Paid £195 for mine as an ex shop display watch and am very happy with it. Generally I’ve found that Citizen’s are better built for the money than the equivalent Seiko, they don’t seem to suffer anywhere near the amount of misaligned bezels, hands etc
I don't agree. The Miyota 8 series movements they use in their entry level watches are pretty horrible. It's why the Ali Express brands tend to favour the NH35. It's a more refined movement
Casing-wise Citizen watches are the tad above Seiko (maybe) but paying anything more than $150for a watch with a $25 Miyota 8x movement in it seems like a ripoff of feebleminded rest of us.
It's certainly a "hype watch". However if you are 100% objective and only look at the facts, then watch reviews would be a series of videos reading from a spec sheet. Subjective thoughts however make this whole thing we call watch collecting interesting, and reviewers have been giving it a thumbs up. If you look solely at specs, Pagani Design are the greatest watchmakers ever. And somehow I doubt many people would agree to that statement.
If you believe the whole "everyone rips everyone else off" trope, Pagani very well may be the greatest watchmaker of all time, for economically democratizing art.
Couple of points to consider. 1) Citizen hasn't pushed automatic watches outside of the Asian markets for sometime with the rest of the world having mostly EcoDrive offerings. 2) While not a direct homage of the DateJust it has some shared characteristics but more budget offering. 3) The polished folding clasp is typical for Citizen I have owned several and all of them that came on bracelet had a polished folding. Overall it's a good offering and around 50% of the PRX automatic.
You get an automatic movement for the same price as a quartz PRX. I think it's a pretty decent deal, plenty of people are hesitant to buy a cheap Chinese watch, so another name-brand automatic in the under-$500 bracket is always good to see.
Citizen have been selling mechanical watches on the down low outside of Asia. Brand perception is very different in the west compared to Japan. Consumers don't really understand or appreciate tiering within the same brand and look down on Seiko and Citizen because of how cheap their lowest tier watches are. Seiko took years of expensive marketing to chance perceptions and I would argue they have had limited success and only really in the collector community. Citizen has chosen to buy western brands instead.
Not sure why there was a lot of negativity about this one, looks pretty great to me, I like the bracelet on that, the rounded links look quite nice. I’m a sucker for white dials, definitely has op vibes which is why it has been described as a Rolex killer lol. Love a nice crisp white dial, this is a nice watch! Thanks Gary
I like the Tsuyosa. In my opinion it counts as a budged watch given it's from a major brand and offers sapphire crystal and a hacking automatic movement. Try and find a Seiko integrated bracelet sports watch with similar specs as at a similar price.
I have had mine now for about a year, and I am extremely pleased with it. Sure the crown is ridiculously small and the clasp is sub standard, but the rest of the watch is brilliant. It has that eye catching effect. I see on Chrono 24 they are selling at around $250.
I think a lot of people expect Tissot levels of finishing for the same price. What you do get is a decent retro design from a well respected manufacturer at an ok price, an automatic for a similar price to the PRX Quartz. When Seiko are charging similar prices for a design they've used for many years on their 5KX I don't think the Citizen is unreasonable. It's not for me though.
I don't get why people are comparing this with the PRX as the automatic version isn't at a comparable price point, more than double the RRP in fact. The Tsuyosa is a good option for those wanting a stylish and affordable automatic that will no doubt be durable and reliable. Tissot quality and value is not all it is cracked up to be and given the price difference you could actually buy both a Tsuyosa and a PRX quartz (more convincing than the automatic IMHO) for the same price as a PRX automatic.
@@paulc9588The Citizen automatic is at a similar price point to the Tissot quartz. The Tissot automatic is about double the price. All things considered, unless I just wanted a Tissot, I'd go with the Citizen in this case.
@@paulc9588Where I live the PRX Powermatic 80 runs around 17000-18000, while the Tsuyosa's are around 7000-8000 currency nevermind, don't want to reveal more
@@tonycamaj4560I agree. And it’s from a well-known brand which is cheaper than those San Martin homage watches from Aliexpress. I’m planning to buy the two tone option with the grey dial. 😊
I generally wear a Rolex Datejust 36 as an everyday watch and I honestly buy watches that look sharp and expensive on my wrist, so beauty matters a lot. If a watch elevates my looks and what I'm wearing, I'm happy. For the price (budget price) there's nothing that looks as good as the Black Tsuyosa on my wrists. It looks expensive, classy, youthful, sharp ... Way more than the Tissot PRX. So as someone who isn't a watch nerd but appreciates beauty...this watch is really a winner and the best out there for the small price!! 😎👌
Very fair and accurate observations of this watch. I am more than pleased with my Tsuyosa (it has the pebbly blue dial). I had a PRX, but I like this better. The Powermatic80 in my PRX developed a helicopter rotor situation after having it for about 3 months (I also had a MIDO with a version of the Powermatic80, and it also developed the same issue), I sent it back to Tissot to be serviced and it took quite a while to come back. I picked up the Tusyosa around that time. I had both watches at the same time for month or so (and there were ample opportunities to compare them) and then when the Powermatic80 in the MIDO acted up, I sold both the MIDO and the PRX (and I'm guessing that it will be some time before I think about a Powermatic 80 movement again). When I had both the Tusyosa & the PRX, the Tsuyosa got more wrist time. For my wrist, It's more comfortable and I prefer the look of the bracelet to the flat link looks of the PRX. As for cost, Citizen has priced it at $450 here in the US , but I was able to get mine from Masters in Time for about $280. $450 is WAY too much for this watch lol. I could not agree with you more about the clasp on the otherwise nice bracelet. What in the world are they thinking? And the crown is a bit small and hard for my sausage like fingers to easily use. It's a pretty good watch for less than $300, but would not look at it for much more than that. My experience is as told above, YMMV.
@@tonycamaj4560 This post was 6 months ago, and at that time the colorway I purchased was not available from Citizen USA. I had to get it imported. It may well be available now, I really don't know. Citizen USA was selling 4 or 5 other colorways here at the time.
Seems like a case of managed expectations. For $250-280 I'd think this watch is great, and it can be had for that price. But $450 is right out. Thanks for the honest review!
One of my favorite watches! Finishing on mine was great! Dial color on these matter..... got yellow, one of the best. Love the fit on my 7.25 wrist. Bracelet is great. And regarding the price..... originally (and the one i got) the price for these were around 225 euros. They came to US market and price went up 🤦🏾♂️. Solid solid watch otherwise and always gets a compliment!
Gary only praises San Martin homages :) In reality if you want a nice affordable watch (don't pay retail) and is not a blatant copy of something else this watch is great.
Stumbled across this for just over £200 on a Spanish webshop very early on. Two dealkillers for me - the cyclops and the movement. Citizen EcoDrives are so good I cant buy one of their autos even at a lower price. Seiko have the cheap auto market sown up for me with the NH's
Several options on Amazon including the orange dial arguably the best at £229 pretty decent value at that I think better than equivalent Seikos which I own 🙁
@@shanephillips8735 Such a beauty! I was torn between that one and the white dial NB1050. I went for the latter because of the dress-down versatility the bracelet offered. If you bought it you'd have the best of both worlds, as I'm pretty sure the bracelet/strap can be swapped between the two if you ever wanted to.
I got mine for less than $300. I do wish the clasp was nicer and the crown a little easier to use, but overall I’m very pleased with it. Not a horrible value imo.
It's a nice watch, but I definitely don't regret getting a PRX instead. The quartz dial is so underrated (and I found one new for only $220 because of it)
It’s an ok watch for the price, only if you can pay well below retail. It’s small on the wrist so if you lean towards a mid to large wrist it will look small. Finish is just ok and comfort is good. The bracelet punches above its weight and looks damn nice. All in all a good but not great watch if you can score one for a bargain well below retail. If I had to chose again I would pick the PRS as its bigger and better made. I have the light blue dial one and have to say I do enjoy the colour.
Thank you for a balanced and reliable review as always! I thought the same about the clasp and having already got a Citizen Eco-Drive Calibre H820 with an incredibly well made bracelet and milled clasp, it would a downgrade in quality to get this watch, although its simplicity of use would be a massive improvement 😂
This watch have one major issue and it's lack of 100m WR it's only 50 and i don't understand why, it is not a dress watch it's more sporty with loom and bracelet which is well integrated so let me jump in to the pool, if i can't swim with sporty watch than what's the point? i will go for proper dress watch....
I have this watch in the yellow dial - I chose yellow over the Tiffany dial. A great watch, however, the crown is an absolutely HORRIBLE design for winding.
the only tsuyosa i want is the white one. Sadly, its never on sale and you have the pay way more then for the orange or black one ^^ Or i want one of the new pantone collection, but they are over 100 dollar more
It's a good looking watch, I really like the red dialled gold version, but can't get over the bracelet, i know it will be really comfy and will fit great on your wrist (very similar to the one on my devil diver) but it's the style of it, and not being able to swap it out. Great watch but not quite good enough, Cheers for another great review.
As someone who is (still) lusting over the the PRX, the Tsuyosa was kind of a swing and a miss to me. This video weirdly made me like it more 😂 I guess I just don't like when people are hyperbolic about anything
After very careful consideration, I got a 35mm PRX quartz. Just can’t justify £300 for an automatic and I prefer the sun burst dial. I’m very happy with it. With the £300 I saved I bought an Autonatics III.
In the U.K. You can purchase it at just over £200 if you dig down the internet rabbit hole. I personally thought it gained attention from the dial colours that really popped.
I have one, and although I like it, it hasn't by any means captured my heart. It's better than the PRX, but it wears thick for some reason, I find the crown difficult to manipulate, and I'm disappointed in the pressed clasp. I find myself grabbing the Maen Manhattan 37 far more often, but this completely replaced the PRX. Good, but not great, is my verdict.
In your opinion, not in mine though…budget watch is relative to, to people’s personal position and their perspective and in relation to other watches and prices but to label it the best budget watch of 2023 is not right
Hey Gary, I agree with most of the things you said. If you find it for the right price (poor Americans), it's a nice watch. But you really should have picked another colour. 50% of the charme of this one comes from the vibrant colours. Cheers
Its about $249 dollars in the USA for most colors. Its a good watch but not PRX good. But it is an alternative to it specially if you want a mechanical watch. The Prx is more than double the price. It is a budget watch after all
The crown is an absolute nightmare. I bought one and it looks nice enough. But the crown was a pain in the a** to the point that you can’t even wind the damn watch if you have big fingers like mine. My bracelet was also squeaky af. Sold it pretty quickly.
Hey Gary, thanks for the video as always 👍🏻 I just picked one up on a great price based off your review. At full price I would feel slightly underwhelmed but for almost half price it seems a lovely watch, shame about the unidirectional winding. It does have to be said though the crystal looks incredibly clear, perhaps its AR coating is responsible
My first watch was Tissot gentelman. Blue dial, quartz. I love it. A few watches later, i fell in love with the PRX, tried it on, and it felt really cheap. I am sorry, but the bracelet feels too light. The whole watch has this cheap filing. And the lug to lug is really to big for my wrist. The small one looks funny. So yeah, Rolex killer no, but PRX killer,...
Hey Gary. I don't quiet get the review. The title is negative but you are saying mostly positive things about this watch, from the finishing to the comfort in the wrist to the quality of the bracelet. I'm among the admirers, although there are some negative points that you forgot, one of which is the poor water resistance and the crown that most people absolutely hate (you did mention that but may of my viewers dislike it more than our own conclusions lead to believe and with reason). But besides from that this watch is almost at the same quality level as the Tissot PRX costing less than half and it's even cheaper than the quartz PRX. Indeed, in Europe you can have it from between 230 and 300 euros, which is an absolute bargain for such a popular, hyped watch. I would love someone to name something coming even close from a major manufacturer at this price point and with this level of hype. Therefore this timepiece punches way above its league, the new king of affordable hyped watches I guess 😂. All the best mate 👍
Got this for 240€ but i would've never payed more than 250 for this. Its a great looking watch with nice specs but it is not worth 300 pounds or 400 dollars
I think the watch is great and the specs may not be amazing as far as it’s comparison the bracelets is so comfortable. Lots of 200$ watches in seiko market you’d need to replace the bracelets.
i have a soft spot for pressed clasp inners.. i slipped on the stairs about 30 years ago and my TAG bracelet caught and broke a pine spindle slowing me down and although the clasp inner twisted and needed replacing (about $40 at a TAG service centre back in the day) something had to give and i'd rather it was the clasp not the bracelet and certainly not me!
If you want to avoid Chinese watches, the Tsuyosa still has very little competition: Automatic movement + sapphire crystal + a well known brand name + sub 250€ price point. Some Orients can offer similar value but other than that there aren't that many options. The obvious weaknesses of the Tsuyosa include the cheap clasp and the loud rotor. Other than that I've not had much to complain about and the yellow sunburst dial seems to gather quite a lot of positive comments.
Why would anyone want to avoid chinese watches? As a British person I want to avoid American watches. Fortunately it's easy to avoid all American goods, because America makes nothing and contributes less
Think that’s a pretty good review tbh. The comments about other reviews are maybe a bit unfair as it’s often a of click bate anyway. I would say you chose the most sterile dial colour, part of the draw with this piece are the colours. The bracelet is really good no idea how anyone could suggest otherwise. The finishing is excellent on the watch, personally citizen to me make better finished and better Q.c. Than seiko by quite a margin. You can get the watch £50-£100 cheaper than rrp, makes it a bargain to me. Personally I think it’s slightly too big, 38-39mm max. It just looks a bit chunky to me. 2mm too thick too. Citizen are so underrated, yes they make far too many different watches but they really make some of the best watches in the world too. The brand deserves much more love.
It’s a very budget friendly appealing combination of the daydate (bracelet) and the OP (dial, hour markers), But they missed it on a few things, spending the money for a viewing caseback vs a solid caseback and putting the $ in a better clasp was a mistake for citizen, the crown is not great, and the cyclops is terrible, so yes it’s a sub
Well, I bought one of these, and while it's not awful, it's not all that great either. The dial looks nice enough, but the lume is entirely useless. Citizen could do better. The 4 o'clock crown is difficult to use, and has no real advantage. The caseback protrudes well below the bottom of the lugs, so the watch stands much higher than it ought to. It's effectively too thick. The quality of the bracelet is fine, but I find the 5-part construction more blingy than I like. Overall it's just OK, and I don't wear it as much as I should, given the rather high price. I have a bunch (too many) of relatively inexpensive Seikos that I like better and wear more. Not to mention a few Chinese watches that offer much better specs and design for half the money.
The bright flat white dial is by far my favorite aspect of the watch. I just think it is a really pretty watch. It is a mechanical watch watch, with a sapphire crystal, and solid link bracelet for under $400 street price. I'm not going to lie, I really really like this watch.
I bought mine thinking it would be a good watch and I don't feel at all disappointed, but I think if I had bought it thinking it would be a great watch then I might of felt let down. I got the 88L with the dark blue fume style dial, a lightly textured granular look makes it a tad nicer for myself as well though that is very subjective. Good watch, happy with it, but not a great watch.
I quite like the orange dial version, and there are online Citizen ADs that sell it for significantly less than USD$ 500. Will definitely be picking one up eventually.
Cyclops windows are usually set to see the date when you tilt your wrist, and are therefore off centre. Many reviewers don't seem to understand this simple fact.
I have had my Tsuyosa for about a year and I think it is very solid for the money. I have a PRX, Tudor 1926, few Bulovas, etc. The PRX is a better watch all around than the citizen so I agree that people who make that claim are wrong. The clasp is the worst part of the watch by far. I feel if they were to just change that, the entire watch would feel better. The pressed clasp just makes you question other things more. The bracelet has some rattle to it but I think for the price it hits the mark. The one thing that has me curious is the hacking. Mine does not hack and it’s always bothered me about the watch. I have read they updated the movement, so I’m disappointed I have an older non-hacking version. Overall I think I paid $300 US and would call that a budget watch. I understand that line is different for everyone. I think your review is a very fair and honest one, so good work.
I'm really pleased with mine , I went for the yellow dial, comfy , running at 2 seconds per day , recently sold a Rolex Submariner 2020 which was gaining 5 , seconds per day , I will be getting the pale blue version next
I have this watch, got it on sale for $314 USD. I mainly bought it as a Summer watch, I got the light blue dial. Is it the greatest watch I’ve ever owned? Not even close. Is it a bad watch? No. Unfortunately some reviewers tend to over embellish and consequently and unfairly give this watch a bar it can never reach.
I have the watch and the power reserve has never exceeded 30 hours max. Also the spaces between the links are a bit bigger than most bracelets which isn't a great look. Other than those 2 complaints, it's a nice watch for the money.
Really nice watch..£100 too expensive but it's coming down after the hype..certainly not a prx killer but the powermatic 80 is £300 more so you only have a quartz to compare it with...that said, the yellow is stunning and the prx could do with a dash of bold colour tbf...get this and the quartz prx and be happy 😊 great review
to be fair it,s quite a nice looking watch ,although having bought a prx I would'nt get this as well .Perhaps if you had a choice between the two you could argue the case for buying this and another £300 watch instead of one prx.I think I will stick with my tissot
Recently I got my first automatic watch made by Jasnena Vlahova Design (jvd). It's a czech watch brand and gotta say it's a good watch. Sapphire glass too and runs without an issue. It's movement is seiko epson and I paid about roughly $250 and something
Do you generally think Citizen are poor quality? You kept saying you’re “surprised” when you realised it was an ok watch, like you were reviewing a Daniel Wellington 😂 Most owners as well as TH-camrs say Citizen are really good watches but guess you have had bad experiences in the past with this brand? That said I think this offering is overpriced with this particular movement and the lume is disappointing too.
I love it. Why? It is the essence of what my skx is. It is comfortable, looks good, is affordable (you van buy them for 250 bucks) and it's very versatile.
Paid £195 for mine as an ex shop display watch and am very happy with it. Generally I’ve found that Citizen’s are better built for the money than the equivalent Seiko, they don’t seem to suffer anywhere near the amount of misaligned bezels, hands etc
agreed, their quartz watches have well aligned seconds hands too
I don't agree. The Miyota 8 series movements they use in their entry level watches are pretty horrible. It's why the Ali Express brands tend to favour the NH35. It's a more refined movement
Casing-wise Citizen watches are the tad above Seiko (maybe) but paying anything more than $150for a watch with a $25 Miyota 8x movement in it seems like a ripoff of feebleminded rest of us.
@@indramatic
Well that argument can be applied to any watch. How much to do you think it costs to produce a Rolex submariner.
@@TerenceHughes4501Date-Just can't cost too much to build?
It's certainly a "hype watch". However if you are 100% objective and only look at the facts, then watch reviews would be a series of videos reading from a spec sheet. Subjective thoughts however make this whole thing we call watch collecting interesting, and reviewers have been giving it a thumbs up. If you look solely at specs, Pagani Design are the greatest watchmakers ever. And somehow I doubt many people would agree to that statement.
Yes, very true and handling the watch I can tell you it is good....not the new king but it is good....
If you believe the whole "everyone rips everyone else off" trope, Pagani very well may be the greatest watchmaker of all time, for economically democratizing art.
Agreed. Had the San Martin bb58, perfect specs. But to me very soulless.
Couple of points to consider.
1) Citizen hasn't pushed automatic watches outside of the Asian markets for sometime with the rest of the world having mostly EcoDrive offerings.
2) While not a direct homage of the DateJust it has some shared characteristics but more budget offering.
3) The polished folding clasp is typical for Citizen I have owned several and all of them that came on bracelet had a polished folding.
Overall it's a good offering and around 50% of the PRX automatic.
You get an automatic movement for the same price as a quartz PRX. I think it's a pretty decent deal, plenty of people are hesitant to buy a cheap Chinese watch, so another name-brand automatic in the under-$500 bracket is always good to see.
Citizen have been selling mechanical watches on the down low outside of Asia. Brand perception is very different in the west compared to Japan. Consumers don't really understand or appreciate tiering within the same brand and look down on Seiko and Citizen because of how cheap their lowest tier watches are.
Seiko took years of expensive marketing to chance perceptions and I would argue they have had limited success and only really in the collector community. Citizen has chosen to buy western brands instead.
@Justin.Franks I would rather have a good eta quartz than a miyota 8xxx series automatic. It is as bad as a mechanical movement gets.
Not sure why there was a lot of negativity about this one, looks pretty great to me, I like the bracelet on that, the rounded links look quite nice. I’m a sucker for white dials, definitely has op vibes which is why it has been described as a Rolex killer lol. Love a nice crisp white dial, this is a nice watch! Thanks Gary
I like the Tsuyosa. In my opinion it counts as a budged watch given it's from a major brand and offers sapphire crystal and a hacking automatic movement. Try and find a Seiko integrated bracelet sports watch with similar specs as at a similar price.
I have had mine now for about a year, and I am extremely pleased with it. Sure the crown is ridiculously small and the clasp is sub standard, but the rest of the watch is brilliant. It has that eye catching effect. I see on Chrono 24 they are selling at around $250.
I think a lot of people expect Tissot levels of finishing for the same price. What you do get is a decent retro design from a well respected manufacturer at an ok price, an automatic for a similar price to the PRX Quartz. When Seiko are charging similar prices for a design they've used for many years on their 5KX I don't think the Citizen is unreasonable. It's not for me though.
I don't get why people are comparing this with the PRX as the automatic version isn't at a comparable price point, more than double the RRP in fact. The Tsuyosa is a good option for those wanting a stylish and affordable automatic that will no doubt be durable and reliable. Tissot quality and value is not all it is cracked up to be and given the price difference you could actually buy both a Tsuyosa and a PRX quartz (more convincing than the automatic IMHO) for the same price as a PRX automatic.
@@paulc9588The Citizen automatic is at a similar price point to the Tissot quartz. The Tissot automatic is about double the price. All things considered, unless I just wanted a Tissot, I'd go with the Citizen in this case.
@@paulc9588Where I live the PRX Powermatic 80 runs around 17000-18000, while the Tsuyosa's are around 7000-8000
currency nevermind, don't want to reveal more
$225 USD total makes this a damn solid watch IMO. Only question is, what color to go with...
@@tonycamaj4560I agree. And it’s from a well-known brand which is cheaper than those San Martin homage watches from Aliexpress. I’m planning to buy the two tone option with the grey dial. 😊
I generally wear a Rolex Datejust 36 as an everyday watch and I honestly buy watches that look sharp and expensive on my wrist, so beauty matters a lot. If a watch elevates my looks and what I'm wearing, I'm happy.
For the price (budget price) there's nothing that looks as good as the Black Tsuyosa on my wrists.
It looks expensive, classy, youthful, sharp ... Way more than the Tissot PRX.
So as someone who isn't a watch nerd but appreciates beauty...this watch is really a winner and the best out there for the small price!! 😎👌
I own the PRX and also the faded Turquoise Citizen Tsuyosa. Worn the PRX once, can't put down my Tsuyosa . I hope i got my point across!
Very fair and accurate observations of this watch. I am more than pleased with my Tsuyosa (it has the pebbly blue dial). I had a PRX, but I like this better. The Powermatic80 in my PRX developed a helicopter rotor situation after having it for about 3 months (I also had a MIDO with a version of the Powermatic80, and it also developed the same issue), I sent it back to Tissot to be serviced and it took quite a while to come back. I picked up the Tusyosa around that time. I had both watches at the same time for month or so (and there were ample opportunities to compare them) and then when the Powermatic80 in the MIDO acted up, I sold both the MIDO and the PRX (and I'm guessing that it will be some time before I think about a Powermatic 80 movement again). When I had both the Tusyosa & the PRX, the Tsuyosa got more wrist time. For my wrist, It's more comfortable and I prefer the look of the bracelet to the flat link looks of the PRX. As for cost, Citizen has priced it at $450 here in the US , but I was able to get mine from Masters in Time for about $280. $450 is WAY too much for this watch lol. I could not agree with you more about the clasp on the otherwise nice bracelet. What in the world are they thinking? And the crown is a bit small and hard for my sausage like fingers to easily use. It's a pretty good watch for less than $300, but would not look at it for much more than that. My experience is as told above, YMMV.
I thought it wasn't sold in the US?
$225 USD total and it's a go, amirite?
@@tonycamaj4560 This post was 6 months ago, and at that time the colorway I purchased was not available from Citizen USA. I had to get it imported. It may well be available now, I really don't know. Citizen USA was selling 4 or 5 other colorways here at the time.
the prx is overhyped.
Seems like a case of managed expectations. For $250-280 I'd think this watch is great, and it can be had for that price. But $450 is right out. Thanks for the honest review!
One of my favorite watches! Finishing on mine was great! Dial color on these matter..... got yellow, one of the best. Love the fit on my 7.25 wrist. Bracelet is great. And regarding the price..... originally (and the one i got) the price for these were around 225 euros. They came to US market and price went up 🤦🏾♂️. Solid solid watch otherwise and always gets a compliment!
I would buy this one for £300 if it had the 9000 series movement.
With its current spec, £200 seems like a fair price.
Yeah that would be an interesting upgrade
Gary only praises San Martin homages :) In reality if you want a nice affordable watch (don't pay retail) and is not a blatant copy of something else this watch is great.
Hardly…I praise their original watches too 😂
Stumbled across this for just over £200 on a Spanish webshop very early on. Two dealkillers for me - the cyclops and the movement. Citizen EcoDrives are so good I cant buy one of their autos even at a lower price. Seiko have the cheap auto market sown up for me with the NH's
Several options on Amazon including the orange dial arguably the best at £229 pretty decent value at that I think better than equivalent Seikos which I own 🙁
I know it's JDM, but the Citizen NB1050 is superior in every way.
An overlooked gem of a watch.
I have the black dial and it is such a great watch, was even thinking about picking up the NB1060 white lacquer dial
@@shanephillips8735 Such a beauty! I was torn between that one and the white dial NB1050. I went for the latter because of the dress-down versatility the bracelet offered.
If you bought it you'd have the best of both worlds, as I'm pretty sure the bracelet/strap can be swapped between the two if you ever wanted to.
@@lefroy1 This is exactly my thinking, it'll happen sooner or later
@@lefroy1 ...and imagine how much you'd have to spend to get the Seiko equivalent.
@@shanephillips8735 Exactly! _THAT_ dial as well as the (Zaratsu polished) case is Grand Seiko territory IMO.
I got the yellow one and love it to bits
Faded Turquoise dial and it's gorgeous!
I got mine for less than $300. I do wish the clasp was nicer and the crown a little easier to use, but overall I’m very pleased with it. Not a horrible value imo.
clasp is an easy fix with an aliexpress milled clasp.
Apparently, I need to use more click bait titles for my videos and thumbnails. I was able to borrow a black dialed version for video presentation.
I some feel I need to as well…😂
It's a nice watch, but I definitely don't regret getting a PRX instead. The quartz dial is so underrated (and I found one new for only $220 because of it)
I’m not sure the comparison between the quartz prx and the tsuyosa works.
First couple of minutes just highlights that 99% of the internet is absolutely full of shit.
It’s an ok watch for the price, only if you can pay well below retail. It’s small on the wrist so if you lean towards a mid to large wrist it will look small. Finish is just ok and comfort is good. The bracelet punches above its weight and looks damn nice. All in all a good but not great watch if you can score one for a bargain well below retail. If I had to chose again I would pick the PRS as its bigger and better made. I have the light blue dial one and have to say I do enjoy the colour.
To be fair, we all ought to be grateful. My disposal spondoolas are safe with this one on offer. That’s £ 300 you could put toward a Helm, or a PRX.
agreed!
Thank you for a balanced and reliable review as always! I thought the same about the clasp and having already got a Citizen Eco-Drive Calibre H820 with an incredibly well made bracelet and milled clasp, it would a downgrade in quality to get this watch, although its simplicity of use would be a massive improvement 😂
I paid $250 for mine. Great watch in that category.
Telling it like it is keeping it real no bullxxxx thanks gary
Thank Michael
This watch have one major issue and it's lack of 100m WR it's only 50 and i don't understand why, it is not a dress watch it's more sporty with loom and bracelet which is well integrated so let me jump in to the pool, if i can't swim with sporty watch than what's the point? i will go for proper dress watch....
I have this watch in the yellow dial - I chose yellow over the Tiffany dial. A great watch, however, the crown is an absolutely HORRIBLE design for winding.
“It’s a Rolex killer … Really?!!” ROFL you crack me up Gary. Never change! 😊
Lol, glad you liked it
the only tsuyosa i want is the white one. Sadly, its never on sale and you have the pay way more then for the orange or black one ^^ Or i want one of the new pantone collection, but they are over 100 dollar more
It's a good looking watch, I really like the red dialled gold version, but can't get over the bracelet, i know it will be really comfy and will fit great on your wrist (very similar to the one on my devil diver) but it's the style of it, and not being able to swap it out. Great watch but not quite good enough, Cheers for another great review.
As someone who is (still) lusting over the the PRX, the Tsuyosa was kind of a swing and a miss to me. This video weirdly made me like it more 😂 I guess I just don't like when people are hyperbolic about anything
After very careful consideration, I got a 35mm PRX quartz. Just can’t justify £300 for an automatic and I prefer the sun burst dial. I’m very happy with it. With the £300 I saved I bought an Autonatics III.
In the U.K. You can purchase it at just over £200 if you dig down the internet rabbit hole. I personally thought it gained attention from the dial colours that really popped.
I have one, and although I like it, it hasn't by any means captured my heart. It's better than the PRX, but it wears thick for some reason, I find the crown difficult to manipulate, and I'm disappointed in the pressed clasp. I find myself grabbing the Maen Manhattan 37 far more often, but this completely replaced the PRX. Good, but not great, is my verdict.
I honestly think it's worth it if you manage to get one for around 200$.
Automatic, Tiffany blue, sapphire, presidential type bracelet for under £300 in my opinion is well worth it, got mine for £200 today brand new
Just got a blue one for $320 AUD on Black Friday sale, can’t fault it for that price 🎉
this IS a budget watch and it looks great. except for this white dial version
In your opinion, not in mine though…budget watch is relative to, to people’s personal position and their perspective and in relation to other watches and prices but to label it the best budget watch of 2023 is not right
Hi Gary. I have one , with yellow dial. Like it very much. But the crown is to small and the rotor makes a lot of noice Greetings from 🇪🇸
Hey Gary, I agree with most of the things you said. If you find it for the right price (poor Americans), it's a nice watch. But you really should have picked another colour. 50% of the charme of this one comes from the vibrant colours. Cheers
The Casio MTPB145D absolutely kills this for a budget integrated bracelet watch! Got mine today😅
Got mine today and the quality is awesome for $70.
But too small only 35mm
But too small only 35mm
Yuck
Well Gary, You've never steered Me wrong before.....and today?....no different lol... I do have a 'soft spot' for a Citizen tho....
Its about $249 dollars in the USA for most colors. Its a good watch but not PRX good. But it is an alternative to it specially if you want a mechanical watch. The Prx is more than double the price. It is a budget watch after all
The crown is an absolute nightmare. I bought one and it looks nice enough. But the crown was a pain in the a** to the point that you can’t even wind the damn watch if you have big fingers like mine. My bracelet was also squeaky af. Sold it pretty quickly.
i think this is one of the things that makes this watch unique , i like it .
Great show Gary..... Very similar to an old school Seiko 5 ???
My favorite Tsuyosa is the multi-colored Star Trek version.
Nice enough looking watch,IF its not priced too much! But it does remind me of the earlier original Seiko 5,s. Keep up the brilliant reviews Gary.
It is an attractive watch, the price is acceptable. It isn't Rolex quality, let's be honest. I like it, though 😊
Hey Gary, thanks for the video as always 👍🏻 I just picked one up on a great price based off your review. At full price I would feel slightly underwhelmed but for almost half price it seems a lovely watch, shame about the unidirectional winding. It does have to be said though the crystal looks incredibly clear, perhaps its AR coating is responsible
NB1050 all day long, around the same money, but waaaay better
It's nice enough, i suppose. But why bother putting an integrated bracelet on such a vanilla watch? I'd rather have options for this one.
Had mine for about a year , can't fault it beautiful looking watch very reliable from a reputable manufacturer
Plenty of beautiful watches for cheaper. Why pay more for a meh brand name?
Nice looking watch. The sapphire cyclops looks fine to me!
My first watch was Tissot gentelman. Blue dial, quartz. I love it. A few watches later, i fell in love with the PRX, tried it on, and it felt really cheap. I am sorry, but the bracelet feels too light. The whole watch has this cheap filing. And the lug to lug is really to big for my wrist. The small one looks funny.
So yeah, Rolex killer no, but PRX killer,...
Thanks for keeping it real (in all your videos) Gary 👍👍👍
Hey Gary. I don't quiet get the review. The title is negative but you are saying mostly positive things about this watch, from the finishing to the comfort in the wrist to the quality of the bracelet.
I'm among the admirers, although there are some negative points that you forgot, one of which is the poor water resistance and the crown that most people absolutely hate (you did mention that but may of my viewers dislike it more than our own conclusions lead to believe and with reason).
But besides from that this watch is almost at the same quality level as the Tissot PRX costing less than half and it's even cheaper than the quartz PRX.
Indeed, in Europe you can have it from between 230 and 300 euros, which is an absolute bargain for such a popular, hyped watch. I would love someone to name something coming even close from a major manufacturer at this price point and with this level of hype.
Therefore this timepiece punches way above its league, the new king of affordable hyped watches I guess 😂.
All the best mate 👍
Got this for 240€ but i would've never payed more than 250 for this. Its a great looking watch with nice specs but it is not worth 300 pounds or 400 dollars
I think the watch is great and the specs may not be amazing as far as it’s comparison the bracelets is so comfortable. Lots of 200$ watches in seiko market you’d need to replace the bracelets.
i have a soft spot for pressed clasp inners.. i slipped on the stairs about 30 years ago and my TAG bracelet caught and broke a pine spindle slowing me down and although the clasp inner twisted and needed replacing (about $40 at a TAG service centre back in the day) something had to give and i'd rather it was the clasp not the bracelet and certainly not me!
Holy crap, sounds very painful
@@ilikewatches I was for the spindle😀
Rolex used pressed clasps for decades, nothing wrong with them imo yet these days everyone moans how bad they are 😂
If you want to avoid Chinese watches, the Tsuyosa still has very little competition: Automatic movement + sapphire crystal + a well known brand name + sub 250€ price point. Some Orients can offer similar value but other than that there aren't that many options.
The obvious weaknesses of the Tsuyosa include the cheap clasp and the loud rotor. Other than that I've not had much to complain about and the yellow sunburst dial seems to gather quite a lot of positive comments.
😂 where to Japanese and Swiss watch brands have their cases and bracelets made….China 🤦🏻♂️
Why would anyone want to avoid chinese watches? As a British person I want to avoid American watches. Fortunately it's easy to avoid all American goods, because America makes nothing and contributes less
Seems very ordinary, I'd say a stuttering second hand sounds like a fault but I've heard a lot of them do it, not acceptable to me.
i got the yellow dial i wear it i like it... lovely summer watch each to their own
I would rather have this than the prx but I wouldn't pay full price. It's a solid watch that is about £100 too expensive.
I personally prefer the PRX but if you can get this watch for under £200 it is a great value good looking watch.
@@ilikewatches I just find the prx is a bit wide where the case meets the bracelet.
@waynesellers4078
You say it's £100 too expensive. So what mainstream high street brand offers a watch that is similar spec and costs about £200.
@@TerenceHughes4501 just wait for a sale, seiko does exactly the same thing and so does citizen on their divers
@@TerenceHughes4501 a quick search and I have found them from £60-100 off in different colours except the gradient dials.
It’s very nice but I don’t know about $400
Very fair review Gary👍👍 Unless the used prices are attractive I think I would prefer Jody's new watch!
Think that’s a pretty good review tbh. The comments about other reviews are maybe a bit unfair as it’s often a of click bate anyway.
I would say you chose the most sterile dial colour, part of the draw with this piece are the colours. The bracelet is really good no idea how anyone could suggest otherwise. The finishing is excellent on the watch, personally citizen to me make better finished and better Q.c. Than seiko by quite a margin. You can get the watch £50-£100 cheaper than rrp, makes it a bargain to me.
Personally I think it’s slightly too big, 38-39mm max. It just looks a bit chunky to me. 2mm too thick too.
Citizen are so underrated, yes they make far too many different watches but they really make some of the best watches in the world too. The brand deserves much more love.
It’s a very budget friendly appealing combination of the daydate (bracelet) and the OP (dial, hour markers),
But they missed it on a few things, spending the money for a viewing caseback vs a solid caseback and putting the $ in a better clasp was a mistake for citizen, the crown is not great, and the cyclops is terrible, so yes it’s a sub
Well, I bought one of these, and while it's not awful, it's not all that great either.
The dial looks nice enough, but the lume is entirely useless. Citizen could do better.
The 4 o'clock crown is difficult to use, and has no real advantage.
The caseback protrudes well below the bottom of the lugs, so the watch stands much higher than it ought to. It's effectively too thick.
The quality of the bracelet is fine, but I find the 5-part construction more blingy than I like.
Overall it's just OK, and I don't wear it as much as I should, given the rather high price.
I have a bunch (too many) of relatively inexpensive Seikos that I like better and wear more. Not to mention a few Chinese watches that offer much better specs and design for half the money.
The bright flat white dial is by far my favorite aspect of the watch. I just think it is a really pretty watch. It is a mechanical watch watch, with a sapphire crystal, and solid link bracelet for under $400 street price. I'm not going to lie, I really really like this watch.
Its a nice watch ,,,, to call it ''king'' is silly. I really like it in white , if it was a couple of mm's thinner it would be epic.
I came late to this review, but I do think they are some of my favourite watches of 2023. The are really beautiful.
Then what is the most appealing watch of 2023 for the price range. Please inform me.
There isn’t one, that’s the point…you can’t label a watch for everyone but there are certainly watches more deserving of that title than this one.
I bought mine thinking it would be a good watch and I don't feel at all disappointed, but I think if I had bought it thinking it would be a great watch then I might of felt let down. I got the 88L with the dark blue fume style dial, a lightly textured granular look makes it a tad nicer for myself as well though that is very subjective. Good watch, happy with it, but not a great watch.
I quite like the orange dial version, and there are online Citizen ADs that sell it for significantly less than USD$ 500. Will definitely be picking one up eventually.
Cyclops windows are usually set to see the date when you tilt your wrist, and are therefore off centre. Many reviewers don't seem to understand this simple fact.
I have had my Tsuyosa for about a year and I think it is very solid for the money. I have a PRX, Tudor 1926, few Bulovas, etc. The PRX is a better watch all around than the citizen so I agree that people who make that claim are wrong.
The clasp is the worst part of the watch by far. I feel if they were to just change that, the entire watch would feel better. The pressed clasp just makes you question other things more.
The bracelet has some rattle to it but I think for the price it hits the mark.
The one thing that has me curious is the hacking. Mine does not hack and it’s always bothered me about the watch. I have read they updated the movement, so I’m disappointed I have an older non-hacking version.
Overall I think I paid $300 US and would call that a budget watch. I understand that line is different for everyone. I think your review is a very fair and honest one, so good work.
I'm really pleased with mine , I went for the yellow dial, comfy , running at 2 seconds per day , recently sold a Rolex Submariner 2020 which was gaining 5 , seconds per day , I will be getting the pale blue version next
i got the yellow variant, looks stunning under direct sunlight
The stuttering seconds hand is so dumb and cheap looking. What did they save, 2 pennies per unit by doing that? So lame.
I have this watch, got it on sale for $314 USD. I mainly bought it as a Summer watch, I got the light blue dial. Is it the greatest watch I’ve ever owned? Not even close. Is it a bad watch? No. Unfortunately some reviewers tend to over embellish and consequently and unfairly give this watch a bar it can never reach.
more like some reviewers tend to have a stick up their arse
I have the watch and the power reserve has never exceeded 30 hours max. Also the spaces between the links are a bit bigger than most bracelets which isn't a great look. Other than those 2 complaints, it's a nice watch for the money.
Really nice watch..£100 too expensive but it's coming down after the hype..certainly not a prx killer but the powermatic 80 is £300 more so you only have a quartz to compare it with...that said, the yellow is stunning and the prx could do with a dash of bold colour tbf...get this and the quartz prx and be happy 😊 great review
I liked it very much and bought one. I don't care about the bad reviews. Citizen Tsuyosa did a good job.👌
I’ve just ordered mine on a discount from H Samuel. Getting the black one at just £143. Now eagerly waiting for its arrival :)
to be fair it,s quite a nice looking watch ,although having bought a prx I would'nt get this as well .Perhaps if you had a choice between the two you could argue the case for buying this and another £300 watch instead of one prx.I think I will stick with my tissot
Recently I got my first automatic watch made by Jasnena Vlahova Design (jvd). It's a czech watch brand and gotta say it's a good watch. Sapphire glass too and runs without an issue. It's movement is seiko epson and I paid about roughly $250 and something
I love the simplicity of the watch
It is pretty....I like it more than I thought I would
If they either made these 36mm and slimmed them up a bit, or used the miyota 8285 daydate movement, these could have been a lot nore special.
@@Makingnewnamesisdumb go buy a ladies watch girly
@@scottslater-nb5ch just because you can wear a larger watch doesn't mean you should. Watches are starting to trend smaller again for good reasons.
This goes back to the video on your other channel. Reviewers selling their integrity to the highest biggers. Again, thanks for your honest opinions.
My pleasure.....glad you enjoy and appreciate my content!
I love mine, the only complaints are the price I paid, and the crown is a little small for my digits, but I love the way it looks!
Do you generally think Citizen are poor quality? You kept saying you’re “surprised” when you realised it was an ok watch, like you were reviewing a Daniel Wellington 😂 Most owners as well as TH-camrs say Citizen are really good watches but guess you have had bad experiences in the past with this brand? That said I think this offering is overpriced with this particular movement and the lume is disappointing too.
It's a good, not great, entry level automatic that is saved by some great color options. I'm getting the yellow one solely because it looks cool.
Over priced Walmart watch. I like the watch at $90.00..
I love it. Why? It is the essence of what my skx is. It is comfortable, looks good, is affordable (you van buy them for 250 bucks) and it's very versatile.
waiting for quartz version for reliability and ease of use
I think it’s a very nice watch. I might even get one in the future but probably not the”King.” Thanks for the honest review!
Thank you so much for this 🙏🏻👌🏻. It is overhyped.
VERY!!!! but thankfully not by all reviewers, some reviews were balanced and fair I think.