saying, 'That's just my opinion.'... then Shaq who is brutish, who only won because he's big and had Phil Jackson and a better supporting cast than Barkley, winds up throwing rings in his face but Shaq couldn't guard the pick-and-roll vs. Utah and would constantly get swept because he wasn't intelligent. So both those guys are not as intelligent as Kenny when it comes to winning basketball; Kenny Smith had the record for most 3's in the Finals, 7, in 1995 and would come through to help his team win when it mattered most.
Calling that old Rockets trio a super team is an insult to super teams. The team was still decent though. I’m from Houston and although I liked Barkley I would’ve preferred a younger all star. If we had Sam Cassell on the team, it might’ve helped. I really hated when an old Pippen joined too. It ruined the last few years of Olajuwon.
Here is what I dont understand, because Barkley, Olajuwon and Stockton all came in the same year yet when Hakeem and Barkley was starting to decline, Stockton was still relevant and makigng it to the finals.
Some players are more durable than others. Both Stockton and Malone were incredibly durable throughout their careers, and were still in their primes at 35. Lebron and Chris Paul are both really good while being old right now, while guys like Westbrook and Harden are regressing, even though they're younger.
If they built their team through the draft or if the GM is the one making all the moves and there's no player collusion, I don't consider that a super team. That wasn't even a term until the Big 3 Miami Heat became a thing.
Charles Barkley should have joined Michael Jordan to win a ring like KD joined Steph to win a ring because Charles knew he can’t beat MJ so why not join him?
I mean yeah he could’ve done that honestly but I don’t think for his pride he would be desperate to join a Chicago Bulls team just to be like the 3rd wheel on a team like that
What pissed me off about KD is that we could have had Classic bouts between the Cleveland Cavaliers and Golden State Warriors.. KD going to the Warriors made them feel unbalanced..
Ahh it’s fine, Charles was decrepit and aging quite badly. Even at the time it was believed that the only thing Charles would do for the Rockets was make them older and slower. They had one year to make a run but got shot down by Stockton
I wish Hakeem would have finished his career as a Houston Rocket. He was traded over a contract dispute, and I wish that they would have payed the legend his money for one more year instead of trading him to the Raptors. It should be 18 with one, not 17 + 1. ☹️
Scottie Pippen was a great player but always thought too highly of himself. Even in his prime there were atleast 10 guys better than him and after 97 was never the same guy. That 98 Bulls championship was one on Micheal Jordan’s grit and Rodmans hustle. Pippen was a great defender and a nice ball handler for a forward and his court vision was pretty good but no single aspect of his game was elite besides maybe his defense for a few seasons from 91-96.
If huston Was in there prime they would have no problem. Because of all the winning they will also have no chemistry issues. On paper and this is one of the most 18th of the 19th because two of them are MVP players and all of them are basically top five players in the league during the primes.
If Houston had some fortune tellers back then they would never have traded Horry away, dude has Rings DNA in his veins, Chuck doesn't need superteam, he just needs Horry lol
6:58 This is disingenuous from Andy. Pippen said those comments AFTER he left the Rockets to join the Blazers. He literally says it on camera. You made seem as if Pippen was still Barkley's and Olajuwon's teammate. Pippen's issue with Barkley was about basketball. Seems as if you're trying to make about something else, rearranging time of events.
Only difference is Durant is young and in his prime, Charles was out of his prime and was tryna do it with other old guys at a last chance effort. KD took the easy way out early (joined 73-9 team too wtf dude) Charles only did it because he realized he was nearly out of time
All three legends were a shell of themselves when this team got put together. Pippen was coming off major back surgery. Charles should have known better than to trust the Rockets management. 4 million is a lot of money!😆
That would've been a scary team if they've gotten together a few years earlier. Barkley and Drexler were at end of their prime, Olajuwon only had a few years left in him. I wonder how it would've worked out if Drexler didn't retire in 98 off season, and Pippen had joined them 3? Olajuwon, Barkley, Drexler and Pippen.
If all 4 of them were in their prime that’s scary
Would the rockets even have enough cap space to afford all 4? I would have loved to see that fast break with all 4 of them lol
@@sebzer0515 or what if Pippen had stayed with Rockets after they'd drafted Steve Francis? Olajuwon, Barkley, Pippen and Francis.
They were actually putting up prime numbers year before that superteam. still a superteam tho, barkley saying they are old when they team up but hakeem and chuck are still supertars and clyde is atleast a star.
@@GABRIELA-ACEVEDO. Pippens ego got the better of him
just sayin, the next 2k has to have the TNT license, we need that TNT scoreboard
2k is trash my man. It will never be a good video game as long as there is no competition
@@ShaqsCheeks that what killed the Madden Franchise.. No competition..
NBA Live has it
2k might go down in a few years
That plus the option of using vintage editions of the TNT scoreboard for games between classic teams
Honestly it’s very few in the TH-cam world who’s as consistent as Andy is. Also even when I think I know it all when it comes to basketball you drop something that convinced me otherwise. Also your attention to detail and the ability to seek out the context surrounding the situations is damn good.. been a fan since the drose vid
Yep I've said it before. Andy is consistent as ever. He just shows up drops and video and bounces. Without fail. I've been watching and subscribed for about 5 years, since 2017, and in that time Andy has never fallen off. Others like MDJ, CainLovesCali, Bsolz, Legend of Winning, hell even Dom2k have all fallen off content wise. His content is strong.
@@ericglenn9984 mdj wanted to indulge in other ventures and I think everyone else wanna expand their brand into other avenues because you can only do Soo much in the TH-cam world, it's only Soo much content and the competition for viewership is high. Also the pandemic imo put a lot of content creators in tough spots, especially without no basketball a lot of people took they talents over to twitch, and or started podcasting. Honestly I don't even blame em I would imagine more freedom, less stress and definitely less editing
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When you take into account that Scottie, Charles, and Drexler were basically over the hill at this point, it’s no wonder why they failed. If they would’ve teamed up a few years earlier then this might’ve been a great super team.
You mean Hakeem?
Drexler retired after 1998 season and pippen joined next season
Yeah they were all a little old, a little slower a lot more injuries.. I think this team is more similar to Carmelo Anthony and Dwight Howard joining the lakers how they’re past their prime but Tryna get a ring before they retire like how Chuck was… versus a proper super team that’s just too hard to compete against
Pippen wasn't as old, he played like 4 more years in Portland but he never was "the guy", he was better as a second option.
That Stockton shot was the first game I watched as a rockets fan, I was so hurt… I don’t think it would make my top 5 most disappointing moments as rockets fan looking back at it now tho lmao
Chris Paul injury in game 6 and 7 2018 gotta hurt
Low key tho Charles Barkley deserved to win a title for sure , but unfortunately his prime years were long gone and he was getting a LOT older than his Phoenix Suns days sadly but yeah it’s just sad he never won a title
barkley had a chance tho, he was drafted by a defending champion, made the finals in 93, choke 3-1 and 2-0 lead with the rockets on back to back years, then join a superteam.
3-1 choke job in 1995 was probably the end of his final window.
5:50 This happened in the NFL too in the same year, 1998. Barry Sanders had taken a substantial paycut to prevent the Lions from going into cap hell with the understanding that they would use that money to bring quality free agents in to try to win a Super Bowl. The Lions promptly pocketed the money and signed nobody that off season. Angered, justifiably so, Barry retired unless he was traded and never played another game.
To think one of the best rbs ever wasted his career on that cesspool of a team
I'm a Hawks Fan but Damn I miss the Supersonics... It feels weird not seeing them in the league..
No one cares. Damn you're annoying with these nobody asked comments
Damn no one cares soyboy
Can we just apreciate andy hoops make this content for us andy if you see this you the real MVP keep making bangers
This wasn't a superteam. They just had names with age.
You have the best videos by the way 💯👍🏾
it's a shame that HOU didn't face Mj in the Finals, even though they are old that time, we would love it.
They’d probably be swept though
@@thetradefedration6663 HOU managed to get 2 against that Utah that managed to get 2 wins against that Bulls. *My guess* is they wont get swept since the NBA that time favors half court game. Not the current NBA that young guys thrives because it's a run, get open and shoot game.
@@august6281 nah most of the best players today can play good to great halfcourt offense, people such as Jimmy butler, Giannis, lebron, embiid, Tatum, Durant, etc.
Bulls still would of won regardless nobody was beating MJ
@@august6281 but Don Nelson started that kinda offense.. (Yes he did) His system was a fast offensive approach.. You can't blame Today's Players for what they learned from the Teachers..
I believe Barkley DID agree to the paycut because it was in 1998 to bring Scottie to Houston, but it was on condition that he would get the money back the following year , and he didnt get it back.
I got into the NBA around 2001. So Andy, your videos are good history lessons for me
haha, i was BORN in 2001… love how *all* ages of people can love the same thing.
Bruh i got into it during the playoffs this year and youtube has been so helpful
Finally, a video about old school NBA instead of the present generation. This is what I love about Andy and another page known as Stunted Growth because they cover stories from the past.
Wow I didn't know they dropped Kenny to get Chuck
I think late era Barkley (as well as Malone and Payton) were ring chasers instead of superteam drivers. At one point in their careers, they were drivers, especially Barkley in Suns.
At one point. They're hall of famers for a reason genius and Barkley sure was a better driver in Philly
Man you’ve been consistently good as a creator since like 2017. I always love watching your videos
Barkley lowkey deserved to win a title 🔥
Why lowkey ? Of course he dserved to win a title
Low-key he didn't, he was lazy, fat out of shape even in his prime. He was TERRIBLE defensively. Didn't know what he was doing defensively. Couldn't guard anyone, only thing he did was camp out in the dunkers' spot waiting for rebounds or play passing lanes looking for steals. Every team he was on outside 1993 had a defensive rating below the league average. PF/C Defense is most critical, so it's not a coincidence.
He doesn't deserve it you have to earn it and MJ was right what he said Chuck didn't have the motivation to win a ring he was lazy and a bully
No doubt.
@@AJ_savage16 My dad was a die hard Rockets fan. He absolutely loved Hakeem, he loved Clyde, he loved Rudy T. He tolerated Barkley
He gets disrespected way to much, he was arguably the best player in NBA history to not get a Ring.
Dan Marino... Dan Marino was in the NFL destroying records but he couldn't get the big one.. Charles Barkley was doing the same in the NBA but he was stopped short in his tracks when it was time to chase a ring..
Him and stockton were the 2 who deserved to win ONCE in those days
@@GarkKahn Ewing deserved a ring more than them
Bobby Schmurda’s Hat why more? im genuinely asking, im not familiar with all the 80-90s basketball.
@@MoNehNeh17 he’s not dude is tripping.
Sir Charles has a resume that 98% of every NBA player ever would be envy of. Kenny needs to keep his mouth shut and keep fetching water for the bus driver.
98% Bro it’s more like over 99%. The NBA has had thousands of players and Barkley is easily top 50 all time (if not higher).
His peak was absolutely unreal and his Suns team was the toughest series the Bulls had in the finals. One Paxton 3 away from a game 7 in Phoenix.
There has to be more to this story with the Rockets keeping $4million owed to Barkley. NBA contracts are guaranteed even back then.
Unless they agreed to a clause where Chunk's weight had to be maintained or they didn't have to pay him.. my only theory.. Cause man that seems like some Shady Sh_t right there..
@@kenrickkahn That's what I was thinking there had to be a clause. But the way it's covered here it seemed like Barkley didn't know why the money was being taken away.
@@jinkade Seems like some Shady Business there.. my Lawyers would be asking all the right questions after that.. unless it was a clause in his contract or the Rockets tried to avoid the Salary Cap luxury tax..
Loved this video. Even if I felt old with all the times you called a early 30 something man old
The best players in the league at that time (MJ, Karl Malone, David Robinson, Ewing, Stockton etc.) were also in their early 30s when the Rocket’s first big three was formed, so no excuses
also Pippen was still a star in 1999
He had just won with the Bulls the year before, posted his playoff career high in points with Houston in ‘99, and the next season almost led the Blazers to the Finals
Ewing (who was actually older than Hakeem) & D Rob were still making deep playoff runs with the Knicks & the Spurs in 2000
Barkley was in the same draft class as MJ (had just won Finals MVP the summer before) & Stockton (had just been a back to back NBA finalist)
Whole lotta revisionism going on
@@ajj403 while you’re spouting facts I don’t know what this has to do with my joke?
@@Mar032891 Lmaooo I thought you said you found it “odd” that he was calling them old, as they were only in their early 30s at the time
@@ajj403 No worries bro I definitely dig their energy straight facts
I love Chuck! He comes off the bench of TD on my GOAT team
This just made my 16 hour shift better. Thank you sir 🥹
respect G
Wow
i’d say a better comparison is the retirement home nets with kg, paul pierce, d.will, brook lopez, and joe johnson. that’s a funny ass squad
There's a trend with modern-era super teams: Trade away valuable role players for aging superstars. I don't know why teams continue to do it. It almost never works.
The biggest issue with Durant clapping back at Barkley was he posted pictures of every Barkley team where he WASNT the bus driver. He was a rookie with Moses and Dr. J. He was past his prime in Houston. With Phoenix he managed to go to the finals, and then lost to either the eventual Champs or finals contestants
Those who forget history are forever doomed to repeat it.
Trade away up and coming players who are the future of the franchise for star players way past their prime for one more chance at a title.
This doesn't work as often as it's done.
Seems like the 2021-2022 LA Lakers did that.
@Fries lifelong Rockets fan and absolutely loved Cassell as a kid and even as a teenager I never thought he really got the respect he deserved given that he got traded all through the league until that last year in Boston
A big thing that bothers me with how modern fans talk about the past is when they bring up age. 34 in the 80s or 90s is a lot different that 34 today. Health, diets, medicine, have all advanced a ton in these past few decades, so guys playing well into their 30s isn't going to be as rare as it was then, by the team you hit 36 it was pretty much a wrap for you back then.
Not for malone, stockton and Jordan all 3 made the finals at 35 or older. Also its easy to play as an older player now considering how much less physical the game is
@@ogmusik2549 Less violent doesn't mean less physical. The spacing today has actually increased the amount of injuries to star players with explosive and reckless playstyles.
@@poly_g6068 i somewhat agree but it's probably players not being in shape like zion Williamson that is the biggest cause of injuries. Some guys are just lucky that they never get injured like jordan and LeBron. I think going back 30 years ago teams had less money so if you were injury prone you got moved on fast or it wasn't long before you were out the league. Nowadays with the massive salary caps teams can afford to have a player sit out a whole season and get paid millions not to even play
@@poly_g6068 not really
@@ogmusik2549 Jordan had a broken foot and recovered
I grew up with Charles on the Rockets we loved him out here his jersey goes for $100 in person out here 👀
Imagine they weren’t injured and had GOOD chemistry they would’ve been a dynasty for years
They were in their mid 30s so no
How Pippen and Barkley handled situations as teammates nearly 25 years ago still reflects on their character now.
Barkley is one of the most philanthropic athletes of all time. He gives back to many communities and creates opportunities by investing in so many small businesses not to get rich but just to give them the chance. He also makes less than Shaq on Inside the NBA even though he’s the face of the show and he didn’t ask for a pay increase in his latest contract. When Pippen got a DUI Barkley stood up for him. He took a pay cut to play with Scottie.
Pippen on the other hand did nothing but insult and bring Chuck down. 20+ years later he completely ruined his image insulting MJ numerous times (even though MJ has always had nothing but good things to say about Scottie and Scottie used to praise MJ) just to sell more copies of his book.
Pippen won more rings but Barkley was the better basketball player and more importantly much better human being
Obviously, If Barkley would've gone to the Rockets in the 1995 season or in the 1994, it could've been a dinasty, or at least, win a championship.
Yes, Jordan always said Charles lack the motivation to win a title, interesting about Charles and Scottie, they were teammates on the USA Dream Team in 1992, I did hear any problems then. About Charles, my opinion was timing if came to the Sixers two years earlier he would have been part of the 1982-1983 Sixers Championship team, he would be back up power forward to the late Moses Malone. He would have a ring. on one of the best teams in NBA history.
@@commonsenseking6386 Yes, but no one can predict what team can draft you and in which championship you can win.
@@hydeseaick2587 obviously Barkley would never gone to the Rockets in 94 or 95
@@nonamewillbegiven I know, but I just point out that fact.
@@hydeseaick2587 thats no fact
Love the videos bro reminds me of a prime Mike k
Chuck was simply petty at KD in Brooklyn not knowing that he himself is simply chasing a ring when he joined Houston and failed but what makes it even funnier is that Chuck himself got a bit excited when he learned the news that KD has been traded to the Phoenix Suns at the 2023 trade deadline.
I was excited for Charles on the Rockets (I even had his jersey) but looking back, I should have known a championship wouldn't happen. I mean, any team that starts Matt Maloney every night isn't going to go far in the playoffs. But at least they made the playoffs (looking at you, this year's Lakers).
Pippen's always been a classless clown. I hope he has a statue of Jordan in his house so he can kiss its feet and thank him every night the rest of his life.
Name me a title Jordan won without Pippen. Exactly zero.
They should praise each other.
They needed each other.
@@charismatic9904 Real Barkley took a pay cut so he could join the Rockets. Scottie pippen is deluded
@@charismatic9904 nope. M.oron
To add more details, in the 1997 season the key thing that ruined title hope was that they let a rookie run at PG.
Even if Matt Maloney provided unexpected performance, he was the only PG on that team (Brent Price was injured).
In 1998 imo if it wasn't for Charles Barkley injury in game 4 against the Jazz it would have been an upset because they were leading 2-1 and winning the 1st quarter of game 4 before Barkley got injured (8pts in 5min though).
In 1999 they were way too old, Olajuwon got dominated by Shaq. Even if the Rockets upset the Lakers, no way Barkley and Olajuwon can keep up against David Robinson and Tim Duncan
When healthy, Barkley did really well in all 3 seasons
Meanwhile for Olajuwon, after the 1997 season, his knees got fucked up hard
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One of the reasons pippen also disliked the rockets was that he was used to playing in the triangle offense, which utilized him moving off the ball and playmaking. When he got to houston, it pretty much became a ton of sitting at the 3 pt line watching barkley and hakeem do stagnant iso-postups.
When he got to the blazers with rick adelman coaching, he got to play a lot more closer to that bulls style of play.
Mike Dunleavy Sr. coached Pippen during his first two seasons in Portland, not Adelman.
@@Doknot-tb9ey ah good catch; adelman was coaching the kings at the time i think?
@@ReCharredSigh That is correct.
I remember these years as a kid growing up as a growing pain for me. I LOVED watching hakeem and the mid 90s team play. We were legit but people always say we shouldnt have been winners due to Jordans retirement. People forget how dominate Hakeem was against chicago. Jordan said it himself that Longley and a few of the others on the team wouldnt be able to defend hakeem or our outside threats. SOOOO many of us wanted a Houston/Chicago finals that year when Utah beat us in the WCF. It made me hate the NBA so much as a kid. It is one of the biggest What ifs in sports history I feel. Houston was one of the few teams who could take games from Chicago. Not saying we would have won, but would have been a good series nonetheless. The Pippen year I hated the most. Never cared for him and after all these years hes turned into that grumpy old man who wants to blame everyone for his problems. All I know if my middle school years and early high school years as a Rockets fan were rough. Rebuilds are always tough to swallow but Im in one now and understand the why it has to be done.
Uh huh and Jordan is dominant period. Not a good point
And he didnt really say that
And no one cares that you didnt get your dream finals
And regular season games does not translate to the postseason. 2011 MIA CHI, MIA BOS
@@nonamewillbegiven nigga who hurt you
Imagine if the 90's had the same medical advancements like currently. Both Lebron and CP3 are still able to play at close to peak performance in their mid/late 30's.
That's because of their work ethic and strict diet. Stockton and Karl Malone played at a really high level till 40. Stockton led the NBA in assists per 48 minutes and assist to turnover ratio in his last season. And Malone led the Lakers past Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett in his last season. That Detroit team they faced in the finals was significantly worse than the San Antonio and Minnesota teams they had already beat. If Malone stayed healthy they would've easily beat Detroit to win the title too. But Malone was asked to play 40 minutes a game in the playoffs against Garnett and Duncan at age 40 so his body broke down.
@@RossRadikSherman Beat Detroit? That's a good joke.
@@russell2890 That Laker team had no power forward going up against Rasheed and Ben. Karl Malone and the backup power forward, Horace Grant, both got injured. They had no one to guard Rasheed.
@@RossRadikSherman hmmm nope
@@RossRadikSherman that is a good joke
I wish he won atleast one ring just so Shaq can shut up tryna dismiss his points because he doesn't have a Championship
Its annoying when Shaq does that.
No one cares though you snowflakes
It’s so easy to say it wasn’t a super team AFTER their careers. They thought it would be. Just like Kobe and Dwight.
Hardcore offensive foul on that Stockton shot, Malone bear hugget Drexler lol
The way superteams are being constructed by trading away the depth is allways the main cause of disaster. While depth alone won't win you a chip, it keeps your superstars rather fresh and ready to close the games. What we see instead is overloading of your main 2-3 guys, injuries, frustration and chemistry issues.
Those Rockets teams remind me of this year's Lakers. Same methodology, same failure
At least those rockets teams made the playoffs.
At least they made the postseason.
This yrs Lakers were disappointing on a completely different level, lol. Not even comparable.
Not even comparable. The first year Barkley was there they had a great record with the number 2 seed in the West and got to the WCF. The second year Barkley was there they made the playoffs with not -so great a record with an 8 seed but still .500+. The third year they made the playoffs with a 5 seed. It wasnt until his last year that they didnt make the playoffs.
0:29 the shade 😂
When Charles went to Houston none of those guys said or thought “Mann we washed up” they all believed in their abilities
Exactly and people saying their old yet Utah and Chicago was same sane average age
The only good thing that came from the Barkley trade was we finally beat the Sonics in the playoffs. As a Rockets fans, I often wonder what would have happened if we kept Big Shot Bob and Sam. Sam was ready to become a starting point guard and probably would have been an All-Star sooner. Horry could have developed into an All-Star as well. Believe it or not there were some that compared him to Scottie Pippen during his years with us. What they should have done was go to that lineup that they used against Orlando in the 95 Finals with Horry at the 4, Mario Elle at the 3, Sam and Clyde in the backcourt, Hakeem at the 5 and run a 4 out 1 in offense. Dream gets double teamed he’d have 3 to 4 shooters capable of knocking down 3s. If teams decided to guard the 3 then that leaves Dream to do dominate in the paint. That would have probably kept the team as a contender for a little bit longer.
Not much, they're role players, not franchise players
and the legend of robert horry was born
we have barkley to thank for that
Difference is this Rockets team and most of the older Superteams was put together by front offices and not at the behest of the players.
Andy u a 🐐 man
When John Stockon hit that 1997 shot in Houston to give the Rockets the Western Conference Championship, that took the actual substance out of Charles Barkley's gut to vie for a title; it was like a stamp of approval that said, "Charles, this is NOT happening." I felt for Barkley because now he has to go through an entire off season, get into shape again, go through training camp and 82 games and hopefully he can do better in the playoffs just to get back to this point. When a gut-shot is hit like that to win, all I think about is all that work and time down the drain. Sad.
Barkley didn't switch on Stockton and he had a wide open shot.
@@dhart8451 Yep, same thing with Paxson as he went for that steal in '93, he overplayed the passing-lane...so little things like that are the difference between winning and losing. Barkley just couldn't come through with little things which shows he was brutish and over-looked the important details of what it takes to make a team lose and make your team win. You can even see that when he talks about basketball on TNT how he discredits Kenny Smith's points and Kenny is pointing out important details of what it takes to win and situations that lead to results but Barkley yells out and overrides his points by saying, 'That's just my opinion.'... then Shaq who is brutish, who only won because he's big and had Phil Jackson and a better supporting cast than Barkley, winds up throwing rings in his face but Shaq couldn't guard the pick-and-roll vs. Utah and would constantly get swept because he wasn't intelligent. So both those guys are not as intelligent as Kenny when it comes to winning basketball; Kenny Smith had the record for most 3's in the Finals, 7, in 1995 and would come through to help his team win when it mattered most.
I agree that Shaq and Barkley have a low basketball IQ. It's obvious they are there for entertainment.
@@dhart8451 Yeah all those guys are clowns and hiding their sexuality.
@@plainsimple244 you saying stupid things as usual. Of course
What if they didn’t add Barkley and formed a team with Hakeem, Scottie, Clyde and the role players Horry, Cassel and Kenny Smith that they gave up.
Scottie would have changed his target to Clyde, Hakeem or even Kenny, dude had no chill after leaving MJ
Clyde had already retired by the time Pippin showed up
Kevin Durant, James Harden, Kyrie Irving should be on this list if you ever do a video like this again
Houston was the 1st seed in the west for the first half of the 97 season until the injuries kicked in.
That's the thing when you try to build a team of over-the-hill stars. The injuries are almost inevitable
They were old. They also got rid of all of their good point gurds which was a huge mistake. In the 90's old came up quickly. Also Pippen is crazy lol
I blame those pajamas they called uniforms. 😀
Barkley was drafted to 76ers and traded to Rockets
For real KD isn't very bright
should do a nets version one
Ppl use the term superteam derisively when irl you really need to have like 3-4 all star level players to contend
Either that or the deepest bench in the entire NBA. You need the best team to win the chip, like why is that even argued so much... it's just facts
So THAT'S why Charles was so against what the Lakers were doing...
I literally just listened to this dude tell Kenny roasted Kenny for 9 minutes and now this. Must be fate
Calling that old Rockets trio a super team is an insult to super teams. The team was still decent though. I’m from Houston and although I liked Barkley I would’ve preferred a younger all star. If we had Sam Cassell on the team, it might’ve helped. I really hated when an old Pippen joined too. It ruined the last few years of Olajuwon.
definitely dont want to walk around town wearing a rockets barkley jersey you will get laughed at
This year’s Lakers are a better comparison to this Rockets team than this year’s Nets.
Charles said it himself. They're not a superteam but a super old team.
Here is what I dont understand, because Barkley, Olajuwon and Stockton all came in the same year yet when Hakeem and Barkley was starting to decline, Stockton was still relevant and makigng it to the finals.
Some players are more durable than others. Both Stockton and Malone were incredibly durable throughout their careers, and were still in their primes at 35. Lebron and Chris Paul are both really good while being old right now, while guys like Westbrook and Harden are regressing, even though they're younger.
If they built their team through the draft or if the GM is the one making all the moves and there's no player collusion, I don't consider that a super team. That wasn't even a term until the Big 3 Miami Heat became a thing.
Can you do one one the 2012/13 rockets please
Charles Barkley should have joined Michael Jordan to win a ring like KD joined Steph to win a ring because Charles knew he can’t beat MJ so why not join him?
I mean yeah he could’ve done that honestly but I don’t think for his pride he would be desperate to join a Chicago Bulls team just to be like the 3rd wheel on a team like that
What pissed me off about KD is that we could have had Classic bouts between the Cleveland Cavaliers and Golden State Warriors.. KD going to the Warriors made them feel unbalanced..
Because back then we had balls and pride. Players wanted to play (and beat) each other not join together.
Because players back then didnt have that mentality you m.oron
@@brucelau2023 not really
Jaylen Brown next video Andy Hoops 🙏🙏🙏
Ty
All the hype about Houston after the Barkley acquisition... turns out they were the "Duper-Team" that had us all fooled.
Ahh it’s fine, Charles was decrepit and aging quite badly. Even at the time it was believed that the only thing Charles would do for the Rockets was make them older and slower. They had one year to make a run but got shot down by Stockton
I wish Hakeem would have finished his career as a Houston Rocket. He was traded over a contract dispute, and I wish that they would have payed the legend his money for one more year instead of trading him to the Raptors. It should be 18 with one, not 17 + 1. ☹️
These guys were all a few years from retirement tops. This is not unlike other teams stacked with aging Hall of Famers that were flash over substance.
So they were the current day Lakers it seems lol…
Except that the Lakers didn't make it to the playoffs.
Scottie Pippen was a great player but always thought too highly of himself. Even in his prime there were atleast 10 guys better than him and after 97 was never the same guy. That 98 Bulls championship was one on Micheal Jordan’s grit and Rodmans hustle. Pippen was a great defender and a nice ball handler for a forward and his court vision was pretty good but no single aspect of his game was elite besides maybe his defense for a few seasons from 91-96.
Good Morning
If huston Was in there prime they would have no problem. Because of all the winning they will also have no chemistry issues. On paper and this is one of the most 18th of the 19th because two of them are MVP players and all of them are basically top five players in the league during the primes.
That would never happen
If Houston had some fortune tellers back then they would never have traded Horry away, dude has Rings DNA in his veins, Chuck doesn't need superteam, he just needs Horry lol
Nice.
You got me when you said they finished with a good record. Good enough for 5 seed 😂
6:58 This is disingenuous from Andy. Pippen said those comments AFTER he left the Rockets to join the Blazers. He literally says it on camera. You made seem as if Pippen was still Barkley's and Olajuwon's teammate. Pippen's issue with Barkley was about basketball. Seems as if you're trying to make about something else, rearranging time of events.
lol, "they (the boss, organization) will make up for it later..."
Everybody and their mama knew that that Rockets team was going to fail.
with golden state on the verge of making it back to the finals without Kevin Durant, who's really the bus driver, good call chuck!
Pippen got beef with everyone, barkley, MJ, etc lmao bro 😂
If this Houston team is considered a superteam, then the 2022 Lakers would be a mega superteam
Only difference is Durant is young and in his prime, Charles was out of his prime and was tryna do it with other old guys at a last chance effort. KD took the easy way out early (joined 73-9 team too wtf dude) Charles only did it because he realized he was nearly out of time
All three legends were a shell of themselves when this team got put together. Pippen was coming off major back surgery. Charles should have known better than to trust the Rockets management. 4 million is a lot of money!😆
The 2022 Nets about to take this title away from these Rockets. 😬
The Problem was that they had no Point Guard. Add a semi decent pg and they win it all in 97.
@2:00 looks like his wig is coming off lol
I bet the fans in Houston were thinking "thank fuck this shit is over" when they started a rebuild. 🤣🤣
“believe it or not back in the 90’s they had phones too”
True sb nation pointed this out.
5:00 Blud Retired 💀💀💀