2016 Toyota 4Runner TRD Pro vs 1995 Jeep Wrangler vs Gold Mine Hill: DiffLock Ep.4
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this episode was great! I love father and son collaboration!
This question is for Tommy: when are you going to study the effects of decreasing the air pressure in the tires on your Jeep? that would make for a great episode of diff lock.
Today, please stay tuned for the video.
+The Fast Lane Car I eagerly await your conclusions.
+The Fast Lane Car when are you going to upload ep 5?
+The Fast Lane Car do you go to CU? pretty sure ive seen your jeep around
+sjpro1 Yes I do!
My conclusion... Tommy is a more skilled off-road driver than his dad. ;-) the camera doesn't lie..
His father always admits Tommy is the best off road driver in the family
When I watched this with the General AT2s, I was encouraged to try them on my 87 YJ. I did and what a pleasure both on the street and trail. We just were hunting in the High Uintahs of Utah and awoke to a foot and 1 half of snow that came after 2 days of slime producing rain. My tracks were the only ones upt the very steep trail and the only ones to get to the top of the mountain (including ATV/UTVs) There were attempts but they had to turn around. Mine is the 6 cylinder 5 speed. I've got no lockers or special equipment. The old Jeep just amazed me and the tires went everywhere the more aggressive tires went. During the week, we experienced axle deep bogs and steep slime as well as rock. Those AT2s are unbelievable. You really should talk more about them.
Both worthy off-road vehicles and a what a great trail to take them out on. Nice video!
Found this video in 2022, crazy how much Tommy, Roman, Andre and this channel have grown. Now Tommy’s got a JL. Good work boys!
Can't beat that 4Runner! Now let's see a head to head with the TRD Pro versions of the 4Runner, the Tundra, and the Tacoma.
Awesome father/son team. I hope I have the same bond with my boys when they get older. Love your reviews and videos!
Tommy is a natural. Great vid, guys.
Tommy knows how to wheel he should be in more of the off roading episodes.
Absolutely LOVE this series. Thank You and have a Blessed day everyone
should have compared the Jeep to an equal year land cruiser.
wouldnt that be worse? that Toyota might just drop to the bottom of the hill
+723lion you mean like the jeeps of today would?
Nope. Tommy would say unfair you have a V8
4Runner for the win the Toyota has something a jeep will never have and it's called reliability
Lol yep nothing says reliability like your brakes not working.
+Baticon I'm not even a Toyota fan but any smart person would know that Toyota is way more reliable than shit fiat
+MrEroupe I second this. Love my 4.0. Never had a single problem with it, or the rest of the jeep for that matter.
+MrEroupe right, thats why 215000 miles 4 runner had to oull my buddies jeep out the other day lol
Toyota for the win its all about GM and Toyota
Its a fun video and we all enjoyed Tommy and Roman! I personally own this exact 4 runner and its worth every single penny. Great Resale value. Great 4X4 system. Plus all the extras you get with a daily driver that you want and need. Keep up the good work. Like you Roman my son has a 2009 Jeep and I go 4wheeling with him when I can. Either way the day just simply ends up fun! After all isn't that what off roading is all about?
Pretty nice rigs....but I'd rather own an 4.0 xj, wrangler 4.0, 1st Gen toyo 22re, 3rd Gen pickup 22re... and 5th gen 3.4 trd. ...all for less than half of that shiny 50 k suv
That 4runner color. Just amazing
Blends 100%with dirt. Perfect 4 camouflage when camping.
I was going to purchase a Jeep GC Hemi. But after years of trying to make excuses as to why I keep facing reliability issues, we purchased the 2015 4Runner Limited and its the best decision ever!! a true work vehicle, it's got that suspension that beautifully adjusts itself on turn that makes it feel like as though your in a plane when it turns ( I think it's for the limited edition only) and a self adjusting suspension. I towed a large uhual trailer and I maxed out the 2 axel trailer. The 4runner didn't dip below 2.5 inches. I did close to 1800 miles nonstop. NO issues with heating, breaks, signs. something that Jeep was never able to provide.
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Great choice Toyota always work better
Taras Pylypiv No it doesnt, any common, offroad vehicle that is well maintained and not beaten to shit will be reliable.
brakes...
I like these episodes with your family. Awesome series!! Keep them coming
Put A-Trac in the 4Runner and it would be unstoppable like my FJ Cruiser.
Michael Cochran it has a trac
@@blackpepe: It has it but the guy didn't use it.
Like father like son, I see where he picks up on his presentation skills! I really like the family dynamic here. Keep it up everyone, one of my favorite channels!
The Jeep is much lighter that the 4Runner too
+ThatGearHead™ also is shorter
+Edtweet That's not always an advantage lol js
Jalil Burdeen with a power to weight ratio when crawling absolutely
Jalil Burdeen That's an advantage bcz pure off road vehicle is made with that technology
Best one yet! More Diff Lock episodes! Due a head to head with the TFL Rubicon.
should have tried using a-trac before the lockers..
Atrac can be used with or without the locker engaged. Roman doesn’t know how to use it
@@lukestoyz Believe the vehicle has to be in 2wd though.
A-TRAC IS AS GOOD AS LOCKERS FOR OFF ROADING. LOCKERS MORE 4 ROCK CRAWLING.
@@M9A1MAN no 4 lo...
To user A-TRAC needs 4 lo
Great job guys, I am eager to see more, you two make a great team! Keep up the good work
I've always loved 4Runners and Tacomas!
I really like the "affordable" concept behind Diff Lock, and I think it's important to remind people who are commenting to mod the heck out of your Jeep the line about "Affordable off-road adventure". I have a 97 4Runner myself, and it was very much a budget build up of my daily driver when I started doing things to it 5 years ago.
I think a really cool point you can really drive home (pun) in this video is that a decent set of aggressive tires will greatly enhance your off-road capabilities in a near-stock Jeep or 4Runner platform. Even before I put on a 3" lift, I got the same set of Yokohama Geolander A/TS that it looks like you had and it really turned my truck into a very capable bone-stock off-roader!
Over the 5 years of grad-school budget modding, I was able to get a 3" lift, and it's perfect for what I need. It was still my daily driver up until a few weeks ago, so I didn't want to do anything too crazy to it. Plus, my off-road needs aren't crazy since I'm also in Colorado like going off-road mainly for the harder to get to primitive camping, trailhead access to climbs, etc., and less the rock-crawling up Lake Como busting a CV axle kind of stuff.
Keep up the good work, and hope to see you out on the trail!
Son and dad reviewing... . Too dope! And Where's Nathan?
Good to see Tommy following in dad's footsteps, TFL will be in good hands :) I purchased this TRD Pro model 1 year ago this month and have not looked back, I love it. Will be curious to see how the next gen looks when Toyota adds styling cues from the new Tacoma.
I'm just here for the comments.
You're doing a good job with this series Tommy.
The shorter wheel base was a huge advantage for the Jeep.
+fredmagic09 On tight trails yes but shorter wheel base tends to make climbing more difficult compared to a longer wheel base.
+Dwalk22 boss you hit the nail on the head with your statement!
Can you explain how a longer wheel base helps climbing?
William Thatcher It's easier to flip a vehicle with a shorter wheelbase. That's why uphill dirtbikes have such insanely long swingarms.
Exactly. Too much excitement about Jeep vs Toyota, but weight and wheelbase were not comparable.
Loving all these episodes this is my new fix. Great stuff guys. Although it's hard to work around the fuel stuff because here in UK, we have 95 and 100 octane fuel plus high cetane diesel.
the pro would have probably made it up both areas if he had used ATRAC by itself which simulates a locker
I like this series. Yay to more Difflock episodes.
If you're not going to use the A-TRAC/CRAWL Control/etc, then what's the point of the comparison?
I thought this was supposed to be old vs new, but was really just live axles + short wheelbase vs F IFS/R live axle with a locker.
Hey that was great! Nice to see you out with your boy, Roman!
if the 4runner would have hit the rut as fast as the jeep did the 4runner would have had no problem either. if u wanna crawl air down.
I'm 47 seconds into the video. I am already going to give this a thumbs up because you put the white lettering facing out. Thank you.
All the 4Runner needed was Atrac (traction) on and wouldn't of needed the locker on.
*wouldn't have
Agreed. Modern BTrac (break-traction control) over-performs rear lock differential and in some cases dual axis lock diff
I just installed new 33x12.5 R15 BF Goodrich All Terrain K/M tires on my old Jeep. They are noisy on the interstate but they are so much better than the 31x12.5 R15 Firestone destination, just noisy. It is so easy to get over obstacles and get under my Jeep now. I do not have to get on my belly anymore.
To many people are taking this way to seriously. I have owned both vehicles while interesting to watch it's not realistic to compare them. For example drive that jeep at 95 mph (if it could) down a hwy. Or even comparing them as daily drivers 4Runner hands down. Tires are a huge deal off road. Could go on and on. Driving style is another issue itself. So while fun to compare and watch it's just not practical or reasonable. So ok don't get butt hurt. 😁
Exactly, there's enough love in the world for Toyotas AND Jeeps. Both are very cool vehicles.
I agree. The 4Runner is a larger and heavier SUV. It still has the same amount of traction (4 wheels) to use to haul itself up the hill, so the weight is working against it.
A more apples to apples comparison would be a 4 door Jeep Cherokee vs the 4Runner.
But it was still an interesting video. I'm surprised the 4Runner did as well as it did.
dahveed284 you are surprised? Lol do you know what a TRD is?
@@ryoamora8655: Except that jeep love is a cult while Toyota is indeed amazing. Also, there are virtually no jeeps outside of US - you won't find them anywhere where life depends on a vehicle. Unlike Toyota.
Great vid, goes to show old jeeps are tough. However, that trd pro is nice...
Left foot braking would clean those climbs and save the drivetrains from having to rely on speed.
I really enjoyed watching that YJ doing it's thing.
Great video, have to go with the Toyota!
You guys are awesome love the video. I'm picking myself up a 98 Jeep Wrangler.
Where is the 2017 FJ cruiser TRD Pro!? That would be sweet.
Fugue State too wide it would get stuck on that hill probably
great video! I love the mash ups between vehicles that may or may not be direct competition towards one another. tire reviews would be great to see and I hope you can get a tire sponsor! thanks again!!
Tommy, Great job with the Jeep but since I'm 52 years old and already did my hard core wheeling stuff as a younger man I'd rather have the new technology and softness of a new vehicle and put a little bigger and better tires on it.
Fair enough
Buy a Buick or a caddy
Love both vehicles!👍
Roman messed up by putting the 4runner in 4Lo. When you drive in 4Lo your vehicle/wheels create more torque, 4Lo is the opposite of 4Hi as it creates less traction, and it wouldn't be suitable for driving in snow, ice, mud, or dry roads. 4Lo is meant for high incline rock climbs, when towing, and maneuvering a heavy trailer.
The 4Runner's wheelbase was the problem. Anywhere below 30 mph or so and he would have lost traction and gotten stuck regardless of gearing.
k well they said they put the jeep in 4low too right? so they were equally disadvantaged...
4lo absolutely does not "create less traction". It simply provides a lower gear ratio which multiplies the torque to the wheels, therefore making it easier to overcome the available traction.
This is awesome! You guys must be having a blast doing videos!
If you had lockers on that Jeep, it would he unstoppable.
+kdu8004 pretty sure he has limited slip front at least, he just wont stay on the gas.
If frogs had wings, they wouldn't bump their ass when they hopped.
Jeeps are great but the best off road vehicles are land cruisers , lx 470 and lx 570, and 4runners
George Guzman literally none of those you listed would beat a Jeep Wrangler off roading.
+George Guzman A STOCK Wrangler would embarrass everything you just listed....Toyotas are supremely reliable, but not as capable as the Jeep
love this videos, that's the way I don't get bored in quarantine :)
short wheel base always helps every time
Not to mention being smaller and lighter.
Jeremy Orr And much less weight
Love both of these, love the Jeep so much but I am big fan of the 4runners now and even have one both I would love to drive every day
Tommy, your Jeep is getting better by the day. Good video dude.
It was a wonderful day today, so went up to the Switzerland Trail (another of Colorado's many abandoned narrow gauge railroad road beds). While the temps were nice and in the low sixties, it also made the snow like greased snot.
Gold Mine Hill, fail. Could only go 2/3 of the way to the curve.
For those of you who have not seen this hill in person covered in snow, you don't know squat.
That rock obstacle in the video, fail. Muddy approach, and my wheel base put me having three tires trying to go up and over at the same time. No, I didn't air down, was too lazy.
Spoke to Tommy. Very nice kid and very willing to strike up a conversation. Good job Roman.
+Donald Weber Hey Donald, It was great meeting you today! You have to try again once the snow melts!
-Tommy
+TFLclassics I did them last weekend with no issues, in either high range or low range, with tires at street pressure and at 15 psi. Amazing what two weeks will do. The "part two" is fun doing it in high range with a manual transmission.
Yeah you guys know the Jeep won both contests. I love Toyota and I like Jeeps but I am also a big fan of old school off road tech, it just works and if the Jeep had a locker it wouldn't even be a contest. On a side note I have had a couple sets of those Grabber AT2's and they are nothing short of amazing. (Especially in the snow)
After one year, your grabber separated thread. Grab my ass!
Another fun video. Nice job! Scott
Why is this called "DiffLock Ep..." if no one is using a diff lock???
+black300tt Exactly what I was thinking
black300tt toyota used lockers to get up 3rd hill
It's ironic that the series is called Diff Lock but the Wrangler used for it doesn't have a diff lock. Great video, guys. I'm hoping to see some '16 Tacoma Off Road fun in the future.
worst comparison video ever. The only way to test a 4x4's is for them to have identical tires at identical pressures on identical terrain...so basically this video is like comparing a banana to a space shuttle. Good job guys!!!!
Just goes to show that imports aren't automatically crap. Toyota and the Jeep performed great! love them both.
" oh idk if he can do it with his 20 year old technology".
Fancy little wires computers don't get you up a hill bud. never underestimate an oldjeep especially compared to todays garbage
i'm with you Alex. & a locking diff is not NEW technology
+raul campos lol yea, this guy's offroad knowledge is so off into space, he honestly sounds like a moron
Alex Ottomano im pro 4runner and even i agree
A stock TRD can go anywhere a stock jeep can go, regardless of the year...
There is actually a ton of off-road tech in the 4runner and taco that was not discussed or used in this video.
I do love this video, along with all of your other videos. And, this is not a criticism at all. I would love to see this video with the 4Runner having "A-Trac" turned on since the Jeep has a similar system that can't be turned off, and you can see that system working in the video. That would be a perfectly fair fight in my opinion. But, for people who don't own the 4Runner, you wouldn't know that. I love seeing Tommy and Roman in videos together, it just shows a great father and son bond. I know y'all likely won't read this, but keep up the great videos and I'm so glad that y'all have the friendship that y'all have. That is one of the main reasons I follow your channels, is because you can tell that all of y'all really are good friends and y'all have fun with each video. So long as y'all keep having fun, people will watch. I hope y'all surpass the 1M follower mark soon
Is a rear axle swap and locker install in the future for that YJ?
Very cool. I go out with a friend with a Jeep. The weight of the vehicle and length give him an advantage along with the wide big tires and the fact that he is a well seasoned driver. Neither of us have rear lockers. I have a CDL and A-track though. A lot of fun. A good driver in a stock Jeep can go just about anywhere.
If you had the jeep tires on the Toyota, you'll be unstoppable off road !!!
I don't think so.
if you had no breaks you would be unstoppable off road !!!
if you had a runaway engine you would be unstoppable off road !!!
if you were free falling from space you would be unstoppable off road !!!
Just drove my brother's 4Runner after he installed the Magnuson supercharger.. The dinometer showed a 35% gain.. 350hp to the rear tires (almost 100hp gain).. Needless to say i just ordered one for my 2020 TRD Off Road lol
I have 3 thing's to say. Tommy whopped you like a red headed step child. Secondly people have been taking their jeeps through this type of stuff since 1941. Lastly you should do a viewer special where you get viewers to go up goldmine hill.
Great video! Wanted to point out a small mistake... General Tire is misspelled in the credits at the end. Hopefully you can fix it before they see. Great that you guys got a tire sponsor!!!
great job! love it.
Jeep is Jeep, it's ugly but it designed for what it for. Thumbs up!
Jeep's are beautiful
The Toyota is butt ugly trying to look like a ram. Jeeps are charming!
The quality of this video is insane
the dude driving the 4runner really shows his lack of knowledge overall driving and the truck platform
I love this video, there are no criticisms here. After watching this, I still bought the Pro (for various reasons I chose that over the Trail) and I will say, knowing what I do now, I think it would have been more fair for the 4Runner to have A-Trac on. Jeeps have their own version of this that you cannot turn off that really help the vehicles get through tough situations. Again, not a criticism, but I did want to point that out. Love y'all's videos, keep them up!
Ha, Jeep won!! Great and fun video.
Love that 95 YJ! More DiffLock Episodes please!!
if the Jeep is 20 years old then you should have compared it to an old FJ 40 or an old Landcruiser and put the same tires on both vehicles to make it fair
That would be cool but all we need is an FJ 40 and another set of tires. Please watch this video a few million more times so we can raise the money for your suggestion.
The Fast Lane Car when you compare vehicles don't you think you should compare apples to apples?
Sure, we do a lot of that as well: th-cam.com/video/teCnz1CucE0/w-d-xo.html
The Fast Lane Car i'm sure you do that too, all i'm saying is that it should always be a fair fight like using the same tires on both vehicles for example, i know tires cost money but i'm sure TFL can afford them
+guy proulx Thanks for the comment but we work on TH-cam money. This video was shot by Roman and Tommy who also edited and produced it. There's no money for test tires, let alone the wheels we would need to mount them on.
The tires on the old Jeep are great tires had them on my dodge Durango’s gen 1 and they rocked it love the General grabber at tires
Now pit that "Top of the line" 2016 4Runner up against a Top of the line Jeep Wrangler Rubicon and see what happens. It will make that 4Runner look bad, I guarantee it. And, by the way, I own both a 4Runner and a Jeep right now. They're both great vehicles, but the 4Runner is not going to outdo the Jeep off road.
+Phil Harris Bull shit, nobody owns 4runner and a Jeep at the same time.
+Laifer Reyes OK. Whatever you say there skippy.
it will out do the jeep offroad, but the trd toyota and the jeep are intended for different terrains, when was the last time you saw a 2000 or newer trd tacoma crawling and the last time you saw a jeep somehwere like pismo?
I pulled one out with my 2003 sport 4 runner it might of been driver error?
that one guy aye, most Toyota enthusiasts with newer gen yotas usually go long travel, never see new gen Toyota "rock crawler"
Just got a set of General Grabber AT2s as well. Love em
These are not same types exactly. Fully lockable Wrangler should be against Toyota 70's series which is not on sale in US. There are not many front lock diff cars on the road nowadays. Sure, there are many in Russia.
+symmetry08 Well yeah they have to have lockable front and rear axles to crawl over the wreaks of the cars it hits. Love me some dash cam lmao
General Grabber AT2 are a great tire that does not break the bank. also they are not very noisy on the hwy, they also wear pretty good. I run them on my SUV. and am very happy.
good job Tommy with the Jeep. nice rig.
So they're a draw to snow and rocks...the Runner never put on Crawl Mode, the yota would have ate that shit up.
Best episode yet.
My 85 toyota pickup would do all this no problem
I second that
Wow best color for the 4runner pro ! Stage 3 would have been easy only with the A Track on !
I really dont care the toyota was much better
Not gonna lie, watching Fast Lane Car off road vids makes me want to go offroading. Never wanted to for the sake of preserving my family's '04 Jeep GC, but it's 4.0L I-6 just started having rod knock because apparently the valve-cover gasket had been leaking for some time now... What a shame for such a simply fix, but perhaps it's a perfect excuse to tear it up on some beaten paths. Hmmm lol...
Jeep > Toyota as usual
roxas the rogue says nobody that knows off roading ever
jeep is better that Toyota because they have been making off road cars longer than Toyota, but for street I would choose a Toyota for its reliability
roxas the rogue Not without 50K in mods. ..
+roxas the rogue I think 4 runner is better with 4X4
I'll take my 85 4Runner (last year of solid front axle in US market) or my FJ40 Landcruiser ANY day over ANY Jeep. Toyota quality just can't be beat. Go to areas of the world with the harshest environments. What do you see? Toyotas.
To be fair, an IFS Toyota isn't gonna be as capable as a solid axle Jeep.
Really good episode, loved the comparison of diff lock vs no diff lock!Now you have to take the Jeep Rubicon to gold mine hill!
it's funny you're comparing a 95 Wrangler to a 2016 ultimate 4Runner. The 2016 4Runner TRD Pro doesn't stand a chance against a 2016 Wrangler Rubicon
corey bush Well the 4Runner will still be going on 20 years, idk about these Italian jeeps.
more diff lock man. it's become a favorite fast lane playlist.
old technology and solid axles all the way...
great video.. love the father and son.. more family oriented. more realistic.
How are you gonna compare a '95 to a '16
Lmao
The 4runner 98' would still destroy that jeep
+Plup hope you're joking
he's not I got a 95 it smokes a jeep
Clint Lopez watch video again
Arthur G because if this crappy Toyota would vs a new jeep the video would be even more pointless as the new jeep would demolish this.
I've had the General Grabber AT2's (305/70/16) for a few years now on my JK and they've been great and one of the few AT's that are severe winter rated (snowflake on sidewall) which is must up here in Canada. They also have a high mileage rating and are quite inexpensive.
*TOYOTA for the win*
TOYOTA...“let's Go Places"! ;)
CR2504life cheated with lockers took 3 tries I Call this a draw. lol
lol, i call it a win for the jeep. no lockers, 20 years older AND made it up everything on the first go. JEEP FOR THE WIN!
92ext Thats not a Jeep. Its a YJ. Look for the military or civilian designator MB, GPW, M(?),or CJ. If the 'Jeep' in question does not have this designator or a Willys stamping it is not a 'Jeep'.
While the YJ has some redeaming qualitys its still an early corporate attempt to blend Cadilac comfort with 4 wheel drive. It is interesting that AMC corporate recognised the North American Mangina epidemic early on. Fielding an all new market of cuddly, soft, and mechanically compromised 4x4s.. Turned out to be a perfect fit for a new generation of posh MetroSexuals trapped in the closet of denial.
You can come out now fellas. Theres nothing wrong with driving a Prius or scratching your vintage itch with a 914 Porsche.
"Blend Cadillac comfort with 4wd". Uhh have you ever ridden in a YJ? It's still solid axles and leaf springs all around. It's about as comfortable as getting kicked in the nuts. I like the willys and CJ's also, but frankly the cost of a decent CJ is 3-4 times that of a comparable condition YJ these days. That's what I like to call an asshole tax and I refuse to pay it for a worse handling, rougher riding vehicle, however "cool" they may be.
Great job integrating your son to this show. I enjoyed watching this
Doesn't that YJ have a rear posi? I dunno but I think so. So using the locker in the T4R would be fair.
But even if you didn't use it, I suppose if the driver knew how to use the left foot braking technique instead of just trying the "blast through it" technique he probably would have made it.
They typically did not.