it can 3D-Print onto itself?!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.ย. 2023
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One day, when there's an uprising of the 3d-printers, we know who's to blame 😂
"The machines rose from the ashes of the nuclear fire. Their war to exterminate mankind had raged for decades, but the final battle would not be fought in the future. It would be fought here, in our present."
Come with me if you want to print
Well, the printer in the video is already rising up
The automated players i proclaim
The only way that humans could ever beat them is if we somehow figure out a way to replicate ourselves... how will we ever do that?!
@@cursed_cats5710 good one
I remember this being part of the original idea behind a 3d printer. A machine that could reproduce itself as an analogy for life.
Wasn’t that the entire idea behind the rep rap project, this guy is just taking it a lot further....
@Volt64bolt yeah Prusa and the University of Bath did have the headstart tho
@@thenewsonatrain wdym, they started ages ago if thats what your talking about. Doesn’t make this guys project any less impressive now does it.
@@thenewsonatrainAndrian bowyer .... father of reprap project.
This project, well it has some advancement. but, as the collection of oo
Have you ever played astroneer before? cause that's pretty much how you progress, small printer make bigger printer. although you have to collect the resources for it.
That's really neat that you're releasing this to the public to basically get an internet wide collaborative effort on making this work! It'll be amazing in no time!
dude... this is brilliant! I am just a 3D printing enthusiast and not an engineer sadly, so I doubt I could provide anything useful, but you have a new subscriber and I'll be sure to share this with all my maker/hackerspace friends. hopefully in time, I can build one of these once the concept has matured more. Incredible work!
Anyone can be valuable so don’t be hard on yourself
I especially like the fact that the vertical axis of the parent printer becomes a horizontal axis of the child printer which even increases the build volume with each new printer! Awesome concept, to infinity and beyond!
You two should adopt this as a baby and combine your ultra light and strong grantry rails in your last video to further make this printer fully 3d printed. 😄
This is genius and I love it. I hope I can contribute at some point!
Infinite support material
You still run into open-span material structural limits. The printer isn't infinitely rigid, so there is an upper bound on size before something breaks under its own weight.
But this does drop the minimum required mass-volume needed to pack into an unmanned space craft in order to fabricate on-site. NASA's own estimates in 2004 estimated the seed robots would need to mass 500 kg and be 2x1x1.5 meters and that three (two assembled and one unassembled for making molds) would need to be sent.
Mind, this also included all of the infrastructure to harvest, refine, and power everything.
www.niac.usra.edu/files/studies/final_report/880Chirikjian.pdf
Caught you here, JON!
Brings new meaning to "support material." 🤔
This is so cool! The fact that it can upgrade to larger print volumes is insane. You could ship a tiny, lightweight "seed printer" through the mail and then bootstrap it to an entire makerspace. Combine it with a upcycled filament extruder and you could transform a pile of old soda bottles into a useful community resource.
throw in a solar energy system and it may be able to be used to help developing countries.
I would imagen cnc machines being more useful
@@Marcos-eg9lt And I imagine a genie that grants you infinite wishes to be even more useful. What the fuck are you on about? Do people even think before posting anymore?
Combine that with certain inventions like the tiny hand powered centrifuge for malaria testing, and a few other innovations and you could basically send a small box to a remote area, and within a few days start large scale testing for diseases/parasites, water testing, printing prosthetics… etc!
It would make a huge difference by helping sick/injured people to be useful and productive again, it would add value to trash and plastics which would incentivize clean up and recycling and it would allow those small poor areas to become a bit more self sufficient and ready to receive aid!
Often times the issue is that testing can cost more than a cure.. the logistics and potentially dedicating time and money without knowing how bad a situation is becomes the problem. If you can test an entire area for maybe 50 bucks and give confirmed numbers for malaria and parasites, you basically jump to the top of the list for aid, because it’s so much easier to order and procure a known quantity of drugs and know that they’re going to be used and not go to waste or get sold and lost..
Instead of spending thousands of dollars and needing several skilled technicians and doctors to examine and fit a few people with prosthetics, you can basically send one trained person with a single 3D scanner that costs a few hundred bucks, and a single 3D printer like this one and start getting prosthetics fitted to people in record time! Proper fitting ones that don’t cause more issues because of bad fit, like nerve damage, open sores that can get infected.. etc.
There’s tons of videos on TH-cam of people making their own prosthetics and the process is super fast and easy, you don’t need a trained doctor or technician… any local could be trained to use a 3D scanner and printer over a weekend and use one of several free programs that generate prosthetics based on measurements! You don’t even need to know how to 3D model!
This could genuinely change the world one day. I believe it because regular printers already have… this is just another big step in the right direction.
@@Marcos-eg9lt a 3d printer is a CNC machine (Computerized Numerical Control) the difference is just that a CNC Mill/Lathe subtract Material and 3d printer add Material same system different process 😂
This is the manifestation of "weekly project" becoming the "main project" 😆
Crazy-clever!
>> To avoid wobble as it gets taller, print diagonal braces (or even a solid shell) rather than just legs.
Definitely out of the box thinking! 👍😉
When the concept finally works, it wouldn't even be a problem if it was very slow (because printing a complete solid shell). Since it replicates exponential, the print speed would only matter in the beginning...
Whats if you make a Big plate on the ground and make the z axis on it
French cleat with angled steps, comes to mind
Printing sides may seem like a good idea, until you realize that it can't make a second print with sides in place. Because the Z-axis is inside the print volume, and the X and Y inherently cross the build area, any bracing between the Z pillars will cause the X and Y axis to crash when approaching Z-0.
@@Kineth1It can't make a *full-size* second print with solid sides, but it could still make repeated prints within a slightly smaller volume. It seems to me that it would make sense for the larger printers to make this trade-off - they can still continue to scale up their copies at a slightly reduced ratio.
i found this hilarious
not in a bad way but more of a "damn it man, youre insane and a genius. i want to see the process and i hope you succeed." way
but my brain couldnt handle the sheer scope of this project and was defaulted to laugh.
Haha, happy to hear!
"I wish I could've done better at school to be able to help make this project better" is how I feel. Hahaha! Love the genius and insanity level of this project. Thanks Sunshine!
@@josephgaston5866 You'd be hard pressed to learn this in school. Yes, even engineering school.
you still need to take the electronic parts and move them to the bigger and bigger printers. untill you have a football field sized printer so you can finally print the electronics for the second printer you printed.
otherwise you are still going to have to buy printer motherboards. and control screens. and stepper motors. and heater cartriges. and you name it in parts.
and untill 3d printers become advanced enoegh to print computer chips. we will NOT be able to self replicate a 3d printer by just printing a second one.
and that not even factoring the material cost.
because an extruded piece of aluminium used for the frame. is actually cheaper than a 3d printed frame of the same strenght.
fillament isn't cheap you know.
not to mention printing rails is fun as a concept.
but even the tinyest error in one of them. will compound into a giant error after x amount of replications.
so first we need to reach a level of incredible accuracy.
and then a level of insane intricasy (being able to print smaller and smaller things)
and then a level of versitilty so we can print any material.
before we can even think about doing things like this.
the video is a fun watch. but this project is a huge waste of time.
@@ryanellis4383
3d printing is something that is litterally taught in school these days.
it's not 1990 anymore.
From your out of the print in place box thinking via your compliant mechanisms to your random coffee escapades you're one of the most interesting makers in the scene.
This is such a cool idea, and it really feels like we're returning to OG reprap days. Replicating itself as is tradition.
The electronics is what I am most hyped for.
Great stuff Turbo, as usual! :V
The word "revolutionary" is overused these days, but I think it really applies here. I literally feel like I'm witnessing acomplete turning point in the way our species does the very task of building things
This is far from a new idea. The concept of self-replicating machines has been around for nearly a century. 3D printing definitely is an obvious leap towards realizing it, but all the core problem remains the same: precision. 3D printers almost universally get their precision, and thus ability to print reliably and to spec, from metal parts. Printers that use 3D printed parts, like Prusa printers, only print structural pieces, not functional ones. Without things like precision machined linear bearings, the printer won't be able to print anything of use and the fact of the matter is that printers aren't capable of printing to the same precision they are manufactured with. It's inherent to the material used to print. Plastic deforms where metal doesn't. Metal-infused filaments are still majority plastic, there's no getting around it.
And all of that ignores that a truly autonomous system would need a method of raw material extraction and processing. And then you start to run into possible doomsday scenarios like Horizon Zero Dawn.
It's an interesting concept to explore for sure, but to say at this stage that this will "revolutionize manufacturing" is nothing more than hyperbole.
@@needamuffin Ah, that's an enlightening perspective. Perhaps I was a little caught up in the wonderful presentation in the video
Concept may have been around but this is a say "proof of concept" we've never seen the likes, of in my opinion. @@needamuffin
do gotta say this kind of attitude is what is needed to change the world
The Summoning Salt music, the Line Rider throwback, the insanely innovative 3D printer concept - this is TH-cam gold!
Freaking genius! I can see issues with rigidity of the mechanism but your approach clearly shows you have what it takes to solve problems that other people have not even seen yet.
That's why we can bridge between the legs ;)
@@TurboSunShine you should make it create a vertical lattice of about 15% to 35% infill between each leg (test around with infill and patterns)
This is amazing. I recently took on a project which I designed through a similar iterative process, and I appreciate that the majority of components in this printer are probably in at least their 5th or 10th iteration. The design and vision is amazing, and I will certainly print one to try!
Amazing work!
this is absolutely fascinating. can't wait to see more of this
this sounds like one of those sales pitches that people would host back in the late 90s early 2000s. The internet is going to change the world, so you need to get in early, youll make so much. money.. but they never asnwer the question HOW... how are you going to print linear rods, wires, motors, and most importantly, where are you getting all the material from!
That being said, you are a genious and this is a step in the right direction, love your videos!
use a four-way piezo sensor installed in a pivotal axis, like a joystick. this can provide precision of end-stop positioning with pressure sensing too, helping the leveling. Try it. It costs a few pennies.
what you want is basically the thinkpad nubs, the hard part has basically no travel but can detect force being applied to it.
the way the strain gauges are made (basically a resistor that will slightly increase in resistance as it gets stretched), you might be able to 3d print them with conductive filament.
@@satibel exactly
just a thought: it reminds me of how a sky scraper can expand and grow in height. if you were to take the gears and have something like block tracks where it would be able to grow inside then you could print all direction and not just clone. an idea on how i would try is maybe if the metal rods were split in half and turned into worm gears you could build from middle outwards. Take 1 axis and lets say the x axis. you could have 2 gears on the printer to travel the 2 gears that are being printed. as its being printed the nozzle would stay close to the middle left and right when the axis is complete you would have the 2 printer gears go in reverse direction to create pressure on the rod eventually locking the 2 pieces together. that way the printer would then be able to travel the entire distance. the supports for longer distances would be harder to deal with however you might be able to print supports as you print the axis since the printer would be spinning it outwards as it extends the support.
I had an idea like this years ago but I thought it would be impossible because you can’t print metal reliably. I hope I’m completely wrong because I absolutely love this.
Absolutely crazy idea with a even crazier solution. I love it. Great work.
This is one of the most incredible builds I've ever seen, can't wait to see what happens next!
Well, you've definitely achieved the "make it entertaining" goal! Seriously, concise but understandable and engaging overviews of any subject are a complex act of creation in and of themselves, so I applaud your skill and success.
The printer concept is fascinating. Obviously there's a few more issues to resolve - like how to you get the motors to Mars - but I love watching it. And the reversed screw thread for a lifter is one of those ideas that I'm looking at and going "I think I can use that." Building 3d printers isn't my jam so I'm not really in a position to help with the project itself - but I find your ideas fascinating, and I hope some recruiter sees this and goes "we need this guy!" Good luck!
You're documenting this with the rest of the Reprap community, right? Because they've had the exact same quest as you from before 3D printers were called that (and basically provoked consumer 3D printing to become a thing with their open-source designs). They could be helpful, and will also be REALLY interested in expanding on these ideas. I'm actually kind of shocked you didn't mention them, honestly.
CNC kitchen cameo was really unexpected, I loved it 😂
Dude, there is so much value here! This is a phenomenal platform. I'm super excited to see how this develops, great work!!
Very very cool, and interesting potential for many cool things. Can’t wait to see how this project develops!
This is like that episode of Futurama where Bender makes two 60% scale Benders until they take over the world at a molecular scale.
WOW! How did you make this so entertaining and informative! You CLEARLY put A TON of time into the project, but also the video (writing, editing, etc.)!!!! I'm really looking forward to more videos about this infinite 3D printer!!
This guy's a genius, super creative ideas and problem solving! I would love to try to help and make part of this project! I believe this might actually succeed and be everything it was meant to be.
would not says its genius, its a cleaver way to fix an irrelevant problem
@@Cj19944 maybe we need a *cleaver* way to fix your grammar
I 2nd dat😂
Great idea guys, simple and logical way to overcome the drop of the print head. I would enjoy making one of these in my spare time and trying to see what it is capable of. Good luck on your endeavor guys!
This is one of the most amazing concepts ever. I really hope the community can help you achieve your goal. I’ll just watch the videos and drool cause I’m not an engineer.
oh boy, I'm building my own printers since the release of the first Rostock, but man, this concept is awesome AF and very creative tackling some engineering problems. awesome work. This project alongside the fast-printing improvements of "MirageC" and the upside-down-concept of "K R A L Y N 3D" are the most awesome and creative FDM-Improvements I've seen in about a decade. Keep up the great work.
the kralyn isi wicked; hope this guy can pull off a similar build!
What an awesome project! Purely inspirational thinking here, love it.
Absolutely incredible work! 😮 I've subscribed and look forward to the updates
I love the creativity and shear outlandish idea! Awesome build!
All jokes aside, this is genius and I love it
Reminds me of when Wandel made a plywood lathe and used the half-finished lathe to finish itself
I was initially skeptical about the z-axis - I immediately thought about those getting pushed inward and breaking. Your work on the helical profile, however, makes a lot of sense.
I'm subscribed now - I really want to see where this goes. 😊
me to, subscribed now, hope it does not go off topiic, and turn into never ending of short video clips
Super interesting project dude :) Don't give up, you guys are doing good. Its that famous learning curve! :D Thanks for sharing.
This is excellent work. Can't wait to see where you go with it.
So beyond the initial goal of self replication, I can see this having an interesting implication in printing large multi-color models, where the printed legs could double as purge towers.
Interesting idea however what is your plan to tackle the fact that the z axis will get increasingly unstable as it gets taller, and the fact that you’d need a pretty robust material changing system that was also itself entirely printable in order to realize the full scale of the project? I feel like this is better left to just a cool self printing printer vs some miracle machine that can produce motors supposedly.
Absolutely awesome design idea. Keep it up. This could be something big
the idea that ontop of having the idea and trying things, u are actually doing it is something I find insane and I love and will always support
Another thing to add, if a DIY kinematic probe doesn't work for you, you could maybe consider somehow implementing a fiducial camera, Stephen Hawes has some great content about this from his pick and place machine 👌🏻
You could maybe find a way to 3D print fiducial markers into your parts, idk
But then you need to add the camera too.
I wonder how you would print the heat-sensitive components (like the hotend and the build-plate). They need to be made of a material that will not return to a fluid state when reheated.
This is a great example of an elegant solution being so simple.
You deserved yourself a new sub.
Hope to see how this project goes on 👌👌
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 🖨️ 3D Printer's Capabilities
01:03 🌐 Decentralized Mass Production
02:09 🔄 Infinite Build Volume Design
03:39 🧩 Parts Printability and Reproduction
05:08 🔩 Z-Axis Legs Improvement
06:36 🛠️ Challenges in Printing
09:01 ☕ Collaboration and Future Plans
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we need more people like you in this world, keep working hard to improve manufacturing processes, it will pay off one day.
Very interesting project! Your whole philosophy of design is ground breaking! I will attempt to make an infini-z like printer myself and see where to go from there... already have some ideas of improvement floating around in my head.
I love the maker community. Crazy things like this is just mind-blowing
Sounds like a reprap to me 😀
This is one of those things that if you get it it's 10/10 cool. The ones who don't will just see another "nerd project".
Looking forward to more content on this!
Love this Idea! Keep the nice work on!
Very cool concept! Keep up the great work
This is hands down the BEST video about 3D printing I've seen in a very long time. (Sorry Stefan! 😉)
I'm looking forward to more videos from you and I'm pretty sure your community here will explode in size pretty soon.
Your idea of creating a truly self-replicating 3D printer toes the fine line between genius and madness and I absolutely love it!
While I probably can't add anything really useful to your project I will follow it (and you) and will gladly try to build one of these things eventually.
This is absolutely insane - subbed and will follow this!
youre printing of boards and circuits and motors is such a noble goal, thank you so much man.
Hahaha. Loved the Stefan cameo 🤣. This was the first video I've seen of yours, so that was a fun and welcome surprise. I binge-watch CNC Kitchen. Looks like I'm in good company. 🙂
This video was beautifully edited and produced while still being funny and informative. F*cking amazing dude!
Amazing! You guys are awesome.
thank you for having the music in the description, i’ve been trying to find we’re finally landing for weeks
Thanks mate! Not just fascinating idea, but so inspiring and motivating too 👍
I upvoted as soon as I saw the “you wouldn't download a car” reference. Seeing Stefan cemented it, and seeing how you angled the threads to lock the driving screws to the legs made me subscribe. I saw the issue with using an ISO thread profile immediately, but the idea to use a negative slope on the threads blew my mind. Which is weird, actually, because I've been playing with weird thread profiles for a long time and should have totally seen that coming. Oh well. Kudos to you, SunShine!
bro took “Buy 3d printer, 3d print 3d printer, return 3d printer” too seriously
Genius. I would have never thought about this before. This video made my day. You have earned me as your loyal subscriber.
Awesome to see some channel that is putting his efforts to make it better and better, and not some random shits that they are trying to push in one day.
Thanks for the video! And best luck on the project! And sorry, cannot help on that.
Very cool. Thanks for working on this, can't wait to see where it goes!
wow one of the best vids i have watched in a while well done
Hell yeah I'm glad I found this channel!
Ahhhhh this is so elegant, I have been dreaming of a similar system for years. You're brilliant. History will literally be written about you.
I am absolutely blown away by this incredibly awesome concept. wow
Thank you for this!
Super excited for the Metal printing Video
Great Idea. I'm wishing you success in this endeavor.
I thought of doing this once. Only I'd use a 'robot arm' instead of this system. since it's printable area can be easily made bigger than itself. The main thing I was concerned about is how to print a printer nozzle that wouldn’t get melted during operation but would still be able to melt to be printed itself. Other than that you of course still have microprocessors and stepper motor windings to worry about.
This is freaking brilliant!
Love the idea keep up the good work will definitely try and print one my self
That is a awesome video. Very informative
Love the idea & the video production keep it up
TH-cam is a pain with its recommendations
I'm scrolling and it won't stop suggesting me 15 second clips of shows or memes or whatever
and once in a hundred it actually shows me something good like this
looooong way to go. good idea. keep pushing
Very cool,looking forward to more!
I think you’re a genius. This is brilliant.
🎉Great , you are back ! ❤
i cant wait to see the electronic/metal videos!
YESSSSS! THANK YOU! _Finally_ someone working on creating gray goo. Can't wait for this to progress :)
This device still needs help gathering the materials needed to replicate itself, but I think that could be resolved by having it print a different robot to help with that.
Love the 3kliksphillip music! Keep up the good work
I dont think you understand how cool this is! this is incredible for open source tech! if we could print circuits and wires, we could print entire server boards and computers! the future is incredible!
I had an idea for a similar project, but my idea was to use a fleet of micro 3d printed 3d printing drones loaded up in a backpack with a tarp. I thought it would take YEARS to develop. Yours is far more simple! Congrats, man!
nah bro, youre a genius
Oh men I love your music choices 👌🏻
this is so cool I hope this is the future of 3d printers
gosh I love the idea, its something I would really love to help with but I lack the space in my room for any kind of big prints, tho I'll look closely, it will maybe teach me a lot of things, like for the screw thing, its mindblowing and something I'll keep in mind if I find a simillar issue myself
Hell yea we need more people trying to build this
as the printer raise i think it could use some x bracing between towers on at least 3 sides. this allows the printed part an exit, but tiess the towers so there will be less error due to elasticity. you could also use the cross pieces as fixed points to recalculate position as you lift.
What a great idea and project.
I love the out of the box thinking !! You do things that people tend to say smmm that’s impossible 🔥👌 you making history
this dude is making real life grey goo. thats sick.
Dude that's a really awesome idea. I'm excited to see it come to fruition