Holy heck! What is going on with the used equipment you've bought since coming to America? Ice never met anyone who's had this much trouble with literally every single piece of used machinery they've purchased. Okay, granted the mill got dumped in transit. But still! By the way, I got my brand new 3.5lbs squared circle rounding hammer yesterday! All I can say is it is totally worth the almost 3 years I've tried to get in on one of your hammer orders. The price was beyond fair. The shipping was cheap and fast. It's Ethan Hardy forging them right? Just a fantastic piece of work bordering on art. People, get on the waiting list and set aside the money. You won't regret it. Alec stands behind his stuff 100% and the quality is so far beyond any machined hammer I can't even describe the difference. Thank you Alec!
Pretty sure the mountain passes you go over to get there put a LOT of stress on the housings and moving mounts. All that equipment was intended to stay flat and fixed. You put the stresses of an incline and road vibration on them and things go bad.
@@glenjamindle why would he want them? its gonna cost him way more to buy the thing, get it to the workshop and fix the problems with it than he will ever make back from people buying merch.
Russell Thorburn thats the whole point in theory it is worth 10s of thousands fixed, but he bought it used and broken, 2 reasons he doesnt seem upset like someone that lost 20k+, also he gets content.
Knew a guy who would use a drill with I think a screwdriver bit to scratch his head a few times while I was around. They were the tech person at my high school. Really nice person but strange as anything.
ALEC: Just wondering; do you intend marking this one down to experience or are you going to do something about being ripped off for "tens of thousands"? You have a cool attitude(in every sense of the word "cool") but, either the haulier or the seller is to blame for the damage. By all means; fix it yourself(you do have a metal shop, after all) but send someone the bill. I'm not a big fan of today's "sue someone for EVERYTHING" culture but you're down a lot of money on this one.
@@jason00121 It should still be "as described" and fit for purpose. From what's been said since, it would appear that the seller did cover the cost of repairs. I may have picked that up wrongly of course.
A 70 plus year old machine is a crap shoot, even after rebuilding. These things are an adventure and the mechanical issues are an aggravating game of whack a mole. Impact machinery tends to be self destructive, that is just par for the course. Air hammers get expensive and big ones especially so. You could have bought this hammer new up until 2001. I dont think they had sold one since the early 50s. The pricetag when CECO closed for a hammer like this was north of $200k. They bring premium prices, and the one piece models especially. I have seen a few of these over the years and can't recall seeing, even a trashed chambersburg under $20,000.
Hey Alec, i work in a machining shop in Grand Rapids Michigan, we could machine you a new one for basically nothing and send it out to you, you pay for shipping and I'll make it up so long as you can provide a Cad file for me
@@TexDrinkwater Yep, Abom79 did a TON of work with big gearboxes and shafts when he was at Motion, it'd be worth picking his brain for a half hour or so.
Don't be so sad guys. Some of my favorite videos of yours were when you were refurbishing all your machines back in England. It's cool to see how they work.
I'm not sure if you being entertaining resolves disappointment from spending 10s of thousands of dollars on a machine promised to work that now has to be electronically refurbished. I enjoy these videos too, it's just a very disappointing and costly ordeal for them to make these kinds of videos.
Blair Snurtburgler nah he probably bought it for a couple grand to get channel content, the cracks have rusted over, he doesnt seem mad like someone out 20k mainly just said that for drama and entertainment.
So, I'd be pissed if I spent tens of thousands of dollars on a "ready to roll" machine, only to receive it completely broken and non-functioning. I take it you contacted the people you purchased it from? Seems as though it might have been a shop going out of business, however, so maybe it was dissolved and there's no one left to blame the issue on? Was it damaged in shipping? As we know from previous shipments of machines, that does happen. Seriously, though, I'd be really pissed off.
@@ac.creations Well here is the thing, just because there is rust does not mean that it was not done in shipping, cast metal rusts incredibly fast, hell even unprotected mild steal can rust in a matter of hours if unprotected, in this case it is cast iron that will rust over night and more so if there is moisture in the air.
@@ac.creations I would still guess it was broken after sale. These big machines do not need much of a drop for big parts to break and bend. While moving this machine, somebody dropped it. Plain and simple. It may have only been from a few inches up. The rust likely happened on the fresh metal in the days or weeks that followed. That is truthfully the only way for that damage to happen.
Your videos are always so optimistic! Taking a situation that didn’t go as you planned, where more money will be spent, and making it a learning lesson! Very nice to see these things!
I have followed you for sometime now. I watch every video you do, regardless the subject matter. I was puzzled by that, usually I am very selective about subject matter. Then it dawn on me, things break, things don’t go as planned, and sometimes we just don’t have any experience with what we are dealing with. You have never let that slow you down, or stop you. I appreciate your “Can Do” attitude. Sometimes we do not get it right the first time, or the seventh time. You have helped me develop a “if there is a will, there is a way attitude”. Thank you. A loyal 69 year old follower, and a beginning blade smith.
They should have the shims available that pop in the back of the groove of the bushing; press the first broach with no shim, then with one, add another, etc till you reach the desired depth of keyway.
@@ConLeche29 lemon law on a used car lol who told you that? Lemon law applies for new vehicles and forces the manufacturer to buy it back. No such protection for used cars. They are all considered as is. Of course you can sue them but good luck in litigation.
@@_r-a-f_ Nope. Completely wrong. If you go to a dealer and he's selling a used car, it doesn't mean it's a free for all and they can sell you something and not have to meet it's sold as claims. If they say it had a brand new engine put in, and it didn't. Fraud. If they say that the interior was just upholstered with new leather, and its old cracked leather. Fraud. If the seller said that it was in 100% working condition, he most certainly can file suit. If that were the case, people would be online selling broke junk and no one would have recourse. (See how dumb that sounds?) Whether something is new or used, it does not matter, it must be as advertised. The guy talking about a lemon law on used cars is wrong, but don't try to tell him he's wrong, with more wrong information.
@@xenonram dealer is not a private seller. We are talking about liability in transaction from private seller. There's a reason why you need a dealers license to sell. You are considered a commercial seller. If you buy a car from a PRIVATE party all bets are off
It sucks I live so far away I'm a welder an I can repair old cast motors like that an be good as new when I was done hell I'd do it for free just cuz I love watching your work ...
the moment he started talking about a keyway i was immediately thinking of ThisOldTony or Clickspring! please Alec call them up! they'd love to do a collab with you!
I absolutely love these vids of you fixing problems like this. Hate that you have the problems. But I like watching your mind work when you get into it.
The damage seems to happen in transit quite often. That doesn’t absolve the seller completely as they should endeavour to package it in such a way that the risk of damaged is minimised but it does make them look slightly less bad.
One of the things I have learned from you guys is to just buy the proper tool for the job when possible. I've (almost) never ended up buying a tool that I only use once. (The exception being when I break it the first time I use it.)
There are shaft sleeves/collars that we use at work to combine different shaft sizes too different sprockets. It's called a taper lock. I hope this helps.
If you had really paid attention to the cracks you would have seen there was rust in there which means it has been cracked for awhile so the shipping company is not responsible for what shape it was in when they picked it up.
If u notice the cracks have been rusted over, so he bought this for a couple grand to fix it as a project for channel content, he doesn’t seem like someone that is mad about losing 20k+ he is just saying that to add drama and entertainment.
The gear made of some kind of strange canvas looks like Celeron. It was used on a few old French cars as a timing gear. It wears badly with time, but stays quite strong as far as it's properly lubricated.
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Great episode. Loved the detailed in depth complexity.
this might be a little off topic but when you started talking about the gear and describing how it was made and using the auto cad program for getting info, the idea of using the 3d printer to build a replica of it for sizing and testing came to mind, as well as a physical representation for some people to understand easier, just a thought since we dont see you use it much, if at all.
I am so extremely confused why you're not testing the motor to see if it works at all and as long as it turns, you just fabricate another housing, or get someone to weld the feet back together... The first thought that comes to mind would be to collab with @Abom79
If the housing of a motor that big is cracked theres no point of even trying, it's junk. That thing is 15HP with a cracked housing, just asking for trouble. Also collabs take a long time and they need to get it up and running quick.
Looking at the close up shots there are cracks all across the internal housing. Even detached, just switching it on would probably shake the unit apart. Personally my real concern would be the level of bodgery seen on the other parts. Frankly it looks as though it had twenty odd years of hard graft and shopcraft repairs, then fell into disuse for a few years after the motor housing broke away from the casing. The whole thing needs to be stripped back, cleaned up and carefully inspected for damage / ware / bad repairs on the transmission system. Otherwise I have a feeling we’re going to see several months of passionate restoration videos, followed closely by an explanation of why they have a one ton scrap pile in their workshop after first use.
Keep up the good work! I bet the soft teeth are designed to break before the expensive ones in the machine do and possibly allow for slight miss-alignment. I agree with boring out the hub and re-broaching. Welding in a new hub sounds like an nightmare waiting to happen. If for whatever reason you overshoot the bore you can always sleeve it, there is also a process called spray welding in a last ditch effort but that isn't ideal, although it would make a cool video. When you go to bolt it back down, grab some shims off McMastercarr and align the shaft as best you can with the dial indicator, its standard to have shims under each motor pad, if you end up making custom ones try to have them overhang the motor pad by 1/4". I recommend using grade 8 fasteners to secure the motor. When bolting into a casting you want as many threads engaged between the fastener and hole as you can to distribute your clamping force, reduce stripping and pullout. Using a threaded rod/ stud you can bottom it out in the blind tapped hole to maximize the thread engagement. I would use belleville/ conical washers in addition to flat washers to hold the motor bolts tight, they act as little springs and keep the pre-load. Shoot me a message if you would like me to elaborate.
It’s shipping that messed up this machine most likely. Make their insurance pay for this! Assuming that the selling company can prove that it was fine when they put it on the truck...
fair point but realistically speaking, how would that not happen if you're shipping what is essentially just a massive casting with an engine attached to it which was most likely 800 billion years old to begin with ? If you take into consideration, the mass of the motor in correlation to the mass of the internals alongside the age of the casing itself, and then assume that the weight capacity that the case can support would've decreased somewhat over time (because of erosion) wouldn't that have just been inevitable and therefore be down to basic physics ?
@J B for that you would need to disassemble the shaft from the moter, which means at least two bearings you'd had to press off and then start the machining process. In my eyes it's much more reasonable to make a new coupling
Cut a witness mark on the OD of the tube. Cut halfway through with the existing boring bar, flip it around, indicate to the witness mark and then bore through the other half.
@@entropy11 the cast iron frame of the motor is brittle compared to the rest of the hammer body which would absorb shock much better, I think a drop from a foot or two or a rough set down could do that. Let's get AvE to do a post mortem on it, read the stress fractures like Dexter reading blood splatter
Something like that should've been transported on an "air ride" trailer. If it wasn't, it could certainly cause that damage. I would know, I've prepped quite a few jet engines for trailer transport.
I think all those set screws are done deliberately for balancing of the gear. Otherwise it will not be balanced and slowly destroy the gear. The grub screws are screw in or out to balance it. Anything that spins at a high rpm needs to be dynamically balanced. For safety issues too.
Please don’t buy a brand new motor before you get someone who knows how to braise/weld to look at it, I beg you not to waste thousands of dollars on something that may be salvageable!
Yea You can weld that motor no problem. Those feet are big enough that they would keep the machine upright unless you hit it with a truck at 30mph. My guess is during transport that machine tipped because it is so tall and broke them off because the bolts were not tight enough and had some play.
Do not forget about the interference fit of the bore. Look up the tolerance for that size of bore so that either the key or shaft doesn't start getting damaged while in use.
Alec, you'd be surprised at how quickly you can make your own insert tooling. I've made a handful for the lathe that perform very well, and have saved me a week of waiting on shipping. You can download specs on all of the inserts, which makes design a breeze.
I feel like Im going to really enjoy this series, seeing the awesome weapons is always cool but this being so different I just hope this does well so Alec can get more machines to fix up
@@thefunkosaurus don't be a punk, don't spread hate. If you aren't a person of faith, fine, but snide remarks about the actions of those who are is unnecessary and cruel.
Probably there was an insurance covering the object. Indon’t think you spend tens of thousend on a machinae, find out it’s broken, and just roll with it and accept losing money. It isn’t from the travel, there is rust inside the cracks
No way fam. It's cracked all throughout. That's fatigue cracking. Something you'd see on rigid machinery with large amplitude vibrations. Ya know, like a power hammer.
Holy heck! What is going on with the used equipment you've bought since coming to America? Ice never met anyone who's had this much trouble with literally every single piece of used machinery they've purchased. Okay, granted the mill got dumped in transit. But still!
By the way, I got my brand new 3.5lbs squared circle rounding hammer yesterday! All I can say is it is totally worth the almost 3 years I've tried to get in on one of your hammer orders. The price was beyond fair. The shipping was cheap and fast. It's Ethan Hardy forging them right? Just a fantastic piece of work bordering on art. People, get on the waiting list and set aside the money. You won't regret it. Alec stands behind his stuff 100% and the quality is so far beyond any machined hammer I can't even describe the difference. Thank you Alec!
Makes for more videos, people feeling sorry and buying stuff from him, I'm sure these problems work out to be profitable for him
@@Rufus066 That's exactly what I'm thinking. There's no way any of these problems were a surprise.
Pretty sure the mountain passes you go over to get there put a LOT of stress on the housings and moving mounts.
All that equipment was intended to stay flat and fixed.
You put the stresses of an incline and road vibration on them and things go bad.
@@glenjamindle why would he want them? its gonna cost him way more to buy the thing, get it to the workshop and fix the problems with it than he will ever make back from people buying merch.
Con: Very expensive "ready to roll" machine is D.O.A.
Pro: Get to make a very interesting set of videos on how to fix that bad boy.
Russell Thorburn thats the whole point in theory it is worth 10s of thousands fixed, but he bought it used and broken, 2 reasons he doesnt seem upset like someone that lost 20k+, also he gets content.
@@T0YCHEST if you want to see his "not upset face" you might want to check the video where he got the delivery.
Mindereak it did exactly it was a total not upset face
Although its not functioning, it technically still is an asset because he's still making money from the content on it
interesting but extremely expensive, that power hammer is worth as much as a car brand new ;_;
and is gonna cost them even more to repair..
I think This Old Tony knows his machinery. Why not turn the catastrophe into a collaboration?
Get this man higher in the comments, I refuse to believe this cant be fixed if the motor itself is working
I was more thinking of Abom79
Yessss this old Tony can help tremendously
love Tony, but to do a collaboration, going to need a machinist that shows there face
@@Gantzz321 He showed his face
Alec: *goes to will to talk to him*
Will: *casually scratching his head with a 30 cm knife*
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Does OSHA ever call these guys and say stuff like.....ok, I will be over with this weeks fines, violations, and "are you sh*&%$ me's"
I was wondering if it was a knife!
Knew a guy who would use a drill with I think a screwdriver bit to scratch his head a few times while I was around. They were the tech person at my high school. Really nice person but strange as anything.
Scratching very carefully though. xD
ALEC: Just wondering; do you intend marking this one down to experience or are you going to do something about being ripped off for "tens of thousands"? You have a cool attitude(in every sense of the word "cool") but, either the haulier or the seller is to blame for the damage. By all means; fix it yourself(you do have a metal shop, after all) but send someone the bill.
I'm not a big fan of today's "sue someone for EVERYTHING" culture but you're down a lot of money on this one.
In general with used equipment, you inherit all the old dings and damage. This sort of thing is par for the course.
@@jason00121 It should still be "as described" and fit for purpose. From what's been said since, it would appear that the seller did cover the cost of repairs. I may have picked that up wrongly of course.
A 70 plus year old machine is a crap shoot, even after rebuilding. These things are an adventure and the mechanical issues are an aggravating game of whack a mole. Impact machinery tends to be self destructive, that is just par for the course. Air hammers get expensive and big ones especially so. You could have bought this hammer new up until 2001. I dont think they had sold one since the early 50s. The pricetag when CECO closed for a hammer like this was north of $200k. They bring premium prices, and the one piece models especially. I have seen a few of these over the years and can't recall seeing, even a trashed chambersburg under $20,000.
@@jason00121 but alec said it was rebuilt and ready to use, doesn't look like it to me. btw sry for digging up this old comment ^^
Fuor sure, definetly seems like he go played.
Hey Alec, i work in a machining shop in Grand Rapids Michigan, we could machine you a new one for basically nothing and send it out to you, you pay for shipping and I'll make it up so long as you can provide a Cad file for me
Just my thought 👍 a simple job that only would have taken a couple of hours..
Greetings from a blacksmith in Big Rapids, MI!
Get this guy some more likes!!!
@@whitewizard915 dope man, been a machinist for a while but just recently started trying my hand at blacksmithing!
Bump
I'm liking and commenting just so 'the algorithm' can help Alec pay for that check out cart of parts... paragon isnt gonna do it all!
Iam doing my part
Jeremy Bloch demonetised because he made a gag about corona
I too am commenting to add more comments. :D
I'll help
Agreed
Will: “We all know you’re not gonna wait anyway. So you might as well just not wait... sooner.”
Alec: “OOF”
Well Will wasn't wrong!
ADHD is a blessing and a curse. It eliminates procrastination, but encourages mistakes that need fixing.
@@jubaldurden4638 Does Alec have ADHD?
He only said what we were all thinking lol
Made for each other.
When in doubt, contact This Old Tony.
He can make just about anything, and build a mountain of any molehills.
Him or Abom79.
@@TexDrinkwater Yep, Abom79 did a TON of work with big gearboxes and shafts when he was at Motion, it'd be worth picking his brain for a half hour or so.
Tom Lipton the Man (oxtools TH-cam)
Alec you should contact Abom79 or ThisOldTony. They would be a wonderful youtube collaboration! Pretty sure they could help ya out.
Love abom 79
I'm sure Abom's shaper would make light work of that keyway.
+1 for getting in touch with Abom79.
+1 for Abom. Or Keith Rucker. Both have done cast iron brazing repairs
TOT!!
Don't be so sad guys. Some of my favorite videos of yours were when you were refurbishing all your machines back in England. It's cool to see how they work.
my bet is that's the reason they bought this machine
I'm not sure if you being entertaining resolves disappointment from spending 10s of thousands of dollars on a machine promised to work that now has to be electronically refurbished.
I enjoy these videos too, it's just a very disappointing and costly ordeal for them to make these kinds of videos.
Blair Snurtburgler it’s also his job and how he makes money to buy these tools
Blair Snurtburgler nah he probably bought it for a couple grand to get channel content, the cracks have rusted over, he doesnt seem mad like someone out 20k mainly just said that for drama and entertainment.
@@RupeeRhod He is almost surely going to make more money fixing this than he paid for it....
So, I'd be pissed if I spent tens of thousands of dollars on a "ready to roll" machine, only to receive it completely broken and non-functioning. I take it you contacted the people you purchased it from? Seems as though it might have been a shop going out of business, however, so maybe it was dissolved and there's no one left to blame the issue on? Was it damaged in shipping? As we know from previous shipments of machines, that does happen. Seriously, though, I'd be really pissed off.
considering the rust on some of those cracks looks like not during shipping.
Yeah the lot looks like it was an auction from a shop that went under.
@@ac.creations Well here is the thing, just because there is rust does not mean that it was not done in shipping, cast metal rusts incredibly fast, hell even unprotected mild steal can rust in a matter of hours if unprotected, in this case it is cast iron that will rust over night and more so if there is moisture in the air.
@@ac.creations I would still guess it was broken after sale. These big machines do not need much of a drop for big parts to break and bend. While moving this machine, somebody dropped it. Plain and simple. It may have only been from a few inches up. The rust likely happened on the fresh metal in the days or weeks that followed. That is truthfully the only way for that damage to happen.
@@Bobbywolf64 nah, thats been broken months, who you trying to kid?
I do enjoy the problem solving process. Not everything is best fixed by an off the shelf solution.
Series within a series within a series. Beautiful
>inception sound here
Inserieseption.
Your videos are always so optimistic! Taking a situation that didn’t go as you planned, where more money will be spent, and making it a learning lesson! Very nice to see these things!
I have followed you for sometime now. I watch every video you do, regardless the subject matter. I was puzzled by that, usually I am very selective about subject matter. Then it dawn on me, things break, things don’t go as planned, and sometimes we just don’t have any experience with what we are dealing with. You have never let that slow you down, or stop you. I appreciate your “Can Do” attitude. Sometimes we do not get it right the first time, or the seventh time. You have helped me develop a “if there is a will, there is a way attitude”. Thank you. A loyal 69 year old follower, and a beginning blade smith.
When you go to broach, press a little then back off throughout the whole process. It makes for a decent experience when you don’t break a broach
I agree. I’ve shattered them... nothing like sharp chunks of metal flying around the shop😮
They should have the shims available that pop in the back of the groove of the bushing; press the first broach with no shim, then with one, add another, etc till you reach the desired depth of keyway.
Two days two uploads. I'm here for it
Best video I have seen from you for a long time, and Will diagnosing that Heli coil was outstanding, your a clever lad.
OMG I love how fast you made the Corona joke! I LOVE IT
Get A-bomb over there. He'll get it going.
Seriously though, if it's non-functional and advertised as "in working condition",, I'm pretty sure that constitutes fraud.
From a commercial seller (manufacturer) - yes, private-sale - nope it was his responsibility to check it before he paid. Same goes for used cars.
@@_r-a-f_ well with cars you can claim lemon and if you win in court the guy has to pay you back
@@ConLeche29 lemon law on a used car lol who told you that? Lemon law applies for new vehicles and forces the manufacturer to buy it back. No such protection for used cars. They are all considered as is. Of course you can sue them but good luck in litigation.
@@_r-a-f_ Nope. Completely wrong. If you go to a dealer and he's selling a used car, it doesn't mean it's a free for all and they can sell you something and not have to meet it's sold as claims. If they say it had a brand new engine put in, and it didn't. Fraud. If they say that the interior was just upholstered with new leather, and its old cracked leather. Fraud. If the seller said that it was in 100% working condition, he most certainly can file suit. If that were the case, people would be online selling broke junk and no one would have recourse. (See how dumb that sounds?) Whether something is new or used, it does not matter, it must be as advertised. The guy talking about a lemon law on used cars is wrong, but don't try to tell him he's wrong, with more wrong information.
@@xenonram dealer is not a private seller. We are talking about liability in transaction from private seller. There's a reason why you need a dealers license to sell. You are considered a commercial seller. If you buy a car from a PRIVATE party all bets are off
You know... This maintenance and fixing machinery videos are my favorites!
My 3yo when he saw Alec: "him have funny hair. Him need a haircut."
OMG - the SWAT team 'dropping' in at 11:55 killed me!!! :)
Right? Corona Alert! I cracked up
It sucks I live so far away I'm a welder an I can repair old cast motors like that an be good as new when I was done hell I'd do it for free just cuz I love watching your work ...
the moment he started talking about a keyway i was immediately thinking of ThisOldTony or Clickspring! please Alec call them up! they'd love to do a collab with you!
renogiza -
Don’t forget Kieth tenner and Abomb79, or they could ask the guys from Project Binky to make some brackets. 😉
abom72? he is more of a machinist
Keith Fenner.....just sain'
Clickspring is in Australia, it's a bit far for Alec. Also his equipment is not exactly the right scale for this sort of project.
Steampunk Skunk
Yes, but just imagine how beautiful it would look engraved and made out of solid brass?😉
I absolutely love these vids of you fixing problems like this. Hate that you have the problems. But I like watching your mind work when you get into it.
So basically, every second hand machine dealer in the US is a shark? Every time he buys a machine there's something wrong with it.
The damage seems to happen in transit quite often. That doesn’t absolve the seller completely as they should endeavour to package it in such a way that the risk of damaged is minimised but it does make them look slightly less bad.
As if the nation "US" has any value. Humans suck. There is no nation of morally superior people. If you think so... you're a moron.
@@jubaldurden4638 i think thats fairly incorrect
@@thechumpsbeendumped.7797 I would make a fair wager that the carrier did not damage those motor mounts, nothing looks recent on those fractures!
@@duracellgee I'm watching on my phone and I thought I saw rust. But not sure how long it was on the truck.
Now that you need a new motor, you should take all of that copper out of the old one and make some cool stuff out of it! Lemons out of lemonade
GuardGreen 5.0 Fair idea! I’d love to see Alec get into major melts. The upside is he can take what he melted and forge something from it!
One of the things I have learned from you guys is to just buy the proper tool for the job when possible. I've (almost) never ended up buying a tool that I only use once. (The exception being when I break it the first time I use it.)
There are shaft sleeves/collars that we use at work to combine different shaft sizes too different sprockets. It's called a taper lock. I hope this helps.
Dustin Spann Is that like those special fittings you can buy that allows you to fire say, a 9mm from a 12G? Or not really? 😂😂
I'm not familiar with those.
you DID get some money back on this right? You should ask
for the price of the replacement motor
I know having problems like this sucks, but it's so amazing watching how you solve these problems making some exciting content. Great work alec
Nice to see two Blacksmiths hammering on a gear part of a motor without it being hot.
Interesting, a Will perching on natural habitat.
Hopefully he won't build a nest up there.
Once Wills nest it is impossible to get them out of there.
Is it bad I heard you saying that in David Attenborough's voice?
Here we have a Will, Perching in his natural Habitat...
He'll come down when you make coffee.
Picklesnout Penobscott Nope, I imagined Steve Irwin, may he rest in peace, while reading that comment.
Bob Funk Something shiny might do the trick too though
@@mgreene1409 "Crikey! Look at that hammer, one touch and *whack!* he'll take your arm Clean Off!"
I like the machining projects as much as the blacksmithing projects!
That thing looks like it has been sitting outside in the weather for 50 years. I would have called them out big time, you're much nicer than me haha
"We know that you're not gonna wait anyways, so you might as well not wait *sooner*"
8:32 the fact that he was scratching his head with a knife makes the next 10 seconds 100x funnier and relatable.
Alec, top tip, you can cut keyways on a lathe, look it up online if you're unsure of how, it's not hard at all
I love to see you fix broken equipment keep up the good work😊👍🏻
So, you have no recourse with the seller and/or the shipping company? Seems like their promises of a good running machine weren’t very true.
Eric Primrose would definitely have some phone calls with the shipping company and/or a lawyer
If you had really paid attention to the cracks you would have seen there was rust in there which means it has been cracked for awhile so the shipping company is not responsible for what shape it was in when they picked it up.
If u notice the cracks have been rusted over, so he bought this for a couple grand to fix it as a project for channel content, he doesn’t seem like someone that is mad about losing 20k+ he is just saying that to add drama and entertainment.
@1234 oh this sort of thing has never happened in any other countries huh? That makes sense idiot.
@@T0YCHEST bare metal rusts quick.
I think I would be talking with the company where this machine came from. They obviously sold you a machine that wasn’t “ready to go”.
This old Tony could proberly LOVE the challenge of making a motor mount and gear for you.
You probably want to do it yourself and learn in the process but AvE, This Old Tony or Clicksping would be a great collaboration for this series.
There is a youtuber calling himself "my mechanics" who always says: "I make a new one" and then does an incredible job. Contact him! Regards.
The only problem is he's in Switzerland.
"There is an adventure along this dark path"
Alec is definitely a Sith
Another reason to fear the hammer XD
The gear made of some kind of strange canvas looks like Celeron. It was used on a few old French cars as a timing gear. It wears badly with time, but stays quite strong as far as it's properly lubricated.
Great episode. Loved the detailed in depth complexity.
By “Ready to go!”... they meant “Ready to go.. for a complete overhaul/refurbishment!!”
Why not just bore an 1/8 out than it will be 1"5/8 " or am I seeing this wrong
Not sure the keyway would be deep enough but otherwise yeah
Great video! I love problem solving, fixit videos. You are on the right track for the repair. Just take your time and keep checking your measurements.
this might be a little off topic but when you started talking about the gear and describing how it was made and using the auto cad program for getting info, the idea of using the 3d printer to build a replica of it for sizing and testing came to mind, as well as a physical representation for some people to understand easier, just a thought since we dont see you use it much, if at all.
Naive question: If there is already a sleeve, why not remove the welds and remove the sleeve?
James Moore, naive question, no no no. I would say that your question is brilliant & obvious and deserves an response from Alec Steel
It seems like equipment sellers recognize a couple of pidgins when they see them. Remember the lathe fiasco? Lads, you’ve been plucked yet once again.
@14:05 “I have a little bit of a creative and potentially dangerous idea in my head” has meme potential.
You're killing me! Fire the torch and braze that casting up!
11:56 that's hilarious 😂
I am so extremely confused why you're not testing the motor to see if it works at all and as long as it turns, you just fabricate another housing, or get someone to weld the feet back together... The first thought that comes to mind would be to collab with @Abom79
Because seeing if it works means paying an electrician to wire it up, which isn't necessarily cheap or fast. It doesn't just plug into the wall.
If the housing of a motor that big is cracked theres no point of even trying, it's junk. That thing is 15HP with a cracked housing, just asking for trouble. Also collabs take a long time and they need to get it up and running quick.
Looking at the close up shots there are cracks all across the internal housing. Even detached, just switching it on would probably shake the unit apart. Personally my real concern would be the level of bodgery seen on the other parts. Frankly it looks as though it had twenty odd years of hard graft and shopcraft repairs, then fell into disuse for a few years after the motor housing broke away from the casing. The whole thing needs to be stripped back, cleaned up and carefully inspected for damage / ware / bad repairs on the transmission system. Otherwise I have a feeling we’re going to see several months of passionate restoration videos, followed closely by an explanation of why they have a one ton scrap pile in their workshop after first use.
@@cableferret9804 one ton? A knee mill is a ton and a half, there's no way that thing isn't more like 2 or 3 tons! 😜
@@super_slo That is a good point. So one ton in a pile and the other two scattered accross the workshop XD
Stuff from Shars is the high end of Chicom stuff for sure. I use some in the shop; just gotta inspect it when it comes in.
Keep up the good work! I bet the soft teeth are designed to break before the expensive ones in the machine do and possibly allow for slight miss-alignment. I agree with boring out the hub and re-broaching. Welding in a new hub sounds like an nightmare waiting to happen. If for whatever reason you overshoot the bore you can always sleeve it, there is also a process called spray welding in a last ditch effort but that isn't ideal, although it would make a cool video. When you go to bolt it back down, grab some shims off McMastercarr and align the shaft as best you can with the dial indicator, its standard to have shims under each motor pad, if you end up making custom ones try to have them overhang the motor pad by 1/4". I recommend using grade 8 fasteners to secure the motor. When bolting into a casting you want as many threads engaged between the fastener and hole as you can to distribute your clamping force, reduce stripping and pullout. Using a threaded rod/ stud you can bottom it out in the blind tapped hole to maximize the thread engagement. I would use belleville/ conical washers in addition to flat washers to hold the motor bolts tight, they act as little springs and keep the pre-load. Shoot me a message if you would like me to elaborate.
I KNOW I've seen that face on the hammer before... I can't place it, but I've seen that power hammer before... Probably on youtube somewhere.
Yeah me too
agreed its been driving me crazy
I KNOW. IT'S BEEN DRIVING ME NUTS
Will-“because ADHD” me-“HAHA i feel that”
I love what you did at 11:48 that got me laughing hard
That Corona alert had me in stitches!
Oh my! I can already feel the vibrations 😂 Alec Steele 2020
It’s shipping that messed up this machine most likely. Make their insurance pay for this! Assuming that the selling company can prove that it was fine when they put it on the truck...
fair point but realistically speaking, how would that not happen if you're shipping what is essentially just a massive casting with an engine attached to it which was most likely 800 billion years old to begin with ? If you take into consideration, the mass of the motor in correlation to the mass of the internals alongside the age of the casing itself, and then assume that the weight capacity that the case can support would've decreased somewhat over time (because of erosion) wouldn't that have just been inevitable and therefore be down to basic physics ?
The fracture is completely rusted leads me to believe it was stress fractures that rusted over time and finally split open in shipping
It was likely old damage that was hidden under decades of paint. Working on hammers this is pretty common. Those cracks are older than Alec.
@0:43 - Will doing his best Cheshire Cat impersonation, I see.
The knowledge of mechanics is amazing and so you young man ,just found you ..cheers from. S.fla
Why wouldn't you just remove the 1/8" off the inside so it fits the new motor shaft and call it a day?
Then the key won't fit. But he coud mill that down, too, and THEN call it a day.
@J B I was thinking the same thing.
@J B for that you would need to disassemble the shaft from the moter, which means at least two bearings you'd had to press off and then start the machining process. In my eyes it's much more reasonable to make a new coupling
Cut a witness mark on the OD of the tube. Cut halfway through with the existing boring bar, flip it around, indicate to the witness mark and then bore through the other half.
you should use anything you can from
The old motor for future projects! Would
Make a great story and momentum!
Don’t you get money paid back?. Seems like they lied about the function didn’t they
I would assume it was shipping damage and a claim was hopefully filed by the shipper with a partial refund... that's how it should go at least
That couldn't be shipping damage.
@@entropy11 the cast iron frame of the motor is brittle compared to the rest of the hammer body which would absorb shock much better, I think a drop from a foot or two or a rough set down could do that. Let's get AvE to do a post mortem on it, read the stress fractures like Dexter reading blood splatter
Something like that should've been transported on an "air ride" trailer. If it wasn't, it could certainly cause that damage. I would know, I've prepped quite a few jet engines for trailer transport.
@@spyder7758 Those cracks are too rusted for it to be new damage.
I’m always amazed in your knowledge during the “adventures” Alec. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Probably one of the most effective advertisements Paragon has ever paid for.
so what happened with the money, did you end up getting ripped off from that company?
really sucks I thought it was just the feet that was cracked it's a lot worse
This dudes voice makes anything sound cool
Also just sent you a video showing the coupling as an example of what it's doing in terms of mating the 2 different shafts and keyholes
Just mill down your key stock. You are driving a phenolic gear meant to be the weak link anyway. My $.02
Im sure all that damage is fine. Looks stressful, but hey content makes the internet happy. Cant wait till your finished with your repairs.
That intermezzo was hilarious :-D
You’ve had no luck when it comes to shipping since you moved to the USA have you.
I think all those set screws are done deliberately for balancing of the gear. Otherwise it will not be balanced and slowly destroy the gear. The grub screws are screw in or out to balance it. Anything that spins at a high rpm needs to be dynamically balanced. For safety issues too.
Adam Booth or Keith Rucker IMHO. Both of these guys are master machinists and could make you an entirely new piece, better than new.
Please don’t buy a brand new motor before you get someone who knows how to braise/weld to look at it, I beg you not to waste thousands of dollars on something that may be salvageable!
Yea You can weld that motor no problem. Those feet are big enough that they would keep the machine upright unless you hit it with a truck at 30mph. My guess is during transport that machine tipped because it is so tall and broke them off because the bolts were not tight enough and had some play.
I'm really enjoying this types of videos it's very I informative and a bit different
Do not forget about the interference fit of the bore. Look up the tolerance for that size of bore so that either the key or shaft doesn't start getting damaged while in use.
Alec, you'd be surprised at how quickly you can make your own insert tooling. I've made a handful for the lathe that perform very well, and have saved me a week of waiting on shipping. You can download specs on all of the inserts, which makes design a breeze.
Excellent episode as always Alec. I think will has been aluminiumized enough for the moment; so now it's time to tease him with a choc-ice.
Paging Abom79. He could fix this blindfolded with his foot in a bucket.
I feel like Im going to really enjoy this series, seeing the awesome weapons is always cool but this being so different I just hope this does well so Alec can get more machines to fix up
His hair just keeps getting wilder..... I'm not complaining, just a bit jealous.
Coming from a boy with a jewish mother: go to your local synagogue and ask someone there to complain for you
Ben Glaser 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂👍🏻
Synagogues are closed due to the Coronavirus.
@@FlinnGaidin as a sign of Faith, I assume.....
@@thefunkosaurus don't be a punk, don't spread hate. If you aren't a person of faith, fine, but snide remarks about the actions of those who are is unnecessary and cruel.
@@texacajundiy I make observations. I postulate. I do not call names. I see a response, but not an answer.
Because...ADHD
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Ah, Will
Keep chasing your dreams,Alec. Stay safe mate
You can buy a taper lock adaptor for fairly cheap, and it will lock into the gear bore taking shear pressure off your set screws. Or use a b-loc.
It was late getting delivered, apparently there was an accident. That looks like it was damaged in transit to me. Just saying
The shipper did, in fact, say there was an accident. Though he said it did not involve him. Why this was accepted in that state is beyond me.
Probably there was an insurance covering the object. Indon’t think you spend tens of thousend on a machinae, find out it’s broken, and just roll with it and accept losing money. It isn’t from the travel, there is rust inside the cracks
The cracks had rust all the way through on the inside...so not recent IMO.
No way fam. It's cracked all throughout. That's fatigue cracking. Something you'd see on rigid machinery with large amplitude vibrations. Ya know, like a power hammer.
This is my dream workshop