Dolores O'Riordan said specifically that she wrote this song after The Cranberries 1993 English tour....during which The IRA planted 2 bombs in Warrington which resulted in the deaths of 2 young boys.....She wrote the song back home in Limerick after seeing on TV the devastation caused to one of the mothers of the boys.....and a quote taken from the BBC reads......The singer was particularly offended that terrorists claimed to have carried out these acts in the name of Ireland."The IRA are not me. I'm not the IRA," she said. "The Cranberries are not the IRA. My family are not. "When it says in the song, 'It's not me, it's not my family,' that's what I'm saying. It's not Ireland, it's some idiots living in the past."...... ...RIP lovely Dolores who passed away earlier this year........If you get the chance...please listen to her true experience of a young teenage girls angst about her relationship with a boy in The Cranberries classic song "Linger." Luv ya channel guys.
The only reason of those attacks was because of English oppression on the Irish nation, Irish people have endured alot like being shot for being Irish in ur own country, as far as to call them idiots they really had a cause ,when the violence was brought to their land it was unacceptable , what else did they expect
@@rover2899 I don't know where you have gotten your information from but its totally incorrect. People were not shot just for being Irish that's bullshit. I should know I'm from Northern Ireland and I like most normal people from here are sick of the fake propaganda that was and still is put out by Sinn Fien/IRA. Over 3600 innocent people men women and children were murdered by the IRA and thousands more were injured during 30 years of the troubles and the senseless violence is still going on. Just recently the IRA exploded a car bomb in the city of Derry on the 21st of January. Fortunately no one was killed or hurt. You should research your facts before publishing false information.
@@rover2899 lol oh I can go back further than 200 years. How about the Genocide committed by the Jacobites under King James in the 1680s. They chopped off the heads of Protestants and posted them on stakes as a warning to other Protestants, change your religion or die! They basically were the ISIS of that time, if you didn't agree with there form of religion then they slaughtered you children included. Did you also know that 9000 years ago the island that makes up Ireland/Northern Ireland was uninhabited. Our stone age ancestors came over from what is now Britain while there was still a land bridge joining them. So our ancestors were all immigrants from the mainland! This land, this planet belongs to no one, we are just the current inhabitants so why can't we all just get along? If you ask me all religion should be abolished its the cause of most wars.
Her singing is an Irish style is called "keening" it expresses deep sadness. I've heard it called Irish yodeling which leaves out the ever so important emotional intent.
In Portugal we have a similiar style called Fado, fado is a form of music characterized by mournful tunes and lyrics, often about the sea or the life of the poor, and infused with a sentiment of resignation, fate and melancholia
In essence it is the same as yodeling though. So it makes sense. As a quick description "irish yodeling" is better than "irish yodeling thats really emotional" ive heard sad yodeling in america too. Some of my saddest freinds are yodelers ill have you know.
The troubles were a series of religiously and politically motivated conflicts in Ireland and Northern Ireland spanning ~30 years (late 60s - '98). The sides of the conflict were the Irish Republican paramilitary groups (predominantly the IRA), and the Ulster Loyalist groups (predominantly UVF, UDA) - The sides were also commonly reduced to Catholics and Protestants respectively. The British security forces were also deployed to try to dispel the violence. My parents grew up in this. Their local city and surrounding towns turned to a war zone at times. Frequent car bombings, shootings and escalating series of retaliation attacks. Blatant acts of terrorism from both sides, spanning 3 decades. Thousands were killed, the majority being civilians. I was born in '97, the year before the Good Friday agreement was created, effectively putting an end to the violence. Prisoners from both sides were released under this agreement. I've seen my country slowly try to heal its wounds. There is still conflict between Catholics and Protestants, but nowhere near the scale seen during the Troubles. I grew up in a world where the church your parents went to would be the deciding factor on whether or not some kids would beat this shit out of you. Kids raised by hate-mongering parents stuck in the past - Parents who likely don't know the religious differences between Catholicism and Protestantism. Organisations like the IRA, UDA, UVF still live on, although mostly just in name now that the violence has subsided. Bomb scares, threats of violence and the occasional murder or beating still occur occasionally. My uncle and father are both Prison officers nowadays. The police and prison services are largely disliked by what is left of those paramilitary organisations, and threats will be issued. A number of years ago a threat was issued, naming my uncle and giving his address. Police were stationed outside his home and he arrived to our family christmas dinner with kevlar and a handgun (not something a civilian can carry). The whole concept of it disgusts me. I'm disgusted by those I know personally, and those I see in the news who are attempting to keep that conflict alive. I'm amazed at how my parents and older family grew up with that being their "normal", and rarely speak of what it was actually like growing up in that environment. Rough times, and this song does a good job of capturing the horror of the conflict.
I grew up in it. It's much, much, much better now than it used to be. I can't explain how much better it is now (of course it's not perfect but...). The Troubles was the latest conflict in Ireland, I'm sure you are aware that fighting goes back hundreds of years to varying degrees, maybe it's always been like that. It's hard to convey what it was like, you had to live it to feel it but there was a real threat that at anytime you went out or to a certain area that you could be caught in a bomb or get shot but you had to keep going on with your life. Go to school, work, whatever you had to do. That hung over you all the time, you get used to it though. I remember being either scared or nervous excitement a lot of the time. It was a very, very violent place. I was three when I first seen someone who had been shot. Seen and heard a lot of bombs going off. A friend was murdered. A couple were kneecapped, loads of fights. Helicopters hovering so low over your house that the house shook. Checkpoints everywhere. Joy riders being chased by police. A friends dad was murdered by the IRA at a Christening (he was a Catholic prison officer). I consider myself lucky. So many things happened but it does kind of become normal even though it's far from what might be considered normal. Count yourself lucky you weren't born earlier. P.s. some people won't talk about it because they either want to forget it or it brings back bad memories.
Brad Pit was the anti hero in a movie made about IRA terrorist. Harrison ford was the police officer n also the one who first take care of Brad Pit. I love that film so much.
Zombie was a protestsong written about the 1993 IRA bombing in Warrington, and in memory of two young victims. Katholics and Protestants are/where high against eachother assassinating and placing bombs in public places during the early 1900's to the 2000's in Northern Ireland
Yes man. She sang that song for the person who she met once in a pub and immediately fell in love. Btw I like that song too and I think she deserved Grammy once in her life time 😥😥😔
I was a junior in Highschool when this came out. I was a metal head and it was forbidden to like this kinda thing, but I secretly loved the Cranberries... RIP Delores. I was on vacation when she passed standing on the breach of Newport Oregon in a windstorm with crushing waves on the beach, I blasted this song loudly to the grey skies!
I was in middle school too, or possibly a freshman at the time. I was lucky enough to be in a small town where my group of friends were liking and discovering all sorts of guitar driven rock. There was no hate between metal, grunge, punk, industrial, and alternative rock as long as it was good. Never understood pigeon holing oneself into one genre of music. Music is universal. Like what you like and screw the elitists.
@@bosschono5610 same here. Small town in Bumfuck Alabama. We listened to anything and everything that was good.. and some that wasnt.(ICP comes to mind) . But The Cranberries were always a big deal down here.
Growing up...when I was 9, in 78, Had a child come to the US for the summer, thru a program that allowed kids to escape the TROUBLES of Northern Ireland. Tony was same age as me. But auch older soul than I, The things he just took as a normal part of life.... military in neighborhood, bombings, friends parents going missing other dying. I hope he looks back occasionally and maybe not think of me or my mom and dad, but a sliver of a normal childhood, however brief it was....and smiles.
The Zombie is the paramilitary nationalists on both sides who are making decisions to fight a civil war because of the view of Irish history they had in their heads, which conflicted with the actual individuals and families around themselves, who weren't those dead heroes of whichever side the paramilitaries were dedicating these violent actions to. So they are zombies because their heads are ruled by dead people, and they can't see the real living people around them who don't deserve to be killed or wounded. So that's the importance of the question "what's in your head, zombie?" 1916 refers back to the Easter Rising, which ended with shelling and tanks re-taking Dublin's post office and the other buildings the rebels had occupied, who then became martyrs because so many of them were executed by the British authorities under the circumstances of WW1 going on at the time. At the time, in that moment, it seemed to me that Dolores was speaking directly to the Provisional IRA command, as well as the Real IRA and other continuity organisations resisting the pressure to maintain the cease fire while peace talks were being arranged, and in such a brave way, because for any Irish or British artist to speak so directly about the Troubles, condemning either or both sides just a few months earlier, could have incurred kidnapping or assassination, which is why it didn't happen before, except for "It's Gonna Happen" by the Undertones, which was completely circumspect, although everyone knew what they were talking about, which was the provisional IRA prisoners dying on hunger strikes demanding to be treated as prisoners of war. And here was the Cranberries, using their MTV power, and this loud, metallic sound to tell the paramilitaries they should stop listening to the ghosts of dead heroes in their heads, and start paying attention to the living who wanted peace and deserved to be able to live in safety. "The violence causes silence" means both the omerta effect of terrorism on the communities it comes from, that you can't speak out about any of this stuff happening because you don't want the paramilitaries to decide you're their enemy, as well as violence causing the silence of death.
They were condemning the IRA with the line "it's not me, it's not my family." She's saying that she and her family (Ireland) are not the IRA, despite the IRA claiming to be fighting for Ireland.
Yes, and the line The same old theme since 1916 is a reference to the 1916 Easter Rebellion, the event that would spark the rebellion of the IRA in the first place.
@@brinmoody and the Zombies are those who won't let the hate go. Who's minds are still filled with vengeance and retribution so much so that it's controlling every waking moment.
as an irish man who does not condone the acts of the IRA i must emphatically state that the IRA were NOT "terrorists" - in its original form in the late 19th century through the early-mid 20th century the "Irish Republican Brotherhood" later known as the Irish Republican Army (IRA) were "FREEDOM FIGHTERS" a "PARA-MILITARY" force labelled as "terrorists" by the British - the British called them terrorists despite the littel fact that they were "fighting a foreign invader who had oppressed its people for centuries" - now granted there were rogue acts of violence carried out on british soil where innocent people were killed and it is THEM acts i condemn but the IRA in its purest form was NOT terrorism. by that logic EVERY single people/para-military force defending its own land and people would be "terrorists" - THINK about it...
this fact was stated about 11 or twelve minutes within this video miles but as the bad wolves cover of this song showed that unfortunately this song is something that carries so much weight that other nations now are suffering similar situations in places all over the world now that still keeps this epic song still have so much relevance today
Karl Fleming yeah they Warrington bombs in particular in 1993. Still crazy that it happened and the Manchester one a few years later. Such a powerful song all these years on still brilliant
"Zombie" is a protest song by Irish alternative rock band the Cranberries, written in memory of the two young victims who were killed in the 1993 Warrington bombings. Dolores O'Riordan was on tour at the time. RIP Dolores.
This band meant so much to me in my teens, I'm 37. I'm not ashamed to say that I went on a bit of a Cranberries binge the other night and found myself getting so emotional because of Dolores' passing. Thanks for doing this one. My favorite is Ode to My Family. Their whole No Need To Argue album is quite spectacular
Dolores, Sinead, I LOVE the Irish ladies and their furry voices. I remember listening to "Ireland" by Marianne Faithfull and after the chorus 'Ireland, Ireland, when will you be free?', my sister looked up from reading and said 'When the last Pope dies'. Of course, dad was an Evangelical Atheist.
I really despised this song big time when it originally came out. I was a teenager and all I wanted to listen to was Heavy Metal music. I heard this song again in my early 20's and I fell in love with it big time. It is one of the most unique songs that I have ever heard. It is Dolores had an amazing voice!! May she Rest In Peace.
They're Irish and they're singing about the Northern Irish conflict called "The Troubles".. one incident in particular that took the lives of children.
The kids fighting represents them learning bad things from others and the cycle will continue as the young learn from those around them I've heard that the cranberries were inspired to sing about the issues in Ireland especially after the deaths of two children in a bomb explosion
I live in Ireland and also in the county where The Cranberries are from. I love this country, I´m mexican, my husband is irish, and as mexican i understand the pain and destruction that being marginalized can cause. Ireland is a country that has been robbed, starved to death and abused. Just like my own homeland, just because some other bigger "more powerful" countries decided that they have the right to abuse smaller countries, and a lot of times creating conflict between the same countrymen is the game they play to win it all. Dolores and company were such a powerful voice, when i heard this song for the first time in late 90's i was a teenager not knowing what it meant really, i even played this with my band but it was until i got married that i understood the importance of this song for Ireland and its people.
I watched this in July 2020. Thank you for this. You were speaking the truth back in 2018. Your thoughtful words are inspirational. We’ve both come a long way and regressed. Thanks for this video.
The best parts of this song are the way Dolores sings these parts: "But you see" (it's not me, it's not my family)-> Desperation in denial. And the nonverbal part just before it cuts to music: "AAAaaaAAhhh-ooooh" -> it's not beautiful, it's reminiscent of the agonizing sounds people make when someone precious is horribly taken....which makes it powerful.
It is about the troubles in Northern Ireland. Some people in Northern Ireland wanted to join Eire and be one whole Ireland, some people wanted to stay part of Britain. There's a religious element of Catholics against protestants, some people in the 80s and early 90s found religion a good enough reason. In Northern Ireland there was a Catholic areas and protestant areas, the army used to have to have blockades so they both won't mix. The kids are taught from their parents and their religion . I'm glad it has changed a bit now. Xx
I agree with Vin, I'm glad I didn't know what this song was about as a kid. It was on the radio all the time in the 90s. It would have messed me up. I appreciate it now though. She really sings her heart out.
I love how you guys really went deep into discussion about the meaning after listening to the song and how this applies to society today instead of just saying “that was a cool song” or “I liked her voice.” That was awesome, and I’m sure Dolores would have been so happy to see this. RIP.
War will only end when people love their children more than they hate the stranger. Try U2's "Sunday Bloody Sunday" or The Chieftains'/Sinead O'Connors' "The Foggy Dew".
These are the scenes of my youth - I grew up and still live in N. Ireland. The army was everywhere, machine guns were a non-remarkable thing cos they were an every day sight. Bombs and bomb scares were our 'normal' life.....our so-called 'peace' is still very fragile. Thank you for reacting to this, and R.I.P. Delores for giving us this song💔....it is part of our history and 'The Troubles'. It's message is overwhelming powerful.
This song is so powerful because of the universal message. I and so many others have family affected by the war she protests specifically in this song, but that is not the limit of the message. All war is folly. All death is wasteful. All humanity should think before hating. I must add as an edit: your understanding of the Troubles Vin is exceptional for someone non-British or Irish. So many people don't understand the hell it really was, especially in the context of where it was happening. So much is said about unrest in other states at the same time - but this was happening in the UK, in one of the top 5 stable economies. Open civil guerrilla war.
I have a general supportive nature towards Irish Republicanism but I feel this song is so important because to me it humanises both sides of the conflict. Because in things like this it's not good vs. evil there are good and bad on both sides and due to things like how we are taught the suffragettes vs the suffragists we are brought up on the idea that non violent protests are totally ineffectual. That's not even necessarily untrue but it feeds this understanding that to achieve your goal violence is necessary. It's a horrible subject to approach and really epitomises why one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. It's horrible and difficult and back to the troubles both sides were responsible for incredible (in a bad way) atrocities. I don't even know what the point of this post is anymore other than conflict brings out the worst in humanity even if the original intentions were good ones and for some reason the innocent are always the ones that suffer the most. It's shit and I don't know what the answer is.
I recently had a surreal conversation with a friend of mine trying to explain the Troubles and explain how alot of the money and weapons used to fight the conflict came from the new world in the USA and Canada and how the conflict was partly fueled by the ex pat community that has not been in the old country for generations pouring fuel on the fire out of some fucked up sense of national loyalty on both sides and how they helped fuel a war they did not have to suffer any consequences from. It is also kind of screwed up that if my mother and father's families had stayed in the old country they likely would have been shooting at each other. And now depending on how brexit falls out there are people talking about kicking things off again.
One of the best discussions and reflections about this song. It's amazing. There is a lot of rich symbolism and meaning to the video and to the song. Thank you for really delving deep. You brought up things I had forgotten like the meaning of the cross in the video. Indeed the strife the singer is depicting is the conflict between the Catholics (IRA) and the Protestants(Unionist/Loyalist). They're fighting over the meaning of the cross and killing the children. Woah. Anyway, wonderful reaction.
You said terrorist organisation, I'm not having a pop but it's the same as America wanting independence from Britain, that's what the IRA were fighting for, an independent Ireland. Love your reactions 👍👍
I'm surprised (and slightly appalled) at the number of US youtubers reacting to this song who seem to have never heard of the Troubles. This shit was _recent_ it only officially ended around the time I was born and I'm young
I'm American and I agree. I knew about it in the 90s when this amazing song first released, SPECIFICALLY because of this song. Unfortunately, Americans are so self absorbed into thinking we're the only country that matters. We definitely have issues.
Gonna comment as you say stuff - you say its amazing they sing globally, whilst I am sure it translates, they are singing about he troubles in Ireland , the song is about how generation after generation keeps hating and fighting despite the fact the issues were decades or more old and they were hating like brainless zombies. So it is not so global and more personal than you think
Hi, Obviously, it was personal to Dolores, but the theme of the song is absolutely global. In my country there's zombies from the 16th century (Ottoman conquests, killings, impalings) through 17,18,19 and 20th c., the more recent ones from 1941-1945, and baby zombies from 1991-1995. It will never stop, nowhere in the world, till we all kill each other. Sorry, no future for humankind.
BTW. You two have won me over after watching over a couple of your reaction videos. I just subscribed. I just love how you invest real thoughts and feels of any song that comes your way. Love you guys.
this song makes me cry every time, close to me in Friesland there was a big stashplace for the ira (dutch) this song should be played on every school in the world
to clarify... the 'troubles' were about 800 years of being invaded and murdered by the english and the fact that they didn't want to give up all the land they'd stolen or lose the tithes/taxes they collected off an oppressed nation
covers are always crap attempts to be someone you're not. If you where great and had talent, you'd make your own song, not making a watery lemonade of something truly good.
PLEASEEE :( react to: Dark Tranquility - Lost to apathy or Misery's crown Avantasia - The scarecrow Sonata Arctica - Don't say a word or Black Oceans, White Pearl Sabaton - Primo Victoria And Bathory - Enter the Eternal Fire & The Lake
I hated this song when it came out. I was a metal head. Much later I appreciated it, and now I can’t escape Bad Wolves cover of this which isn’t bad but overplayed.
Damn, as a metal fan I'd say this song is pretty reminiscent of Metal. Musically, it's heavy as fuck in parts. It's got a real deep and emotionally heavy subject. Throw in a male singer with a slightly rough or distorted voice and I'm sure you'd call this metal. I don't think the female vocals changes it much, so I'd call this metal.
Dude, though the song was more rooted in the grunge scene (the sound, particularly) like @Shmick ! said, it still goes well with the doomier and primordial side of metal. Aside from Alternative and Hardcore Punk..Doom, Sludge and Stoner Metal had influenced Grunge a great lot even before its inception (Melvins,anyone?). Yes, I know, when people usually think of Metal, they think of distorted-guitar-shred-and-solo-laden heavy music. Though before it sounded like Maiden and Priest, it sounded like Black Sabbath! I reckon that any competent band that falls under the Doom umbrella is capable of making a good cover out of this song, be they; Trad Doom, Epic Doom, Funeral Doom, Drone Doom (okay,maybe too slow), Gothic Doom, Stoner Doom, Sludge Doom, Death-Doom, Post-Metal, Atmospheric Black , Post-Black, Death Doom, Doomgaze, Prog Doom (Year of No Light/Ahab), Prog Sludge (a la Mastodon),Prog Post-Metal (a la The Ocean), you name it!
@Sam Tho I disagree with you with whole the necessity of tagging music with certain genres thing, I still think that your point doesn't necessarily disqualify mine. I agree with you on that part. Yes, it belongs on that spectrum. My point is to be inclusive, and not be biased or fanatical to a certain genre, and to not outright dismiss or mock other genres. I'd go as far as to say metal came from rock, but that doesn't mean that rock is some weak shit or something like that. Respect is key. Camaraderie is even better.
@Sam then at the core of the issue, we can see eye to eye with each another. Good for you for believing so. I'm just saying tho, there are A LOT of metal fans that are too eager to excommunicate or discriminate their own kin just because they dare to differ themselves from the majority/mainstream group, even for a little. I listed such a long list of genres, not to flex my own knowledge about such things, but a sign of respect for each one of em'. Notice that I included post-metal and post-black metal into the mold. A lot of metal fans just dismiss people who play such music as just metalheads-wannabe-hipsters playing fake indie/gateway metal. & let's not forget how a lot of fans of mainstream metal rag on people who play nu & alternative metal and condemning them a mere poseurs (just because they refuse to play overextended solos, of all things). As long as you're not one of them, then I can't see why we'll have a problem with one another.
She was 22 YEARS OLD when she wrote ZOMBIE people.
AMAZING ARTIST.
We lost a great one's here.
Rip Dolores..
R.I.P
Hopefully the violence she describes never returns to the North of Ireland
Wow! I am 23 now.
Also R.I.P Johnathan Ball and Tim Parry, two children who died because of a bomb and inspired this song.
Indeed....amazing work
Dolores O'Riordan said specifically that she wrote this song after The Cranberries 1993 English tour....during which The IRA planted 2 bombs in Warrington which resulted in the deaths of 2 young boys.....She wrote the song back home in Limerick after seeing on TV the devastation caused to one of the mothers of the boys.....and a quote taken from the BBC reads......The singer was particularly offended that terrorists claimed to have carried out these acts in the name of Ireland."The IRA are not me. I'm not the IRA," she said. "The Cranberries are not the IRA. My family are not. "When it says in the song, 'It's not me, it's not my family,' that's what I'm saying. It's not Ireland, it's some idiots living in the past."...... ...RIP lovely Dolores who passed away earlier this year........If you get the chance...please listen to her true experience of a young teenage girls angst about her relationship with a boy in The Cranberries classic song "Linger." Luv ya channel guys.
The only reason of those attacks was because of English oppression on the Irish nation, Irish people have endured alot like being shot for being Irish in ur own country, as far as to call them idiots they really had a cause ,when the violence was brought to their land it was unacceptable , what else did they expect
@@rover2899 I don't know where you have gotten your information from but its totally incorrect. People were not shot just for being Irish that's bullshit. I should know I'm from Northern Ireland and I like most normal people from here are sick of the fake propaganda that was and still is put out by Sinn Fien/IRA. Over 3600 innocent people men women and children were murdered by the IRA and thousands more were injured during 30 years of the troubles and the senseless violence is still going on. Just recently the IRA exploded a car bomb in the city of Derry on the 21st of January. Fortunately no one was killed or hurt. You should research your facts before publishing false information.
@@darrenmcaleese1428 read ur history from 1800 onwards of the Island ur from, I'm Irish too
@@rover2899 lol oh I can go back further than 200 years. How about the Genocide committed by the Jacobites under King James in the 1680s. They chopped off the heads of Protestants and posted them on stakes as a warning to other Protestants, change your religion or die! They basically were the ISIS of that time, if you didn't agree with there form of religion then they slaughtered you children included. Did you also know that 9000 years ago the island that makes up Ireland/Northern Ireland was uninhabited. Our stone age ancestors came over from what is now Britain while there was still a land bridge joining them. So our ancestors were all immigrants from the mainland! This land, this planet belongs to no one, we are just the current inhabitants so why can't we all just get along? If you ask me all religion should be abolished its the cause of most wars.
@@darrenmcaleese1428 then u know what I said was true then
RIP Dolores
Indeed.
Her voice never fails to move me
@@FinneousPJ1 something special indeed. Her voice just wow.
I miss her
LOVE
Oh no, I didn't know she passed. Damn..rip love
Her singing is an Irish style is called "keening" it expresses deep sadness. I've heard it called Irish yodeling which leaves out the ever so important emotional intent.
In Portugal we have a similiar style called Fado, fado is a form of music characterized by mournful tunes and lyrics, often about the sea or the life of the poor, and infused with a sentiment of resignation, fate and melancholia
In essence it is the same as yodeling though. So it makes sense. As a quick description "irish yodeling" is better than "irish yodeling thats really emotional" ive heard sad yodeling in america too. Some of my saddest freinds are yodelers ill have you know.
This is how I imagine a banshee howl really.
Poignant seeing that her name literally translates to sorrow.
Right , my friend
I knew Sori would love this one. Dolores's voice was one of a kind.
Yeah, honestly my favorite female singer ever. Just love her voice.
Shakira in her early records used to sound like her alot.
@@valamolamb a cheap copy
Grace and powerful....
The troubles were a series of religiously and politically motivated conflicts in Ireland and Northern Ireland spanning ~30 years (late 60s - '98).
The sides of the conflict were the Irish Republican paramilitary groups (predominantly the IRA), and the Ulster Loyalist groups (predominantly UVF, UDA) - The sides were also commonly reduced to Catholics and Protestants respectively. The British security forces were also deployed to try to dispel the violence.
My parents grew up in this. Their local city and surrounding towns turned to a war zone at times. Frequent car bombings, shootings and escalating series of retaliation attacks. Blatant acts of terrorism from both sides, spanning 3 decades. Thousands were killed, the majority being civilians.
I was born in '97, the year before the Good Friday agreement was created, effectively putting an end to the violence. Prisoners from both sides were released under this agreement.
I've seen my country slowly try to heal its wounds. There is still conflict between Catholics and Protestants, but nowhere near the scale seen during the Troubles. I grew up in a world where the church your parents went to would be the deciding factor on whether or not some kids would beat this shit out of you. Kids raised by hate-mongering parents stuck in the past - Parents who likely don't know the religious differences between Catholicism and Protestantism. Organisations like the IRA, UDA, UVF still live on, although mostly just in name now that the violence has subsided. Bomb scares, threats of violence and the occasional murder or beating still occur occasionally.
My uncle and father are both Prison officers nowadays. The police and prison services are largely disliked by what is left of those paramilitary organisations, and threats will be issued. A number of years ago a threat was issued, naming my uncle and giving his address. Police were stationed outside his home and he arrived to our family christmas dinner with kevlar and a handgun (not something a civilian can carry).
The whole concept of it disgusts me. I'm disgusted by those I know personally, and those I see in the news who are attempting to keep that conflict alive. I'm amazed at how my parents and older family grew up with that being their "normal", and rarely speak of what it was actually like growing up in that environment.
Rough times, and this song does a good job of capturing the horror of the conflict.
Best and most balanced comment here, sad it’s not got more notice. Thanks
I grew up in it. It's much, much, much better now than it used to be. I can't explain how much better it is now (of course it's not perfect but...). The Troubles was the latest conflict in Ireland, I'm sure you are aware that fighting goes back hundreds of years to varying degrees, maybe it's always been like that.
It's hard to convey what it was like, you had to live it to feel it but there was a real threat that at anytime you went out or to a certain area that you could be caught in a bomb or get shot but you had to keep going on with your life. Go to school, work, whatever you had to do. That hung over you all the time, you get used to it though. I remember being either scared or nervous excitement a lot of the time.
It was a very, very violent place. I was three when I first seen someone who had been shot. Seen and heard a lot of bombs going off. A friend was murdered. A couple were kneecapped, loads of fights. Helicopters hovering so low over your house that the house shook. Checkpoints everywhere. Joy riders being chased by police.
A friends dad was murdered by the IRA at a Christening (he was a Catholic prison officer). I consider myself lucky. So many things happened but it does kind of become normal even though it's far from what might be considered normal.
Count yourself lucky you weren't born earlier.
P.s. some people won't talk about it because they either want to forget it or it brings back bad memories.
Actually it goes back to the Reformation when the Irish wouldn't convert to the church of England
Says somebody born in 97
Brad Pit was the anti hero in a movie made about IRA terrorist. Harrison ford was the police officer n also the one who first take care of Brad Pit. I love that film so much.
There’s so many songs by the Cranberries but this one always resonates with the majority of us Irish people. Not in my name! RIP Dolores. Grá Mór 🇮🇪
Zombie was a protestsong written about the 1993 IRA bombing in Warrington, and in memory of two young victims. Katholics and Protestants are/where high against eachother assassinating and placing bombs in public places during the early 1900's to the 2000's in Northern Ireland
Since she isn’t among us anymore can you react to linger by her . I like that song so much 🙁😢
Yes man. She sang that song for the person who she met once in a pub and immediately fell in love. Btw I like that song too and I think she deserved Grammy once in her life time 😥😥😔
The entire album everyone else is doing it, is a great album. No bad songs on it
Ive not been able to listen to it since she died . I also lost a beloved family member recently and that song reminds me of that fam member.
Please!!
One of my top 5 favorite songs from them...😟
I was a junior in Highschool when this came out. I was a metal head and it was forbidden to like this kinda thing, but I secretly loved the Cranberries... RIP Delores. I was on vacation when she passed standing on the breach of Newport Oregon in a windstorm with crushing waves on the beach, I blasted this song loudly to the grey skies!
I was in middle school too, or possibly a freshman at the time. I was lucky enough to be in a small town where my group of friends were liking and discovering all sorts of guitar driven rock. There was no hate between metal, grunge, punk, industrial, and alternative rock as long as it was good. Never understood pigeon holing oneself into one genre of music. Music is universal. Like what you like and screw the elitists.
@@bosschono5610 same here. Small town in Bumfuck Alabama. We listened to anything and everything that was good.. and some that wasnt.(ICP comes to mind) . But The Cranberries were always a big deal down here.
@@matthewsmith4647 from Detroit n icp sucks. Like really sucks. Did I mention they sucked.
I blasted it was well...sang the song...Ireland.
I was in high school and a punk rocker but same rules still applied.
Growing up...when I was 9, in 78, Had a child come to the US for the summer, thru a program that allowed kids to escape the TROUBLES of Northern Ireland.
Tony was same age as me. But auch older soul than I, The things he just took as a normal part of life.... military in neighborhood, bombings, friends parents going missing other dying.
I hope he looks back occasionally and maybe not think of me or my mom and dad, but a sliver of a normal childhood, however brief it was....and smiles.
The Zombie is the paramilitary nationalists on both sides who are making decisions to fight a civil war because of the view of Irish history they had in their heads, which conflicted with the actual individuals and families around themselves, who weren't those dead heroes of whichever side the paramilitaries were dedicating these violent actions to. So they are zombies because their heads are ruled by dead people, and they can't see the real living people around them who don't deserve to be killed or wounded. So that's the importance of the question "what's in your head, zombie?" 1916 refers back to the Easter Rising, which ended with shelling and tanks re-taking Dublin's post office and the other buildings the rebels had occupied, who then became martyrs because so many of them were executed by the British authorities under the circumstances of WW1 going on at the time.
At the time, in that moment, it seemed to me that Dolores was speaking directly to the Provisional IRA command, as well as the Real IRA and other continuity organisations resisting the pressure to maintain the cease fire while peace talks were being arranged, and in such a brave way, because for any Irish or British artist to speak so directly about the Troubles, condemning either or both sides just a few months earlier, could have incurred kidnapping or assassination, which is why it didn't happen before, except for "It's Gonna Happen" by the Undertones, which was completely circumspect, although everyone knew what they were talking about, which was the provisional IRA prisoners dying on hunger strikes demanding to be treated as prisoners of war. And here was the Cranberries, using their MTV power, and this loud, metallic sound to tell the paramilitaries they should stop listening to the ghosts of dead heroes in their heads, and start paying attention to the living who wanted peace and deserved to be able to live in safety.
"The violence causes silence" means both the omerta effect of terrorism on the communities it comes from, that you can't speak out about any of this stuff happening because you don't want the paramilitaries to decide you're their enemy, as well as violence causing the silence of death.
The boys "playing war" reminds me so much of the world in general. They were just emulating what they saw. Babies aren't born hating other babies.
They were condemning the IRA with the line "it's not me, it's not my family." She's saying that she and her family (Ireland) are not the IRA, despite the IRA claiming to be fighting for Ireland.
Thank you Miles
Yes, and the line The same old theme since 1916 is a reference to the 1916 Easter Rebellion, the event that would spark the rebellion of the IRA in the first place.
@@brinmoody and the Zombies are those who won't let the hate go. Who's minds are still filled with vengeance and retribution so much so that it's controlling every waking moment.
as an irish man who does not condone the acts of the IRA i must emphatically state that the IRA were NOT "terrorists" - in its original form in the late 19th century through the early-mid 20th century the "Irish Republican Brotherhood" later known as the Irish Republican Army (IRA) were "FREEDOM FIGHTERS" a "PARA-MILITARY" force labelled as "terrorists" by the British - the British called them terrorists despite the littel fact that they were "fighting a foreign invader who had oppressed its people for centuries" - now granted there were rogue acts of violence carried out on british soil where innocent people were killed and it is THEM acts i condemn but the IRA in its purest form was NOT terrorism. by that logic EVERY single people/para-military force defending its own land and people would be "terrorists" - THINK about it...
this fact was stated about 11 or twelve minutes within this video miles but as the bad wolves cover of this song showed that unfortunately this song is something that carries so much weight that other nations now are suffering similar situations in places all over the world now that still keeps this epic song still have so much relevance today
to the victims of the northern-ireland conflict
This song is about the troubles in Belfast and the rest of Northern Ireland where I live
More specifically against the IRA bombing in western England that killed two boys, but yes, about the victims of the conflict in general
Karl Fleming yeah they Warrington bombs in particular in 1993. Still crazy that it happened and the Manchester one a few years later. Such a powerful song all these years on still brilliant
RIP Dolores O'Riordan 1971 - 2018
I'm a metalhead through and through but I dig stuff like the cranberries Delores was special rest in peace beautiful lady
Same here man. I'm metal too but you can't help to like and respect music when it's this good.
@@jasonhitchcock8911 thought this was metal or something lol I know it's not that heavy
Same, I’m a death metal guy, but damn that voice…
“It was kind of a continuation of the Braveheart thing” kill me now -_-
Bit of a facepalm moment there
I like he stop eating cause I looked bad, but Ireland is one thing and Scotland is other place!!!!
That was bad
"Zombie" is a protest song by Irish alternative rock band the Cranberries, written in memory of the two young victims who were killed in the 1993 Warrington bombings. Dolores O'Riordan was on tour at the time. RIP Dolores.
Being Irish living in Ireland , one of the truly unique Irish voices. Gone but never forgotten . R.I.P. Delores.
Another good anti-war song from the Irish is The Green Fields of France. I like the version that Dropkick Murphys made.
This band meant so much to me in my teens, I'm 37. I'm not ashamed to say that I went on a bit of a Cranberries binge the other night and found myself getting so emotional because of Dolores' passing. Thanks for doing this one. My favorite is Ode to My Family. Their whole No Need To Argue album is quite spectacular
Y’all got to see this song with the video, it takes it to another level.
They wrote the song in hope for peace in the Nothern Ireland in 1994. It has nothing to do with murica. Not everything has to do with murica...
One of the most unique voices of all-time. So sad that we have to lose so many legends way too early. Rest in peace, Dolores.
Ode to My Family - The Cranberries
YES!!! Great song!!
Anything that has Dolores' voice attached is a must listen.. Top 3 female rock vocalist in my world.
Yes please! 👍👍
ode to my car
This band was one of the very best things to come out of Ireland! We love and miss you every sigle day Dolores. R.I.P
Dolores, Sinead, I LOVE the Irish ladies and their furry voices. I remember listening to "Ireland" by Marianne Faithfull and after the chorus 'Ireland, Ireland, when will you be free?', my sister looked up from reading and said 'When the last Pope dies'. Of course, dad was an Evangelical Atheist.
Love Marianne Faithfull. I met her in 2011 after a concert and she was lovely. Referred to me as "my child".
I really despised this song big time when it originally came out. I was a teenager and all I wanted to listen to was Heavy Metal music. I heard this song again in my early 20's and I fell in love with it big time. It is one of the most unique songs that I have ever heard. It is Dolores had an amazing voice!! May she Rest In Peace.
They're Irish and they're singing about the Northern Irish conflict called "The Troubles".. one incident in particular that took the lives of children.
I keep watching this because the dawning realization on Vin’s face is everything.
I love how sori is on the verge of tears during the second verse. Shows that you feel the music so awesome!
The kids fighting represents them learning bad things from others and the cycle will continue as the young learn from those around them I've heard that the cranberries were inspired to sing about the issues in Ireland especially after the deaths of two children in a bomb explosion
I live in Ireland and also in the county where The Cranberries are from. I love this country, I´m mexican, my husband is irish, and as mexican i understand the pain and destruction that being marginalized can cause. Ireland is a country that has been robbed, starved to death and abused. Just like my own homeland, just because some other bigger "more powerful" countries decided that they have the right to abuse smaller countries, and a lot of times creating conflict between the same countrymen is the game they play to win it all. Dolores and company were such a powerful voice, when i heard this song for the first time in late 90's i was a teenager not knowing what it meant really, i even played this with my band but it was until i got married that i understood the importance of this song for Ireland and its people.
I watched this in July 2020. Thank you for this. You were speaking the truth back in 2018. Your thoughtful words are inspirational. We’ve both come a long way and regressed. Thanks for this video.
Dreams by The Cranberries was an amazing song as well
The best parts of this song are the way Dolores sings these parts:
"But you see" (it's not me, it's not my family)-> Desperation in denial.
And the nonverbal part just before it cuts to music: "AAAaaaAAhhh-ooooh" -> it's not beautiful, it's reminiscent of the agonizing sounds people make when someone precious is horribly taken....which makes it powerful.
Not my normal genre.....but if you liked this one, you'd probably like Lightning Crashes by Live
The singer from Live always reminded me of David Koresh.
That song wrecks me every time.
Love Live, but Pillar of Davidson is my favorite. Lighting Crashes was good, it just got overplayed for me.
@@The_Pony Totally agree, amazing song but man. - Lisa
@@RelicofNod I really think 'The Freshmen' by Verve Pipe would give an interesting review, too.
It is about the troubles in Northern Ireland. Some people in Northern Ireland wanted to join Eire and be one whole Ireland, some people wanted to stay part of Britain. There's a religious element of Catholics against protestants, some people in the 80s and early 90s found religion a good enough reason. In Northern Ireland there was a Catholic areas and protestant areas, the army used to have to have blockades so they both won't mix. The kids are taught from their parents and their religion . I'm glad it has changed a bit now. Xx
I think you meant to say Jordan is the greatest!
Classic song. Still love it to this day and very relevant to the times.
Couldn't agree more to both of your points. MJ undoubtedly the GOAT, and a damn fine song.
I agree with Vin, I'm glad I didn't know what this song was about as a kid. It was on the radio all the time in the 90s. It would have messed me up. I appreciate it now though. She really sings her heart out.
R.I.P Dolores O'Riordan 😥
She grew up in a care home like myself either sexually emotionally or physically abused this song is perfect for peeps like us💯
I love how you guys really went deep into discussion about the meaning after listening to the song and how this applies to society today instead of just saying “that was a cool song” or “I liked her voice.” That was awesome, and I’m sure Dolores would have been so happy to see this. RIP.
Amen
RIP Dolores.
Loved their song Ridiculous Thoughts.
Dreams was good too
Thanks GODDDD I GREW UP IN THE 90S!!! Best era of music period!!!
War will only end when people love their children more than they hate the stranger. Try U2's "Sunday Bloody Sunday" or The Chieftains'/Sinead O'Connors' "The Foggy Dew".
Yeah listen to pro terrorist songs after listening to an anti terrorist song. Real smart
Love your reaction style and music selection. All the songs you've chosen so far are favorites of mine.
She was specifically talking about "The Troubles".
It's great listening to you two, a very interesting discussion. A lot deeper than the other reaction videos.
Can you guys possibly do Nutshell by Alice in Chains? Maybe even the live version from Unplugged.
These are the scenes of my youth - I grew up and still live in N. Ireland. The army was everywhere, machine guns were a non-remarkable thing cos they were an every day sight. Bombs and bomb scares were our 'normal' life.....our so-called 'peace' is still very fragile. Thank you for reacting to this, and R.I.P. Delores for giving us this song💔....it is part of our history and 'The Troubles'. It's message is overwhelming powerful.
Tenacious D - Beezleboss (The Final Showdown)
Hell yes xD
Proud to be same country as her!!! 🇮🇪
Watched a string of your vids and just wanted to commend you. What a great reaction channel and intelligent discussion. Really impressed.
White Zombie-"Electric Head" told me to tell you 2 thats its pissed. Its tired of being ignored!
The song is talking about Ireland and the horrible fighting ,. caused by the IRA and British Army over 3,000 people died
Catholics vs Protestants. A tragedy as old as the 1500’s
you guys deserve a subscribe for how deep your analysis was
Power Trip - Soul Sacrifice
Power Trip - Crucifixation
Power Trip - Divine Apprehension
Power Trip - Hornet’s Nest
This song is so powerful because of the universal message. I and so many others have family affected by the war she protests specifically in this song, but that is not the limit of the message.
All war is folly. All death is wasteful. All humanity should think before hating.
I must add as an edit: your understanding of the Troubles Vin is exceptional for someone non-British or Irish. So many people don't understand the hell it really was, especially in the context of where it was happening. So much is said about unrest in other states at the same time - but this was happening in the UK, in one of the top 5 stable economies. Open civil guerrilla war.
I have a general supportive nature towards Irish Republicanism but I feel this song is so important because to me it humanises both sides of the conflict. Because in things like this it's not good vs. evil there are good and bad on both sides and due to things like how we are taught the suffragettes vs the suffragists we are brought up on the idea that non violent protests are totally ineffectual. That's not even necessarily untrue but it feeds this understanding that to achieve your goal violence is necessary. It's a horrible subject to approach and really epitomises why one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. It's horrible and difficult and back to the troubles both sides were responsible for incredible (in a bad way) atrocities. I don't even know what the point of this post is anymore other than conflict brings out the worst in humanity even if the original intentions were good ones and for some reason the innocent are always the ones that suffer the most. It's shit and I don't know what the answer is.
Her amazing guitar work also
Inquisition - Bloodshed Across the Empyrean Altar Beyond the Celestial Zenith.
Love those weird ass vocals
Me too!
Finally people talking since about life! Loved it! God be with u!
Paradise lost - Faith divides us death unites us. Do the music video for that one!
There's a decent music video for this song. She's mostly covered in gold in it, which is why the gold girl is in the Bad Wolves tribute.
Everlong - Foo Fighters
She was one hell of a singer, Legendary vocals right there.
I recently had a surreal conversation with a friend of mine trying to explain the Troubles and explain how alot of the money and weapons used to fight the conflict came from the new world in the USA and Canada and how the conflict was partly fueled by the ex pat community that has not been in the old country for generations pouring fuel on the fire out of some fucked up sense of national loyalty on both sides and how they helped fuel a war they did not have to suffer any consequences from. It is also kind of screwed up that if my mother and father's families had stayed in the old country they likely would have been shooting at each other. And now depending on how brexit falls out there are people talking about kicking things off again.
One of the best discussions and reflections about this song. It's amazing. There is a lot of rich symbolism and meaning to the video and to the song. Thank you for really delving deep. You brought up things I had forgotten like the meaning of the cross in the video. Indeed the strife the singer is depicting is the conflict between the Catholics (IRA) and the Protestants(Unionist/Loyalist). They're fighting over the meaning of the cross and killing the children. Woah. Anyway, wonderful reaction.
I watch these to see what snacks he is eating and how many pepsis he can sink.
You said terrorist organisation, I'm not having a pop but it's the same as America wanting independence from Britain, that's what the IRA were fighting for, an independent Ireland. Love your reactions 👍👍
Anthrax - In My World, Indians, Inside Out and What Doesn't Die
Amazing guys! RIP Dolores! thank you for your legacy!!
The Cranberries - Animal Instinct
Greetings from Paraguay!
I'm surprised (and slightly appalled) at the number of US youtubers reacting to this song who seem to have never heard of the Troubles. This shit was _recent_ it only officially ended around the time I was born and I'm young
I'm American and I agree. I knew about it in the 90s when this amazing song first released, SPECIFICALLY because of this song. Unfortunately, Americans are so self absorbed into thinking we're the only country that matters. We definitely have issues.
Judas Priest - Beyond The Realms Of Death!
Paradise Lost - Faith Divides Us Death Unites Us!
I appreciate you bringing up those poor children, thank you for speaking your mind. I appreciate that very much.
Arch Enemy - We Will Rise + Fields of Desolation (LIVE Tyrants of the Rising Sun)
Such a great discussion today guys. It's why I love watching and listening to your videos.
Epica - Kingdom of heaven (live video)
This song never fails to bring some tears to my eyes
Gonna comment as you say stuff - you say its amazing they sing globally, whilst I am sure it translates, they are singing about he troubles in Ireland , the song is about how generation after generation keeps hating and fighting despite the fact the issues were decades or more old and they were hating like brainless zombies. So it is not so global and more personal than you think
Hi,
Obviously, it was personal to Dolores, but the theme of the song is absolutely global. In my country there's zombies from the 16th century (Ottoman conquests, killings, impalings) through 17,18,19 and 20th c., the more recent ones from 1941-1945, and baby zombies from 1991-1995. It will never stop, nowhere in the world, till we all kill each other. Sorry, no future for humankind.
BTW. You two have won me over after watching over a couple of your reaction videos. I just subscribed. I just love how you invest real thoughts and feels of any song that comes your way. Love you guys.
PINK FLOOYD - DOGS !!!
No no. Animals. Or Wish You Were Here. Or The Wall. I need a full album and lyric breakdown like they did with Dark Side of the Moon, dammit.
this song makes me cry every time, close to me in Friesland there was a big stashplace for the ira (dutch) this song should be played on every school in the world
to clarify... the 'troubles' were about 800 years of being invaded and murdered by the english and the fact that they didn't want to give up all the land they'd stolen or lose the tithes/taxes they collected off an oppressed nation
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Technically 800 years ago you were invaded by Normans, they although living in France were vikings.
Its mainly about the troubles in northern ireland .
Love you guys 🙏🏼💚 sometimes the background music when you’re talking is a little too loud though
The Faceless - Sons of Belial
Nothing to do with being a continuation of Braveheart and Scotland. It was about Northern Ireland. Scotland is a separate country from Ireland.
Please react to Neil Young - "The Needle And The Damage Done".
"And every junkie's like a setting sun"
Beautiful lyric.
A maaa ai ai aiiiin...a man needs a maid!!!
That's another kicker of fells too
Neil young is the man.
Glad you like our (Sin and Glory) Patreon pick. Great discussion as always. Much love
Love this song! Great reaction too! Bad wolves does a cover of this and they def. Do the original justice! You guys should check it out.
I think their cover falls flat. It's not bad but lacks the rawness and emotion of the original, imo.
@@MetalRob81 I agree but it's still a respectable effort and the video is kinda touching
covers are always crap attempts to be someone you're not. If you where great and had talent, you'd make your own song, not making a watery lemonade of something truly good.
@@blodekont5458 well they did make an album that people enjoy.. I personally am not into that style of metal, but to each their own.
@@MetalRob81 they might have, that doesn't make it good. And it isn't Metal...pop-rock
RIP Delores. What a voice.
This song is not global. It's specifically about the English occupation of Northern Ireland.
PLEASEEE :( react to:
Dark Tranquility - Lost to apathy or Misery's crown
Avantasia - The scarecrow
Sonata Arctica - Don't say a word or Black Oceans, White Pearl
Sabaton - Primo Victoria
And Bathory - Enter the Eternal Fire & The Lake
that song forever kicks ass in it's message...the BAD WOLVES cove is badass too!!!!
I hated this song when it came out. I was a metal head. Much later I appreciated it, and now I can’t escape Bad Wolves cover of this which isn’t bad but overplayed.
Damn, as a metal fan I'd say this song is pretty reminiscent of Metal. Musically, it's heavy as fuck in parts. It's got a real deep and emotionally heavy subject.
Throw in a male singer with a slightly rough or distorted voice and I'm sure you'd call this metal. I don't think the female vocals changes it much, so I'd call this metal.
@@scottrobinson4611 It's more rooted in the grunge scene that anything imo, but there's plenty of crossover between grunge and parts of metal.
Dude, though the song was more rooted in the grunge scene (the sound, particularly) like
@Shmick ! said, it still goes well with the doomier and primordial side of metal. Aside from Alternative and Hardcore Punk..Doom, Sludge and Stoner Metal had influenced Grunge a great lot even before its inception (Melvins,anyone?).
Yes, I know, when people usually think of Metal, they think of distorted-guitar-shred-and-solo-laden heavy music. Though before it sounded like Maiden and Priest, it sounded like Black Sabbath! I reckon that any competent band that falls under the Doom umbrella is capable of making a good cover out of this song, be they; Trad Doom, Epic Doom, Funeral Doom, Drone Doom (okay,maybe too slow), Gothic Doom, Stoner Doom, Sludge Doom, Death-Doom, Post-Metal, Atmospheric Black , Post-Black, Death Doom, Doomgaze, Prog Doom (Year of No Light/Ahab), Prog Sludge (a la Mastodon),Prog Post-Metal (a la The Ocean), you name it!
@Sam Tho I disagree with you with whole the necessity of tagging music with certain genres thing, I still think that your point doesn't necessarily disqualify mine. I agree with you on that part. Yes, it belongs on that spectrum. My point is to be inclusive, and not be biased or fanatical to a certain genre, and to not outright dismiss or mock other genres. I'd go as far as to say metal came from rock, but that doesn't mean that rock is some weak shit or something like that. Respect is key. Camaraderie is even better.
@Sam then at the core of the issue, we can see eye to eye with each another. Good for you for believing so. I'm just saying tho, there are A LOT of metal fans that are too eager to excommunicate or discriminate their own kin just because they dare to differ themselves from the majority/mainstream group, even for a little.
I listed such a long list of genres, not to flex my own knowledge about such things, but a sign of respect for each one of em'. Notice that I included post-metal and post-black metal into the mold. A lot of metal fans just dismiss people who play such music as just metalheads-wannabe-hipsters playing fake indie/gateway metal. & let's not forget how a lot of fans of mainstream metal rag on people who play nu & alternative metal and condemning them a mere poseurs (just because they refuse to play overextended solos, of all things). As long as you're not one of them, then I can't see why we'll have a problem with one another.
I’m from the same county as Delores. It left my whole family shocked when she died.
Dissection - Maha Kali