Haven't you heard? The catholic church admitted they were wrong and Galileo was right, in ..................1992. It took them only a bit over 350 years! Such a progressive organisation!
godisalie Any commercial firm lying about their products like the catholics do would soon be in big legal trouble! Any money given to the church is effectively a tax on stupidity.
Before that they murdered thousands of non Catholics simply for not being in their religion They also burned bibles and forbade anyone to read it until yeeeaarrrss later when they rewrote it
I have been out of the Catholic church since 1963 (Portland Oregon) and have contempt for the church and contempt for most people who support it. In 1963 my mother was excommunicated because of a divorce and remarriage without paying the mandatory annulment fees. She begged the church not to do this to her and her family, her please fell on deaf uncaring ears. In 2004 the church (Portland Oregon) paid around 45 million dollars to settle sex crimes committed by priests during the same time we were excommunicated. How is that for morality?
None of the MANY catholic members of the Waffen SS or the Nazi leadership - including Hitler - were excommunicated or even threatened with it. Well, except one: Joseph Goebbels. Because he married a protestant divorcee.
I have NO sympathy for a life of faith but I recognize that must have been REALLY tough on your mum, She must have felt devastated and broken, I am sorry if that's true. Hopefully she has been able to move forward.
That's how I would feel about myself but we don't know how she feels about it today. On that basis I think its important to respect her thoughts and wishes.
That's the first time I heard a true story of someone being saved by the church thank goodness they kicked your family out when they did you might have been brainwashed too
I used to live in Philadelphia. While talking to coworkers one day, they were relating the harsh treatment they experienced at the hands of catholic teachers. Then in the next breath they said they were sending their kids to the same catholic school. I was flabbergasted and asked why they would subject their kids to the same treatment. Their excuse was “it’s changed now.” Yeah, right.
Well, to be fair, it _has_ changed now: they're much more subtle about it. They know they don't own the world anymore, just their piece of it, and they're doing what they can to get what they want without attracting the attention -- and wrath -- of the uninitiated general public. They're not sorry, they didn't learn their lesson. All they learned was the need to be subtle in their evil.
That's not ground for a accessory. But in light of the revelation of the institutionalizing implicating the entire institution, continuing to send your kids and or especially tithes and donations makes a person complicit.
Members of the novus ordo sect led by Jorge Bergoglio/imposter pope, are complicit: novusordowatch.org/2019/05/anti-catholic-vatican2-religion-book-review/
May the Lord come to you and show you His ways. God is the one who created you and the universe. He is true. The catholic church is God's original Church.
This is not a Bug in Religion. It's a Feature. The ONLY organization that literally Accepts Pedophiles. Religion is a curse on Humans. Power and Control. That's the entire game .
The Catholic Church is founded on the preachments of a crucified Jewish man who heard voices and believed the end of the world was imminent. His followers added miracles to the gospel stories which they recorded and shared with one another decades and centuries later.
Living in Utah I can say for a fact that it's not just the Catholic Church that does this, the Mormon Church uses the exact same techniques/excuses. Needless to say, they also get away with it.
Thank you for mentioning the Mormon Church's ugly, hidden behaviors (questioning minors about their sexual behaviors, usually by old men with absolutely NO parent present). I'd also like to mention the Jehovah's Witnesses, whose simmering pedophile-protection scandal has been described as worse in its arrogance & destructive behaviors than the actions of the Catholic Church.
These child sexual abuses/molestations can happen everywhere - school, church, at home. Sexual abuse on students have been reported to be on the rise. Protestant Churches don't seem to have something comparable to the John Jay Report - a report on the extent of child sexual abuses in Catholic Church. But a 2007 foxnews article has referred to AP report that three major insurance companies for Protestant Churches typically receive 260 reports each year of sexual abuse on minors by Protestant clergy, Church staff, or other church-related relationships.
@Jessica A. Thanks for that info. I've run across a few sites indicating that the issue may be much greater in the Protestant churches than is currently known. The secretive nature of such criminal actions (pedophilia and protecting pedophiles within the ranks) makes it very difficult to gauge the extent of the problem in any church. However (for comparison) the Jehovah's Witnesses have a very bizarre dogma that has long demanded that the VICTIM produce two eye-witnesses to the crime before any congregation (church) elders will consider their complaint as valid. In some cases the criminal who sexually abused the child is allowed to question the child in the presence of the other elders; in some cases (when the child's statements are dismissed) the situation is left "in Jehovah's hands" and occasionally the child has been required to apologize to the criminal sexual molester for bringing up "false" claims!
I grew up Catholic in Carbon county, PA. I felt absolutely sick to my stomach listening to this. I had no idea why we always seemed to have different priests at our church when I was a child. Now I know...
If anyone has suffered at the hands of priests, the hashtag: #CatholicMeToo is currently the most popular one I can find that's related to the scandal.
every male child grows up to be a man and if somebody abused me as a male child when I became a man I would have taken care of it myself and if I was raped they would pay with their life
@@riverstyxarmory9782 - So you believe the mostly male victims of the Catholic church, but not the mostly female victims outside of the church? Thanks for putting your bias & hypocrisy on full display.
Read the history of the Borgia popes. Those people lived, loved and above all...abused and murdered around the year 1500.....Then take some minutes to contemplate how little has changed. Religion belongs in the shameful bin of our history...nuffsed! Paddy
It's been years but I remember reading how most cardinals and bishops of centuries past died of syphilis. Today they hate science. On occasions like this, so do I.
There should be no statute of limitations for rape and molesting children, or anyone. However much time had passed, unless the victim is dead, he should be allowed to press charges against the Catholic Church, and the priest who raped him.
I asked a Catholic coworker about this. His only response was that the priests weren't "true Catholics." He's always denying the church has done anything wrong. He knows I'm an athiest and is always telling that I need to read the bible. When I remind him that I have and that's the reason I'm an athiest, he can't understand how anyone could deny the word or the existence of God.
@@johnleak2756 So Catholic equates to being stupid. Maybe your coworker is not into physics or maybe he is but you already judged him as stupid simply for being Catholic.
It doesn't matter how many times this has been uncovered or how unsurprising it is. This kind of stuff will continue being "uncovered" until people stop ignoring it and make it a big deal.
Jesus Christ And just why the heck is it harsh to abandon an ancient mythology that promotes genocide, bigotry, human sacrifice and slavery and lies to small children about dead people coming back to life and taking snakes, threatens them with hellfire, abuses them and covers it up and on top of it all then denies modern science?
We left the Church when our daughter was old enough to understand the sermon. While my wife and could ignore their nonsense, we couldn't justify exposing our children to it. After reading some Dawkins, Hitchens, and thinking things over, I realized I was suffering from a severe case of cognitive dissonance. At that point, the wall separating reason from faith crumbled instantly, and I became a proud atheist.
The problem is, It's absolutely not just the Catholics. I was raised in a mixed family. My father's side was Catholic, my Mother's initially Lutheran (later Mormon). I attended both churches, though at a young age I considered myself Catholic. I saw bad things go down in both churches, and heard about even worse. Which is why at age 15, I left Christianity behind forever. In my younger days, I was very vehemently opposed to ALL Christendom. Nearly to the point of violence in some instances. I converted to open Paganism as a means to 'shock 'n' awe' my community in a kind of juvenile 'rebellion'. My Ex-wife had some true horror stories about the Southern Baptists she once congregated when she was young. I'm 31, now atheist and opposed to organized Religion in general. I'm no activist however. theses days, I prefer peace and quiet away from the well and the rash alike. Christianity is just one of many archaic institutions that need to be put in the proper context.
I can never look at a gold cross the same way again. Catholic Church you are disgusting. You wanted to control women and when you couldn't like before you turn on innocent children. Makes me so angry. No man should have such power over their fellow humans upon the threat of internal damnation. 100% we need to change the statute of limitation! There needs to be justice.
I was brought up as a Catholic and called myself Catholic for my whole life, until about 5 years ago when I finally had enough. I didn't want to call myself Catholic and I didn't want the Church to count me as a Catholic. In fact I finally came out to myself as an atheist. I sent an email to the local Archbishop's office explaining this and asking how I could be excommunicated, or whatever the process was. I never got a reply.
Hopefully you go back to God through a protestant church. I left Catholic Church recently and it makes me happy to have a real relationship with Christ.
Only if you show you have a real relationship, say. That means sharing candid DETAILS - or He does. To you. And not evasions, or circumlocution.@@erik9157
Hey guys, despite Seidel's warning, I can't help but look through it myself. Only a few pages in, and I'm already sickened. I know I'm a year late to the party, but I wanted to seriously thank Seth for bringing this to my attention. (I recommend bringing up the report into a PDF format).
I was brought up a Catholic in Boston, which as we now know was ground zero for child molestation by priests in America. I remember being taught by these child molesters that just thinking about sex was a mortal sin. Of course with sex being a natural urge and with me going through adolescence thinking about it was to be expected. As such I experienced a lot of guilt, which led to inner struggles that led to persistent life long problems. It angers me now when I realize that the same people who told me that just thinking about sex outside of marriage was a sin were at the same time not following the same rules. Apparently abstinence was required of me while these same priests were having all kinds of illicit sex in the back of the church with young children. Unbelievable!
It's a matter of moral culpability and personal accountability. You're basically saying everyone is culpable when in fact the great majority of priests have never been accused of such abuses. If I told you I never saw any child being molested by a priest in my parish nor any priest there accused of such you will continue to say I've done wrong but my conscience does not convict me. If I saw a child being molested and I do nothing then I'm guilty. Many Catholics who stay do so because we want to help clean the house. There is nothing in the catechism that teaches us to molest a child. All these molestations are against what the Church teaches and those who did this must be held accountable, if they have died without having answered to the law they will answer to God. We stay in the Church because we continue to believe in the good and the truth the Church teaches, we help make reparations for the victims, we do not abandon for fear of other people's wrong notion of us who have not committed such abuses.
Please, I beg you to know, that Jorge Bergoglio is not a true pope. He leads the apostate movus ordo sect that was fabricated at the Second Vatican Council, 1962-1965. The name of Catholic is used to deceive. The Great Apostacy is upon us as predicted and prophesied. God is sifting His people. novusordowatch.org/?s=Fr.+Sylvester+Berry
All of the solutions suggested here are right on point, but the problem is the Catholic Church isn' t stupid...these are easy fixes, but the problem is they obviously don't want to fix it.
BlackEpyon I've thought that for decades. Change means they're fallable. yet change they will, as usual being dragged, kicking and screaming into modernity.
The question is whether or not the change will break them. This isn't just like accepting Evolution. This puts doubt into the fundamental integrity of a supposedly infallible institution.
David Knight No they don't want to fix it, perhaps for the reason BlackEpyon suggested but ultimately we also don't have a right to tell the church or any organization how to run itself but we can demand they comply with common law and strip them of their privilege. Lets see how often they break the law then.
BlackEpyon They managed the evolution debate by referring to it as guided evolution. Clever spin. By and large the changes have been managed. This is a change they have lost control over. A priest at a local church (no I don't attend) told the congregation the wheels have fallen off and he and his peers don't think they can be re-attached. Exaggeration??? maybe, maybe not.
2 things: why has No One prayed for satan, surely a Christian that Always say to pray for the wicked would pray for satan since he is the wickest of them all 2. Why has No One suggested that god is actually satan, IF we study what god wants (aka reading the bible) we can see the lies and even IF we cherry picked we Would see that god is horrible just by looking at our world, surely a god wouldnt allow the injustice? He is all seeing all knowing aswell as all being or whatever all something. Why wouldnt god then be satan, according to the bible itself satan is Said to try and decive humanity from god, whats more deciving than to proclaim Being god and saying that the "real god" is satan and heaven is hell. Sincerly: a tired 4 am atheist.
That is why I prefer The Satanic Temple as they are rational atheists into science and deny the supernatural. LaVeyans are just as goofy as the christians
If people are still willing to stay in the Church then one wonders if they are more concerned with their own "salvation" than the wellbeing of the child victims. It seems to be far easier to bury ones head in the sand for the unsubstantiated promise of salvation than to rock the boat and point out the evil steering it.
Actually, people stay because they want to help clean house and make reparations for survivors of these abuses. There are even survivors who remain in the Church.
But it's like staying on a small boat with your abuser because you think that, eventually you will reach a better place. And if some people stay to "clean house" then it's like trying to clean it with an old toothbrush while the leadership of the Catholic Church come in with truck loads of mud and dump it all over the place and the ones that don't physically dump the mud stand their and pretend that nothing happened. There has to be a point where people who do believe have to take their personal faith in their own hands and turn their backs on the church hierarchy, who are more concerned with protecting pedophiles then the most innocent and vulnerable of society.
@@bravo2278 + The Church has put in place measures to deal with this since 2002. Majority of priests are not sexual abusers. 4% have been accused of abuses committed between 1950-2002, with the abuses peaking in the 70s. Catholics want this investigated, hopefully there isn't more, but if there are we continue to work to purge these molesters from our midst. The Church is in crisis right now with all these theories as to why this happened, like cabal of homosexual priests in the Church. Ordinary Catholic like me can say I know none of this, I know no priest who've been accused, but those involved must be investigated. Bottom line is child sexual abuse is evil and must be purged. It doesn't just happen in churches, in schools too and at homes. You can research on that. But I must say it is horrible and demoralizing when those who commit it are working for the Church. But why should I leave because of them? The Church didn't teach me to molest children. I listen to sermons and these didn't tell me to do bad. Those who did wrong went against the teachings of the Church. It's like saying the rest of Jesus' disciples ought to have no longer believe because of Judas' betrayal. Well they still did and they died for it.
An old friend asked to meet up with me after knowing I'm atheist last week. We met and I shoot down all his beliefs and claims to the point that he became speechless. Guess he will not be meeting me again. Good riddance!
Did you read about Carlson who said in a deposition he didn't know it was wrong to rape little boys. Donohue released the outcomes of his research which claimed the permissive nature of the community was inciting clergy to rape children. There's plenty more out there to be floored about
newmove Really? Either that guy is a total IDIOT, (ding), or he's full of shit. All the while this was going on, the church was denouncing homosexuality as "immoral", hypocrates
You literally took the words right out of my mouth. As sickeningly repulsive as this whole disgusting situation is, is anyone really surprised by this at all? If anyone says that they are and you are a fucking liar or a fool and I have just as much contempt for you as I do for these fucking pedo priests and the ones who help to cover it up for my money should all be line up against a wall for a nice date with the firing squad! In the Immortal words of The Late Great Christopher Hitchens: the Catholic church's motto leave no child's behind!
If you haven't seen "The Keepers" on Netflix, please do so. After this 2017 documentary about Priest abuse and cover-up in Baltimore came out, a prominent Maryland Delegate who had helped the Church to keep the Statute of Limitations for victims coming forward to age 25 was voted out of office after 44 years! With him out of office, Maryland's Statute of Limitations was raised from 25 to 38 years! Make sure you let it be known to your legislators that child abuse, wherever it is found, will not be tolerated, and, if they work to protect abusers over victims, they will be out of a job.
The catholic church indeed institutionalized the practice of abusing children but it has also spilled over to other religions as well. I doubt there are any religions free of such abuse. I have seen numerous articles of clergy from protestant religions abusing and/or raping. It must be promoted by not just atheist but every intelligent person that priests and clergy should be questioned, held accountable and prosecuted for their crimes. Voltaire had it right. Believing in the absurd is a straight path to the horrors of what we now know it can lead to.
Unfortunately, society's predators gravitate toward positions of public trust and authority, like Catholic priests and public school teachers, to gain access to their victims. While these things are horrible and the perpetrators deserve punishment to the full extent of the law, we can't make the assumption that all priests and teachers are bad. The vast majority are good people who's reputation has been damaged by the actions of a few. We don't need to drag them through the mud and punish them for things they haven't done. The stereotype of the pedophile priest is a falacy in today's church as the vast majority of abuse cases were done by a small group of priests who abused a very large number of people many decades ago. These guilty priests are either dead or at the end of life, but they have left a lasting stain on the Catholic church that those who are anti-religious have latched onto to score cheap points. We should embrace the truth no matter where it takes us. The truth of today's Roman Catholic Church is that thankfully there are very few abusing priests which is a testament to better priestly formation and years of abuse prevention programs on the local parish level.
One of issues that bother me about the priests RAPING children is the ✦COVER UP✦ by the church. th-cam.com/video/PE5qI1kSscE/w-d-xo.html I believe for a priests to make it to the ranking of Cardinal or Pope he has to have a history of Child Rape cover up OR have raped a child!
Sorry. That's crap. The catholic pedophile party is by far the MAIN abusers. This has been happening since "priests" were started. Every catholic in Baltimore hid this! The cops, judges etc. Including the disappearing of official reports.
It really sickens me when people like this try to turn around and say *I'm* the evil one deserving of eternal suffering for _not_ being part of this religion. I wouldn't wish something like that on anyone, _but on a sliding scale, pedophile rings are pretty high up there._
The people defending a church that has systematically covered up widespread child abuse within the ranks of their clergy and also a "loving" diety that murdered millions of people in the stories of the Bible, among other atrocities that are too numerous to mention, believe they're going to heaven.
Seth and Mr. Seidel both come off as genuine and truly concerned about the well-being of the children involved. No trying to score political "brownie points" for the Atheist movement. The way we should all be about this news.
If the Catholic Church wants anything even remotely resembling credibility after so much time and so many victims, they can insist that those who are guilty either of abuse or concealing abusers should be subject to being charged, arrested, tried, and convicted by our criminal court system ... *PERIOD.* Anything less than that is yet more deflection from the RCC and should be labeled as such.
I was told that I was born with the curse of original sin for an imaginary crime against an all powerful god that took place before I formed myself into a body 70 years ago. The good news: If a fee is paid to a representative of this god and latin words were spoken while pouring water over my forehead the curse could be lifted. Later I was told that this god who was invisible and unknowable had inserted himself into the womb of a virgin and became god's son, Jesus, who would redeem his father's perfect creation through his own torture and murder. The bad news: After investigating this claim and many others for 50 years I can't find a single scrap of evidence to back up any of it.
I come from a hyper devout Catholic family on one side. My uncle has 8 kids (all homeschooled). In the last days I identified as a Catholic (now as a free thinker), I had a heated argument with the eldest(my cousin) about free will segueing into whether or not priests are fallible, and whether it is right to limit the mind to whatever the church tells you. She thought the pope was completely infallable, and submitting your free will to the church(also that free will was a gift from God. She was so strident, she refused at each point to concede any error, claiming she wasn't wrong because she prayed for faith, and I should do the same(still pray every day, and no result). I haven't spoken to her since.
John Sharrer they control the IRS behind their jesuits agents,David Kautter is the IRS comissioner.Also the FED with Jerome Powell as his commissioner,Both were educated in Georgetown University one of the 28 jesuits universities in EE.UU.
Ive been out for years but would sometimes get dragged into going by my mom. Shes given up at this point. The stuff they say during mass legitimately anger me. Its not ok to burn people in hell forever just because some tyrant's feelings were hurt.
Son-of-a-gun... I didn't realize there was any such thing as an "evangelical" Catholic... Until your post prompted me to look it up. ...I guess he's an evangelical now??? thinkprogress.org/mike-pence-your-friendly-neighborhood-theocrat-19e232381fcd/
Some years ago, The Poop said that each Bishop is responsible for his territory, each has a franchise, responsibility for whatever crimes happen in his Holy See, are the Bishop's problem. The Poop is claiming the Catholic Church is not a US Organization, that could be prosecuted under the RICO Act, Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organization Act. It says every member of the criminal Org is equally guilty of the crimes committed by a few. The US authorities refuse to take legal action above a Bishop (Capo) and his Crew.
They appear to be a law unto themselves. Untouchable. Any non religious organizations would have been closed down years ago. My mother talked of how evil some of the nuns were when she was at school in the 1930s. Thank god she found the courage to become agnostic and my sisters and I were never put through this torture..
The pope could "reserve absolution" to the papacy, require all priests confessing abuse, or convicted of abuse, to travel to the Vatican and then imprison offenders for life in a Vatican monastery. Since the Vatican is a sovereign state offenders would be without legal recourse. And those refusing to travel would be stripped of office, excommunicated and anathematized.
Totally not surprised by the High Sparrow's response in Ireland yesterday. I don't seem to remember hearing him say "excommunicate" even once during that speech, and really, he shouldn't be praying to that candle, he should have been holding it to certain people's tiny balls.
If they still haven't excommunicated hitler why would they excommunicate their own, What value is it anyway, I want to hear them say they will be reporting to police in the first instance.
"Suffer and come on to me ye little children". Not literally. This is very sad and the laws in the Catholic Church should be changed. If they don't change the laws, then they should be shut down. I know that's impossible, but this is just how I feel.
In my medium size California City, there has not been a single new Catholic church built since the early 60's when our population was 1/10 what it is today. On the other hand, the RCC, laughingly calling itself "Dignity Health," has built a huge new hospital, they have bought up nearly all medical practices and they have built or bought up all medical office spaces in this entire city. By the way "Dignity Health" is such a cruel and ironic hoax because everybody knows that when you get sick, the first thing that dies is your dignity at the hands of The System. This complete takeover of my city's health services includes building or buying up all imaging centers, blood and pathology labs, specialty clinics and urgent care facilities. In my city, it is nearly impossible to make an appointment with a doctor or schedule a treatment without going through this RCC owned "Dignity Health." Here it is obvious that the RCC is getting out of the "church" business and into the tax-protected medical business. This is the best of all possible worlds for the RCC because it is now impossible to get idiots to become priests anymore, but doctors certainly are available and because the RCC is tax protected, they have a huge advantage over all other medical organizations.
I am a closet atheist and got into a huge fight with my mother over this. They have brain washed so many, I fear the day that I come out as an atheist.
don't be afraid. be aware that there's nothing wrong about being right. and don't worry about the next life. you will be reborn with a new body. that bs about being "saved"is just hocus pokus. don't let the brainwashed influence you. know yourself. you are god.
Dear Seth, were you aware of this kind of behaviour while you were you a believer ? Growing up Catholic we all heard stories of the "brothers". We knew as kids which brothers to stay away from. Not sure I have heard you discuss this!
So how do believers excuse the fact that "god's" representatives (clergies) let these abuses happen in his own church and not stop it? So much for an all loving, all powerful god. Stracy Harris said it best!
Josefine Nilsson The child seduced me used to be the defense card. Even though they don't use that line anymore it still sickens me to my core that they once did.
I think Christopher Hitchens said it best when he said "The Catholic Church is a clutch of hysterical sinister virgins who have betrayed their charge in the children of their own church"
I wonder if whoever did that cartoon knows red is cardinal, purple is bishop. And regards the abuse in the church - even the Parish I grew up in was rocked by it too. So the numbers around it are astounding.
Beyond horrible. I’ve wondered for a long time now how people can go in every Sunday, sit down and give money to this abomination of an organization. There’s an episode of the Atheist Experience where a guy tries unsuccessfully to justify his support of the church. The mental gymnastics were truly astounding.
Absolutely love this picture. Can I get it for wallpaper on my phone? A bumper sticker? A picture on the wall, a tee? It's great. The truth is beautiful, a breath of fresh air. Do some merch!
as a child alter boy who wanted so much to be a priest my family saying no as I was to young to make such a permanent life derision primary school ran by nuns and secondary all boys school run by monks I had nothing but fantastic experience with so many dedicated people who taught me education can remove poverty
Someone like me can't believe that they did this NOW can't even go to mass as this institution has lost all sense of morality the children entrusted to them moving beasts around enabling them WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN IMPRISONED if the church has lost people like me I'm amazed at what sort of people are left helped ruin my belief in the whole thing
Stalin did similar. I'm not for murdering priests (the fallout of martyrdom is no fun to deal with), but I'm all for nationalizing the Church's assets.
Stalin was a political idealist and a megalomaniac. Yeah, he brutally punished Christians but not just them. He went after anyone he thought opposed him. He clearly didn't intend to do to Russian Christians what Hitler tried to do to the Jews. If that was his intent and he had the power to do it, Russia wouldn't be more than 75% Christian today.
Let me say this first: I used to be Catholic, but I left not only the church but Christianity as a whole for many reasons. I would be characterized as an “atheist”. Now, I do understand what you are saying and I feel the same way but with some disagreements, although I’m not defending the Catholic Church, just pointing out some issues that I know happen. First, the Catholic Church is like a country’s government. There are many factions and many interests, and although the Pope presides it, he alone cannot change or eliminate whatever he wants. Like the President of the US, he needs the support of all other factions to be able to implement changes, no matter how “common sense” they may seem to us. Also, if several of the cashiers of a National store chain steal money from you because they know the system is such that it will be difficult for you to get your money back and the managers of some stores allows them to do it, when the whole thing gets discovered, you just can’t blame the CEO and demand to close the stores. A change in culture is needed, but you cannot condemn all the cashiers and other employees for what others have been doing. Such is the case in the abuse of children by some of the priests. I understand the frustration but I know many people that are Catholics and they are good people and they also want accountability but are not willing to quit their faith because of the behavior of some abusers in the church. They are not condoning the behavior nor helping perpetrating it. They want changes but not by leaving their faith altogether. Again, I’d like to see many changes and justice done, and even then I would never think of believing in any god, but people will not leave their faith even knowing that there are still many problems in the Catholic Church.
I have been out of the Catholic church since 1985 (ireland) and not been a practicing Catholic or support that organization........ been atheist with out confirming it to my self for years.....
Goggle it I don't remember which news site but two have agreed, a third is still thinking about it and the others are being encouraged. If a second and third report is as damaging it's bound to snowball through the other states. Often these types of investigations are stonewalled particularly when pollies know what the outcome will be (negative) more so if the AG is a devout religious person although with such a public outcry over this first report and maybe a second and third, I'm not sure they'll be able to hold up the barriers for long. Pennsylvanian AG is also talking about applying Rico laws to the actions of the catholic church. Whether it goes ahead or not (they will try) it doesn't matter, we're openly talking about and taking formal, legal action against a large religious organization, the gates are open and the horses have bolted. 10 years ago I was thinking it would take 40+ years but so much has happened in 10 years I'm confident the catholics are done as an organization of power. I should note when the catholics do go under, other faith based organizations will probably fill the vaccum, lets see how many people join them.
The financial implications are going to be huge and might bring it down. Glad I was able to visit the Vatican last year before they have to sell the curtains.
I was once friends with a Catholic that denied the CSA problem was widespread and insisted it was the fault of a few bad priests. I'm ashamed to say that I did not push further at the time, not wanting to risk our friendship.
We have extremely good reason to believe my uncle was repeatedly molested by a priest. He wound up a drug addict, failed out of college, and dropped all connection to the family. He did finally get sober, but not without a lot of heartbreak along the way. We still have almost no connection to him- I’m 31 and I’ve met him exactly once, at my little brothers funeral 19 years ago. He will not come forward as a victim. We sincerely doubt he’ll ever even confirm it to anyone he knows. (We have court documents that track 4 victims and yet name only 3. The fourth child that was present was my uncle. He never joined the class action suit.) I hope he’s getting therapy, but I sincerely doubt it. Those asshole priests robbed my family of a member and robbed his children of a father. I’ve only recently met the kids he abandoned rather young and they call him their sperm donor.
That's a sad and unfortunately not uncommon story. When individuals like your uncle do present in court the defense will argue because of their drug, criminal and lifestyle history they cannot be trusted. Imagine that, once victimized by religion you'll be brutalized for the rest of your life by them.
And as usual, Francis does nothing but offer empty words. If that creep wants to show actual contrition, he'd turn over all evidence the church has, including where the rapists have been sent around to avoid being punished, and to cooperate fully with respective law enforcement.
Why do they think this is news? Why is anyone surprised at all?????? edit: The catholic church reminds me of my ex husband. "I'm sorry! I'll never do it again!" in both cases that's always been lies. They are just sorry they got caught. The moment they get that "another chance" it's more of the same. Now, I'm not atheist so I'm going to try not to judge but... I quit my ex husband and Id never be part of this. The catholic church has a long and bloody history. This is really not even close to new or the only time they've done and covered up terrible things. To be fair, I was friends with a Catholic who didn't attend mass because her families concerns about this exact sort of thing. "See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" is a big part of the catholic church and its ranking "authority"- they did an unblessed communion. this was more than fifteen years ago.
The Pope should invoke his infallibility clause and declare that all priests who are found to be paedophiles be stripped of their priesthood, excommunicated and made anathema, and further abolish the celibacy requirements fo priesthood. Nothing less is at all acceptable. Governments worldwide should start prosecuting the church as an entity under whatever equivalent of RICO laws they may have as an organised paedophile ring.
I wouldn't talk like that you never know what you're future holds.Three months ago if you told me I would become an atheist. I would have thought you were out of your mind.
Hate is "self hate" one cannot hate without hating one's own self. The task is "love" Love your self unconditionally Forgive your self Be filled with the gratitude of each individual breath
If the blurb at the end of God's Not Dead 2 is any indication, 3 will address how _oppressive_ it would theoretically be for the government to regularly check on what the church is teaching and spending its money on, _as is done with most organizations._ Won't that be a fun movie in light of this?
I quit when I was 12. Had to sit in the hall during religion class cuz I asked inappropriate questions. Religion is a complete waste of time. Tax them.
I was locked in a room under the rectory. My lunch was thrown away. I poke holes in asbestos pipes with my pencil. Then I chewed on my pencil because I was so bored. It was done so much I thought it was normal. So I never told my parents. My mom saw everything with rose colored glasses so she was naive and stupid. My parents always side with the teacher never believed anything I told him when I did tell him. Then after I grew up I told him about the stuff that happened and they said why did I tell them and I did but they didn't listen. So now I just don't go to church waste my time.
Hi Mr Andrews. As circumcision is accepted as a religious practice, then would it not be reasonable to make it a mandatory procedure for Catholic priests, when ordained, to have their genitalia removed as a declaration of their true support in their Catholic church's belief in celibacy? Would this be a justified attempt to elimination paedophilia in the Catholic church? Could this method possibly subjugate and deter paedophiles who are enjoying the privileged protection of the Catholic church? Would this approach be a reliable, serious, profound, justifiable and truly dedicated method to certify the teachings of the Catholic church's religious beliefs? I would suggest the Pope put this proposition to his God the next time he's in a conference with him and if God were to approve and found to be in agreement, perhaps the Pope could show his own profound dedication by volunteering to be up first for the surgical procedure? Alternately as much as I am enjoying the slow demise of this corrupt organisation, my personal prefered method for solving this problem would be to close the whole thing down because, I'm sure, the crimes will continue until the perpetrators are brought to justice and incarcerated. Aman.
It's times like these I would have liked to be apart of the church just so I could leave it. Kind of hard to make a point if I've never stepped inside that church. And church members would call what I do with my partners sinful and evil, but I follow strict rules of consent and an age requirement. Apparently the BDSM community could teach Catholics how to be good human beings.
it was time to leave the church when they placed Galileo under house arrest for proving that the earth revolves around the sun
Haven't you heard? The catholic church admitted they were wrong and Galileo was right, in ..................1992. It took them only a bit over 350 years! Such a progressive organisation!
godisalie
You have to wonder how many centuries this has been going on. They have obviously perfected their techniques.
godisalie
Any commercial firm lying about their products like the catholics do would soon be in big legal trouble! Any money given to the church is effectively a tax on stupidity.
Before that they murdered thousands of non Catholics simply for not being in their religion
They also burned bibles and forbade anyone to read it until yeeeaarrrss later when they rewrote it
Giordano Bruno might think that would be a trifle tardy.
I have been out of the Catholic church since 1963 (Portland Oregon) and have contempt for the church and contempt for most people who support it. In 1963 my mother was excommunicated because of a divorce and remarriage without paying the mandatory annulment fees. She begged the church not to do this to her and her family, her please fell on deaf uncaring ears. In 2004 the church (Portland Oregon) paid around 45 million dollars to settle sex crimes committed by priests during the same time we were excommunicated. How is that for morality?
That is blatant hypocrisy my friend.
None of the MANY catholic members of the Waffen SS or the Nazi leadership - including Hitler - were excommunicated or even threatened with it.
Well, except one: Joseph Goebbels. Because he married a protestant divorcee.
I have NO sympathy for a life of faith but I recognize that must have been REALLY tough on your mum, She must have felt devastated and broken, I am sorry if that's true. Hopefully she has been able to move forward.
That's how I would feel about myself but we don't know how she feels about it today. On that basis I think its important to respect her thoughts and wishes.
That's the first time I heard a true story of someone being saved by the church thank goodness they kicked your family out when they did you might have been brainwashed too
I used to live in Philadelphia. While talking to coworkers one day, they were relating the harsh treatment they experienced at the hands of catholic teachers. Then in the next breath they said they were sending their kids to the same catholic school. I was flabbergasted and asked why they would subject their kids to the same treatment. Their excuse was “it’s changed now.” Yeah, right.
Well, to be fair, it _has_ changed now: they're much more subtle about it. They know they don't own the world anymore, just their piece of it, and they're doing what they can to get what they want without attracting the attention -- and wrath -- of the uninitiated general public. They're not sorry, they didn't learn their lesson. All they learned was the need to be subtle in their evil.
What sucks is trying to find a private school in the belt that has no religious affiliation.
That's not ground for a
accessory. But in light of the revelation of the institutionalizing implicating the entire institution, continuing to send your kids and or especially tithes and donations makes a person complicit.
@@staceyj3667 You won't.
SUE...THAT WAS NO A EXCUSE...THAT IS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THE DICIPLINE IS HARD AND RIGHT ..!!
"If you remain a Catholic, you are complicit" This is a harsh truth that needs to be shouted from the hilltops.
I've thought about that
Yours is among the stupidest statement on the Internet, and that says a lot! :)
Members of the novus ordo sect led by Jorge Bergoglio/imposter pope, are complicit:
novusordowatch.org/2019/05/anti-catholic-vatican2-religion-book-review/
May the Lord come to you and show you His ways. God is the one who created you and the universe. He is true. The catholic church is God's original Church.
@@sammynaas7480 you are so indoctrinated.
Your so called god created nothing.
This is not a Bug in Religion. It's a Feature.
The ONLY organization that literally Accepts Pedophiles.
Religion is a curse on Humans.
Power and Control. That's the entire game .
The Catholic Church is founded on the preachments of a crucified Jewish man who heard voices and believed the end of the world was imminent.
His followers added miracles to the gospel stories
which they recorded and shared with one another decades and centuries later.
evoeightyci it goes like this priests don’t become pedophiles its pedophiles become priests
Living in Utah I can say for a fact that it's not just the Catholic Church that does this, the Mormon Church uses the exact same techniques/excuses. Needless to say, they also get away with it.
Thank you for mentioning the Mormon Church's ugly, hidden behaviors (questioning minors about their sexual behaviors, usually by old men with absolutely NO parent present). I'd also like to mention the Jehovah's Witnesses, whose simmering pedophile-protection scandal has been described as worse in its arrogance & destructive behaviors than the actions of the Catholic Church.
These child sexual abuses/molestations can happen everywhere - school, church, at home. Sexual abuse on students have been reported to be on the rise. Protestant Churches don't seem to have something comparable to the John Jay Report - a report on the extent of child sexual abuses in Catholic Church. But a 2007 foxnews article has referred to AP report that three major insurance companies for Protestant Churches typically receive 260 reports each year of sexual abuse on minors by Protestant clergy, Church staff, or other church-related relationships.
@Jessica A. Thanks for that info. I've run across a few sites indicating that the issue may be much greater in the Protestant churches than is currently known. The secretive nature of such criminal actions (pedophilia and protecting pedophiles within the ranks) makes it very difficult to gauge the extent of the problem in any church. However (for comparison) the Jehovah's Witnesses have a very bizarre dogma that has long demanded that the VICTIM produce two eye-witnesses to the crime before any congregation (church) elders will consider their complaint as valid. In some cases the criminal who sexually abused the child is allowed to question the child in the presence of the other elders; in some cases (when the child's statements are dismissed) the situation is left "in Jehovah's hands" and occasionally the child has been required to apologize to the criminal sexual molester for bringing up "false" claims!
They are all the same.
The promises and claims are the bait.
Money, Sexual Pleasure, and Power are the goal.
Religion is man made.
SOLDZ...PEDOPHILE AND WICKED PEOPLE THERE ARE ALL AROUND THE PLANET...AND EVERY COUNTRY...EVERY CITY...EVERY INSTITUTION ...WE ARE SICK OF SIN..!!
I grew up Catholic in Carbon county, PA. I felt absolutely sick to my stomach listening to this. I had no idea why we always seemed to have different priests at our church when I was a child. Now I know...
If anyone has suffered at the hands of priests, the hashtag: #CatholicMeToo is currently the most popular one I can find that's related to the scandal.
every male child grows up to be a man and if somebody abused me as a male child when I became a man I would have taken care of it myself and if I was raped they would pay with their life
I wish that hastag wasn't based on the bullshitty metoo hashtag, but at least it's something. Thank you for posting it here.
@Levi Huckel only got 5? You can do better than that.
@@riverstyxarmory9782 - So you believe the mostly male victims of the Catholic church, but not the mostly female victims outside of the church?
Thanks for putting your bias & hypocrisy on full display.
There should be no statute of limitations on child rape/molestation/abuse.
There's that word "should" Lets make it happen.
Read the history of the Borgia popes. Those people lived, loved and above all...abused and murdered around the year 1500.....Then take some minutes to contemplate how little has changed.
Religion belongs in the shameful bin of our history...nuffsed!
Paddy
All religions are a toxic cancer on modern society.
It's been years but I remember reading how most cardinals and bishops of centuries past died of syphilis. Today they hate science. On occasions like this, so do I.
There should be no statute of limitations for rape and molesting children, or anyone. However much time had passed, unless the victim is dead, he should be allowed to press charges against the Catholic Church, and the priest who raped him.
I asked a Catholic coworker about this. His only response was that the priests weren't "true Catholics." He's always denying the church has done anything wrong.
He knows I'm an athiest and is always telling that I need to read the bible. When I remind him that I have and that's the reason I'm an athiest, he can't understand how anyone could deny the word or the existence of God.
Ask him where he thinks the church gets their money for lobbying, settlements and cover ups? Tithes add up.
Tell him to read, "A Brief History of Time" by Stephen Hawking. It will make a lot more sense than the bible.
Which Word? Koran? Bible? Bagra Vita? Some shit I wrote on a napkin?
@@joevignolor4u949 Like I said, he's a Catholic. Hawking uses words that are far beyond his intellect level.
@@johnleak2756 So Catholic equates to being stupid. Maybe your coworker is not into physics or maybe he is but you already judged him as stupid simply for being Catholic.
It doesn't matter how many times this has been uncovered or how unsurprising it is. This kind of stuff will continue being "uncovered" until people stop ignoring it and make it a big deal.
It is time to quit Christianity, period!
Quit ALL religion.
Why only Christianity? It should be all religions, especially the Abrahamic religions!
Robert Preskop harsh, dude.
Jesus Christ
And just why the heck is it harsh to abandon an ancient mythology that promotes genocide, bigotry, human sacrifice and slavery and lies to small children about dead people coming back to life and taking snakes, threatens them with hellfire, abuses them and covers it up and on top of it all then denies modern science?
Andre XX
Don't forget the eating of flesh and drinking blood each Sunday. Cannibalistic barbaric shite.
We left the Church when our daughter was old enough to understand the sermon. While my wife and could ignore their nonsense, we couldn't justify exposing our children to it. After reading some Dawkins, Hitchens, and thinking things over, I realized I was suffering from a severe case of cognitive dissonance. At that point, the wall separating reason from faith crumbled instantly, and I became a proud atheist.
Welcome.
The problem is, It's absolutely not just the Catholics. I was raised in a mixed family. My father's side was Catholic, my Mother's initially Lutheran (later Mormon). I attended both churches, though at a young age I considered myself Catholic. I saw bad things go down in both churches, and heard about even worse. Which is why at age 15, I left Christianity behind forever. In my younger days, I was very vehemently opposed to ALL Christendom. Nearly to the point of violence in some instances. I converted to open Paganism as a means to 'shock 'n' awe' my community in a kind of juvenile 'rebellion'. My Ex-wife had some true horror stories about the Southern Baptists she once congregated when she was young. I'm 31, now atheist and opposed to organized Religion in general. I'm no activist however. theses days, I prefer peace and quiet away from the well and the rash alike. Christianity is just one of many archaic institutions that need to be put in the proper context.
I can never look at a gold cross the same way again. Catholic Church you are disgusting. You wanted to control women and when you couldn't like before you turn on innocent children. Makes me so angry. No man should have such power over their fellow humans upon the threat of internal damnation. 100% we need to change the statute of limitation! There needs to be justice.
I was brought up as a Catholic and called myself Catholic for my whole life, until about 5 years ago when I finally had enough. I didn't want to call myself Catholic and I didn't want the Church to count me as a Catholic. In fact I finally came out to myself as an atheist. I sent an email to the local Archbishop's office explaining this and asking how I could be excommunicated, or whatever the process was. I never got a reply.
My thoughts is that they baptized you without your consent, so that membership doesn't count.
Hopefully you go back to God through a protestant church. I left Catholic Church recently and it makes me happy to have a real relationship with Christ.
@@erik9157 And there's a flock of pigs overhead right now. 😃
Only if you show you have a real relationship, say.
That means sharing candid DETAILS - or He does. To you.
And not evasions, or circumlocution.@@erik9157
Hey guys, despite Seidel's warning, I can't help but look through it myself. Only a few pages in, and I'm already sickened. I know I'm a year late to the party, but I wanted to seriously thank Seth for bringing this to my attention. (I recommend bringing up the report into a PDF format).
I was brought up a Catholic in Boston, which as we now know was ground zero for child molestation by priests in America. I remember being taught by these child molesters that just thinking about sex was a mortal sin. Of course with sex being a natural urge and with me going through adolescence thinking about it was to be expected. As such I experienced a lot of guilt, which led to inner struggles that led to persistent life long problems. It angers me now when I realize that the same people who told me that just thinking about sex outside of marriage was a sin were at the same time not following the same rules. Apparently abstinence was required of me while these same priests were having all kinds of illicit sex in the back of the church with young children. Unbelievable!
What kind of people have stuck and will stick with the catholic church? By it's fruit you will know the tree.
It's a matter of moral culpability and personal accountability. You're basically saying everyone is culpable when in fact the great majority of priests have never been accused of such abuses. If I told you I never saw any child being molested by a priest in my parish nor any priest there accused of such you will continue to say I've done wrong but my conscience does not convict me. If I saw a child being molested and I do nothing then I'm guilty. Many Catholics who stay do so because we want to help clean the house. There is nothing in the catechism that teaches us to molest a child. All these molestations are against what the Church teaches and those who did this must be held accountable, if they have died without having answered to the law they will answer to God. We stay in the Church because we continue to believe in the good and the truth the Church teaches, we help make reparations for the victims, we do not abandon for fear of other people's wrong notion of us who have not committed such abuses.
Please, I beg you to know, that Jorge Bergoglio is not a true pope. He leads the apostate movus ordo sect that was fabricated at the Second Vatican Council, 1962-1965. The name of Catholic is used to deceive. The Great Apostacy is upon us as predicted and prophesied. God is sifting His people.
novusordowatch.org/?s=Fr.+Sylvester+Berry
All of the solutions suggested here are right on point, but the problem is the Catholic Church isn' t stupid...these are easy fixes, but the problem is they obviously don't want to fix it.
Hard to be infallible if you have to admit you have a problem.
BlackEpyon
I've thought that for decades. Change means they're fallable. yet change they will, as usual being dragged, kicking and screaming into modernity.
The question is whether or not the change will break them. This isn't just like accepting Evolution. This puts doubt into the fundamental integrity of a supposedly infallible institution.
David Knight
No they don't want to fix it, perhaps for the reason BlackEpyon suggested but ultimately we also don't have a right to tell the church or any organization how to run itself but we can demand they comply with common law and strip them of their privilege. Lets see how often they break the law then.
BlackEpyon
They managed the evolution debate by referring to it as guided evolution. Clever spin. By and large the changes have been managed. This is a change they have lost control over. A priest at a local church (no I don't attend) told the congregation the wheels have fallen off and he and his peers don't think they can be re-attached. Exaggeration??? maybe, maybe not.
2 things: why has No One prayed for satan, surely a Christian that Always say to pray for the wicked would pray for satan since he is the wickest of them all
2. Why has No One suggested that god is actually satan, IF we study what god wants (aka reading the bible) we can see the lies and even IF we cherry picked we Would see that god is horrible just by looking at our world, surely a god wouldnt allow the injustice? He is all seeing all knowing aswell as all being or whatever all something.
Why wouldnt god then be satan, according to the bible itself satan is Said to try and decive humanity from god, whats more deciving than to proclaim Being god and saying that the "real god" is satan and heaven is hell.
Sincerly: a tired 4 am atheist.
LaVeyan satanists pray to satan and claim results.
@@PRHILL9696 still...its an intresting theory
funbro pybro great theory
That is why I prefer The Satanic Temple as they are rational atheists into science and deny the supernatural. LaVeyans are just as goofy as the christians
I've wondered the same thing for years.
Who gave this a thumbs down ?
Show yourself.
Banana QiGong
The father and the son. The Holy Spirit is undecided if he wants to stay catholic.
I did:-)
I would guess it must have been one of the Corn-holer Priests who is still home free and wants to stay that way!
+Banana QiGong Either Bill Donahue or Fr. O'Malley.
Priests on parole or priest who've just settled in their new parish.
If people are still willing to stay in the Church then one wonders if they are more concerned with their own "salvation" than the wellbeing of the child victims.
It seems to be far easier to bury ones head in the sand for the unsubstantiated promise of salvation than to rock the boat and point out the evil steering it.
Actually, people stay because they want to help clean house and make reparations for survivors of these abuses. There are even survivors who remain in the Church.
But it's like staying on a small boat with your abuser because you think that, eventually you will reach a better place.
And if some people stay to "clean house" then it's like trying to clean it with an old toothbrush while the leadership of the Catholic Church come in with truck loads of mud and dump it all over the place and the ones that don't physically dump the mud stand their and pretend that nothing happened.
There has to be a point where people who do believe have to take their personal faith in their own hands and turn their backs on the church hierarchy, who are more concerned with protecting pedophiles then the most innocent and vulnerable of society.
@@bravo2278 + The Church has put in place measures to deal with this since 2002. Majority of priests are not sexual abusers. 4% have been accused of abuses committed between 1950-2002, with the abuses peaking in the 70s. Catholics want this investigated, hopefully there isn't more, but if there are we continue to work to purge these molesters from our midst. The Church is in crisis right now with all these theories as to
why this happened, like cabal of homosexual priests in the Church. Ordinary Catholic like me can say I know none of this, I know no priest who've been accused, but those involved must be investigated. Bottom line is child sexual abuse is evil and must be purged. It doesn't just happen in churches, in schools too and at homes. You can research on that. But I must say it is horrible and demoralizing when those who commit it are working for the Church. But why should I leave because of them? The Church didn't teach me to molest children. I listen to sermons and these didn't tell me to do bad. Those who did wrong went against the teachings of the Church. It's like saying the rest of Jesus' disciples ought to have no longer believe because of Judas' betrayal. Well they still did and they died for it.
Jessica A. Well....they are suckers for punishment....
Jessica A. Just give time....and let's see how many more will come to the surface.....should start a " Mee too "......
An old friend asked to meet up with me after knowing I'm atheist last week. We met and I shoot down all his beliefs and claims to the point that he became speechless. Guess he will not be meeting me again. Good riddance!
I actually saw something about a Bishop in New York trying to shift the blame onto the children, saying they are "culpable". I was floored
Did you read about Carlson who said in a deposition he didn't know it was wrong to rape little boys.
Donohue released the outcomes of his research which claimed the permissive nature of the community was inciting clergy to rape children.
There's plenty more out there to be floored about
newmove Really? Either that guy is a total IDIOT, (ding), or he's full of shit. All the while this was going on, the church was denouncing homosexuality as "immoral", hypocrates
Disgusting organisation.☹
You literally took the words right out of my mouth. As sickeningly repulsive as this whole disgusting situation is, is anyone really surprised by this at all? If anyone says that they are and you are a fucking liar or a fool and I have just as much contempt for you as I do for these fucking pedo priests and the ones who help to cover it up for my money should all be line up against a wall for a nice date with the firing squad!
In the Immortal words of The Late Great Christopher Hitchens: the Catholic church's motto leave no child's behind!
If you haven't seen "The Keepers" on Netflix, please do so. After this 2017 documentary about Priest abuse and cover-up in Baltimore came out, a prominent Maryland Delegate who had helped the Church to keep the Statute of Limitations for victims coming forward to age 25 was voted out of office after 44 years! With him out of office, Maryland's Statute of Limitations was raised from 25 to 38 years! Make sure you let it be known to your legislators that child abuse, wherever it is found, will not be tolerated, and, if they work to protect abusers over victims, they will be out of a job.
yeah i watched that show is pretty good.
The Popes' in Ireland eating humble pie but does Nothing to fix the problem.
The catholic church indeed institutionalized the practice of abusing children but it has also spilled over to other religions as well. I doubt there are any religions free of such abuse. I have seen numerous articles of clergy from protestant religions abusing and/or raping. It must be promoted by not just atheist but every intelligent person that priests and clergy should be questioned, held accountable and prosecuted for their crimes. Voltaire had it right. Believing in the absurd is a straight path to the horrors of what we now know it can lead to.
I agree with Voltaire, but I'd like to add, "Give people power based on absurdity, and you cultivate mass atrocity."
Unfortunately, society's predators gravitate toward positions of public trust and authority, like Catholic priests and public school teachers, to gain access to their victims. While these things are horrible and the perpetrators deserve punishment to the full extent of the law, we can't make the assumption that all priests and teachers are bad. The vast majority are good people who's reputation has been damaged by the actions of a few. We don't need to drag them through the mud and punish them for things they haven't done. The stereotype of the pedophile priest is a falacy in today's church as the vast majority of abuse cases were done by a small group of priests who abused a very large number of people many decades ago. These guilty priests are either dead or at the end of life, but they have left a lasting stain on the Catholic church that those who are anti-religious have latched onto to score cheap points. We should embrace the truth no matter where it takes us. The truth of today's Roman Catholic Church is that thankfully there are very few abusing priests which is a testament to better priestly formation and years of abuse prevention programs on the local parish level.
One of issues that bother me about the priests RAPING children is the ✦COVER UP✦ by the church.
th-cam.com/video/PE5qI1kSscE/w-d-xo.html
I believe for a priests to make it to the ranking of Cardinal or Pope he has to have a history of Child Rape cover up OR have raped a child!
Sorry. That's crap. The catholic pedophile party is by far the MAIN abusers. This has been happening since "priests" were started. Every catholic in Baltimore hid this! The cops, judges etc. Including the disappearing of official reports.
It really sickens me when people like this try to turn around and say *I'm* the evil one deserving of eternal suffering for _not_ being part of this religion. I wouldn't wish something like that on anyone, _but on a sliding scale, pedophile rings are pretty high up there._
Religion is corrupt & evil & they about mind control by the way that's my take on that
The people defending a church that has systematically covered up widespread child abuse within the ranks of their clergy and also a "loving" diety that murdered millions of people in the stories of the Bible, among other atrocities that are too numerous to mention, believe they're going to heaven.
Seth and Mr. Seidel both come off as genuine and truly concerned about the well-being of the children involved. No trying to score political "brownie points" for the Atheist movement. The way we should all be about this news.
I get what you're saying, but I really can't think of someone that would virtue signal child rape without caring about the fact a child was raped
If the Catholic Church wants anything even remotely resembling credibility after so much time and so many victims, they can insist that those who are guilty either of abuse or concealing abusers should be subject to being charged, arrested, tried, and convicted by our criminal court system ... *PERIOD.*
Anything less than that is yet more deflection from the RCC and should be labeled as such.
Yep!
My friend was a victim. It's especially weird when a phenomenon hits home.
Really glad you decided to talk about this before the end of the news cycle
I was told that I was born with the curse of original sin for an imaginary crime against an all powerful god that took place before I formed myself into a body 70 years ago.
The good news:
If a fee is paid to a representative of this god and latin words were spoken while pouring water over my forehead the curse could be lifted.
Later I was told that this god who was invisible and unknowable had inserted himself into the womb of a virgin and became god's son, Jesus, who would redeem his father's perfect creation through his own torture and murder.
The bad news:
After investigating this claim and many others for 50 years I can't find a single scrap of evidence to back up any of it.
I come from a hyper devout Catholic family on one side. My uncle has 8 kids (all homeschooled). In the last days I identified as a Catholic (now as a free thinker), I had a heated argument with the eldest(my cousin) about free will segueing into whether or not priests are fallible, and whether it is right to limit the mind to whatever the church tells you. She thought the pope was completely infallable, and submitting your free will to the church(also that free will was a gift from God. She was so strident, she refused at each point to concede any error, claiming she wasn't wrong because she prayed for faith, and I should do the same(still pray every day, and no result).
I haven't spoken to her since.
People that claim they can't be wrong because God is on their side are probably not amenable to reason.
Maybe the IRS can step in and take away their tax exempt status, or confiscate their money for maintaining an illegal activity in their enterprise.
The Philadelphia GA is looking at applying Rico laws. Fun times ahead.
John Sharrer they control the IRS behind their jesuits agents,David Kautter is the IRS comissioner.Also the FED with Jerome Powell as his commissioner,Both were educated in Georgetown University one of the 28 jesuits universities in EE.UU.
They wouldn't dare.
Same problem in The jehovah's witnesses religion, not as big as Catholics but still just as disgraceful
I cant stomach those narrow minded bible thumping screwballs!
And don’t forget Islam, Muhammad was also a paedophile.
God's nuthouse.
Ive been out for years but would sometimes get dragged into going by my mom. Shes given up at this point. The stuff they say during mass legitimately anger me. Its not ok to burn people in hell forever just because some tyrant's feelings were hurt.
Looking at you, Stephen Colbert.
YESSSSS!
If Colbert's "God" were an actual deity, we'd have nothing to worry about. Much cooler a character than the one in the Bible.
Funny isn't it how when it comes to religion, their reasoning faculties selectively shut down.
im RELIGION free
Nobody asked.
Our 'tremendous' (sorry, there's no sarcasm font) VPOTUS is a member of the catholic church. I wonder what his statement will be about this...
Son-of-a-gun... I didn't realize there was any such thing as an "evangelical" Catholic... Until your post prompted me to look it up.
...I guess he's an evangelical now???
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Three decades of light into the darkness of 1500 years
Some years ago, The Poop said that each Bishop is responsible for his territory, each has a franchise, responsibility for whatever crimes happen in his Holy See, are the Bishop's problem. The Poop is claiming the Catholic Church is not a US Organization, that could be prosecuted under the RICO Act, Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organization Act. It says every member of the criminal Org is equally guilty of the crimes committed by a few. The US authorities refuse to take legal action above a Bishop (Capo) and his Crew.
They appear to be a law unto themselves. Untouchable. Any non religious organizations would have been closed down years ago. My mother talked of how evil some of the nuns were when she was at school in the 1930s. Thank god she found the courage to become agnostic and my sisters and I were never put through this torture..
The pope could "reserve absolution" to the papacy, require all priests confessing abuse, or convicted of abuse, to travel to the Vatican and then imprison offenders for life in a Vatican monastery. Since the Vatican is a sovereign state offenders would be without legal recourse. And those refusing to travel would be stripped of office, excommunicated and anathematized.
Totally not surprised by the High Sparrow's response in Ireland yesterday. I don't seem to remember hearing him say "excommunicate" even once during that speech, and really, he shouldn't be praying to that candle, he should have been holding it to certain people's tiny balls.
If they still haven't excommunicated hitler why would they excommunicate their own, What value is it anyway, I want to hear them say they will be reporting to police in the first instance.
"Suffer and come on to me ye little children". Not literally. This is very sad and the laws in the Catholic Church should be changed. If they don't change the laws, then they should be shut down. I know that's impossible, but this is just how I feel.
even the cliff's notes is sickening to read.
Gut wrenching and lucky none of them were within arms reach.
In my medium size California City, there has not been a single new Catholic church built since the early 60's when our population was 1/10 what it is today. On the other hand, the RCC, laughingly calling itself "Dignity Health," has built a huge new hospital, they have bought up nearly all medical practices and they have built or bought up all medical office spaces in this entire city. By the way "Dignity Health" is such a cruel and ironic hoax because everybody knows that when you get sick, the first thing that dies is your dignity at the hands of The System. This complete takeover of my city's health services includes building or buying up all imaging centers, blood and pathology labs, specialty clinics and urgent care facilities. In my city, it is nearly impossible to make an appointment with a doctor or schedule a treatment without going through this RCC owned "Dignity Health." Here it is obvious that the RCC is getting out of the "church" business and into the tax-protected medical business. This is the best of all possible worlds for the RCC because it is now impossible to get idiots to become priests anymore, but doctors certainly are available and because the RCC is tax protected, they have a huge advantage over all other medical organizations.
I am a closet atheist and got into a huge fight with my mother over this. They have brain washed so many, I fear the day that I come out as an atheist.
don't be afraid. be aware that there's nothing wrong about being right. and don't worry about the next life. you will be reborn with a new body. that bs about being "saved"is just hocus pokus. don't let the brainwashed influence you. know yourself. you are god.
I keep saying this over and over and what I hear back is "Stop saying that, you're making people feel bad." Wow.
Dear Seth, were you aware of this kind of behaviour while you were you a believer ? Growing up Catholic we all heard stories of the "brothers". We knew as kids which brothers to stay away from. Not sure I have heard you discuss this!
I don't think Seth was a Catholic. He was very likely aware but it would have had little impact on how he felt about his church.
Seth was Protestant (baptist, I think?)
Statue of limitation for child rape/molestation shouldn't exist. If an adult is willing to abuse a child once, they are willing to do it again.
So how do believers excuse the fact that "god's" representatives (clergies) let these abuses happen in his own church and not stop it? So much for an all loving, all powerful god. Stracy Harris said it best!
Oh, they'll just play the "free will" card. Isn't that what they always do?
Josefine Nilsson
The child seduced me used to be the defense card. Even though they don't use that line anymore it still sickens me to my core that they once did.
The harder you try to hid a scandal the more apparent there is a scandal
I think Christopher Hitchens said it best when he said "The Catholic Church is a clutch of hysterical sinister virgins who have betrayed their charge in the children of their own church"
When they’re not virgins, they’re child rapists.
I wonder if whoever did that cartoon knows red is cardinal, purple is bishop. And regards the abuse in the church - even the Parish I grew up in was rocked by it too. So the numbers around it are astounding.
TAX ALL RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS...ENOUGH
Beyond horrible. I’ve wondered for a long time now how people can go in every Sunday, sit down and give money to this abomination of an organization. There’s an episode of the Atheist Experience where a guy tries unsuccessfully to justify his support of the church. The mental gymnastics were truly astounding.
That was an excellent discussion. I love the idea of the excommunication of all predatory priests!
Most of us would prefer they were reported to police firt, they can do their mumbo jumbo excommunication stuff later.
"Abuse" = child rape. Let's not forget the real horror hidden in a softening euphemism.
Most enlightening....and disturbing.
Absolutely love this picture. Can I get it for wallpaper on my phone? A bumper sticker? A picture on the wall, a tee? It's great. The truth is beautiful, a breath of fresh air. Do some merch!
Quit the Catholic church? Quit religion all together!
as a child alter boy who wanted so much to be a priest my family saying no as I was to young to make such a permanent life derision primary school ran by nuns and secondary all boys school run by monks I had nothing but fantastic experience with so many dedicated people who taught me education can remove poverty
Someone like me can't believe that they did this NOW can't even go to mass as this institution has lost all sense of morality the children entrusted to them moving beasts around enabling them WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN IMPRISONED if the church has lost people like me I'm amazed at what sort of people are left helped ruin my belief in the whole thing
ah man don't you love how the head figure of the Catholic Church was a kiddy didler?
Atrocity is not strong enough to describe this. I'm mortified.
Henry the 8TH was probably on the right path, burn the buggers out and seize their assets.😠
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It would be in the public interest now.
Stalin did similar. I'm not for murdering priests (the fallout of martyrdom is no fun to deal with), but I'm all for nationalizing the Church's assets.
Stalin was a political idealist and a megalomaniac. Yeah, he brutally punished Christians but not just them. He went after anyone he thought opposed him. He clearly didn't intend to do to Russian Christians what Hitler tried to do to the Jews. If that was his intent and he had the power to do it, Russia wouldn't be more than 75% Christian today.
@@edwincasimir28 exactly. The exact same abuse is going on by priests and clergy in his Church of England.
... as he was setting up his own priestly hierarchy that answered to himself. Wonderful.
Let me say this first: I used to be Catholic, but I left not only the church but Christianity as a whole for many reasons. I would be characterized as an “atheist”.
Now, I do understand what you are saying and I feel the same way but with some disagreements, although I’m not defending the Catholic Church, just pointing out some issues that I know happen.
First, the Catholic Church is like a country’s government. There are many factions and many interests, and although the Pope presides it, he alone cannot change or eliminate whatever he wants. Like the President of the US, he needs the support of all other factions to be able to implement changes, no matter how “common sense” they may seem to us.
Also, if several of the cashiers of a National store chain steal money from you because they know the system is such that it will be difficult for you to get your money back and the managers of some stores allows them to do it, when the whole thing gets discovered, you just can’t blame the CEO and demand to close the stores. A change in culture is needed, but you cannot condemn all the cashiers and other employees for what others have been doing. Such is the case in the abuse of children by some of the priests.
I understand the frustration but I know many people that are Catholics and they are good people and they also want accountability but are not willing to quit their faith because of the behavior of some abusers in the church. They are not condoning the behavior nor helping perpetrating it. They want changes but not by leaving their faith altogether.
Again, I’d like to see many changes and justice done, and even then I would never think of believing in any god, but people will not leave their faith even knowing that there are still many problems in the Catholic Church.
What happened to Seths cat? he always mentions his dogs but I thought he had a cat too?
Yeah. I noticed that. Poor Kat can't get any airtime.
Poor kitty
I renounced my baptism a few weeks ago. I wrote to the diocese of Nantes to that effect. Got what I wanted. I am no longer a catholic.
R E P U G N A N T ! !
I have been out of the Catholic church since 1985 (ireland) and not been a practicing Catholic or support that organization........ been atheist with out confirming it to my self for years.....
I can't listen to the details anymore. This is just one state report. One. Imagine if we had reports for all 50 states.
It looks like that's on the table now so brace yourself.
@@newmove4378 Where did you hear that. That almost sounds too good to be true.
Goggle it I don't remember which news site but two have agreed, a third is still thinking about it and the others are being encouraged. If a second and third report is as damaging it's bound to snowball through the other states. Often these types of investigations are stonewalled particularly when pollies know what the outcome will be (negative) more so if the AG is a devout religious person although with such a public outcry over this first report and maybe a second and third, I'm not sure they'll be able to hold up the barriers for long. Pennsylvanian AG is also talking about applying Rico laws to the actions of the catholic church. Whether it goes ahead or not (they will try) it doesn't matter, we're openly talking about and taking formal, legal action against a large religious organization, the gates are open and the horses have bolted. 10 years ago I was thinking it would take 40+ years but so much has happened in 10 years I'm confident the catholics are done as an organization of power.
I should note when the catholics do go under, other faith based organizations will probably fill the vaccum, lets see how many people join them.
david sabillon yea just 6 dioceses. It’s truly a cult of pedophiles.
The financial implications are going to be huge and might bring it down. Glad I was able to visit the Vatican last year before they have to sell the curtains.
I was once friends with a Catholic that denied the CSA problem was widespread and insisted it was the fault of a few bad priests. I'm ashamed to say that I did not push further at the time, not wanting to risk our friendship.
i feel sick...
We have extremely good reason to believe my uncle was repeatedly molested by a priest. He wound up a drug addict, failed out of college, and dropped all connection to the family. He did finally get sober, but not without a lot of heartbreak along the way. We still have almost no connection to him- I’m 31 and I’ve met him exactly once, at my little brothers funeral 19 years ago.
He will not come forward as a victim. We sincerely doubt he’ll ever even confirm it to anyone he knows. (We have court documents that track 4 victims and yet name only 3. The fourth child that was present was my uncle. He never joined the class action suit.) I hope he’s getting therapy, but I sincerely doubt it.
Those asshole priests robbed my family of a member and robbed his children of a father. I’ve only recently met the kids he abandoned rather young and they call him their sperm donor.
That's a sad and unfortunately not uncommon story. When individuals like your uncle do present in court the defense will argue because of their drug, criminal and lifestyle history they cannot be trusted. Imagine that, once victimized by religion you'll be brutalized for the rest of your life by them.
The pope could be one of them himself, so he can't do anything or other priests would implicate him as well.
The scale of the abuse just in Pennsylvania is staggering. Seems like we may be looking at the tip of a very ugly iceberg.
There's no "seems" about it. It is the tip.
When Jesus is not enough.....
I don't really blame Jesus. I think if he knew what his church has turned into he'd be pretty pissed off actually.
Or he'd kill himself
And as usual, Francis does nothing but offer empty words. If that creep wants to show actual contrition, he'd turn over all evidence the church has, including where the rapists have been sent around to avoid being punished, and to cooperate fully with respective law enforcement.
Quit the religion
Why do they think this is news? Why is anyone surprised at all??????
edit: The catholic church reminds me of my ex husband. "I'm sorry! I'll never do it again!" in both cases that's always been lies. They are just sorry they got caught. The moment they get that "another chance" it's more of the same.
Now, I'm not atheist so I'm going to try not to judge but... I quit my ex husband and Id never be part of this. The catholic church has a long and bloody history. This is really not even close to new or the only time they've done and covered up terrible things.
To be fair, I was friends with a Catholic who didn't attend mass because her families concerns about this exact sort of thing. "See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" is a big part of the catholic church and its ranking "authority"- they did an unblessed communion. this was more than fifteen years ago.
The Pope should invoke his infallibility clause and declare that all priests who are found to be paedophiles be stripped of their priesthood, excommunicated and made anathema, and further abolish the celibacy requirements fo priesthood. Nothing less is at all acceptable. Governments worldwide should start prosecuting the church as an entity under whatever equivalent of RICO laws they may have as an organised paedophile ring.
Why are these people not put in jail like everyone else would be?
they invented Jesus and the HOLY SPIRIT
I wouldn't talk like that you never know what you're future holds.Three months ago if you told me I would become an atheist. I would have thought you were out of your mind.
Hate is "self hate" one cannot hate without hating one's own self.
The task is "love"
Love your self unconditionally
Forgive your self
Be filled with the gratitude of each individual breath
I'll take CATHOLICS over FUNDIES at least!
How about NEITHER
-Signed, an Ex-Catholic
At the time of this post, there are almost 100 dislikes... really makes me sadly wonder about some people.
The institution a billion people consider the most moral directly committing and covering up debatably the most repugnant evil.
so far, 14 priests who are tired of not unpacking suitcases gave this a thumbs down
If the blurb at the end of God's Not Dead 2 is any indication, 3 will address how _oppressive_ it would theoretically be for the government to regularly check on what the church is teaching and spending its money on, _as is done with most organizations._ Won't that be a fun movie in light of this?
I quit when I was 12. Had to sit in the hall during religion class cuz I asked inappropriate questions. Religion is a complete waste of time. Tax them.
I was locked in a room under the rectory. My lunch was thrown away. I poke holes in asbestos pipes with my pencil. Then I chewed on my pencil because I was so bored. It was done so much I thought it was normal. So I never told my parents. My mom saw everything with rose colored glasses so she was naive and stupid. My parents always side with the teacher never believed anything I told him when I did tell him. Then after I grew up I told him about the stuff that happened and they said why did I tell them and I did but they didn't listen. So now I just don't go to church waste my time.
To be firm and fair is not being harsh.
Hi Mr Andrews.
As circumcision is accepted as a religious practice, then would it not be reasonable to make it a mandatory procedure for Catholic priests, when ordained, to have their genitalia removed as a declaration of their true support in their Catholic church's belief in celibacy?
Would this be a justified attempt to elimination paedophilia in the Catholic church?
Could this method possibly subjugate and deter paedophiles who are enjoying the privileged protection of the Catholic church?
Would this approach be a reliable, serious, profound, justifiable and truly dedicated method to certify the teachings of the Catholic church's religious beliefs?
I would suggest the Pope put this proposition to his God the next time he's in a conference with him and if God were to approve and found to be in agreement,
perhaps the Pope could show his own profound dedication by volunteering to be up first for the surgical procedure?
Alternately as much as I am enjoying the slow demise of this corrupt organisation, my personal prefered method for solving this problem would be to close the whole thing down because, I'm sure, the crimes will continue until the perpetrators are brought to justice and incarcerated.
Aman.
It's times like these I would have liked to be apart of the church just so I could leave it. Kind of hard to make a point if I've never stepped inside that church.
And church members would call what I do with my partners sinful and evil, but I follow strict rules of consent and an age requirement. Apparently the BDSM community could teach Catholics how to be good human beings.
Thank you so much for precisely calling out this depraved harm.