@@lambogamer9415 Messi can play only on RIGHT WING, cant play with head and have no defense. Johan is GOAT then Pele and even Gullit is better than R9, Cristiano and Messi cause its more complete. Till Cristiano learn to play defense and team game, till R9 learn to play with head, defense and stay healthy, and Messi also have head, defense and play multiple positions, Johan Cruyff will be GOD FOREVER.
@@smelly1060 Ludovic Giuly > Messi. Facts are facts. Triple crown as an RWF in Barca years before Messi. Just proves u put solid winger over Messi Barca still won everything on his position. Even Henrik Larsson 36 old was sub with Giuly before Messi arrived and they won everything. Its proves Messi is system not great in any pother club or nation. He has no World Cup great moments or trophy. Refs GOAT. MESSI MARKETING. Saed Owairan 1994 dribble 6 players to score, so is he goat now cause he can pass by 6 players
@@ZzzVain I just think the gap at the top is almost negligible, but I think Messi is the best attacker of all time tied with Cruijff, Van Basten, Pele, Maradona, Gullit, but I put Messi at the top because yes he can pass 6 players, yes he can playmake, yes he can score 100 fucking goals in a calender year and has proven himself on every stage, so fucking what he's a system player
@@ervin_morales3396 maybe even more. People in todays era judge different because many r recency biased since they earn money with todays football business. Of course they got an interest to make current player Look better than past ones. It would have been interessting what the people of the past would have decided how much they give him. Maradona got an even more huge impact on people in the 80s than messi got in his era with all the social media and other booster
Messi's discipline and longevity are insane in comparison to Maradona. Maradona was brilliant every now and then but Messi was Messi every 3 days for over a decade and a half. The ball probably loved Maradona more, but Messi made the most out of it. Maradona had weaknesses in life that ruined him. Messi never had any weaknesses on the pitch or in life.
Exactly. I can’t penalize Messi for his consistency. His career eclipsed Maradona’s and by a lot to be honest. Despite this, I still prefer Maradona as my favorite player haha, but to say he’s far superior to Messi, is a joke.
Disagree on that Messi faced a great challenge with his health, don’t forget that also he was separated from his family at a very young age , there are something’s that are built in people personality , Maradona was easy to have bad acts and affected by others , but Messi does not , that’s why he isolated himself from others not because he has a weak personality but because he does not want anyone to affect on him
I lived Maradona time , yes I am younger than him but watched most of his games even the WC , however I will comfortably say that Messi is better than him for sure , he is more of complete player and his IQ is higher plus more amusing to watch , I always used to sat Maradona but Messi surpassed him by far sorry.
Yeah u r just another clueless dude who just watched football back then but didnt understand what happened. Otherwise u would have noticed that some important rules were changed to benefit attacking football in Messis time. And it all happened after Maradonas prime. And if u really watched him then u would have noticed that Maradona had to Deal with a totally harder resistance
@@Dacio1202 He is another Messi fan who is lying... Not even a single one who I know said Messi is close to Diego. It was very very tough and Maradona did the impossible
@@A123-u7z Messi isnt even the best for his former teammates like Ronaldinho, Henry or Ibrahimovic. For many other former player and todays coaches aswell. Even Cantona said it that todays defender cant tackle anymore
messi plays on a whole other level. messi carried a dying argentina team for so long with di maria, and carried a literally useless barca team after neymar left, and even more after suarez left. (specially in 2019). barca almost went unbeaten in la liga once, and the one game they lost it was the 1 game that messi didnt play. messis impact to the team is immensly high and should at least be comparable to maradona, instead of just being shrugged off
Simply, Messi not even top 10 in history. Guliit can play 6 positions Messi only 1. Johan 10 positions. Messi only RWF. He also need to learn how to play defense, no height, average below with his head, and as i say lack of multiple position unlike Matthaus Gullit Pele and especially Johan - makes Messi out of top 10. Not to mention softest era ever. He not even on Roberto Baggio, Rivelino, Romario Van Basten Eusebio level.
@@ZzzVain Buddy, positions and fucking defending doesn't matter that much for an attacker. Messi plays RWF most of the time, because it's his main position, (no shit) but he can also play CAM and CF. And it's not his fault he's short af 😭
You have a ton of hard core Maradona fans (including myself) on these threads.. but unlike most of them, my Maradona goggles aren’t foggy. I prefer Maradona, yes. His skills, prowess, decisiveness, and leadership, made him a ridiculous force of nature of the pitch. BUT, to say Messi isn’t close or better ? Is criminal and straight haterade at this point.
you see i disagree, but i can respect that. I'll even admit that at absolute peak vs peak theres definitely great arguments in favor of maradona, but the difference being Messi's prime simply lasted MUCH longer and was far more consistent.
@@wesbyEric I don’t disagree with that either, though. The truth is, Messi’s career eclipses Maradona’s by a wide margin. It’s just facts. This is why I say that hardcore Maradona fans saying Messi isn’t close (or better) is criminal. Cause it’s not true.
Messi is the Greatest of all time, there was never a debate. If you are talking of passing ability, Messi, Verratti, Kroos, Iniesta are in the debate against Maradona, but Ronaldinho edges out with a margin as the king of passes. Neymar Junior and Maradona have equal playmaking potential as Messi. But Messi edges them both with his goal scoring ability. However, Johan Cruyff is the greatest playmaker of all time, only behind Ronaldinho in Passing ability. When you discuss about to goals, Messi enters in the debate as well. But this time against Christiano Ronaldo. Messi still edges out in goals per game ratio. Messi can't be compared to others, because he takes much more responsibility than others. Messi delivers successfully more than others on his responsibility as well. In very simple terms, Messi is both a genius in playmaking, and a genius in scoring. There is no other player that is a genius in scoring and playmaking. That is why he is called the greatest of all time
Messi played against defenders who were fitter stronger and had game planes. he still made them look as if they were average, Messi also kept such a high level year after year. That's what makes him the goat of football
VAR era only allows defenders to follow the attacker. Tackles from behind not being allowed since 2000s is a joke to the game that should be a proper contact sport.
@@heppolo contact sport and have defenders ruin careers because of hard tackles from behind??? common man...its a contact sport but these players need protection....you wonder why van basten retire3d early? its because of these hard tackles u advocating for...maybe u should take up football as a career and have it ended because of a hard tackle....lets see if you advocate for it then
@@femiezra5329 I was a goalkeeper actually on an amateur and semi-pro level and both goalkeepers and defenders are ridiculously underrated in comparison to stat merchants from upfront.
Maradona was a monster, he dribbled players like they were cones in the field, his shot was astonishing and his pace was as if the devil himself was rioting against the box. But football isnt about atheticism, prowess and flare only isnt it? I mean we all love the flare and amazing feats (Maradona carrying Napoli solehadendly and to be honest every team he was in). This game is about knowing your way with the ball. Messi is seemingly able to do ANYTHING with a football. He scores lobb goals, power shots, in between legs shots, free kick shots. He dribbles players like the ball is sticked to his foot. His vision of the field is just unreal and he passses with such accuracy that it edges on surreality. In other words, Maradona was a greek mythology human figure. Messi is a god. Even without Maradonas ability to carry teams. It always seems that Messi is containing himself (maybe too much) but still. Messis prime is up there to the world to confirm everything I said.
You definitely have not seen maradona, you disrespect him and everyone here, go watch football in the garbage as you do, slower? yeah he might be but with the amount of injuries he has to sustain its a fact that is obvious to see, more speed equals more injuries if players try to injure you and legendary goals? HAVE YOU SEEN HIM PLAY??! come on man you are just a 10 year old kid or what?
@@halfwaycashplayers from that era would get lapped nowdays. Just because they did more fauls doesn't mean that they were better. Football as we know now started in 2002. The 60/90' era its incredibly overrated.
U r another clueless Messifanboy. Messi faster?😂 If Messi is able to run past 5 athletic defender all just watching and letting him run on carpet pitches then of course it might Look as if he was fast. While Maradona played on pitches which looked as a bombed ground where the ball bounced each few metres and he had to win space like in american football because he was butchered down already some times before even reaching the box. Funny how people with 0 ball knowledge try to compare messis pampered era with Maradonas toughest era of all time
Ye but World Cup tax is World Cup tax. Messi was always the better player overall but Maradona was ,,The guy that dragged Argentina and Napoli to greatness ". You can't quantify that in stats. Nether can you quantify what Pele did. Those 3 have gone where no other footballer ever has, so they are on the teir above all the other Greats
Pele's first WC he was not instrumental, he contributed as a teen which is magnificent for sure, but it was not because of Pele that they won. Pele was injured an entire WC of the 3 "he" won, and most agree he wasnt even the best player of the tournament of WC 70, that prized belonged to his teamate whose name i cant remember but was the top goalscorer and overall better performer, but Pele was the bigger name and so got the award. Maradona had an unreal 86 WC for sure, but people forget that unlike with messi and higuain in 86 Maradona's teammates stepped up when they needed to, otherwise germany would have taken that title. Maradona was a disaster in 82, and 94. And Messi had although not as great still great 2014 WC(which should have won if Higuain had not choked so damn hard, or Di Maria gotten injured) then 2022 amazing record breaking performance. Neither Pele nor maradona won a copa america or olympic tournament, and Messi now has 2 copa america and 1 olympics, in all 3 wins winning player of the tournament award. And you say greatness Barcelona's greatest era BY FAR has been Messi's Barcelona, look at barcelona before and look at it after Messi..
Comparison is the thief of joy and the both of them gave the footballing world immense joy no need for comparison they're both the greatest in their own right and who's better is subjective and arguable in my opinion and very difficult to do considering the difference in eras but it doesn't matter who believes what as long as they're both loved and cherished.
Messi helped an average Argentina team to the finals on 2014 wc. Messi himself helped saved Argentina to qualify for the 2018 World Cup. Messi himself helped Barcelona get into the 2019 champions league. Messi himself helped Barcelona win laliga 2018. Maradona flopped at Barca, had a decent performaniming team in 1986 wc when some of the players almost outperformed him. Messi played against better average players who are faster,stronger etc and still outperformed them for over a decade. Messi has the most assists despite being a forward and is the 2nd top scorer in history. Messi is a alien and is greater than any footballer ever before him
1) When ARG win: Messi is the man! He carried the team! He himself helped! When ARG loses: Oh its the team's fault. Average team, flop team 😭 2) Nice of you to not mention Copa 2024 where ARG won with just 1 goal & 1 assist from Messi. His teammates did the rest. 😭 3) Messi has millions of fan. Whereas Ronaldo has Billions of fans. More people on earth think CR7 is the GOAT. And these Billions will write the history, not millions 😭
1 Sergio Romero goalkeeper, Monaco 2 Ezequiel Garay defender, Benfica 3 Hugo Campagnaro defender, Internazionale 4 Pablo Zabaleta defender, Manchester City 5 Fernando Gago midfielder, Boca Juniors 6 Lucas Biglia midfielder, Lazio 7 Ángel di María midfielder, Real Madrid 8 Enzo Pérez midfielder, Benfica 9 Gonzalo Higuaín forward, Napoli 10 Lionel Messi (captain) forward, Barcelona 11 Maxi Rodríguez midfielder, Newell’s Old Boys 12 Agustín Orión goalkeeper, Boca Juniors 13 Augusto Fernández midfielder, Celta Vigo 14 Javier Mascherano midfielder, Barcelona 15 Martín Demichelis defender, Manchester City 16 Marcos Rojo defender, Sporting 17 Federico Fernández defender, Napoli 18 Rodrigo Palacio forward, Internazionale 19 Ricardo Álvarez midfielder, Internazionale 20 Sergio Agüero forward, Manchester City 21 Mariano Andújar goalkeeper, Catania 22 Ezequiel Lavezzi forward, Paris Saint-Germain 23 José María Basanta defender, Monterrey How is this squad average?
An argentine friend, old dude, when Messi won the world cup i said to him "finally Messi tied or even surpassed Diego" and he smirked and said thats never ever going to happen, even if Messi wins another world cup, i asked him why? It is not even close in stats and trophies and he goes "nah, u dont get it, Diego represented the boy in the streets with holes in his shoes that came from poverty playing footbal, Messi represents growth hormones at 12 years old in one of the best football schools in the world....u dont get it" and that day i knew never to ask that question to antoher argentine, specially an old one
You didnt consider the fact that messi had to take growth hormones just to reach the baseline...his body couldnt produce it. Also ignored the fact that he was from the best football schools because he earned it. One could even argue that diego had easier opponents.
On the last questions I answered yes the world cup is harder, a few weeks to train and get in tune. No the world cup isn't worth any number of Champions League. It's different its rarity makes it more important and also gives light to international football and its growth. The social aspect of it is extremely important to a point where people said Messi isn't as good totally wrote him off because if not winning the WC despite his numbers.
I started watching football in world cup 1998, i was 13 years old, i remember the joy seeing all the talented players do there magic, after that i saw clips of Maradona playing, i was shocked haw can such a player exist, how can a player dribble half team when dribbling one defender is considered a top talent. That time i wished i saw Maradona play live. Luckily i witnessed messi doing everything Maradona did. For me the goat is messi but only because he was more than a player in the field. As for numbers and stats, there were never a standard before C.Ronaldo, because it’s the only way to make a player compete with messi , and competition is good for making money.
I had the privilege of watching both. They were both great, but there's one key difference between them: when Barcelona missed Messi, you still believed they could win no problem. But when Napoli missed Maradona, it felt like the end.
Maradona means so much to so many in the world. He was the hero to not just Argentina but to others too. Messi may have all the trophies but maradona has the love of the world.
Ok, lets make this clear. Maradona winning the league with Napoli is nothing close to even impossible. Go back and check the trend back then, ofcourse the bigger teams like milan, Juve dominated, but the title was much open to be won by many teams back then in Italy. It was not like today's where just hardly 2 or 3 teams compete for the title. Also the number of games were much lesser which makes it even more unpredictable. If you still have doubt go and check the list of title winners around the time Maradona won the title with Napoli, you would find teams like Hellas verona and sampdoria winning it! So Maradona winning it with Napoli os not something impossible. For the people in Naples it might have a nostalgia, but other than that nothing great!
It's a lot closer actually. Eras can't be compared. I am Argentine, watched the 2 of them. Messi his whole career, Maradona his final years. European football since the effects of the bosman rulling were established is all about 7 or 8 super clubs that hoard the best players of the planet in bulk, even if they don't use them in order to beat the competition. Look at Chelsea... In Maradonas time, before the bosman rulling clubs were a lot more even and competitive. So on big clubs had a couple of great players but also regular ones in your own team, and the opposition was in average stronger. Give Maradona the chance to play alongside lots of the best players in the world for 15 years vs Alaveses and rayos vallecanos and your stats will be a lot better. Maradona faced brutal, career ending tackles all his career. Messi didn't. Talented players like Messi are protected by refs these days thanks to players like Maradona. World cup qualifiers were a lot different. Hence Maradona played a lot less games on the national team. Messi has great stats, but padded specially on the last years thanks to the terrible friendly games Tapia, the AFA president, organized. They might as well play Sunday league teams. Messis behaviour gives him the edge but maybe his family learnt from Maradonas case what to to manage his career properly. Maradona was the first truly global sports superstar. You might also bring Pele but telecominications weren't as developed in the 50s/60s so he had less reach
@@87crimson not only the bossman judgement got a huge Effect. Even more impact had the changes in rules. 1990 offside rule and 1998 tackling rule got changed to favour attacker. From mid 00s on tacklings got restricted even further to the extent that each slight Touch would be a foul.
Messi did not faced brutal career ending tackles? Seriously? LOL!!! I can listen to you claiming Maradona is better but claiming messi did not receive brutal tackles is the saying of a true clown. HAHA!
@@awp20rokhum ur the clueless clown dude. In messis hardest foul compilations u always see the same 15-20 fouls He got throughout his career. That amount Maradona got in a month. Watch some Maradona foul compilations and come back then. Its not even worth to compare LOL. Look up gentile vs Maradona here on TH-cam. There u will see 23 fouls in one Single match. Crazy how delusional most messi fanboys r
@@awp20rokhum NO ONE TRY TO FRACTURE MESSI LEG LIKE IN 80S U CANT TALK HERE ANYMORE MESSI PLAY ION ERA OF FLOPPERS WHERE NEYMAR HAVE MIX VIDEOS ON YT OF DIVING
Comparing in sports and art are such a stupid work.Facts don't care. I love Pele,Maradona,Messi, Ronaldo and many more,They are incredible,but They alone can't win anything.And I havemuch respect on Messi's humble life.
Back when Maradona was playing defenders were trying to take players out. Ramos would have been considered soft if he played back then and he'd go his entire career without a single red card.
Estos muchachos… por dios. Messi en una entrevista con Zizou dijo que de chico todos soñaban ser como el Diego, pero que después ninguno llegó a ser como él (más o menos así dijo). Y Messi no le debe nada a nadie. Habla francamente. Lo dice porque lo piensa. Y Messi piensa eso porque sabe muchísimo más de futbol que todos nosotros y cuando alguien que sabe mucho ve al Diego, entiende. Más allá de todo, un agradecido de haber nacido en Argentina, pero también en Sudamérica, Dinho, Sócrates (rengo y bebedor), y miles más. Un placer. El futbol es el deporte más bello, siempre y cuando lo jueguen Sudamericanos. Cariños a todos!
Misconception is the fact that you believe that Maradona did not win the golden ball. He did not because he could not. I will put this into a simple logical fact. If you are an average professional boxer and you fight againt 100 people in good shape that you meet walking on the street, does that make you better than someone that wins one single fight with Mike Tyson? Maradona was playing against the best defender of all times. Messi was playing in Spain that is a league that is not known for its difending qualities. When you play agains people that are always trying to brake your ankles (one even succeded ) is a bit more difficult than playing against people that are barely alloweed to touch you. You do not even have to go to touch Maradona. Pessi and Penaldo are not even better than R9.
Messi was more succesful because he played in an era which was designed for attacking football. Maradona had to deal with much more resistance. Messi belongs to the greatest but imo he is below Maradona
I think Messi is better but the idea that it is just media that brings up comparisons is wrong. There are GENUINE comparisons. Nowadays Europe is undoubtedly more prestigious than South America. But back then a lot of those claims were actually just bias. Up until the turning point of football when the sport became more systematic, it was close. Before becoming Maradona was a senior player Argentinos Juniors were a relegation side. Immediately when Maradona debuted they became a powerhouse. Then he joined Boca who were struggling and established them as powerhouses again. Non-bias media had already proclaimed him the best player in the world multiple times. Another piece of context is before the Calciopoli scandal the Serie A was the best league in the world. And Maradona at Napoli was the best the league had ever seen. His time in LaLiga was criminally underrated. He didn’t win much similar to Messi in the latter stages of his Barca career, but was still the hardest player to go up against. Now let’s talk internationally. He only won one WC, but should have won more. Maradona was left out of the Argentina side that won their first ever WC, but was considered one of the best Argentinians in the world at 17. His spot was taken by an inferior player due to political reasons. People still talk about the hand of god without realizing in the 1982 WC Argentina was arguably the best team but was victim to extreme European bias (as where many South American giants) with some of the most clear decisions against them in history. In 1990 he arguably did better than Messi in 2014; both lost finals to Germany. But people accept Messi as the best player in the 2014 WC without seeing how scrappy his run to the final was. It was almost the exact same as England in the Euros this year. Meanwhile Maradona was truly cooking in 1990.
People are going to comment “Bro wrote a whole essay 🤓“. There’s literally no point in saying that. If you don’t want to read just don’t say anything. It’s just an NPC comment that nobody asked for.
Maradona played in the best league in the world at the time (Italian) who are known for their solid defense, so was much harder to score. Also, it was much rougher and you could kick players in them days. The pitch was not as smooth as it is today. Maradona played for Napoli Messi had Barcelona best ever team around him.
Kids growing up now won’t fully grasp how good Cristiano and Messi was, just like we won’t fully grasp how great Maradona was in his era, you just had to be there. One of the dumbest things i see is young kids saying they think R9 is THE best striker ever when they was i diapers when he played🤣 Back when i was young nobody was saying he was the greatest ever, and that was because of the injuries.
It's insane to think that you could take in consideration statistics, winning, awards since not only at the time the game was different it was much MUCH more position and defending focused, meanwhile today it's much more speed and attacking focused, today's game is much more similar to pelè's age game in brazil, and in brazil only, on the eye test it is a discussion but not as good as you make it, there are points that could go to messi, but they are not really comparing to maradona, he played in the best era of defending and in the hardest league of the time with the best defenses probably ever on average (not the best defense ever, but the league with, on average, the best defending ever) and could score imposaible goals just as good as messi's and even better goals, and it's crazy to say that awards and winnings are individual points to discuss, otherwise lautaro and alvarez are better than prime kane, and statistics kinda become meaningless in front of the context. I don't know who is thebest between maradona, pelè, messi and pre injury ronaldo (the true ronaldo) and idon't think anyone does, but saying that there isn't a debate is crazy, and this comes from someone who grew up with the messi era, who loved messi so much that watched almost every game of his, who held him as the greatest of all time for quite a period, who never thought that messi vs ronaldo was even a debate, but to say that maradona and messi are not extremely close, and use these arguments to support the idea, shows me your tremendous bias and that you have a shallow understanding of the game over the different ages. Don't take this offensively because it's not meant fo be an insult Edit I also forgotto say that saying Dinho wasn't better than Neymar you sure are extremely affected by recency bias, because that take is absolutely horrendous
@@njldst2007 thank you, it just strikes me to hear people who say that there isn't a comparasion between these players, i try to loo at the plays and see how players interacted in the past and in the present and i'm pretty sure that the "golden age of football" is probably either the years from 1995 to 2010, or the '50-'70 era and this speaks plenty, since i could probably be affected be recency bias and say that these most recent players would be on the same level of pelè, garrincha, zito, charlton, yashin, best, beckenbauer, but i think that i can stand this ground and say that those two eras were the best, by comparing both the bests and the average players
people even would compare messi to CR7 i get it, CR7 is a an elite human specimen and full on dedication with charisma.. i even agree hes one of the best striker no doubt.. i was amazed by him.. but that was before i knew messi and Messi just different.. hes IS football
Football is a team-sport and making individual judgements is hard and harsh to players. Times have changed a lot and comparisons are so inaccurate, but many seasoned fans will agree on the fact that Maradona was the most talented, iconic and influential (on and off the pitch) footballer that ever played the game. But Messi is the most longeval, clinical and complete player of History
i guess u need to watch full matches back in the days of Pele and Maradona to see how tough it was to play against teams. Every tackle they receive is easily a red card these days and they need to take at least 5 to 6 such tackles before the opponent gets even a yellow card. That is why it is easier for attackers now to play. It was to protect magical players after the tragic early retirement of Van Basten. U can simply go watch on youtube the full match of 1970 world cup final that Pele played. he received a two footed challenge from the back on his legs by a Italy player the moment he beat him and the crazy thing is the referee could stop the physio from coming onto the field to treat Pele who was rolling in pain and not even a yellow card was issued. Likewise, when Gentile just kicked Maradona out of the 1982 WC with 23 fouls on him and still did not get a red card. Those were the type of treatment Maradona and Pele got which definitely reduced the output statwise. Messi definitely had a crazy stat boost at Barca because of the Spanish golden generation (that won everything at national level from 2008 to 2012). If you exclude his stats from Barca and used that of Argentina and PSG, he probably had something similar with Maradona. Both were generation talents of their own era and it is definitely disrespectful to claim it is not even close between Maradona and Messi.
You're looking at it in terms of stats... look at it this way: Maradona was heads above his peers in his era. he lifted the bar much higher then Messi did/will ever do. Also, not only did Maradona have God given talent like Messi, he also had what makes CR7 one of the greats, a huge ego and will. As I always say "jokingly": if CR7 and Messi had a lovechild together, it would be Maradona 🙈😅
This video encompasses everything wrong with how modern football fanboys look at the game. Every single point made here has holes in it that can be countered with arguments
Regarding the World Cup vs UCL issue : You have 4 times more opportunity to win UCL than World Cup, which makes the world cup achievement more impressive. But I agree than in terms of difficulty, it's debattable
Man, you’re making an argument about mainstream media making you believe things that aren’t true, but you’re in fact falling inside the trap yourself. Statistics never were and never will be the right way to compare players. It’s not about “how many” you do, it’s about WHAT you do, HOW you do it and in which CONTEXT. Maradona won the toughest competitions (not just the World Cup, but Serie A was the highest level of football at the time - higher than the Champions League) almost single-handed. Turning teams who don’t have a chance into winners. Messi always has been the cherry on top of teams who could easily win even without him. Technically they’re not even similar. Maradona was so much more creative and had a much wider variety of things he could do. If you compare stats, you’ll never get an accurate picture. Just as the Messi-Cristiano debate doesn’t exist, because yes, comparable stats, but Messi is far superior, same goes for Messi-Maradona. Messi has better stats, but Maradona was something else entirely. I haven’t really seen Pelé so I won’t comment, but in my lifetime, the only player who got somewhere close to Maradona was Ronaldo the phenomenon. Maradona though, is by any means the GOAT
I don't know man, I'm a Messi fan but even now when I watch some of highlights of Maradona I just can't pont fingers anywhere else when it comes to tagging someone as Greatest ever. What Maradona could do messi hasn't: he is not at all as versatile as Maradona.
aside from flair and motivating his team, what could maradona do better? Messi was indeed a better dribbler, better at through balls, better at long passes, better at long shots, better at scoring. stats completely prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt. Maradona had flair though, he not only did amazing things he did them in ways that were just such a joy to watch, kind of a in between messi and ronaldinho. absolutely increible and we have been blessed to have enjoyed seen him play.
@@wesbyEric Maradona could dribble better, yup, going forward the speed with which he'd dribble past defenders, plus look at the skills he always had up his sleeves, Rabona, 360, step overs, and its funny that you mentioned through balls, watch some of his assists. Overall, he was more skilled than messi.
Its how messi didnt perform at the world cups previous to winning it. This was Messi outside of his comfort zone, unable to carry anybody. So we deem that maradona had more character,more fight,more heart and we conclude that he achieved when it was tougher to achieve, won with poor working class teams that had never won, and so elevate him to be the greatest. Messi has been brilliant, but ironically it's the tournaments he has failed to peform in, anonymous on occasion, that count so hard against him.
Lets be honest, Messi wasn’t the best performing player in the World Cup either, he had a few bright moments and a lot of penalty’s that pushed them over the finish line. I would argue he wasn’t even the best Argentine.
The Maradona goggles are foggy all over these threads 😂😂😂 And I’m a HUGE Maradona who prefers him over Messi. But let’s get real. The margin is WAYY smaller and Messi belongs in the same GOAT convo as Maradona and Pele. Fans need to stop the cap 😂😂😂
@@BodyLotionVideos What are you even smoking??? bro several of my friends are ronaldo fans and admitted to me Messi's WC performance was incredible... He was mostly a playmaker so even without the goals his contribution would have been nearly the same as his role was creating chances for his team and he did so wonderfully.
@@BodyLotionVideoswhat are you smoking lol, I need it's very strong, that world cup performance is the best performance in the history of the world cup, you didn't see that Messi assists against Netherlands, I see you just wanted to play dumb here
A kid who has never watched Maradona gonna tell us who's better between Maradona and Messi... I'm sure that makes for a greatly unbiased video. Maradona's 1986 World Cup run is simply the pinacle of any footballer I've ever seen. If you want to talk stats, longevity, or whatever, then Messi wins. But if we want greatest single tournament performance of all time, then at the very least from what I've seen, Maradona is the GOAT. This is the problem with GOAT debates, the term is so vague nobody knows what you're comparing at some point. The pundits and yourself are both guilty of this. Define what it means to be the greatest, before trying to prove who is the greatest.
You could just as easily turn the Napoli "mid table" and "average" Argentina teams arguments on their heads: how bad was the competition that one player could make an average team good enough to beat everyone? On top of that, the 'toughness' argument is obviously ridiculous. Football these days is incredibly hard on players' bodies. The schedule is way more congested, and defenders still kick the shit out of your legs, so only the physically top percent of players can even have a career that totals the length of Messi's at Barcelona, let alone play at the level he played at for as long as he did. Maradona's career would be completely average in today's football world. It's more sensible to compare him to Lukas Podolski than to Messi.
And yet Pepe cooks most elite defenders at the age of 41 which is a joke. Until defenders are allowed to run the game like they did in the 80s/90s it's not a contact sport anymore. Look at the Vinnie Jones highlights reel, and he was one of the regular defenders of that era.
This is an impossible comparison because football (or soccer) is a team sport. Imagine this hypothetical, how would had each player performed if you they were to switch teams and eras? Do you think Messi had won all the trophies he has won had he played for Napoli in the 80s? Spain during Messi’s prime was dominating the world without him, from 2008 to 2012. This Spain was based on Barcelona - 7 of the main players were from Barcelona. So, you can argue that the reason why Messi scored more goals, and won more trophies was because he was in a better team. What if we just ignore all the trophies and focus on the way both players played - their assists, their dribbling, creativity, and impact on the game and team. Maradona had the flair of Ronaldinho, and maybe even more. Remember that no one has ever provided more goal contributions than Maradona in the 1986 WC, with one game less than the modern WC. I am not saying that Maradona is better or the other way around, I am just questioning your criteria for deciding this.
You do realize that you can't isolate "impact on team" as a solitary statistic? That is literally the definition of how good a player is: how much impact they have on a team.
I mean great video but you can’t compare attacking midfielders to Messi who played as a center forward or right wing. Diego I believe was also more of a forward than an attacking midfielder so ofc he’s gonna have way better numbers than all the players that were compared to him
Simply, Messi not even top 10 in history. Guliit can play 6 positions Messi only 1. Johan 10 positions. Messi only RWF. He also need to learn how to play defense, no height, average below with his head, and as i say lack of multiple position unlike Matthaus Gullit Pele and especially Johan - makes Messi out of top 10. Not to mention softest era ever. He not even on Roberto Baggio, Rivelino, Romario Van Basten Eusebio level.
I can name 15 players better than Messi even prime Henry was better than any Messi peak. Platini Zico Rivelino Baggio Romario Matthaus Zidane Gullit Van Basten Eusebio Beckenbauer Ronaldinho Pele Maradona I will even take Maldini on draft because I have more for my team. U need great team around Messi but Maldini is FRANCHISE WHOLE TEAM.
@@ZzzVain in my opinion Maradona is better than Messi but tbh not considering Messi in at least Top 3-4 doesnt feel right. Messi got it easier than past player but still he won everything, thats something even Messi criticizer gotta respect. I criticized Messi and lot myself. He is certainly up there among the best
@@Dacio1202 As I say whos better with head Gullit or Messi ? Whos better in defense , strength , speed, power shoot. Dude what Messi can do that no one else can? He cant do elastico or cycle dribbling. Or even Zidane roullette. He cant play with head like van Basten Batistuta Shearer. Messi is somewhere 13 to 20 spot.
@@Dacio1202 Won everything?? U dont deserved to talk. So now Cannavaro is better than Maradona cause he won ballon. Messi never won world cup. Romario score 1000 goals and won world. U mean refs won for Argentina 6 penalties after Arabia schooled Messi
How is Michael Laudrup not in the 25 best offensive midfielders of all time? Michael is clear of every single one of them the only players that are even close are Maradona and Platini
It would be way more interesting to compare them as players, based on their attributes and qualities on the pitch instead of these pointless like comparisons like GA (which is not everything) and team awards like trophies. Messi is the better player but this video doesnt add anything interesting to be honest.
Video was made by a fan boy who never actually watched them play. and to say Messi is better than Cristiano Ronaldo is a big lie. I had the previledge to watch them both start their career and watch right through and all I can say is Cristiano ronaldo was and still is miles ahead of Messi as he is proving now in his twighlight, If Ronaldo is this good at 40 imagine how good he was at 25, FIFA and the Media did a good job raising Messi's profile and adding fake goals and assists to his stats. even though they try shorten Ronaldo's goals he is still on 901 miles ahead of Messi, Ronaldo King of UCL, King of Internationals all time highest Goal scorer, and if Ronaldo had half as good a team as Messi had with Argentina Portugal would have about 2 World Cups now, pity Ronaldo had Good players in Portugal at the begining of his career and only now in his twilight having had to carry an average Protugal team in-between and most of his career
Let's compare Maradona and Messi strengths: Maradona: - much more skillful passer of the ball. Maradona's back heel was incredible, so were his acrobatic passes. - physically more powerful than Messi relative to the surrounding players of their eras. - better with the outside of his boot. His trivela passes were rare but wonderfully executed with terrific back spin, his rabonas were wonderful too. Messi: - much more two footed than Maradona allowing him to score goals with his right foot far more effectively and easily. Maradona's right foot was barely ever used, altthough he was a master of the rabona and trivela so Diego never needed his weaker foot all that much. Overall Maradona is arguably the better passer and Messi arguably the better scorer. Comparing statistics is pointless to determine who is better because for stats to be actually comparable, they need to be from the same set of circumstances, and unfortunately that is not the case. Both Maradona and Messi have played under vastly different conditions and circumstances, including things like team formation, roster strength, on-field positions, and more. Also eye test is stupid. Maradona's videos are mostly recoreded with a potato compared to what we have for Messi.
I think this video is weird because Messi and Maradona shouldn't be compared in the first place. I absoloutely love Lionel Messi and how he changed football forever with all his alien performances over the years but at the same time you can't compare him with the legend himself Diego Maradona, it's not about numbers or statistics or how much trophies a player won over the other because they are from 2 totally different periods of time. How would Messi do if we was in Maradona's shoes and how would Maradona do if he was in Messi's shoes? That's the real question; for me it's about the impact they have left on the world: Maradona was a true monster, in this video you said that the game has become more advanced and that's true if we're talking about the technical parts of football, but I'd say it was waaaaaaaay harder back then in some aspects. Maradona played 7 years for Napoli and he made this club win their first 2 Serie A trophies, allegedly nothing special until we take in account that Maradona played in the period when Serie A was the harshest football league and he had to play against so many football legends and arguably the best defenders of all time. I'm not saying that Napoli had trash players back then, they were good but not comparable to Platini's Juventus, Sacchi's Milan and the Inter of champions (I named the big 3 of Italy but there were other teams that were close to the level of these 3 I just named). Maradona was the sole player that could beat all this teams with his sheer effort alone, he was the superstar and he didn't play more because of injuries. Like I said earlier Messi had a spectacular career too, he made the 91 goals in a season record after all but he had a much easier time than Maradona in my opinion. Barcelona when Messi joined was much bigger and stronger than Napoli was at that time, with players like Ronaldihno, Puyol, Eto'o, Xavi, Iniesta etc.. Messi had much more room for maneuver, after all, he was Barcelona's biggest star and he truly was the best player of the world (still is), and with him came Suarez and Neymar; they conquered la Liga with their only rivals being Real Madrid. But how can we compare this with what Maradona had to go through? Extremely disrespectul, not only he carried Napoli alone against almost impossible to beat rivals (for Napoli) but he also had to play in tremendous field conditions (go look up yourself how the fields were back then, can't imagine how today's best players could play in those conditions). In the end I think we can't judge by simply putting together statistics and trophies, it would overshadow Maradona's greatness. Maradona is football and Messi is the best footballer that has ever played football.
I overshadowed the fact that Messi carried Barcelona in 2019 after Neymar and Suarez left wich is a feat of its own. Again I think Messi is the best footballer of all time but Maradona represents football.
Messi is clear bro,the only thing maradona had n made Messi to be on his shadow fr so long despite being the all round complete player was the wcup.After Messi's wcup triumph he buried that debate.Plus let's be honest here,this Napoli story thing is an overrated fairy tale story.The reality is Maradona is greatly considered an all time great hugely coz of his insane godly performance at the 86 Wcup. Otherwise he would not be in this debate were it not for his memorable wcup moments.Him lifting Napoli to that success would have meant nothing without his wcup n nobody would even be talking about it.What Maradona did in 86 is what Messi has been doing consistently week in week out,year in,year out for over 15 yrs playing at that consistent level which is crazy and why he is considered by many as the undisputed GOAT.Maradona was never that consistent n his longevity is nowhere any close to Messi's.Thats why he has very poor stats compared to the insane stats Messi has.Yes,his lack of consistency n longevity to do it for soo long coz he also lacked the discipline to do so.Therefore it has nothing to do with Messi having it easy like I have seen some clowns propagate in this comments sections, otherwise many other great players should have achieved the same stats n achievements he's had.Only Cr7 comes close to emulating what Messi has achieved even though the latter one is much more talented n complete than the former.So it's basically Messi's consistency, longevity n discipline that makes him have an edge over Maradona,n the stats, records,accolades n trophies won are there to back that fact.Messi is the GOAT, period.
People who says Maradona is better does not know football. AT ALL!. Messi's world cup career alone is FAR better than Maradona. Maradona can't even get Argentina to world cup final more than once(Twice if you count 1990 but read again what I wrote I say he got carried so he didn't 🤭). And the one time he made it to final was because of his impeccable team. Granted he is a Legend and his performance speak for itself. But he had amazing team with him. Messi almost won World cup with FAT Higuain. That alone was a miracle 😂. Four appearance by Maradona, 3 FLOP appearance by Maradona. Messi has 0 flops in 4 appearance. Messi even has under 20 world cup title which Maradona is dreaming just like Penaldo and Pele 🤣
Yes and people act like 1986 Argentina is a weak team is a joke for me. Their squad is extremely high quality. Players like Nestor Clausen, Ricardo Giusti and Ricardo Bochini were the pillars of Independiente who won the Copa Libertadores 1984 and then defeated Liverpool in the Intercontinental Cup. Two midfielders Sergio Batista and Claudio Borghi are the key players of Argentinos Juniors, when this club won the Argentine championship for two consecutive years (1984, 1985), besides the Copa Libertadores title in 1985. Enrique, Nery Pumpido and Oscar Ruggeri and River Plate won the Copa Libertadores in 1986, just a few months after the tournament in Mexico. Jorge Valdano played for Real Madrid and won the La Liga 1985-1986 BEST foreign player. It can be said that Argentina football clubs dominated South America in those years with a pool of talents playing domestically and in Europe.
@@Tackleseb LOL are you talking about 1990? Where was Maradona? If Maradona didn't play 1990 world cup Argentina would have won. Argentina were that Good. Unlike Messi where Argentina 100% rely on him. Literally. If messi did not comeback to National Argentina WILL NOT have qualified for World Cup. The stats speak for it self. Messi is among the top Goal scorer with the highest assist in World Cup history in 4 World Cup same as Maradona. Only blind cuckolds thinks Maradona was better.
Very ironic that you just exposed yourself as someone who doesn't know about football in terms of it's history. Maradona's World Cup career is better than Messi's, in fact, if it were not for Messi finally winning it at the very end, this shouldn't even be close to a debate. Messi has a horrible track record of letting the pressure get to him and underperforming in the WC as it goes on longer
@@ThiênPhúcHuỳnh-v6l They weren't a weak team, but they were hardly favorites, and were nowhere near close to being a title winning team until you add Maradona to it. They nearly didn't qualify for the 86 WC itself, it took Maradona being called out of exile to improve their dismal qualification campaign. They were a solid squad, but weren't world beaters, the closest to a World class player that you could mention was Valdano, since he played for Madrid, but Valdano scored a whopping 7 goals in 23 apps for Argentina, 4 of those happening at the 86 WC, with Maradona being a factor in almost every single one of them
Can you make a video about Pele? He's being disrespeted a lot and a major part of his career is tossed aside because it was "unofficial games". I think he's undoubtedly in the top 2 greatest players of all time
The reason they dont count is that they were games he played while in the military service against average players, or against semi-pro teams that didnt even get paid enough and were composed of the plumber, and schoolteacher of the neighborhood. Pele trained every day many of his adversaries didn't. of course hes going to have an advantage against them, shouldnt that be taken into consideration?
@@musicotensai aswell as ucl wins. In Maradonas time only the country Champions could participate at the Former ucl. But Maradona won the uefa cup which was way harder to win since all 2nd-4th rated teams like Milan, inter, Juventus, Bayern, barca or Real played there. With the old rules if barca wouldnt be able to play the ucl because they got 2nd or 3rd then messi would have at least 2 ucl trophies less
But it’s not held against him lmao. That’s the crazy part about this ridiculous debate. Maradona, being way less accomplished (and by a wide margin vs Messi) is still considered the GOAT. That’s how good he was! But to say Messi is nowhere close is criminal. It’s plain hate at this point 😂
9:53 he couldn't win a ballon d'or because it wasn't an award given to non European. As They didn't believe there were better players outside of europe
Diego could do what Messi does now (lighter balls, carpet pitches and the defenders not trying to break his legs? COME ON!) but could Messi have done what Diego did back then? would Messi even have had a full career like his does now if he played in Diegos era? Imo FUCK NO! but we will never truely know
You answered your own question. A lot of “what ifs” which is why it’s pointless to debate. But let’s not pretend that Messi was never tackled or hit hard af… Anyone denying this is a straight hater, and this is coming from a hard core Maradona fan
"Diego Maradona in World Cup 86 is the Highest level a player has ever had - Unstoppable" . Find this video on TH-cam and watch The God of Football. Yes, Messi was consistent throughout his career, but watch these seven games and determine for yourself whether he was anywhere near to that level. Even if he was using drugs, which he was, this was still the greatest performance by any player in football history.
@musicotensai so maradona didn't play against any shit teams? Using 7 games to determine the greatest ever is like saying mbappe is 1 of the greatest ever because of what he did with france at 18 in the World Cup.
@@TheOutlierToday Messi is the finest player I've ever seen; I admire his style of play, his teamwork, and his dribbling; only Maradona can compare to him. However, one aspect of Messi is constantly overlooked. He played all of his life in Spain, where he was free to do anything he pleased. Do you believe he'd be a player in the Premier League? Or even in Italy? Do you think they would allow him to play like that? I disagree. Maradona was willing to die for his squad at the World Cup. I've never seen Messi sacrifice his life for a team like that.
@@TheOutlierToday you are supposing I was saying 7 games determines that, not me. I merely point out that 2012 has a large sample size of games where conmebol, friendlies and la liga had a bunch of crap teams. Only trophy he had was copa del rey iirc.
@orei1958 since yoi said really really REALLY FAR.. so you are saying in terms of ability neymar as a player is far far far away from someome like cristiano? Waiting for you answer
@@user-dj7xq1qh9e I said there's a really high difference between Neymar and the others from the MessiNaldo generation that aren't Messi or Ronaldo. Neymar is absolutely clear of anyone not called Messi or Cristiano in the generation he played in
Do not undermine Iniesta that way.Iniesta could easily be arguably the greatest midfielder ever n the greatest of his generation alongside Xavi.He even had a better career than Zidane n the only thing Zizzou has over him was the balondor.U cannot blame Iniesta fr that coz he was playing at a time when it was literally impossible to win the balondor ahead of prime Messi n Cr7 era, otherwise he would be having at least 2balondors were it not for those two.Iniesta was a genius n such a joy to watch with his excellent ball control n manoeuvring in tight spaces, dribbling n technical awareness.
Maradona is Iconic, he lives of memories.
Messi is the best. Purely the best.
"Ronaldo"
@@lambogamer9415 Messi can play only on RIGHT WING, cant play with head and have no defense. Johan is GOAT then Pele and even Gullit is better than R9, Cristiano and Messi cause its more complete. Till Cristiano learn to play defense and team game, till R9 learn to play with head, defense and stay healthy, and Messi also have head, defense and play multiple positions, Johan Cruyff will be GOD FOREVER.
@@ZzzVainI've never agreed and disagreed with someone more than this🤦🏿♂️
@@smelly1060 Ludovic Giuly > Messi. Facts are facts. Triple crown as an RWF in Barca years before Messi. Just proves u put solid winger over Messi Barca still won everything on his position. Even Henrik Larsson 36 old was sub with Giuly before Messi arrived and they won everything. Its proves Messi is system not great in any pother club or nation. He has no World Cup great moments or trophy. Refs GOAT. MESSI MARKETING. Saed Owairan 1994 dribble 6 players to score, so is he goat now cause he can pass by 6 players
@@ZzzVain I just think the gap at the top is almost negligible, but I think Messi is the best attacker of all time tied with Cruijff, Van Basten, Pele, Maradona, Gullit, but I put Messi at the top because yes he can pass 6 players, yes he can playmake, yes he can score 100 fucking goals in a calender year and has proven himself on every stage, so fucking what he's a system player
Fun fact: The ballon dor wasnt given at first to non european players. Maradona would’ve actually had 2
@@ervin_morales3396 maybe even more. People in todays era judge different because many r recency biased since they earn money with todays football business. Of course they got an interest to make current player Look better than past ones. It would have been interessting what the people of the past would have decided how much they give him. Maradona got an even more huge impact on people in the 80s than messi got in his era with all the social media and other booster
Even more than 2 , but messi is still clear stats + trophies/awards + as a player
Messi's discipline and longevity are insane in comparison to Maradona. Maradona was brilliant every now and then but Messi was Messi every 3 days for over a decade and a half. The ball probably loved Maradona more, but Messi made the most out of it. Maradona had weaknesses in life that ruined him. Messi never had any weaknesses on the pitch or in life.
Exactly. I can’t penalize Messi for his consistency. His career eclipsed Maradona’s and by a lot to be honest.
Despite this, I still prefer Maradona as my favorite player haha, but to say he’s far superior to Messi, is a joke.
The ball didnt love maradona more.
Disagree on that Messi faced a great challenge with his health, don’t forget that also he was separated from his family at a very young age , there are something’s that are built in people personality , Maradona was easy to have bad acts and affected by others , but Messi does not , that’s why he isolated himself from others not because he has a weak personality but because he does not want anyone to affect on him
I lived Maradona time , yes I am younger than him but watched most of his games even the WC , however I will comfortably say that Messi is better than him for sure , he is more of complete player and his IQ is higher plus more amusing to watch , I always used to sat Maradona but Messi surpassed him by far sorry.
Thats a clear lie😂
@@A123-u7z what do you mean by clear lie , did not get it.
Yeah u r just another clueless dude who just watched football back then but didnt understand what happened. Otherwise u would have noticed that some important rules were changed to benefit attacking football in Messis time. And it all happened after Maradonas prime.
And if u really watched him then u would have noticed that Maradona had to Deal with a totally harder resistance
@@Dacio1202 He is another Messi fan who is lying... Not even a single one who I know said Messi is close to Diego. It was very very tough and Maradona did the impossible
@@A123-u7z Messi isnt even the best for his former teammates like Ronaldinho, Henry or Ibrahimovic. For many other former player and todays coaches aswell. Even Cantona said it that todays defender cant tackle anymore
Crazy how messi is a tier above Maradona and himself is a tier above cristiano and he himself is above the rest
No. lol you’re saying cr7 is the 3rd best player ever?
@@patinho5589 never said that bud why you mad
@@patinho5589no he’s not, he is saying he is the fourth best after messi pele maradona
If you are talking about all time greats, messi is number 1, cristiano is number 2, maradona/pele is 3 and 4
@@patinho5589he’s not even 3rd
messi plays on a whole other level. messi carried a dying argentina team for so long with di maria, and carried a literally useless barca team after neymar left, and even more after suarez left. (specially in 2019). barca almost went unbeaten in la liga once, and the one game they lost it was the 1 game that messi didnt play. messis impact to the team is immensly high and should at least be comparable to maradona, instead of just being shrugged off
Simply, Messi not even top 10 in history. Guliit can play 6 positions Messi only 1. Johan 10 positions. Messi only RWF. He also need to learn how to play defense, no height, average below with his head, and as i say lack of multiple position unlike Matthaus Gullit Pele and especially Johan - makes Messi out of top 10. Not to mention softest era ever. He not even on Roberto Baggio, Rivelino, Romario Van Basten Eusebio level.
YEAH WITH 15 PENALTIES BECAUSE SAIDI ARABIA BETTER THAN HIM. NO REFS NO WORLD CUP
@@ZzzVain Buddy, positions and fucking defending doesn't matter that much for an attacker. Messi plays RWF most of the time, because it's his main position, (no shit) but he can also play CAM and CF. And it's not his fault he's short af 😭
@@ZzzVainwhat the shit logic you brought here.Others are legends but Messi is legend above legends.
@@ZzzVain15 penalties?what the hell?
You have a ton of hard core Maradona fans (including myself) on these threads.. but unlike most of them, my Maradona goggles aren’t foggy.
I prefer Maradona, yes. His skills, prowess, decisiveness, and leadership, made him a ridiculous force of nature of the pitch.
BUT, to say Messi isn’t close or better ? Is criminal and straight haterade at this point.
you see i disagree, but i can respect that. I'll even admit that at absolute peak vs peak theres definitely great arguments in favor of maradona, but the difference being Messi's prime simply lasted MUCH longer and was far more consistent.
@@wesbyEric I don’t disagree with that either, though. The truth is, Messi’s career eclipses Maradona’s by a wide margin. It’s just facts.
This is why I say that hardcore Maradona fans saying Messi isn’t close (or better) is criminal.
Cause it’s not true.
Messi is the Greatest of all time, there was never a debate.
If you are talking of passing ability, Messi, Verratti, Kroos, Iniesta are in the debate against Maradona, but Ronaldinho edges out with a margin as the king of passes.
Neymar Junior and Maradona have equal playmaking potential as Messi. But Messi edges them both with his goal scoring ability.
However, Johan Cruyff is the greatest playmaker of all time, only behind Ronaldinho in Passing ability.
When you discuss about to goals, Messi enters in the debate as well. But this time against Christiano Ronaldo. Messi still edges out in goals per game ratio.
Messi can't be compared to others, because he takes much more responsibility than others.
Messi delivers successfully more than others on his responsibility as well.
In very simple terms, Messi is both a genius in playmaking, and a genius in scoring.
There is no other player that is a genius in scoring and playmaking.
That is why he is called the greatest of all time
He is a genius dribbler and at free kicks
Messi played against defenders who were fitter stronger and had game planes. he still made them look as if they were average, Messi also kept such a high level year after year. That's what makes him the goat of football
VAR era only allows defenders to follow the attacker. Tackles from behind not being allowed since 2000s is a joke to the game that should be a proper contact sport.
@@heppolo contact sport and have defenders ruin careers because of hard tackles from behind??? common man...its a contact sport but these players need protection....you wonder why van basten retire3d early? its because of these hard tackles u advocating for...maybe u should take up football as a career and have it ended because of a hard tackle....lets see if you advocate for it then
@@femiezra5329 I was a goalkeeper actually on an amateur and semi-pro level and both goalkeepers and defenders are ridiculously underrated in comparison to stat merchants from upfront.
Thinking that Ronaldinho isn't better than Neymar must be a joke.
Maradona is no way near to messi
He not near to messi because maradona is vastly superior to messi
@@Kdb_stylin you must a part time comedian 😀😀
Maradona is even inferior to cr7 let alone the 🐐
Maradona was a monster, he dribbled players like they were cones in the field, his shot was astonishing and his pace was as if the devil himself was rioting against the box. But football isnt about atheticism, prowess and flare only isnt it? I mean we all love the flare and amazing feats (Maradona carrying Napoli solehadendly and to be honest every team he was in). This game is about knowing your way with the ball. Messi is seemingly able to do ANYTHING with a football. He scores lobb goals, power shots, in between legs shots, free kick shots. He dribbles players like the ball is sticked to his foot. His vision of the field is just unreal and he passses with such accuracy that it edges on surreality. In other words, Maradona was a greek mythology human figure. Messi is a god. Even without Maradonas ability to carry teams. It always seems that Messi is containing himself (maybe too much) but still. Messis prime is up there to the world to confirm everything I said.
Messi can't take half the amount of tackles Maradona did
@@francizcos-Dj exactly
Messi is like the combination of Maradona and Pele. The flair, dribble, playmaking skills of Maradona meet Pele's goalscoring ability and consistency.
@@MinhNguyen-vl6ul you have no idea what you're talking about 🤣
@@hellowalkman4506he’s right tho?
@@Chukz05Messi Flair?😂
In what world does Maradona beat Messi in the eye test? Slower, far less legendary goals, ponderous by comparison.
I just let him have it just to be nice 😆
You definitely have not seen maradona, you disrespect him and everyone here, go watch football in the garbage as you do, slower? yeah he might be but with the amount of injuries he has to sustain its a fact that is obvious to see, more speed equals more injuries if players try to injure you and legendary goals? HAVE YOU SEEN HIM PLAY??! come on man you are just a 10 year old kid or what?
@@halfwaycashplayers from that era would get lapped nowdays. Just because they did more fauls doesn't mean that they were better. Football as we know now started in 2002. The 60/90' era its incredibly overrated.
U r another clueless Messifanboy. Messi faster?😂 If Messi is able to run past 5 athletic defender all just watching and letting him run on carpet pitches then of course it might Look as if he was fast.
While Maradona played on pitches which looked as a bombed ground where the ball bounced each few metres and he had to win space like in american football because he was butchered down already some times before even reaching the box. Funny how people with 0 ball knowledge try to compare messis pampered era with Maradonas toughest era of all time
@halfwaycash If anything this shows how dangerous he was, not everyone was getting fouled the way Maradona was getting fouled
What we need to ask our self is how Argentina manage to clown maradona and have two of the same type of player they play the same way.
Ye but World Cup tax is World Cup tax.
Messi was always the better player overall but Maradona was ,,The guy that dragged Argentina and Napoli to greatness ".
You can't quantify that in stats.
Nether can you quantify what Pele did.
Those 3 have gone where no other footballer ever has, so they are on the teir above all the other Greats
Pele's first WC he was not instrumental, he contributed as a teen which is magnificent for sure, but it was not because of Pele that they won. Pele was injured an entire WC of the 3 "he" won, and most agree he wasnt even the best player of the tournament of WC 70, that prized belonged to his teamate whose name i cant remember but was the top goalscorer and overall better performer, but Pele was the bigger name and so got the award. Maradona had an unreal 86 WC for sure, but people forget that unlike with messi and higuain in 86 Maradona's teammates stepped up when they needed to, otherwise germany would have taken that title. Maradona was a disaster in 82, and 94. And Messi had although not as great still great 2014 WC(which should have won if Higuain had not choked so damn hard, or Di Maria gotten injured) then 2022 amazing record breaking performance. Neither Pele nor maradona won a copa america or olympic tournament, and Messi now has 2 copa america and 1 olympics, in all 3 wins winning player of the tournament award. And you say greatness Barcelona's greatest era BY FAR has been Messi's Barcelona, look at barcelona before and look at it after Messi..
@@wesbyEricMaradona was not a disaster in 82. Think next time
Dinho was better then Neymar without a doubt!
Messi admires Maradona. Without him, there would be no Messi. Messi says Ronaldo Nazario was the best though. All great great above natural level.
Comparison is the thief of joy and the both of them gave the footballing world immense joy no need for comparison they're both the greatest in their own right and who's better is subjective and arguable in my opinion and very difficult to do considering the difference in eras but it doesn't matter who believes what as long as they're both loved and cherished.
Messi helped an average Argentina team to the finals on 2014 wc. Messi himself helped saved Argentina to qualify for the 2018 World Cup. Messi himself helped Barcelona get into the 2019 champions league. Messi himself helped Barcelona win laliga 2018. Maradona flopped at Barca, had a decent performaniming team in 1986 wc when some of the players almost outperformed him. Messi played against better average players who are faster,stronger etc and still outperformed them for over a decade. Messi has the most assists despite being a forward and is the 2nd top scorer in history. Messi is a alien and is greater than any footballer ever before him
1) When ARG win: Messi is the man! He carried the team! He himself helped!
When ARG loses: Oh its the team's fault. Average team, flop team 😭
2) Nice of you to not mention Copa 2024 where ARG won with just 1 goal & 1 assist from Messi. His teammates did the rest. 😭
3) Messi has millions of fan. Whereas Ronaldo has Billions of fans. More people on earth think CR7 is the GOAT. And these Billions will write the history, not millions 😭
1 Sergio Romero goalkeeper, Monaco
2 Ezequiel Garay defender, Benfica
3 Hugo Campagnaro defender, Internazionale
4 Pablo Zabaleta defender, Manchester City
5 Fernando Gago midfielder, Boca Juniors
6 Lucas Biglia midfielder, Lazio
7 Ángel di María midfielder, Real Madrid
8 Enzo Pérez midfielder, Benfica
9 Gonzalo Higuaín forward, Napoli
10 Lionel Messi (captain) forward, Barcelona
11 Maxi Rodríguez midfielder, Newell’s Old Boys
12 Agustín Orión goalkeeper, Boca Juniors
13 Augusto Fernández midfielder, Celta Vigo
14 Javier Mascherano midfielder, Barcelona
15 Martín Demichelis defender, Manchester City
16 Marcos Rojo defender, Sporting
17 Federico Fernández defender, Napoli
18 Rodrigo Palacio forward, Internazionale
19 Ricardo Álvarez midfielder, Internazionale
20 Sergio Agüero forward, Manchester City
21 Mariano Andújar goalkeeper, Catania
22 Ezequiel Lavezzi forward, Paris Saint-Germain
23 José María Basanta defender, Monterrey
How is this squad average?
Lol.. The guy did nothing in K. O. Defence carried
Di Maria is the reason yall casuals think Messi is the goat 🤡🤡
Messi had world class players in his team. Maradona didn't. Maradona was a 1 man army. Messi flopped at psg with mbappe and neymar.
An argentine friend, old dude, when Messi won the world cup i said to him "finally Messi tied or even surpassed Diego" and he smirked and said thats never ever going to happen, even if Messi wins another world cup, i asked him why? It is not even close in stats and trophies and he goes "nah, u dont get it, Diego represented the boy in the streets with holes in his shoes that came from poverty playing footbal, Messi represents growth hormones at 12 years old in one of the best football schools in the world....u dont get it" and that day i knew never to ask that question to antoher argentine, specially an old one
You didnt consider the fact that messi had to take growth hormones just to reach the baseline...his body couldnt produce it. Also ignored the fact that he was from the best football schools because he earned it. One could even argue that diego had easier opponents.
@@bulletprooftradingOut of all the arguments Diego had easier opponents is the one you chose? I swear casuals are so fkin rtarded
On the last questions I answered yes the world cup is harder, a few weeks to train and get in tune. No the world cup isn't worth any number of Champions League. It's different its rarity makes it more important and also gives light to international football and its growth. The social aspect of it is extremely important to a point where people said Messi isn't as good totally wrote him off because if not winning the WC despite his numbers.
I started watching football in world cup 1998, i was 13 years old, i remember the joy seeing all the talented players do there magic, after that i saw clips of Maradona playing, i was shocked haw can such a player exist, how can a player dribble half team when dribbling one defender is considered a top talent.
That time i wished i saw Maradona play live. Luckily i witnessed messi doing everything Maradona did.
For me the goat is messi but only because he was more than a player in the field.
As for numbers and stats, there were never a standard before C.Ronaldo, because it’s the only way to make a player compete with messi , and competition is good for making money.
I had the privilege of watching both. They were both great, but there's one key difference between them: when Barcelona missed Messi, you still believed they could win no problem. But when Napoli missed Maradona, it felt like the end.
Maradona means so much to so many in the world. He was the hero to not just Argentina but to others too. Messi may have all the trophies but maradona has the love of the world.
Ok, lets make this clear. Maradona winning the league with Napoli is nothing close to even impossible. Go back and check the trend back then, ofcourse the bigger teams like milan, Juve dominated, but the title was much open to be won by many teams back then in Italy. It was not like today's where just hardly 2 or 3 teams compete for the title. Also the number of games were much lesser which makes it even more unpredictable.
If you still have doubt go and check the list of title winners around the time Maradona won the title with Napoli, you would find teams like Hellas verona and sampdoria winning it!
So Maradona winning it with Napoli os not something impossible. For the people in Naples it might have a nostalgia, but other than that nothing great!
Maradona 86 world cup> messi
Maradona whole career overall
Maradona in the 85/86 season (where he won the World Cup and then Seria A with Napoli) >>>>>>> any version of Messi
If you think comparing Messi and Maradona is strange. Think about how people compare Messi and C. Ronaldo. It's crazy and doesn't even make sense!
It's a lot closer actually. Eras can't be compared.
I am Argentine, watched the 2 of them. Messi his whole career, Maradona his final years.
European football since the effects of the bosman rulling were established is all about 7 or 8 super clubs that hoard the best players of the planet in bulk, even if they don't use them in order to beat the competition.
Look at Chelsea...
In Maradonas time, before the bosman rulling clubs were a lot more even and competitive. So on big clubs had a couple of great players but also regular ones in your own team, and the opposition was in average stronger.
Give Maradona the chance to play alongside lots of the best players in the world for 15 years vs Alaveses and rayos vallecanos and your stats will be a lot better.
Maradona faced brutal, career ending tackles all his career. Messi didn't. Talented players like Messi are protected by refs these days thanks to players like Maradona.
World cup qualifiers were a lot different. Hence Maradona played a lot less games on the national team. Messi has great stats, but padded specially on the last years thanks to the terrible friendly games Tapia, the AFA president, organized. They might as well play Sunday league teams.
Messis behaviour gives him the edge but maybe his family learnt from Maradonas case what to to manage his career properly.
Maradona was the first truly global sports superstar. You might also bring Pele but telecominications weren't as developed in the 50s/60s so he had less reach
@@87crimson not only the bossman judgement got a huge Effect.
Even more impact had the changes in rules. 1990 offside rule and 1998 tackling rule got changed to favour attacker. From mid 00s on tacklings got restricted even further to the extent that each slight Touch would be a foul.
Messi did not faced brutal career ending tackles? Seriously? LOL!!! I can listen to you claiming Maradona is better but claiming messi did not receive brutal tackles is the saying of a true clown. HAHA!
@@awp20rokhum ur the clueless clown dude. In messis hardest foul compilations u always see the same 15-20 fouls He got throughout his career.
That amount Maradona got in a month.
Watch some Maradona foul compilations and come back then.
Its not even worth to compare LOL.
Look up gentile vs Maradona here on TH-cam. There u will see 23 fouls in one Single match.
Crazy how delusional most messi fanboys r
@@awp20rokhum NO ONE TRY TO FRACTURE MESSI LEG LIKE IN 80S U CANT TALK HERE ANYMORE MESSI PLAY ION ERA OF FLOPPERS WHERE NEYMAR HAVE MIX VIDEOS ON YT OF DIVING
@@ZzzVain HAHAHA! here is a laugh for you CLOWN!! HAHAHAHAHAHA
Comparing in sports and art are such a stupid work.Facts don't care. I love Pele,Maradona,Messi, Ronaldo and many more,They are incredible,but They alone can't win anything.And I havemuch respect on Messi's humble life.
Zidane isn't better than Platini
this guy is a "modern football is better" merchant.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Did Messi ever score "Hand of Cheater goal" like Maradona?
Yes. Messi replicate every Legendary Goals in history, from pele , maradona, Cryftt, Zidane... every single one of them
He did indeed, against RCD Espanyol in the last match of a Spanish League season a few years ago
Back when Maradona was playing defenders were trying to take players out. Ramos would have been considered soft if he played back then and he'd go his entire career without a single red card.
Estos muchachos… por dios. Messi en una entrevista con Zizou dijo que de chico todos soñaban ser como el Diego, pero que después ninguno llegó a ser como él (más o menos así dijo). Y Messi no le debe nada a nadie. Habla francamente. Lo dice porque lo piensa.
Y Messi piensa eso porque sabe muchísimo más de futbol que todos nosotros y cuando alguien que sabe mucho ve al Diego, entiende.
Más allá de todo, un agradecido de haber nacido en Argentina, pero también en Sudamérica, Dinho, Sócrates (rengo y bebedor), y miles más.
Un placer.
El futbol es el deporte más bello, siempre y cuando lo jueguen Sudamericanos.
Cariños a todos!
Misconception is the fact that you believe that Maradona did not win the golden ball. He did not because he could not. I will put this into a simple logical fact. If you are an average professional boxer and you fight againt 100 people in good shape that you meet walking on the street, does that make you better than someone that wins one single fight with Mike Tyson?
Maradona was playing against the best defender of all times. Messi was playing in Spain that is a league that is not known for its difending qualities.
When you play agains people that are always trying to brake your ankles (one even succeded ) is a bit more difficult than playing against people that are barely alloweed to touch you. You do not even have to go to touch Maradona. Pessi and Penaldo are not even better than R9.
He is one of the best midfielders but he shouldn't be compared to forwards
Messi was more succesful because he played in an era which was designed for attacking football.
Maradona had to deal with much more resistance.
Messi belongs to the greatest but imo he is below Maradona
I think Messi is better but the idea that it is just media that brings up comparisons is wrong. There are GENUINE comparisons. Nowadays Europe is undoubtedly more prestigious than South America. But back then a lot of those claims were actually just bias. Up until the turning point of football when the sport became more systematic, it was close. Before becoming Maradona was a senior player Argentinos Juniors were a relegation side. Immediately when Maradona debuted they became a powerhouse. Then he joined Boca who were struggling and established them as powerhouses again. Non-bias media had already proclaimed him the best player in the world multiple times. Another piece of context is before the Calciopoli scandal the Serie A was the best league in the world. And Maradona at Napoli was the best the league had ever seen. His time in LaLiga was criminally underrated. He didn’t win much similar to Messi in the latter stages of his Barca career, but was still the hardest player to go up against. Now let’s talk internationally. He only won one WC, but should have won more. Maradona was left out of the Argentina side that won their first ever WC, but was considered one of the best Argentinians in the world at 17. His spot was taken by an inferior player due to political reasons. People still talk about the hand of god without realizing in the 1982 WC Argentina was arguably the best team but was victim to extreme European bias (as where many South American giants) with some of the most clear decisions against them in history. In 1990 he arguably did better than Messi in 2014; both lost finals to Germany. But people accept Messi as the best player in the 2014 WC without seeing how scrappy his run to the final was. It was almost the exact same as England in the Euros this year. Meanwhile Maradona was truly cooking in 1990.
People are going to comment “Bro wrote a whole essay 🤓“. There’s literally no point in saying that. If you don’t want to read just don’t say anything. It’s just an NPC comment that nobody asked for.
Maradona played in the best league in the world at the time (Italian) who are known for their solid defense, so was much harder to score. Also, it was much rougher and you could kick players in them days. The pitch was not as smooth as it is today. Maradona played for Napoli Messi had Barcelona best ever team around him.
Kids growing up now won’t fully grasp how good Cristiano and Messi was, just like we won’t fully grasp how great Maradona was in his era, you just had to be there.
One of the dumbest things i see is young kids saying they think R9 is THE best striker ever when they was i diapers when he played🤣
Back when i was young nobody was saying he was the greatest ever, and that was because of the injuries.
It's insane to think that you could take in consideration statistics, winning, awards since not only at the time the game was different it was much MUCH more position and defending focused, meanwhile today it's much more speed and attacking focused, today's game is much more similar to pelè's age game in brazil, and in brazil only, on the eye test it is a discussion but not as good as you make it, there are points that could go to messi, but they are not really comparing to maradona, he played in the best era of defending and in the hardest league of the time with the best defenses probably ever on average (not the best defense ever, but the league with, on average, the best defending ever) and could score imposaible goals just as good as messi's and even better goals, and it's crazy to say that awards and winnings are individual points to discuss, otherwise lautaro and alvarez are better than prime kane, and statistics kinda become meaningless in front of the context.
I don't know who is thebest between maradona, pelè, messi and pre injury ronaldo (the true ronaldo) and idon't think anyone does, but saying that there isn't a debate is crazy, and this comes from someone who grew up with the messi era, who loved messi so much that watched almost every game of his, who held him as the greatest of all time for quite a period, who never thought that messi vs ronaldo was even a debate, but to say that maradona and messi are not extremely close, and use these arguments to support the idea, shows me your tremendous bias and that you have a shallow understanding of the game over the different ages.
Don't take this offensively because it's not meant fo be an insult
Edit I also forgotto say that saying Dinho wasn't better than Neymar you sure are extremely affected by recency bias, because that take is absolutely horrendous
Thank you mate. Especially as you say that you're from Messi's era, your take is a really good one
@@njldst2007 thank you, it just strikes me to hear people who say that there isn't a comparasion between these players, i try to loo at the plays and see how players interacted in the past and in the present and i'm pretty sure that the "golden age of football" is probably either the years from 1995 to 2010, or the '50-'70 era and this speaks plenty, since i could probably be affected be recency bias and say that these most recent players would be on the same level of pelè, garrincha, zito, charlton, yashin, best, beckenbauer, but i think that i can stand this ground and say that those two eras were the best, by comparing both the bests and the average players
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people even would compare messi to CR7
i get it, CR7 is a an elite human specimen and full on dedication with charisma.. i even agree hes one of the best striker no doubt.. i was amazed by him.. but that was before i knew messi
and Messi just different.. hes IS football
Football is a team-sport and making individual judgements is hard and harsh to players. Times have changed a lot and comparisons are so inaccurate, but many seasoned fans will agree on the fact that Maradona was the most talented, iconic and influential (on and off the pitch) footballer that ever played the game. But Messi is the most longeval, clinical and complete player of History
i guess u need to watch full matches back in the days of Pele and Maradona to see how tough it was to play against teams. Every tackle they receive is easily a red card these days and they need to take at least 5 to 6 such tackles before the opponent gets even a yellow card. That is why it is easier for attackers now to play. It was to protect magical players after the tragic early retirement of Van Basten.
U can simply go watch on youtube the full match of 1970 world cup final that Pele played. he received a two footed challenge from the back on his legs by a Italy player the moment he beat him and the crazy thing is the referee could stop the physio from coming onto the field to treat Pele who was rolling in pain and not even a yellow card was issued. Likewise, when Gentile just kicked Maradona out of the 1982 WC with 23 fouls on him and still did not get a red card. Those were the type of treatment Maradona and Pele got which definitely reduced the output statwise. Messi definitely had a crazy stat boost at Barca because of the Spanish golden generation (that won everything at national level from 2008 to 2012). If you exclude his stats from Barca and used that of Argentina and PSG, he probably had something similar with Maradona. Both were generation talents of their own era and it is definitely disrespectful to claim it is not even close between Maradona and Messi.
You're looking at it in terms of stats... look at it this way: Maradona was heads above his peers in his era. he lifted the bar much higher then Messi did/will ever do.
Also, not only did Maradona have God given talent like Messi, he also had what makes CR7 one of the greats, a huge ego and will. As I always say "jokingly": if CR7 and Messi had a lovechild together, it would be Maradona 🙈😅
This video encompasses everything wrong with how modern football fanboys look at the game. Every single point made here has holes in it that can be countered with arguments
Regarding the World Cup vs UCL issue : You have 4 times more opportunity to win UCL than World Cup, which makes the world cup achievement more impressive. But I agree than in terms of difficulty, it's debattable
Messi can't take half the amount of tackles Maradona did 😅
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Man, you’re making an argument about mainstream media making you believe things that aren’t true, but you’re in fact falling inside the trap yourself. Statistics never were and never will be the right way to compare players. It’s not about “how many” you do, it’s about WHAT you do, HOW you do it and in which CONTEXT. Maradona won the toughest competitions (not just the World Cup, but Serie A was the highest level of football at the time - higher than the Champions League) almost single-handed. Turning teams who don’t have a chance into winners. Messi always has been the cherry on top of teams who could easily win even without him. Technically they’re not even similar. Maradona was so much more creative and had a much wider variety of things he could do. If you compare stats, you’ll never get an accurate picture. Just as the Messi-Cristiano debate doesn’t exist, because yes, comparable stats, but Messi is far superior, same goes for Messi-Maradona. Messi has better stats, but Maradona was something else entirely. I haven’t really seen Pelé so I won’t comment, but in my lifetime, the only player who got somewhere close to Maradona was Ronaldo the phenomenon. Maradona though, is by any means the GOAT
As someone who watched both Ronaldihnio and Neymar, prime Ronaldihnio >>>>
People who haven’t seen Diego play talking about him😂
Messi the best football player ever, PERIOD.
Being the darling of Infantino negates all the statistics. Especially with all the shady referee stuff in connection to Barcelona.
I don't know man, I'm a Messi fan but even now when I watch some of highlights of Maradona I just can't pont fingers anywhere else when it comes to tagging someone as Greatest ever. What Maradona could do messi hasn't: he is not at all as versatile as Maradona.
aside from flair and motivating his team, what could maradona do better? Messi was indeed a better dribbler, better at through balls, better at long passes, better at long shots, better at scoring. stats completely prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Maradona had flair though, he not only did amazing things he did them in ways that were just such a joy to watch, kind of a in between messi and ronaldinho. absolutely increible and we have been blessed to have enjoyed seen him play.
@@wesbyEric Maradona could dribble better, yup, going forward the speed with which he'd dribble past defenders, plus look at the skills he always had up his sleeves, Rabona, 360, step overs, and its funny that you mentioned through balls, watch some of his assists. Overall, he was more skilled than messi.
Maradona is Messi with balls
He's a bigger character for sure. A much more natural leader compared to Messi. But when it comes to actually playing come on it's no where near.
Can't compare greats from totally different eras
Its how messi didnt perform at the world cups previous to winning it. This was Messi outside of his comfort zone, unable to carry anybody. So we deem that maradona had more character,more fight,more heart and we conclude that he achieved when it was tougher to achieve, won with poor working class teams that had never won, and so elevate him to be the greatest. Messi has been brilliant, but ironically it's the tournaments he has failed to peform in, anonymous on occasion, that count so hard against him.
Lets be honest, Messi wasn’t the best performing player in the World Cup either, he had a few bright moments and a lot of penalty’s that pushed them over the finish line. I would argue he wasn’t even the best Argentine.
What are you even talking about. Maradona had 4 world cups out of which on 3 of them HE WAS NOBODY!
The Maradona goggles are foggy all over these threads 😂😂😂
And I’m a HUGE Maradona who prefers him over Messi. But let’s get real.
The margin is WAYY smaller and Messi belongs in the same GOAT convo as Maradona and Pele.
Fans need to stop the cap 😂😂😂
@@BodyLotionVideos What are you even smoking??? bro several of my friends are ronaldo fans and admitted to me Messi's WC performance was incredible... He was mostly a playmaker so even without the goals his contribution would have been nearly the same as his role was creating chances for his team and he did so wonderfully.
@@BodyLotionVideoswhat are you smoking lol, I need it's very strong, that world cup performance is the best performance in the history of the world cup, you didn't see that Messi assists against Netherlands, I see you just wanted to play dumb here
Lost me with the Ronaldinho and Neymar comparison!
Ah yes, Bobby Caton🏴🐐
MARADONA IS WAY BETTER THAN MESSI THE THIEF.
A kid who has never watched Maradona gonna tell us who's better between Maradona and Messi...
I'm sure that makes for a greatly unbiased video.
Maradona's 1986 World Cup run is simply the pinacle of any footballer I've ever seen. If you want to talk stats, longevity, or whatever, then Messi wins. But if we want greatest single tournament performance of all time, then at the very least from what I've seen, Maradona is the GOAT.
This is the problem with GOAT debates, the term is so vague nobody knows what you're comparing at some point. The pundits and yourself are both guilty of this. Define what it means to be the greatest, before trying to prove who is the greatest.
Influence in the team is key
You could just as easily turn the Napoli "mid table" and "average" Argentina teams arguments on their heads: how bad was the competition that one player could make an average team good enough to beat everyone?
On top of that, the 'toughness' argument is obviously ridiculous. Football these days is incredibly hard on players' bodies. The schedule is way more congested, and defenders still kick the shit out of your legs, so only the physically top percent of players can even have a career that totals the length of Messi's at Barcelona, let alone play at the level he played at for as long as he did.
Maradona's career would be completely average in today's football world. It's more sensible to compare him to Lukas Podolski than to Messi.
And yet Pepe cooks most elite defenders at the age of 41 which is a joke. Until defenders are allowed to run the game like they did in the 80s/90s it's not a contact sport anymore. Look at the Vinnie Jones highlights reel, and he was one of the regular defenders of that era.
Now use stats and compare Messi and Pele.
Only category that matters is talent. Maradona wins.
This is an impossible comparison because football (or soccer) is a team sport. Imagine this hypothetical, how would had each player performed if you they were to switch teams and eras? Do you think Messi had won all the trophies he has won had he played for Napoli in the 80s? Spain during Messi’s prime was dominating the world without him, from 2008 to 2012. This Spain was based on Barcelona - 7 of the main players were from Barcelona. So, you can argue that the reason why Messi scored more goals, and won more trophies was because he was in a better team.
What if we just ignore all the trophies and focus on the way both players played - their assists, their dribbling, creativity, and impact on the game and team. Maradona had the flair of Ronaldinho, and maybe even more. Remember that no one has ever provided more goal contributions than Maradona in the 1986 WC, with one game less than the modern WC.
I am not saying that Maradona is better or the other way around, I am just questioning your criteria for deciding this.
AC milan Won the league with 36 goals scored that was The Seri A in the 80s and 90s not la liga where Barcelona was scoring 100 goals each Season
The eye test is also far more important than awards. Your approach to this is incredibly simplistic. Good taste in music though.
You do realize that you can't isolate "impact on team" as a solitary statistic? That is literally the definition of how good a player is: how much impact they have on a team.
Made an averagely good Argentina & Napoli win a WC & European Cup. So why dont you bring that up?
maradona is not better than Bernardo Silva.
Messi > Maradona
I mean great video but you can’t compare attacking midfielders to Messi who played as a center forward or right wing. Diego I believe was also more of a forward than an attacking midfielder so ofc he’s gonna have way better numbers than all the players that were compared to him
Messi is the greatest footballer.
Simply put, you don't know football
Simply, Messi not even top 10 in history. Guliit can play 6 positions Messi only 1. Johan 10 positions. Messi only RWF. He also need to learn how to play defense, no height, average below with his head, and as i say lack of multiple position unlike Matthaus Gullit Pele and especially Johan - makes Messi out of top 10. Not to mention softest era ever. He not even on Roberto Baggio, Rivelino, Romario Van Basten Eusebio level.
I can name 15 players better than Messi even prime Henry was better than any Messi peak. Platini Zico Rivelino Baggio Romario Matthaus Zidane Gullit Van Basten Eusebio Beckenbauer Ronaldinho Pele Maradona I will even take Maldini on draft because I have more for my team. U need great team around Messi but Maldini is FRANCHISE WHOLE TEAM.
@@ZzzVain in my opinion Maradona is better than Messi but tbh not considering Messi in at least Top 3-4 doesnt feel right.
Messi got it easier than past player but still he won everything, thats something even Messi criticizer gotta respect. I criticized Messi and lot myself.
He is certainly up there among the best
@@Dacio1202 As I say whos better with head Gullit or Messi ? Whos better in defense , strength , speed, power shoot. Dude what Messi can do that no one else can? He cant do elastico or cycle dribbling. Or even Zidane roullette. He cant play with head like van Basten Batistuta Shearer. Messi is somewhere 13 to 20 spot.
@@Dacio1202 Won everything?? U dont deserved to talk. So now Cannavaro is better than Maradona cause he won ballon. Messi never won world cup. Romario score 1000 goals and won world. U mean refs won for Argentina 6 penalties after Arabia schooled Messi
How is Michael Laudrup not in the 25 best offensive midfielders of all time? Michael is clear of every single one of them the only players that are even close are Maradona and Platini
9:33 -9:46 You DID imply that Maradona's era prohibited him from winning the Ballon d'or as a non-European before 1995, right?
Yes, during his best years he wasn’t eligible for the award. He probably would have had 2 at minimum if he was
It would be way more interesting to compare them as players, based on their attributes and qualities on the pitch instead of these pointless like comparisons like GA (which is not everything) and team awards like trophies.
Messi is the better player but this video doesnt add anything interesting to be honest.
Video was made by a fan boy who never actually watched them play. and to say Messi is better than Cristiano Ronaldo is a big lie. I had the previledge to watch them both start their career and watch right through and all I can say is Cristiano ronaldo was and still is miles ahead of Messi as he is proving now in his twighlight, If Ronaldo is this good at 40 imagine how good he was at 25, FIFA and the Media did a good job raising Messi's profile and adding fake goals and assists to his stats. even though they try shorten Ronaldo's goals he is still on 901 miles ahead of Messi, Ronaldo King of UCL, King of Internationals all time highest Goal scorer, and if Ronaldo had half as good a team as Messi had with Argentina Portugal would have about 2 World Cups now, pity Ronaldo had Good players in Portugal at the begining of his career and only now in his twilight having had to carry an average Protugal team in-between and most of his career
Let's compare Maradona and Messi strengths:
Maradona:
- much more skillful passer of the ball. Maradona's back heel was incredible, so were his acrobatic passes.
- physically more powerful than Messi relative to the surrounding players of their eras.
- better with the outside of his boot. His trivela passes were rare but wonderfully executed with terrific back spin, his rabonas were wonderful too.
Messi:
- much more two footed than Maradona allowing him to score goals with his right foot far more effectively and easily. Maradona's right foot was barely ever used, altthough he was a master of the rabona and trivela so Diego never needed his weaker foot all that much.
Overall Maradona is arguably the better passer and Messi arguably the better scorer.
Comparing statistics is pointless to determine who is better because for stats to be actually comparable, they need to be from the same set of circumstances, and unfortunately that is not the case. Both Maradona and Messi have played under vastly different conditions and circumstances, including things like team formation, roster strength, on-field positions, and more.
Also eye test is stupid. Maradona's videos are mostly recoreded with a potato compared to what we have for Messi.
I think this video is weird because Messi and Maradona shouldn't be compared in the first place. I absoloutely love Lionel Messi and how he changed football forever with all his alien performances over the years but at the same time you can't compare him with the legend himself Diego Maradona, it's not about numbers or statistics or how much trophies a player won over the other because they are from 2 totally different periods of time. How would Messi do if we was in Maradona's shoes and how would Maradona do if he was in Messi's shoes? That's the real question; for me it's about the impact they have left on the world: Maradona was a true monster, in this video you said that the game has become more advanced and that's true if we're talking about the technical parts of football, but I'd say it was waaaaaaaay harder back then in some aspects. Maradona played 7 years for Napoli and he made this club win their first 2 Serie A trophies, allegedly nothing special until we take in account that Maradona played in the period when Serie A was the harshest football league and he had to play against so many football legends and arguably the best defenders of all time. I'm not saying that Napoli had trash players back then, they were good but not comparable to Platini's Juventus, Sacchi's Milan and the Inter of champions (I named the big 3 of Italy but there were other teams that were close to the level of these 3 I just named). Maradona was the sole player that could beat all this teams with his sheer effort alone, he was the superstar and he didn't play more because of injuries. Like I said earlier Messi had a spectacular career too, he made the 91 goals in a season record after all but he had a much easier time than Maradona in my opinion. Barcelona when Messi joined was much bigger and stronger than Napoli was at that time, with players like Ronaldihno, Puyol, Eto'o, Xavi, Iniesta etc.. Messi had much more room for maneuver, after all, he was Barcelona's biggest star and he truly was the best player of the world (still is), and with him came Suarez and Neymar; they conquered la Liga with their only rivals being Real Madrid. But how can we compare this with what Maradona had to go through? Extremely disrespectul, not only he carried Napoli alone against almost impossible to beat rivals (for Napoli) but he also had to play in tremendous field conditions (go look up yourself how the fields were back then, can't imagine how today's best players could play in those conditions). In the end I think we can't judge by simply putting together statistics and trophies, it would overshadow Maradona's greatness. Maradona is football and Messi is the best footballer that has ever played football.
I overshadowed the fact that Messi carried Barcelona in 2019 after Neymar and Suarez left wich is a feat of its own. Again I think Messi is the best footballer of all time but Maradona represents football.
Messi is clear bro,the only thing maradona had n made Messi to be on his shadow fr so long despite being the all round complete player was the wcup.After Messi's wcup triumph he buried that debate.Plus let's be honest here,this Napoli story thing is an overrated fairy tale story.The reality is Maradona is greatly considered an all time great hugely coz of his insane godly performance at the 86 Wcup. Otherwise he would not be in this debate were it not for his memorable wcup moments.Him lifting Napoli to that success would have meant nothing without his wcup n nobody would even be talking about it.What Maradona did in 86 is what Messi has been doing consistently week in week out,year in,year out for over 15 yrs playing at that consistent level which is crazy and why he is considered by many as the undisputed GOAT.Maradona was never that consistent n his longevity is nowhere any close to Messi's.Thats why he has very poor stats compared to the insane stats Messi has.Yes,his lack of consistency n longevity to do it for soo long coz he also lacked the discipline to do so.Therefore it has nothing to do with Messi having it easy like I have seen some clowns propagate in this comments sections, otherwise many other great players should have achieved the same stats n achievements he's had.Only Cr7 comes close to emulating what Messi has achieved even though the latter one is much more talented n complete than the former.So it's basically Messi's consistency, longevity n discipline that makes him have an edge over Maradona,n the stats, records,accolades n trophies won are there to back that fact.Messi is the GOAT, period.
People who says Maradona is better does not know football. AT ALL!. Messi's world cup career alone is FAR better than Maradona. Maradona can't even get Argentina to world cup final more than once(Twice if you count 1990 but read again what I wrote I say he got carried so he didn't 🤭). And the one time he made it to final was because of his impeccable team. Granted he is a Legend and his performance speak for itself. But he had amazing team with him. Messi almost won World cup with FAT Higuain. That alone was a miracle 😂. Four appearance by Maradona, 3 FLOP appearance by Maradona. Messi has 0 flops in 4 appearance. Messi even has under 20 world cup title which Maradona is dreaming just like Penaldo and Pele 🤣
Yes and people act like 1986 Argentina is a weak team is a joke for me. Their squad is extremely high quality. Players like Nestor Clausen, Ricardo Giusti and Ricardo Bochini were the pillars of Independiente who won the Copa Libertadores 1984 and then defeated Liverpool in the Intercontinental Cup.
Two midfielders Sergio Batista and Claudio Borghi are the key players of Argentinos Juniors, when this club won the Argentine championship for two consecutive years (1984, 1985), besides the Copa Libertadores title in 1985.
Enrique, Nery Pumpido and Oscar Ruggeri and River Plate won the Copa Libertadores in 1986, just a few months after the tournament in Mexico.
Jorge Valdano played for Real Madrid and won the La Liga 1985-1986 BEST foreign player.
It can be said that Argentina football clubs dominated South America in those years with a pool of talents playing domestically and in Europe.
You realize that he got them to 2 finals, do you?
@@Tackleseb LOL are you talking about 1990? Where was Maradona? If Maradona didn't play 1990 world cup Argentina would have won. Argentina were that Good. Unlike Messi where Argentina 100% rely on him. Literally. If messi did not comeback to National Argentina WILL NOT have qualified for World Cup. The stats speak for it self. Messi is among the top Goal scorer with the highest assist in World Cup history in 4 World Cup same as Maradona. Only blind cuckolds thinks Maradona was better.
Very ironic that you just exposed yourself as someone who doesn't know about football in terms of it's history. Maradona's World Cup career is better than Messi's, in fact, if it were not for Messi finally winning it at the very end, this shouldn't even be close to a debate. Messi has a horrible track record of letting the pressure get to him and underperforming in the WC as it goes on longer
@@ThiênPhúcHuỳnh-v6l They weren't a weak team, but they were hardly favorites, and were nowhere near close to being a title winning team until you add Maradona to it.
They nearly didn't qualify for the 86 WC itself, it took Maradona being called out of exile to improve their dismal qualification campaign.
They were a solid squad, but weren't world beaters, the closest to a World class player that you could mention was Valdano, since he played for Madrid, but Valdano scored a whopping 7 goals in 23 apps for Argentina, 4 of those happening at the 86 WC, with Maradona being a factor in almost every single one of them
well Maradona plays back when defender can butcher the attacker's leg
Don't argue he is better he is better just ENJOY THE GAME MAN
Could you do thid vid again but Ronaldo against Pele and Maradona
Can you make a video about Pele? He's being disrespeted a lot and a major part of his career is tossed aside because it was "unofficial games".
I think he's undoubtedly in the top 2 greatest players of all time
The reason they dont count is that they were games he played while in the military service against average players, or against semi-pro teams that didnt even get paid enough and were composed of the plumber, and schoolteacher of the neighborhood. Pele trained every day many of his adversaries didn't. of course hes going to have an advantage against them, shouldnt that be taken into consideration?
Maradonna not winning ballon d’or should not be held against him since he was not eligible to win it as a non-European at that time.
@@musicotensai aswell as ucl wins. In Maradonas time only the country Champions could participate at the Former ucl. But Maradona won the uefa cup which was way harder to win since all 2nd-4th rated teams like Milan, inter, Juventus, Bayern, barca or Real played there.
With the old rules if barca wouldnt be able to play the ucl because they got 2nd or 3rd then messi would have at least 2 ucl trophies less
But it’s not held against him lmao.
That’s the crazy part about this ridiculous debate.
Maradona, being way less accomplished (and by a wide margin vs Messi) is still considered the GOAT. That’s how good he was! But to say Messi is nowhere close is criminal. It’s plain hate at this point 😂
Even Hugo Sanchez was the best player in the world at a time but not recognized as he’s not from Europe
9:53 he couldn't win a ballon d'or because it wasn't an award given to non European. As They didn't believe there were better players outside of europe
Er no, it's a French award, but yes, it wasn't given to non-Europeans until 1995
He is spitting facts
Messi is a machine, Maradona is god
Diego could do what Messi does now (lighter balls, carpet pitches and the defenders not trying to break his legs? COME ON!) but could Messi have done what Diego did back then? would Messi even have had a full career like his does now if he played in Diegos era? Imo FUCK NO! but we will never truely know
You answered your own question. A lot of “what ifs” which is why it’s pointless to debate. But let’s not pretend that Messi was never tackled or hit hard af… Anyone denying this is a straight hater, and this is coming from a hard core Maradona fan
I'm saying fukkr no !
Ronaldo 🇵🇹🐐
"Diego Maradona in World Cup 86 is the Highest level a player has ever had - Unstoppable" . Find this video on TH-cam and watch The God of Football. Yes, Messi was consistent throughout his career, but watch these seven games and determine for yourself whether he was anywhere near to that level. Even if he was using drugs, which he was, this was still the greatest performance by any player in football history.
No, the greatest Performance was Messi in 2012. no one was ever better than Messi that year.
@@sabesabes12345impressive year but also played a lot of games against crap teams to score.
@musicotensai so maradona didn't play against any shit teams? Using 7 games to determine the greatest ever is like saying mbappe is 1 of the greatest ever because of what he did with france at 18 in the World Cup.
@@TheOutlierToday Messi is the finest player I've ever seen; I admire his style of play, his teamwork, and his dribbling; only Maradona can compare to him. However, one aspect of Messi is constantly overlooked. He played all of his life in Spain, where he was free to do anything he pleased. Do you believe he'd be a player in the Premier League? Or even in Italy? Do you think they would allow him to play like that? I disagree. Maradona was willing to die for his squad at the World Cup. I've never seen Messi sacrifice his life for a team like that.
@@TheOutlierToday you are supposing I was saying 7 games determines that, not me. I merely point out that 2012 has a large sample size of games where conmebol, friendlies and la liga had a bunch of crap teams. Only trophy he had was copa del rey iirc.
Yes,messi is better than maradonna and cristiano ronaldo is better than them both.👍🏼
Messi more clinical MARADONA more skillful
I'm not kidding when I say Maradona is in the Neymar conversations. And that's not even bad because Neymar is really underrated and he's top 10 for me
Neymar is the second best player of our generation after messi❤
@@user-dj7xq1qh9e Imo the second one is Ronaldo, but he's third by really really REALLYYY far, no one else comes close
@orei1958 since yoi said really really REALLY FAR.. so you are saying in terms of ability neymar as a player is far far far away from someome like cristiano?
Waiting for you answer
@@orei1958 👆
@@user-dj7xq1qh9e I said there's a really high difference between Neymar and the others from the MessiNaldo generation that aren't Messi or Ronaldo. Neymar is absolutely clear of anyone not called Messi or Cristiano in the generation he played in
Do not undermine Iniesta that way.Iniesta could easily be arguably the greatest midfielder ever n the greatest of his generation alongside Xavi.He even had a better career than Zidane n the only thing Zizzou has over him was the balondor.U cannot blame Iniesta fr that coz he was playing at a time when it was literally impossible to win the balondor ahead of prime Messi n Cr7 era, otherwise he would be having at least 2balondors were it not for those two.Iniesta was a genius n such a joy to watch with his excellent ball control n manoeuvring in tight spaces, dribbling n technical awareness.
Eye test is biased
Yall glazing messi like crazy hahaha bunch of 🤡🤡, we all know who the best ever is. SUI!
wtf 😂 “Sui?”
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