I Should NOT Have Bought a Lemon Car! Lemon Law Attorney SCHOOLS ME!
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I bought a Cheap Lemon Manufacturer Buyback car and thought I got an amazing deal! That is until Lemon Law Attorney Steve Lehto from Lehto's Law told me otherwise...
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Sam - Thanks for having me on. Of course, I'm not saying you WILL get burned. Only time will tell. Let's all check back in a few months and see if that car truly is fixed. Or if it has a mysterious ailment which will drive it to an early grave, or junkyard.
Attorneys in Florida act like this is the biggest ordeal. I can’t even find an attorney to do their own research. I’ve told several dealers how to fix my truck and they do everything but what they need to. I could fix it myself but I’d be out $3,000.00 when in the beginning, it could have been less than $500.00.
Might not even need to wait that long. If the car was in for repairs 4 times in less than 1000 miles you would probably know within a few weeks if the issue is still there. But I do agree that only time can tell if the car was worth the money.
One important thing you didn't explicitly touch on... it has to be the same problem returning. If it's a different repair 4/5 times lemon law doesn't apply...
Steve Lehto FTW
he used you for clickbait Steve
Personally I would never consider a lemon car, but I am all in favor of Sam buying them!
lol.
That makes all of us lol
BluesriderDF I'd prefer a lime car?
What about old fleet cars like from Enterprise or Hertz ?
wolf hybrid, have you seen how people treat rental cars?
Great video. Honestly real informative without dragging on. Keep up the great work Sam. Helps you had an actual attorney with 2 decades of knowledge.
I bought a Lemon Law Mercedes with 3000 miles on it for almost $30k off sticker with a 100k mile warranty. The car has now 120k miles and not any issues. Did I get Lucky? Maybe, but I got an S Mercedes for C Mercedes price!
Snack eater absolutely. That was the condition for the purchase.
You did not get a warranty. You got a maintenance agreement with exclusions. Different animals.
william whitman there were no exclusions however. I got the brake system done, ignition, TPMS computer. I still had to pay for oil changes, brake pads, wipers, etc.
Were exactly would you purchase these buy back cars I live in California and I can find no info on purchasing one
😒 u got lucky
This video is an excellent case study in the difference between using proper microphones in a sound-appropriate room versus using a whatever mic in your kitchen
Mark Henderson give the guy a break. The lawyer was litterly in a room full of microphones lol.
Still don't record in a room that echos like that. At least go to a room with carpet
@Aaron Rembert - is your phone a potato?
excellent case study for getting an education too. The lawyer was a treat to listen to. I'm not talking about the topic, i'm mean how fluid his speaking is, his vocabulary is concise, his ideas are clearly expressed, etc. Internet grammar is ridiculous. Seriously, in what grade do they teach us the difference between you're and your, then and than, or the 3 "there" and "too" homonyms.
@Aaron Rembert - oh well I guess you told me! Woohoo that really put me in my place! Boy I really am going to lose a lot of sleep tonight over that!
You MUST do a follow-up in 6 months and a year.
isn't that WHY he bought it? ::content::
Agreed. I want see him do another video after driving it 10-20k miles to see if the car has any more problems
@@michaelbrooks7613 actually just saw an update on this. The car stalled, just like the reason it was bought back for, and hat to be towed.
Mathew Fullerton In his most recent video he shows the car stalled again.
knock knock...
Yet 9 months later we haven’t heard anything about the Lincoln
I recently saw a video where he was talking about it is still shutting off and he disabled the auto start stop and thought it worked for a while until it shit off again on camera
Awesome Amber what video???? i need to see this shit
Auto start stop is a damn joke !
Seriously... some of the best videos on the net. Your style and work into what you do is top notch. Congrats!
You're going to have to keep us up to date on your car. It sounds like a really good idea, if you can do any repair yourself. I do hope you keep us informed because I think this could help a lot of people that want a new car but can't afford the one they want. PLEASE PLEASE give us updates over the next year.
I bought a 2005 Grand Cherokee as a buyback in 2007 and it's still going strong today. The bet paid off in my case, but you're definitely taking a risk.
Darren Neal it’s a huge risk but as many articles talking about lemon law states. Sometimes they can be classified as a lemon when the problem isn’t anything major like engine or brakes but could be something basic like the power windows don’t work or even the infotainment system is buggy. It’s a huge bet but sometimes it pays off. It is all just luck to be honest
Hey Sam I agree with you. The dealership can only fix with factory oem parts. I've bought a few trucks that were junk cars or lemon and the aftermarket parts fixed the issue and I'm driving both today.
This was one of the best videos I have watched on YT. Thanks Sam and Steve for putting this out there and educating the average consumer.
I went down to Covington Ford and bought a 2017 Escape the day after your video dropped - everything worked great on the 10 hour drive home to Illinois and been great since! The one I bought had a bad start/stop switch and that drained the battery and caused it to fail. Then a dash panel was loose and it got replaced. Nothing wrong with our car!
We plan to drive the car until the wheels fall off, so we aren’t too worried about its value at sale... still seems like a total win for us.
Maybe wait more then a few weeks until you decide if you are out of the woods?
your first video almost had me convinced it might work. I even looked up the dealer you referenced. Then I read the comments and got a little wiser. thanks for doing THIS video. I think there are people with skills who MIGHT be able to fix some of these cars. After watching this video, I beleive it would most likely never be right for most people who want to pay as little cash out of pocket as possible. If you have mad skills, and cash and you want to gamble....this might be better than Vegas....for most...probably not. my 2 cents. but thanks for doing these none the less.
Always good to see youtubers get together to make great and helpful content for their users. Thanks you guys.
This channel is getting better and better. There is a automotive journalism quality to it that goes beyond repairing cars. Just like the insights Sam gave us on what happens if you win a raffle car, this is very informative. Please keep the car for a few months, drive it often, and do a follow up with Mr. Lehto. Well done. In my top three car channels ( others are LegitStreetCars - again, very informative presented by a former MB senior technician ) and Vice Grip Garage ( the new Roadkill, and with lots of practical tips. And very, very funny )
SAM CRAC CAN WE COME BACK TO THIS AND HWAT HAPPENED WITH THE LINCOLN.
I would say you got a great deal. That's because you know about cars. The same with buying a car from copart, if you know what you are doing you can get a great deal. The more you know, the less of a gamble it is.
well, those people are relying on the dealership mechanics knowing what the they are doing. often they just load a shotgun full of parts and hope for the best.
I just finished watching a guy go over all the issues of his lemon hellcat (something is wrong with the subframe that causes major wear and poor handling)
@@kruleworld that guys Hellcat has frame damage from either being wrecked while a dealer lacky was hooning in it or it fell off a carrier trailer and was then repaired in house and not disclosed. Or was chained wrong in the trailer and the frame got tweaked and no one caught it during inspections, or they did and didn't disclose it.
Most likely fell off a lift
I really appreciate you creating videos for both the possible positives and possible negatives of buying a lemon. Very nicely done.
I was a volunteer lemon law arbitrator in New Jersey for about 10 years. I did sometimes rule that a car should be bought back, even without a lawyer. For example, if the car did what the customer claimed it did while we were test driving it, I would usually rule that it should be bought back. In fact, I can't recall even one case where a lawyer was involved where I ordered a buyback, although I'm sure that the lawyers continued to pursue the case further after arbitration. Often, the car wasn't a lemon at all. Just the customer didn't understand how the car was supposed to operate … like one case where customer complained of sudden uncontrollable acceleration at a stop light when really it was only the air conditioning compressor kicking on. Another thing I found is that all that many alleged lemon cars need is a new technician. I would order that the manufacturer try to fix the car one more time at a different dealership.
Steve is correct. If it was as easy as replacing the connector, it would have been done.
No that's assuming the manufacturer and dealership knows it's that easy. There are some space shuttles that wouldn't have blown up if the manufacturer knew they just needed to replace a certain extremely inexpensive part that was in fact already noted as a potential problem by technicians.
Sorry this is 2 years late. But I need a car now during chip shortage. If the dealer selling buy backs has all the mechanical records of what the issues are and its something I fell I could handle. The fact that covid may have played a part like in my state time at the dealer and back order on parts is also a factor. So I can order one or get one of six and 2 have less than a thousand miles for 17k off new.
@@rgood66 No worries mate. Every situation is different and good luck with your car
Steve Lehto rocks! He is a brilliant guy with a really interesting TH-cam channel.
Thank you so much Sam for this very video. I am forwarding this to my mom right now to get her out of her Evil Escape she has right now. No car should ever have over ten recalls in only four years. NONE. Her car is getting recalled faster than the rate of GM's recalls all together. Its insane. Sam, kudos to you for this because you mightve just helped me and my mom out with a total LEMON.
I watch both you guys for a long time enjoy both channels I recently bought a 2017 Escalade cheap due to electrical problems I repaired it myself and my wife is enjoying the car
I think both make good points but as far as choosing sides that’s gonna be a matter of perspective because if your tech/mechanic savvy like Sam and you want to save money, “if” you can find a good lemon like Sam then it’s worth it but if you just want something reliable or at least with the warranty so if something goes wrong you know it’s covered then maybe avoiding the lemon is what you may want to do…
I bought a Lemon F-150 that had water leaking issues in the passenger footwell and since I bought it (almost 15,000 miles ago) I haven't had a single issue . I'll call that a win!!!
"water leaking issues in the passenger footwell" thats the heater
@The RightStuff yes, I bought it used, and I was told right away it was a lemon. I got it at a significant discount considering it was only 2 years old compared to other similar trucks I looked at.
@@radbug I don't remember what the issue ended up being, but I haven't had issues
As much fun as I have watching your channel, this was the best video ever. Thanks for posting ...
This is a good interview. Good information here. Thank you.
damn so maybe lemon cars aren’t the holy grail you promised us lol
SSavage Maybe they come with a free shrubbery. lol
That whole conversation was Sam trying to reassure himself that he didn't get f'd...
Don't buy one for your kids lol Worth the risk in certain situations. He could almost part this car for what he bought it for so either way I think he's coming out on top here.
Love the Tucker on his shelf!
I like the Chrysler Turbine Car too.
some nice models
I used to be a technician at a toyota dealer and when a customer would bring their car back over and over it would always go to the same technician as a "comeback customer" and when you can't find anything wrong, you don't get paid, so when you bring your car back 5 times the technician really doesn't care anymore and will dismiss looking at it or just agree with the customer for whatever just to get it out of their shop. Lemon law cars are just an expensive gamble. It could be flawless or it could actually be a nightmare
Thank you for this. I watched the other video. And it's good to get both sides of the argument.
This would be a good long term video content.
Sam, these cars cannot typically cannot be fixed. I worked for a automobile company for a period of time in there US repair shop. This shop had the best techs that could be had and there were cars there that could not be fixed. Other cars took a very long time to be fixed, and the fixes were not obvious. Let me tell you about my experience. I had a Caravan that had problem electrical problem with the Air Conditioning. Every so often, when the car got blazing hot in the summer, the blend air door would go to full hot and the car would blow hot air during the summer! The control modules were replaced multiple times. the self test were run multiple times and there was NO solution.
I had to leave the car at my house, get it hot and I went to work with my volt meter. I found the a control wire in the wiring harness was intermittently open. We I went to the dealer, I left it out and it failed. The tech I worked with, was astounded when I told him which wire was open. It turned out, the was a bad tang on a connector. No technician could have found that. I am an Electrical Engineer.
Let me tell you the debug procedure.
1) put a CAN analyzer on each CAN interface into the computer.
2) put a digital storage scope on each analog output and input.
3) put a computer in trace tool in the process so you can trace the what processor is doing (you will need the source code for the computer for this and good luck getting this.)
4) Set all these up capture when the problem occurs.
5)Drive the car and wait for a fail.
When it fails, attempt to debug the problem with the stored output. It might take several times of failing to zero into the problem. Or you might get unlucky and the test equipment changes the system enough and car does not fail.
To be blunt, if a connector could have fixed this problem, it would have been done.
Never purchase lemon law car because modern cars are just to complex to debug sometimes with the tools we give the techs. If you were to take it to the engineering shop, set it up and have a couple of EE's look at it, yea, it could be fixed, but this would cost more than the car is worth.
You sir are amazing.
What the F are you talking about. You think I can understand what any of this means.
Great post
fakebrake he basically repeated what the lemon law guy said
But what do you do for a living?
Good seeing two of my favorite You Tubers talking to each other......
Another excellent video Sam, very informative.
Sam- Let me start by saying that I have PURCHASED a Lemon Law Buy Back (2010 Ford Fusion)in Dec 2013, and that I got roughly 20,000 good miles out of it before I had my first unrelated major problem with it; I did have a smaller issue where the Evap Canister needed replaced, but that was under emissions warranty. The unrelated problem happened to be a broken return spring in the transmission, where the initial problem was an ECU issue. I wound up paying 900 out of pocket for that repair AFTER reaching out to Ford Customer Service and them agreeing to cover 50% of the repair cost, with a rebuild to specifically fix the underlying problem. I traded that Fusion in on a 2015 shortly after, because that Transmission issue happened outside of warranty. Well, that 2015 wound up having warm no crank no start issues, starting around 700 miles. I technically qualified for Lemon Law Buy-Back very quickly because the Dealer had my car for a solid 3 weeks, and that was the second time I had reported the issue, the first time was just a day where they couldn't replicate the issue, then another 3 weeks, and another week., etc....
I spent the following 10 months in loaners (rentals), more than I did in my own car; Replaced the PRNDL and BCM twice each (Learned very quickly, always take both keys to the dealer). I made sure my attorney got a copy of ALL of my Repair Orders, and my Rental receipts. Ford, eventually stopped reimbursing my dealer for the rentals. I found out towards the end that they had never even been able to recreate the issue. Very late into the process, I was asked to take the Dealers Master Tech for a drive to replicate the issue, which we were able to do successfully several times in that hour. This was AFTER ford had sent engineers to look at my car. When all was said and done, I was offered a cash settlement and a final repair, or a buyback. Ultimately, I took the buy back option and parted ways to take a break from Ford. My dealer however, was an absolute gem; Always making sure I was taken care of, my car was clean, usually topped off my tank if they took the car on test drives. They even took care of a few things I wouldn't have expected.
My final advice on this. Only buy the car if you intend on driving it until the end of it's useful life, you get on hell of a deal, and can afford repairs after warranty. The branding on the title is an automatic 50% knock on the cars value best aligned blue book value for a clean title. You will NOT receive the option of purchasing extended warranties or service plans. For those buying new cars, always keep your warranty repair orders.
I love how this discussion war carried out by both sides respectfully. :)
Sam... I'm always looking for a good deal.
I'd be glad to address a few points here.
Text is hard to address so many issues here.
1. This guy is a Michigan lemon law attorney. This is where manufacturers live. Just like lobbyists, they're going to look for shit made to help them out. It's difficult as hell to have a car bought back in Michigan. Certain states have aggressive consumer protection laws where a car can be bought back for not having baisic recalls remedied in a certain period of time. Cars that dont even have issues bought back for manufacturer recalls. Cost of fighting lawsuits. Some states it's easier to bring a buyback to court. At that period they're investing repairs and lawyers on your vehicle. Buybacks happen this way especially from states like California.
2. Mentions that hypothetically everything can be fixed. No. Factually. Everything kn a car can be fixed just as a total loss vehicle can be fixed. One thing to keep in mind that's not considered here, and I've seen it first hand from dealerships, is were not taking into account the human issue in that people are stupid. Same way some of these cars LEAVE THE FACTORY with issues because people are stupid and they pass assembly and QC checks, they hit mechanics. Understrained and underpaid. Shops with pay mechanics per ticket. The mechanic that's diagnosing your hard to figure out issue gets paid per ticket (atleast in the situations I've been presented with. Obviously this is not accurate in all cases). Where the $20 fix that's hard to diagnose but easy to repair just takes replicating the hard to replicate issue just once. Had my car stall out and leave me stranded several times and video evidence was provided. Vehicle doesnt throw codes so the only solution was to hook a $3000 diagnostic tool to it and drive until the intermittent issue presented itself. Mechanic spends 45 minutes, doesnt happen, isnt getting paid, shops can find it, and then give it back to customers. I had to call 4 dealerships in a 50 mile radius trying to get this tool until finally the service manager had an employee that drives 40 miles to and from work drive my car home for a week before they caught it and diagnosed it. Ultimately it was a design issue, class action lawsuit. My vehicle can not be fixed unless re-engineered. But there are vehicle with pinched wires that without dissecting the entire vehicle wont ever be fixed. And when you have people on commission you open yourself up to this. I'm sure theres more here so I'm gonna finish watching the video.
For me buying a Lemon Law car depends on the issue that was reoccurring. When my mom had a rental 2017 F150, it confused the both of us with its start/stop feature when stopping at a light or stop sign. We figured out that it was just some modern Ford weirdness to save gas. We found out how to shut the feature off and all was good and turned it back on to return it. I'm personally not to sure if the previous owner of your Lincoln was aware as others mentioned in the comments, happy about their purchase, truthful, or a combination of two or all the aforementioned. I think you got so lucky with you MKZ that I'm hoping it works out for you. Good luck!
Is this feature this unpopulad in the US? Cause here in the EU it's pretty mainstream, i wonder if it's an option this new to confuse people there, sounds pretty weird
IT has been a common feature for the past 4 to 5 years on most vehicles. It is just that folks who are not used to driving new vehicles get easily startled the first time they notice it. Also, on some cars like BMW, it is quiet and works well. On GM vehicles that I tested, the start/stop is very haphazard in operation and really is more annoying than anything. But for this there is also the feature of turning off the start stop.
NoizE I was also surprised to keep hearing about Americans being confused by start/stop systems.
I'm not sure how it works for automatics.
In the EU most people drive a manual and you have to put it in neutral and take your foot off the clutch to trigger the start/stop.
That's probably why we are less startled by it.
Team Sam. If all else fails, strip out the misbehaving stuff (anything with a wire) and LS swap it.
exactly
Great video, this provided valuable insight and opinions. Keep up the good work
I worked at New car dealerships back in the 80s and we fixed everything that came in the door. From manufacturer's defects to design flaws. Sometimes it was challenging but we had great support from the manufacturer's. The technical service bulletin s were fantastic.
didnt you buy a volkswagon that you could never fully rebuild because of all its problems. i would say it was.......TERMINAL!
His channel is built around a certain degree of ego. The question here is... How much has his ego blinded his ability to weigh the gamble he's taking. He seems to forget the phrase "money pit"... Despite having first hand experience with that kind of car.
Andrew F. I would contend that there is no gamble of a Volkswagen vehicle being a potential money pit- it is assured
@@BillyIdol23 fair enough lol.
i remember he did a follow up where his friend was driving the volkswagon and there are some shots from the inside where most the door panels are off because of all the bugs it still had. he had mentioned it was the money pit jetta, and at least at that video it looked like it never got fully fixed.
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My Ford was in repair for 19 days for a differential issue. Here now a week later the problem is back. Maybe my car will be on that lot.
Having gone through a lemon law buy back in California, I would consider buying one. In my case, the oem remote start function never worked and ended up being in the shop for 31 days. It was a showroom floor SUV and it went from there to the service bay. I literally paid $0 in mileage deductions. They replaced harnesses and modules but nothing fixed it, but at the same time that was THE ONLY problem. A simple aftermarket module might have done the trick or I could've lived without it. I think I'm on team Sam on this one....be smart about the purchase and you can get a good deal.
You prepared for this .... Your interview showed it. I would like to see more of them!
Samcrac, attorneys are consulted BEFORE the Fact !! 🤦🏻♂️😂
Unless your names Donald...
That just makes a great TH-cam channel
i'm going to go all UN on this and laugh.
So every technician at the dealerships are top notch individuals that can properly diagnose an intermittent problem? In my experience, most dealers have one or two techs that can actually diagnose issues as opposed to changing parts out. Then when the dealer is digging deep and they call in the manufacturer for help it takes forever to find a remedy. Since most customers don’t want to be inconvenienced by not having access to their vehicle they call this guy and they are forced to buy it back.
True. Intermittent is the hardest thing to diagnose as well because it relies so much on good customer input to replicate conditions. There are many dealers that kick that down the road or throw parts unfortunately. Plus honestly, the average consumer is probably blindly unaware of an issue that would get lemoned out
David C That requires a customer who is good at diagnosing or repairing minor issues, and is good at following checklists in the manufacturer's shop manual.
A really interesting video. Sometimes things really cannot be fixed, either because the problem is so dangerous and expensive to repair that the manufacturer wants it off the road immediately, or that there is nothing wrong, but many owners THINK that something is wrong. One extreme example would be the Toyota truck frame failures. If the mechanic hit your frame with a hammer and put a hole in it, you got a new truck. Swapping a frame isn't hard, but it's time consuming and is really going to freak the customer out. Another example (predating Lemon Laws) would be late '60s Buicks. They came out with an incredible 2-speed torque converter that only had one problem - it made a slight whining noise that SOUNDED like a dying transmission. Buick quietly had the units replaced with standard converters and hoped nobody noticed the performance loss.
Love how you showed both sides of the discussion 👍
Depends on what the reason for the buy back. I don’t have the best hearing, so the whistle noise would be drown out by the radio, lol.
One man's trash is another man's fortune. Best fortune cookie ever!!
As advertised in Tinseltown. I've not yet diverged my philanthropies.
Streets are calling me back.
Cutting budgets.
Whatever comes with it, I'm here for it all.
I wanted a partnership. They lawyered up for sequestration.
Hate's got the city divided.
This was an awesome video, thank you guys
Hmm. I love being educated on this. I'd never considered one, & now I might; but have the foresight to see the what & why, & how to avoid making a mistake. Thank you!
I think we have to acknowledge the way dealer service centers work, the technicians are paid more for an oil change than lemon law diagnosis so the incentive to fix is relatively low when a tech finds out he needs to chase through a wiring harness or pull out a dash to diagnose properly.
Modern service just throws parts at a problem to try and catch the flaw without actual intelligent troubleshooting, IMO
Warranty pays three tenths of an hour to diagnose something, no matter how big or small.
Agreed. If a problem does not generate an OBD code, I don't think many technicians know what to do.
Most dealers have hourly master techs on staff that handle the difficult stuff and they're able to take their time.
For first few attempts that may be the case, but when you get on final repair, they send out their own tech. With years of working on them under his/her belt, and normally paid hourly or salary so time paid to fix it is not a issue. I have literally seen the manufacture techs spend a week on one car. That's 5 day at, at least 8hours a day (sometimes even 9 or 10). Also most companies pay 1hr (which is more than a oil change). Not to mention that once it is determined that wiring must be traced, in most cases a good writer can call the manufacture and get their tech paid straight time. Which means ever hour they spend on the car, is a hour they are paid.
@@kingkevin267 thanks for the detailed reply, I wasnt aware of the fly in tech, the video made it sound like a regional rep approving or denying the car to be lemoned, interesting to know manufacturers will spend a good amount diagnosing that because I'm sure a week of that techs time eats away at any profit they would make on that car but I'm sure it's a smaller loss than buyback obviously.
Time will tell. Best of luck.
I bought a SL55 at Manheim Riverside and am located 2000 milesfrom there, it was a buy back. I sold it to the lady it was bought back from! She was waiting for it to resurface for sale! I've sold 100's of manufacturer buy backs. most have been fantastic.
I'm amazed. My wife and I got our 3003 Subaru Forester bought back on our own with no outside help. It kept on cutting out. We video taped it Everytime we started it to prove it kept on stalling at startup. SC was the state. I hope no one else is driving it.
Great video enjoy the interview
Sam is the type of Dude who will invest in a Ponzi Scheme knowing is a Ponzi Scheme !!
I mean so does everyone else... That's how the money is made. You just have to say that you didn't know it's a Ponzi scheme to keep it legal :)
pa Sam is not the one making the Ponzi scheme...He’s the one buying the product. Lol Sam invested money in Bernie Madoff’s company after Bernie was locked up for fraud. 🤦🏻♂️
Oh, didn't know that. What company?
Some people actually do that alot of ppl actually made money off birdie Madoff aslong as ur one of the original investors u have to get paid Bak to keep the illusion going
wiire time True !! But you have to get out right after you get paid. Lol
Sam,
I emailed you about my lemon purchase in 2014. I Bought a 2014 GTI that blew a rod through the hood at 200 miles, and got labeled a lemon in NJ.
VWOA replaced engine, trans, and hood.
I purchased from auction for 16k, car has been flawless for the last 35k miles.
You made a good purchase.
The stuff I learn is great ^^ it helps me at my job I'm in the rental car business in the case of body damage
7:41 Send a letter over to my boys at G...... i don't want to say the manufacturer. Haha just say GM
Jeremy Jones Jeep.
Honestly there is no right answer here, because it all revolves around "what if".
I would say the only "safe" thing to do with a nearly new lemon would be to part it out.
I’ve followed Steve for a couple of years and found his advice to be flawless. That being said, I have a lemon law 01 BMW 330i that I’ve been driving for 15 years with no problems. It gets down to doing your homework and having a little luck.
I agree with Sam,anything can be fixed.It will be interesting how this turns out.
My camera was fixed. But it took them so long to repair it, it was eligible for lemon law. I didn’t have to hire anybody. I filed out the form on NYs website and mailed it to GM. A arbitration was scheduled and 3 days before arbitration GM called me and scheduled a appointment to return the car.
In certain states it is far easier than others.
you lemon lawed a car with a bad camera? geezz
@@teknowil There's no business like show business.
A lemon law vehicle would be one heck of an upgrade from my 96 rot box dodge lol
Just like you, it would depend on the reason for the buyback. It seems like some electrical problems that can be replaced/repaired might give you a bit more comfort than say a drive train issue. But again, in your circumstance, I think you won the lottery and got just the right combination of low mileage and an easy fix and saved some big clam-shells!
I am on team Steve. Keep us updated, hope you do get the deal you think you are getting, hope it is truly fixed.
Its worth it of its a rare car or a classic or a super car, as long as the price isnt as much as those cars used
It is most definitely situation based. Each case is different and so until you look into it you cannot say for sure if it is a good idea.
Love Steve's microphone collection!
I hope it works out for you :) It absolutely depends on what the issue was, for example, if it was the rear wiper on an SUV working only intermittently, I could put up with that for a 20k discount!
When he says “it wouldn’t be affordable to fix” do they factor labor hours to fix it as well? If you have the time and skill you could remove the cost of labor completely.
Opportunity cost is still there. If you're skilled enough to fit it then it still cost you you're time. You could have spent that time fixing someone else's car and charging them so you're losing out on the money you would have made doing that.
Samcrac needs sound deadening baffles on the wall.
His own personal echo chamber. :-)
Rip Burt :(
My guess is he doesn’t have it because it doesn’t look great and he usually don’t record videos inside.
As a broadcast engineer I would recommend a real microphone not one that is used for your cell phone. Listen to both of your audios, listen to the quality coming from the other end and look at his microphone. Enough said.
But the video quality is excellent.
sam,i agree with you 100%, everything can be fixed! you have more TIME than the techs that couldn't fix it.. if it were me id figure out what system the problem persists in, and tear the whole system apart and find that frayed wire,loose connection,bad switch, test everything. its not a matter of money, dont throw parts at it. take the time and find the problem,the longer you have to test and recreate the issue the more you can narrow it down, hell id even consider removing the whole start stop system or more likely permanently disabling it in ECU and see what happens
Normally I'm on team Sam! But I had a lemon that was bought back. It was a big headache. Good luck with your Lincoln, this time I'm on team Steve.
Twenty thousand dollars would pay for a lot of an auto electrician's time.
They could spend weeks with it.
So, yes, it's worth it, if you really want such an ugly car :)
I'm going to agree with your ugly comment. Fortunately beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
@@kruleworld good point
@@Meekerextreme You mean crossovers? :p
If the car was brand new and not defective how much would he pay? Definitely not msrp. Say the car is used with 1k miles and no lemon law how much less would he pay. My point is now he's down to a perfectly good car and paying 8 to 10k less. Add a deduction for lemon issues and. your really rolling the dice.
😒 yeah its a fugly car
Ahhhhh Sam live and learn. Lol. Best of luck in your predicament
I had the GM Major Guard warranty on my 2003 Trans Am. I bought the car with 26 thousand miles on it and everything was good. Well I put my foot in it one day leaving work just messing around with a co worker. The transmission bogged down and just wouldn’t shift…I took the car in 5 times and they just couldn’t figure out what was wrong…which made absolutely no sense as the issue was east to replicate.
I finally lost my shit on them and told the service manager I knew what he was doing and that I had everything documented…the Major Guard warranty when it was still offered covered your used vehicle bumper to bumper for 2 years with a 100 dollar deductible…and I was about 6 months before running out of warranty. So I knew they were stalling. Well I took the car in the 2nd to last visit and sure enough they come back and say they cant replicate the issue. I said no problem you’ll be hearing from my attorney…which was a complete bluff I was just surviving with the bills I had…never mind adding a attorney to the mix.
The service manger told me that was my choice.
So I went to pick up the car and when I made it to the dealership I had to wait for them to bring the car around. While I was waiting a really amazing guy named John Masten walked through the service center greeting customers and asking how the experience was. This guy is one of the tow guys who owned the dealership.
I had quite a bit to say to mr Masten!
He then came with me on a ride so I could show him exactly what the car was doing. I showed him just how bad the problem was and he flipped out on the entire service department…as he asked me who I’d been dealing with…I told him I’ve been here so much over the past few months that I’ve dealt with pretty much everyone. He had them take my car straight back and they completely replaced the transmission…and instead of me having to fork over another hundred bucks to get a rental he gave me a loaner car till mine was ready.
It’s amazing the factory bought your car back. My mom’s 2004 Pacifica would quit while driving and Chrysler would do nothing. Every time the dealership claimed it didn’t happen when they test drove it, then there’s nothing they could do.
Buying a lemon law car is like dating a divorced woman with kids!!!
Now matter how good it’s sounds it’s a terrible idea!!!!!
Well put sir.
So-cal Ozzy - right on man! Looks like you hit too close to home for someone lol.
Not if you are using a lemon lot on sat a military base where kids buy cars then get deployed and can't take the Xara either them so have to sell it cheap before they deploy
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Lmfaoooo
I'm on team "thanks for the knowledge!" Aka "The Fence Sitters"
A lot of good points in the video. And I agree, it could go both ways. Be smart about the purchase. I’ll submit a case in point here, I own a 2003 F350 4x4 lariat crew cab longbed, with 6.0 diesel. I bought it in early 2004 as a California lemon law truck, with 16k miles. I paid $32k out the door. (Original sticker was $54k) The report when I bought it showed a continued history of turbo intercooler connection failures. This was actually a known issue with the tubing clamp design on early 6.0’s that led to a recall later. This truck had been bought back before the recall was issued, but repaired with the redesigned parts. Flash forward, I still own the truck, & it’s been great to me.its seen a dealer 3 times, 2 for other recalls that came later, & once for a mechanics failure to correctly reassemble a wiring harness during a recall repair. Living on a ranch & being an old car addict, this truck earns its keep. Being smart about the buy paid off well for me.
Sam.. i think u hit the lottery with that car. Very lucky.. and yall 2 need a pod cast!! Very good video!...
What mileage have you done in that car to date??? If its a lemon, odds are it will need fixing within 1000miles of you buying it based on its previous record. If it gets to a few thousand miles, odds are they fixed the electrical problem. Assuming its history is accurate that is. I'm not convinced it should have been lemoned if that history is correct, and assuming the owner wasn't an idiot who didn't understand how the stop/start function worked, which is possible.
Also depends on the customer, what dealer wouldn't bend over backwards to help a customer who buys a few cars a year.
He said 900 in another comment.
@Abradolf Lincler 30000 miles huh? Rookie
Christian Buczko B.B.
Christian Buczko the problem is the manufacture had no idea how to fix the car. Or they would have before they where FORCED to buy it back.
Always team SAM!!! 👍
I am of the same opinion I was before. It depends on the failure, the repairs that were made to correct it and your skills in diagnosing and repairing the problem if it persists. In the case of your MKC I think you made a great deal and will be reasonable be able to diagnose and repair the failure if it occurs again. Someone less skilled may not have the resources to make further repairs should they reoccur.
Over the years I've purchased several lemon law vehicles and in each case I've been able to rectify the issue myself. One car in particular, a 2016 AMG, had an issue with the ECU that resulted in poor performance under hard acceleration. An aftermarket ECU and tuning specialist cost me around $3k and the car has run perfectly ever since. Other cars with issues ranging from electrical to drive line were easily rectified. The only vehicle I had issues with later on was a 2012 Ford F450 that had problems with the DEF system. I fixed that by removing the system entirely and haven't had an issue since.
So how is the lemon car? After 8 montj
I still say that there is a chance in this example you might have a good vehicle and that based on what happened the guy probably just didn't like it to be honest in this video Steve says it wouldn't happen but to be fair there will be outliers in every situation maybe you got lucky
interesting format with the 2 of you in different locations and two different video shots. nice
That's great information sam. Is the Audi finally all complete and driveable?
Lemon law is not only for 4 unsuccessful repairs. Many times it's because the parts take too long to get there. If the car is down for too long (I believe it's 30 or 60 days) then it can be lemon law.
Wtf does lemon car mean
Caveat Emptor good luck selling on the back end.....
I think you are correct that most things can be fixed. I know in many cases the dealer doesn’t really try to fix the problem the first time. They just want you to go away and live with the problem. By the time you have brought it back to them three times they are still just hoping that you go away or haven’t really documented the issue. In the case of your car this could easily be the case since it was in California where they only get three chances.
I'd have to say team Sam all the way in your particular case but then again you're a very astute buyer as well as having the ability to mechanically fix just about anything in the car