how does that toolhead perform with pla ? and what hotend did you use ? im looking for a better alternative to the stealthburner, something lighter and with better airflow
Its fine with PLA. Although I don't understand people printing PLA with Vorons. I don't have XOL anymore though, if you want something really good get Archetype is my advice.
enough reasons to print pla on a voron.. i have the voron now cause it can print it all, one printer to do it and it was fun to build, ill still be printing pla for some parts and Model planes etc @@iniqy
how would you compare this to the dragon burner? Seems like they have very similar consideration when design, matis xol does looks heavier though, would you share the weight situation?
I never had DB, so I wouldn't know. For Dragon UHF you need RapidBurner though. But both toolheads are pretty similar and its more a matter of taste. The belt clamps on XOL are definitely better though. See my newer video for Archetype its much superior to XOL.
Looked at your shaper curves. Looks like SB had fewer vibrations and not much diff overall. Amplitude of harmonics higher on XOL2. Don't get me wrong, i want an XOL2, i just think you might have some loose screws somewhere and can get more out of it. SB is too bulky and hard to access extruder.
You are right. It was mainly belts. I had not adjusted them anyway whatsoever. Just put the toolhead on and went printing. This is a follow-up: www.reddit.com/r/VORONDesign/comments/132tzf1/comparison_adxl_on_nozzle_vs_can_board/ . I will rebuild gantry after my current build, time for all parts to be reprinted after pushing 15km of filament I guess.
The mods you have done is what I'm looking into as well. Any plans on lowering weight further by changing to an MGN9 and one of those lighter skeletonised aluminim extrusions? I hear the really skeletonised extrusions are not good but the ones that are not quite as skeletonised might be. Something like the ones Vez uses.
No I'm not planning on another X-beam. I have MGN9H lying here but I'm not sure if I'm going to use it. I don't care about 500 accels more or less at this point. If I'm going to upgrade anything I try to improve print quality or prefer to put my money in an all-metal gantry.
@@iniqy Fair point. I'm under the impression that less moving mass will still improve quality at slower speeds because there will be less work needed for pressure advance and input shaping. Then again a higher weight part will probably vibrate less because the mass will filter out higher frequency vibrations. I think for these printers the most important thing for print quality is the extruder and with the bondtech gears you have I think that's probably the best we can do at this point. It's possible that a smooth idler is better than dual gears too.
@@sabahoudini Well you are partly right. The fastest printer is also the best printer. More mass is always bad, but rigidity is more important than mass. This is why those lightweight beams are worse than rigid extrusion which does not flex. About extruders, they are super important. I have vz-hextrudort on this machine and RIDGA sherpa mini on other, cnc vz-hex beats it by a mile though, I plan on getting a second one.
@@iniqy Oh cool. I've been looking at those new vz-hextrudort-low with the twirl gears. Is that the one you have? Surface quality on the video at least seems better than anything I've seen. Yeah I think maybe the regular extrusions are better but still the MGN9 will save like 140 grams and that should not be less stiff.
@@sabahoudini Yep from mellow on ali. Yeah there is no specific reason not to go with MGN9H. Also new XOL toolhead has amazing new belt system, so it's very easy to swap X-rails.
Hey man! I've ordered my printer and I want to get the vz-hextrudort and dragon combo you have. I'm at the vz-hextrudort mellow store and there are many options. What do I need? Just the motor and the vz-hextrudort low? There are a few other options, some cnc mount part and a copper heatbreak, do I need those as well? Thanks.
@@iniqy All right, thanks man. So you say the dragon UHF is better than the Rapido? All the rave online seems to be about the Rapido UHF but I think I'll heed your advice on that. I do like that the rapido has a ceramic heater but the dragon has that Mosquito type heatbreak.
prints look great
Can you share details on your extruder, electronics board, bed probe and hotend that is used alongside
I want to put this on my 2.4r2 but also want to do a toolchanger later on. Do you think this is possible?
There was a TAP toolchanger AFAIK, I don't have XOL for over a year anymore but I don't think a toolchanger for XOL is coming in the near future.
how does that toolhead perform with pla ?
and what hotend did you use ?
im looking for a better alternative to the stealthburner, something lighter and with better airflow
Its fine with PLA. Although I don't understand people printing PLA with Vorons.
I don't have XOL anymore though, if you want something really good get Archetype is my advice.
enough reasons to print pla on a voron.. i have the voron now cause it can print it all, one printer to do it and it was fun to build, ill still be printing pla for some parts and Model planes etc @@iniqy
how would you compare this to the dragon burner? Seems like they have very similar consideration when design, matis xol does looks heavier though, would you share the weight situation?
I never had DB, so I wouldn't know. For Dragon UHF you need RapidBurner though.
But both toolheads are pretty similar and its more a matter of taste. The belt clamps on XOL are definitely better though.
See my newer video for Archetype its much superior to XOL.
Looked at your shaper curves. Looks like SB had fewer vibrations and not much diff overall. Amplitude of harmonics higher on XOL2. Don't get me wrong, i want an XOL2, i just think you might have some loose screws somewhere and can get more out of it. SB is too bulky and hard to access extruder.
You are right. It was mainly belts. I had not adjusted them anyway whatsoever. Just put the toolhead on and went printing. This is a follow-up: www.reddit.com/r/VORONDesign/comments/132tzf1/comparison_adxl_on_nozzle_vs_can_board/ . I will rebuild gantry after my current build, time for all parts to be reprinted after pushing 15km of filament I guess.
The mods you have done is what I'm looking into as well. Any plans on lowering weight further by changing to an MGN9 and one of those lighter skeletonised aluminim extrusions? I hear the really skeletonised extrusions are not good but the ones that are not quite as skeletonised might be. Something like the ones Vez uses.
No I'm not planning on another X-beam. I have MGN9H lying here but I'm not sure if I'm going to use it. I don't care about 500 accels more or less at this point. If I'm going to upgrade anything I try to improve print quality or prefer to put my money in an all-metal gantry.
@@iniqy Fair point. I'm under the impression that less moving mass will still improve quality at slower speeds because there will be less work needed for pressure advance and input shaping. Then again a higher weight part will probably vibrate less because the mass will filter out higher frequency vibrations. I think for these printers the most important thing for print quality is the extruder and with the bondtech gears you have I think that's probably the best we can do at this point. It's possible that a smooth idler is better than dual gears too.
@@sabahoudini Well you are partly right. The fastest printer is also the best printer. More mass is always bad, but rigidity is more important than mass. This is why those lightweight beams are worse than rigid extrusion which does not flex.
About extruders, they are super important. I have vz-hextrudort on this machine and RIDGA sherpa mini on other, cnc vz-hex beats it by a mile though, I plan on getting a second one.
@@iniqy Oh cool. I've been looking at those new vz-hextrudort-low with the twirl gears. Is that the one you have? Surface quality on the video at least seems better than anything I've seen. Yeah I think maybe the regular extrusions are better but still the MGN9 will save like 140 grams and that should not be less stiff.
@@sabahoudini Yep from mellow on ali. Yeah there is no specific reason not to go with MGN9H. Also new XOL toolhead has amazing new belt system, so it's very easy to swap X-rails.
Hey man! I've ordered my printer and I want to get the vz-hextrudort and dragon combo you have. I'm at the vz-hextrudort mellow store and there are many options. What do I need? Just the motor and the vz-hextrudort low? There are a few other options, some cnc mount part and a copper heatbreak, do I need those as well? Thanks.
Nice! Just the vz-hextrudort low cnc, its like 56 euro
@@iniqy All right, thanks man. So you say the dragon UHF is better than the Rapido? All the rave online seems to be about the Rapido UHF but I think I'll heed your advice on that. I do like that the rapido has a ceramic heater but the dragon has that Mosquito type heatbreak.
@@iniqy Do you have a link for a nozzle accellerometer? Couldn't find any on aliexpress. I will be converting the Troodon 2.0 to klipper.
@@sabahoudini Best one I think:
US: provok3d.com/product/nozzle-adxl-board/
EU: lab4450.com/product/nozzle-adxl345/
@@iniqy Excellent, you are the man ! Thanks :D
Hello, and before installing this what was your acceleration? thanks
4K. With XOL2 I got 8K mzv with 0 vibrations
@@iniqy Oh that's great
You print at how many mm/s ?
@@sebgln 400mm/s. Going to install a UHF mount hope to get at least 500mm/s
@@iniqy UHF mount ? (Rapido UHF ?) You go at 400 mm/s at stock just with XOL2 ? That's good. Thanks
What are your slicer settings to do this?
just default 0.4mm nozzle, only increased accels/speed. And ofcourse EM/PA tuned for filament. See ellis printing guide.
8 tooth or 10 tooth extruder better?
10 tooth for LDO/Moons' they are more than powerful enough