Which Is Best? Ford Pinto Carb Edition - 32/36 DGAV Vs 40/45 DCOE Weber
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- Standard Pinto Carb 32/36 Weber Vs Twin 40 DCOE AND Twin 45 DCOE. Dyno tested on the same standard 2.0 Ford Pinto engine.
Will it produce more horsepower? Watch till the end to find out!
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Great vid. Short.. to the point. None of this "hey I'm Bob and it a sunny day in Florida ....and im here to yadda yadda yadda.".. love a short video that screams info and exactly what the vid said it was. Thanks
On the 2.0 Ford pino motor for years I used stock points. I got a noticeable difference in performance with a aftermarket electronic ignition system installed myself. They offered lifetime warranty on the electronic ignition system. It did provide more horsepower and better gas mileage from my experience of driving this motor. 👍🤠
Joey ⚓
I love these videos, well explained to the point and very informative.👍👍👍
Great test. Cant wait for the next one.
Excellent video 👍
Cant wait loving the Pinto content but would love more xflow stuff pls Graham
i do have an x/flow build in the pipeline, it will be a bit different because it will be a 1900cc. it just that unlike pintos i dont get asked to do much x/flow stuff and i dont have a stock of engines and parts i can rummage through and turn into videos
Looking forward to the performance head being done. I've an injection head ready to be modified for fitment to my pinto 2.0.....wonder who I could turn to to do the head work....hmmmm long thought now.
I've stuck some down choked 45s on a standard 205 pinto engine and got 120bhp on the dyno, fitted them purely for the sound, but I wouldn't be fussed about going back to a twin choke if I had to. Great videos Graham
thanks, nice to see someone else got the same numbers i did
You should compare it to the weber 38/38 and see the differences and how much gain the is with twin manifolds, single manifold and standard downdraft manifold.
Great review
thanks
Excellent video
Glad you liked it
Great video, I love seeing evidence to dispell the nonsense. Although you forget you do have a 4 branch exhaust on so not 100% bog standard.
maybe, but effectively its the same as a mk2 RS2000 manifold, and not much different to a sierra manifold
I love these videos! Almost as much as I love pintos😂
Great! Thanks for sharing!
My pleasure!
M8 what you are doing is awesome.More vids for the 3236.
thanks, there is more stuff with the 32/36 in the pipeline
Back to back testing fantasic ! i use to see 125-130 on a standard 2ltr with 40's and a Piper 270 ... the real magic is in the head thou. So in thery on top of this test you need to follow it with a mild 270 cam test then a mildly sorted head using standard valves then say a gp1 with 44 inlets and 38 exhuasts ..... my RS2000 in the day was 136 @ wheels and 157ft , with a GP1 head and cam and a pair of 48's. A bit over carbed but that what it come with. When i brought it i poped it on the rollers and it was 98 @ wheels. Had a pants inlet manifold on it and about 9.1 cr. So new short straight inlet and @40 thou off the face a bit of a rejet and bingo ! keep them coming Graham
Could you try this experiment using motorcycle carbs (CBR1000rr). would love to see how much power can a pinto handle with a big turbo but my favourite is side intake Webber carbs.
The will be a bike carb test in the pipeline, I can do lots of tests but it relies on people lending/ giving me stuff to test.
Would love to see you run twin 32/36 webers. This would be a more fair test
but you cant go out and buy a manifold to take twin 32/36. the idea of the test is to show the difference between commonly used carb set ups
Hi Graham, big carbs less torqe...its significant if you use the car in the street...Im sure when you install big inlet valves and performance cam...change the data..which is the CR...original or 10.1???
Thanks, greatsss videos mate.
compression was the standard 9.2:1, as this engine had never even been rebuilt and had no mods whatsoever. Big carbs dont always loose torque, if carbs are too small bigger will gain torque, in this test the 40's had 2lbft more than the 45's, but both more than the 32/36.
Great work Graham can't wait to see the big valve head numbers. Do you know what camshaft you will run in the head?
the test was done a while ago, it was a newman P4, the video will be going up soon.
@@PenguinMotors awesome and thanks for all the info.
Mike
Great Video! What is the jet size and air corrector size in the 40’s? Thanks
i didnt record it and it was too long ago to remember, but it would of been something like 135 main 155 air
For the price and maintenance the 32 36 are a lot better and believe me I have a d15b2 with a po8-3 head no VTEC or turbo crap all motor with a Delta cam regrind 272 and header and lighter flywheel 10 pounds and gd clutch kit stage 2 and like I said she wake up to another level with the combo and the 32/36 Weber around 10.1 to 10.5 compression her sound is like a old school style muscle car like a old Ford as well her looks flare out on rear look like a toy with fade paint nothing fancy .And she pull like hell on wheels jjjj 🍻 born in the byouooooo for the streets 32/36 are the best in my opinion plus cheap easy to maintenance mystery oil is the key to kp everything lubricanted and running properly in any carb seals bow etc .amigo gd job
Do 38/38 run PLZ
These carbs work great on Honda Goldwings.
I'm thinking about putting double (or single but bigger) carburetor in my 1.3 L 60hp escort but the size is the question, is 40 too big any tips would be welcome
32/36 is plenty big enough
David Vizard did this comparison 35yrs ago, he only got 6hp at the top end, he said it was not worth the cost or the effort needed to fit these carbs to a stock pinto
each to their own, a lot of people like to upgrade in stages, or just want bolt on mods. either way im not saying what is or isnt worth while. im just sharing what i found.
Where did you source the sidedraft intake manifold from?
cant remember now other than it was budget ebay purchase
Be interesting to know if a rejetted dgav can match a 40weber?
Depends on which aspect you’re referring to and and exactly which 40 Weber your talking about
Hi, it an old video but which jets were you using?
sorry i couldnt tell you, time is always short when doing this stuff, so although i do a lot of jet swapping i never end up recording whats finally used
Minimum choke for 45's is 36 if you want some gain. 34 is max in cfm for 40' . Thx for video though
Not so, 34's actually work well in 45's on a mild engine, 34's are a waste of time in 40's
Hi, great work, i some kind of questions, I have a 1.6 xflow engine whit 0.60 1300cc pistons, 244 Kent cams, stage2+ cilinder head, 4-2-1 exaust manifold 2", what carbs I had put in this engine spec, I have a hiflow intake manifold and a twin 40 dcom webber whit 30 mm venturis, tho you think it is result I'm mk1 escort
im guessing 135-140 bhp, but i think you will need bigger venturi
@@PenguinMotors what venturis
@@joaoconstantino6799 32mm
@@PenguinMotors thanks, and continue work in this old engines and teaching us👌
Hi I have another question about xflow heads, when I put the double valve springs, the springs seat stay original whit two high levels, or have to be machined to the same level.
I'd love to see the torque curves, don't have to be all on the same picture. Perhaps show the torque curves on a separate graph . Your swede was in the way of the low numbers mate.
the torque curves were practically the same, @2500rpm the 32/36 and 45's were the same and the 40's 1 lbft higher. But if your at full throttle @2500, surely your in the wrong gear or need to buy a diesel????
@@PenguinMotors Cheers bud, totally agree with you about full throttle at 2500 but in my experience any combination that has has shown better torque at the beginning of the pull is crisper down low spamming around. Better metering at low air speed is good stuff.
So maybe 33mm chokes are the best choice? Would 34s on the 40 make the same power as on the 45s?
34 chokes in 40's would definatly not give the same power as 45's
@@PenguinMotors why tho ? does the 40s fails to flow more than with 32s ?
air flow through a 40mm carb does not go up when you go bigger than 32mm
@@PenguinMotors yea i saw an older video you did where you test 33mm chokes vs 32s earlier today
@@PenguinMotors also i have been wondering something , maybe stupid but what would happen to vaporisation if the venturies where the other way around ? with a slow decrease in diameter and a fast increase ? wouldn't that help mixing the fuel ? but it would probably create some loss in term of airflow
What will be a good jetting for a Weber 40dcoe for a modified 2l pinto engine
Single or twin? If it’s single don’t bother 32/36 will be better
For twin Weber dcoe
dont like giving out jet settings there are so many variables, but as a starting point something like 32/33 chokes F16 135main, 160 air 50 F9 idle. most of the time they will run on whatever is installed so it might be best just to fit carbs and take to rolling road and let them worry about jets.
Thank you much appreciated the pair I made up was bought from two different people so I'm trying to get it going.thank you once again god bless🙏🙏
By "chokes" do you mean jets?
no, Venturi's
@@PenguinMotors
Oh, I see.
38 DGAS?
what about a 38 dgas, its basically no better than a 32/36 on a pinto, infact in some senses its worse
@@PenguinMotors Yeah, I found your vid on that. I did it a few times as a kid, Vulcan head, 270 etc. It was nice that the response was quicker (so to speak) but always seemed to be just dumping fuel over half throttle. Didn,t know you done the video which is why I asked. I also wrongly commented about a 40dfi5 but my old memory has since realised that was on the V6. Good channel...