Fun fact. If i'm not wrong Cryolator is not an Vault-Tec experiment. It was made by overseer and staff from spare parts because they have bern bored to the death in vault. That's why it is so chunky
The Radium Rifle is a Volksturmgewehr. A semi automatic only rifle that is really hard to disassemble since it was made to have as little moving parts as possible. Its plausible that the Children of Atom reverse engineered it because you can probably make it in your garage given how simple it is.
Question is why did Bethesda use it in the first place. Not many were built so add one in the US would only make sense of it was a unique, something like the M2 Carbine would work better as it’s was made in much larger numbers and there plenty of them from the Pacific Islands going east to Europe
^ look at what’s needed to build either one. The radium rifle or volksturmgewehr was made from simple stamped components which is why there were produced so quickly during the end of the war. The volk sounds more simple to build than the M2. Doesn’t have to be brought to the world to exist in game. People built them.
@Mr3000 my idea for how they got them was that they found a bunch of reproduction weapons. That would explain the rechamber into a more common caliber that wouldn’t require a completely new design. Even now some companies are making reproduction guns.
@@Mr8001_I highly doubt the children of atom built them, and the reproductions would never outweigh the millions of M1 Carbines in the US, which as far as we know was still being used by the National Guard alongside the Battle Rifle (M1 Garand) from FNV, as much as we try to justify it, the radium rifle should have had a different model that fit better with the lore, thank goodness weapon replacer mods exist so we can personally fix developer snafus
Yeah, the FO3 assault rifle(HK33, basically a 5.56 G3) was super cool and I almost always either mod that in or the NV service rifle. Very odd they didn't include those in 4.
@@rangerbonesBoone there is right is is based off the CETME not the HK91. If you look up the CETME you’ll see it has the earlier curved steel mags as opposed to straight aluminum waffle mags like the HK91/G3 Additionally the CETME was a gun made for Mexico which always made sense as to why the US would adopt it with the annexation of Mexico. A point I’m always surprised few bring up. The HK91/G3 is based off the earlier CETME though. But considering the fallout lore regarding Mexico and the shape of the mags it’s much closer to the real world CETME
i hate the realistic guns people cram in with mods. the game is already stylized for what it is, putting a MAC-10 in it is dumb and i'd rather use a weapon rework to fix the balance of some guns
I work around firearms all day, I remember the first time I picked up the assault rifle I just had to go in the model viewer and my brain basically shut off for a moment at the sheer stupidity of this atrocity.
@@defaultweeb3389 i could write a book about the guns of the fallout series with how much there is to say about them, both good and bad due to the lore implications, if you have any specific questions i'd be more than happy to answer them.
@@petitponeydu7727 What do you think about 10mm pistol? To me it seems unnecessarily bulky and heavy, and for some reason FO1-FO2 model has a chamber instead of a magazine, and a handguard, while also being unnecessarily long. It makes no sense for a pistol which is meant to be a sidearm to be THIS bulky. FO1-FO2 i can somewhat justify by pretending its supposed to be a survival carbine, with atttachible stock, where revolver chamber and bulkiness is there to ensure reliability, but FO3-FNV 10mm pistol just seems like a slab of steel that would weight more than a rifle, and would be extremely unwieldy to carry under any circumstances.
I really do love the laser musket in concept, in being a makeshift weapon in an apocalyptic setting, while also fitting the nature of the minutemen, both in the historical sense as an analog to the musket and in being a scrappy sort of militia putting together what they have to meet their needs. Just unfortunate that not much more was done with the minutemen, just the couple quests and then "Another settlement needs your help!"...
Yea the laser musket was a nice mix of futuristic and apocalyptic with an old west vibe, I wish there was a way to upgrade it more to make it viable the whole game
the reason the radium rifle needs to go into has issues is because its a fullauto rifle based on a rifle thats semi auto only. the Volkssturmgewehr is often mistranslated as 'peoples assault rifle' when in actuality its the 'rifle of the peoples assault'. the volkssturm was a paramilitary organisation supposed to hold the last stand against the allies, often underage boys and old men.
What i love about the handmade rifle is that its based on an actual thing. The whole shovel stock was a nod to a reddit story that blew up a while ago when a guy made a full gun using and old shovel and he used the handle as the stock
There’s this theory going around that the cut chinese assault rifle was going to be the base game assault rifle but since it was cut and it’d be weird to have an fps without an assault rifle, they just renamed the machine gun to assault rifle
So, lorewise, apparently the combat weapons (rifle/shotgun) look so similar, crude and rudimentary because they were designed to be low cost, easy to manufacture weapons with interchangeable parts due to the ongoing resource wars and lack of materials like polymer etc. A similar design concept to that of the WW2 grease gun. Still doesn’t explain why everything is left handed😅
If you look at the Quad-Barreled middle launcher, there is nothing to strike the tail of the other 3 middles, they just fly out when you pull the trigger.
Fun Fact: The reason, or one of the reasons, there are so many left handed guns is 'cause the artist who did the guns for the original Counter Strike was left handed and modeled the weapons as such. Since then any weapons that used those CS weapons as reference also turned out left handed. Sometimes people even did it on purpose as a nod to the artist. Seeing as the two weapons that do this FO4 are the AK and the Hunting Rifle, which just a generic bolt action, leads me to believe that they used CS models as reference material. Edit: I wrote this comment about halfway through the video before you mentioned the lever action and the "assault rifle", but I imagine they fall into the same category.
That maybe but I'd say it was more likely due to the pipe bolt action having to be able to be used as a pistol and they were too cheap to do a separate set of animations for the hunting rifle.
@@silverjohn6037 That would make sense by knowing they use same grenade throw animation with almost every weapon what makes that 10mm pistol that they made to use animation works fine on 3rd person but almost every other weapon explode on parts when throwing grenade on 3rd person.
I love the boxy laser weapons and injection plasma weapons, they look great! Especially in the setting. They look believable with some nice stocks and scopes. The ballistics however...
The plasma weapons between 3 and 4 tell a little bit of a story if you take them out of their given context. The 3 looks almost like a proof of concept, like they're proving they can weaponize plasma, with the 4 being basically the first prototype that's not how they try to sell it though, which is what drives me insane.
Wait, isn’t the combat rifle already basically a BAR? It functions differently, but you can also modify it to be/find it as an automatic variant. Also, I agree the assault rifle would’ve been cooler if it was just a Lewis gun. Lewis guns are so neat looking.
@@ChompDemAll No one at Bethesda did their homework for ballistic guns of Fallout 4. All around, I only see lazy stuff. Eg. The Handmade Rifle bolt on the wrong side. The horrible Left Handed Hunting Rifle. They got lazy with the modeling.
@@foofoo3344 yeah, it's true that pretty much all the ballistic weapon in FO4 suffer from stupid models, but the stupid ammo rules are the worst in my opinion. When a .308 does less damage than .45 - you know something is wrong. And it makes absolutely zero sense - like, for example, I can understand "that gun" in FNV doing more damage with the 5.56 from a short barrel than a marksman carbine from a balance perspective, buy why the hell isn't combat rifle take some full-size rifle round by default? Ok, you want it take a different ammo than hunting rifle-add a goddamn 7.62x51 or something.
I miss the old combat shotgun firing sound , the old one sounded like it was powerful and about to break it was perfectly fitting, but the new one sounds like an old man coughing.
Pretty good list. I only wish that this game had more unique looking weapons like we had in previous fallout games, and no legendary effects. Ps. My favorite looking weapon in this game is Deliverer.
I agree completely that the dearth of unique weapons is a big disappointment with Fallout 4. I will say though, the legendary system is fun. If you get a good drop like an explosive combat shotgun or a never-ending double barrel it can be absolutely game changing. I find the random legendary drops can add *a lot* of character to a playthrough, especially if obtained relatively early. I think a good solution would’ve been if Bethesda made all the named legendaries you get from quests, vendors, and obscure locations have unique appearances, that would’ve allowed them to keep the legendary system and would’ve given us a plethora of truly unique gear to deck out our characters with.
@@dickweinerman4118Yeah but basically some legendaries are completely broken op like explosive or tge double damage on first one, while other are crap. Its a bad system.
@@Arkaskas1 It’s weird, there’s legendary perks that are just trash, like never good or so situational they’re basically useless. The rest of the legendary perks have usefulness almost entirely dependent on what weapon they drop on, explosive is great… on a weapon with high dps, it won’t do you much good on a Gauss rifle, but instigating (a mediocre perk on most stuff) is incredible on a Gauss rifle. Bad is subjective, I think the system brings some extra unpredictability, nuance, and fun to the game and I think Fallout 4 would be less with it’s absence.
@@dickweinerman4118 It's mostly bad objectively since you can find the best weapons on vendors like Spray and Pray which is the most overpowered thing and you can get it instantly. Then Improve Explosives + SMG damage + Bloody mess and everything stacks multiplicatevely for some reason for around x4 damage that instantly cripples and does splash damage. This is crap design, I could argue untested too. Also the infinite levelling is uter crap and creates bullet sponges enemies. Fallout 4 whole levelling and world is some of the worst game designs I've played in terms of balancing.
I think the Institute lasers are so overly bulky because they weren't really designed with human wielders in mind, they were intended to be used almost exclusively by synths The Gauss Rifle looks like an early production model, with it's exposed parts The Cryolator was a pet project of Vault 111's overseer, it's one of a kind (until Fallout 76, anyway)
@@isaacorr3180 they probably started out as such, until they needed more resources from the surface, then they probably moved over to full on weapon production to arm their demonic toasters
The AR-15 platform definitely exists as seen in New Vegas with the Assault Carbine and the Marksman Rifle. Either one should have taken the place of the Combat Rifle but Bethesda can't write Fallout to save their lives so it's not surprising that it hasn't happened.
"I would rather take _______ from Fallout: New Vegas" Right there, every single thought and feeling I have about Fallout 4 summed up. Fallout 4 isn't a bad game, it's just a bad Fallout. And the fact that it had to follow New Vegas (and keeps getting contrasted, often negatively, to it) is just a testament to that.
Probably more to do with the fact the pipe bolt action had to be set up so it could be used as a pistol and they were too cheap to do a separate set of animations for the hunting rifle.
Honestly I'm surprised he didn't mention the round of the Lever Action Rifle. It's chambered in 45-70, which historically was used to hunt buffalo. Its surprising it doesn't do a load of damage
the service rifle from NV is pretty much what you're talking about for a replacement of that combat rifle. also fallout guns can range up to 1990's, so the m14 is very fitting in the universe as well.
There's a video on TH-cam where a gun expert examined the gun throughout the franchise to determine the range of years that are lore-accurate, one of the things he mentioned was seeing gun attachments going up to at least the early _2000's_ in origin.
@@vegeta002 honestly there’s only 2 major divergences from the real world, transistors not becoming popular which causes the blocky look of computers, in 1969 the US divides its territories into 13 commonwealths, basically bunch of states combined together the Fallout universe does have a bigger emphasis on space exploration than our world and there’s the 50s retrofuturism, but other than the things I mentioned, our world and the Fallout world should largely be the same
I like the ugliness of the big chunky Assault Rifle, it suits Power Armor. I think that was their idea when modeling the rifle. "its a rifle meant for Power Armor squads".
@@colonel1003 the show is trash they character assassinated Mr. House. Whoever the scriptwriter is has sub 99 IQ jesus christ. "The end of the economy is good for the economy" - Robert House. lmfao. Guess characters are only as smart as their writers.
tbh had it been named something like "Vintage" or "Salvaged" LMG/SAW, i would say that abomination would feel ok if just on the fucked up FO4 weapon aesthetics. If they wanted it to have such stupid and goofy look, they should have merged a Bren LMG with a Vickers Water cooled barrel, would make some messsed sense if that was said to be surplus of the Military that had been using them only for ceremonial or Public Parade events before the MAD went FUBAR.
Rename it something that actually describes it and give us an actual assault rifle to call an assault rifle. The closest runner up we have is the Combat Rifle, which fires *PISTOL ROUNDS*. At least until we get into DLC and get the Handmade Assault Rifle.
Honestly the pipe bolt action would probably blow up, causing a bit of damage, but it woud probably cause ALOT of damage to the enemy, making getting these basicly grenades
The spikey muzzle for the Double barrel actually makes a bit of sense. Idk if you'd put them on a double barrel, but those are actual breaching muzzles. You push the spiky bit into a door frame and blow out the lock or hinges
I think the problem with the hunting rifle is because whoever made the weapon on the development team just didn’t know how bow bolt action firearms are used. The energy weapons look amazing and work well I just hate how much of the screen they take up in the games.
Radium Rifle is based on the Volksturmgewehr (and I actually never noticed it was based on that until now, good eye!) German last ditch weapon thrown out towards the end of WW2 and put in the hands of the Volksturm (Basically a militia of whoever they could scrape up to fight at the end of the war)
@@user-kp3eq1uj8e Indeed you can. Muzzleloaders are free at 18+ and with a licence you can have breechloaders, repeaters and semi-automatics. Unfortunatly the magazine capacy for semi-auto rifles was caped to 10 rounds because of "terrorists" And no full auto guns or other stuff considered a "weapon of war" like flamethrowers or granade launchers etc.
@@Aaahrg Sounds like California, but their laws keep get struck down by the Supreme Court. In my state you can own full auto if you go through the licensing to get an FFL. Flamethrowers and muzzleloaders can be owned at any age. You can't buy handguns from a dealer in the US until you reach 21 years old. You can be gifted one by a friend at 18 though.
You didnt mention it, but the sound of the 44 revolver in FO4 is AWESOME! I think all the pipe weapons fit the "fit the world" since the reason they are weird and awkward is because they are (as you can easily tell) handcrafted scrapy low quality guns with a tone of room for modification. This is archived perfectly in concept and in practice, but they are terrible within the game progresion since durability isnt a thing and you outscale them at min 2 when you get the handcannon that is the 10mm, in the vault (you can play the entire game up to any level with just the 10mm and be fine, one shotting most enemies), with ammo being the only problem but not really if you dont make it a submachinegun. I think the problem with the animations was that they wanted to have all guns be on the same side, the bottom right corner. I dont know about how being X handed looks with 2 handed rifles (apparently you carry them on the opposite shoulder is what im taking from the video?), but they must have had someone load the guns for the animation and model them, and decided that they wanted to change the shoulder instead of fliping them? (the character is supposed to be an experienced military guy btw, which adds insult to injury)
The pipe bolt action was probably intended to be a single shot but got changed somewhere in the development, probably pretty late on judging by way it uses a revolver style full moon clip for it's reload animation. That said the pipe bolt action is a monster in VATS. If you've never tried it with a pistol build it can get nearly as many shots off in a round of VATS as the Deliverer but does more damage per shot so, depending on the upgrades (stay clear of telescopic sights or long heavy barrels), it can do more damage in a round of VATS than the Deliverer.
why do people throw a hissy fit over it not being called specifically a LMG? do the game really has to spit it out to you? have you never seen the true eyes of a basilisk in dark souls? it's really not a big deal, if you can use your eyes to realize the truth. idk its very silly when its obviously a lmg but it isnt that big of a deal because i use power armor and the gun does look good you guys just cant appreciate cool stuff like in gears of war the lancer has no stock even though it probably should in the so they made on for the mk3 model i think fallout 4 has cool designs and its very sad to see many people just fall back to boring real world designs because they make sense, fallout does not need sense because it will look cool and can be explained through different technology so it works
@@cralo2569I mean. Wouldn’t it be kinda weird if a game started calling a Pistol a Rifle? Or if they called the Combat Knife a Combat Sword? Same with the Assault not being called an LMG.
I like the Assault Rifle because it just look cute and better than the boring AR-15 type of weapon If they wanted Assault Rifle, make it at least with something unique in our world Like the AR in Fallout 3, it just look so better than any boring black rifle that people use to death
I like how he talks about “why would the maxim still be used” Like brother the maxim machine gun was made in 1884 and is still being used today in 2023 Also the Maxim was used extensively in the LMG roll throughout the Second World War and other conflicts the soviets were involved in. So that’s why it would still be used…. Cause… it was Like it being converted into as assault rifle is valid but still.
I'd prefer the firearms to be more like dayz in both design and function. Condition, wear, actually unpacking and loading rounds. You could find a great rifle but no mag. For the fictional, handmade weapons, the gunners would be perfect. They manufacture and distribute. They could be this world's gun runners if you can get on their good side. If you want to be on their good side Given their origin, it makes sense.
I always found it interesting that in Fallout 4 the protagonist always fires the revolvers in single action. I don't think it's unrealistic, assuming both protagonist options were used to handling firearms, since firing single action can typically improve a person's accuracy.
Fallout 4 is my favorite game of the series, but one major problem it has are the weapons in the game. I wish Fallout 4 should of added the weapons from New Vegas. I like how in New Vegas have many modern modern and old school weapons. The same problem with New Vegas no suppressors on the 9mm pistols. Both games have there ups and downs.
The combat rifle gets me the most. It looks like some sort of hobbyist rifle, not cut out for military use. Then on top of that it comes chambered in .45 which wouldn’t be an issue if the magazine weren’t so damn wide.
I was pretty sure N99 10mm pistol was made as a sidearm for troops in power armor and i am glad i was not wrong, that does make sense when you look at size of that thing and its form, but developers scraped that idea and made that monstrosity main police/vault guard/army gun for shit and giggles.
I love how when describing what pipe weapons you think would fit the universe you just explained the 7DtD pipe weapons. The Fun Pimps did such a good job on those
I think the reason why some of the guns are left handed is because video games have different priorities from real guns. With a real gun, you want it to be unobtrusive. Seeing the rounds ejecting is a nuisance at best. But in a video game? Seeing the round lets your brain think "I it is doing the gun thing. I see it doing the gun thing". It is trying to use visual language to say things to us, even if it has to do so by doing things that we normally wouldn't need to hear.
You know what FO4 was missing? An institute version of the mesmetron, Similar to the slaver gun in FO3 but it would send people to the institute to be turned into synths, it would have given you both an additional evil playthrough and roll to fulfill with them in endgame.
The pipe revolver should be hurts my eyes tier. One reason is you can chamber it in 308, and bottleneck catriges don’t work in revolvers. Thats why every magnum round is long and tubular. Second reason is the gases would burn your arm whenever you hold the gun infront of the wheel. Third is revolvers require precise timing to function and work properly in the internals. Think of it like a watch. The notches on the cylinder have to align with the hand inside perfectly in order to rotate and function. Any gun nut in development would’ve sniffed this out and axed such a weapon.
Incidentally, the world of Fallout is not the 1950's, but a stylized retro-future 2050's. Notice the Atomic cars, prevalence of nukes and advanced robotics? That is how the world would look if we had embraced all things nuclear for 100 years.
I would love the handmade rifle... If the ammo wasn't stupid hard to find. Literally having to go to Nuka World to buy/find it is beyond annoying, specially in Survival. Idk why they didn't just let it spawn normally with the add on
The lever action having to reload all rounds before shooting is actually a system limitation, FNV was always going to have weapons that could reload 1 bullet and shoot
Then they have a very terrible implementation of that system when it's blatantly and visibly loading 5 rounds. The laser musket has a unique system where it can "reload" by charging up shots, and you're telling me they're too lazy to modify base code, especially if they're 100% capable of changing systems via updates? It's a question of laziness at this point, since they were happy with having very little variety of base guns for you to use.
My issue with the combat shotgun is that it looks just like the combat rifle. It's really hard to tell them apart and you can tell that the designers weren't even trying, they just used the same model with maybe a couple of minor details. The Assault Rifle should have been a SAW and renamed to light machine gun. It makes no sense to give powered armoured troops assault rifles anyway as you'd want to give them heavier weapons to capitalize on the increased strength that PA gives the wearer. They should really be carrying around SAWs and M2s as standard infantry weapons, Jin Roh style.
I unironically really like the 10mm design in fallout 4. Looks weird in 3rd person sure but it's a pretty much completely unique design and not hobble cobbled together parts from different irl guns as with most guns. The bulbous look fits the retro sci-fi look imo
The Assault Rifle , Combat Guns and 10mil are peak design and anyone who disagrees is just mad because they do not understand how much sense they make within Power Armour centric warfare and how they could be used by mixed Squadrons . Still prefer the New Vegas weapon variety , the lack of guns here made me mad , really .
The thing that always pisses me off with the pipe rifles is those iron sights or starting sights whatever they’re called. God they suck so much having it off center like that. I always immediately put a glow sight and an extended mag on it to make a fairly good looking budget type 100
My issue with the revolver is it doesn't have a firing pin. And as such shouldn't work. This is most likely because they modeled it off of a deactivated revolver probably from a museum. But that no one noticed and it still looks like that bothers me.
The thing is... I don't mind the combat shotgun? I do wish we had a HUNTING shotgun alongside it and that it had an option to maybe either automatic or pump-action since it is something made for the army and in my opinion is something that makes sense, but other than that, I don't have too much of an issue with it, and I can see the US army taking the design of the KS-23 (which is honestly what it looks like the most to me), and modifying the design for their own troops, as I'm pretty sure that there's some weapons in our current military that the contractors or whatever have done that with-
Pipe guns are horribles...assault rifle's barrel seems a boiler and i hate how a lot of heavy weapons (such as minigun) lost their back-mouted ammunition box...
Pro tip of the day: If you pick up an enemy's gun you get the amount of ammunition in the magazine of said gun on top of what you loot off their body. If you kill a triggerman with a Submachinegun, and loot some .45 cal rounds off of him, you should also pick up his submachinegun, and now you get whatever ammo the gun would be fully loaded with on top of what you already looted directly from the triggerman.
If the 8nstitute Laser Pistol looked more like the Plasma Defender from New Vegas I would have been much happier about it but holy cow is that thing huge. Definitely not visually appealing as is.
Minigun is "fine" in that it functions like a "minigun." Where it has problems lies in the fact that the character "reloads" it by taking out the empty "drum," shakes around the gun, then puts it back in. Reload animation aside, it is also just disappointing as far as damage goes, more than likely due to the fact that its found so early in the game, but even then, we don't even get proper damage increases. For example, you could make it in .308 like most real life examples have. Or go even bigger and make it .50 if your blood is rich enough for that.
Honestly, since they made power armor so big and powerful, they should have separated weapons into compatible and not compatible with power armor, and made things like the minigun cumbersome and difficult to use without it, while making pistols, SMGs, rifles and such incompatible. Something like this: Heavy weapons + Power armor = good. Heavy weapons + Normal armor = cumbersome and difficult. Power armor + Normal weapons = not possible That way nothing would have to be scaled up to fit the power armor or look weirdly small, and it would make sense.
I always liked the jam random junk together weapons because a lot of weapons have been through a nuclear blast and are either destroyed or did survive but would definitely be rusted after a few years. Also I think they’re maybe different because it’s just different states that will be mostly far apart to actually have the same sorta sense to build their gun like others. That’s just what I think when a weapon goes through an apocalypse.
So many cool designs with the art in Fallout 4. I love looking through the art book! Some of the weapons are good, then some are questionable or quite rough. I really like the handmade AK, the laser musket, the fatman, and others. The hunting rifle bolt on the left is just bizarre as it's not common and we even had a right-hand hunting rifle with animations that fit all the way back in Fallout 3. Also, glad there are mods to make the revolver into double action. Strange it's single only in the base game. Also, while i like the Gauss rifle, i absolutely love the old fallout 3 Gauss rifle with all the wood furnishing! Looks badass and has a vibe that fits early 20th century guns! Love it! 👌🏻 The new assault rifle was designed for power armor, but I wish we still had the G3. It should have just been called like power armor machine gun, or hell, just bring in the LEWIS GUN! That would be sick! Love the Lewis gun! Also, yeah, there should be a BAR and other common American weapons of the era. Like I'm surprised there's no 1911! The ppk is cool and I liked the inclusion of the volksturmgewehr! Overall, well said! Good list, my dude! 😁😎👍🏻
Hm, here is repeatedly said that it's the 1950's but for one the nuclear war would be 2077 (something Bethesda also seems to ignore) and the whole retrofuture vibe did exist in Fallout 1 and 2 but it also had "modern" guns, like the minigun, SAW, G11's, AR's, P90's, Desert Eagle, FN Fal, etc etc... Strange that those seem to vanish the more the timeline shits into the future, by ironically having more goofy and outdated (even by today's standards) models replacing them.
I pretty much agree with every choice you made except for... the assault rifle. Yeah I'm gonna get some flak for this but it's one of my favorite looking guns, however it really does not fit into the game's world with its design. I really like weird bulky guns though so I'd put it quite a bit higher, around "Fine" if it wasn't in a Fallout game. I wish they did something else with it entirely and have an actual, you know, assault rifle in its place and it turned into an LMG type gun which the game really lacks anyway. It kinda tracks though, as this gun was actually the first working gun they got into the game and experimented with the attachment system and was actually meant to be used entire by Power Armor users, so I guess they weren't really sure of where the game's art style would go but kept it cause they already worked on it so much at the time.
I agree with that, if this was in a post WW1 game that was kind of like Fallout or Metro but more Steampunk, then I probably wouldn't have a problem with it.
A full auto pipe gun is actually probably the most realistic of the pipe guns. You can see the british sten wich is basically a real life pipe rifle chambered in 9 mm roughly equivalent to a .38 If i remember a group of polish freedom fighters made tgere own version (called bliskavika or something allong those lines) of the sten in like bicycle shops and garages So very possible for a low tech scavenger society to make in the wasteland
The assault rifle should get more love, especially some of the legendary variants. I got a explosive assault rifle and that thing destroyed everything it was all I needed, I carried that and a two shot sniper for the rest of the game after getting it and i obliterated anything and everyone the big magazine with the explosive perk you can’t beat it
If you remove pipe weapons there are only 2 hand guns, 4 rifles, and 2 shotguns in the base game. That's 8 small non laser weapons in the base game. There's about 30 in New Vegas, plus their unique counter parts. Bethesda is so cheap I swear
Maybe consider that in the real world weapons arent everywhere, you are not going to go to your local military base and see some random famas lying around, curtain factorys have guards with specific firearms or just a standard handgun, i look at fallout 4 and think that the military located in the common wealth were given weapons that were in storage, maybe these weapons that look like weird world war 1 and 2 kitbashes, is because the combat rifle/shotgun and assault rifle were weapons developed shortly after the 2nd world war. The assault rifle was made for power armor in lore so i don't think it is out of the realm of possiblility that one looked at a water cooling jacket and think "man what if i can carry this thing around".
The ten mm pistol was a volt weapon that was meant to be modified to be used in any situation for a person who is stuck in a vault and have to deal with the world outside of it
The combat rifle is cambered in pistol ammo by defaulf for some reason... the mag is chambered in rifle, assuming 5.56 and it ejects spent 10mm rounds upon firing. This gun has a lot of issues
My biggest gripe out of all the weapons is. Why have a weapon that matches the exact same aesthetic or neich. The pipe rifle and handmade are technically the exact same gun just one actually looks like it'd work....well looks like it wouldn't explode 10 rounds in...then it's weird that theyd make a ak like gun but not a m4 even though they had a m16 in vegas
A combat rifle typically fires full size rifle rounds. You only get that with the combat rifle if you rechamber it in .308. But then it doesn't change the animations any as it still throws out pistol casings when fired. M14 fired a 7mm cartridge. They did make revolver rifles. But like a regular revolver that if the catches on the cylinder wore out the gun could explode in your hand when fired because the chamber of the cylinder didn't line up with the barrel correctly. The thing is that most firearms are right-handed due to the fact most of humanity is right-handed. But most modern weapons used by militaries can be either with a slight adjustment which changes the ejector to kick out the casing either on the right or left and the safety and selectors are on both sides of the receiver. The institute rifle tends to be lower in damage than the normal laser rifle and fires blue instead of red. They didn't want to make more animations than they had to. The hunting rifle is a right-handed gun. The bolt handle is on the right side of the gun but through game magic the sole survivor operates it from the left.
With some stuff you have to remember that the US was culturally similar to the 1950s before the bombs dropped but it was really the 2070s. Futurism and extreme pro-capitalism affected the aesthetics of a lot of things. Not making excuses for the things that literally don’t look like they should function though.
I'd argue the fat man should be in Fine or Perfect tier, since it's basically a Davy Crockett recoilless rifle. The Davies were intended as short-ranged nuclear warhead launchers. But due to international treaties and the inability to hurl the nukes far enough that they wouldn't kill the shooter as well, they were scrapped. Also, as other said, the cryolator is noted on a terminal to have been the pet experiment Vault 111's overseer to create a lethal weapon out of spare cryopod parts.
Breaks my heart that the power fist used to perfectly clip into power armor to look like one solid unit. Looked so sick back in the day.
The fact they didn’t even have the wherewithal to add it as a bracer option for power armour instead of spiky knuckles that look no different
Unfortunately power fist look good with Porter Cage armour only
Why
Fun fact. If i'm not wrong Cryolator is not an Vault-Tec experiment. It was made by overseer and staff from spare parts because they have bern bored to the death in vault. That's why it is so chunky
Imagine being so bored you become Mr. Freeze
Yeah I’m pretty sure that’s the lore behind it you can see in the terminal that opens the evac door so you can escape
The Radium Rifle is a Volksturmgewehr. A semi automatic only rifle that is really hard to disassemble since it was made to have as little moving parts as possible. Its plausible that the Children of Atom reverse engineered it because you can probably make it in your garage given how simple it is.
Question is why did Bethesda use it in the first place. Not many were built so add one in the US would only make sense of it was a unique, something like the M2 Carbine would work better as it’s was made in much larger numbers and there plenty of them from the Pacific Islands going east to Europe
^ look at what’s needed to build either one. The radium rifle or volksturmgewehr was made from simple stamped components which is why there were produced so quickly during the end of the war. The volk sounds more simple to build than the M2. Doesn’t have to be brought to the world to exist in game. People built them.
ffs
@Mr3000 my idea for how they got them was that they found a bunch of reproduction weapons. That would explain the rechamber into a more common caliber that wouldn’t require a completely new design. Even now some companies are making reproduction guns.
@@Mr8001_I highly doubt the children of atom built them, and the reproductions would never outweigh the millions of M1 Carbines in the US, which as far as we know was still being used by the National Guard alongside the Battle Rifle (M1 Garand) from FNV, as much as we try to justify it, the radium rifle should have had a different model that fit better with the lore, thank goodness weapon replacer mods exist so we can personally fix developer snafus
Yeah, the FO3 assault rifle(HK33, basically a 5.56 G3) was super cool and I almost always either mod that in or the NV service rifle. Very odd they didn't include those in 4.
Yeah that would have fit fine.
The fo3 assault rifle is a CETME-C
@@Boone69 it's a PTR-91 which is a G3 clone. Bethesda even made reference to this by making said lore name of the gun "R91"
Especially considering that it's in the icon for the Commando perk and Arturo's shop
@@rangerbonesBoone there is right is is based off the CETME not the HK91.
If you look up the CETME you’ll see it has the earlier curved steel mags as opposed to straight aluminum waffle mags like the HK91/G3
Additionally the CETME was a gun made for Mexico which always made sense as to why the US would adopt it with the annexation of Mexico. A point I’m always surprised few bring up.
The HK91/G3 is based off the earlier CETME though. But considering the fallout lore regarding Mexico and the shape of the mags it’s much closer to the real world CETME
The Western Revolver is completely missing the firing pin, though.
omfg i never noticed that. i hate that gun now
Probably the Heliosrifle and the Thermite Bore, or the Dragonsbreath
Newer revolvers don't have a firing pin on the hammer
If yall want a western revolver done right, look for the Colt Single Action Army mod by ToastyFrench. Best pistol mod ive ever seen
@@royalsoldierofdrangleic4577the s&w model 29 does
i hate the look of most guns in fallout 4
Lol. That's all that needs to be said.
thats why gun mods replacing them are some of the most popular on nexus
Amen brother
cough, cough,
left-handed hunting rifle
cough.
sorry, i have a chest infection.
i hate the realistic guns people cram in with mods. the game is already stylized for what it is, putting a MAC-10 in it is dumb and i'd rather use a weapon rework to fix the balance of some guns
I work around firearms all day, I remember the first time I picked up the assault rifle I just had to go in the model viewer and my brain basically shut off for a moment at the sheer stupidity of this atrocity.
thats hilarous. any other insights into the weapons of the fallout series? genuinely curious what a professional thinks
@@defaultweeb3389 i could write a book about the guns of the fallout series with how much there is to say about them, both good and bad due to the lore implications, if you have any specific questions i'd be more than happy to answer them.
The cherry on top is they seemed to have based it on the Lewis gun but, instead of a simple shroud they gave it a water jacket;).
@@silverjohn6037 it's not based on a Lewis Gun, it's an M249 SAW mixed with an MG08/15 which makes absolutely 0 sense
@@petitponeydu7727 What do you think about 10mm pistol? To me it seems unnecessarily bulky and heavy, and for some reason FO1-FO2 model has a chamber instead of a magazine, and a handguard, while also being unnecessarily long. It makes no sense for a pistol which is meant to be a sidearm to be THIS bulky. FO1-FO2 i can somewhat justify by pretending its supposed to be a survival carbine, with atttachible stock, where revolver chamber and bulkiness is there to ensure reliability, but FO3-FNV 10mm pistol just seems like a slab of steel that would weight more than a rifle, and would be extremely unwieldy to carry under any circumstances.
I really do love the laser musket in concept, in being a makeshift weapon in an apocalyptic setting, while also fitting the nature of the minutemen, both in the historical sense as an analog to the musket and in being a scrappy sort of militia putting together what they have to meet their needs. Just unfortunate that not much more was done with the minutemen, just the couple quests and then "Another settlement needs your help!"...
Yeah, a lot of Fallout 4 had so much potential. Mods can help, but I really wish the vanilla game wasn't so bare.
Yea the laser musket was a nice mix of futuristic and apocalyptic with an old west vibe, I wish there was a way to upgrade it more to make it viable the whole game
the reason the radium rifle needs to go into has issues is because its a fullauto rifle based on a rifle thats semi auto only.
the Volkssturmgewehr is often mistranslated as 'peoples assault rifle' when in actuality its the 'rifle of the peoples assault'. the volkssturm was a paramilitary organisation supposed to hold the last stand against the allies, often underage boys and old men.
Wasnt that also a .22 caliber? Idk, i might be thinking of that silenced M1 Carbine
@@armintor2826 no it was designed to use the same magazine as the stg44 so it was chambered in 7,92 x 33mm kurz
What i love about the handmade rifle is that its based on an actual thing. The whole shovel stock was a nod to a reddit story that blew up a while ago when a guy made a full gun using and old shovel and he used the handle as the stock
The assault rifle was labeled the machine gun in the art book. I think they should have kept it as the machine gun in game instead of renaming it.
Like an attraction to underage girls, Assault rifle shouldve been kept deep inside the imagination.
There’s this theory going around that the cut chinese assault rifle was going to be the base game assault rifle but since it was cut and it’d be weird to have an fps without an assault rifle, they just renamed the machine gun to assault rifle
So, lorewise, apparently the combat weapons (rifle/shotgun) look so similar, crude and rudimentary because they were designed to be low cost, easy to manufacture weapons with interchangeable parts due to the ongoing resource wars and lack of materials like polymer etc.
A similar design concept to that of the WW2 grease gun.
Still doesn’t explain why everything is left handed😅
I think its because your character in game is left handed. If that's not the case, then I got nothing
@@GrimHunter76probably so they can use the same reload animation
If you look at the Quad-Barreled middle launcher, there is nothing to strike the tail of the other 3 middles, they just fly out when you pull the trigger.
I could imagine they ignite through electromagnetic induction in barrel, like in some modern rocket launchers
I always thought that the quad launcher just rotated the missles into place as you fired them
@@GrimHunter76 Its not shown at all but that's what I imagine to keep my brain from hurting, back blast would definitely kill the user otherwise
Fun Fact: The reason, or one of the reasons, there are so many left handed guns is 'cause the artist who did the guns for the original Counter Strike was left handed and modeled the weapons as such. Since then any weapons that used those CS weapons as reference also turned out left handed. Sometimes people even did it on purpose as a nod to the artist. Seeing as the two weapons that do this FO4 are the AK and the Hunting Rifle, which just a generic bolt action, leads me to believe that they used CS models as reference material.
Edit: I wrote this comment about halfway through the video before you mentioned the lever action and the "assault rifle", but I imagine they fall into the same category.
That does make sense, and it wouldn't bother me if your player was also left handed. Thanks for the fun fact!
That maybe but I'd say it was more likely due to the pipe bolt action having to be able to be used as a pistol and they were too cheap to do a separate set of animations for the hunting rifle.
@@silverjohn6037 That would make sense by knowing they use same grenade throw animation with almost every weapon what makes that 10mm pistol that they made to use animation works fine on 3rd person but almost every other weapon explode on parts when throwing grenade on 3rd person.
I love the boxy laser weapons and injection plasma weapons, they look great! Especially in the setting. They look believable with some nice stocks and scopes.
The ballistics however...
Yeah I agree with that.
The plasma weapons between 3 and 4 tell a little bit of a story if you take them out of their given context. The 3 looks almost like a proof of concept, like they're proving they can weaponize plasma, with the 4 being basically the first prototype that's not how they try to sell it though, which is what drives me insane.
Wait, isn’t the combat rifle already basically a BAR? It functions differently, but you can also modify it to be/find it as an automatic variant. Also, I agree the assault rifle would’ve been cooler if it was just a Lewis gun. Lewis guns are so neat looking.
It kind of is, maybe a bit more rough.
It's a BAR with giant full-size rifle round magazine taking .45. Someone at Bethesda clearly didn't do their homework.
@@ChompDemAll No one at Bethesda did their homework for ballistic guns of Fallout 4. All around, I only see lazy stuff. Eg. The Handmade Rifle bolt on the wrong side. The horrible Left Handed Hunting Rifle. They got lazy with the modeling.
@@foofoo3344 yeah, it's true that pretty much all the ballistic weapon in FO4 suffer from stupid models, but the stupid ammo rules are the worst in my opinion. When a .308 does less damage than .45 - you know something is wrong. And it makes absolutely zero sense - like, for example, I can understand "that gun" in FNV doing more damage with the 5.56 from a short barrel than a marksman carbine from a balance perspective, buy why the hell isn't combat rifle take some full-size rifle round by default? Ok, you want it take a different ammo than hunting rifle-add a goddamn 7.62x51 or something.
@@ChompDemAll Let's face it. We all know that the decision makers for Fallout 4 and Fallout 76 are complete morons
I miss the old combat shotgun firing sound , the old one sounded like it was powerful and about to break it was perfectly fitting, but the new one sounds like an old man coughing.
Pretty good list. I only wish that this game had more unique looking weapons like we had in previous fallout games, and no legendary effects.
Ps. My favorite looking weapon in this game is Deliverer.
I agree completely that the dearth of unique weapons is a big disappointment with Fallout 4. I will say though, the legendary system is fun. If you get a good drop like an explosive combat shotgun or a never-ending double barrel it can be absolutely game changing. I find the random legendary drops can add *a lot* of character to a playthrough, especially if obtained relatively early. I think a good solution would’ve been if Bethesda made all the named legendaries you get from quests, vendors, and obscure locations have unique appearances, that would’ve allowed them to keep the legendary system and would’ve given us a plethora of truly unique gear to deck out our characters with.
Yeah most of the unique weapons look like the base models.
@@dickweinerman4118Yeah but basically some legendaries are completely broken op like explosive or tge double damage on first one, while other are crap. Its a bad system.
@@Arkaskas1 It’s weird, there’s legendary perks that are just trash, like never good or so situational they’re basically useless. The rest of the legendary perks have usefulness almost entirely dependent on what weapon they drop on, explosive is great… on a weapon with high dps, it won’t do you much good on a Gauss rifle, but instigating (a mediocre perk on most stuff) is incredible on a Gauss rifle. Bad is subjective, I think the system brings some extra unpredictability, nuance, and fun to the game and I think Fallout 4 would be less with it’s absence.
@@dickweinerman4118 It's mostly bad objectively since you can find the best weapons on vendors like Spray and Pray which is the most overpowered thing and you can get it instantly. Then Improve Explosives + SMG damage + Bloody mess and everything stacks multiplicatevely for some reason for around x4 damage that instantly cripples and does splash damage. This is crap design, I could argue untested too. Also the infinite levelling is uter crap and creates bullet sponges enemies. Fallout 4 whole levelling and world is some of the worst game designs I've played in terms of balancing.
I think the Institute lasers are so overly bulky because they weren't really designed with human wielders in mind, they were intended to be used almost exclusively by synths
The Gauss Rifle looks like an early production model, with it's exposed parts
The Cryolator was a pet project of Vault 111's overseer, it's one of a kind (until Fallout 76, anyway)
I always thought of the institute lasers as like repurposed lab equipment
@@isaacorr3180 they probably started out as such, until they needed more resources from the surface, then they probably moved over to full on weapon production to arm their demonic toasters
The AR-15 platform definitely exists as seen in New Vegas with the Assault Carbine and the Marksman Rifle.
Either one should have taken the place of the Combat Rifle but Bethesda can't write Fallout to save their lives so it's not surprising that it hasn't happened.
"I would rather take _______ from Fallout: New Vegas"
Right there, every single thought and feeling I have about Fallout 4 summed up. Fallout 4 isn't a bad game, it's just a bad Fallout. And the fact that it had to follow New Vegas (and keeps getting contrasted, often negatively, to it) is just a testament to that.
Yeah I would agree with that. It's easier to compare weapons in the same series and if they are very different from the previous games.
I think a lot of weapons are left handed to show off the ammo leaving the gun more clearly, the same way CS does it, only kinda worse
Yeah, but it is still a bit strange.
Probably more to do with the fact the pipe bolt action had to be set up so it could be used as a pistol and they were too cheap to do a separate set of animations for the hunting rifle.
"shreds through things" *shows it doing nearly no damage to a super mutant*
I would just say that the aesthetic of Fallout is 1950s Americana, but it was actually 2077 when the nuclear war occurred.
Honestly I'm surprised he didn't mention the round of the Lever Action Rifle.
It's chambered in 45-70, which historically was used to hunt buffalo. Its surprising it doesn't do a load of damage
That is a problem, but so is the .50 cal doing so low damage that the .44 does more damage.
@@ReapeeRon let's just pretend in the first place that those generic hunting rifles and pipe guns can even feasibily be chambered in .50
@@janitordel6296 That is also true, maybe .50 cal pistol
I like the F4 AR design but it should've been a 7.62 lmg, it is too big and bulky for an AR
I agree.
the service rifle from NV is pretty much what you're talking about for a replacement of that combat rifle. also fallout guns can range up to 1990's, so the m14 is very fitting in the universe as well.
The M14 was actually in Fallout Tactics
@@certifiedprofessional9017 oh yeah, there you go then lol
There's a video on TH-cam where a gun expert examined the gun throughout the franchise to determine the range of years that are lore-accurate, one of the things he mentioned was seeing gun attachments going up to at least the early _2000's_ in origin.
@@vegeta002 honestly there’s only 2 major divergences from the real world, transistors not becoming popular which causes the blocky look of computers, in 1969 the US divides its territories into 13 commonwealths, basically bunch of states combined together
the Fallout universe does have a bigger emphasis on space exploration than our world and there’s the 50s retrofuturism, but other than the things I mentioned, our world and the Fallout world should largely be the same
I like the ugliness of the big chunky Assault Rifle, it suits Power Armor. I think that was their idea when modeling the rifle. "its a rifle meant for Power Armor squads".
Yes. Exactly this. I love assault rifles when using power armour so much because it just fits
The show made them look cool
@@colonel1003 the show is trash they character assassinated Mr. House. Whoever the scriptwriter is has sub 99 IQ jesus christ.
"The end of the economy is good for the economy" - Robert House. lmfao. Guess characters are only as smart as their writers.
@@colonel1003 ur mum made my pp look cool
The “assault rifle” would pass for me if they renamed it to handmade LMG or something
tbh had it been named something like "Vintage" or "Salvaged" LMG/SAW, i would say that abomination would feel ok if just on the fucked up FO4 weapon aesthetics.
If they wanted it to have such stupid and goofy look, they should have merged a Bren LMG with a Vickers Water cooled barrel, would make some messsed sense if that was said to be surplus of the Military that had been using them only for ceremonial or Public Parade events before the MAD went FUBAR.
It would definitely be better if it was labeled as an LMG and not a rifle but it is still a horrible design.
Rename it something that actually describes it and give us an actual assault rifle to call an assault rifle. The closest runner up we have is the Combat Rifle, which fires *PISTOL ROUNDS*. At least until we get into DLC and get the Handmade Assault Rifle.
Yeah that would be fine.
I never noticed the left handed weapons until this video... I always knew there was something off about the lever action!
Honestly the pipe bolt action would probably blow up, causing a bit of damage, but it woud probably cause ALOT of damage to the enemy, making getting these basicly grenades
Yeah that is true.
Does anyone else dislike the minigun model in 3 and New Vegas? I never liked the way the barrels werent evenly spaced out.
yeah sadly gotta remember its 2008 game tho
Yeah, always did kinda bug me a little lmaoo
The spikey muzzle for the Double barrel actually makes a bit of sense. Idk if you'd put them on a double barrel, but those are actual breaching muzzles. You push the spiky bit into a door frame and blow out the lock or hinges
You can find terminal entries in Vault 111 about the Cryolator.
The Overseer made it because he was bored.
Get back in the cannon, pirate. Theres a brig over there and you are suspiciously cannonball-shaped
I think the problem with the hunting rifle is because whoever made the weapon on the development team just didn’t know how bow bolt action firearms are used. The energy weapons look amazing and work well I just hate how much of the screen they take up in the games.
The junk jet and pipe weapons should’ve been fused together into a shotgun. A blunderbuss if you will.
Radium Rifle is based on the Volksturmgewehr (and I actually never noticed it was based on that until now, good eye!)
German last ditch weapon thrown out towards the end of WW2 and put in the hands of the Volksturm (Basically a militia of whoever they could scrape up to fight at the end of the war)
German gun nut and Fallout enjoyer here: Radium rifle is the Volkssturmgewehr 1-5 and the cartige is 7,92 x 33 mm kurz 😉
Also good choices.
Can you own guns in Germany?
@@user-kp3eq1uj8e Indeed you can. Muzzleloaders are free at 18+ and with a licence you can have breechloaders, repeaters and semi-automatics. Unfortunatly the magazine capacy for semi-auto rifles was caped to 10 rounds because of "terrorists"
And no full auto guns or other stuff considered a "weapon of war" like flamethrowers or granade launchers etc.
@@Aaahrg Sounds like California, but their laws keep get struck down by the Supreme Court. In my state you can own full auto if you go through the licensing to get an FFL. Flamethrowers and muzzleloaders can be owned at any age. You can't buy handguns from a dealer in the US until you reach 21 years old. You can be gifted one by a friend at 18 though.
You didnt mention it, but the sound of the 44 revolver in FO4 is AWESOME!
I think all the pipe weapons fit the "fit the world" since the reason they are weird and awkward is because they are (as you can easily tell) handcrafted scrapy low quality guns with a tone of room for modification. This is archived perfectly in concept and in practice, but they are terrible within the game progresion since durability isnt a thing and you outscale them at min 2 when you get the handcannon that is the 10mm, in the vault (you can play the entire game up to any level with just the 10mm and be fine, one shotting most enemies), with ammo being the only problem but not really if you dont make it a submachinegun.
I think the problem with the animations was that they wanted to have all guns be on the same side, the bottom right corner. I dont know about how being X handed looks with 2 handed rifles (apparently you carry them on the opposite shoulder is what im taking from the video?), but they must have had someone load the guns for the animation and model them, and decided that they wanted to change the shoulder instead of fliping them? (the character is supposed to be an experienced military guy btw, which adds insult to injury)
Yeah it sounds great!
The pipe bolt action was probably intended to be a single shot but got changed somewhere in the development, probably pretty late on judging by way it uses a revolver style full moon clip for it's reload animation. That said the pipe bolt action is a monster in VATS. If you've never tried it with a pistol build it can get nearly as many shots off in a round of VATS as the Deliverer but does more damage per shot so, depending on the upgrades (stay clear of telescopic sights or long heavy barrels), it can do more damage in a round of VATS than the Deliverer.
Literally every play-though I almost exclusively use mod weapons. And the vanilla weapons I do use are usually modded to look different
Yeah that is what always happens to me too.
The ASSault Rifle would be somewhat OK if they called it a personal machine gun or such, and gave us an actual assault rifle to call an assault rifle.
Yeah that would be a nice change. I could also see this working in a post WW1 game that is kind of like Fallout.
why do people throw a hissy fit over it not being called specifically a LMG? do the game really has to spit it out to you? have you never seen the true eyes of a basilisk in dark souls? it's really not a big deal, if you can use your eyes to realize the truth. idk its very silly when its obviously a lmg but it isnt that big of a deal because i use power armor and the gun does look good you guys just cant appreciate cool stuff like in gears of war the lancer has no stock even though it probably should in the so they made on for the mk3 model i think fallout 4 has cool designs and its very sad to see many people just fall back to boring real world designs because they make sense, fallout does not need sense because it will look cool and can be explained through different technology so it works
@@cralo2569I mean. Wouldn’t it be kinda weird if a game started calling a Pistol a Rifle?
Or if they called the Combat Knife a Combat Sword?
Same with the Assault not being called an LMG.
I like the Assault Rifle because it just look cute and better than the boring AR-15 type of weapon
If they wanted Assault Rifle, make it at least with something unique in our world
Like the AR in Fallout 3, it just look so better than any boring black rifle that people use to death
The Fallout universe’s big nuclear war was in 2077 not the 1950s. The culture just continued and never progressed. Just FYI.
I like how he talks about “why would the maxim still be used”
Like brother the maxim machine gun was made in 1884 and is still being used today in 2023
Also the Maxim was used extensively in the LMG roll throughout the Second World War and other conflicts the soviets were involved in.
So that’s why it would still be used…. Cause… it was
Like it being converted into as assault rifle is valid but still.
That's a fair point from recent events. Still seems pretty strange for the US to have made this into the assault rifle and not something like the BAR.
I'd prefer the firearms to be more like dayz in both design and function. Condition, wear, actually unpacking and loading rounds. You could find a great rifle but no mag.
For the fictional, handmade weapons, the gunners would be perfect. They manufacture and distribute. They could be this world's gun runners if you can get on their good side. If you want to be on their good side Given their origin, it makes sense.
That would be a whole lot better.
I always found it interesting that in Fallout 4 the protagonist always fires the revolvers in single action. I don't think it's unrealistic, assuming both protagonist options were used to handling firearms, since firing single action can typically improve a person's accuracy.
"I don't think you could make a automatic pipe weapon."
The Sten: *exists*
I'm a left-handed marksman. They absolutely manufacture left-handed rifles.
Edit: If Dirty Harry can use a harpoon gun, then it's perfect! Lol!
Yeah I don't have a problem with it being left handed more that your person doesn't use it left handed. Also agree with the Harpoon Gun.
Fallout 4 is my favorite game of the series, but one major problem it has are the weapons in the game. I wish Fallout 4 should of added the weapons from New Vegas. I like how in New Vegas have many modern modern and old school weapons. The same problem with New Vegas no suppressors on the 9mm pistols. Both games have there ups and downs.
So from what I've been able to peice together, the Flamer was born from civilian flamethrowers. Weed burners, etc.
The combat rifle gets me the most. It looks like some sort of hobbyist rifle, not cut out for military use. Then on top of that it comes chambered in .45 which wouldn’t be an issue if the magazine weren’t so damn wide.
I believe there’s a random encounter in fallout where someone has a junk jet in the Westland
Maybe it’s manta man or something related to that but idrk
That does sound right.
I was pretty sure N99 10mm pistol was made as a sidearm for troops in power armor and i am glad i was not wrong, that does make sense when you look at size of that thing and its form, but developers scraped that idea and made that monstrosity main police/vault guard/army gun for shit and giggles.
I love how when describing what pipe weapons you think would fit the universe you just explained the 7DtD pipe weapons. The Fun Pimps did such a good job on those
I think the reason why some of the guns are left handed is because video games have different priorities from real guns.
With a real gun, you want it to be unobtrusive. Seeing the rounds ejecting is a nuisance at best. But in a video game? Seeing the round lets your brain think "I it is doing the gun thing. I see it doing the gun thing". It is trying to use visual language to say things to us, even if it has to do so by doing things that we normally wouldn't need to hear.
You know what FO4 was missing? An institute version of the mesmetron, Similar to the slaver gun in FO3 but it would send people to the institute to be turned into synths, it would have given you both an additional evil playthrough and roll to fulfill with them in endgame.
The pipe revolver should be hurts my eyes tier. One reason is you can chamber it in 308, and bottleneck catriges don’t work in revolvers. Thats why every magnum round is long and tubular. Second reason is the gases would burn your arm whenever you hold the gun infront of the wheel. Third is revolvers require precise timing to function and work properly in the internals. Think of it like a watch. The notches on the cylinder have to align with the hand inside perfectly in order to rotate and function. Any gun nut in development would’ve sniffed this out and axed such a weapon.
Ive been following this channel for the New Vegas lists, and now i cant get enough.
i love how on the AR you say we had the BAR in nv and forget the combat rifle is the BAR essentially when you put proper upgrades on it
i use mods to replace a good chunk of the weapons with their classic (fallout 1 / 2) versions, and this is exactly why
Fair.
Incidentally, the world of Fallout is not the 1950's, but a stylized retro-future 2050's. Notice the Atomic cars, prevalence of nukes and advanced robotics? That is how the world would look if we had embraced all things nuclear for 100 years.
I would love the handmade rifle... If the ammo wasn't stupid hard to find. Literally having to go to Nuka World to buy/find it is beyond annoying, specially in Survival. Idk why they didn't just let it spawn normally with the add on
Yeah that is pretty annoying, you can fix it with mods, which is pretty nice.
The lever action having to reload all rounds before shooting is actually a system limitation, FNV was always going to have weapons that could reload 1 bullet and shoot
Then they have a very terrible implementation of that system when it's blatantly and visibly loading 5 rounds. The laser musket has a unique system where it can "reload" by charging up shots, and you're telling me they're too lazy to modify base code, especially if they're 100% capable of changing systems via updates? It's a question of laziness at this point, since they were happy with having very little variety of base guns for you to use.
Yeah there's literally a mod on Nexus that weighs about a megabyte that adds that feature to Fallout 4's lever action rifle.
Honestly, a Vietnam pattern M16 is a fine replacement for the AR
My issue with the combat shotgun is that it looks just like the combat rifle. It's really hard to tell them apart and you can tell that the designers weren't even trying, they just used the same model with maybe a couple of minor details.
The Assault Rifle should have been a SAW and renamed to light machine gun. It makes no sense to give powered armoured troops assault rifles anyway as you'd want to give them heavier weapons to capitalize on the increased strength that PA gives the wearer.
They should really be carrying around SAWs and M2s as standard infantry weapons, Jin Roh style.
I unironically really like the 10mm design in fallout 4. Looks weird in 3rd person sure but it's a pretty much completely unique design and not hobble cobbled together parts from different irl guns as with most guns. The bulbous look fits the retro sci-fi look imo
The Assault Rifle , Combat Guns and 10mil are peak design and anyone who disagrees is just mad because they do not understand how much sense they make within Power Armour centric warfare and how they could be used by mixed Squadrons .
Still prefer the New Vegas weapon variety , the lack of guns here made me mad , really .
The thing that always pisses me off with the pipe rifles is those iron sights or starting sights whatever they’re called. God they suck so much having it off center like that.
I always immediately put a glow sight and an extended mag on it to make a fairly good looking budget type 100
My issue with the revolver is it doesn't have a firing pin. And as such shouldn't work.
This is most likely because they modeled it off of a deactivated revolver probably from a museum. But that no one noticed and it still looks like that bothers me.
The goat scream at the start gave me a laugh
Glad you thought it was funny!
The thing is...
I don't mind the combat shotgun? I do wish we had a HUNTING shotgun alongside it and that it had an option to maybe either automatic or pump-action since it is something made for the army and in my opinion is something that makes sense, but other than that, I don't have too much of an issue with it, and I can see the US army taking the design of the KS-23 (which is honestly what it looks like the most to me), and modifying the design for their own troops, as I'm pretty sure that there's some weapons in our current military that the contractors or whatever have done that with-
We need a all in one mod that puts realistic guns that are balanced in fo4
I agree, and that is usually what my mods end up binging.
Pipe guns are horribles...assault rifle's barrel seems a boiler and i hate how a lot of heavy weapons (such as minigun) lost their back-mouted ammunition box...
I'm left-handed, so the handmade rifle.Being left-handed works perfectly for me ❤🔥🔥🙆
Yeah that would be fine for you!
Pro tip of the day: If you pick up an enemy's gun you get the amount of ammunition in the magazine of said gun on top of what you loot off their body.
If you kill a triggerman with a Submachinegun, and loot some .45 cal rounds off of him, you should also pick up his submachinegun, and now you get whatever ammo the gun would be fully loaded with on top of what you already looted directly from the triggerman.
If the 8nstitute Laser Pistol looked more like the Plasma Defender from New Vegas I would have been much happier about it but holy cow is that thing huge. Definitely not visually appealing as is.
I agree, that one is just too blocky/ too close to the screen.
Minigun is "fine" in that it functions like a "minigun." Where it has problems lies in the fact that the character "reloads" it by taking out the empty "drum," shakes around the gun, then puts it back in. Reload animation aside, it is also just disappointing as far as damage goes, more than likely due to the fact that its found so early in the game, but even then, we don't even get proper damage increases. For example, you could make it in .308 like most real life examples have. Or go even bigger and make it .50 if your blood is rich enough for that.
Honestly, since they made power armor so big and powerful, they should have separated weapons into compatible and not compatible with power armor, and made things like the minigun cumbersome and difficult to use without it, while making pistols, SMGs, rifles and such incompatible.
Something like this:
Heavy weapons + Power armor
= good.
Heavy weapons + Normal armor
= cumbersome and difficult.
Power armor + Normal weapons
= not possible
That way nothing would have to be scaled up to fit the power armor or look weirdly small, and it would make sense.
Yeah that could have made it better.
I always liked the jam random junk together weapons because a lot of weapons have been through a nuclear blast and are either destroyed or did survive but would definitely be rusted after a few years. Also I think they’re maybe different because it’s just different states that will be mostly far apart to actually have the same sorta sense to build their gun like others. That’s just what I think when a weapon goes through an apocalypse.
So many cool designs with the art in Fallout 4. I love looking through the art book! Some of the weapons are good, then some are questionable or quite rough. I really like the handmade AK, the laser musket, the fatman, and others. The hunting rifle bolt on the left is just bizarre as it's not common and we even had a right-hand hunting rifle with animations that fit all the way back in Fallout 3. Also, glad there are mods to make the revolver into double action. Strange it's single only in the base game. Also, while i like the Gauss rifle, i absolutely love the old fallout 3 Gauss rifle with all the wood furnishing! Looks badass and has a vibe that fits early 20th century guns! Love it! 👌🏻
The new assault rifle was designed for power armor, but I wish we still had the G3. It should have just been called like power armor machine gun, or hell, just bring in the LEWIS GUN! That would be sick! Love the Lewis gun! Also, yeah, there should be a BAR and other common American weapons of the era. Like I'm surprised there's no 1911! The ppk is cool and I liked the inclusion of the volksturmgewehr! Overall, well said! Good list, my dude! 😁😎👍🏻
Hm, here is repeatedly said that it's the 1950's but for one the nuclear war would be 2077 (something Bethesda also seems to ignore) and the whole retrofuture vibe did exist in Fallout 1 and 2 but it also had "modern" guns, like the minigun, SAW, G11's, AR's, P90's, Desert Eagle, FN Fal, etc etc...
Strange that those seem to vanish the more the timeline shits into the future, by ironically having more goofy and outdated (even by today's standards) models replacing them.
Oh, man. I haven't heard that scream sfx in years.
I pretty much agree with every choice you made except for... the assault rifle. Yeah I'm gonna get some flak for this but it's one of my favorite looking guns, however it really does not fit into the game's world with its design. I really like weird bulky guns though so I'd put it quite a bit higher, around "Fine" if it wasn't in a Fallout game. I wish they did something else with it entirely and have an actual, you know, assault rifle in its place and it turned into an LMG type gun which the game really lacks anyway.
It kinda tracks though, as this gun was actually the first working gun they got into the game and experimented with the attachment system and was actually meant to be used entire by Power Armor users, so I guess they weren't really sure of where the game's art style would go but kept it cause they already worked on it so much at the time.
I agree with that, if this was in a post WW1 game that was kind of like Fallout or Metro but more Steampunk, then I probably wouldn't have a problem with it.
I prefer the missile launcher from 4 as compared to 3 or NV, I just don’t like the big box thing on the missile launchers in 3
Yeah I like the one in Fallout 4 too, it is pretty nice.
A full auto pipe gun is actually probably the most realistic of the pipe guns.
You can see the british sten wich is basically a real life pipe rifle chambered in 9 mm roughly equivalent to a .38
If i remember a group of polish freedom fighters made tgere own version (called bliskavika or something allong those lines) of the sten in like bicycle shops and garages
So very possible for a low tech scavenger society to make in the wasteland
The .44 revolver is missing the firing pin and is based on a double action but your character always fires it single action.
The big stupid ass charging handle on the side of the Tommy Gun is enough to put it in the bottom tier for me.
I can understand that.
The assault rifle should get more love, especially some of the legendary variants. I got a explosive assault rifle and that thing destroyed everything it was all I needed, I carried that and a two shot sniper for the rest of the game after getting it and i obliterated anything and everyone the big magazine with the explosive perk you can’t beat it
If you remove pipe weapons there are only 2 hand guns, 4 rifles, and 2 shotguns in the base game. That's 8 small non laser weapons in the base game.
There's about 30 in New Vegas, plus their unique counter parts.
Bethesda is so cheap I swear
Yeah I wish there was more options in this game. FNV had so many options even if they are a bit strange/scuffed.
Maybe consider that in the real world weapons arent everywhere, you are not going to go to your local military base and see some random famas lying around, curtain factorys have guards with specific firearms or just a standard handgun, i look at fallout 4 and think that the military located in the common wealth were given weapons that were in storage, maybe these weapons that look like weird world war 1 and 2 kitbashes, is because the combat rifle/shotgun and assault rifle were weapons developed shortly after the 2nd world war. The assault rifle was made for power armor in lore so i don't think it is out of the realm of possiblility that one looked at a water cooling jacket and think "man what if i can carry this thing around".
The ten mm pistol was a volt weapon that was meant to be modified to be used in any situation for a person who is stuck in a vault and have to deal with the world outside of it
The combat rifle is cambered in pistol ammo by defaulf for some reason... the mag is chambered in rifle, assuming 5.56 and it ejects spent 10mm rounds upon firing. This gun has a lot of issues
"So fallout 4 kinda has a weapons issue..." [*screams and zooms in on assault rifle*] "not so much in the function." 😂
My biggest gripe out of all the weapons is. Why have a weapon that matches the exact same aesthetic or neich. The pipe rifle and handmade are technically the exact same gun just one actually looks like it'd work....well looks like it wouldn't explode 10 rounds in...then it's weird that theyd make a ak like gun but not a m4 even though they had a m16 in vegas
A combat rifle typically fires full size rifle rounds. You only get that with the combat rifle if you rechamber it in .308. But then it doesn't change the animations any as it still throws out pistol casings when fired. M14 fired a 7mm cartridge. They did make revolver rifles. But like a regular revolver that if the catches on the cylinder wore out the gun could explode in your hand when fired because the chamber of the cylinder didn't line up with the barrel correctly. The thing is that most firearms are right-handed due to the fact most of humanity is right-handed. But most modern weapons used by militaries can be either with a slight adjustment which changes the ejector to kick out the casing either on the right or left and the safety and selectors are on both sides of the receiver. The institute rifle tends to be lower in damage than the normal laser rifle and fires blue instead of red. They didn't want to make more animations than they had to. The hunting rifle is a right-handed gun. The bolt handle is on the right side of the gun but through game magic the sole survivor operates it from the left.
I imagine that is more of a game effect.
With some stuff you have to remember that the US was culturally similar to the 1950s before the bombs dropped but it was really the 2070s. Futurism and extreme pro-capitalism affected the aesthetics of a lot of things. Not making excuses for the things that literally don’t look like they should function though.
I'd argue the fat man should be in Fine or Perfect tier, since it's basically a Davy Crockett recoilless rifle. The Davies were intended as short-ranged nuclear warhead launchers. But due to international treaties and the inability to hurl the nukes far enough that they wouldn't kill the shooter as well, they were scrapped.
Also, as other said, the cryolator is noted on a terminal to have been the pet experiment Vault 111's overseer to create a lethal weapon out of spare cryopod parts.
First tier list I’ve wholeheartedly agreed with
Thanks!
I bought fallout 4 when it came out, I have never seen or heard of the tesla gun, where the heck is it even from?
4:04 'has high dps' he says as the super mutant overlord just eats every single round without issue
That was an unmodded minigun and on survival difficulty
@@ReapeeRon ah well fair enough