@@she-devil294 I agree, that ending was pretty weak, they could have survived easily, but it was like they decided to die instead of living without power which is a dumb decision for smart characters.
@@WCephei77HD nah but I feel like Cersie knew it was over for her and prolly thought that Danny would prevail & thus rule Westeros and she knew that she would eventually be killed by her for killing her friend (I forgot her name).. Plus it was poetic how they (Cersie & Jaimie) both died, in each other's arms as we all know their motto, “anyone who isn't us doesn't matter” and they came into this world together and now they leave it together... Obviously could've been a bit longer (the 8th season, possibly a 9th or 10th) but hey, what we can we say about that?!
This. One of the reasons why I love game of thrones and GRRM so much is not only because of the complexity of the characters or the plot, but because it made people realise how interesting history actually is.
This has literally become my favorite channel on TH-cam so quickly. Such thoughtful analyses on so many different movies and shows. Thank you, it's a delight to watch.
In my opinion, *Cersei* is exactly like *Catherine de Medicis* , Queen Of France of 16th century. Catherine's children all died before her, she was one of the exceptions to become Queen because "la loi salique" forbade all women from sitting on the french throne. She was heavily involved in the Religious Wars of France, esp. in St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre in 1572 where she had the entire unarmed Protestant noblity slaughtered and attacked Marguerite de Navarre and Henry III during their wedding in the Palace of Louvre. Search it up, the similarities are tremendous.
Lyanna Stark, I had the same idea. She also had 2 underaged sons on the throne and was regent to at least one of them, and her husband loved hunting and jousting tournaments, and died from an accident at the latter.
Exactly! Not to mention that she was also the last of the House of Valois and the Medici dynasty and she tried *everything* in order to keep monarchy restored -just like Cersei. And, her husband Henry II, had a mistress and many bastard children...!
Early in the series, both book and show, Cersei reminded me more of Isabella of France, AKA the She-wolf (ironically), wife of Edward II of England in the 14th C, as she was portrayed by Maurice Druon in The Accursed Kings, a book series George RR Martin has named many times among the top inspirations for ASOIAF. I felt she was like Isabella mostly because of her fierce hatred against her husband, her adultery, and her plotting to have him killed. But in latter seasons she's been giving me Catherine of Medici vibes as well, or at least Alexandre Dumas' version of Catherine: a fierce political intriguer and ruthless in defending her sons, none of whom survived her.
+A Pelletier Very good points. Personally, except for Catherine de Medicis, Cersei reminds me strongly of Lucretia of the Borgias dynasty in 15th Century Italy: renowned for her rare beauty, sold by her father to a husband she never wanted, abused by many around her and eventually grew stronger and extremely manipulative both sexually and politically. Also the entire Borgias family reminds me of the Lannisters: the family who rised in power due to nepotism and gold but never actually became a true family...
There's definitely a little bit of Cesare Borgia in Jamie Lannister, I'll give you that! Tywin might be a decent pope Alexander, but he is a much better fit as Edward Longshanks as their back stories are eerily similar: inept fathers thrust him into a political role at a young age, and both became bent not just on defeating enemies but eradicating them - the Castameres playing out the role of Simon de Montfort's barons and the Starks being the Scots. Both Tywin and Longshanks were also deeply in love with their spouses and mourned them considerably after they died. They both had pretty deep seated hatred towards one of their sons, albeit for totally different reasons.
Daenerys also reminds me of Cleopatra. Cleopatra was the last surviving member of an inbred royal family that did not come from Egypt but ruled because their ancestor Ptolemy Soter had succeeded the throne from Alexander the Great 300 years before.
I agree, I always saw Dany as more of a Cleopatra than a Henry, and has anyone else drawn connections between the Dothraki army and the Huns? Considering the way the Huns were able to terrorize the world and create a massive empire, this might bode well for Dany. But the Huns also failed spectacularly when they and their horses had to cross water on boats. (Pretty much every calvary ever fails when it has to cross water.) So considering the fate of the Huns as well as Cleopatra... Dany has just as much chance to end tragically as she does to succeed like in the video.
Robb kinda reminds of Alexander the Great. Two great commanders who never lost a single battle but were betrayed (allegedly in Alexander's case) and killed while not on the battlefield before they could realize their dreams.
We should see the symbolism for: Greyjoys, Martells, Tullys, Arryns, Freys. And also other groups like The Nights Watch, The Wildlings, The Brotherhood Without Banners, The Dothraki, etc.
It recently hit me that Rhaegar Targaryen + Elia Martell + Lyanna Stark echo the historical personas of Henry VIII + his Catholic wife Catherine of Aragon (who couldn't bare him anymore children) + Anne Boleyn whom he fell in love with, annulled his marriage for and gave birth to Elisabeth I - the next legitimate ruler of England; just as Jon Snow / Targaryen is also the next legitimate heir to the throne of Westeros. Do you think GRR Martin could draw inspiration from that, or is my theory too far fetched?
Catherine of Aragon is from Iberia (Spain) and Ellia Martell is from Dorne, Westeros' version of Iberian peninsula. Coincidence? or probably their love story is inspired by them.
Furthermore, I think you're getting Henry Fitzroy and Edward VI slightly confused. Both were sons of Henry (although the first illegitimate) and both lived into their teens.
Jon is still dead and might stay dead in the books, and annulments of marriage in the books don't exist, especially if you already have children. Plus why would Rhaegar and Lyanna get married without anyone knowing?
I can't see Jon still being dead in the books. It doesn't make sense for the storyline, which seems to be about him and Dany finally running into each other and meeting (a song of ice and fire). As for why Lyanna and Rhaegar would get married and why Rhaegar would get an annulment, 1. Lyanna clearly didn't seem as introduced as Robert as he was in her, so perhaps she met Rhaegar and ran off with him. Rhaegar also shows significant interest in prophecies and it possible that he interpreted "the dragon must have three heads"/ Elia's barrenness as a sign he needed to remarry. Elia, for her part, might have been okay with an annulment considering that her children would still be in line for the throne (remember that Elia and her children were still alive and perfectly safe at the time of the annulment). Annulments haven't really been covered in ASOIAF but they sure were a thing in medieval Europe, which we all know the basis of the story comes from, soooo none of this comes across as completely implausible to me. And I mean they did say it happened...so it kinda did whether you believe it or not lol
I get very emotional when the show touches on sibling issues, like Cersei and Tyrion confrontaion, Theon's almost hopeless rescue of his sister, even the Cleganes , what's up with them? Please make a video on sibling relationships in game of thrones and how they played out in the War of the FIve Kings, and in the coming Winter.
The parallel between Tyrion and Richard III is stronger than that with Ned. They're both physically deformed and vilified even though both are not the villains they were portrayed as
crazy7chameleon Richard III wasn’t actually deformed, it was a lie Shakespeare created to please Elizabeth I. They found he wasn’t deformed after finding his body under a car park in Leicester. Quick fact for you 👍.
As always your GoT videos bring a lot to the table and I really enjoyed what I watched of this one. (I'll watch the rest when I get home/ at work) I did a video essay that was a lot like this where I talk about where GRRM pulled his inspiration for some of his characters and events before going into a theory on how I think the show will end.
I think non European influence Game of Thrones would be an interesting topic as well. I will give couple of examples: The defense of using fire against Stannis´ attack on King´s Landing look quite similar to the Battle of Red Cliff in Chinese history. The Dothraki seem to be mixture of the Huns, the Mongols and the North American prairie Indians. The cities on the Slavers Bay seem to have Phoenician or other Middle East, perhaps Egyptian influence.
The North = Scandinavia The Riverlands = Benelux The Westerlands = Britain The Iron Islands = Ireland The Vale = Switzerland/Austria The Reach = France The Stormlands = Germany Dorne = Iberia Ghiscari Empire = Ancient Egypt Valyrian Freehold = Roman Empire Dothraki = Mongols Slaver's Bay = North Africa
@@soufian2733 I think the Wildlings in are the Scottish Pictish tribe who were so hated by the Romans they built Hadrians wall in Scotland whose ruins are still seen today
'Game of Thrones' is far more history than fantasy. Whereas Tolkien literally created an entire world and mythos through sheer imagination, Martin plundered previous events and locales to deliver compelling and relatable human drama.
I love LOVE this channel. It dives into just the kind of things that I love looking at when watching this show and other stuff too. I'm always looking at the symbolism of great stories like Game of Thrones, and it's a beautiful thing what you're doing here. Thank you so much for your uploads :)
Stannis didn't want power he saw it as his duty and to bring justice to a corrupt government. To reinforce this he goes to wall because it's his duty to protect the realm
We also need Houses Tully, Arryn, and Frey at some point, and I'd like to see the Tarlys and maybe even other groups like the Night's Watch, the Free Folk, and the Brotherhood Without Banners.
Ever since you made a video of Reagar Targaryan, I've wanted a spinoff in this show that takes place in ned's youth, the war everyone in the beginning of the series talked about
I'm split, the predicability of a Danaerys victory, based on history and thematics would render a dull watch. Whereas I do see it heading towards that way.
As always this is really good, you know what you are talking about and you know what conclusions should be taken from the elements of the story. Greetings from France
William the Conquer was originally the Duke of Normandy (a vassal of the french king) and a bastard. Essentially he wasn't the ideal candidate for English Throne (besides the fact that he was the cousin of the previous king) however, through the art of conquest he won the throne for himself. Aegon came from a lesser House as well, however, through the art of conquest became King of a foreign land
Big differences in Wars of the Roses and Game of Thrones: 1) despite the city of York being in north-central England, the Yorkist's main support was in southern England and Wales, while Lancasters' support was mainly in the north 2) Lancaster king Henry VI was a very religious, weak-minded and gentle monarch throughout his adult years, nothing like the Lannisters (although as a boy he was perhaps similar to Tommen) 3) there was no queen like Cersei among the Lancasters or Yorkists, in fact there were no queens ruling in England in the 15th century, although Henry IV's wife Margaret was a strong and determined woman 4) no dragons 5) no White Walkers 6) no Wildlings (although they did get raided by Scots from time to time, Scots were evidently more civilized than Wildlings) 7) no red witches to raise people from the dead and 8) no incest reported or even rumored among the Lancasters nor the Yorkists.
I don't actually think George R.R Martin drew any inspiration from what I'm about to say, but have you ever heard of Stockholms Bloodbath? It's a big part of Swedish history and most people from Sweden know about it, and it's really similar to the red wedding. So the basic story goes that there was a great party in Stockhom celebrating the coronation of Kristian II (King of Denmark) as king of Sweden after he defeated Sten Sture at the ice battle of Åsunden. Everyone of Swedens most important people were invited (a few random people were there to, not invited, but there to help) and for a while, it was a good time... Until the doors closed... And the musicians started playing a familiar tune, The Rains of Castamere... Okay maybe that wasn't true but whatever... The danes beheaded around 60 people that night and (like I said) it has come to be known as Stockholms bloodbath. One of the victims of the Bloodbath was Erik Johansson, a knight and a member of Swedens privy council. One of Erik's children, Gustav Johansson (a.k.a Gustav Vasa) sought revenge for what Kristian the Tyrant (as he was now known as) did to his father. Idk the whole story but after raising army of random people he maneged to overthrow Kristian II and take the throne, thus ending the Kalmar Union. Btw Idk if I am, but if I am, sorry for my bad english. ...But I don't think I am ;P
That was good English. Probably better than most English Speakers because we will often drop words that are proper English but that we know we don't need them to convey our ideas. Or we will us slang or jargon that many might not understand. Skol!
I just love everything you upload to this channel. My youtue experience finally has so much good. I cant wait for you to show how game of thrones characters die in the way they killed.
I truly enjoyed this Game of Thrones related episode and how history affects it. With the Battle of Castle Black from Season 4, I actually could not help but think of the classic image of the Vietnam War, where American troops were surrounded by NVA and/or VC troops.
There is definitely a good drop of ancient history, particularly the century or so before and after 0 AD, in GofT as well. Dany and the Targaryens bare more than a passing resemblance to the Ptolemys of Ancient Egypt and Dany's story has some interesting parallels with Cleopatra, the last of the Ptolemyic Pharaohs. Though European (ie Westeros) in origin, they live in and eventually rule a kingdom in Africa (i.e Essos). Dany is the last of her dynasty as Cleopatra was the last of hers. Dany is descended from a heroic/almost semi-mythical ruler and Cleopatra was descended and could draw her family history back to Alexander the Great. She has a tyrannical brother (who also has an incestuous interest in his sister) who comes to an unfortunate end by getting the crown he wanted for so long, Cleopatra was originally co-ruler alongside her brother Ptolemy XIII, who was also her husband and ended up drowned in the Nile weighed down by his own finery and armour.Once Pharaoh in her own right, Cleopatra built a relationship with her subjects by doing things that no other Ptolemy had done, learn the local language, revive ancient traditions and making herself the embodiment of the traditional ancient gods. We have seen Dany do many similar things with her own subjects.Dany's burgeoning relationship with Jon parallels the relationship between Cleopatra and Marc Anthony. It starts off as a relationship of difference, Queen and Commander, with Cleopatra/Dany seeing themselves as the superior. But it quickly becomes a relationship of equals and of lovers. Between them they aim to conquer and rule Westeros, much as Cleopatra and Anthony planned to conquer and rule the Roman world. One of Cleopatra's keys to doing this was through her three children, who were the products of her relationships with Ceaser and Anthony. They had all the Roman and Egyptian blue-blood needed to become rulers in their own right and her greatest weapon in order too consolidate her power in Rome. Dany has three children too, who are her greatest weapons and could help her win her war, though of course they are children of the horned, scaly, giant, flying literal weapon variety, rather than figurative weapons.Of course if Dany and Jon are indeed Cleopatra and Marc Anthony it might not bode so well for their futures in the final season of GofT.
The ending of the Wars of the Roses has similarities with the ending of the Dance of Dragons. In fact I think the Dance of Dragons has more in common with the Wars of the Roses than the War of the Five Kings. For one thing the Dance and the Roses ended with both factions marrying each other. And the wars started because the previous king's heir was someone that skipped over several others in line for the throne. Not to mention both factions had control of the throne at various points in their respective wars.
This year I started my history ALevel and one of the topics we're covering around the Normans along with Anglo-Saxon England right before the Conquest [The full timeline follows Edward The Confessor through to William II] and I've noticed that there are also a number of similarities between the histories of Edward The Confessor, William The Conqueror and the Godwin Family, and Game of Thrones. For example, Godwin a powerful Earl who proved to be a big problem for Edward the Confessor and father to Harold Godwinson, reminds me greatly of Tywin Lannister. As they both strive to have their families on top of both power and wealth.
I think Daenerys could finally break the wheel by melting the Iron Throne with Drogons fire. It would make sense considering it was created by Aegon using his dragon Balerion.
kbg12ila Unnecessary in my opinion. It's not like the Throne itself is special or cursed or something. So even if she destroys the chair, there will still have to be rulers and conflict over ruling. So it's uncalled for.
cersei isnt just related to margaret of anjou and anne boleyn also elizabeth woodville has similarities to her elizabeth was rumoured to have relations with her brother anthony and was still sceming after the house of york was merged with the tudors
And also if I may add that in my opinion, the White Walker are a representation of Gog and Magog(the eastern version like Islam’s to be more specific) because according to the story, they are also barred behind a wall (the only difference is that the location of that wall is unknown) until the end of time in which they will break the wall and be unleashed upon the world, and that they were placed there by a powerful, almost almighty king by the name of Dhul Qarnayn which has similarities with the Last Hero when you read up on both stories.
There's a noise that keeps popping up throughout this video, most notably at 2:40, that sounds like the raptor call from Jurassic Park haha. Quite unnerving
Margaery may be inspired by Elizabeth of York or Catherine of Aragon. First Margaery is with Renly then with Joffrey; Just like Lizzie said in TWQ, "so whatever happens in this battle, I will be queen". Second is Margaery is bethroated to Joffrey then he died in their wedding day without consumnating their marriage, she then marys Tommen, Joffrey's younger brother; It's just like Catherine of Aragon marying Henry VIII after his older brother Arthur died.
They paid attention and took great lessons in history to better the quality of the show..... Until season 7 where they said fuck the writing just give em battles and dragons
In terms of the supernatural and mythological elements, I would say King Arthur and other aspects of Welsh mythology and the Black Death for the threat of the White Walkers. GRRM has specifically named the Sidhe for the characteristics of the White Walkers.
Despite being the dukes of york(york is in northern england) the house of york members mentioned lived most of their lives in central or southern england and the yorkist power base was in south of england, the royalist forces during the wars of the roses had there powerbase in the north as families live the percy's who ruled northumbria supported magaret of anjou.
in honor of littlefinger's death, can you guys do a character analysis on him? i really enjoy your content - you're easily my go-to channel now! keep up! :)
1. That line by Tyrion, “it’s hard to put a leash on a dog, once you’ve put a crown on it’s head” is pretty much a summary of Richard II’s life 2. The Dance of Dragons, while not depicted in the show, is an equally fascinating rendition if the Anarchy 3. ... Richard of York should have been king
If anything, Dany represents the triumph of political liberalism over a traditionalist, feudal society. Although we see what happens when you try to impose a liberal society on other cultures and the hardships that come with it during Dany's rule over Meereen, echoing parallels to war in Iraq
even though Iraq is still a mess its far more liberal than it was 15 years ago. liberalism has been winning since the magna carta if you want to make a comparison to Iraq the sack of highgarden is far more appropriate.
Goliath Online Refugees are legal, protecting illegal immigrants for the sake of maintaining our humanity,and deaming people who believe they are intrinsically better than others as "Nazis", like those who show no empathy fot those in suffering, who are accepting of brutality to "the other," or unwilling to change in order to make sure we as a species can flourish -while people who refuse to acknowledge facts that aren't supportive of their preconcieved notions and then try to silence the opposition with the government are fascists. and how is any of that bigotted? Sure, I am not going to listen to someone arguing that gay marriage should be illegal or that a whole religion should be demonized, but most liberals are tolerant of any argument based on 1)facts and 2) a desire to make the world a better place.
She says she wants to change the system even though the only reason she wants the iron throne is because of her feudal claim. She's really just a big hypocrite. Also I feel it'd be to obvious for her (or Jon) to become the monarch of Westeros. #teamsansa
To be fair Ned died because he was stupid. As for lying to Jon, was probably for the better also because Jon know nothing. I wouldn't agree she's becoming Cersei, I guess she's had some impact on her but her biggest influence is by far Littlefinger. She's also been deliberately shown as being a competent ruler in Winterfell, even though it was handled quite sloppy, like with the fur in the armour that she obviously knows more about than the actual people who makes armour... But that's really just D&D not understanding subtlety. Sansa being stupid about Arya/Little this season can also be written of as bad writing, I'm pretty sure she's supposed to be a smart character, which she's been all previous seasons, albeit quite naive in the beginning... I do agree with you about the Tyrells though, Margery is probably my favourite character.
Tywin was inspired by Edward the 1st Hammer of the scots. Stannis is emperor Tiberius. The Targaryens are essentially the romans. They shaped Westeros(Europe) culturally and they declined in a similar way to the romans. I also see the Stark Lannister war as similar to the wars of Scottish independence.
There are a lot of parallels between Joffrey and the Roman Emperor Nero. Nero was also the son of the previous emperor Claudius' wife but NOT of Claudius; his mother Agrippina got Claudius to name her son as heir instead of his own and then poisoned him, just like how Cersei poisons Robert. Like Joffrey, Nero was still an adolescent when he ascended the throne. Shortly afterward he had Claudius' real son Britannicus assassinated as a potential rival, just like how Joffrey orders the murder of Robert's bastards. Nero and Joffrey are both vicious sadists. Like Agrippina, Cersei tries to rein in her son's crazier behaviors. The other restraining force on Nero was his former tutor, the philosopher Seneca, who has been criticized as a hypocrite for preaching Stoic austerity while becoming fabulously rich under Nero and meekly going along with the emperor's excesses. This is a lot like Joffrey's adviser, Grand Maester Pycelle, a seemingly wise scholar who's actually corrupt and pusillanimous.
Loved the video, but if I remember correctly, Henry VIII didn’t leave a full treasury for his son. Henry was a spendthrift and died with a lot of debt.
"It's hard to put a leash on a dog, once you've put a crown on its head." What an underrated quote.
Never taught your children that they're perfect and invincible.
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“It’s just a matter of when and how spectacular Cersei’s downfall will be.”
*gets buried by bricks*
Even Cersei deserved a better ending! I don't think I'll ever get over the disappointment of watching season 8. 😔
@@she-devil294 I agree, that ending was pretty weak, they could have survived easily, but it was like they decided to die instead of living without power which is a dumb decision for smart characters.
@@WCephei77HD nah but I feel like Cersie knew it was over for her and prolly thought that Danny would prevail & thus rule Westeros and she knew that she would eventually be killed by her for killing her friend (I forgot her name).. Plus it was poetic how they (Cersie & Jaimie) both died, in each other's arms as we all know their motto, “anyone who isn't us doesn't matter” and they came into this world together and now they leave it together... Obviously could've been a bit longer (the 8th season, possibly a 9th or 10th) but hey, what we can we say about that?!
@@ab_theyoungking We can say a lot haha
This. One of the reasons why I love game of thrones and GRRM so much is not only because of the complexity of the characters or the plot, but because it made people realise how interesting history actually is.
Jane Doe True! I read and watch Game of Thrones because of the Wars of the Roses and other history it draws inspiration from.
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Kayla Ray I thought the same thing, they actually give insightful input and add more than just give a rundown of what happened in the series.
Game of thrones better inspire new generation of novels and shows following the examples of game of thrones and martin theme of the novels.
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Game of thrones is like a combination of William Shakespeare's Richard the third, the war of the roses and lord of the Rings.
In my opinion, *Cersei* is exactly like *Catherine de Medicis* , Queen Of France of 16th century. Catherine's children all died before her, she was one of the exceptions to become Queen because "la loi salique" forbade all women from sitting on the french throne. She was heavily involved in the Religious Wars of France, esp. in St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre in 1572 where she had the entire unarmed Protestant noblity slaughtered and attacked Marguerite de Navarre and Henry III during their wedding in the Palace of Louvre. Search it up, the similarities are tremendous.
Lyanna Stark, I had the same idea. She also had 2 underaged sons on the throne and was regent to at least one of them, and her husband loved hunting and jousting tournaments, and died from an accident at the latter.
Exactly! Not to mention that she was also the last of the House of Valois and the Medici dynasty and she tried *everything* in order to keep monarchy restored -just like Cersei. And, her husband Henry II, had a mistress and many bastard children...!
Early in the series, both book and show, Cersei reminded me more of Isabella of France, AKA the She-wolf (ironically), wife of Edward II of England in the 14th C, as she was portrayed by Maurice Druon in The Accursed Kings, a book series George RR Martin has named many times among the top inspirations for ASOIAF. I felt she was like Isabella mostly because of her fierce hatred against her husband, her adultery, and her plotting to have him killed. But in latter seasons she's been giving me Catherine of Medici vibes as well, or at least Alexandre Dumas' version of Catherine: a fierce political intriguer and ruthless in defending her sons, none of whom survived her.
+A Pelletier Very good points. Personally, except for Catherine de Medicis, Cersei reminds me strongly of Lucretia of the Borgias dynasty in 15th Century Italy: renowned for her rare beauty, sold by her father to a husband she never wanted, abused by many around her and eventually grew stronger and extremely manipulative both sexually and politically. Also the entire Borgias family reminds me of the Lannisters: the family who rised in power due to nepotism and gold but never actually became a true family...
There's definitely a little bit of Cesare Borgia in Jamie Lannister, I'll give you that! Tywin might be a decent pope Alexander, but he is a much better fit as Edward Longshanks as their back stories are eerily similar: inept fathers thrust him into a political role at a young age, and both became bent not just on defeating enemies but eradicating them - the Castameres playing out the role of Simon de Montfort's barons and the Starks being the Scots. Both Tywin and Longshanks were also deeply in love with their spouses and mourned them considerably after they died. They both had pretty deep seated hatred towards one of their sons, albeit for totally different reasons.
Daenerys also reminds me of Cleopatra. Cleopatra was the last surviving member of an inbred royal family that did not come from Egypt but ruled because their ancestor Ptolemy Soter had succeeded the throne from Alexander the Great 300 years before.
It was also rumoured that Ptolemy was Alexander's half-brother.
IonTorch52 Well,it's rumored that Orys Baratheon(founder of house Baratheon) was the half-brother of Aegon I
I agree, I always saw Dany as more of a Cleopatra than a Henry, and has anyone else drawn connections between the Dothraki army and the Huns? Considering the way the Huns were able to terrorize the world and create a massive empire, this might bode well for Dany. But the Huns also failed spectacularly when they and their horses had to cross water on boats. (Pretty much every calvary ever fails when it has to cross water.) So considering the fate of the Huns as well as Cleopatra... Dany has just as much chance to end tragically as she does to succeed like in the video.
@@brookb5890 You know what happened to Cleopatra. There's Dany's vision she doesn't touch the throne.
Turns out that Daenerys was essentially Harry Truman.
I remember the tales of Henry VII fighting ice zombies in Greenland.
relazar this made me spit laugh dunno why
Robb kinda reminds of Alexander the Great. Two great commanders who never lost a single battle but were betrayed (allegedly in Alexander's case) and killed while not on the battlefield before they could realize their dreams.
Or Dany
He's a lot like Edward IV also.
I'm early so let me make an old joke from the good old Season 6.
Tommen had a good Kings Landing.
kieran kennedy i
Hey old but gold I guess
Tommen: King's Landing
Brandon: Winterfell
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We should see the symbolism for: Greyjoys, Martells, Tullys, Arryns, Freys. And also other groups like The Nights Watch, The Wildlings, The Brotherhood Without Banners, The Dothraki, etc.
It recently hit me that Rhaegar Targaryen + Elia Martell + Lyanna Stark echo the historical personas of Henry VIII + his Catholic wife Catherine of Aragon (who couldn't bare him anymore children) + Anne Boleyn whom he fell in love with, annulled his marriage for and gave birth to Elisabeth I - the next legitimate ruler of England; just as Jon Snow / Targaryen is also the next legitimate heir to the throne of Westeros. Do you think GRR Martin could draw inspiration from that, or is my theory too far fetched?
Catherine of Aragon is from Iberia (Spain) and Ellia Martell is from Dorne, Westeros' version of Iberian peninsula. Coincidence? or probably their love story is inspired by them.
Thomas Doran Actually, Katherine of Aragon had at least two sons. But both died very young (within a year of birth).
Furthermore, I think you're getting Henry Fitzroy and Edward VI slightly confused. Both were sons of Henry (although the first illegitimate) and both lived into their teens.
Jon is still dead and might stay dead in the books, and annulments of marriage in the books don't exist, especially if you already have children. Plus why would Rhaegar and Lyanna get married without anyone knowing?
I can't see Jon still being dead in the books. It doesn't make sense for the storyline, which seems to be about him and Dany finally running into each other and meeting (a song of ice and fire). As for why Lyanna and Rhaegar would get married and why Rhaegar would get an annulment, 1. Lyanna clearly didn't seem as introduced as Robert as he was in her, so perhaps she met Rhaegar and ran off with him. Rhaegar also shows significant interest in prophecies and it possible that he interpreted "the dragon must have three heads"/ Elia's barrenness as a sign he needed to remarry. Elia, for her part, might have been okay with an annulment considering that her children would still be in line for the throne (remember that Elia and her children were still alive and perfectly safe at the time of the annulment). Annulments haven't really been covered in ASOIAF but they sure were a thing in medieval Europe, which we all know the basis of the story comes from, soooo none of this comes across as completely implausible to me.
And I mean they did say it happened...so it kinda did whether you believe it or not lol
This channel has such a bright future. Their analysis and video quality is better than channels with millions of subscribers.
I get very emotional when the show touches on sibling issues, like Cersei and Tyrion confrontaion, Theon's almost hopeless rescue of his sister, even the Cleganes , what's up with them? Please make a video on sibling relationships in game of thrones and how they played out in the War of the FIve Kings, and in the coming Winter.
Game of thrones is like a combination of William Shakespeare's Richard the third, the war of the roses and lord of the Rings.
soyon manlai and a dash of Macbeth and The Sopranos
George RR Martin is the Shakespear of our age
Martin is Martin :).
George Martin, first of his name, King of novels, protector of sexes & murders! lol.
The parallel between Tyrion and Richard III is stronger than that with Ned. They're both physically deformed and vilified even though both are not the villains they were portrayed as
crazy7chameleon Richard III wasn’t actually deformed, it was a lie Shakespeare created to please Elizabeth I. They found he wasn’t deformed after finding his body under a car park in Leicester. Quick fact for you 👍.
@@jordancox305 It depends which Richard III. There's the real version, and the Shakespeare version.
@@jordancox305 He had scoliosis, which is more of a complex spine problem than actually having a hunchback
The best GOT-related video. Entertainment + history = happy me.
Power doesnt corrupt. Power exposes the corruption that is already there. Dorkmatter2525
As always your GoT videos bring a lot to the table and I really enjoyed what I watched of this one. (I'll watch the rest when I get home/ at work)
I did a video essay that was a lot like this where I talk about where GRRM pulled his inspiration for some of his characters and events before going into a theory on how I think the show will end.
More excellent content. This channel needs to be in everyone's feed. Thank you for your content!
I think non European influence Game of Thrones would be an interesting topic as well. I will give couple of examples:
The defense of using fire against Stannis´ attack on King´s Landing look quite similar to the Battle of Red Cliff in Chinese history.
The Dothraki seem to be mixture of the Huns, the Mongols and the North American prairie Indians.
The cities on the Slavers Bay seem to have Phoenician or other Middle East, perhaps Egyptian influence.
The North = Scandinavia
The Riverlands = Benelux
The Westerlands = Britain
The Iron Islands = Ireland
The Vale = Switzerland/Austria
The Reach = France
The Stormlands = Germany
Dorne = Iberia
Ghiscari Empire = Ancient Egypt
Valyrian Freehold = Roman Empire
Dothraki = Mongols
Slaver's Bay = North Africa
Actually, I was thinking that the Dothraki reminded me of the Scythians.
Soufian 27 I think he Ghiscari Empire is more along the lines of Carthage in its relationship with Valyria (Rome)
@@soufian2733 I think the Wildlings in are the Scottish Pictish tribe who were so hated by the Romans they built Hadrians wall in Scotland whose ruins are still seen today
'Game of Thrones' is far more history than fantasy. Whereas Tolkien literally created an entire world and mythos through sheer imagination, Martin plundered previous events and locales to deliver compelling and relatable human drama.
I know this is 4 years later but Tolkien’s ideas did not come from nowhere. He pulled from mythology from all around the world.
I love LOVE this channel. It dives into just the kind of things that I love looking at when watching this show and other stuff too. I'm always looking at the symbolism of great stories like Game of Thrones, and it's a beautiful thing what you're doing here. Thank you so much for your uploads :)
Unbelievable odds? She basically has the only nukes on the battlefield XD
She started life in exile, and her dragons weren't even hatched when Drogo died.
This channel has quickly become my favorite! I love all of the analyses that you have presented, and I look forward to seeing more each week! :)
Analyses like no other channel, im surprised you guys dont have 1 mill+ subs yet. keep up the good work
Stannis didn't want power he saw it as his duty and to bring justice to a corrupt government. To reinforce this he goes to wall because it's his duty to protect the realm
And Stannis didn't destroy his family, Renly did be crowning himself King of Highgarden.
Where is House Greyjoy and House Martell?
We also need Houses Tully, Arryn, and Frey at some point, and I'd like to see the Tarlys and maybe even other groups like the Night's Watch, the Free Folk, and the Brotherhood Without Banners.
House Greyjoy are vikings
House Martell are arabs from alandalus
Witch Of the lord I thought they were the Spanish/portugese
andlus is spain but when it was under arab rule so you're not wrong
Vikings and Latin Americans respectively, IMO.
Ever since you made a video of Reagar Targaryan, I've wanted a spinoff in this show that takes place in ned's youth, the war everyone in the beginning of the series talked about
I'm split, the predicability of a Danaerys victory, based on history and thematics would render a dull watch. Whereas I do see it heading towards that way.
i am amazed how you managed to make this video without the white princess and the white queen... i mean, those two are the best series of that period
As always this is really good, you know what you are talking about and you know what conclusions should be taken from the elements of the story. Greetings from France
The Finale is coming.....
I would love to see a part 2 on this subject please
Fantastic video. Well done
I think aegon the conqueror is alot like william the conqueror
Euanskii And people of Westeros Andals, First Men and Roynars (?) are similar to Anglo Saxons and Jutlandians
Euanskii why cuz they have similar names? I'd bet they are entirely different and you just said this cuz they sound similar
William the Conquer was originally the Duke of Normandy (a vassal of the french king) and a bastard. Essentially he wasn't the ideal candidate for English Throne (besides the fact that he was the cousin of the previous king) however, through the art of conquest he won the throne for himself. Aegon came from a lesser House as well, however, through the art of conquest became King of a foreign land
Robsta Mcfadyen no mate they are similar not just names he sailed across to a foreign land and won the throne
Bsdacres "the art of conquest" + 3 big dragons
Big differences in Wars of the Roses and Game of Thrones: 1) despite the city of York being in north-central England, the Yorkist's main support was in southern England and Wales, while Lancasters' support was mainly in the north 2) Lancaster king Henry VI was a very religious, weak-minded and gentle monarch throughout his adult years, nothing like the Lannisters (although as a boy he was perhaps similar to Tommen) 3) there was no queen like Cersei among the Lancasters or Yorkists, in fact there were no queens ruling in England in the 15th century, although Henry IV's wife Margaret was a strong and determined woman 4) no dragons 5) no White Walkers 6) no Wildlings (although they did get raided by Scots from time to time, Scots were evidently more civilized than Wildlings) 7) no red witches to raise people from the dead and 8) no incest reported or even rumored among the Lancasters nor the Yorkists.
I don't actually think George R.R Martin drew any inspiration from what I'm about to say, but have you ever heard of Stockholms Bloodbath? It's a big part of Swedish history and most people from Sweden know about it, and it's really similar to the red wedding. So the basic story goes that there was a great party in Stockhom celebrating the coronation of Kristian II (King of Denmark) as king of Sweden after he defeated Sten Sture at the ice battle of Åsunden. Everyone of Swedens most important people were invited (a few random people were there to, not invited, but there to help) and for a while, it was a good time... Until the doors closed... And the musicians started playing a familiar tune, The Rains of Castamere... Okay maybe that wasn't true but whatever...
The danes beheaded around 60 people that night and (like I said) it has come to be known as Stockholms bloodbath.
One of the victims of the Bloodbath was Erik Johansson, a knight and a member of Swedens privy council. One of Erik's children, Gustav Johansson (a.k.a Gustav Vasa) sought revenge for what Kristian the Tyrant (as he was now known as) did to his father. Idk the whole story but after raising army of random people he maneged to overthrow Kristian II and take the throne, thus ending the Kalmar Union.
Btw Idk if I am, but if I am, sorry for my bad english.
...But I don't think I am ;P
That was good English. Probably better than most English Speakers because we will often drop words that are proper English but that we know we don't need them to convey our ideas. Or we will us slang or jargon that many might not understand. Skol!
Excellent character and historical analysis!! I love your channel! Seven Blessings to you!
I just love everything you upload to this channel. My youtue experience finally has so much good. I cant wait for you to show how game of thrones characters die in the way they killed.
I truly enjoyed this Game of Thrones related episode and how history affects it. With the Battle of Castle Black from Season 4, I actually could not help but think of the classic image of the Vietnam War, where American troops were surrounded by NVA and/or VC troops.
Thanks again for this video, loved it. Keep it up🔥🔥🔥
Love your videos, this channel deserves more subs
wow what a video, hands down my favorite one that you guys have done so far! awesome info and comparisons to the show!
There is definitely a good drop of ancient history, particularly the century or so before and after 0 AD, in GofT as well. Dany and the Targaryens bare more than a passing resemblance to the Ptolemys of Ancient Egypt and Dany's story has some interesting parallels with Cleopatra, the last of the Ptolemyic Pharaohs. Though European (ie Westeros) in origin, they live in and eventually rule a kingdom in Africa (i.e Essos). Dany is the last of her dynasty as Cleopatra was the last of hers. Dany is descended from a heroic/almost semi-mythical ruler and Cleopatra was descended and could draw her family history back to Alexander the Great. She has a tyrannical brother (who also has an incestuous interest in his sister) who comes to an unfortunate end by getting the crown he wanted for so long, Cleopatra was originally co-ruler alongside her brother Ptolemy XIII, who was also her husband and ended up drowned in the Nile weighed down by his own finery and armour.Once Pharaoh in her own right, Cleopatra built a relationship with her subjects by doing things that no other Ptolemy had done, learn the local language, revive ancient traditions and making herself the embodiment of the traditional ancient gods. We have seen Dany do many similar things with her own subjects.Dany's burgeoning relationship with Jon parallels the relationship between Cleopatra and Marc Anthony. It starts off as a relationship of difference, Queen and Commander, with Cleopatra/Dany seeing themselves as the superior. But it quickly becomes a relationship of equals and of lovers. Between them they aim to conquer and rule Westeros, much as Cleopatra and Anthony planned to conquer and rule the Roman world. One of Cleopatra's keys to doing this was through her three children, who were the products of her relationships with Ceaser and Anthony. They had all the Roman and Egyptian blue-blood needed to become rulers in their own right and her greatest weapon in order too consolidate her power in Rome. Dany has three children too, who are her greatest weapons and could help her win her war, though of course they are children of the horned, scaly, giant, flying literal weapon variety, rather than figurative weapons.Of course if Dany and Jon are indeed Cleopatra and Marc Anthony it might not bode so well for their futures in the final season of GofT.
Loved this! You just earned a new subscriber, keep it up!
The ending of the Wars of the Roses has similarities with the ending of the Dance of Dragons. In fact I think the Dance of Dragons has more in common with the Wars of the Roses than the War of the Five Kings. For one thing the Dance and the Roses ended with both factions marrying each other. And the wars started because the previous king's heir was someone that skipped over several others in line for the throne. Not to mention both factions had control of the throne at various points in their respective wars.
Ramsay hit the nail on the head, "If you think this (Game of Thrones) has a happy ending, then you haven't been paying attention."
Stannis Baratheon was most likely inspired from Tiberius Caesar.
He has pretty much every quality that Tiberius had.
The One True King Stannis!!
your voice is beautiful. Perfect for this kind of videos
About 12 hours away from Season 7 Finale!!
This year I started my history ALevel and one of the topics we're covering around the Normans along with Anglo-Saxon England right before the Conquest [The full timeline follows Edward The Confessor through to William II] and I've noticed that there are also a number of similarities between the histories of Edward The Confessor, William The Conqueror and the Godwin Family, and Game of Thrones. For example, Godwin a powerful Earl who proved to be a big problem for Edward the Confessor and father to Harold Godwinson, reminds me greatly of Tywin Lannister. As they both strive to have their families on top of both power and wealth.
This channel is is my God.
Still waiting for the other Houses... But this was a great video indeed...
I think Daenerys could finally break the wheel by melting the Iron Throne with Drogons fire. It would make sense considering it was created by Aegon using his dragon Balerion.
True, that would make lots of sense.
But what else would she sits on then?
kbg12ila Unnecessary in my opinion. It's not like the Throne itself is special or cursed or something. So even if she destroys the chair, there will still have to be rulers and conflict over ruling. So it's uncalled for.
@@leoheo88 The Royal Futon. And it folds out into a bed if she gets sleepy. Or horny I suppose.
As always, BRAVO 👏
Nice ..best game of thrones channel by far
This channel is goddamn incredible. I'm so glad I found it keep up the great work!
pause at 0:36 . thank you.
Lambo Bovino that scene was so great that I never looked
Lambo Bovino Joffrey dies and Cersei show boobs, there's something better?
I see two interesting things, besides dying Joffrey. Yes, two ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
God bless
Fantastic, just like the videos on each house
Make a part two!!
Published on my birthday! and the finale is today :,)
cersei isnt just related to margaret of anjou and anne boleyn also elizabeth woodville has similarities to her
elizabeth was rumoured to have relations with her brother anthony and was still sceming after the house of york was merged with the tudors
When they mentioned “Merlin” I thought they were talking about the one with Colin and Bradley for a second. 😅
Please more Game of Thrones symbolism, Like about Greyjoys, Martell, Freys, Forrester, i love these videos!
Edward IV's mistress was also humiliated like Cersei. Goffrey is very similar to Richard II.
6:28 and this is Robert’s desk chair here! Too many paralleeeeeeeeeels
And also if I may add that in my opinion, the White Walker are a representation of Gog and Magog(the eastern version like Islam’s to be more specific) because according to the story, they are also barred behind a wall (the only difference is that the location of that wall is unknown) until the end of time in which they will break the wall and be unleashed upon the world, and that they were placed there by a powerful, almost almighty king by the name of Dhul Qarnayn which has similarities with the Last Hero when you read up on both stories.
Joffery is Hitler and Ramesy is Stalin.
There's a noise that keeps popping up throughout this video, most notably at 2:40, that sounds like the raptor call from Jurassic Park haha. Quite unnerving
Margaery may be inspired by Elizabeth of York or Catherine of Aragon. First Margaery is with Renly then with Joffrey; Just like Lizzie said in TWQ, "so whatever happens in this battle, I will be queen". Second is Margaery is bethroated to Joffrey then he died in their wedding day without consumnating their marriage, she then marys Tommen, Joffrey's younger brother; It's just like Catherine of Aragon marying Henry VIII after his older brother Arthur died.
They paid attention and took great lessons in history to better the quality of the show..... Until season 7 where they said fuck the writing just give em battles and dragons
Yeah. Everything after Season 4 was just character assassinations, dumb drama, dumb action scenes, and horrendous writing.
In terms of the supernatural and mythological elements, I would say King Arthur and other aspects of Welsh mythology and the Black Death for the threat of the White Walkers. GRRM has specifically named the Sidhe for the characteristics of the White Walkers.
power corrupts, absolute power , corrupts absolutely.
Despite being the dukes of york(york is in northern england) the house of york members mentioned lived most of their lives in central or southern england and the yorkist power base was in south of england, the royalist forces during the wars of the roses had there powerbase in the north as families live the percy's who ruled northumbria supported magaret of anjou.
in honor of littlefinger's death, can you guys do a character analysis on him? i really enjoy your content - you're easily my go-to channel now! keep up! :)
1. That line by Tyrion, “it’s hard to put a leash on a dog, once you’ve put a crown on it’s head” is pretty much a summary of Richard II’s life
2. The Dance of Dragons, while not depicted in the show, is an equally fascinating rendition if the Anarchy
3. ...
Richard of York should have been king
This video was great!
If anything, Dany represents the triumph of political liberalism over a traditionalist, feudal society. Although we see what happens when you try to impose a liberal society on other cultures and the hardships that come with it during Dany's rule over Meereen, echoing parallels to war in Iraq
even though Iraq is still a mess its far more liberal than it was 15 years ago. liberalism has been winning since the magna carta if you want to make a comparison to Iraq the sack of highgarden is far more appropriate.
Goliath Online Refugees are legal, protecting illegal immigrants for the sake of maintaining our humanity,and deaming people who believe they are intrinsically better than others as "Nazis", like those who show no empathy fot those in suffering, who are accepting of brutality to "the other," or unwilling to change in order to make sure we as a species can flourish -while people who refuse to acknowledge facts that aren't supportive of their preconcieved notions and then try to silence the opposition with the government are fascists. and how is any of that bigotted? Sure, I am not going to listen to someone arguing that gay marriage should be illegal or that a whole religion should be demonized, but most liberals are tolerant of any argument based on 1)facts and 2) a desire to make the world a better place.
She says she wants to change the system even though the only reason she wants the iron throne is because of her feudal claim. She's really just a big hypocrite. Also I feel it'd be to obvious for her (or Jon) to become the monarch of Westeros. #teamsansa
To be fair Ned died because he was stupid. As for lying to Jon, was probably for the better also because Jon know nothing. I wouldn't agree she's becoming Cersei, I guess she's had some impact on her but her biggest influence is by far Littlefinger. She's also been deliberately shown as being a competent ruler in Winterfell, even though it was handled quite sloppy, like with the fur in the armour that she obviously knows more about than the actual people who makes armour... But that's really just D&D not understanding subtlety. Sansa being stupid about Arya/Little this season can also be written of as bad writing, I'm pretty sure she's supposed to be a smart character, which she's been all previous seasons, albeit quite naive in the beginning...
I do agree with you about the Tyrells though, Margery is probably my favourite character.
I'm sooo upset and sad!!
Because of the dragon!!😢😢
Stannis' sacrifice of his daughter echoes Agamemnon and Iphigenia from Greek myth. Not all of the influence is English history.
A fantastic video!
6:17-6:19 Why is Anne Boleyn's painting nodding with approval?
They? David and Dan confessed they didn't understand the Game of Throne books.
Especially the character of Stannis.
great video
rooting for danny!
Wow you guys shot over 100K subs so fast!
great video as always... now please can do a video of Jon Snow/Aegon Targaryen?
Do a 150k sub special. You'll get there by next week!
Can you make a part two of this?
History repeats itself with the blood and with the hate
Someon bad moths Guinevere: *SUDDENLY I EMERGE FROM THE DUST OF ADMIRATION TO PROTECT THE MISUNDERSTOOD CHARACTERS I LOVE*
Very interesting!
Tywin was inspired by Edward the 1st Hammer of the scots. Stannis is emperor Tiberius. The Targaryens are essentially the romans. They shaped Westeros(Europe) culturally and they declined in a similar way to the romans. I also see the Stark Lannister war as similar to the wars of Scottish independence.
can you do one of these about the wire, and it's various gangs and organizations like the docks and the police
There are a lot of parallels between Joffrey and the Roman Emperor Nero. Nero was also the son of the previous emperor Claudius' wife but NOT of Claudius; his mother Agrippina got Claudius to name her son as heir instead of his own and then poisoned him, just like how Cersei poisons Robert. Like Joffrey, Nero was still an adolescent when he ascended the throne. Shortly afterward he had Claudius' real son Britannicus assassinated as a potential rival, just like how Joffrey orders the murder of Robert's bastards. Nero and Joffrey are both vicious sadists. Like Agrippina, Cersei tries to rein in her son's crazier behaviors. The other restraining force on Nero was his former tutor, the philosopher Seneca, who has been criticized as a hypocrite for preaching Stoic austerity while becoming fabulously rich under Nero and meekly going along with the emperor's excesses. This is a lot like Joffrey's adviser, Grand Maester Pycelle, a seemingly wise scholar who's actually corrupt and pusillanimous.
Loved the video, but if I remember correctly, Henry VIII didn’t leave a full treasury for his son. Henry was a spendthrift and died with a lot of debt.
This channel is amazin!
How much of you liked the video before watching it completely out ?
House Martell and Dorne next?
I think the opening theme is the Song of Ice and Fire