I don't get why Citizen didn't release these 2-3 years ago. It's like they finally understand that people will buy stylish Citizen automatics with a Miyota movement but still... they move at a glacial pace in the market.
The big Japanese brands probably have a committee to discuss the committee that establishes which committee's designs are produced. They all seem to move as slowly as each other. How long did it take Casio to produce a full metal CasiOak? 2.5 years?
All the new batches for the Citizen Tsuyosa now have hacking. They either updated the 8210 movement or are using the 8215 and are still labelling it the 8210. From Jomashop for $199 USD. Most comfortable watch I've worn and that dial just pops in any amount of light you give it. For me it wears, performs and looks better than the PRX and I'm a huge fan of the PRX.
I think they are both great. I have the Tissot PRX Powermatic 80 in mint green and the Citizen Tsuyosa small seconds in Blue. Both excellent and 2 different looks. I get kudos on both.
I would’ve paid a hundred more for the 9000 series Myota(28,800 BPH thinner, and quieter) a slightly better clasp and 100 m of water resist… thanks for the great review Jody
I have the yellow colorway and it's a beautiful, very comfortable watch. I agree with Jody that the crown is a bit of a pain, but nothing that can't be overcome. It's one of the few watches I have that actually gets noticed, and I'm very pleased with it. Great review!!
I do own both! I have the Teal Green Tsuyosa, and the Black Dial PRX Powermatic 80. I think the bracelet on the Tsuyosa was much better than the PRX. I got way too much overhang with the PRX bracelet, so I replaced it with a rubber strap, and it wears much better now. Throw in the fact that the PRX has a butterfly deployant clasp, and I just was not able to get a good fit for it. I had NO issues getting a perfect fit with the Tsuyosa bracelet. Thanks for the comparison video!
The president bracelet doesn't really suit the Citizen. They should have gone with a flat link bracelet like the PRX. I wouldn't get either - I might have been born in the 70's but that doesn't mean I want a watch that looks like it comes from that decade.
The newer production run of this watch actually hack. A few weeks ago I was at a Citizen AD and I checked it myself, side to side, how their older stock does NOT hack while the newer stock DO hack.
I rather reluctantly bought a PRX Powermatic 80 a few months ago, 40mm with the emerald green dial... it was just too cheap to pass up. But when I opened the box I was instantly smitten, it's definitely one of my all-time favorites. One of the reasons I was hesitant is the lack of micro adjust on the bracelet... Fortunately I got lucky and my PRX fits great.
Having tried both watches, I feel the PRX is still a notch higher in terms of finishing. However the Citizen did fit my wrist much better than the PRX.
I've had exactly the same one for a few months and out of the box it said + 6sec/day As I am obsessed with accuracy I therefore regulated it and obtained + 1sec/day... which seems acceptable to me 😀 Very nice watch and first Citizen automatic added to my collection Note: mine has hacking (latest release)
I bought mine (blue textured dial) from Germany, delivered to the UK before that version was available here. Hacking was standard on mine. Absolutely love it! Running at +13 out of the box, regulated to +-1 second per day with little effort now 😊
Hrmm... I prefer the dials on the quartz PRX watches to those square textured dials on the autos. I have the dark blue PRX quartz and... I don't quite love it. I also have the previous PR100, also unimaginatively with the dark blue dial. They are just a bit more dressy than I usually prefer and I definitely don't love the lack of micro adjust on the PRX but until I eat a few more burritos, mine fits me basically perfectly. For me, the PRX is all about that bracelet. It looks magnificent as you do your wrist roll, esp in the sunlight. Those polished bits just visually jump. I do think I slightly prefer the case finishing details on the CItizen and do like that yellow dial, esp if one wears it as a casual watch rather than a dress watch but that's not enough to sway me from the PRX. I reckon the integrated bracelet look is why one buys the PRX or the Tsuyosa so the better bracelet on the PRX trumps the better case details of the Citizen for me. Having said that, that's entirely too logical of a decision making method... I don't think either option here is bad.
I actually have both watches from the video. Went with the Quartz PRX as well and "Tiffany" blue Tsuyosa. At first I wanted PRX Powermatic, but then Tsuyosa was released and I figured I might as well get 2 watches for the same money, with one of them being automatic too. :D So I bought PRX for the looks and Tsuyosa for everything else, love them both!
@@Azzamilano In terms of quality, PRX for sure. I'm not sure there is any better bracelet for under $1k. You won't make mistake. Both are great watches, but finishing is better on PRX.
I much prefer the proportions of the Tsuyosa to the PRX. The PRX is too slab-like for my tastes. And i prefer the Citizen also because, well, its not the PRX!
Better? No. It's as good as the PRX. That yellow dial is spectacular. I'd love to find one in new/never owned condition. I'd buy it. Great video Jody 👍
@@Jon-ho5tk Aw sick! I imported one internationally -- knowing that I'd pay more to get one earlier than my friends -- but it's well worth $270 ... Nice find!
Как только появится ТИССОТ ,я сходил померил и он мне показался огромным и неудобным. Ситизен в руках не держал, но мне кажется он действительно будет смотреться на запястье лучше...👍
Hi Jody, Got mine late as well from a local watchmaker. I’m glad Citizen put a better movement with hacking second into the last batch of watches. Maybe it’s a 8215 now. Would be nice to have 100m of water resistant. But overall it’s a nice summer watch. Best wishes, Claus
I’ve got a Tsuyosa with the pebble dark blue dial. It wasn’t available from Citizen in the USA so I bought it from a European retailer. It was a little less than $300 US all in (but the actual total eludes me at the moment). The crown is a PITA, but not totally unusable. This one has a hacking movement. I had a PRX automatic, but after a few months, the watch needed to be sent back for warranty service (the movement developed what my dealer called”helicopter rotor“, a fairly common issue with the powermatic80). When it came back, I was pretty much over it so I sold it. Comparing the 2 pieces, I’d say the PRX was better than the Tsuyosa in 2 areas - the 80 hour power reserve and the clasp on the bracelet (the Tsuyosa’s clasp is not nice, it works but that about all you can say about it lol). I prefer pretty much everything else about the Tsuyosa over the PRX automatic which is why the PRX is gone and I have a Tsuyosa in my rotation
The PRX is definitely worth the money for the bracelet alone. Yeah I can’t figure out why this watch isn’t “officially” sold in the U.S. It’s definitely a good budget alternative, but this is one of those watches where if you really want the PRX, I would save up a little bit more and get the PRX. Better late than never! Thanks!
@@timcarlstrand5890 Haven't seen the Twelve in person, but I've owned several Chris Wards over the years and all have impressed me. Was tempted, even though I already have the PRX and the Tsuyosa 😇
Concerning the 50m WR: if one actually reads the manual (I did it so you don't have to): it's fine to take the watch for a swim. Concerning the hacking function: some movements already have it added, some don't. Miyota is about to upgrade the movement these days. It's just luck which one you get.
I'd prefer the Citizen... don't like the PRX. Like the bracelet on this one over the other Citizen NH8391-51Z you reviewed, but like that style better then this one.
50m wr is a deal breaker. My mrs wears her prx swimming, at the beach, in the sea or by the pool. U aren’t going to be able to do this with the citizen.
Obvious aesthetic differences aside, holding both in hand there's nothing about the PRX that feels its price. The Tsuyosa is fine but it does remind you that you're wearing a $300 watch. That said, you can't argue with the value or the looks and that yellow plated model with the red fume dial is an absolute stunner.
Nice review. That’s the one I got - that color really gets attention. The only negative is the crown - it’s a struggle to get out. It’s well worth the money.
Since I own a blue sunburst Tsuyosa, I can only agree with your assessments. Thinking about swapping my blue against the one with the textured dial… I wish the Citizen would have 10 bar WR and better lume but that’s about it. In regards to the movement, it appears to be that they used non hacking Miyotas in the beginning but now they use hacking ones, mine hacks given only after a movement swap by Citizen. But more and more reports are popping up about hacking Tsuyosas… Wouldn’t surprise me, that if you went for a new colourway, those Pantone ones, you would get a hacking variant.
This is the sort of watch i would have preferred to have seen in quartz with 50-100 bucks aussie off the tag. Dont feel like messing with that crown with my big clumsy digits too often 😅 Or same price with quality improvements and then come in higher with a 9000 series movement, like the prx has done with the two pricing levels. It's obviously a winning formula with the right design.
Another worthy PRX alternative is the Casio Edifice EFB-108. Sure, it’s quartz, but for the sub-100 USD retail price you usually find, it’s impressive. Sapphire, 100m WR, signed crown, beautiful flat-link integrated bracelet. Only Black and light steel (it isn’t really white), so not a lot of color ways to pick from. And it’s a bit larger, tho the listed dimensions are measured differently from most listed dial dimensions. But all together, I think it offers a lot. For a price this low, the specs and finishing are fantastic. A great affordable alternative for integrated bracelet watches.
The Tsuyosa bracelet is horrible, not ok, it is just horrible. It’s the most cheap feeling bracelet, I have ever touched. Even some Casio ones feel more premium compared to it. I don’t understand that no reviewer is pointing this out.
Defo prefer the Tsuyosa especially because it has most of the features of the PRX P80 at less than half the price. That being said i would have preferred a smaller case for this, it seems like it might be a bit too big for my 6 inch wrist.
Pretty much agree with your entire analysis Jody, I have both and whilst similar, they are quite different in the wearing. Is the auto Tissot worth twice the Tsuyosa? Nope, but I'm happy to have both. The Citizen is a little more fun, the PRX a little more sedate.
Both watches are vastly overhyped and offer very poor value for the money: Tsuyosa (min. €250): - only 50m water resistance - pressed clasp - push-pull crown (without guard!) - no hacking - cheap flat dial without raised chapter ring - terrible lume PRX (min. €350): - super-annoying butterfly clasp - sloppy automatic movement - sloppy hand/marker alignment - snap-on case back - push-pull crown (without guard)
I am more like a grab and go with my watches. Thats why I left the automatic watch world behind. I love this citizen, but I would go with ecodrive! Yellow or green!
I tried that citizen one on, bracelet looks a feels cheap and nasty. OK I'm coming to this debate from a different angle and would love to see a video (if that's what they are still called?) on it. BRACELETS...no not watches but bracelets on watches or to be more specific CLASPS. It still baffles me how bad they are, even on expensive watches. If I spent 1-10k on a car I'd want the door to shut properly (no gaping gaps). Yet on a wrist most makers just can't get it right. 2 or 3 micro instead of 5 or 6. No on the fly or it there is its only 3 holes worth of adjusting. I mean really! It's not rocket science or very expensive. We are not asking for a new movement. Just a flush fitting (no gaping gaps again) fully adjustable clasp. It makes me want to start making watches just to sort this out!
Very weird seeing the Japanese Citizen in an automatic, and the Swiss Tissot in Quartz. (A battery operated one at that). I'd love to add a Tissot to my collection, but IMHO the Citizen here is by far a better value.
You speak of Lumibrite as it's in the same league as this garbage lume. Mid range Seiko's lume is even better than high end Swiss watches. I was watching a lume comparison video between BB58 and Seiko, and Seiko lume outlasted BB58 by a long shot.
I would not call the tsuyosa a budget watch. Maybe to someone who owns tudors and omegas but $300 is not a cheap watch to most people. It’s overpriced mediocrity. I paid $159 for a Promaster with better specs.
Somehow Tsuyosa fits way better on my wrist compared to the PRX, eventhough they are very similar in style. Tsuyosa is just a bit rounder and less boxy than the PRX.
Nice one Jody! All these models are available in Turkey and priced from $365 to a massive $420 depending on the seller. I doubt if anyone buys at the higher price and all colours are priced exactly the same. It's backed by the Citizen authorized dealer here so they have the full guarantee. I had the PRX and as well as missing the markers it didn't really catch me so I wouldn't buy this either. Great thing about the big brand watch warranty offices in Istanbul, they're all literally next door to each other and a 15 minute ferry boat ride away so at least it's easy if there's a problem!
Won't buy another after Citizen after they wanted well over half the cost of the watch to replace a cracked screen, actual cost of the screen was about £25 pounds, they wanted to charge me 6 times that to remove the case and internals. i had 3 Citizens, now moved them on.
only dislike the “president” bracelet. and it’s too rounded, not coherent to the squared angular aesthetics of the watch case 😢 a near miss in my opinion
being in singapore . i got this way earlier than most people internationally around 2022 or late 2021 when the first colour waves are available internationally (and much lesser colour variants earlier on ) . the only downside in my opinion are the WR, and lume. plus those with smaller wrist need to be wary the dial may look too big for small wrist people. as remember this is 40mm watch without DIVE BEZEL! and the simple round look at 40mm might look too big for people used to 34 or 36mm rolex datejust or date
I've got the NJ0151-88X (teal fumee colourway) and am very happy with it. Lots of folks have positively commented on the beautiful dial. No issues with the time keeping, however as it's in rotation the crown is indeed a pain in the a$$ to use. I actually used the micro adjust and got a perfect fit, so those extra few mm make a world of difference. The best thing.... I bought it new from amazon with £60 off the mrrp! Sadly it's now back to £300 though.
HELLOOOOOO, and Welcome to Just One More Comment! 😁 Is the Citizen better? NO! It is a good value however. I think the PRX is too! It is better built, Swiss, better movement, and has a much nicer bracelet (that fits me perfectly with a smaller link removed)…and the bracelet is uniquely styled to the case as an integrated bracelet should be, not a cheap President knock off pulled from the parts bin that is a stylistic mismatch to the case. Is a PRX Powermatic 80 worth the premium? Sure it is…the same way a Nautilus or a Royal Oak come with super-premium pricing over a PRX as integrated bracelet offerings. If you value the style, quality, pedigree…whatever floats your boat…it’s your money and your enjoyment. The good news is YOU have OPTIONS. So I applaud Citizen and Tissot for that.
I love Citizen. At the moment I own 24 watches and 6 of them are from Citizen (it is the brand I have more watches from). They are incredible value. I mean...you want an affordable ISO certified diver for 200ish bucks? Ny0040. You want an iconic dive watch with diving computer capabilities for 300ish? The JP2000. You want an affordable integrated bracelet watch with sapphire? Here you have the Tsuyosa. You want an iconic bullhead chrono? They have plenty. A GADA watch for 400ish? The NB1050 with sapphire, duratect. 4hz movement, milled clasp, pins and collars, etc. An affordable GMT in eco-drive? Plenty. I could go on....to me they are the best value per money watch brand out there. Seiko is long gone as the value king, now offering dive watches with cheap clasps and subpar crystals at 500bucks or more.
I'm confused about the movement. While in Jody's video it is clearly marked 8210 (two places), the Miyota website has no entry for that number (that I could find). Is the 8210 actually just an "8215 Gilt" which indeed is in their catalog, What gives? (not that there's anything wrong with the 8215 besides noisy winding. Bulletproof.)
I don't get why Citizen didn't release these 2-3 years ago. It's like they finally understand that people will buy stylish Citizen automatics with a Miyota movement but still... they move at a glacial pace in the market.
The big Japanese brands probably have a committee to discuss the committee that establishes which committee's designs are produced. They all seem to move as slowly as each other. How long did it take Casio to produce a full metal CasiOak? 2.5 years?
@@JustOneMoreWatch hahaha I think you’re spot on there
@@JustOneMoreWatchdid you check with the committee on comments before posting this? 😮
To be fair they had the C7 which was pretty cool.
It was ok, but i wished it was smaller
All the new batches for the Citizen Tsuyosa now have hacking. They either updated the 8210 movement or are using the 8215 and are still labelling it the 8210. From Jomashop for $199 USD.
Most comfortable watch I've worn and that dial just pops in any amount of light you give it. For me it wears, performs and looks better than the PRX and I'm a huge fan of the PRX.
True my dual tone has hacking
I think they are both great. I have the Tissot PRX Powermatic 80 in mint green and the Citizen Tsuyosa small seconds in Blue. Both excellent and 2 different looks. I get kudos on both.
I have both. The PRX has a better bracelet and the Citizen has a better dial. Both are worth owning IMO.
I would’ve paid a hundred more for the 9000 series Myota(28,800 BPH thinner, and quieter) a slightly better clasp and 100 m of water resist… thanks for the great review Jody
@@dado380yeah, but it's way more expensive!
Then the Citizen NB1050 should be the one you looking for.
Is The Citizen Tsuyosa Better Than The Tissot PRX? I compared both. The Citizen is visibly manufactured to a higher quality.
I have the yellow colorway and it's a beautiful, very comfortable watch. I agree with Jody that the crown is a bit of a pain, but nothing that can't be overcome. It's one of the few watches I have that actually gets noticed, and I'm very pleased with it. Great review!!
I love Citizen, and I’m happy to see them getting some attention. A little disappointed this isn’t your watch’s debut. That’s for the great content.
Two weeks! Not 24 hours....
@@JustOneMoreWatch I know, I’m just impatient!
@@JustOneMoreWatchI thought 14 hours. ( ͡ᵔ ͜ʖ ͡ᵔ )
Integrated bracelets are always a sticking point for me; whether it’s replacing/ repairing them or a style thing
I do own both! I have the Teal Green Tsuyosa, and the Black Dial PRX Powermatic 80. I think the bracelet on the Tsuyosa was much better than the PRX. I got way too much overhang with the PRX bracelet, so I replaced it with a rubber strap, and it wears much better now. Throw in the fact that the PRX has a butterfly deployant clasp, and I just was not able to get a good fit for it. I had NO issues getting a perfect fit with the Tsuyosa bracelet. Thanks for the comparison video!
The president bracelet doesn't really suit the Citizen. They should have gone with a flat link bracelet like the PRX. I wouldn't get either - I might have been born in the 70's but that doesn't mean I want a watch that looks like it comes from that decade.
I like the bracelet though. The only gripe on this citizen is their humbly tiny crown, which often causes difficulty for me to hand-wind...
The newer production run of this watch actually hack. A few weeks ago I was at a Citizen AD and I checked it myself, side to side, how their older stock does NOT hack while the newer stock DO hack.
Different movement?
I just checked mine. Says 8120 and has hacking
I’m a citizen AD, these are launching in the U.S. later this fall
I rather reluctantly bought a PRX Powermatic 80 a few months ago, 40mm with the emerald green dial... it was just too cheap to pass up. But when I opened the box I was instantly smitten, it's definitely one of my all-time favorites. One of the reasons I was hesitant is the lack of micro adjust on the bracelet... Fortunately I got lucky and my PRX fits great.
Having tried both watches, I feel the PRX is still a notch higher in terms of finishing. However the Citizen did fit my wrist much better than the PRX.
I've had exactly the same one for a few months and out of the box it said + 6sec/day
As I am obsessed with accuracy I therefore regulated it and obtained + 1sec/day... which seems acceptable to me 😀
Very nice watch and first Citizen automatic added to my collection
Note: mine has hacking (latest release)
Mine hacks too
I bought mine (blue textured dial) from Germany, delivered to the UK before that version was available here. Hacking was standard on mine. Absolutely love it! Running at +13 out of the box, regulated to +-1 second per day with little effort now 😊
Great Video, i love this yellow dial, thanks and rewards here from Argentina, RAUL BERNARDI WATCHES
Not really integrated is it. Bracelet looks very separate from the case. So just a very small lug width.
In my opinion the PRX is much better manufactured. The quality feels very solid.
While the Citizen is more like an "ok" .
Hrmm... I prefer the dials on the quartz PRX watches to those square textured dials on the autos. I have the dark blue PRX quartz and... I don't quite love it. I also have the previous PR100, also unimaginatively with the dark blue dial. They are just a bit more dressy than I usually prefer and I definitely don't love the lack of micro adjust on the PRX but until I eat a few more burritos, mine fits me basically perfectly. For me, the PRX is all about that bracelet. It looks magnificent as you do your wrist roll, esp in the sunlight. Those polished bits just visually jump. I do think I slightly prefer the case finishing details on the CItizen and do like that yellow dial, esp if one wears it as a casual watch rather than a dress watch but that's not enough to sway me from the PRX. I reckon the integrated bracelet look is why one buys the PRX or the Tsuyosa so the better bracelet on the PRX trumps the better case details of the Citizen for me. Having said that, that's entirely too logical of a decision making method... I don't think either option here is bad.
Value? Mabey. Quality and specs? Humbly not a chance. Great watch tho
Idk for my 250 I'm buying a san martin
If this had a better clasp, better crown and no cyclops I would buy it
Apparently they updated the movement because mine hacks, just got the light blue one for Christmas
I actually have both watches from the video. Went with the Quartz PRX as well and "Tiffany" blue Tsuyosa. At first I wanted PRX Powermatic, but then Tsuyosa was released and I figured I might as well get 2 watches for the same money, with one of them being automatic too. :D So I bought PRX for the looks and Tsuyosa for everything else, love them both!
In terms of construction quality which one do you prefer? I love both and I am hesitating between the two blue dial versions automatic
@@Azzamilano In terms of quality, PRX for sure. I'm not sure there is any better bracelet for under $1k. You won't make mistake. Both are great watches, but finishing is better on PRX.
I much prefer the proportions of the Tsuyosa to the PRX. The PRX is too slab-like for my tastes. And i prefer the Citizen also because, well, its not the PRX!
Better? No. It's as good as the PRX. That yellow dial is spectacular. I'd love to find one in new/never owned condition. I'd buy it. Great video Jody 👍
They're quite easy to find new?!
Jared Jewelery store online $270
@@Jon-ho5tk Aw sick! I imported one internationally -- knowing that I'd pay more to get one earlier than my friends -- but it's well worth $270 ... Nice find!
I own NJ0151-88L, love the dial with additional texture. Thanks Jody for the review!
I bought the Tiffany dial and it’s lovely 👍🏴❤️
Swatch group quartz movements typically stink. They don't hit the markers and they bounce. My Hamilton flieger day/date quartz drives me insane...
Как только появится ТИССОТ ,я сходил померил и он мне показался огромным и неудобным. Ситизен в руках не держал, но мне кажется он действительно будет смотреться на запястье лучше...👍
Try out a Tissot PRX in 35mm, you may be surprised
@@razvy79 Probably, but I like the citizen better, purely visually. Although I prefer size 43 and larger.
Check out their new Pantone dial colors. Very bright and attractive.
Hi Jody,
Got mine late as well from a local watchmaker. I’m glad Citizen put a better movement with hacking second into the last batch of watches. Maybe it’s a 8215 now.
Would be nice to have 100m of water resistant. But overall it’s a nice summer watch.
Best wishes,
Claus
better, I don't know, but it does look better to me
I’ve got a Tsuyosa with the pebble dark blue dial. It wasn’t available from Citizen in the USA so I bought it from a European retailer. It was a little less than $300 US all in (but the actual total eludes me at the moment). The crown is a PITA, but not totally unusable. This one has a hacking movement. I had a PRX automatic, but after a few months, the watch needed to be sent back for warranty service (the movement developed what my dealer called”helicopter rotor“, a fairly common issue with the powermatic80). When it came back, I was pretty much over it so I sold it. Comparing the 2 pieces, I’d say the PRX was better than the Tsuyosa in 2 areas - the 80 hour power reserve and the clasp on the bracelet (the Tsuyosa’s clasp is not nice, it works but that about all you can say about it lol). I prefer pretty much everything else about the Tsuyosa over the PRX automatic which is why the PRX is gone and I have a Tsuyosa in my rotation
Although pretty, I'd MUCH rather spend my money on YOUR watches, Jody!!! Congrats again, Jody! 🍻🎉🤜🤛
The PRX is definitely worth the money for the bracelet alone. Yeah I can’t figure out why this watch isn’t “officially” sold in the U.S. It’s definitely a good budget alternative, but this is one of those watches where if you really want the PRX, I would save up a little bit more and get the PRX. Better late than never! Thanks!
Geo-fencing releases is just generally stupid: One world; one market.
If you're saving you might as well continue until you can get the Twelve
@@timcarlstrand5890 True true.
@@halfsourlizard9319Well I heard Jody was going to initially release his Micro Brand just to Scotland, but Mr. P talked him out of it. 😅
@@timcarlstrand5890 Haven't seen the Twelve in person, but I've owned several Chris Wards over the years and all have impressed me. Was tempted, even though I already have the PRX and the Tsuyosa 😇
Concerning the 50m WR:
if one actually reads the manual (I did it so you don't have to): it's fine to take the watch for a swim.
Concerning the hacking function:
some movements already have it added, some don't. Miyota is about to upgrade the movement these days. It's just luck which one you get.
I'd prefer the Citizen... don't like the PRX.
Like the bracelet on this one over the other Citizen NH8391-51Z you reviewed, but like that style better then this one.
Citizen series 8 batman is the watch of the year,it looks spectacular.
The Tissot is so beautiful. Thanks for making this video, mate. Greetings from Adelaide.
One of the very few watch TH-camrs who pronounce “Tsuyosa” correctly. And, this watch is stunning.
Well done, Jody! 🙏
"Just in time for the Summer"...RUB IT IN, Mr Southern Hemisphire!!!!!!
50m wr is a deal breaker. My mrs wears her prx swimming, at the beach, in the sea or by the pool. U aren’t going to be able to do this with the citizen.
50m is fine for everything you have described, but I agree it is below the psychological comfort zone of 100m. Cheers!
Looks nicer with better proportions, the PRX has always seemed overrated to me and the date window on it is undersized and looks out of place.
Totally agree.
Date window is perfect👌, the cyclops looks like an afterthought, and ugly vort on all watches🤮
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Obvious aesthetic differences aside, holding both in hand there's nothing about the PRX that feels its price. The Tsuyosa is fine but it does remind you that you're wearing a $300 watch. That said, you can't argue with the value or the looks and that yellow plated model with the red fume dial is an absolute stunner.
They make a very similar model without the integrated bracelet and a 9011 movement
NB1050-59
Nice review. That’s the one I got - that color really gets attention. The only negative is the crown - it’s a struggle to get out. It’s well worth the money.
Since I own a blue sunburst Tsuyosa, I can only agree with your assessments.
Thinking about swapping my blue against the one with the textured dial…
I wish the Citizen would have 10 bar WR and better lume but that’s about it.
In regards to the movement, it appears to be that they used non hacking Miyotas in the beginning but now they use hacking ones, mine hacks given only after a movement swap by Citizen.
But more and more reports are popping up about hacking Tsuyosas…
Wouldn’t surprise me, that if you went for a new colourway, those Pantone ones, you would get a hacking variant.
This is the sort of watch i would have preferred to have seen in quartz with 50-100 bucks aussie off the tag. Dont feel like messing with that crown with my big clumsy digits too often 😅
Or same price with quality improvements and then come in higher with a 9000 series movement, like the prx has done with the two pricing levels. It's obviously a winning formula with the right design.
Another worthy PRX alternative is the Casio Edifice EFB-108. Sure, it’s quartz, but for the sub-100 USD retail price you usually find, it’s impressive. Sapphire, 100m WR, signed crown, beautiful flat-link integrated bracelet. Only Black and light steel (it isn’t really white), so not a lot of color ways to pick from. And it’s a bit larger, tho the listed dimensions are measured differently from most listed dial dimensions.
But all together, I think it offers a lot. For a price this low, the specs and finishing are fantastic. A great affordable alternative for integrated bracelet watches.
That Casio is not an alternative, it is just a straight up better watch than PRX.
@@TomasWatchReviews I mean... there are some cool PRX colorways, and some folks prefer automatic... but like... I own the Casio and not a PRX. ;)
Different prices for a different paint colour..... just NO.
Integrated bracelet..... no...
pressed clamp on a 300 euro watch.... disgraceful
The Tsuyosa bracelet is horrible, not ok, it is just horrible. It’s the most cheap feeling bracelet, I have ever touched. Even some Casio ones feel more premium compared to it. I don’t understand that no reviewer is pointing this out.
Wow. I honestly don't think it's that bad. Feels quite hefty to me.
@@JustOneMoreWatch HEFTY???
Either they gave me a fake one in the store or we have different definitions of “hefty”. It is super light and thin.
Defo prefer the Tsuyosa especially because it has most of the features of the PRX P80 at less than half the price.
That being said i would have preferred a smaller case for this, it seems like it might be a bit too big for my 6 inch wrist.
It now release in Aussie AD . 😊
The Citizen looks more premium.
I would want the Citizen with the Tissot bracelet.
I like both watches, but prefer the Tissot for the 100 meter water resistance and 3 o'clock crown.
Much better than the Tissot which looks considerably boxy by comparison. But the yellow dial catching my eye at the moment is the new SKX GMT.
The boxiness is the whole point of the Tissot along with the bracelet. It's a discount AP Royal Oak
Pretty much agree with your entire analysis Jody, I have both and whilst similar, they are quite different in the wearing. Is the auto Tissot worth twice the Tsuyosa? Nope, but I'm happy to have both. The Citizen is a little more fun, the PRX a little more sedate.
Both watches are vastly overhyped and offer very poor value for the money:
Tsuyosa (min. €250):
- only 50m water resistance
- pressed clasp
- push-pull crown (without guard!)
- no hacking
- cheap flat dial without raised chapter ring
- terrible lume
PRX (min. €350):
- super-annoying butterfly clasp
- sloppy automatic movement
- sloppy hand/marker alignment
- snap-on case back
- push-pull crown (without guard)
I am more like a grab and go with my watches. Thats why I left the automatic watch world behind. I love this citizen, but I would go with ecodrive! Yellow or green!
I tried that citizen one on, bracelet looks a feels cheap and nasty.
OK I'm coming to this debate from a different angle and would love to see a video (if that's what they are still called?) on it. BRACELETS...no not watches but bracelets on watches or to be more specific CLASPS. It still baffles me how bad they are, even on expensive watches. If I spent 1-10k on a car I'd want the door to shut properly (no gaping gaps). Yet on a wrist most makers just can't get it right. 2 or 3 micro instead of 5 or 6. No on the fly or it there is its only 3 holes worth of adjusting. I mean really! It's not rocket science or very expensive. We are not asking for a new movement. Just a flush fitting (no gaping gaps again) fully adjustable clasp. It makes me want to start making watches just to sort this out!
I just bought 3 today and love them. Great watches and they came with a 6 year warranty in the USA.
I refuse to buy a watch over $50 that doesn’t hack. I know “accuracy isn’t important” but I think it’s unacceptable.
Very weird seeing the Japanese Citizen in an automatic, and the Swiss Tissot in Quartz. (A battery operated one at that).
I'd love to add a Tissot to my collection, but IMHO the Citizen here is by far a better value.
You speak of Lumibrite as it's in the same league as this garbage lume. Mid range Seiko's lume is even better than high end Swiss watches. I was watching a lume comparison video between BB58 and Seiko, and Seiko lume outlasted BB58 by a long shot.
I would not call the tsuyosa a budget watch. Maybe to someone who owns tudors and omegas but $300 is not a cheap watch to most people. It’s overpriced mediocrity. I paid $159 for a Promaster with better specs.
PRX Quartz is ok however why would anyone buy a non regulating and non serviceable plastic movement as in the crap powermatic 80 .
Somehow Tsuyosa fits way better on my wrist compared to the PRX, eventhough they are very similar in style. Tsuyosa is just a bit rounder and less boxy than the PRX.
If the citizen is ur one watch collection it's better. If it's an addition to ur collection the prx is FAR superior movement alone
Wish these would’ve been around before I bought my PRX. I got a quarts model and it is uninspiring tbh. Not all it’s hyped up to be
Nice one Jody! All these models are available in Turkey and priced from $365 to a massive $420 depending on the seller. I doubt if anyone buys at the higher price and all colours are priced exactly the same. It's backed by the Citizen authorized dealer here so they have the full guarantee. I had the PRX and as well as missing the markers it didn't really catch me so I wouldn't buy this either. Great thing about the big brand watch warranty offices in Istanbul, they're all literally next door to each other and a 15 minute ferry boat ride away so at least it's easy if there's a problem!
Won't buy another after Citizen after they wanted well over half the cost of the watch to replace a cracked screen, actual cost of the screen was about £25 pounds, they wanted to charge me 6 times that to remove the case and internals. i had 3 Citizens, now moved them on.
I see a lot of corners cut here to sit in that price range. Give me a series 9 movement, milled clasp, great lume, and I’d buy it in the 500-700 range
Any options to swap out that terrible-looking clasp? It is the only downfall from keeping this a real value piece
It would be nice if citizen could make an eco-drive version.
only dislike the “president” bracelet. and it’s too rounded, not coherent to the squared angular aesthetics of the watch case 😢 a near miss in my opinion
Is the Citizen better, well it would be if it had a quartz movement...and for my taste didn't have that hideous yellow dial 😄
Crap lume at this price point seems like a slap in the face tbh. Not to mention weak wr. We're not too far away from that Cambridge microbrand tbh
Debating taking back my PRX automatic and getting 2 Tsuyosas!
I love the flat links of the Tissot a lot.... But i cannot get over the price of the only movement that matter.... So i better not buy anything
Jodi just bought the blur one and it hacks where you're didn't!What'd up with that 🤔
I have exactly rhe same two watches, PRX quartz white dial and the yellow citizen 😂
I've got a PRX and I love it but every time I see one of these mo-fos on TH-cam or eBay I just start drooling.
You can't own both. Not when you are saving for a certain microbrand that is launching in two weeks.
Honestly, that recessed crown kills it for me.
Comfortable, but bloody awkward!
got the very same yellow dial last sunday, i had the opportunity to get the prx, but i don’t like tissot
being in singapore . i got this way earlier than most people internationally around 2022 or late 2021 when the first colour waves are available internationally (and much lesser colour variants earlier on ) . the only downside in my opinion are the WR, and lume. plus those with smaller wrist need to be wary the dial may look too big for small wrist people. as remember this is 40mm watch without DIVE BEZEL! and the simple round look at 40mm might look too big for people used to 34 or 36mm rolex datejust or date
No hacking no deal. They should remove the bloody second hand in that case.
I was waiting for the kittens of rotor doom.......
It's not so bad on this one! The old 8215s were kitten fodder.....
Hello and welcome!
Ayyeeeeee!
Bought my yellow Citizen Tsuyosa about a year ago. It has become a firm favorite and now gets probably more wrist time than any other watch.
I've got the NJ0151-88X (teal fumee colourway) and am very happy with it. Lots of folks have positively commented on the beautiful dial. No issues with the time keeping, however as it's in rotation the crown is indeed a pain in the a$$ to use. I actually used the micro adjust and got a perfect fit, so those extra few mm make a world of difference. The best thing.... I bought it new from amazon with £60 off the mrrp! Sadly it's now back to £300 though.
Check out some HMT watches, you are going to love it
HELLOOOOOO, and Welcome to Just One More Comment! 😁 Is the Citizen better? NO! It is a good value however. I think the PRX is too! It is better built, Swiss, better movement, and has a much nicer bracelet (that fits me perfectly with a smaller link removed)…and the bracelet is uniquely styled to the case as an integrated bracelet should be, not a cheap President knock off pulled from the parts bin that is a stylistic mismatch to the case. Is a PRX Powermatic 80 worth the premium? Sure it is…the same way a Nautilus or a Royal Oak come with super-premium pricing over a PRX as integrated bracelet offerings. If you value the style, quality, pedigree…whatever floats your boat…it’s your money and your enjoyment. The good news is YOU have OPTIONS. So I applaud Citizen and Tissot for that.
Going for 300 quid on ebay in good old overpriced UK 🇬🇧
I love Citizen. At the moment I own 24 watches and 6 of them are from Citizen (it is the brand I have more watches from). They are incredible value. I mean...you want an affordable ISO certified diver for 200ish bucks? Ny0040. You want an iconic dive watch with diving computer capabilities for 300ish? The JP2000. You want an affordable integrated bracelet watch with sapphire? Here you have the Tsuyosa. You want an iconic bullhead chrono? They have plenty. A GADA watch for 400ish? The NB1050 with sapphire, duratect. 4hz movement, milled clasp, pins and collars, etc. An affordable GMT in eco-drive? Plenty. I could go on....to me they are the best value per money watch brand out there. Seiko is long gone as the value king, now offering dive watches with cheap clasps and subpar crystals at 500bucks or more.
Can you replace the bracelet with a PRX bracelet? ;)
I'm confused about the movement. While in Jody's video it is clearly marked 8210 (two places), the Miyota website has no entry for that number (that I could find).
Is the 8210 actually just an "8215 Gilt" which indeed is in their catalog, What gives?
(not that there's anything wrong with the 8215 besides noisy winding. Bulletproof.)
Short answer: yes
Long answer: absolutely