I think Froslass didn't "curse" the husband in the literal sense, more like he was filled with grief because the wife left him. It would fit with a bunch of other folklore of the time where discovering the identity of a Yokai would force it to leave. It's a common trope in Japanese folklore.
He probably didn't just lose his wife but his children, if the two snorunt are anything to go by... since pokemon are always the same species as the mother, it's likely that they were disguised as humans too until she left, reverting back to their true forms and leaving with their mother...
Sad relationships, breakups.... Its funny really....in the sense that such a story is akin to describing what 'could have been' , but the relationship was not meant to be because the woman was taken away , stolen, or betrothed to someone else due to how marriages may be planned. Or, the women did leave the man, perhaps by death or 'normal' reasons, or he simply left him But to also call her a 'snow woman' either as a metaphor or a way to 'spite' the woman, is also possible.
@@drakke125Channel the story is actually a referrence to the japanese folklore of Yuki Onna (snow woman) and also the inspiration behind Froslass design.
This one is pretty neat. This is a retelling of an actual legend about a man that was rescued by a yuki-onna during a blizzard. She told him to never tell anyone about her before disappearing. Years later, he tells his wife that she reminds him of the yuki-onna that saved him. I’ve seen it have three different endings. In one, she forgave him with a warning. In another, she disappears in a cloud of mist. And the last one has her kill him in a fit of rage.
i believe the first one was the original ending, the second came about later, and the last one during the time of trying to make yokai scary again, i could be mistaking this for another story though. but it could be a victim of that trend as well.
Did you really watch the video? The story is actually similar to some other folklores in Japan, like Urashimataro & Tsuru no Ongaeshi. The moral of the story is actually, never broke your promises, especially if you are a man.
The entries of Sun and Moon is sick, and the dex entries of Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon, Sword and Shield, or Legend Arceus doesn't make it better but more creepy and horrifying. Imagine that somewhere in the Froslass's cave is a man who was lost a long time ago, now frozen into ice, and Froslass eats his soul. And that man same once thought that he really could love the ice maiden.
Some people say a theory about why gen 7 and 8 dex entries like this. It's simply because it's filled by rotom dex. Theory says since rotom dex is literally a machine, it can't understand everything like how humans understand Pokemon.
@@PlatformingCyndaquil Because Pokemon isn't a realistic world, there live a lot of interesting and wonderful creatures that constantly break the laws of physics. So, don't take the world of Pokemons too seriously and think it’s our realistic world.
I tried to find entries on Glalie and encountered this one from Pokemon Sun: Legend says a boulder on an icy mountain absorbed the distress and regrets of a stranded mountaineer, giving rise to Glalie. The guy who wrote the notes mentioned having regrets. It is possible that after the guy who wrote the entries died(possibly while searching for her i.e. stranded mountaineer), the residual energy transformed him into a Glalie yokai style. The snorunts you see running around are possibly the Glalie and Froslass' children.
Frosslass is based on a yokai called a yuki onna. The spirit of a woman who died while lost in the snowy mountains. She will usually steal the breath from her prey: men. However, sometimes a yuki onna will fall in love with her prey and marry him. They can live happily after. Myth wise, there was one instance of a man marrying one, and one cold night, he asks her to take a warm bath. She refuses at first but does as shes asked. When he goes to check on her later, shes no where to be seen and all he sees is a puddle of water on the floor.
This reminds me of the story of the Crane Wife. How a crane was saved by a man and without him knowing changes into a human to be with him and help him. She would make things out of he own feathers in secret and had him promise to never watch her when she goes into the room to hide who she was. His curiosity got the best of him and he found out that she was hurting herself to help him, and because he found out who she was she had to leave forever for that was the deal she made so she could be with him. It's also from Japan and both of these stories are truly heartbreaking
To be fair, Froslass is based on the Japanese story of the yuki onna(雪女)/"snow lady" who pretty much kills guys during a winter storm except for one which she falls in love with. The fact that the makers somehow placed this story in PLA is so cool (no pun intended).
I literally just did this quest yesterday and was shocked I haven't seen anyone talk about it. When I got the first part of the journal I was like "oh ok dude got lost in the mountains and Froslass killed him." Then I got the second half and my thought process was like "wait a minute... Did they... They wouldn't, would they? THEY DID?! WTF GameFreak, you KNOW what the internet will do with this information!"
The idea that some pokemon who can alter reality, like Ghosts and Psychic types, can change their forms to marry humans is kinda interesting and scary.... just think, maybe Game Theory's video on Nurse Joy being a Chansey or Blissey that has taken human form to care for humans... might be more spot on than we want to admit or accept.
@@damienmitchell3104 well if we are willing to approach this theory from that point I dare say that fairy types are no less capalable of changing reality (and generally can have crazy/supernatural/magical powers) than ghost or psychic types. Well, ok, I checked to be sure and chansey line was not fairy type, but... it actually would make more sense to give this line a fairy type than Jigglypuff (which didn't seem like deserving/fitting it at all)
I think this is also connected to the Route 217 in DP/Pl/BD where you encounter a strange house in the middle of a heavy blizzard. You meet a lonely woman there and she says, "...A person...? ...A rare sight... ...Thank you for visiting... ...A gift...", when you’re given the Spell Tag. Though when you enter the house, she’s gone and the windows aren’t lit up anymore. This could very well be the same Froslass that experienced the human life and she’s just living her life in that route. Alone but happy to get any form of visitors, even if your character is the boy avatar, she doesn’t do anything to you.
honestly im surprised it wasn't Zorua and Zoroark given its shapeshifting abilities. Although we have seen human shapeshifting and mimic abilities from multiple pokemon who aren't ghosts or psychic....interestingly....
@@xenonlopo8387 There's an entire Egg Group for pokemon labled "Human Like". Since pokemon has egg groups it's safe to say that if two pokemon like Wailord and Skitty can have similar enough biology to bear children together, theres no real reason why a human and a Human Like pokemon couldn't bear pokemon. And going with Pokemon logic, since Frosslass would have been the female in the situation, having Snorunt children makes perfect sense.
@@xenonlopo8387 And a Whale and a Cat can't have offspring, but here we are. However a Whale, a Cat, and even a human are all animals and even more specifically, Mammals. Especially since this is a Japanese video game series, and more things imply they could then the other way around.
Unless I'm remembering it wrong, but I'm pretty sure some characters in Legends Arceus say that they were raised with their Pokemon. Implying that there's at least familial connections between people and Pokemon, at least during that time period. I wonder at which point *everyone* stopped viewing Pokemon as people. Or if there are still people in certain regions that *still* see them as people.
being 'raised with pokemon' would not meat a tarzan or mowgli story but rather similar to a family with a pet. The point people stopped viewing pokemon as 'near' humans, is quite easy, it happened some time after Legends Arceus. The reason why its easy to believe this happens not too far in the future is for the simple fact that pokemon are catchable and stored in pokeballs. The other reason is because humans use pokemon as tools or friends for good, neutral, or evil purposes. There is no evil pokemon, just evil people There is no evil gun committing crimes, just people committing crimes with them. God did not blame the rock for killing Abel. God blamed Cain. People view pets as family members. There's similar line of thinking with those who see pokemon as more than just pets, but as partners and friends who are animalistic and beasts from the natural environment. The people in the pokemon world do seem more in tune and 'green' with nature but that might be due to the influence of Japanese culture of being clean. Another thing that annoys me is how they think bowing is such a natural JP thing that its shared by people in countries outside of Japan, or in isekai worlds that are obviously European in nature. Or Egyptian. Or African. Or other. Bowing is a gesture, nothing more. It doesn't make your apology more effective, but unfortunately it does in JP, more often than not.
@@drakke125Channel I don't know how you did it, but by Arceus, you did it. You managed to turn Pokemon into a platform about gun safety and politics. Getting way, way, way back on topic: When a kid grows up with a dog, the kid doesn't say "I was raised with my dog!" the kid says "I had a dog!". The connection implied by those characters is closer to that of *siblings.* It's been confirmed for over a decade that people and Pokemon were equals in the past, to the point of even marrying each other. They're capable of communicating (I'm talking flat out spoken communication) with humans and some can even disguise themselves as human (Zoroark in B/W, B2/W2, for example). My point was, there's every chance that there's a region in the Pokemon world where Pokemon are standing on equal ground as people and that it could make for an interesting game.
@@drakke125Channel To be fair though. Pokemon and humans are biologically the same. It's also mentioned multiple times in the comics and a few times in the games that marrying pokemon wans't an oddity. Now I dunno about you, but I don't fuck my pets.
I love how they are staying true to a lore i forgot the name of the myth but its so similar even with the wife disappearing but I’m the story the man was sworn to keep his encounter with said yokai a secret of he told anyone he would die but what he didn’t know that his wife was the yokai who told him not to tell anyone
Just putting this out there, I thought that the "Froslass marrying a human" thing was common knowledge by now. Kind of surprised some people have not that much lore known about this pokemon
Well... IF it really is anything beyond folklore... which for now we just know for sure as here Frosslas was disguised as a woman, and also this was already an old tale...
personally I think it refers to when Pokemon were seen as intelligent enough to be considered persons, but whether if they have 'legal rights' is an entirely different story because at some point, they were seen as animals of the world, they're not the same category or level as humans at all, seeing how they are trapped/stored in pokeballs. Although there are 'human like' pokemon, there has yet to be a 'human' who can be captured by a Pokeball. In fact pokeballs are able to distinguish between humans and pokemon I believe seeing how they have no reaction to humans but only to pokemon. Pokemon and humans do not come from a common shared ancestor, but pokemon are still technically the 'animals' of the world seeing how scientific and/or pokedex entries explain how pokemon prey on each other. We used to have characters in Pokemon anime eat meat, but at some point starting around Gen 5 or Best Wishes season, everyone switched to an all berries/veggie diet only, and meat was never seen again. Also desserts/sweets are the only things that prominently exist alongside food that requires berries or other fruit as main ingredients. I repeat. Meat dishes are no longer portrayed in Pokemon anime. Anyone else noticing this? I can't be the only one...
@@drakke125Channel "when Pokemon were seen as intelligent enough to be considered persons" well actually assumption that ALL Pokemon are this smart seems rather farfetched. And actually some pokedex entries way beyond gen V (even in gen VIII) reffer to eating pokemons meat as quite normal thing. Well, it's technically an carrion of sorts (so no pokemon is killed for that) but still.
Considering that all life on earth evolved from Mew, I'd say humans in Pokemon are a lot more pokemon than in our timeline. Which also lines up with how different pokemon from entire separate evolution trees can breed with each other.
Also lines up with some humans having special powers. Ash has aura abilities and is therefore technically a fighting type. There is also blatantly powerful physic humans. So humans still technically have pokemon typing even.
Oh wow this story follows the story rlly closely I heard this tale myself for the first time a few weeks ago so while you read the journals I was thinking that. I'm glad you shared the full story for everyone
This explains how some people in the Pokemon world have powers: psychic, aura, N and his ability to understand Pokemon language, and that one girl who could speak to pokemon telepathically.
Dont forget the episode of an earlier pokemon series where Brock gets hoodwinked by a Ninetales and nearly marries an illusion of a beautiful lady. Man, hadn't seen that episode in over ten years, and this video reminded me of it. Needless to say, if it was canon, then it answers your question of whether or not the Froslass situation would still happen in modern times.
if people had part pokemon in them then it would answer how people in the pokemon series have powers like the psychic trainers you fight in games (like how they can levitate themselves or their pokeballs)
@@nullpoint3346 yea but I dont think everyone especially new fans would suspect that a pokemon and a human would have seggs in the first place for this to happen 😬
It's kinda unfair that the guy who married a Froslass and the guy in the story of the yuki-onna both lost their wives, especially the yuki-onna's husband. Technically, he never told anyone other than his wife, who was that same yuki-onna. Unless she specified not to even remind her of that memory, she shouldn't have left him and all that.
But what if the wife wasn't the Froslass/Yuki-onna? They would've broken their part of the "deal" with that. Because they spoke about it to another person. Msy it be the one deceiving them or a normal person. It's the same principle as killing someone. Even if it is in the name of the country you are fighting for, like in war. You still killed somebody.
both answers/choices were correct but basically she catfished him. The correct answer and choice is to not tell anyone even if its yuki-onna in disguise. The guy didn't know it was the snow lady, and therefore broke his promise. But he never told anyone else because they're a fake persona and it was snow lady all along, so 'technically' he didn't break his promise. But technically he did in snow lady's eyes because he told someone else who isn't snow lady in appearance. In the man's eyes he told someone else, not snow lady. Therefore he knowingly and made the intentional choice to tell someone who was not the snow lady even though it was snow lady in disguise. Basically like catfish tactic, if your gf or wife tells you not to cheat on them, and they disguise themselves as someone on the internet or phone to sleep with you, and you buy into it, then its technically cheating, same logic. Both perspectives are correct though. He cheated, but technically didn't. He didn't cheat, but he technically did. The man's fate is at the whim of the woman though.
This could also explain why some humans know how to use or even create Pokemon moves like the black belt who created the brick break TM in Sootopolis city or the guy who taught Ash's Buizel ice punch in the anime. Also explaining Bea training and even beating some of her pokemon like Machop or Machoke and Machop and Machoke are powerhouses able to break/destroy huge rocks/walls humans can't even imagine to destroy
yes but the question is, does that mean humans are 'copying' moves from Pokemon or vice versa? Pokemon are mysterious creatures in which it is possible for them to learn moves that have never been discovered before (or have been lost) through self-training or trianing/innovation from their trainer.
@@drakke125Channel both I would assume. People likely develop some moves, Pokemon develop most others, and the pokemon/people then pass on these move to the other mons they're with, and so on and so forth. Most moves are probably developed by pokemon first though, as I cant imagine any human being the first to develop something like leaf storm, draco meteor, or blizzard.
If Mani is actually an descendant from a human an a Pokémon, this could probably explain why there's humans in the Pokémon world with innate psychic abilities and other superpowers related to Pokémon, because they have Pokémon genes in their bloodlines.
Oh my goodness, this perfectly matches with one of the more famous stories about the Yuki-Onna (my favorite actually). So cool, but also sad. Also, I love the artwork you used. Beautiful!
Considering that Legends Arceus takes place two hundred years before Pokémon Red, Blue, and Yellow, it’s likely that the closest time frame we know of when humans and Pokémon were closest to one another was back during the time of AZ, three thousand years before the events of X and Y. Of course it’s likely it was even earlier, but we’ve yet to be informed of such a time period earlier than when AZ wasn’t granted a seemingly immortal body.
Doesn’t really surprise me that Pokémon can turn into human. I mean, Mew and Ditto can use transform, and Zorua and Zoroark can use their ability to make them look human. Plus, Latias in a movie can turn human. No surprise that ppl marries Pokémon, some Pokémon has human-like appearance or humans-like intelligence or even both. Alakazam most certainly do.
Fun fact: In Pokémon colosseum a lady says her life long boyfriend is a mightyena, and in let’s go a guy says he wants to give his girlfriend a water stone but he is afraid she will evolve and in the best wishes anime it shows a guy marrying his gothitelle. So yeah human Pokémon relationships are legal in canon. Theory: I have a theory that pokemon human relationships are probably legalized in places like Kanto but are illegal in places like sinnoh, that would explain why we see npc’s say they are dating a Pokémon in places like kanto, but not in places like sinnoh.
It kind of explain why most people would have different or unnatural hair colours if human themselves had connected with a Pokemon (if you know what I mean by "connected"). :)
@@ccarbs9204 Yeah there's definitely a lot of Gardevoir fucking going on in that family tree considering the green hair and their affinity for the Ralts line 😨
I finished this quest yesterday. Given the way the two Snorunt were acting, it makes me wonder if they were the children of the man and Froslass. They wanted to get the first half of the journal for her but when the Protagonist appears they get scared off. So the two Snorunt lure the Protagonist to the spot where Froslass attacks them, likely to take the first half of the journal to go with the second half she had. Hence why it vanished after being completed. I think Froslass took it because she wanted a piece of her husband.
I totally didn't know the Lafcadio Hearn reference. I don't think this is a coincidence, but his life span does cover the time of Legend Arceus, which should be around The Meiji Restoration. It's very cool this reference fits so well to the game.
@@HybridHero it’s deep lore like this that really brings Pokémon to life. Still thinking Game Freak made excuses with cutting Pokemon because they didn’t have time for it, or as some would say... SwSh being made for the 3DS and was hastily ported to the Switch. Let’s Go had high quality compared to SwSh, but both pale in comparison to Legends. Yes, I will not forgive Game Freak just yet for their breaking of their promise 20 years ago. Moving on... there has got to be a way to make the Hisuian forms become part of the modern games. Hisuian Decidueye’s dex entry says that environment influences evolution, but modern Sinnoh does not result Hisuian Typhlosion. What sort of region would have to be made to bring these final forms back? What do you think?
@@manoftruth0935 all Hisuian Starters have the arceus shaped marking if they are from PLK. Maybe, like the lords who know unique moves, the starters needs Arceus’s blessing to evolve. Especially since the non-native Hisuian starters seemed to be directed to you as if they knew.
You could easily get a dawn stone by running around and grabbing those parcels or whatever that appear on the map, they give you some special currency (forgot what it was called) and this lady near the battle arena in Jubilife Village will give you items needed to evolve pokemon for the special currency
This video in it of it's own helped me develop my fan made Pokemon, Cadger. This Pokemon is a steel and ghost type. The dex/story i made for Cadger was that at one point, a man loved keeping pokemon in cages, giving them all they needed to survive and thrive. While the man didn't mean any harm, his pokemon were soon mad at him. He tried to make the living conditions better, but cages could only go so far. They escaped and left the man broken and sad, and he passed away inside a cage where he kept his favorite pokemon. The cage gained sentience, and became Cadger. Cadgers usually keep pokemon inside them, and keep them well fed and happy, while feeding of their life force. But they do care for the Pokemon inside, and they would let them go if they aren't happy no matter what they do. Cadgers increase their when keeping small pokemon. The biggest they could keep are Greedents. While seeing this video, it made me create evil versions of the Cadgers. Like how cages are actually seen as. Male Cadgers, if evolved in the night with a dawn stone, become Poacherites. Poacherites first came when a Cadger saw his male trainer get taken away by a Froslass. He searched and searched till he found the cave, too late. His trainer was frozen, and his soul was taken. The Cadger cried, and when the Froslass came, it swore revenge. Taking the dawn stone, it used the power of the night and it's hatred to evolve into Poacherite. It trapped Froslass in it's jagged insides, torturing her for a long time, while sucking her life force. After she passed on, the Poacherite went to find more. It even settled with capturing ghost types, punishing them for the crime of existing. It's bars have spikes, forcing the Pokemon inside to stay still.
"The pokemon to marry a human we know of is Froslass." Makes sense. "She also cursed and killed him." That makes more sense. That's how Japanese folklore works, after all.
Something we should be understanding however is this quest doesn't mean people were marrying Wailord or Charmanders. This was an instance where, when Pokemon were still folktales and mythical beasts, people fell in love with a select few pokemon types that had the capability and compatibility. It stands to reason that ghost and psychic type pokemon that were humans once or were able to communicate with them would be the ones that married humans, not so much the purely bestial types like the eeveelutions or otherwise.
It is lore canon that pokemon can turn into people... and people into pokemon. Such as the boy who one day woke up and was an Alakazam I think it was. It just sorta randomly happens.
We also know that Latias can take on the appearance of a young female as well and she developed feelings for Ash. But I'm not sure how canon that movie is. I think it might be The Rise of Darkrai.
no, rise of darkrai was the sinnoh series, Pokemon heros- the movie you are talking about- was made in the Hoenn series. Latias was able to create an illusion of her being human, in particular one she grew up with and recognizes. Rise of Darkrai tho was a good movie tho and is my fav of the movies aside from the OG Pokemon Movie.
Throughout majority of the video I was amazed and in awe about this whole thing- I have a habit of glossing over details first time playing. Then you brought up the ten children with the two snorunts and I'm DEAD! XD
7:15 HOLY SHIT! That reminds me of an old folk tale my grandmother told me once. The tale of Yuki-Onna. From what I remember these two men, one older and one younger are taking shelter from the cold in a cabin (?) and this beautiful woman with pale white skin comes in and hovers over the older man, freezing him to death. She then notices the younger man but decides to spare him because he's young. But she says that if he ever tells anyone about that he saw, she'll come back and kill him. Years later he gets married to a beautiful woman and they have 10 children. (The details get a bit hazy here) something reminded him of the encounter he had with yuki onna and so he tells the story to his wife, only for her to reveal herself to be the yuki onna. She says that she would have killed him if not for the 10 children they had together, so she tells him that he must take care of them lest she come back and kill him. She then dissapears.
As my favorite Pokemon of all time. This side question blew my fucking mind. I knew it was implying something, but I just couldn’t quite put two and two together. Wicked cool analysis my guy! Despite how eerie and downright heartless Froslass is, it will always be my favorite Pokemon for those exact reasons.
That actually makes a lot of sense in hindsight. That’s why you always start off in the middle of nowhere (so your parents can keep it a secret), why you have such an immediate and strong connection with the starters (because you’re part Pokémon yourself), how you can catch legendaries and whatnot (they feel the truth in you and realize you’re different from the other humans, that you can live in peace with Pokémon on equal standings and not use them as slaves). And even in Arc Leg… why else would the god of Pokémon who wants to prove to the world that people and mons can live in peace, bring a random human to show that? Unless the person (you the player) was of mixed blood between both. Maybe that’s part of the reason the player character is so important to the stories and can do what you do. Not very well thought out blurb, but add what you guys want if you think this has some standing.
This is SO fascinating. Like...you could argue that humans and Pokémon are compatible and similar biologically and mentally, because they both have developed intelligence enough for rational decision making, and the ability to learn/communicate. And THEN you have the fact that humans in the Pokémon world are able to use certain Pokémon moves, or could be classified as such. (Psychic type, Fighting type...) Could humans be by default an evolved normal type Pokémon? Some kind of intelligent normal type primate that just evolved to the point of standing beside the monsters as separate...but equal?
I'm just fascinated by the prospect possibly ANY random Pokémon -not just Mew, Ninetails (the first fox Yokai pokemon), anime Meowth, Zoroark, Ditto, Latias, other Legendaries- can just learn to talk in human language and change into humans and seduce people. Imagine meeting a cute girl/guy, going on a lot of fun dates, then you wake up one day to find you got catfished by a Garchomp.
Hmm now that I think about this story, I noticed a few things of interest, more specifically the said promise of “the man telling no one about this incident and if he does she will take his soul” and the part where “he told his wife about meeting this scary but beautiful woman and that his wife is quite similar too her and it was then she revealed too her husband that she was that woman”. The main reasons why those parts stood out to me is mostly too do with the technicalities of the promise that they made. Like the promise says he must tell no one, but how does that apply if he mentions too the person he made that promise with, aka his wife who ends up being that yokai he made that promise with. She already knew about the promise so the term that he shouldn’t tell anyone about the incident doesn’t actually mean someone else cannot find out about the incident specifically, the promise said he must tell no one in other words he must not “speak” about it too anyone. That would mean instead of someone actually finding out about the incident that his soul would be taken, but instead if he himself actually “speaks” about it to anyone that his soul would be taken. Now how does that take back too the man’s yokai wife, well because it’s a good chance that he shouldn’t also speak too her about it either or she was originally planning on tricking him in actually revealing too someone that he believed shouldn’t have been involved in that incident. Those are two possibilities of why when he tells her this he technically broke the promise, but there’s another thing too consider and that is the morality of that said promise. In the human tongue the promise they made has two types of meanings behind the promise, one meaning is no one that wasn’t actually involved in this promise shouldn’t be told about it but it doesn’t actually stop for the actual people that made that promise too talk about too each other, the other meaning is the literal meaning which in this case even the people that made the promise should never talk about it at all including too themselves. The biggest thing about this promise is what exactly was the true meaning of this promise, has he truly broke it or not as he has technically did break it but also didn’t. Now the morality side comes in when she pretty much changes the actual curse she put on him, though I believe that the conditions of the original one would still apply because I believe the changes she herself went through and has built some feelings for him and her own children, out of morality for her own feelings but for also her own species and existence she had too make this new cures, one that wasn’t in his own control and would prove too her that all that she did was actually worth it or not in end. That’s what I think could be a good meaning behind the true motivation of the story and would make a lot of sense for Froslass as well
When I finish the quest, there is a shadow of Froslass on the ground behind me (a mere shadow, no other NPC was there beside me and the quest giver). So yeah, that’s explain where the journal went LOL. I freaking love Game Freak after this! Such dedication!
Invert those thoughts, because EVERYONE in Pokemon is descendant of pokemon at some point. The proper question is "why can't anyone else communicate with pokemon?" *_not_* "why can N communicate with pokemon?".
You just helped me prove a theory I've been thinking about ever since this game came out about someone pokemon world and the similarities they have with a person in the real world.
if pokemon and humans could produce offspring wouldnt it somewhat explain the psychic humans, a male psychic type having sex with a female human and that childs descendants would become psychics but due to that lineage being diluted by regular humans it would not be as powerful and need to train hard to attain regular psychokinesis.
That explain a lot, like the abilities that humans have in the Pokémon world. Also, isn't Kadabra a child of a human that turned into a Pokémon, according to the Pokémon lore? Maybe a male human and a female psychic pokémon could generate an Abra that looks like a human, and that Abra would eventually fully transform into a Kadabra.
New sub. Because I absolutely loved this video. I’m actually a competitive player but legends arceus has allowed me to step back and enjoy the many other things in pokemon. Loving these videos
It's funny because I had a vision way before I heard about the actual translation of Pokemon looking more humanoid in these little cloaks that had their elements printed on the back of their cloaks. I kinda want to animate that someday.
When I read the title and exactly what you were referencing and it made a big revelation for me because I was always kind of curious about that quest and what it really meant because you can never actually read the journal
Do you know the source of the picture of the husband & wife (with Froslass in the background) you were using in the video? Cause it looks very convincing to be officially licensed Gamefreak art.
In france, there a similar story, even if it's much more similar to the crane wife. It's melusine, the winged lamia, and a noble house said it's was their ancestor, putting her in their armoirie.
One of my Characters is a Slowking. Dr. King is the first Pokémon ever accepted into college. He focused on Volcanology and earned his degree. He was hired by the JGS as a volcanologist. (Johto Geology Survey.) His backstory is sad. He was a young Slowpoke living on a volcanic island. He was at sea when he witnessed the eruption. The eruption obliterated the island, leaving absolutely nothing behind. Slowpoke found his way to the Johto mainland. He wandered for months, trying to learn all he could about volcanoes. Coming across a discarded Kings Rock, he used it to evolve into SlowKing. He then taught himself the human language. He met Lance and told him everything. With Lance’s help, SlowKing applied and was accepted into college. He proved himself an excellent student, earning his degree and graduating with honors. His reason to become a volcanologist was so he could prevent others from going through the pain and loss he had. He is very good at his job. Thanks to him, everyone was able to be evacuated from Cinnabar Island in time before the Cinnabar Volcano erupted. He has been monitoring Mt. Mortar, Mt. Moon, and Mt. Silver. Again he was instrumental in getting warnings out in time for evacuations to be completed before Mt. Moon erupted. He joined the search teams searching for Red on Mt. Silver after he vanished.
This is so cool that they implement old folktale into pokemon lore. Makes sense they would implement Japanese classic folktale into a japanese product, this case pokemon. But it would be awesome if they took inspiration from other cultures' folktales. One that comes to mind is "La llorona." Mexican folktale that is well known in the entire latin america countries. and I'm sure other contries/cultures got interesting folktales as well. But I guess since Pokemon director/company is Japanese, they would not risk using other culture's elements as it could cause backlash from the sensitive/nationalist people.
@@Whispernyan I mean when ppl make such claims tend to give examples/proof. But ok. I'll check it out sometime and see if that's true. The only I guess comes to mind is that gen 9 elephant. Forgot its name
@@JDarkAngeI Here's a couple, Forces of Nature - Tornadous, Landous, etc. Their therian forms are based off the Chinese Four Symbols. The Alolan Dieties, the Tapus, are based of Hawaii's own "4 Main Gods" The Gen 6 Legendaries are all based off Celtric and Norse mythology, mainly relating to the Tree of Life. The Gen 5 legendaries are based off Ying and Yang. The Regis are based off Golems from Hebrew Based on you talking about Copperjaha I don't really know how that fits into Folklore. It's just an Indian Elephant. If you're just talking about pokemon designed after things that exist in places then I really don't know where you're coming from.
@@Whispernyan well that sounds legit. Thanks Tho wouldn't 100% consider that ones that come from China. The Japanese adapted and use a lot of Chinese customs, so I assume they aren't considered "Foreigner" to their culture, compared to say Western countries.
This is already confirmed though, does "because they were once the same" mean something else now? Has semantic shift accelerated to the point that language has broken down?
According to The Game Theorist, all the Nurse Joy's are actually Pokemon! Go find that particular video on their TH-cam channel. It's an interesting story.
bro whenever the froslass appeared I literally said out loud “that bitch killed my fucking homies bruh” I literally had no intent of saying it, the words literally came out of my mouth
Pokemon be going crazy.
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Quick question but how do froslass get souls of women if they evolve from snowrunt?
@@sixzero2733 Dawn Stone maybe contain human soul inside
@@sixzero2733 I think it's a proof this pokedex entry is just a folklore
I think Froslass didn't "curse" the husband in the literal sense, more like he was filled with grief because the wife left him. It would fit with a bunch of other folklore of the time where discovering the identity of a Yokai would force it to leave. It's a common trope in Japanese folklore.
He probably didn't just lose his wife but his children, if the two snorunt are anything to go by... since pokemon are always the same species as the mother, it's likely that they were disguised as humans too until she left, reverting back to their true forms and leaving with their mother...
Sad relationships, breakups....
Its funny really....in the sense that such a story is akin to describing what 'could have been' , but the relationship was not meant to be because the woman was taken away , stolen, or betrothed to someone else due to how marriages may be planned. Or, the women did leave the man, perhaps by death or 'normal' reasons, or he simply left him
But to also call her a 'snow woman' either as a metaphor or a way to 'spite' the woman, is also possible.
She left him just because he told her secret
this. most pokedex entries for me is just folklore or hearsay. common in asian countries for something that they not know better.
@@drakke125Channel the story is actually a referrence to the japanese folklore of Yuki Onna (snow woman) and also the inspiration behind Froslass design.
This one is pretty neat. This is a retelling of an actual legend about a man that was rescued by a yuki-onna during a blizzard. She told him to never tell anyone about her before disappearing. Years later, he tells his wife that she reminds him of the yuki-onna that saved him.
I’ve seen it have three different endings. In one, she forgave him with a warning. In another, she disappears in a cloud of mist. And the last one has her kill him in a fit of rage.
i believe the first one was the original ending, the second came about later, and the last one during the time of trying to make yokai scary again, i could be mistaking this for another story though. but it could be a victim of that trend as well.
Yuki onna also has some great h material stories
@@hyuka9544 no wonder why. An uncommonly beautiful ghost that seduces men to kill them? It is a perfect h material
I remember that story too. I read it in a book about zombies, ghosts, and other creatures like it.
Did you really watch the video? The story is actually similar to some other folklores in Japan, like Urashimataro & Tsuru no Ongaeshi. The moral of the story is actually, never broke your promises, especially if you are a man.
The entries of Sun and Moon is sick, and the dex entries of Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon, Sword and Shield, or Legend Arceus doesn't make it better but more creepy and horrifying. Imagine that somewhere in the Froslass's cave is a man who was lost a long time ago, now frozen into ice, and Froslass eats his soul. And that man same once thought that he really could love the ice maiden.
Some people say a theory about why gen 7 and 8 dex entries like this. It's simply because it's filled by rotom dex. Theory says since rotom dex is literally a machine, it can't understand everything like how humans understand Pokemon.
@Aqua Rius rotom is a Pokemon but i am talking about rotom dex. It maybe rotom but still
@Aqua Rius no he doesn't understand stand how HUMANS see pokemon
Why do any of you believe the pokedex. The professors just write this stuff to make us feel anger towards one another.
@@PlatformingCyndaquil Because Pokemon isn't a realistic world, there live a lot of interesting and wonderful creatures that constantly break the laws of physics. So, don't take the world of Pokemons too seriously and think it’s our realistic world.
I tried to find entries on Glalie and encountered this one from Pokemon Sun:
Legend says a boulder on an icy mountain absorbed the distress and regrets of a stranded mountaineer, giving rise to Glalie.
The guy who wrote the notes mentioned having regrets. It is possible that after the guy who wrote the entries died(possibly while searching for her i.e. stranded mountaineer), the residual energy transformed him into a Glalie yokai style. The snorunts you see running around are possibly the Glalie and Froslass' children.
the 'mountaineer' is the closest description and stretch to the word 'lumberjack' but a 'mountaineer'...seems kinda farfetched.
Froslass was always a personal fav because of the Yuki-onna lore and this is crazy and cool.
Why
Frosslass is based on a yokai called a yuki onna. The spirit of a woman who died while lost in the snowy mountains. She will usually steal the breath from her prey: men. However, sometimes a yuki onna will fall in love with her prey and marry him. They can live happily after. Myth wise, there was one instance of a man marrying one, and one cold night, he asks her to take a warm bath. She refuses at first but does as shes asked. When he goes to check on her later, shes no where to be seen and all he sees is a puddle of water on the floor.
@@ericedington1334 why do you like anything you like
@@ericedington1334 it's a Pokémon wit (quite litterally) cool concept
Same! :D
This reminds me of the story of the Crane Wife. How a crane was saved by a man and without him knowing changes into a human to be with him and help him. She would make things out of he own feathers in secret and had him promise to never watch her when she goes into the room to hide who she was. His curiosity got the best of him and he found out that she was hurting herself to help him, and because he found out who she was she had to leave forever for that was the deal she made so she could be with him. It's also from Japan and both of these stories are truly heartbreaking
the cultured people doing a doujin of this XD
@Kuurokuro fun fact, not all doujin is R18, doujin is basically the 'manga' or visual art vers of fanfiction in text.
@@RAGNATHEBLOOEDGE fgo beat you to it.
Seem's they might have reincarnated in the US. th-cam.com/video/UK4KCEpXdZ0/w-d-xo.html
This sounds like an Irish story I read too
To be fair, Froslass is based on the Japanese story of the yuki onna(雪女)/"snow lady" who pretty much kills guys during a winter storm except for one which she falls in love with. The fact that the makers somehow placed this story in PLA is so cool (no pun intended).
I literally just did this quest yesterday and was shocked I haven't seen anyone talk about it. When I got the first part of the journal I was like "oh ok dude got lost in the mountains and Froslass killed him." Then I got the second half and my thought process was like "wait a minute... Did they... They wouldn't, would they? THEY DID?! WTF GameFreak, you KNOW what the internet will do with this information!"
It went over most people's head lol.
@@sarthakarora3212 Literally Gamefreak’s thing during Gen 4, they just add subtle tidbits that is actually super grim- a start of their scary era 😂
doujin is COMING XD
This was a play on the myth of the yuki- onna, or snow woman- that froslass is based off of.
Linfamy covered it in a video. You might like it!
@@DeidaraSakurasama you do realise it's literally covered in this video right?
The idea that some pokemon who can alter reality, like Ghosts and Psychic types, can change their forms to marry humans is kinda interesting and scary.... just think, maybe Game Theory's video on Nurse Joy being a Chansey or Blissey that has taken human form to care for humans... might be more spot on than we want to admit or accept.
chansey and blissey lack those abilities but solid theory
@@damienmitchell3104 well if we are willing to approach this theory from that point I dare say that fairy types are no less capalable of changing reality (and generally can have crazy/supernatural/magical powers) than ghost or psychic types. Well, ok, I checked to be sure and chansey line was not fairy type, but... it actually would make more sense to give this line a fairy type than Jigglypuff (which didn't seem like deserving/fitting it at all)
It's real important that Brock never hears about this.
@@kamentrainerhorn2073 Don't you remember the Ghastly episode all the way back in season 1?
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That's my point. He'd do it all over again.
I think this is also connected to the Route 217 in DP/Pl/BD where you encounter a strange house in the middle of a heavy blizzard. You meet a lonely woman there and she says,
"...A person...? ...A rare sight... ...Thank you for visiting... ...A gift...", when you’re given the Spell Tag. Though when you enter the house, she’s gone and the windows aren’t lit up anymore.
This could very well be the same Froslass that experienced the human life and she’s just living her life in that route. Alone but happy to get any form of visitors, even if your character is the boy avatar, she doesn’t do anything to you.
She didn’t do anything, yet. But I was thinking the same thing, or it could be a different ghost?
@@roxxyblade3104 I'd say it's a different one
A Froslass instead of a Gardevoir. *My man had refined taste.*
chad
But where would he stick it in?
@@noice9193 the frosass
the doujin is coming XD
honestly im surprised it wasn't Zorua and Zoroark given its shapeshifting abilities. Although we have seen human shapeshifting and mimic abilities from multiple pokemon who aren't ghosts or psychic....interestingly....
The two snowrunts could of been the children of the man and froslass
Oh god
But humans and Pokemon probably cant have offspring.
I think
@@xenonlopo8387 There's an entire Egg Group for pokemon labled "Human Like". Since pokemon has egg groups it's safe to say that if two pokemon like Wailord and Skitty can have similar enough biology to bear children together, theres no real reason why a human and a Human Like pokemon couldn't bear pokemon. And going with Pokemon logic, since Frosslass would have been the female in the situation, having Snorunt children makes perfect sense.
@@WhispernyanI based this claim in that Pokemon are treated like animals with some more inteligence, and humans and animals cannot have offspring.
@@xenonlopo8387 And a Whale and a Cat can't have offspring, but here we are. However a Whale, a Cat, and even a human are all animals and even more specifically, Mammals.
Especially since this is a Japanese video game series, and more things imply they could then the other way around.
Unless I'm remembering it wrong, but I'm pretty sure some characters in Legends Arceus say that they were raised with their Pokemon. Implying that there's at least familial connections between people and Pokemon, at least during that time period.
I wonder at which point *everyone* stopped viewing Pokemon as people. Or if there are still people in certain regions that *still* see them as people.
being 'raised with pokemon' would not meat a tarzan or mowgli story but rather similar to a family with a pet.
The point people stopped viewing pokemon as 'near' humans, is quite easy, it happened some time after Legends Arceus.
The reason why its easy to believe this happens not too far in the future is for the simple fact that pokemon are catchable and stored in pokeballs.
The other reason is because humans use pokemon as tools or friends for good, neutral, or evil purposes.
There is no evil pokemon, just evil people
There is no evil gun committing crimes, just people committing crimes with them.
God did not blame the rock for killing Abel. God blamed Cain.
People view pets as family members. There's similar line of thinking with those who see pokemon as more than just pets, but as partners and friends who are animalistic and beasts from the natural environment. The people in the pokemon world do seem more in tune and 'green' with nature but that might be due to the influence of Japanese culture of being clean.
Another thing that annoys me is how they think bowing is such a natural JP thing that its shared by people in countries outside of Japan, or in isekai worlds that are obviously European in nature. Or Egyptian. Or African. Or other. Bowing is a gesture, nothing more. It doesn't make your apology more effective, but unfortunately it does in JP, more often than not.
@@drakke125Channel
I don't know how you did it, but by Arceus, you did it. You managed to turn Pokemon into a platform about gun safety and politics.
Getting way, way, way back on topic:
When a kid grows up with a dog, the kid doesn't say "I was raised with my dog!" the kid says "I had a dog!". The connection implied by those characters is closer to that of *siblings.* It's been confirmed for over a decade that people and Pokemon were equals in the past, to the point of even marrying each other.
They're capable of communicating (I'm talking flat out spoken communication) with humans and some can even disguise themselves as human (Zoroark in B/W, B2/W2, for example). My point was, there's every chance that there's a region in the Pokemon world where Pokemon are standing on equal ground as people and that it could make for an interesting game.
@@drakke125Channel To be fair though. Pokemon and humans are biologically the same. It's also mentioned multiple times in the comics and a few times in the games that marrying pokemon wans't an oddity.
Now I dunno about you, but I don't fuck my pets.
I view my dogs not a pets, but family members. They just have more legs and a tail. Some probably still do.
Mai said she was raised with her munchlax like her brother and Irida also says that she and her glaceon grew up as sisters
I love how they are staying true to a lore i forgot the name of the myth but its so similar even with the wife disappearing but I’m the story the man was sworn to keep his encounter with said yokai a secret of he told anyone he would die but what he didn’t know that his wife was the yokai who told him not to tell anyone
Pssst… Watch the rest of the video 👀
@@HybridHero sorry i was on auto pilot
This is so sick. I'm glad that they are expanding on old lore
Me too, as weird as it is I’m glad the old myth actually lead to something
True dat meganium
wait the gardevoir XD
Just putting this out there, I thought that the "Froslass marrying a human" thing was common knowledge by now. Kind of surprised some people have not that much lore known about this pokemon
Well it’s based on Yuki-onna but I don’t reallly think of Pokémon marrying humans at all lol
Salazzle do so as well btw. Even in the modern pokemon age. They will have humans in their "harem" yeah. T
I think the "once were the same" refers to when Pokemon were seen as people, rather than pets. As in, they had legal personhood
Well... IF it really is anything beyond folklore... which for now we just know for sure as here Frosslas was disguised as a woman, and also this was already an old tale...
personally I think it refers to when Pokemon were seen as intelligent enough to be considered persons, but whether if they have 'legal rights' is an entirely different story because at some point, they were seen as animals of the world, they're not the same category or level as humans at all, seeing how they are trapped/stored in pokeballs.
Although there are 'human like' pokemon, there has yet to be a 'human' who can be captured by a Pokeball. In fact pokeballs are able to distinguish between humans and pokemon I believe seeing how they have no reaction to humans but only to pokemon.
Pokemon and humans do not come from a common shared ancestor, but pokemon are still technically the 'animals' of the world seeing how scientific and/or pokedex entries explain how pokemon prey on each other.
We used to have characters in Pokemon anime eat meat, but at some point starting around Gen 5 or Best Wishes season, everyone switched to an all berries/veggie diet only, and meat was never seen again. Also desserts/sweets are the only things that prominently exist alongside food that requires berries or other fruit as main ingredients.
I repeat. Meat dishes are no longer portrayed in Pokemon anime. Anyone else noticing this? I can't be the only one...
@@drakke125Channel "when Pokemon were seen as intelligent enough to be considered persons" well actually assumption that ALL Pokemon are this smart seems rather farfetched.
And actually some pokedex entries way beyond gen V (even in gen VIII) reffer to eating pokemons meat as quite normal thing. Well, it's technically an carrion of sorts (so no pokemon is killed for that) but still.
So...furries?
Considering that all life on earth evolved from Mew, I'd say humans in Pokemon are a lot more pokemon than in our timeline. Which also lines up with how different pokemon from entire separate evolution trees can breed with each other.
Also lines up with some humans having special powers. Ash has aura abilities and is therefore technically a fighting type. There is also blatantly powerful physic humans. So humans still technically have pokemon typing even.
Oh wow this story follows the story rlly closely I heard this tale myself for the first time a few weeks ago so while you read the journals I was thinking that. I'm glad you shared the full story for everyone
This explains how some people in the Pokemon world have powers: psychic, aura, N and his ability to understand Pokemon language, and that one girl who could speak to pokemon telepathically.
Dont forget the episode of an earlier pokemon series where Brock gets hoodwinked by a Ninetales and nearly marries an illusion of a beautiful lady. Man, hadn't seen that episode in over ten years, and this video reminded me of it. Needless to say, if it was canon, then it answers your question of whether or not the Froslass situation would still happen in modern times.
if people had part pokemon in them then it would answer how people in the pokemon series have powers like the psychic trainers you fight in games (like how they can levitate themselves or their pokeballs)
And I had thought this was common knowledge.
@@nullpoint3346 yea but I dont think everyone especially new fans would suspect that a pokemon and a human would have seggs in the first place for this to happen 😬
So what you say is that humans just got some Egg Moves.
I love everything about Froslass! She's my favorite Ice-Type. As a matter of fact, I never travel without one on my team.
It's kinda unfair that the guy who married a Froslass and the guy in the story of the yuki-onna both lost their wives, especially the yuki-onna's husband. Technically, he never told anyone other than his wife, who was that same yuki-onna. Unless she specified not to even remind her of that memory, she shouldn't have left him and all that.
It’s honestly heart breaking.
But what if the wife wasn't the Froslass/Yuki-onna?
They would've broken their part of the "deal" with that.
Because they spoke about it to another person. Msy it be the one deceiving them or a normal person.
It's the same principle as killing someone. Even if it is in the name of the country you are fighting for, like in war. You still killed somebody.
both answers/choices were correct but basically she catfished him. The correct answer and choice is to not tell anyone even if its yuki-onna in disguise. The guy didn't know it was the snow lady, and therefore broke his promise. But he never told anyone else because they're a fake persona and it was snow lady all along, so 'technically' he didn't break his promise. But technically he did in snow lady's eyes because he told someone else who isn't snow lady in appearance.
In the man's eyes he told someone else, not snow lady. Therefore he knowingly and made the intentional choice to tell someone who was not the snow lady even though it was snow lady in disguise.
Basically like catfish tactic, if your gf or wife tells you not to cheat on them, and they disguise themselves as someone on the internet or phone to sleep with you, and you buy into it, then its technically cheating, same logic.
Both perspectives are correct though. He cheated, but technically didn't. He didn't cheat, but he technically did.
The man's fate is at the whim of the woman though.
Now, I worried about Paul hopefully he release her
she just wants an excuse to leave him and his child
It's cool that Pokemon referenced the Yuki-onna story from the Japanese Icelands by a Pokemon literally based on the Yuki-Onna.
This could also explain why some humans know how to use or even create Pokemon moves like the black belt who created the brick break TM in Sootopolis city or the guy who taught Ash's Buizel ice punch in the anime. Also explaining Bea training and even beating some of her pokemon like Machop or Machoke and Machop and Machoke are powerhouses able to break/destroy huge rocks/walls humans can't even imagine to destroy
Or how the psychic trainer class literally has psychic powers
yes but the question is, does that mean humans are 'copying' moves from Pokemon or vice versa? Pokemon are mysterious creatures in which it is possible for them to learn moves that have never been discovered before (or have been lost) through self-training or trianing/innovation from their trainer.
Remember how breeding works in the games. The mother determines the phenotype and the father determines the powers.
@@drakke125Channel both I would assume. People likely develop some moves, Pokemon develop most others, and the pokemon/people then pass on these move to the other mons they're with, and so on and so forth.
Most moves are probably developed by pokemon first though, as I cant imagine any human being the first to develop something like leaf storm, draco meteor, or blizzard.
@@nullpoint3346 mediums are children of humans and psychic types confirmed?
If Mani is actually an descendant from a human an a Pokémon, this could probably explain why there's humans in the Pokémon world with innate psychic abilities and other superpowers related to Pokémon, because they have Pokémon genes in their bloodlines.
Including ash with his aura abilities in lucario and the mystery of mew.
Oh my goodness, this perfectly matches with one of the more famous stories about the Yuki-Onna (my favorite actually). So cool, but also sad.
Also, I love the artwork you used. Beautiful!
Man this is legit content, props, never imagined I would see a YT video about Pokemon with so much research and details! Props again, great job
Dude really just told his wife he thought a pokemon was hot and was immediately abandoned
Considering that Legends Arceus takes place two hundred years before Pokémon Red, Blue, and Yellow, it’s likely that the closest time frame we know of when humans and Pokémon were closest to one another was back during the time of AZ, three thousand years before the events of X and Y. Of course it’s likely it was even earlier, but we’ve yet to be informed of such a time period earlier than when AZ wasn’t granted a seemingly immortal body.
Doesn’t really surprise me that Pokémon can turn into human. I mean, Mew and Ditto can use transform, and Zorua and Zoroark can use their ability to make them look human. Plus, Latias in a movie can turn human.
No surprise that ppl marries Pokémon, some Pokémon has human-like appearance or humans-like intelligence or even both. Alakazam most certainly do.
Not to mention Ninetails who are known to be masters of illusion just like the 9 tailed kitsune in japanese folklore.
Y'all know how wack Alakazam's Pokedex entry is.
I always figured it was a Gardevoir, but it totally makes sense that it was the pokemon based on a Yuki-onna.
Gardevoir wearing a kimono?
Are you stupid ?
(Although if there’s a regional form of gardevoir with a kimono in the next games that would be cool »
Fun fact: In Pokémon colosseum a lady says her life long boyfriend is a mightyena, and in let’s go a guy says he wants to give his girlfriend a water stone but he is afraid she will evolve and in the best wishes anime it shows a guy marrying his gothitelle. So yeah human Pokémon relationships are legal in canon. Theory: I have a theory that pokemon human relationships are probably legalized in places like Kanto but are illegal in places like sinnoh, that would explain why we see npc’s say they are dating a Pokémon in places like kanto, but not in places like sinnoh.
Actually Froslass used to be a human but died and their soul was transformed into a pokemon.
You're right, but this story implied she was arleady a Froslass when she married the man.
legend of arceus definitely has darker tones, I hope they continue to add more stuff like this!
It kind of explain why most people would have different or unnatural hair colours if human themselves had connected with a Pokemon (if you know what I mean by "connected"). :)
Like how wallys ancestor fucked a gardevoir
@@ccarbs9204 Yeah there's definitely a lot of Gardevoir fucking going on in that family tree considering the green hair and their affinity for the Ralts line 😨
cultured man XD
@@sawk1875 ah.. I see
i thought we were assuming diff color hair is an anime thing....
This is a ironically heartwarming, yet sad Story
Heartwarming how? That his grief caused him more pain than being murdered by a froslas ever could?
@@nullpoint3346 But at least he had Children, he could still grow from the experience and most importantly, was still alive
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I agree.
I finished this quest yesterday. Given the way the two Snorunt were acting, it makes me wonder if they were the children of the man and Froslass. They wanted to get the first half of the journal for her but when the Protagonist appears they get scared off.
So the two Snorunt lure the Protagonist to the spot where Froslass attacks them, likely to take the first half of the journal to go with the second half she had. Hence why it vanished after being completed. I think Froslass took it because she wanted a piece of her husband.
..this hits different now
I totally didn't know the Lafcadio Hearn reference. I don't think this is a coincidence, but his life span does cover the time of Legend Arceus, which should be around The Meiji Restoration. It's very cool this reference fits so well to the game.
It’s disturbing, but I still wanted to catch the Froslass. Dawn Stones are hard to find.
Super disturbing but it exists which is still crazy to think about
@@HybridHero it’s deep lore like this that really brings Pokémon to life.
Still thinking Game Freak made excuses with cutting Pokemon because they didn’t have time for it, or as some would say... SwSh being made for the 3DS and was hastily ported to the Switch.
Let’s Go had high quality compared to SwSh, but both pale in comparison to Legends.
Yes, I will not forgive Game Freak just yet for their breaking of their promise 20 years ago.
Moving on... there has got to be a way to make the Hisuian forms become part of the modern games. Hisuian Decidueye’s dex entry says that environment influences evolution, but modern Sinnoh does not result Hisuian Typhlosion. What sort of region would have to be made to bring these final forms back? What do you think?
@@manoftruth0935 all Hisuian Starters have the arceus shaped marking if they are from PLK. Maybe, like the lords who know unique moves, the starters needs Arceus’s blessing to evolve. Especially since the non-native Hisuian starters seemed to be directed to you as if they knew.
You could easily get a dawn stone by running around and grabbing those parcels or whatever that appear on the map, they give you some special currency (forgot what it was called) and this lady near the battle arena in Jubilife Village will give you items needed to evolve pokemon for the special currency
@@manoftruth0935 about what promise from 20 years ago are Yoy talking?
The 2 snorunt are the children of froslass and the kids in the story.
What if the rest of the kids are human and they have ice power
This video in it of it's own helped me develop my fan made Pokemon, Cadger. This Pokemon is a steel and ghost type. The dex/story i made for Cadger was that at one point, a man loved keeping pokemon in cages, giving them all they needed to survive and thrive. While the man didn't mean any harm, his pokemon were soon mad at him. He tried to make the living conditions better, but cages could only go so far. They escaped and left the man broken and sad, and he passed away inside a cage where he kept his favorite pokemon. The cage gained sentience, and became Cadger. Cadgers usually keep pokemon inside them, and keep them well fed and happy, while feeding of their life force. But they do care for the Pokemon inside, and they would let them go if they aren't happy no matter what they do. Cadgers increase their when keeping small pokemon. The biggest they could keep are Greedents.
While seeing this video, it made me create evil versions of the Cadgers. Like how cages are actually seen as. Male Cadgers, if evolved in the night with a dawn stone, become Poacherites. Poacherites first came when a Cadger saw his male trainer get taken away by a Froslass. He searched and searched till he found the cave, too late. His trainer was frozen, and his soul was taken. The Cadger cried, and when the Froslass came, it swore revenge. Taking the dawn stone, it used the power of the night and it's hatred to evolve into Poacherite. It trapped Froslass in it's jagged insides, torturing her for a long time, while sucking her life force. After she passed on, the Poacherite went to find more. It even settled with capturing ghost types, punishing them for the crime of existing. It's bars have spikes, forcing the Pokemon inside to stay still.
Wow this is so good!
"The pokemon to marry a human we know of is Froslass."
Makes sense.
"She also cursed and killed him."
That makes more sense.
That's how Japanese folklore works, after all.
No one talking about froslass after the leak
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or tentacool from the manga
Something we should be understanding however is this quest doesn't mean people were marrying Wailord or Charmanders. This was an instance where, when Pokemon were still folktales and mythical beasts, people fell in love with a select few pokemon types that had the capability and compatibility. It stands to reason that ghost and psychic type pokemon that were humans once or were able to communicate with them would be the ones that married humans, not so much the purely bestial types like the eeveelutions or otherwise.
It is lore canon that pokemon can turn into people... and people into pokemon. Such as the boy who one day woke up and was an Alakazam I think it was. It just sorta randomly happens.
We also know that Latias can take on the appearance of a young female as well and she developed feelings for Ash. But I'm not sure how canon that movie is. I think it might be The Rise of Darkrai.
no, rise of darkrai was the sinnoh series, Pokemon heros- the movie you are talking about- was made in the Hoenn series. Latias was able to create an illusion of her being human, in particular one she grew up with and recognizes. Rise of Darkrai tho was a good movie tho and is my fav of the movies aside from the OG Pokemon Movie.
Throughout majority of the video I was amazed and in awe about this whole thing- I have a habit of glossing over details first time playing. Then you brought up the ten children with the two snorunts and I'm DEAD! XD
7:15 HOLY SHIT! That reminds me of an old folk tale my grandmother told me once. The tale of Yuki-Onna. From what I remember these two men, one older and one younger are taking shelter from the cold in a cabin (?) and this beautiful woman with pale white skin comes in and hovers over the older man, freezing him to death. She then notices the younger man but decides to spare him because he's young. But she says that if he ever tells anyone about that he saw, she'll come back and kill him. Years later he gets married to a beautiful woman and they have 10 children. (The details get a bit hazy here) something reminded him of the encounter he had with yuki onna and so he tells the story to his wife, only for her to reveal herself to be the yuki onna. She says that she would have killed him if not for the 10 children they had together, so she tells him that he must take care of them lest she come back and kill him. She then dissapears.
10:16 HAHAHAHAHA I WAS RIGHT
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lol :D
As my favorite Pokemon of all time. This side question blew my fucking mind. I knew it was implying something, but I just couldn’t quite put two and two together. Wicked cool analysis my guy! Despite how eerie and downright heartless Froslass is, it will always be my favorite Pokemon for those exact reasons.
My theory is a lest some of the Player Charcters are Human/Pokemon Hybrids. Which might be why many don't have dads. because your father is a Pokemon.
That actually makes a lot of sense in hindsight. That’s why you always start off in the middle of nowhere (so your parents can keep it a secret), why you have such an immediate and strong connection with the starters (because you’re part Pokémon yourself), how you can catch legendaries and whatnot (they feel the truth in you and realize you’re different from the other humans, that you can live in peace with Pokémon on equal standings and not use them as slaves). And even in Arc Leg… why else would the god of Pokémon who wants to prove to the world that people and mons can live in peace, bring a random human to show that? Unless the person (you the player) was of mixed blood between both. Maybe that’s part of the reason the player character is so important to the stories and can do what you do. Not very well thought out blurb, but add what you guys want if you think this has some standing.
This is actually really interesting. At least they didn’t go with the meme and make the first Human-Pokémon marriage a Lopunny or Gardevoir.
This is SO fascinating.
Like...you could argue that humans and Pokémon are compatible and similar biologically and mentally, because they both have developed intelligence enough for rational decision making, and the ability to learn/communicate. And THEN you have the fact that humans in the Pokémon world are able to use certain Pokémon moves, or could be classified as such. (Psychic type, Fighting type...)
Could humans be by default an evolved normal type Pokémon? Some kind of intelligent normal type primate that just evolved to the point of standing beside the monsters as separate...but equal?
If course a Greek-Japanese author would make a story about a monster/mythical creature marrying a beautiful man and have children with him...
I'm just fascinated by the prospect possibly ANY random Pokémon -not just Mew, Ninetails (the first fox Yokai pokemon), anime Meowth, Zoroark, Ditto, Latias, other Legendaries- can just learn to talk in human language and change into humans and seduce people.
Imagine meeting a cute girl/guy, going on a lot of fun dates, then you wake up one day to find you got catfished by a Garchomp.
Hmm now that I think about this story, I noticed a few things of interest, more specifically the said promise of “the man telling no one about this incident and if he does she will take his soul” and the part where “he told his wife about meeting this scary but beautiful woman and that his wife is quite similar too her and it was then she revealed too her husband that she was that woman”.
The main reasons why those parts stood out to me is mostly too do with the technicalities of the promise that they made. Like the promise says he must tell no one, but how does that apply if he mentions too the person he made that promise with, aka his wife who ends up being that yokai he made that promise with.
She already knew about the promise so the term that he shouldn’t tell anyone about the incident doesn’t actually mean someone else cannot find out about the incident specifically, the promise said he must tell no one in other words he must not “speak” about it too anyone. That would mean instead of someone actually finding out about the incident that his soul would be taken, but instead if he himself actually “speaks” about it to anyone that his soul would be taken.
Now how does that take back too the man’s yokai wife, well because it’s a good chance that he shouldn’t also speak too her about it either or she was originally planning on tricking him in actually revealing too someone that he believed shouldn’t have been involved in that incident. Those are two possibilities of why when he tells her this he technically broke the promise, but there’s another thing too consider and that is the morality of that said promise. In the human tongue the promise they made has two types of meanings behind the promise, one meaning is no one that wasn’t actually involved in this promise shouldn’t be told about it but it doesn’t actually stop for the actual people that made that promise too talk about too each other, the other meaning is the literal meaning which in this case even the people that made the promise should never talk about it at all including too themselves.
The biggest thing about this promise is what exactly was the true meaning of this promise, has he truly broke it or not as he has technically did break it but also didn’t. Now the morality side comes in when she pretty much changes the actual curse she put on him, though I believe that the conditions of the original one would still apply because I believe the changes she herself went through and has built some feelings for him and her own children, out of morality for her own feelings but for also her own species and existence she had too make this new cures, one that wasn’t in his own control and would prove too her that all that she did was actually worth it or not in end.
That’s what I think could be a good meaning behind the true motivation of the story and would make a lot of sense for Froslass as well
When I finish the quest, there is a shadow of Froslass on the ground behind me (a mere shadow, no other NPC was there beside me and the quest giver). So yeah, that’s explain where the journal went LOL. I freaking love Game Freak after this! Such dedication!
This makes me wonder about Lord N’s bloodline since he can communicate with Pokémon
Invert those thoughts, because EVERYONE in Pokemon is descendant of pokemon at some point.
The proper question is "why can't anyone else communicate with pokemon?" *_not_* "why can N communicate with pokemon?".
Gardivoir
You just helped me prove a theory I've been thinking about ever since this game came out about someone pokemon world and the similarities they have with a person in the real world.
Mans was screaming “Froslass, I choose you!”
if pokemon and humans could produce offspring wouldnt it somewhat explain the psychic humans, a male psychic type having sex with a female human and that childs descendants would become psychics but due to that lineage being diluted by regular humans it would not be as powerful and need to train hard to attain regular psychokinesis.
That explain a lot, like the abilities that humans have in the Pokémon world.
Also, isn't Kadabra a child of a human that turned into a Pokémon, according to the Pokémon lore?
Maybe a male human and a female psychic pokémon could generate an Abra that looks like a human, and that Abra would eventually fully transform into a Kadabra.
My guy clapping that frozen ghost cheeks
XDDDDDD
It was a struggle of many decades, but we finally did it, gamers. Human on Pokeymom representation.
I guess that means that those two Snorunt in the quest are Mani's cousins.
To be fair the dark backstory of a Froslass is she is the spirit of a woman that died up in the mountains.
Seeing this vid reminds me that latias also shape-shifted in that Pokémon film
New sub. Because I absolutely loved this video. I’m actually a competitive player but legends arceus has allowed me to step back and enjoy the many other things in pokemon. Loving these videos
Considering how smart most pokemons are, i wouldn't be surprised if it did happen in modern times in pokemon too
It's funny because I had a vision way before I heard about the actual translation of Pokemon looking more humanoid in these little cloaks that had their elements printed on the back of their cloaks. I kinda want to animate that someday.
I can see alot of people really wanting to go to the Pokemon world cause of what he said about marriage between a pokemon and human
The new intro is sick
Either you're new or very very old to this channel cause I've had this intro for 2 years now ahaha
@@HybridHero ahh.. I started watching the channel in the leak season and you always had the giveaway notice instead of the intro. My bad
Perhaps this Frosslass came to think of this human differently.
There's always a first for anything.
Anyone who knows the Yuki Onna myth that inspired Froslass shouldn't be surprised.
Still kinda surprised
@@HybridHero Yeah. Nice of them to reference the myth :)
Imagine this being explored in the anime🙄! I am glad this was in my recommendation, very amazing video👏👏🙂.
When I read the title and exactly what you were referencing and it made a big revelation for me because I was always kind of curious about that quest and what it really meant because you can never actually read the journal
Do you know the source of the picture of the husband & wife (with Froslass in the background) you were using in the video?
Cause it looks very convincing to be officially licensed Gamefreak art.
It’s art that I personally commissioned from Maikya. The link to the artist is in the description below
In france, there a similar story, even if it's much more similar to the crane wife.
It's melusine, the winged lamia, and a noble house said it's was their ancestor, putting her in their armoirie.
One of my Characters is a Slowking. Dr. King is the first Pokémon ever accepted into college. He focused on Volcanology and earned his degree. He was hired by the JGS as a volcanologist. (Johto Geology Survey.)
His backstory is sad. He was a young Slowpoke living on a volcanic island. He was at sea when he witnessed the eruption. The eruption obliterated the island, leaving absolutely nothing behind. Slowpoke found his way to the Johto mainland. He wandered for months, trying to learn all he could about volcanoes.
Coming across a discarded Kings Rock, he used it to evolve into SlowKing. He then taught himself the human language. He met Lance and told him everything. With Lance’s help, SlowKing applied and was accepted into college. He proved himself an excellent student, earning his degree and graduating with honors.
His reason to become a volcanologist was so he could prevent others from going through the pain and loss he had. He is very good at his job. Thanks to him, everyone was able to be evacuated from Cinnabar Island in time before the Cinnabar Volcano erupted. He has been monitoring Mt. Mortar, Mt. Moon, and Mt. Silver. Again he was instrumental in getting warnings out in time for evacuations to be completed before Mt. Moon erupted.
He joined the search teams searching for Red on Mt. Silver after he vanished.
this gives some evidence as to how the hell do humans in the anime/game were able to survive pokemon attacks
I think if we put this tale together with Froslass' cry on Legends Arceus, we can all agree that Froslass is one of the scariest pokemons around
there is also the theory that N is getsus's son with a zorark
This is so cool that they implement old folktale into pokemon lore. Makes sense they would implement Japanese classic folktale into a japanese product, this case pokemon.
But it would be awesome if they took inspiration from other cultures' folktales. One that comes to mind is "La llorona." Mexican folktale that is well known in the entire latin america countries.
and I'm sure other contries/cultures got interesting folktales as well.
But I guess since Pokemon director/company is Japanese, they would not risk using other culture's elements as it could cause backlash from the sensitive/nationalist people.
Ludicolo
There are so many pokemon based on other nationalities myths and legends.
@@Whispernyan I mean when ppl make such claims tend to give examples/proof.
But ok. I'll check it out sometime and see if that's true. The only I guess comes to mind is that gen 9 elephant. Forgot its name
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Here's a couple,
Forces of Nature - Tornadous, Landous, etc. Their therian forms are based off the Chinese Four Symbols.
The Alolan Dieties, the Tapus, are based of Hawaii's own "4 Main Gods"
The Gen 6 Legendaries are all based off Celtric and Norse mythology, mainly relating to the Tree of Life.
The Gen 5 legendaries are based off Ying and Yang.
The Regis are based off Golems from Hebrew
Based on you talking about Copperjaha I don't really know how that fits into Folklore. It's just an Indian Elephant. If you're just talking about pokemon designed after things that exist in places then I really don't know where you're coming from.
@@Whispernyan well that sounds legit. Thanks
Tho wouldn't 100% consider that ones that come from China. The Japanese adapted and use a lot of Chinese customs, so I assume they aren't considered "Foreigner" to their culture, compared to say Western countries.
It was my assumption that his wife became a Froslass after death, not that she was always a Froslass…
You mean that he's already married even before the Yuki Onna incident?
This is really good! I love this story! As bittersweet as it is. I hope more stories like these become canon.
The human art of frosslast is cute she'd be adorable to see asleep on a long plane ride lol
In France, we are the Literal Translaion « there once were pokemon that married pokemon »
reminds me of that pokemon movie with the lati twins. Latias could disguise herself as her friend, and she later developed a crush on Ash.
My head canon is that we have trainers with psychic powers because people married pokemon a long time ago
Bro this feels like a modern Pokémon creepy pasta, in a actual game!, this is so cool
This reminds me of the Japanese mythology of the Yuki demon. (A banshee who disguised herself and married the survivor.)
Well that explanied why human in the pokemon universe probably are more strong or special that normal human, probably they have pokemon genes in they.
This is already confirmed though, does "because they were once the same" mean something else now?
Has semantic shift accelerated to the point that language has broken down?
Wait, so then is there a possibility that some people or families in the Pokémon world might be at least part Pokémon?
Psychic type explained I guess.
This proved it batman there are no rules against the Pokémon
According to The Game Theorist, all the Nurse Joy's are actually Pokemon! Go find that particular video on their TH-cam channel. It's an interesting story.
Considering the yuki-onna similarities Froslass it's very understandable why this happened
Me who caught a female Alpha Snorunt and evolved it into Froslass: 👀
Eh yo don’t get any ideas now
@@HybridHero I'm mostly worried about the fact I have a giant, cold, curse-laying ghost in my team
Could of just found the alpha frostlass in the cave
bro whenever the froslass appeared I literally said out loud “that bitch killed my fucking homies bruh” I literally had no intent of saying it, the words literally came out of my mouth