@@RedBobcatGames I guess I should be more open in saying, I'm seeing a lot of sexism and a lot of attributing specific (but not verifiable as being hers) changes to the magic setting that post authors did not like. I would like to see a few more after the fact reviews of these odd and negative moments in magic's history. I'm a newer player and really had no contact with these events.
@@Neocyberman1 Ah. Well that's a genuine surprise to me, but now having thought about it I guess it shouldn't have been. My criticism of her certainly isn't based on her gender, (but I can imagine that many people on the internet have their pitchforks out for that reason. Just no one that I watch, that's for certain). For me personally, I really wasn't looking at her as anything other than a Suit. As I understand, she came from Microsoft and had little knowledge of what either Magic the Gathering or Dungeons or Dragons even was. She's on record as having said some very tone deaf things about the communities and companies she was supposed to be the head of. I have no sympathy for her just because of her gender. She was the president of the business. Even if the onus to any changes during her tenure weren't as a direct result of her actions, (which I don't believe to be true) she was still responsible. The buck stops with her. So I do think its fair to put the blame for WotC's failures at her feet. Not as a person, but as a Suit. And as is the nature of Suits, that means the blame is also on the rest of them. Chris Cocks being a prime example. However, he's not in the news cycle. If you go back and watch some of my previous videos I bring him up too. Even Mark Rosewater at times, who for the most part I like. But as I say. I'm glad she's gone. Quitting was the best thing she could do, so I at least respect her for finally doing it. Though I also wouldn't be surprised if she was asked to quit. However, as to what you've been seeing. In my experience, the Internet is an echo chamber. The opinions held by those online often don't reflect the opinions of the majority. And so I mostly ignore them myself. There are toxic aspects to any community. My advice is always to ignore them too. And I'm sorry if you've had to experience much of their poison
That black and white is cool, but an absolute mess to look at. It feels like a novelty. The type of thing that a fan could go and pimp out their deck with if they wanted to get a full black and white deck, a bit like some people foil their decks. But as a product on its own, feels a bit sticky
As a draft experience, it was also the worst of the worst - it shoved together two fairly-flawed draft environments into one uncurated mess, and was subsequently forgotten about in a hurry. Hunt had the issue whereby UB dominated every other color pair to an absurd degree, with RG - the werewolves - being far and away the worst, bordering on unplayable. And while VOW certainly gave RG a far better showing, RB utterly dominated and WG was nigh-on unplayable thanks to Training utterly flopping as a mechanic. More importantly, VOW was the prince among prince sets: bombs were stupidly powerful and extremely difficult to deal with. Three of your pulls - Hullbreaker Horror, Avabruck Caretaker, and Dreadfast Demon - were nigh-unbeatable if they actually hit the board.
What's wild to me is that this was probably the easiest hit that they decided to do absolutely the bare minimum with. I mean, they'll send literal hired goons to a guy's house but won't pay 2 or 3 people to curate what's essentially a 2 set cube? People do this for free in their spare time!
"And I already spotted that behemoth" as I was looking into the huge lobster, and then you talked about the morkrut behemoth, and I was like "Oh." Felt kinda sad it wasn't a spotlight of the pack, I love the lobster so much, one of my favorite cards by far
Hullbreaker Horror is a good card, but the Behemoth is such a dumb card. Really old school vibes. A 7/6 with Menace which costs 5 mana and a two cost creature feels like some of the original Phyrexian cards. I love it
@@xaropevic7918 I do want to build a Runo deck and put all the Innistrad seas monsters in it at some point. Hullbreaker Horror's going to be a star of that I suspect
@@RedBobcatGames Great! Yeah, it definitely will be a star, on my control deck the lobster is by far my most efficient wincon However, on decks that are less instant speed focused, it is a bit worse as you can't fizzle removal at it as often and can't bounce nearly every spell every time, but still really good and will still bounce a lot of stuff
@@xaropevic7918 I wish it didn't have flash, but instead triggered as an ETB. But that's me and my old school magic sensibilities. Glad it got a reprint via those Fallout decks too. Hopefully will bring the price down a nudge
Climbing on the charts as in going up in price? It's no matter to me either way. I bought them to play with. I was REALLY hoping for a 5 colour commander to run them all in. Oh well, more fool me
love the little opening bit. Mr hands was very MVP this video it seems XD. Also i probably go with the red white deck as it seems to be slightly more powerful, and I enjoy burn spells
A buddy and I got a double feature box to split. There were some things to like about it but... yeah, it was all half baked. Shame we couldn't have used to packs to try some sealed games. (I did pull a double mythic packs, that was neat)
That's cool. I played Mid and Vow both at prerelease before Double Feature was out and I remember noticing at the time how imcompatible the vampires were together from both sets. Weird
@@RedBobcatGames Oh yeah, but I think even in BTS stuff MaRo mentioned that they didn't plan on a second innistrad set but came up with it partway through development of the first which... kind of explains everything
I actually didn't know that. That's interesting. Might explain why thematically the sets are around 2 colours each, and blue's basically not included in the story at all
I like the look of the black and white with color accent. Too bad there's so few of them, oh well, on to the next special treatment that won't match any of the others.
The one and only Secret Lair I ever purchased was the 10 reprints of the Innistrad lands that had new art in black and white. I expected there to be a black and white 5 colour commander. It never happened, I'm still miffed now
I love your internal world-building with Mr. Hans. I'd never have been able to pass up building green-blue, but that is my personality. I'd still want that dual land. Well, not THAT printing, but a better printing of it, anyway.
Every time I draft I have to knowingly avoid drafting White / Black because I'd do it every time otherwise, and I usually do it with the same people. I just love it, but also don't want to be too predictable
@@RedBobcatGames This was the central disagreement right at the end of my "career". I want to play how I want to play. I don't care if other people find it boring or predictable. I don't play games for excitement. Life's unstable enough as it is. Unsurprisingly, this means nobody wants to play with me.
@@JervisGermane Ahh, see it's not that I was concerned my opponents would become bored. I was more worried they'd figure out my tricks and start countering them haha
Ok. I respect the old horror genre, and M.H. and C.V. are two of my favorite sets, but I can't stand the b&w treatments. I'm glad you had fun with this, and your screen wipes and transitions were great!
I actually did something similar a few years back, with the ravnica sets: bought about 20 or so boosters, and for each standard showdown tournament I attended, I built a new deck. the result was that I could have much fun with building new decks all the time, but of course lost almost (but not all) my games and matches. The best part of the experience was all time spent trying to build new decks all the time, virtually every card got included at least once. the worst part was that since only the winners of the tournament got any rewards, I often knew beforehand that the actual gameplay would just be losses and losses. I'd prefer if it was like the old days, where everyone attending an FNM got at least something back home, to inspire for new deckbuilding.
Any kind of event where I get a card just for attending always catches my eye. The card doesn't even have to be a good one. Just like a special set symbol or something and I'm happy enough
@@RedBobcatGames also I think MtG is at its best with limitations, as Garfield intended: not four of every strong card, but merely a limited pool and doing the best of the card one's got. (not specifically the Limited format though, as it is prohibitally expensive)
@MsNosis I'm quite tired. Been a long day prepping the next video. I had to read that 4 times before I realised you weren't talking about Garfield the cat
Courier Bats? They bring something back from the Graveyard, but to be fair you're not wrong that would have been useful actually. I think I was just blinded by all those big dumb creatures I picked haha
DING DONG the witch is dead? yeah you showed that this product would have been better not just for the price but if it had better curating ravnica remastered and other remastered sets are better than double feature since its a more curated experience that knows what it is. The only real selling point of this was the 2 rares/mythics and the gray scale which was bad. A more curated expirence and better draft/sealed emviorment would have made it so much better.
Yeah I didn't care for this "set" for all the reasons you mentioned, plus I find special treatment cards jarring and prefer regular looking cards, which are getting harder to come by these days. I would've been ok with it if the packs were half the price, but at double the price it's just ridiculous. If it had been curated picks that would draft better together, then I could see it as a slightly premium product that I still wouldn't be interested in but could still understand.
I know the set didn't do well, but I hope that Innistrad Remastered is done the same way as Ravnica Remastered. A curation of all the sets, plus some reprints of Commander Cards like Edgar Markov. Yes please
I was new to magic at the time. I LOVED double feature because it reminded me of the old Universal Monsters. Love Black and White. Still do. Got some of my favorite cards from it
It’s funny you did this cause I almost did the same thing but I decided instead I would get more cards if I just bought a set box from both sets and combined them together lol. I made some interesting decks. Also I wasn’t too hyped for the greyscale, I though i would probably get tired of it.
I can totally see why this was such a bomb BUT, as a fan of old black and white horror movies and with Innistrad as my favorite MTG plane, this was such a smash hit for me. I've bought 2 boxes and I may even get a third just for funsies.
I personally loved Midnight hunt, it was my first REAL experience getting into magic (played some casually before, this was the first set that came out when i was into it) fell in love with innistrad. such a shame that double feature was so bad, its like being promised dessert but instead it was just more dinner and its overcooked. Giving me the urge to draft some werewolves again, bobcat. doing a better job of selling me on magic product than wizards. P.S. tell your assistant i send my regards about his unfortunate surname. POST P.S. DAYBOUND/NIGHTBOUND IS GOOD I WILL NOT TAKE SLANDER
Daybound / Nightbound is themeatic. BUT I will never forgive it for splitting Werewolves in half. All it had to say was something akin to "When Day Becomes Night, Transform all Humans". Would have worked with the old cards too... but no... fml
I loved this set expansion but it was overcosted and rarified to lgs's so the upcharge made it worse. I only bought one pack. If it were more accessible at the time I would've bought a box or two. That's the difference between an $8+ pack and 2x $160+ boxes. WotC lost about $310 from this wallet. The only card that stuck with me was the evolving wilds. I didn't pull Olivia which might've increased the budgetary sacrifice. Overall in time I would like to revisit this set. It did get the hammer of mass rejection. But I have a vampy deck for the new Olivia although my collection of outlaw vamps is horribly sparse. The Grayscale is cool even if a bit illegible. The horror aspect was better portrayed in the Night at the Movies Lair. This whole set should have had that level of aesthetic. I'm not interested in werewolves so much. So the M Hunt set was meh and I was disappointed to have to partake of that set for some of the vamps splashed into it. I suppose they should have made a double feature bundle. That would have been beyond awesome. This is where WotC kind of drops the ball- forgetting or omitting some oof the traditional nature of certain things like the card inventory booklet. I can only hope the next time they innistrad it has more bite than howl. At a decent price of course.
@@RedBobcatGames yeah, I agree for sure. I wonder if it would have made the set more illegible for the ones who thought so little of it anyway lol. Honestly I would love a full b&w commander deck just for the ooh's and ahh's at the table lol.
I'm surprised you didn't use Avabruck Caretaker. That card is a backbreaker. Also, I'm pretty sure a set featuring greyscale art could work, but the art has to be designed for greyscale. Honored Heirloom, for example was clearly NOT intended to be featured in black and white. (Which makes me wonder what the artists thought about their work being altered so haphazardly...)
double feature certainly was a special kind of dumb but i love midnight hunt. i didn't care about innistrad or vampires so i skipped it for a while until i saw what would become the basis probably my favorite deck: katilda dawnhart prime. again, have no idea who any of these characters are but in retrospect it was a strong set full of some real heat and some of the slickest commons/uncommons IMO. double feature is one of those sets that exemplifies the lack of focus and vision that defines modern mtg. not only that, but what's the point of saving a buck by nickel and diming on card quality only to squander untold resources and time on gigantic bombs like this and phony jumpstarts. this feels like the type of thing that wouldn't occur if there were still set blocks or at least some rhyme or reason
So Katilda is a witch. Or was at least (spoilers kinda). And she... well she's from an old type of magic, that's not evil? But is forgotten. Except it isn't because there's a load of practicing witches still apparently. Who are here to save the world... this time. Last time they didn't care and stayed on the side lines it seems. Even though there's a bunch of cards in the set that reference how many times Innistrad has been in danger, these witches are only revealing themselves now... and... they have a big clock. A big clock built in the forest, that no one in living memory has ever seen before apparently. And it controls the sun? And Midnight Hunt is about needing to find the key to rewind this big clock because it's stopped... and so the sun has stopped... and so their plan to find this key is to throw a halloween party at the clock, in hopes of... something. But werewolves show up, because they hate halloween. And then Vampires show up, because they hate clocks. And it turns out the key was just in Sorin's junk draw. Pressumably along with a bunch of expired vouchers, take away menus and a few chargers for phones he doesn't have any more In the next set Olvia Voldaren marries her boyfriend's grandad. She had to wake him up from a coma. He has dementia. And now she's a cowboy. Magic the Gathering
@@RedBobcatGames hey thanks, much obliged. the only thing i remember is that they didn't make vampire or werewolf edh decks which is actually all i associate innistrad with. katilda is a gorgeous commander. i can win through combat with 2 dozen human tokens that katilda can pump or my favorite, activating halo fountain to nuke the table. if i get Torens Fist of Angels in opening hand i'm probably gonna win 99% of time. no clue who he is on innistrad but he is the MAN, an absolute monster of a magic card.
Torens is from the story "Survivors" where, if I remember rightly he's a snake oil merchant who pretends to fight evil, but is roped into actually doing it for once. (I think, I may be wrong on that). He has to rescue Eruth (who got a card) from that shadow monster thing Umbris (who got a card too), but again been a while. I think (spoilers) he ends up letting Umbris escape or something in exchange for her life. That's his only appearance as far as I'm aware
@@RedBobcatGames he's a badass magic card. he keeps churning out mana dorks for katilda. they're a machine together. if i cast torens turn 3, katilda turn 4 turn 5 i have 8 mana, just enoughg to start putting +1 counters on everyone w katilda
Well Innistrad Remastered is coming out next year, so I assume they're (hopefully) going to do what they did with Ravnica Remastered and curate a bunch of cards from every set that work well together. Which, if true is basically just what you suggested. Fingers crossed!
@@RedBobcatGames Ive got a box that I'm saving to do a draft for Halloween. Which I think would be cool thematically, but I'd like to make sure the actual draft experience was decent, hence my initial question. Guess I can put it off for one year to get innistrad remastered to do with ith.
It could have been maybe not saved, but given a point to its existance, if they did a showcase with art drawn to be black and white, rather than just filtering a regular card art. Not even giving every card new art, but giving the more popular ones new black and white art.
I can't understand why they didn't include the art work from the stand alone sets that was designed to be displayed in black and white. This was all grey scaled cards
Yeah, 100% agree. And it's so weird, because the main sets already had cards with brand new art specifically made for black and white printings. But they weren't included here! Madness!
Prefacing this with noting I'm only at the part where you've just got the box, but my (potentially) hot take is that Double Feature isn't inherently a terrible product - it's just the price point. If you can find packs for about a fiver (in your local currency) it's actually pretty nice to open, but at the usual 10-12 I've seen it at (in various different currencies, mind you) in brick-and-mortar stores, it's an abomination.
Yeah, my only real complaint with the set outside of price I suppose, is that it's not new art. What's even weirder is that they did include art specifically for black and white cards in the main sets, but not here. Weird
I think this is the one I chose to not touch. Not over its price. I just wasn’t interested. I think I had that same fear when Dominaria remastered was coming out (atm). Something about these sets didn’t mesh well and at one point. Back on 2021 in the LGS we tried it but it was actually fun. Here it’s not….
I hope when we get Innistrad Remastered they do it like they did Ravnica Remastered. I really liked that it covered all areas of Ravnica. Even cards printed for Commander
@@RedBobcatGames That’s the thing. Itd be interesting to see various Lords from History actually work well in a limited format. I can imagine it. Say you’re on Rakdos Vampires, you T1: Stromkirk Noble, building your board with a purrfect one drop. But we have time. We still have Bloomburrow and Duskmourne to traverse towards.
@@RedBobcatGames I just hate how DMR and RVR decided to skimp on value by making it so if you get a retro frame rare it replaces your pack rare instead of coming alongside it. Can't give em too much value, I suppose
Love black and white art work. Draft packs are absolutely non draftable! Also they banned Meat hook Massacre in STD around this timeline so it did not do the set any favors.
What gets me is the fact they HAD original black and white art work for cards in the main sets, but didn't include them here. If this set was 100% made for black and white original art I'd have loved it
Ayyyy, thank you! Apparently the algorithm looks at what you say now. So, I know it's mental but things like "I like all The Red Bobcat's videos" are good. And obviously swap the name out for other creators too. Mental the hoops we have to jump through
Yes. no one bought the double feature product and when it was bought foils from the set are still coasting at 13 bucks, with ZERO interest from local game stores. The product doesn't move. I only dumped my product i cracked from the box at the tail end of stores not accepting it and barely escaped with profit.
@@RedBobcatGames the price point wasn't the issue, most people hated it from the jump. It's a combined draft set that did nothing to pay homage to the black and white movies it was inspired from. It was lazy and no one cracked it because of that
@@Psychosonicjoy Oh yeah, 100%. You're totally right. I'm just saying if it were cheaper it would have only been a bad product, instead of the insult it actually was. And I think over time people would have been more forgiving of it. Like "Yeah it was bad, but at least it's cheap now". As it stands, thinking about Double Feature leaves a bad taste in the mouth and I suspect most people wouldn't buy it even if it were cheap
I think people are over focusing on the ex-ceo rather than the rest of the much less replaceable hasbro upper management
Potentially, but I see it more as celebrating the little victories. Theres not much anyone can do about the higher ups sadly
@@RedBobcatGames I guess I should be more open in saying, I'm seeing a lot of sexism and a lot of attributing specific (but not verifiable as being hers) changes to the magic setting that post authors did not like.
I would like to see a few more after the fact reviews of these odd and negative moments in magic's history. I'm a newer player and really had no contact with these events.
@Neocyberman1 Do you want to argue that maybe she was looking the other way when these things occurred?
@@Neocyberman1 Ah. Well that's a genuine surprise to me, but now having thought about it I guess it shouldn't have been.
My criticism of her certainly isn't based on her gender, (but I can imagine that many people on the internet have their pitchforks out for that reason. Just no one that I watch, that's for certain).
For me personally, I really wasn't looking at her as anything other than a Suit. As I understand, she came from Microsoft and had little knowledge of what either Magic the Gathering or Dungeons or Dragons even was. She's on record as having said some very tone deaf things about the communities and companies she was supposed to be the head of.
I have no sympathy for her just because of her gender. She was the president of the business. Even if the onus to any changes during her tenure weren't as a direct result of her actions, (which I don't believe to be true) she was still responsible. The buck stops with her. So I do think its fair to put the blame for WotC's failures at her feet. Not as a person, but as a Suit.
And as is the nature of Suits, that means the blame is also on the rest of them. Chris Cocks being a prime example. However, he's not in the news cycle.
If you go back and watch some of my previous videos I bring him up too. Even Mark Rosewater at times, who for the most part I like.
But as I say. I'm glad she's gone. Quitting was the best thing she could do, so I at least respect her for finally doing it. Though I also wouldn't be surprised if she was asked to quit.
However, as to what you've been seeing. In my experience, the Internet is an echo chamber. The opinions held by those online often don't reflect the opinions of the majority. And so I mostly ignore them myself. There are toxic aspects to any community. My advice is always to ignore them too. And I'm sorry if you've had to experience much of their poison
@@mawillix2018 I'm not sure anyone was looking to argue
That black and white is cool, but an absolute mess to look at. It feels like a novelty. The type of thing that a fan could go and pimp out their deck with if they wanted to get a full black and white deck, a bit like some people foil their decks. But as a product on its own, feels a bit sticky
Yeah, agreed
As a draft experience, it was also the worst of the worst - it shoved together two fairly-flawed draft environments into one uncurated mess, and was subsequently forgotten about in a hurry. Hunt had the issue whereby UB dominated every other color pair to an absurd degree, with RG - the werewolves - being far and away the worst, bordering on unplayable.
And while VOW certainly gave RG a far better showing, RB utterly dominated and WG was nigh-on unplayable thanks to Training utterly flopping as a mechanic. More importantly, VOW was the prince among prince sets: bombs were stupidly powerful and extremely difficult to deal with. Three of your pulls - Hullbreaker Horror, Avabruck Caretaker, and Dreadfast Demon - were nigh-unbeatable if they actually hit the board.
Yeah, even now they're still fetching quite the price
What's wild to me is that this was probably the easiest hit that they decided to do absolutely the bare minimum with. I mean, they'll send literal hired goons to a guy's house but won't pay 2 or 3 people to curate what's essentially a 2 set cube? People do this for free in their spare time!
That's very true. I wonder how many people it took to figure out who needed to get fired over Christmas... eeshh
"And I already spotted that behemoth" as I was looking into the huge lobster, and then you talked about the morkrut behemoth, and I was like "Oh."
Felt kinda sad it wasn't a spotlight of the pack, I love the lobster so much, one of my favorite cards by far
Hullbreaker Horror is a good card, but the Behemoth is such a dumb card. Really old school vibes. A 7/6 with Menace which costs 5 mana and a two cost creature feels like some of the original Phyrexian cards. I love it
@@RedBobcatGames Oh fair enough, Behemoth is cool as well!
@@xaropevic7918 I do want to build a Runo deck and put all the Innistrad seas monsters in it at some point. Hullbreaker Horror's going to be a star of that I suspect
@@RedBobcatGames Great! Yeah, it definitely will be a star, on my control deck the lobster is by far my most efficient wincon
However, on decks that are less instant speed focused, it is a bit worse as you can't fizzle removal at it as often and can't bounce nearly every spell every time, but still really good and will still bounce a lot of stuff
@@xaropevic7918 I wish it didn't have flash, but instead triggered as an ETB. But that's me and my old school magic sensibilities. Glad it got a reprint via those Fallout decks too. Hopefully will bring the price down a nudge
Tovolar was one of my first commanders. I opened him at the first prerelease I ever played in. He has a special place in my heart
I'm thankful he was included, because not be able to put both types of Werewolf Commander Deck and have them work together would have driven me crazy
The foil on grey land art is beautiful
I do like the lands tbf. The only Secret Lair I ever bought was the 10 pack of black and white Innistrad land reprints with the new art
That’s significant, surprised you didn’t mention them when they’re climbing on the charts
Climbing on the charts as in going up in price? It's no matter to me either way. I bought them to play with. I was REALLY hoping for a 5 colour commander to run them all in. Oh well, more fool me
love the little opening bit. Mr hands was very MVP this video it seems XD. Also i probably go with the red white deck as it seems to be slightly more powerful, and I enjoy burn spells
I'd let him know you thought he was the MVP, but quite frankly I think it would go to his head
A buddy and I got a double feature box to split. There were some things to like about it but... yeah, it was all half baked. Shame we couldn't have used to packs to try some sealed games. (I did pull a double mythic packs, that was neat)
That's cool. I played Mid and Vow both at prerelease before Double Feature was out and I remember noticing at the time how imcompatible the vampires were together from both sets. Weird
@@RedBobcatGames Oh yeah, but I think even in BTS stuff MaRo mentioned that they didn't plan on a second innistrad set but came up with it partway through development of the first which... kind of explains everything
I actually didn't know that. That's interesting. Might explain why thematically the sets are around 2 colours each, and blue's basically not included in the story at all
I like the look of the black and white with color accent. Too bad there's so few of them, oh well, on to the next special treatment that won't match any of the others.
The one and only Secret Lair I ever purchased was the 10 reprints of the Innistrad lands that had new art in black and white. I expected there to be a black and white 5 colour commander. It never happened, I'm still miffed now
I love your internal world-building with Mr. Hans.
I'd never have been able to pass up building green-blue, but that is my personality. I'd still want that dual land. Well, not THAT printing, but a better printing of it, anyway.
Every time I draft I have to knowingly avoid drafting White / Black because I'd do it every time otherwise, and I usually do it with the same people. I just love it, but also don't want to be too predictable
@@RedBobcatGames This was the central disagreement right at the end of my "career". I want to play how I want to play. I don't care if other people find it boring or predictable. I don't play games for excitement. Life's unstable enough as it is. Unsurprisingly, this means nobody wants to play with me.
@@JervisGermane Ahh, see it's not that I was concerned my opponents would become bored. I was more worried they'd figure out my tricks and start countering them haha
Wonder if their favorite joke card is Handy-Dandy Clone Machine.
@@RedBobcatGames Theoretically, they can't. I'll have more tricks than they have answers. I just thought of a new one yesterday.
Ok. I respect the old horror genre, and M.H. and C.V. are two of my favorite sets, but I can't stand the b&w treatments. I'm glad you had fun with this, and your screen wipes and transitions were great!
Well thank you very much!
I actually did something similar a few years back, with the ravnica sets: bought about 20 or so boosters, and for each standard showdown tournament I attended, I built a new deck. the result was that I could have much fun with building new decks all the time, but of course lost almost (but not all) my games and matches.
The best part of the experience was all time spent trying to build new decks all the time, virtually every card got included at least once. the worst part was that since only the winners of the tournament got any rewards, I often knew beforehand that the actual gameplay would just be losses and losses. I'd prefer if it was like the old days, where everyone attending an FNM got at least something back home, to inspire for new deckbuilding.
Any kind of event where I get a card just for attending always catches my eye. The card doesn't even have to be a good one. Just like a special set symbol or something and I'm happy enough
@@RedBobcatGames also I think MtG is at its best with limitations, as Garfield intended: not four of every strong card, but merely a limited pool and doing the best of the card one's got. (not specifically the Limited format though, as it is prohibitally expensive)
@MsNosis I'm quite tired. Been a long day prepping the next video. I had to read that 4 times before I realised you weren't talking about Garfield the cat
The 2/2 Flying Black Bats make handy creature tokens.
Courier Bats? They bring something back from the Graveyard, but to be fair you're not wrong that would have been useful actually. I think I was just blinded by all those big dumb creatures I picked haha
DING DONG the witch is dead?
yeah you showed that this product would have been better not just for the price but if it had better curating ravnica remastered and other remastered sets are better than double feature since its a more curated experience that knows what it is.
The only real selling point of this was the 2 rares/mythics and the gray scale which was bad. A more curated expirence and better draft/sealed emviorment would have made it so much better.
What's crazy to me is the main sets DID have new artwork cards designed for black and white, but they didn't print them in this set! It's madness!
Yeah I didn't care for this "set" for all the reasons you mentioned, plus I find special treatment cards jarring and prefer regular looking cards, which are getting harder to come by these days. I would've been ok with it if the packs were half the price, but at double the price it's just ridiculous. If it had been curated picks that would draft better together, then I could see it as a slightly premium product that I still wouldn't be interested in but could still understand.
I know the set didn't do well, but I hope that Innistrad Remastered is done the same way as Ravnica Remastered. A curation of all the sets, plus some reprints of Commander Cards like Edgar Markov. Yes please
Such a nice intro. You’re performance is slick. Nice one.
Why thank you very much, glad you enjoyed
Great video! Watching from Zadar Croatia! ❤
Well hello to Zadar Croatia!
Dang so many green mythics 🤣🤣
I know! I couldn't believe it!
Not playing HullB and the good blue cards + mostly mono-Green is a tragedy. Definitely that was the best deck to make with that hypothetical pool.
Fair, very fair
cool video liked the deck building part would like to watch more of it
Oh thanks. I'm literally working on another one right now. Hopefully up for next week
@@RedBobcatGames oh cool looking forward to it
This whole video should have been in black and white!
I think that would have gotten old really quick! A bit like the concept for the cards themselves
I was new to magic at the time. I LOVED double feature because it reminded me of the old Universal Monsters. Love Black and White. Still do. Got some of my favorite cards from it
I wanted to love it, and I kind of still do. I just wish it was new art. If it was new art I would have forgiven most of it's other sins
Variant cards are generally hideous in my eyes. I avoid using any if at all possible.
I'm somewhat the same. I even miss the days when the only full art lands were from Zendikarr
It’s funny you did this cause I almost did the same thing but I decided instead I would get more cards if I just bought a set box from both sets and combined them together lol. I made some interesting decks. Also I wasn’t too hyped for the greyscale, I though i would probably get tired of it.
24 packs in Double Feature should be god damn criminal! I hope you had a better time opening packs than I did haha
Watching from sunny Cartagena in Spain!!! Hola! 😎
Hola to you too! The moon doesn't have great weather, and the atmosphere is terrible...
I can totally see why this was such a bomb BUT, as a fan of old black and white horror movies and with Innistrad as my favorite MTG plane, this was such a smash hit for me. I've bought 2 boxes and I may even get a third just for funsies.
If either the price was MUCH cheaper, or it was 100% original art I would have loved it and sung its praises all day
I personally loved Midnight hunt, it was my first REAL experience getting into magic (played some casually before, this was the first set that came out when i was into it)
fell in love with innistrad. such a shame that double feature was so bad, its like being promised dessert but instead it was just more dinner and its overcooked.
Giving me the urge to draft some werewolves again, bobcat. doing a better job of selling me on magic product than wizards.
P.S. tell your assistant i send my regards about his unfortunate surname.
POST P.S. DAYBOUND/NIGHTBOUND IS GOOD I WILL NOT TAKE SLANDER
Daybound / Nightbound is themeatic. BUT I will never forgive it for splitting Werewolves in half. All it had to say was something akin to "When Day Becomes Night, Transform all Humans". Would have worked with the old cards too... but no... fml
Unhallowed Phalanx is the perfect card to represent Double Feature. they are both over priced with little synergies
You're not wrong, and I did describe it as dumb!
I loved this set expansion but it was overcosted and rarified to lgs's so the upcharge made it worse. I only bought one pack.
If it were more accessible at the time I would've bought a box or two. That's the difference between an $8+ pack and 2x $160+ boxes. WotC lost about $310 from this wallet.
The only card that stuck with me was the evolving wilds.
I didn't pull Olivia which might've increased the budgetary sacrifice.
Overall in time I would like to revisit this set. It did get the hammer of mass rejection.
But I have a vampy deck for the new Olivia although my collection of outlaw vamps is horribly sparse.
The Grayscale is cool even if a bit illegible.
The horror aspect was better portrayed in the Night at the Movies Lair. This whole set should have had that level of aesthetic.
I'm not interested in werewolves so much. So the M Hunt set was meh and I was disappointed to have to partake of that set for some of the vamps splashed into it.
I suppose they should have made a double feature bundle. That would have been beyond awesome.
This is where WotC kind of drops the ball- forgetting or omitting some oof the traditional nature of certain things like the card inventory booklet. I can only hope the next time they innistrad it has more bite than howl. At a decent price of course.
I think if it was all new art designed for b&w I would have been much more forgiving of many of the sets other flaws
@@RedBobcatGames yeah, I agree for sure. I wonder if it would have made the set more illegible for the ones who thought so little of it anyway lol.
Honestly I would love a full b&w commander deck just for the ooh's and ahh's at the table lol.
@@Badassest I'm the same. I wanted a 5 colour commander for that exact reason!
I'm surprised you didn't use Avabruck Caretaker. That card is a backbreaker.
Also, I'm pretty sure a set featuring greyscale art could work, but the art has to be designed for greyscale. Honored Heirloom, for example was clearly NOT intended to be featured in black and white. (Which makes me wonder what the artists thought about their work being altered so haphazardly...)
Yeah, it's weird. The original sets did have cards with new art designed for b&w. And they didn't get reprinted in Double Feature, which is nonsense!
double feature certainly was a special kind of dumb but i love midnight hunt. i didn't care about innistrad or vampires so i skipped it for a while until i saw what would become the basis probably my favorite deck: katilda dawnhart prime. again, have no idea who any of these characters are but in retrospect it was a strong set full of some real heat and some of the slickest commons/uncommons IMO.
double feature is one of those sets that exemplifies the lack of focus and vision that defines modern mtg. not only that, but what's the point of saving a buck by nickel and diming on card quality only to squander untold resources and time on gigantic bombs like this and phony jumpstarts. this feels like the type of thing that wouldn't occur if there were still set blocks or at least some rhyme or reason
So Katilda is a witch. Or was at least (spoilers kinda). And she... well she's from an old type of magic, that's not evil? But is forgotten. Except it isn't because there's a load of practicing witches still apparently. Who are here to save the world... this time. Last time they didn't care and stayed on the side lines it seems. Even though there's a bunch of cards in the set that reference how many times Innistrad has been in danger, these witches are only revealing themselves now... and... they have a big clock. A big clock built in the forest, that no one in living memory has ever seen before apparently. And it controls the sun? And Midnight Hunt is about needing to find the key to rewind this big clock because it's stopped... and so the sun has stopped... and so their plan to find this key is to throw a halloween party at the clock, in hopes of... something. But werewolves show up, because they hate halloween. And then Vampires show up, because they hate clocks. And it turns out the key was just in Sorin's junk draw. Pressumably along with a bunch of expired vouchers, take away menus and a few chargers for phones he doesn't have any more
In the next set Olvia Voldaren marries her boyfriend's grandad. She had to wake him up from a coma. He has dementia. And now she's a cowboy.
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@@RedBobcatGames hey thanks, much obliged. the only thing i remember is that they didn't make vampire or werewolf edh decks which is actually all i associate innistrad with.
katilda is a gorgeous commander. i can win through combat with 2 dozen human tokens that katilda can pump or my favorite, activating halo fountain to nuke the table. if i get Torens Fist of Angels in opening hand i'm probably gonna win 99% of time. no clue who he is on innistrad but he is the MAN, an absolute monster of a magic card.
Torens is from the story "Survivors" where, if I remember rightly he's a snake oil merchant who pretends to fight evil, but is roped into actually doing it for once. (I think, I may be wrong on that). He has to rescue Eruth (who got a card) from that shadow monster thing Umbris (who got a card too), but again been a while. I think (spoilers) he ends up letting Umbris escape or something in exchange for her life. That's his only appearance as far as I'm aware
@@RedBobcatGames he's a badass magic card. he keeps churning out mana dorks for katilda. they're a machine together. if i cast torens turn 3, katilda turn 4 turn 5 i have 8 mana, just enoughg to start putting +1 counters on everyone w katilda
I have been meaning to build a Commander deck featuring those two for a while. i may have to get round to it
Would it work better to do sealed with one sealed pack from this and CV, MH and some other ravnika sets?
Well Innistrad Remastered is coming out next year, so I assume they're (hopefully) going to do what they did with Ravnica Remastered and curate a bunch of cards from every set that work well together. Which, if true is basically just what you suggested. Fingers crossed!
@@RedBobcatGames Ive got a box that I'm saving to do a draft for Halloween. Which I think would be cool thematically, but I'd like to make sure the actual draft experience was decent, hence my initial question. Guess I can put it off for one year to get innistrad remastered to do with ith.
Yeah... Double Feature wasn't great as a draft experience. It's fun in concept, but that initial thought sort of wears off quickly
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It could have been maybe not saved, but given a point to its existance, if they did a showcase with art drawn to be black and white, rather than just filtering a regular card art. Not even giving every card new art, but giving the more popular ones new black and white art.
I can't understand why they didn't include the art work from the stand alone sets that was designed to be displayed in black and white. This was all grey scaled cards
If blood pact was 1 less it would be a better sign in blood! Which is definitely a good card
Yeah, it's the sort of cards that feels like it's a bit overly costed when I first saw it, but then thought about it for a minute and understood why
Double Feature was a train wreck of a failure. And I say that as someone that Loves Midnight Hunt and Crimson Vow!
Yeah, 100% agree. And it's so weird, because the main sets already had cards with brand new art specifically made for black and white printings. But they weren't included here! Madness!
Prefacing this with noting I'm only at the part where you've just got the box, but my (potentially) hot take is that Double Feature isn't inherently a terrible product - it's just the price point. If you can find packs for about a fiver (in your local currency) it's actually pretty nice to open, but at the usual 10-12 I've seen it at (in various different currencies, mind you) in brick-and-mortar stores, it's an abomination.
Yeah, my only real complaint with the set outside of price I suppose, is that it's not new art. What's even weirder is that they did include art specifically for black and white cards in the main sets, but not here. Weird
Big sealed
Hope you enjoyed!
3:02 wtf, you have regular human hands and not red bob cat paws? looks like wotc isnt the only thing lies!
Haha, that would be a crime! But alas those hands aren't mine. They belong to one of my assistants
@@RedBobcatGames ah, my mistake i thought you said "my hands" not "mister hands" i once made that mistake
@@Mac666percent Nah, sadly my hands are perfectly circular. It makes typing this comment for instance really difficult
I think this is the one I chose to not touch. Not over its price. I just wasn’t interested. I think I had that same fear when Dominaria remastered was coming out (atm). Something about these sets didn’t mesh well and at one point. Back on 2021 in the LGS we tried it but it was actually fun. Here it’s not….
I hope when we get Innistrad Remastered they do it like they did Ravnica Remastered. I really liked that it covered all areas of Ravnica. Even cards printed for Commander
@@RedBobcatGames That’s the thing. Itd be interesting to see various Lords from History actually work well in a limited format. I can imagine it. Say you’re on Rakdos Vampires, you T1: Stromkirk Noble, building your board with a purrfect one drop. But we have time. We still have Bloomburrow and Duskmourne to traverse towards.
I'm worried about both sets. Bloomburrow because I'm excited for it and worry it'll flop, Duskmourne I'm just worried will be a flop
@@RedBobcatGames I just hate how DMR and RVR decided to skimp on value by making it so if you get a retro frame rare it replaces your pack rare instead of coming alongside it. Can't give em too much value, I suppose
@@Trogdorbad I hope we don't see that repeated in the upcoming Innistrad remastered
Does Rem Karolus ride a pelican pegasus? A pelicus? A pegican?
It's a Gryff, a type of Hippogriff which is half horse half heron. And no. No he does not.
Where does brawl fit into this? feel like its time for a comeback
Hmmmmm
Love black and white art work. Draft packs are absolutely non draftable! Also they banned Meat hook Massacre in STD around this timeline so it did not do the set any favors.
What gets me is the fact they HAD original black and white art work for cards in the main sets, but didn't include them here. If this set was 100% made for black and white original art I'd have loved it
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Good video
Thank you
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@@RedBobcatGames I like all The Red Bobcat's videos"
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@TheStartledNinja Okay, now I'll admit defeat haha
Yes. no one bought the double feature product and when it was bought foils from the set are still coasting at 13 bucks, with ZERO interest from local game stores. The product doesn't move. I only dumped my product i cracked from the box at the tail end of stores not accepting it and barely escaped with profit.
Price a product too high and it'll get such a bad rep that it won't sell, even if the price drops
@@RedBobcatGames the price point wasn't the issue, most people hated it from the jump. It's a combined draft set that did nothing to pay homage to the black and white movies it was inspired from. It was lazy and no one cracked it because of that
@@Psychosonicjoy Oh yeah, 100%. You're totally right. I'm just saying if it were cheaper it would have only been a bad product, instead of the insult it actually was. And I think over time people would have been more forgiving of it. Like "Yeah it was bad, but at least it's cheap now". As it stands, thinking about Double Feature leaves a bad taste in the mouth and I suspect most people wouldn't buy it even if it were cheap