As a person who is a vendor at statewide art and metaphysical festivals throughout Florida, I understand what it is you're saying. There are so many vendors selling premade items, and I'd rather see handmade items. I make 100% soy wax candles, wire wrapped jewelry and body aromatherapy products with my own two hands - it's a shame that we now rely on Amazon for producing our inventory as business owners.
Another problem with the likes of Amazon and eBay is that the companies selling on them take great pains to disguise the country of origin, which is usually China. I want to buy Pagan jewellery made in Pagan countries by Pagans.
@@dpstrial what is the religious tradition of China? Most of them aren't Christian, I know that. Hinduism, I believe, is a pagan religion, there are a bunch of Hindu gods I believe that are worshipped in Hindu temples. There is Shintoism, which I believe is also a pagan religion because they have many gods as well.
@@thomaskalbfus2005 The definition of Paganism I am using relates purely to the religious practices of pre-Christian Europe, especially Germanic, Nordic and Celtic - not Confucian or Buddhist, etc.
@@dpstrial well China let lose the Corona virus, they've been stealing our tech, and making aggressive moves toward their neighbors in Asia, so I'm not well disposed to them at the moment. The population of pagans in Europe, and North America is small, so in order to support themselves, the craftsmen and crafts women will have to charge higher prices. I like the Roman and Greek statuary by the way, the examples of Norse idols look a bit crude compared to the classical Greek and Roman statues, at least the ones I've seen. There is a painting of Aphodite/Venus in a cave, which I like very much.
@@thomaskalbfus2005 My main argument against buying Chinese goods is that they are usually very shoddily made, hence their low price. I agree with you that the CCP is an evil organisation, one never to be trusted. Of course a genuine Pagan craftsman will not come cheap, but unless you deal with the artisan himself, it is very hard to know whether he is actually Chinese, masquerading as a native European. Ancient Pagan art is very crude, when compared with most things, but to me it is the spiritual value of the objects or depictions that appeals to me - animism? The beauty and sophistication of the art that has emanated from Roman Catholicism cannot be surpassed in my opinion; however, it holds little spiritual value to me. It is pure aestheticism.
When pagans of different paths are together in a group setting, I feel that the best experience is just being able to speak one on one, face to face with other people in a fellowship environment. Sabbats of old were about community and gatherings and sharing food and fellowship. Those rites should be simple and more effort spent on enjoying each other’s company.
I feel pretty much the same, I’m a Germanic pagan with no IRL community where I am. I love when I’m able to go to a festival and support artisans in their craeft, I value crafting traditions deeply, whether it be cultural or familial. I’m learning to quilt, which is a tradition my great great grandmother started and it ended with my mom and her sisters as they never learned, but I don’t want the practice to die. There’s a book I read earlier this year called Craeft: An Inquiry into the Origins and True Meaning of Traditional Crafts by Alexander Langlands, his writing is pretty dry at times and it’s almost entirely focused on Anglo-Saxon/English traditions but it did help me think about traditional crafts differently, from the ways a culture specifically values and uses sticks and stones to the building of houses. It would be great if we had gatherings that were more specific to particular practices and pantheons, like a Germanic pagan gathering where you can go and watch people make tablet belts and listen to PhDs discuss topics on archeology and the sagas, maybe an Old Norse language workshop. Something like that would also be a great place for people of other traditions to come and learn about our ancestors and pre-Christian culture, it would really help others to differentiate polytheists from each other in the monotheistic mind. Most of my friends were surprised to find out about my beliefs cause they just thought all pagans were wild hippies or (insert pop culture Wiccan stereotype). I know we pagans enjoy our privacy and serenity but we also need to become more visible and invite people to come learn about us, if we’re ever going to be understood and taken just as seriously as Christians or Hindus.
I also agree with your view. As a folktale collector I have experienced what a treasure some traditions can be. All in all it makes a good foundation of elements of the belief because I even found stories about some deities in it. That you mentioned archeology is also great and helpful. At this point I can recommend Arith Härger's channel. I personally create figures of spirits and deities of self-hardening clay.
I would love to see a focus on folkish practices return. I believe honoring the practices of our ancient ancestors are our responsibility to uphold and pass on. A focus on community groups that share ancestry would allow for deep connection to those gods and ancestors while working on spiritual practice and enrichment. That being said, I think there is a certain place for "big tent" events, it's kind of a fun way to explore other perspectives and tap into your own spirituality on another level. I would envision smaller, folkish groups being more like a coven or grove setting where you work with your folk on a regular basis and share the same practices. The large events would be more sporadic and not as important to spiritual growth, but still fun. And honestly I do like shopping, so there is that. ;) I love your idea of having focused rituals during the large events!
I'm Roman polytheist. In this community we have rather the opposite problem. There are too many small communities like Nova Roma, the Roman Republic, Communitas Populi Romani, Associazione Tradizionale Pietas etc. So I have tried to unite all these communities into one unified system of institutions, but it seems impossible. Every group insists on their own way and their own hierarchy and nobody is willing to compromise. I have the impression that people like to see it as a role play, and everybody wants to be flamen or sacerdos. It's like an army with lots of generals and no common soldiers. I wish people could take this a little bit more serious and not just as a game, where you try to collect titles and disguise in funny ways.
Exactly. The ability to have hierarchy and order within the community is what makes the difference between a homeless encampment and a grand city. We know what the Romans are capable of when they're organized. It's beautiful, and we need that
Hello. I notice that the planets of the Solar System were named after Roman gods and goddesses. There is something that could be done with the planet Venus, its atmosphere is made out of mostly carbon-dioxide, with nanotechnology, we can convert that to a carbon based semiconductor computer, leaving oxygen an nitrogen in the atmosphere, import some hydrogen from the outer solar system and make water, this will transfer the waste heat from the interior to the surface to keep the circuits cool. Then we can create an AI program, basically build the goddess.
Role play? As in Dungeons & Dragons? I am not sure how the ancient religion was organized, but like many religions at the time, it was a state religion, each civilization had it's own set of gods, back in the day it was the Roman Empire and before that the Republic, but that civilization is no more. When the Roman Empire died, the Catholic Church continued on as an international religion for Western Europe, but there was no Pope for the Roman Pantheon, the Empire had converted to Christianity at that time. What does the Roman religion look like when there is no Empire? I figure it is open to interpretation, you try to figure out what the gods want, and if your wrong your wrong.
@Zu Both religions had their days in the Sun, plenty of Christian's were fed to the Lions, the Jews were expelled from Judea and Israel, and the Romans were famous for making the cross a christian symbol. The Emperor, I believe was in charge of the Roman religion, he had the Senate make him a "god" in prechristian times and in the late Roman Empire, he picked the Popes for the Roman Church. The State was the religious authority in the days of the Empire, and when the Empire split, so did the Church. When the Western Roman Empire fell, the Church remained and it got used to governing itself in the absence of a secular authority to govern it, the kingdoms of western Europe accepted the Church's authority in the religious sphere. and the Church in turn gave the secular authorities lots of leeway in running their kingdoms, as they did not want to lose their adherents within those kingdoms. The pagan traditions fell out of favor before the Empire fell, some people continued to worship those gods in private, they did what the Christian's did prior to Christianity becoming the official religion of the Roman Empire, they met in secret. The Roman Empire is what organized the Catholic Church, they decided what to include in the Bible and what to leave out, before the Roman's adopted Christianity, there were many different Christian groups and little agreement among them.
@Zu what's your position on Emperor worship then? Why do you think the emperors gave up their official godhood in favor of the Christian religion and being head of the Church? The problem with emperors claiming to be gods is that emperors die, and the next emperor has to explain why the previous immortal god has died. Christianity is a more absolutist religion, you can't have the Iliad and they Odyssey with the one true God. Much of the tension in the story comes from conflict between the gods.
What is your ideal IRL Pagan community? How would it be structured and what events would be included? Share your ideas in the comments. I'm looking forward to reading all your thoughts & ideas. :)
Blessed Be, Magi Verdi here! I definitely agree with you in a lot of the points here: that there should be more focus in teaching and learning in the community. While there's a ton of information available online, we need more workshops and lessons that cover not just the basics, but even in-depth topics. On the side of selling stuff, yes, I'd definitely want to see more handmade products and not so much on low-grade overly commercialized items (which, unfortunately, may have been produced in unethical means).
As a solitary pagan witch, I would relish an opportunity to gather with other pagans to learn and commune in a festive space. I think more festivals with open rituals and workshops would be so much fun, and I really hope I can go to my first one soon! I am in the camp of the new generations view that we don’t need a governing body. We have our roots in an old religious path, but ultimately, us contemporary pagans are something very new and we don’t need to be bogged down with the bureaucracy of traditional religion. Let’s just all accept that no one is going to believe exactly what we believe, and that is totally okay and welcomed!
I was around for some of the Pagan Community building that went on in the 80's such as the Covenant of Unitarian Universalist Pagans (CUUPS) which managed to get "Spiritual teachings of Earth-centered traditions which celebrate the sacred circle of life and instruct us to live in harmony with the rhythms of nature." added as one of the "sources" of the UU faith. It was new and bold but also limiting. It soon became clear to me that a "big tent" spirituality and an initiatory tradition were at odds with each other. Everyone was so busy trying not to offend that a lot was lost. I do really like the idea of hand made objects and an educational focus. Many years ago I took some blacksmithing and knife making workshops and have applied this knowledge into my own spiritual path. Many "Makers" lean Pagan and I think that is an untapped resource.
Strong communities are built on a strong coherence of values, practices, and intragroup chemistry among the members. The shift from "Big Tent" Paganism to decentralized smaller groups/tribes is basically a return to how Paganism functioned prior to the modern era. I think a lot of this will be driven by natural friendships. You will circle best and work magic most effectively with the people you actually resonate with, like, and respect.
Hi, I'm from Argentina. I agree with what you've said that focussing on teaching and learning spaces would be better and granting that knowledge more accesibly. Creating a space where people who are not pagan can also ask and learn so they don't judge pagans out of missbeliefs and wrong notions of paganism or wichcraft. I'd love to see the day that it can be shared more openly.💋
I totally agree with getting the focus off materialism and focus on the spirituality of paganism and gaining knowledge about mythology, ritual, community bonding and celebrations.
We're very lucky here in South Africa. We have a safe space where all are welcome. There are different kind of meditations, amazing workshops (wands, dreamcatchers and more), singing circles, etc. Amazing community where each person with their own personal practice shares and educates others. The space is called the Wild Community Centre, and the amazing people from Akasha Healing, Crystalign, Kitchen Witch Crafts, and more.
Scarlet I'm with you and I want to attend IRL and I did attend a Holistic one near me last year around this time, but again I am the type of person that has to feel the item out before buying it which is the reason why I don't really shop online with my crystals and stuff except for books. I want to take a class on Herbs because I love how our ancestors used them, but mainly on the Scandinavian's side of things because you really don't hear much or people don't talk about them they put it all together with Herbalism. Plus I think it would be good for the beginners or those who are new interactions with people who have been where they are at and talk in person ask questions and learn. They will find kinships those they meet which is the best thing about our community.
To answer your question Scarlet, my IRL Pagan community would look very similar to a standard Ren Fair!. People just reveling, eating and enjoying themselves. Michigan has a lovely festival every year, in a beautiful park set aside just for the event. I will miss it this year. Thanks for all you do.
I agree with you 100%. I've had issues with wanting to buy all these artifacts. It definitely takes away from my spirituality when I fall into this materialistic mindset.
On one hand I agree I would love less consumerism in paganism on the other, it does have its positives. Like for people starting out who don’t have much physical materials to work with or are just testing the waters.
I love the ideas you present. I love the idea of an event with multiple levels of learning and multiple perspectives like pagan, Wicca, traditional and all that. I wish there were events like this all over the place to participate in... I also wish there could be a school whether it be like a college, or even one geared towards younger kids to teach them all about making a besom or a wand or how to draw down the moon... that’s my perfect IRL
I totally agree with you on all the items, I love shopping for handmade witchcraft items but I can instantly spot the things that are cheap bulk selling items because everyone has the same thing.
Where I live, we have a reenactment where you can visit little shops such as the blacksmith, the broom-makers (I buy mine custom from them every year and physically help make it), the soap makers, the candle makers, weavers, you name it. It didn't start out this way but I think the pagans in my area kinda low-key integrated it lol. It's wonderful, though. My son found his passion for working metal from the blacksmith and my daughters learned about making soap last year. We have our regular vendors (plus our jugglers, can't forget them because they're awesome!) and the entire community comes together to learn these things every year. Pretty impressive for a predominantly Christian community :)
Everything in the modern world is reduced to money, every human interaction distilled into commerce, every space translated as a market, every interest people have is converted into hustle, and every idea or object counted as a monetary value. We need to learn that true value comes from connecting with others, building community, expanding our wisdom, developing skills. True fulfilment comes from being of service to something greater than oneself, and most of all, connection with the divine.
I love the points you're making. I always love artisans and being able to purchase from them. Growing up in France, exploring lots of artisans small shops and workshops was always a treat. I'd love if there was more of an educational approach in the Pagan community as well!
I agree with all of that. It is so hard to find community. Having places to gather and do rituals, meet like minded people etc would be awesome. Why we don't have these in every city i dont know, but its time to build them. And on the workshop idea, yes , totally. How great it would be to pay 30 dollars and sit with an adept at besom craft or wand making for a few hours and leave with a besom you made and a beginning knowledge of what woods were used and why. Im in. So how do we make this happen because it involves people coming together with a common goal. Thats the challenge is organizing the people who are interested in seeing temples built in their area. Great topic
As a GenXer involved for a few years in the Chicago community in the 90s, I actually agree with most of what you're saying. I was initiated into what was essentially a Wiccan tradition while not knowing what that really was and how it compared with other traditions. As a solitaire right now, I feel like I'm trying to unlearn some aspects of Wicca right now. I think there does need to be an opportunity to learn about other traditions from practitioners. There was some impressive networking going on in the mid 90s, and I was blessed with the opportunity to sit in on rituals that were from a number of different groups, though I found little difference between them. The Internet pagan communities were small and existed mostly on listserves. I think education would be helpful in many aspects. I am a firm believer in decentralization. The intimacy and power that come from working with people with a similar mindset and a simiilar goal is amazing, but the risk is that some unhealthy group dynamics can develop in some groups--even to the point of developing into a something resembling a cult. In addition to learning about other traditions and practices, learning about healthy group dynamics and communication within groups would be very helpful for people as a whole.
yeah, I tried once tried going to this one group of pagan people's gatherings or whatever. There was almost no freedom of speech, everybody in the group seemed to think the high priests or whatever were all knowing. It was like communism and a dictator, so I noped out of there asap. I am not looking to join other groups for a while because I dont like the high priests to have so much power so I am a more solitary pagan.
That's one of the big reasons why a lot of Pagans are solitaire. I'm solitaire, too, though I have many reasons besides unhealthy group dynamics to choose a solitaire path.
Alone. I have always liked being by myself when I can--and now I can! It's soothing, fun, educational, and playful. I'm worshipping no gods atm and don't feel pulled to anything except for the moon and plants.
I really love the school idea for the community. I think that could really help those who are trying to find their way or learn new things, and maybe help those who are closed minded to start opening up.
I love the idea of a campus sort of thing! I feel like learning from people IRL has so many benefits and I personally work better in a class room rather then online. So if you do this please keep us updated!! Thank you for the video. ❤️❤️
My IRL Pagan community would be a place where you can understand each other. Pagan translates to Ethnic, where I believe people should be very aware about their indigenous folkways. Education is a very good thing, because people need to know where they come from. I do believe the catholic people in the community should perhaps not be included too much. I been to a fair, and I wanted some advice on astral travel and I felt it was a little scary, and someone literally told me I should embrace some kinda archangel called michael. :/ If people would stop bringing their abrahamic desert things into the fairs of Ethnic togetherness, that would be cool :)
I’m new to this, though I have been researching and dabbling into tarot and runes ever since I was a teen… But I would like to have trading of stories and folk tales, of history and other applications of the art. The vending halls would be more along the lines of a meeting of cultures and creations. Physical art, handmade creations, grown and handmade foods and drinks that support what one would consider a small business… I personally would like to have a moment to have a meal and trade words and thoughts and ideas. Maybe some would be philosophical, or of the paths we take, or the experiences we have had along our paths, but that is what I would want to bear witness.
My ideal pagan community would be not just a place for hippies in their 20s but an event where you could take your kids, your whole family, because that is what christians have that we usually dont, a place to gather with family, friends and community
Problem with that is that pagans in general are pretty open with the sex and nudity and a lot of parents haven't shed the prudeness of their Christian years and don't want their kids exposed to that.
Less commercialism? Rituals which each belong to a distinct tradition? Couldn't agree more, although, as a European, commercialism is a bigger problem than generic rituals, here. At least in my neck of the woods, Heathens, Wiccans, Druids and old-school Occultists do not mix with each other the way they seem to do in the U.S., and we have vast geographical distances. Personally, I don't think _one_ IRL Pagan community would be able to fill all the spiritual needs in the life of any modern Pagan, just as there were distinct levels of religion among ancient Pagans: 1. Civic level; 2. household/family level; 3. individual devotional level; 4. (among comparatively few persons) individual mystery level and 5. (among even fewer persons) individual magical, self-improvement level. Different modern groups are able to practice one or two of these levels well, but it is unheard of, that any group is able to combine all five. It's a matter of quite different areas of competence, and I would say that it would be outright counterproductive for everyone involved to try to combine level 2. and level 5. at the same time, for instance. Thank you for your channel! I have no idea why TH-cam recommended you, but the videos of yours I have watched yet have been very nice, indeed. Some impressions of Paganism on the other side of The Pond will widen my horizon.
I think in the earlier days, a centralized system was to allow a united front to gain acknowledgment as legitimate religion. Now that Paganism in general is recognized as a faith by many countries and governments, the need for centralization has passed.
Your idea on having the week live-in workshops would be a great idea for the small communities, as it could provide a small amount of added community income as well as spread the knowledge...lol if that makes any sense...
My brother, a friend I deployed with and I are hoping to one day get some land and set up our mini community of Norse pagans with our own hall where we could invite family and friends over for celebrations. We would love to also host festivals on the property so nearby pagans could have someplace to meet and gather.
An outdoor class of many small groups engaging in Arts and Crafts. Can join a group or bring own group, but in a sense everyone is part of the larger collective activity of crafting an item. Maybe an opportunity to share personal significance of item somewhere in there with everyone.
I honestly agree with the handmade items I would love to see more of that and much more diversity and learning, practice, making and then shopping but less of it and it would just be so nice if different pagan communities can just all come together for the sabbats those would be the gatherings and workshops like you said would be entirely awesome but this would be quite amazing so much cultural learning ~☆☆☆☆☆
Hell Yeah girl. Handmade and community driven is golden. I love crafting myself and have been in and out the craft over 15yrs....im just not social at all or sell or sold a single item online. I'm needing to make a good traditional based feather smudging wand....if any have ideas
i just realized something. if you had a pagan university, the issue of student loans comes into play. the catch is there has to be a job market for the major in order to repay the loan. and there you would have the need for these graduates to charge for services. another thing i realized is the wall of secrecy. that would probably prevent a viable student population. but it would be awesome to have a pagan university where you could choose a wiccan major or even a nontraditional course of study.
I wish to have a physical place to do our studies. Where we can further our journeys in a sort of structured and well guided place. The only problem I see happening is, I believe it is a part of human nature that for some reason we as people put a hierarchy in place, and with a hierarchy there comes this false sense of misplaced power. Then, comes resentment and hostility by those who don't have this false power and influence. I think there needs to be a way to keep this all in check. Until that happens structurally, I mean fully integrated from establishment or conception the seeds of misfortune may be sewn.
I never would have thought of my town (Tri-Cities WA) as being contemporary for pagans, but we have a a community here that does teach workshops at events, with specific clubs for "Stitching witches", "Tarot" and a Pagan book club... not to mention the near by Temple of Aphrodite offered by the Living Love Revolution (Cascadia bio region). I am especially intrigued by your desire to create a place of worship... What would that look like? I am rather earth centered and gravitate towards stone and rock; I tend to seek the mountain tops when I need to connect with spirit. Tough I have dreamed of creating a cavernous 'Grotto' in my yard; A domed space with jagged angles and overflowing pool of water illuminated from within to give the cave a shimmering glow.
While I am from that “older” generation, I find my contemporaries are too hung up on gaining recognition from the faiths of the book. They try to “wear the vestments” of those faiths and too much of the vernacular comes out in their speech. I love my faith BECAUSE it has none of these. I was part of a public group that did open rituals for the Sabbats and I found it was INCREDIBLY difficult to do a nondenominational rite. It is always a struggle. I would have preferred to use the experience of each of our ritual team to create completely different rites each time instead of merely changing the deities within a cookie cutter script thinking that would be appealing to the mass.
I totally agree with you, especially when you were talking about the generic rituals. I have yet to go to pagan festivals (I'm only 18, and haven't had a chance but would love to!). I can imagine, these generic rituals being heavily Wiccan, can turn some people off from rituals and maybe even paganism as a whole. I love the idea of smaller local groups and also the idea of creating and building more physical bonds within the pagan community. The temple idea sounds absolutely lovely. All other religions have their own buildings, and I think it is completely logical for pagans to want their own as well. Personally, I have no pagan friends (even online), and the idea of being able to connect with fellow pagans and form real bonds sounds amazing. I hope that your ideal pagan community becomes reality in the near future! Because let's be honest, I think a lot of us feel the same way.
One thing I find is that while modern Pagans have a worthy pursuit, certain aspects of mainstream culture are too deeply embedded in our psyches. We've grown up in a highly dopamine-fueled, ironic, silly and detached world, and I see this come across in the way most people carry themselves. Whimsey is one thing, but there's too much frivolity for me. I want gravitas and depth. I want rapture, I want despair, I want to be shaken to my core. I want to know the gods in such away that they terrify me as much as they inspire me.
Thank you, Scarlet, for addressing the point I made recently about the abject commercialism of Pagan goods coming from China, often disguised as originating from Europe. To me they have no spiritual connection or 'animism'.
Great vision. I am honored to serve as a priest at a physical temple in Oklahoma of all places. My ideal Pagan Community would be one that truly honors the various paths instead of pushing folks into a type of generic Wiccan worldview and practice. Nothing against Wiccans at all, just not all of us are. :)
Wouldn't an IRL pagan community be like any other community except with paganism as a dominant influence? That's what the ancient pagan societies were like.
If I started my ownPagan temple it would be named the brothers and sisters of the trees Because that’s how I see our communityImagine the pagan community as a true we start at the trunk and then we spread out into different Francis we should all learn from One another it doesn’t matter if you’re workingWhite witch or practice VUDU
my husband loved go renaissance for every year before he met me we move up north in my state they do have need cool things I do love enjoy looking at different art project people up and making sale actually Wolverton teacher to have workshops it’s their fault no charge little bit more money do a hands-on art projects or any other activity
thank you remind me my state still having it I have to go to testing if go there still having it renaissance fair it’s roughly about anywhere from two hours down to 2 hours away for me
I'm torn, I love the idea of the bigger, camp festivals, but the other part of me just screams To peopley!! What ruined the some of the leadership structures that were set up by the previous generation was stagnation. Everyone in the community at the time could be looked at with this, but stagnation and power hoarding will kill what ever social structure you want to set up. I do love the idea of a bunch of pagans settling in and around a town, and holding events at the town center of some kind. The Wiccans could do Beltaine, The Traditional Witches could do Samhain, and the Norse pagans Yule, and it could be rotated for each sabbat, rotating through any other present denominations. There does need to be a shift back from "Things" back to knowledge and interaction. The rotating ritual ideas could work for a festival, except it's not sabbats being rotated through, but the big rituals of an event. Could you imagine the vibe you'd get from using Wardruna or Heilung in an opening ritual?
I would definitely like to see a more serious, structured pride community. I would like for paganism to be normalized within society where we don’t have to be shy or afraid to tell people about our spirituality. Just another path no different than Christianity or Buddhism.
They say desperation is the mother of invention, that being said it's hard let alone expensive to acquire an enchanted piece by an artisan craftsman that has no intent on making profit, that alone makes most independent beings forego acquisition or to motivate most to possibly create what they want to enchant otherwise it's a matter of where you spend black magik notes or energy, and even if an artisan enchanter doesn't get paid what he/she deserves, it doesn't mean they haven't achieved something regarding sorcery or passing on a kata...can't say I identify with paganism completely because of my initial conditioning in early life, but I think it's a personal journey of the soul to be a self on this dimension which is not a simple mundane path. As for paganism to work regardless of generational boundaries the shaman of yore archetype would be needed in any proto pagan group to identify psychopaths otherwise the group would always be doomed to failure once evil highjacks it.
dont be afraid of your opinion about the Made in China stuff. Indulging in the slave labor and environmental exploitation that comes with mass produced items is counterintuitive to paganism. I quit buying mass produced stuff years ago and I found that I actually have too much stuff. I only regularly use the stuff I made/found myself or the stuff that was handmade because it's all I need.
Like, you dont even need crystals. Dirt and regular stones that you find at the park are just as sacred. Free stuff you find, make, or forage yourself will always hold much more magic than stuff you buy.
There isn't a IRL Pagan Communities where I live it's all Evangelical Christianity My ideal IRL Pagan/Witch ( Items from Either Russia or Mexico) Community would be a Combination of Educational & Consumerism...
I vibe well with other pagans until someone brings up politics, I hate politics. My most recent attempt at joining a group was a few years ago, since then I've been happier as a solitary. Nothing against anyone.
I am of the Gen X folk, forgotten by the boomers and the zoomers... We were called latch key kids... I agree with you on many things... Except the inclusion of all ideas. Not all ideas are compatible. People descended from Europe, like yourself think all people thing in a rational way like we do. But there is a reason our people brought technology to the world. It's because most peoples of the world can't even understand the actual potential of the wheel... So they lived in abject poverty before we came to them, and live in it when they force us out... Not all traditions are capable of creating the modern world, so please stop trying to include them in it...
Yes. Let's not sell our spirituality. Keep it sacred, unique and special. Hand made with intention. True artistry.
As a person who is a vendor at statewide art and metaphysical festivals throughout Florida, I understand what it is you're saying. There are so many vendors selling premade items, and I'd rather see handmade items. I make 100% soy wax candles, wire wrapped jewelry and body aromatherapy products with my own two hands - it's a shame that we now rely on Amazon for producing our inventory as business owners.
Another problem with the likes of Amazon and eBay is that the companies selling on them take great pains to disguise the country of origin, which is usually China. I want to buy Pagan jewellery made in Pagan countries by Pagans.
@@dpstrial what is the religious tradition of China? Most of them aren't Christian, I know that. Hinduism, I believe, is a pagan religion, there are a bunch of Hindu gods I believe that are worshipped in Hindu temples. There is Shintoism, which I believe is also a pagan religion because they have many gods as well.
@@thomaskalbfus2005 The definition of Paganism I am using relates purely to the religious practices of pre-Christian Europe, especially Germanic, Nordic and Celtic - not Confucian or Buddhist, etc.
@@dpstrial well China let lose the Corona virus, they've been stealing our tech, and making aggressive moves toward their neighbors in Asia, so I'm not well disposed to them at the moment. The population of pagans in Europe, and North America is small, so in order to support themselves, the craftsmen and crafts women will have to charge higher prices. I like the Roman and Greek statuary by the way, the examples of Norse idols look a bit crude compared to the classical Greek and Roman statues, at least the ones I've seen. There is a painting of Aphodite/Venus in a cave, which I like very much.
@@thomaskalbfus2005 My main argument against buying Chinese goods is that they are usually very shoddily made, hence their low price. I agree with you that the CCP is an evil organisation, one never to be trusted.
Of course a genuine Pagan craftsman will not come cheap, but unless you deal with the artisan himself, it is very hard to know whether he is actually Chinese, masquerading as a native European.
Ancient Pagan art is very crude, when compared with most things, but to me it is the spiritual value of the objects or depictions that appeals to me - animism? The beauty and sophistication of the art that has emanated from Roman Catholicism cannot be surpassed in my opinion; however, it holds little spiritual value to me. It is pure aestheticism.
When pagans of different paths are together in a group setting, I feel that the best experience is just being able to speak one on one, face to face with other people in a fellowship environment. Sabbats of old were about community and gatherings and sharing food and fellowship. Those rites should be simple and more effort spent on enjoying each other’s company.
Amazingly said
I feel pretty much the same, I’m a Germanic pagan with no IRL community where I am. I love when I’m able to go to a festival and support artisans in their craeft, I value crafting traditions deeply, whether it be cultural or familial. I’m learning to quilt, which is a tradition my great great grandmother started and it ended with my mom and her sisters as they never learned, but I don’t want the practice to die. There’s a book I read earlier this year called Craeft: An Inquiry into the Origins and True Meaning of Traditional Crafts by Alexander Langlands, his writing is pretty dry at times and it’s almost entirely focused on Anglo-Saxon/English traditions but it did help me think about traditional crafts differently, from the ways a culture specifically values and uses sticks and stones to the building of houses.
It would be great if we had gatherings that were more specific to particular practices and pantheons, like a Germanic pagan gathering where you can go and watch people make tablet belts and listen to PhDs discuss topics on archeology and the sagas, maybe an Old Norse language workshop. Something like that would also be a great place for people of other traditions to come and learn about our ancestors and pre-Christian culture, it would really help others to differentiate polytheists from each other in the monotheistic mind. Most of my friends were surprised to find out about my beliefs cause they just thought all pagans were wild hippies or (insert pop culture Wiccan stereotype). I know we pagans enjoy our privacy and serenity but we also need to become more visible and invite people to come learn about us, if we’re ever going to be understood and taken just as seriously as Christians or Hindus.
Great comment! I definitely agree. :)
I also agree with your view. As a folktale collector I have experienced what a treasure some traditions can be. All in all it makes a good foundation of elements of the belief because I even found stories about some deities in it. That you mentioned archeology is also great and helpful. At this point I can recommend Arith Härger's channel. I personally create figures of spirits and deities of self-hardening clay.
I would love to see a focus on folkish practices return. I believe honoring the practices of our ancient ancestors are our responsibility to uphold and pass on. A focus on community groups that share ancestry would allow for deep connection to those gods and ancestors while working on spiritual practice and enrichment.
That being said, I think there is a certain place for "big tent" events, it's kind of a fun way to explore other perspectives and tap into your own spirituality on another level. I would envision smaller, folkish groups being more like a coven or grove setting where you work with your folk on a regular basis and share the same practices. The large events would be more sporadic and not as important to spiritual growth, but still fun. And honestly I do like shopping, so there is that. ;)
I love your idea of having focused rituals during the large events!
I'm Roman polytheist. In this community we have rather the opposite problem. There are too many small communities like Nova Roma, the Roman Republic, Communitas Populi Romani, Associazione Tradizionale Pietas etc. So I have tried to unite all these communities into one unified system of institutions, but it seems impossible. Every group insists on their own way and their own hierarchy and nobody is willing to compromise.
I have the impression that people like to see it as a role play, and everybody wants to be flamen or sacerdos. It's like an army with lots of generals and no common soldiers.
I wish people could take this a little bit more serious and not just as a game, where you try to collect titles and disguise in funny ways.
Exactly. The ability to have hierarchy and order within the community is what makes the difference between a homeless encampment and a grand city. We know what the Romans are capable of when they're organized. It's beautiful, and we need that
Hello. I notice that the planets of the Solar System were named after Roman gods and goddesses. There is something that could be done with the planet Venus, its atmosphere is made out of mostly carbon-dioxide, with nanotechnology, we can convert that to a carbon based semiconductor computer, leaving oxygen an nitrogen in the atmosphere, import some hydrogen from the outer solar system and make water, this will transfer the waste heat from the interior to the surface to keep the circuits cool. Then we can create an AI program, basically build the goddess.
Role play? As in Dungeons & Dragons? I am not sure how the ancient religion was organized, but like many religions at the time, it was a state religion, each civilization had it's own set of gods, back in the day it was the Roman Empire and before that the Republic, but that civilization is no more. When the Roman Empire died, the Catholic Church continued on as an international religion for Western Europe, but there was no Pope for the Roman Pantheon, the Empire had converted to Christianity at that time.
What does the Roman religion look like when there is no Empire? I figure it is open to interpretation, you try to figure out what the gods want, and if your wrong your wrong.
@Zu Both religions had their days in the Sun, plenty of Christian's were fed to the Lions, the Jews were expelled from Judea and Israel, and the Romans were famous for making the cross a christian symbol. The Emperor, I believe was in charge of the Roman religion, he had the Senate make him a "god" in prechristian times and in the late Roman Empire, he picked the Popes for the Roman Church. The State was the religious authority in the days of the Empire, and when the Empire split, so did the Church. When the Western Roman Empire fell, the Church remained and it got used to governing itself in the absence of a secular authority to govern it, the kingdoms of western Europe accepted the Church's authority in the religious sphere. and the Church in turn gave the secular authorities lots of leeway in running their kingdoms, as they did not want to lose their adherents within those kingdoms.
The pagan traditions fell out of favor before the Empire fell, some people continued to worship those gods in private, they did what the Christian's did prior to Christianity becoming the official religion of the Roman Empire, they met in secret. The Roman Empire is what organized the Catholic Church, they decided what to include in the Bible and what to leave out, before the Roman's adopted Christianity, there were many different Christian groups and little agreement among them.
@Zu what's your position on Emperor worship then? Why do you think the emperors gave up their official godhood in favor of the Christian religion and being head of the Church?
The problem with emperors claiming to be gods is that emperors die, and the next emperor has to explain why the previous immortal god has died. Christianity is a more absolutist religion, you can't have the Iliad and they Odyssey with the one true God. Much of the tension in the story comes from conflict between the gods.
What is your ideal IRL Pagan community? How would it be structured and what events would be included? Share your ideas in the comments. I'm looking forward to reading all your thoughts & ideas. :)
Blessed Be, Magi Verdi here! I definitely agree with you in a lot of the points here: that there should be more focus in teaching and learning in the community. While there's a ton of information available online, we need more workshops and lessons that cover not just the basics, but even in-depth topics. On the side of selling stuff, yes, I'd definitely want to see more handmade products and not so much on low-grade overly commercialized items (which, unfortunately, may have been produced in unethical means).
As a solitary pagan witch, I would relish an opportunity to gather with other pagans to learn and commune in a festive space. I think more festivals with open rituals and workshops would be so much fun, and I really hope I can go to my first one soon! I am in the camp of the new generations view that we don’t need a governing body. We have our roots in an old religious path, but ultimately, us contemporary pagans are something very new and we don’t need to be bogged down with the bureaucracy of traditional religion. Let’s just all accept that no one is going to believe exactly what we believe, and that is totally okay and welcomed!
I was around for some of the Pagan Community building that went on in the 80's such as the Covenant of Unitarian Universalist Pagans (CUUPS) which managed to get "Spiritual teachings of Earth-centered traditions which celebrate the sacred circle of life and instruct us to live in harmony with the rhythms of nature." added as one of the "sources" of the UU faith. It was new and bold but also limiting. It soon became clear to me that a "big tent" spirituality and an initiatory tradition were at odds with each other. Everyone was so busy trying not to offend that a lot was lost. I do really like the idea of hand made objects and an educational focus. Many years ago I took some blacksmithing and knife making workshops and have applied this knowledge into my own spiritual path. Many "Makers" lean Pagan and I think that is an untapped resource.
Strong communities are built on a strong coherence of values, practices, and intragroup chemistry among the members. The shift from "Big Tent" Paganism to decentralized smaller groups/tribes is basically a return to how Paganism functioned prior to the modern era. I think a lot of this will be driven by natural friendships. You will circle best and work magic most effectively with the people you actually resonate with, like, and respect.
Hi, I'm from Argentina. I agree with what you've said that focussing on teaching and learning spaces would be better and granting that knowledge more accesibly. Creating a space where people who are not pagan can also ask and learn so they don't judge pagans out of missbeliefs and wrong notions of paganism or wichcraft. I'd love to see the day that it can be shared more openly.💋
My idea of a pagan community would be A GREAT HEATHEN ARMY SHEILD WALL!!!
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I totally agree with getting the focus off materialism and focus on the spirituality of paganism and gaining knowledge about mythology, ritual, community bonding and celebrations.
We're very lucky here in South Africa. We have a safe space where all are welcome. There are different kind of meditations, amazing workshops (wands, dreamcatchers and more), singing circles, etc. Amazing community where each person with their own personal practice shares and educates others. The space is called the Wild Community Centre, and the amazing people from Akasha Healing, Crystalign, Kitchen Witch Crafts, and more.
I just wanted to say I’ve been following you for over a year, not sure how long but I enjoy your content. Thank you 💜
I'm new to paganism. More into the Norse tradition but just love learning more. Thanks so much for taking time to teach?
Scarlet I'm with you and I want to attend IRL and I did attend a Holistic one near me last year around this time, but again I am the type of person that has to feel the item out before buying it which is the reason why I don't really shop online with my crystals and stuff except for books. I want to take a class on Herbs because I love how our ancestors used them, but mainly on the Scandinavian's side of things because you really don't hear much or people don't talk about them they put it all together with Herbalism. Plus I think it would be good for the beginners or those who are new interactions with people who have been where they are at and talk in person ask questions and learn. They will find kinships those they meet which is the best thing about our community.
To answer your question Scarlet, my IRL Pagan community would look very similar to a standard Ren Fair!. People just reveling, eating and enjoying themselves. Michigan has a lovely festival every year, in a beautiful park set aside just for the event. I will miss it this year. Thanks for all you do.
I agree with you 100%. I've had issues with wanting to buy all these artifacts. It definitely takes away from my spirituality when I fall into this materialistic mindset.
I have been so bummed about the Renaissance Faire, too. So now I’m literally make the trek out to the faire in Holly, Michigan.
On one hand I agree I would love less consumerism in paganism on the other, it does have its positives. Like for people starting out who don’t have much physical materials to work with or are just testing the waters.
I love the ideas you present. I love the idea of an event with multiple levels of learning and multiple perspectives like pagan, Wicca, traditional and all that. I wish there were events like this all over the place to participate in... I also wish there could be a school whether it be like a college, or even one geared towards younger kids to teach them all about making a besom or a wand or how to draw down the moon... that’s my perfect IRL
Buying an abandoned farm in the North Woods and make it an Odinist enclave ;)
I totally agree with you on all the items, I love shopping for handmade witchcraft items but I can instantly spot the things that are cheap bulk selling items because everyone has the same thing.
Where I live, we have a reenactment where you can visit little shops such as the blacksmith, the broom-makers (I buy mine custom from them every year and physically help make it), the soap makers, the candle makers, weavers, you name it. It didn't start out this way but I think the pagans in my area kinda low-key integrated it lol. It's wonderful, though. My son found his passion for working metal from the blacksmith and my daughters learned about making soap last year. We have our regular vendors (plus our jugglers, can't forget them because they're awesome!) and the entire community comes together to learn these things every year. Pretty impressive for a predominantly Christian community :)
That's awesome! :)
Everything in the modern world is reduced to money, every human interaction distilled into commerce, every space translated as a market, every interest people have is converted into hustle, and every idea or object counted as a monetary value.
We need to learn that true value comes from connecting with others, building community, expanding our wisdom, developing skills. True fulfilment comes from being of service to something greater than oneself, and most of all, connection with the divine.
I love the points you're making. I always love artisans and being able to purchase from them. Growing up in France, exploring lots of artisans small shops and workshops was always a treat. I'd love if there was more of an educational approach in the Pagan community as well!
I agree with all of that. It is so hard to find community. Having places to gather and do rituals, meet like minded people etc would be awesome. Why we don't have these in every city i dont know, but its time to build them. And on the workshop idea, yes , totally. How great it would be to pay 30 dollars and sit with an adept at besom craft or wand making for a few hours and leave with a besom you made and a beginning knowledge of what woods were used and why. Im in. So how do we make this happen because it involves people coming together with a common goal. Thats the challenge is organizing the people who are interested in seeing temples built in their area. Great topic
As a GenXer involved for a few years in the Chicago community in the 90s, I actually agree with most of what you're saying. I was initiated into what was essentially a Wiccan tradition while not knowing what that really was and how it compared with other traditions. As a solitaire right now, I feel like I'm trying to unlearn some aspects of Wicca right now. I think there does need to be an opportunity to learn about other traditions from practitioners.
There was some impressive networking going on in the mid 90s, and I was blessed with the opportunity to sit in on rituals that were from a number of different groups, though I found little difference between them. The Internet pagan communities were small and existed mostly on listserves.
I think education would be helpful in many aspects. I am a firm believer in decentralization. The intimacy and power that come from working with people with a similar mindset and a simiilar goal is amazing, but the risk is that some unhealthy group dynamics can develop in some groups--even to the point of developing into a something resembling a cult. In addition to learning about other traditions and practices, learning about healthy group dynamics and communication within groups would be very helpful for people as a whole.
yeah, I tried once tried going to this one group of pagan people's gatherings or whatever. There was almost no freedom of speech, everybody in the group seemed to think the high priests or whatever were all knowing. It was like communism and a dictator, so I noped out of there asap. I am not looking to join other groups for a while because I dont like the high priests to have so much power so I am a more solitary pagan.
That's one of the big reasons why a lot of Pagans are solitaire. I'm solitaire, too, though I have many reasons besides unhealthy group dynamics to choose a solitaire path.
@Mike Knight In the city.
Alone. I have always liked being by myself when I can--and now I can! It's soothing, fun, educational, and playful. I'm worshipping no gods atm and don't feel pulled to anything except for the moon and plants.
When I was watching this video I was imagining a community like that of the movie wicker man but without human sacrifice.
The 70s version or the Nicolas Cage version? The town in the original British version was ideal (except for shoving the guy *into* the wicker man.
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Sorry I had to laugh! 🤣 But I agree!
I really love the school idea for the community. I think that could really help those who are trying to find their way or learn new things, and maybe help those who are closed minded to start opening up.
These are such amazing ideas! Community has been on my mind as well
I love the idea of a campus sort of thing! I feel like learning from people IRL has so many benefits and I personally work better in a class room rather then online. So if you do this please keep us updated!! Thank you for the video. ❤️❤️
My IRL Pagan community would be a place where you can understand each other.
Pagan translates to Ethnic, where I believe people should be very aware about their indigenous folkways.
Education is a very good thing, because people need to know where they come from.
I do believe the catholic people in the community should perhaps not be included too much.
I been to a fair, and I wanted some advice on astral travel and I felt it was a little scary, and someone literally told me I should embrace some kinda archangel called michael. :/
If people would stop bringing their abrahamic desert things into the fairs of Ethnic togetherness, that would be cool :)
I’m new to this, though I have been researching and dabbling into tarot and runes ever since I was a teen… But I would like to have trading of stories and folk tales, of history and other applications of the art.
The vending halls would be more along the lines of a meeting of cultures and creations. Physical art, handmade creations, grown and handmade foods and drinks that support what one would consider a small business… I personally would like to have a moment to have a meal and trade words and thoughts and ideas.
Maybe some would be philosophical, or of the paths we take, or the experiences we have had along our paths, but that is what I would want to bear witness.
My ideal pagan community would be not just a place for hippies in their 20s but an event where you could take your kids, your whole family, because that is what christians have that we usually dont, a place to gather with family, friends and community
Problem with that is that pagans in general are pretty open with the sex and nudity and a lot of parents haven't shed the prudeness of their Christian years and don't want their kids exposed to that.
Less commercialism? Rituals which each belong to a distinct tradition? Couldn't agree more, although, as a European, commercialism is a bigger problem than generic rituals, here. At least in my neck of the woods, Heathens, Wiccans, Druids and old-school Occultists do not mix with each other the way they seem to do in the U.S., and we have vast geographical distances.
Personally, I don't think _one_ IRL Pagan community would be able to fill all the spiritual needs in the life of any modern Pagan, just as there were distinct levels of religion among ancient Pagans:
1. Civic level;
2. household/family level;
3. individual devotional level;
4. (among comparatively few persons) individual mystery level and
5. (among even fewer persons) individual magical, self-improvement level.
Different modern groups are able to practice one or two of these levels well, but it is unheard of, that any group is able to combine all five. It's a matter of quite different areas of competence, and I would say that it would be outright counterproductive for everyone involved to try to combine level 2. and level 5. at the same time, for instance.
Thank you for your channel! I have no idea why TH-cam recommended you, but the videos of yours I have watched yet have been very nice, indeed. Some impressions of Paganism on the other side of The Pond will widen my horizon.
I love your ideas!! 💜💚
I agree. This world is fascinating enough. We do not need to put glam and glitter on this natural beauty to make it better. Simplicity is enough.
I think in the earlier days, a centralized system was to allow a united front to gain acknowledgment as legitimate religion. Now that Paganism in general is recognized as a faith by many countries and governments, the need for centralization has passed.
Your idea on having the week live-in workshops would be a great idea for the small communities, as it could provide a small amount of added community income as well as spread the knowledge...lol if that makes any sense...
My brother, a friend I deployed with and I are hoping to one day get some land and set up our mini community of Norse pagans with our own hall where we could invite family and friends over for celebrations. We would love to also host festivals on the property so nearby pagans could have someplace to meet and gather.
An outdoor class of many small groups engaging in Arts and Crafts. Can join a group or bring own group, but in a sense everyone is part of the larger collective activity of crafting an item. Maybe an opportunity to share personal significance of item somewhere in there with everyone.
I honestly agree with the handmade items I would love to see more of that and much more diversity and learning, practice, making and then shopping but less of it and it would just be so nice if different pagan communities can just all come together for the sabbats those would be the gatherings and workshops like you said would be entirely awesome but this would be quite amazing so much cultural learning ~☆☆☆☆☆
YESSS! THIS! ALL OF IT!
I love your ideas on school to learn how to do those skills. You can get only so much from books.
ALL GREAT POINTS!!
Hell Yeah girl. Handmade and community driven is golden. I love crafting myself and have been in and out the craft over 15yrs....im just not social at all or sell or sold a single item online. I'm needing to make a good traditional based feather smudging wand....if any have ideas
Great video! Just found your channel, it is very nice, much interesting information. Thank you about that :)
i just realized something. if you had a pagan university, the issue of student loans comes into play. the catch is there has to be a job market for the major in order to repay the loan. and there you would have the need for these graduates to charge for services. another thing i realized is the wall of secrecy. that would probably prevent a viable student population. but it would be awesome to have a pagan university where you could choose a wiccan major or even a nontraditional course of study.
Blacksmithing is pretty cool 😊 I was a smithy in my 3rd life.
Thank you for this information.
I wish to have a physical place to do our studies. Where we can further our journeys in a sort of structured and well guided place. The only problem I see happening is, I believe it is a part of human nature that for some reason we as people put a hierarchy in place, and with a hierarchy there comes this false sense of misplaced power. Then, comes resentment and hostility by those who don't have this false power and influence. I think there needs to be a way to keep this all in check. Until that happens structurally, I mean fully integrated from establishment or conception the seeds of misfortune may be sewn.
I never would have thought of my town (Tri-Cities WA) as being contemporary for pagans, but we have a a community here that does teach workshops at events, with specific clubs for "Stitching witches", "Tarot" and a Pagan book club... not to mention the near by Temple of Aphrodite offered by the Living Love Revolution (Cascadia bio region).
I am especially intrigued by your desire to create a place of worship... What would that look like?
I am rather earth centered and gravitate towards stone and rock; I tend to seek the mountain tops when I need to connect with spirit. Tough I have dreamed of creating a cavernous 'Grotto' in my yard; A domed space with jagged angles and overflowing pool of water illuminated from within to give the cave a shimmering glow.
While I am from that “older” generation, I find my contemporaries are too hung up on gaining recognition from the faiths of the book. They try to “wear the vestments” of those faiths and too much of the vernacular comes out in their speech. I love my faith BECAUSE it has none of these. I was part of a public group that did open rituals for the Sabbats and I found it was INCREDIBLY difficult to do a nondenominational rite. It is always a struggle. I would have preferred to use the experience of each of our ritual team to create completely different rites each time instead of merely changing the deities within a cookie cutter script thinking that would be appealing to the mass.
I totally agree with you, especially when you were talking about the generic rituals. I have yet to go to pagan festivals (I'm only 18, and haven't had a chance but would love to!). I can imagine, these generic rituals being heavily Wiccan, can turn some people off from rituals and maybe even paganism as a whole. I love the idea of smaller local groups and also the idea of creating and building more physical bonds within the pagan community.
The temple idea sounds absolutely lovely. All other religions have their own buildings, and I think it is completely logical for pagans to want their own as well. Personally, I have no pagan friends (even online), and the idea of being able to connect with fellow pagans and form real bonds sounds amazing.
I hope that your ideal pagan community becomes reality in the near future! Because let's be honest, I think a lot of us feel the same way.
One thing I find is that while modern Pagans have a worthy pursuit, certain aspects of mainstream culture are too deeply embedded in our psyches. We've grown up in a highly dopamine-fueled, ironic, silly and detached world, and I see this come across in the way most people carry themselves. Whimsey is one thing, but there's too much frivolity for me.
I want gravitas and depth. I want rapture, I want despair, I want to be shaken to my core. I want to know the gods in such away that they terrify me as much as they inspire me.
Another Fantastic video!
Thanks! :)
I would love to have a gathering like that near me. It is hard to find any groups around my area. Selling and classes would be great.
Thank you, Scarlet, for addressing the point I made recently about the abject commercialism of Pagan goods coming from China, often disguised as originating from Europe. To me they have no spiritual connection or 'animism'.
I would love help to uy some land one day and build a small hellenic style temple to demeter or dedicate it to several deities.
Great ideas! I think a lot of people are drawn to paganism because it is less structured.
I agree about making whiskey items by hand
Great vision. I am honored to serve as a priest at a physical temple in Oklahoma of all places. My ideal Pagan Community would be one that truly honors the various paths instead of pushing folks into a type of generic Wiccan worldview and practice. Nothing against Wiccans at all, just not all of us are. :)
I'm on it... it'll take a few years butt I'm on it.
Wouldn't an IRL pagan community be like any other community except with paganism as a dominant influence? That's what the ancient pagan societies were like.
My word you're gorgeous! Not being disrespectful. 🤘🏻
If I started my ownPagan temple it would be named the brothers and sisters of the trees Because that’s how I see our communityImagine the pagan community as a true we start at the trunk and then we spread out into different Francis we should all learn from One another it doesn’t matter if you’re workingWhite witch or practice VUDU
I would love to create a group dedicated to pantheism,Animism,or nature worship
my husband loved go renaissance for every year before he met me we move up north in my state they do have need cool things I do love enjoy looking at different art project people up and making sale actually Wolverton teacher to have workshops it’s their fault no charge little bit more money do a hands-on art projects or any other activity
This is cool & interesting...
Love - light peace blessings...
thank you remind me my state still having it I have to go to testing if go there still having it renaissance fair it’s roughly about anywhere from two hours down to 2 hours away for me
I'm torn, I love the idea of the bigger, camp festivals, but the other part of me just screams To peopley!! What ruined the some of the leadership structures that were set up by the previous generation was stagnation. Everyone in the community at the time could be looked at with this, but stagnation and power hoarding will kill what ever social structure you want to set up. I do love the idea of a bunch of pagans settling in and around a town, and holding events at the town center of some kind. The Wiccans could do Beltaine, The Traditional Witches could do Samhain, and the Norse pagans Yule, and it could be rotated for each sabbat, rotating through any other present denominations. There does need to be a shift back from "Things" back to knowledge and interaction. The rotating ritual ideas could work for a festival, except it's not sabbats being rotated through, but the big rituals of an event. Could you imagine the vibe you'd get from using Wardruna or Heilung in an opening ritual?
Where do you find pagan groups, and/or workshops?
I would definitely like to see a more serious, structured pride community. I would like for paganism to be normalized within society where we don’t have to be shy or afraid to tell people about our spirituality. Just another path no different than Christianity or Buddhism.
They say desperation is the mother of invention, that being said it's hard let alone expensive to acquire an enchanted piece by an artisan craftsman that has no intent on making profit, that alone makes most independent beings forego acquisition or to motivate most to possibly create what they want to enchant otherwise it's a matter of where you spend black magik notes or energy, and even if an artisan enchanter doesn't get paid what he/she deserves, it doesn't mean they haven't achieved something regarding sorcery or passing on a kata...can't say I identify with paganism completely because of my initial conditioning in early life, but I think it's a personal journey of the soul to be a self on this dimension which is not a simple mundane path. As for paganism to work regardless of generational boundaries the shaman of yore archetype would be needed in any proto pagan group to identify psychopaths otherwise the group would always be doomed to failure once evil highjacks it.
Thanks a lot
Glad you liked the video. :)
dont be afraid of your opinion about the Made in China stuff. Indulging in the slave labor and environmental exploitation that comes with mass produced items is counterintuitive to paganism. I quit buying mass produced stuff years ago and I found that I actually have too much stuff. I only regularly use the stuff I made/found myself or the stuff that was handmade because it's all I need.
Like, you dont even need crystals. Dirt and regular stones that you find at the park are just as sacred. Free stuff you find, make, or forage yourself will always hold much more magic than stuff you buy.
a Norse Village in a forest with nothing Goats and Women .
I want to join paganism, but how?
There isn't a IRL Pagan Communities where I live
it's all Evangelical Christianity
My ideal IRL Pagan/Witch ( Items from Either Russia or Mexico) Community would be a Combination of Educational & Consumerism...
Asatru "Folkish"
Are you involved with a kindred?
@@fruitandveggies24 yes, and we are like a Family like a tribe, 😍😍😍
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I vibe well with other pagans until someone brings up politics, I hate politics. My most recent attempt at joining a group was a few years ago, since then I've been happier as a solitary. Nothing against anyone.
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I am of the Gen X folk, forgotten by the boomers and the zoomers... We were called latch key kids... I agree with you on many things... Except the inclusion of all ideas. Not all ideas are compatible.
People descended from Europe, like yourself think all people thing in a rational way like we do. But there is a reason our people brought technology to the world. It's because most peoples of the world can't even understand the actual potential of the wheel... So they lived in abject poverty before we came to them, and live in it when they force us out...
Not all traditions are capable of creating the modern world, so please stop trying to include them in it...